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It's a terrific Finale. Sets up a brilliant S2. What's great about The Buffyverse is seeing old characters introduced back into it which always adds to brilliant plotlines. Love it when Angel says to one handed Lindsey when he tries to burn the scroll 'don't always believe everything that's foretold''. Wesley comes to the rescue with his brilliance in translation, but messes up with Angel's prophecy saying he is going to live! The revelation of Darla being brought back sets up some great episodes for S2. The last five episodes of Angel S1 were superb. Still cannot understand some BTVS fans refusing to watch Angel. The best episodes of this show are more than a match for BTVS, and in many cases surpassed it.

Wolfram and Hart are the biggest bad of the season, but this is not Buffy where they big bad is defeated before the end of the season, they will continue to be antagonists even if they are not in every episode. The Oracles are not the PTBs they have some powers themselves but they are not the ones who send the visions. Darla was Angelus' lover for some time, Yes, he killed her when she was a threat to Buffy, but I think she can still have an influence on him.

Props!!!!

Kate was mostly a good character because it's so useful for private investigators to have a friend on the police force. And sure, it was unavoidable to flirt around with the idea of them becoming more than just that, but we can't have that for Angel now can we? But how far can they go down the "enemies" route? Just another tease by the writers.

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RIP Lindsay's hand. Welcome back Darla! (Same actress who's always played her just with dirtied hair and sweating profusely, due to the magic performed is my guess).

The actress that plays Darla (Julie Benz) is the same one who plays her since Season 1 episode 1 of Buffy. 🥰

We're not good at conceptualising the apocalypse and far-off tragedies. If we were, the world would have transitioned to green energy decades ago, the Cold War would have ended a lot sooner and we would have decommissioned all our nukes. And, frankly, capitalism wouldn't exist. It's part of a defence mechanism. We can't care equally about everyone who exists, has existed or ever will exist. We just can't. We'd never get anything done. We have to be selective in who we show empathy to or we couldn't function. Three children is small scale and personal enough that Lindsey can conceptualise it, especially since he implies in his backstory rant to Angel that he lost two siblings at a young age ("six kids in a room, come flu season it was down to four.") He knows that's bad. The apocalypse? It's too big for him to connect that to tragedies he can identify with. Too difficult to imagine and relate to.

Good episode for a season finale

Why'd you cut all the best parts?! 😢

Almost at the end😊

12:38 He did compare the mnd-readers to drug tests which also use a group of people at a time, not the whole company all the time (or so I am led to believe).

I was glad to finally see some fleshing out of what goes on behind the scenes at W&H. I'm guessing people don't get a job there unless they are committed to evil. So a conversion to the good side just isn't likely.

Lindsey gets a new office with more power, money, and influence. The kids were a step too far, that crossed a line for him - but maybe he can make a difference on the inside. He really is mostly about power, but even evil people can have qualms about killing innocents. The assassin gave up her sight in order to gain a different form of sight - a sacrifice made to gain a power. She may have had a good reason, or she could just have been a psychopath...

WolfRam & Hart have necro-tempered glass. That's why vamps are ok in there even with giant windows. Also yes they are rich and their offices don't look opulent. They spend money on....other things.

I love that Lindsay doesn't stay fighting for the good guys. The message is Angel true opponent in the series is the fact that the world isn't as black and white as heros wish it were. Angel knows this. Buffy being a college age kid hasn't really had to deal with that aspect in its entirety yet. Another difference between the two overall themes/differences of the shows.

Holland spared Lindsey because he could sense that Lindsey hadn't made his mind up, and knew how to manipulate him. He had decided to turn against the firm but he wasn't so set on it that he couldn't be swayed back. Holland offered him power, respect and money, reaffirmed his capacity for choice, flattered his ego and generally didn't put a foot wrong. Angel, on the other hand, botched this. Siding with Angel meant giving up all his wealth, power and comforts to work for someone who openly didn't even care if he lived or died. He did a lousy job of making defecting appealing, and money can make people act against their morals and self-interest.

Blind Date was a great episode setting up a brilliant finale in S1. This show really came into its own in late S1 with some stunning episodes. Lindsay going back to Wolfram & Hart, is a twist at the end. Angel is just so cool in the episode the way he kills Vanessa Brewer is brilliantly done. Holland Manners is so detestable a character. Wesley know what's in the prophecy which keeps us on tenterhooks for the finale, it doesn't disappoint. On re-watches we realise what a great show this was.

“What is this Finale!” I’d categorise the episode 20 and 21 two-parter as this season’s finale, and this episode as an epilogue. It’s definitely a more experimental structure than the first 3 seasons had.

You're very perceptive Brooke I like that

Gunn❤

I think Warzone is a pivotal episode as we are introduced to Gunn. We see Gunn as the ultimate streetfighter, even prepared to kill his own sister after she has been turned. Interesting that Angel calls himself Angelus in this episode making him even more badass. A really good stand alone episode with the introduction of Charles the highlight.

Economically, you're right. The rich get richer, and there are fewer jobs paying enough to afford a home and a family on one income. The wealth has flowed upwards for decades. It started with Reagan starting the "trickle down" bullcrap of dropping taxes on the rich and corporations, and got worse with NAFTA and other free trade agreements causing most manufacturing jobs to go overseas. The middle class share of total wealth has been going down pretty steadily for several decades.

One of the best episodes ever. It ends perfectly the four first seasons. Now we are in the adult age and darker things. But this is foreshadowing too about next seasons

The introduction to Gunn is always great for reactions. The casualness with which Angel steps aside as the guy drops from the ceiling to attack is so perfect; in-universe and stunt-wise.

In Buffy rhere was no Fairh redemption, she beat up a load of poople, pretty much raped both Buffy and Riley, fought Bufft and ran off. True, she was beating het own body when he was fighting Buffy and it was largely self-loathing, but it was not really redemption. Tara is lovely, and hw is obviously the relationship Willow needs in her life right now. Earlier, Oz filled the need she had, but she has different needs now and Oz cannot fill that need. There is something we don't know, but we know she and Wilow love each other and for now, that's enough.

The part where Noah says what is important is what she wants, not what he, Lon or her family wants. Thay was improvised by Ryan Gosling and they left it in. By the way, she was bored and never wanted to end up like her mother which is why she had told Lon no many times. In the book Noah answers the door when her mom comes and she talks to both of them together and privately. Allie tells Noah and her mom she loves Lon but is in love with Noah. Noah asks her if it is fair to Lon if she marries him when she is in love with Noah. Her mom offers to tell Lon for her. The minute she see Lon she knows he isn't the one, but he gives her a bad time.

He was honest with Martha, he told her he couldn't give her, his heart, because it was broken. In the book it is 16 years between the year they met and when she comes back. He doesn't write everyday, a couple of times a month, but her family has moved. When she leaves after the summer he ends up in NJ working a metal salvage business and helps the elderly man build up the business and then he war comes. When he gets home the elderly man has left him $70,000. He does not see her in Charleston. When they come back in the rain he gets them clothes and then waits for her to lead the way on whether or not she wants to have sex. They are 29 and 31 when she comes back. They did have sex that first summer and the only person she tells is her friend, who tells her the reason he isn't writing is he got what he wanted. When she is upset she writes him, but never mails them and doesn't know he has written to her.

Ryan and Rachel didn't like each other when they were filming. They did date a couple of years later. Ryan wanted her replaced. She is 17 and leaving and he knows he would not be happy in NY especially when her parents would be in charge. He knows where he belongs. She is a brat.

This town is in the country and everything closes and most are farmers or fishermen and they got to bed early. A car every 20 to 30 minutes is not much of a danger. She doesn't have that learning in the summer. The director picked Ryan Gosling because he didn't think he was handsome, so if she chose him it would be for love. Lon in the book is handsome, but 8 years older than Allie and a work-a-holic.

The Ferris Wheel isn't in the book, it starts in 1932 and Allie is 15 and Noah is 17. The love story for the younger ones is better in the book and more like that time. I hate when people try to put this story in the 2000. However, one reactor asked her husband or boyfriend if he would write everyday for a year and he says, "yes, I have written something to you everyday that I have know you on email, facebook, twitter, but Noah didn't even have a telephone.

Get tissues because you will cry. Sarah told her his name when they were walking to the Ferris Wheel. If she was worried about him falling why pull down his pants to make it harder for him to get down.

I haven't seen Steven Universe, but it's something I know I need to watch at some point. But don't sleep on Arcane. It. Is. Phenomenal.

20 years later and i still don't know what the cheese men is about lol.

"That's his gaming set-up...he plays Fortnite" Actually this was early 2000, so he was probably playing The Sims. 🙂

I can sort of understand not including Graham or Angleman in the rankings (I'm not sure Brooke even knows who they are) but no Parker? No Joyce? No Olivia or Harmony or Veruca? All of them were in multiple episodes this season.

Clearly they are setting up the Cheese Guy as the big bad for season 5.

glad to see my babygirl so high on the tier list!! (spike)

I think Giles showing up with a chain saw was awesome... He also helped with the spell to defeat Adam. :)

Forrest clearly was jealous...

I liked the Mayor a lot in season 3, but Dream Mayor is kinda lame...

Excited that you are finally on my favourite season ❤ Season 4 is a weird one, its super funny, high highs and low lows. Might have some of the best one ofs in the series, but the over arc is super lacking. But its nice to have a somewhat chill and fun season

You need to rewatch this after season 5, there are so many little season 5 and beyond Easter eggs in this episode.

I used to dislike this episode, but after watching the entire series and rewatching this episode multiple times, I've discovered incredible details and still am, 24 years later. It's something you won't fully grasp until after Season 6. While many people believe the foreshadowing mainly pertains to Season 5, there are actually significant elements related to Season 6 as well. I recommend rewatching the episode a few times and taking notes on interesting quotes or confusing moments. After each new episode of Buffy, review your notes to see if anything becomes clearer. This isn't mandatory, just a suggestion I wish I had followed back then. 😂

The reveal of the First Slayer is one of my favorite moments in the series. It reaches all the way back to "The Harvest" when Giles tells Willow and Xander "As long as there have been vampires there has been The Slayer"...and now it points the way forward.

I know nothing about 'Death of a Salesman' but I don't think it features a cowboy. Wiillow is painting Greek on Tara's back. I'm told it's actually lines from the poet Sappho, who was a woman who loved women and lived on the island 'Lesbos' Hence 'lesbian'. Eating cheese before going to bed is supposed to give you nightmares (it's never had that effect on me). We know Buffy likes cheese, Willow told Riley that.

We could tell you so many things, and none of them would make any sense, so nener nener :P Just gonna have to wait and see if any of this makes any sense about anything. Dreams are weird that way. Weird, I want some cheese...

A lot of foreshadowing, and some cheese guy who I think represents the parts of some dreams that just make no sense at all. :) One thing I noticed that actually seemed to be a callback to an earlier episode: when Joyce is looking out through the hole in the wall, that hole is basically the same size and ragged shape as a hole in a door (I think) that she was looking out through in School Hard, when Buffy was fighting Spike in the school on parent-teacher night!

The Greek writing Willow was doing on Tara's back was something by Sappho, the ancient Greek poet from the isle of Lesbos. She did lesbian love poetry I think...

Restless is one of my favorite episodes, but it takes a few rewatches to appreciate. You also want to rewatch it after you progress further into the series. You will appreciate it. Give it time.