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Fantastic work - thanks for the insights

Hey kannst du ein neues video machen zu Annihilators 😅

Finally somebody admitting that they predicted Kruleboyz wrong. Everyone who doesn‘t play them were super hyped about the changes, but are super silent about what happend to KBs. They are not good atm and are not fun to play. I won our AoS league last season with KBs and in 4th I won 1 out of 5 games so far. Every spell, every ability got nerfed or taken away (no one talks about the loss of the Kruleboyz Waaagh, which was essential to winning your game). I love my KB army and will play them from time to time, but luckily I got my ScE which look very solid atm. I also just finished the legendary dragon army, but haven‘t played a single game yet. PS: don‘t get my wrong some changes are cool and some warscrolls are really fun now (Killaboss on Vulcha, Killbow etc.).

Why are palladors all the hype? They are in each list shown?

"They're back; in pog form"😂

Thanks for including at least one non legends list.

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The core rules of 4th are good. List building and manifestations are complete disasters that need from-the-foundations reworks, which unfortunately is unlikely to be in the cards. They need to do some big band-aiding fast, though, because they are such big misses that they have the potential to sour people on the entire edition, which would be a disaster for the future of AOS.

Wait sorry did i hear summoning Endless Spells in your oppents turn?? How does that work if its only your hero phase?

Not sure if it's been mentioned but the first honorable mention had a shade of gold you were unsure about. It looks like rattle can retributor armor. It comes out almost as a matte and I personally disliked the look when I found out it was not the same shade as the paint pot version 😢

I'm not sold on Praetors personally. My gryphounds or prosecutors are usually dying so quickly that Envoy of the Heavens on a Vexilor is plenty. and if opponent ignores them, I'm setup for multiple battle tactics. if I wasnt taking the Vexilor though, I'd absolutely Stan the Praetors

Great video guys, enjoyable and insightful as always. More videos please 😊

so sad domitan's stormcoven is pure Legends I think they are A/S tier unit and theyre dope models :'[

I don’t know how to have an opinion about manifestations cos seraphon success is now tied to what happens to manifeststions. I was fine paying for gravetide and shackles in 3rd and now my summoning and MW are in the tank and they fill the gap. Especially since they don’t have sub-100 point units anymore.

1:56:15 Templar list 2:06:08 Double Cavalry list 2:14:01 Anti-Magic list 2:16:25 Sigmar's Fist list (+Mrigank mentions the gist of his current list which he didn't submit for the stream) Great discussion, watch the whole thing for sure (I did), just noting these mostly for easy reference for myself.

Because my friends used to talk about Warhammer at work 24/7, i used to mock them by chanting "WaRhAmMeR WaRhAmMer WaRhAmMeR WaRhAmMeR" So my list is annihilators, Bastion, and Liberators. Aka warhammers. Warhammers. Warhammers. Warhammers. Maybe someday Ill play competetive and have to buy real units, but its an expensive way to troll lol

Good talk, I would spend less time on discussing legend units in future talks.

I think making them have a Command Point cost for each Endless Spell would do it - you could tailor it to each Endless Spell via it's summoning spell, so Purple Sun could be 2, and then something like the Dais would be 1.

Hey congrats Paul !!! Much happiness to your family :)

Looks like Madame will be happy, I just found the motivation to do 2:28:10 of households tasks, amazing husband that I am 😊 Thanks guys. You make dishes and laundry almost barable :D

Kroxigor going from 4 wounds to 6 and dracoths going from 6 to 5 is a cruel twist of fate

2,5 hours?! Those are rookie numbers!

Chuffed this has been released! Thanks! Keep up the good work 👍

The max times per spell would be a good fix. Make the sun a real discussion, when are the player gonna bring it out...

Nerfing longstrikes over season rules would be so dumb. Obviously shooting unit doing 60% more damage is broken, so don't write it in the first place. If there's a longstrike problem there's about 6 other units breaking internal balance just as much. Maybe don't give vanguard speed, and the shooting, and the best cav unit, and the best chamber rule, and the best formation, and make everything else move at troll speed. Like two good units can then take vanguard at all, and they're also wizards which are the best thing in the game. I wonder why our list all look the same.

Longstrikes should not go down in points. You're forgetting retreat/run/charge/shoot. Teleports. Priority

Have been waiting for it for so long now, and you didn't dissapoint! Thank you as always, your insight into the game is always so valuable!

I think I’d keep the manifestation spam possible, but add increasing restrictions. Like, I LOVE that endless spells are finally usable and are getting good use. I want to see them have a real use for once! However, the current “free” spam is just too much. I’d posit that the manifestation stuff gets the “warp lightning cannon” treatment. You can get an amazing amount of value out of them, but the more you push for that value, the greater the risk to yourself! I’d suggest making the first endless spell cast per phase “free”, with no penalties. The second manifestation cast per phase is at a -1 and d3+x unmitigatable mortal wounds (X=the number of previous cast manifestations that phase). The third cast would be -2 and d3+x unmitigatable mortals, etc… This would allow endless spam at a price BUT also create a reason to not try casting a manifestation since it’s per “phase” and not bound to “friendly” casts, meaning on my turn, if I cast 2 manifestations, my opponent would get the natural -1 cast, then -2 cast because of prior manifestations AND take d3+x damage. Personally, I love the current system, it just needs a cost for the spam imo.

great show as always fellas!

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Are Dracothian Guard worth taking as a unit of 2? Or do you just have to reinforce them? Because I know Stormdrakes are pricy, but amy reinforced Dracothian Guard are even more expensive.

At 2:26:26 they say that lances on Stormdrakes are better. Why are they better? They have only 1 more rend on the charge, otherwise the damage is the same and in the second round of combat without charge they significantly fall off.

Great video.

Great video, thank you.

Stormkeep: Liberators must be cheaper than vanquishers to be good. GW: proceed to increase vanquishers' cost. Stormkeep: :O

Guys, we need a list building video. This is edition is wild right now.

Thank you for helping clarify some of the confusing parts

Guys palladors with javelin shoot on enemy when they charged, not when they got charged!:)

QQ where in the core rules can I find the rules that prevents followup fights which would prevent e.g. a Knight Questor or the Lord Terminos from popping the Quicksilver Draught and then point on Soulsworn or Reclusians from fighting immediately, and then fight with my first real unit (my turn)?

Great review thanks ! Two remarks : you view every "good" unit as somewhat overcosted, and the few "great/amazing" ones as perfectly costed ^^ I dont recall you guys ever being that biased, so I wonder if its not just that everything is slightly more expensive in the game, or maybe comparing to the legends stuff is what gives you this slightly pessimistic perspective. Also, "like" every third word makes for a very hard listening experience, and at times makes it even outright unpleasant 😢 maybe its because im not a native english speaker though and im not used to "real life" american english, but iv seen other people complain on that topic.

Hi. I really like your content. It's so helpful for playing SCE. Will there be new tier-list video soon? Imo it's very hard to build a good list for 4th edition. Thx and greeting from Germany

I would like to see a lore video--give it a shot!

Thanks for the video, Paul!

What if vigilors had shoot in combat, at a minimum? 🤔

I'm gonna comment on this repeated use of "If you're using legends" throughout. No one 'isnt' going to be using the legends stuff, it's official rules and theres nothing in the book preventing their use as well as there being nothing that says they need a special case to include them in all forms of play. If you 'arent using legends' you're willfully ignoring like a solid 40% of our official ruleset for no reason. People will stop using them when their rules go away next summer. tl;dr people have no choice when it comes to their use until next summer. Theres a lot of powerful combos there that if you ignore, you lose, and if you choose not to play against someone using them, well, you lose again.

When u make the tier pls do it with the non legends unit. Thanks and good video :)

Seraphon!! I beg you 😂

2:33 : "Honor Guard" ? what is this ?

1:08:20 : what is that "classic 12 inch drop, hope to get a double and then move up" ?

32 :34 : what is that trick about redeploy ?