Faith Learns to Say I'm Sorry! // Angel 1x19 Reaction // I love this arc!
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ð Brace yourselves, Buffy fans! Join me on an exciting adventure as I dive headfirst into the supernatural world of Los Angeles with the iconic spinoff series, Angel! ð Whether you're a seasoned viewer or a fellow newbie, this video promises to capture the essence of my initial reactions, surprises, and emotions as I experience Angel for the very first time. Join me as I react to season 1 episode 19! Angel works to help Faith atone for her past actions but a surprise guest is not excited for the change.
To add to the Council being incompetent, this episode pretty much states that the Council has literally infinite money ("all those alchemists on the board of directors and they still make us fly coach.") ...They could've just bought Faith her own house and paid all her living expenses to keep her in line - do what we say or the money hose gets turned off. She was homeless and living out of a motel, and that is pretty much what the Mayor did when she switched sides. It probably would've worked.
I understand Buffy's anger but calling Angel a murderer like faith was such a low blow
I think Buffy wanted to kill Faith and I don't blame her considering she basically raped both Buffy and Riley not to mention abducting Buffy's mom. I can understand why she didn't think Faith was worthy of forgiveness or a chance at redemption.
Angel was right, for me
SLIGHT SPOILER FOR THE NEXT BUFFY EPISODE
Buffy nearly ruins Faith's progression by showing up in LA. If she wanted to put Faith in jail, or even give her back to the watchers, she missed her chance in Sunnydale. She also told Angel they should stay away from each other the last time they saw each other in _I Will Remember You,_ so saying she thought he was in danger was a bad excuse. All she wanted was vengeance (saying she has a right to it). Trying to carry it out counter-commands telling off Anya for vengeance. None of this takes into account Buffy hitting Angel and then trying to play victim to his retaliation. Good thing he knew a vampire against a slayer were equal footing. Buffy's victim attitude was her purposely forgetting that so she could try to get an upper hand in an argument she never had aka allows schoolyard "you did it to me first" rules to apply. Angel counterbalances everything Buffy tries to say to him in this episode. She waited until Faith was out of Sunnydale, didn't call Angel to see if he was OK, and stated specifically that vengeance is what she wanted. When she realized she had nothing to argue back in the last scene, she threw Riley in Angel's face and said "Faith wins again" like a petulant child in order to hurt him. Buffy should have been in Sunnydale worrying more about whether Willow is OK or not after the Oz and Tara debacle, not attempting vengeance. Luckily by the next episode, even Buffy agreed she shouldn't have gone down there when Angel came up there to apologize for doing nothing wrong. And even in this episode Buffy agrees with Wesley that she was getting that it wasn't a good idea to be in LA. One of the things I like about Buffy is that she learns from her mistakes, but in this episode she annoys me. Buffy has every right to be upset at what Faith did, but she goes against a lot of what she's told people off for and has nothing to say against Angel's arguments, and even admits she's in the wrong for being there. She could have handled this differently and she realizes it, in the next BtVS episode.
When did she tell Anya off for vengence?
@@adamdavis1648 Anytime she goes against Anya and her vengeancing in any way (verbal or physical) she is being hypocritical and being hypocritical because she was willing to be in LA for vengeance against Faith. That is the point. Sorry. I thought that was clear. Didn't mean to confuse you.
100% team buffy here. angel is outrageous. what happened to his big plan to save innocent people? how was getting himself killed by kate to save faith going to contribute to that? not to mention, there is zero reason to believe faith here. everything she says and does here, she's said and done before. getting lucky does not make angel any more justified.
For Angel, he knows Faith isn't innocent, but she is unfinished business, and he is about saving souls, not just innocents. "We can't just arbitrarily decide whose soul is worth saving." He took a risk with Kate, calling her bluff - whether it really was a bluff or whether Kate would have gone through with letting Angel burn is a different question, but he was banking on her sense of morality. And Angel has been willing to face the sun before.
Angel may know Faith better than anyone, even Faith herself. He thought it was worth the risk. He had hope for her when she had no hope left. And if he could succeed, Faith could redeem herself; bringing a fallen Slayer who is skilled and tested out of the darkness back into the light could have a long term impact in the battle between good and evil.
Yeah, I'm on Angel's side here. The risks are higher. But the rewards could be as well - and deciding someone is a lost cause isn't something Angel is willing to do. His actions are in character.
Buffy: "Faith wins again."
No. Faith has finally faced up to what she's done, and has begun the road to redemption. That's not winning, that is accepting consequences. If she hadn't turned that corner, she would have just run away again.
Buffy, just go home, you have to get over what has been done to you and start rebuilding your life. Killing Faith wouldn't have been good for your own soul.
But I do get the counter position. It isn't cut and dried, it is complicated and messy and there's very little certainty.
I just think back to Angel's moment of despair in Amends. "Am I a thing worth saving? Am I a righteous man?" Buffy telling him something like if he dies now then all he ever was is a monster. She knows how much evil he did without a soul - and she knows he COULD lose his soul again and become the monster again. And as Angelus, he could do much worse than Faith has done. But she has no such compassion for Faith, because while Angelus has done worse - every life he took after she didn't kill him at the mall is something she has to live with - she doesn't love Faith, she hates her.
Her judgment is personal and has nothing to do with what Faith might do, it has everything to do with what Faith has done to her. She should remember that even after all she did, Faith, in Buffy's body, DID come back to save the people in that church, when she could have flown away. That showed there is still a part of Faith that wants to do the right thing. But Buffy is in no state of mind to cut Faith any slack, because her life has been violated and she was made to be the victim. The whole situation is a mess.
That's the Whedonverse for you, brilliant and twisted and heartbreaking.
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that's a lot of great analysis, but you are presenting something of a false dilemma -- declining to die for faith does not mean giving up on her. note that the situation resolves with *faith* deciding buffy was right and that faith needs to go to jail.
@@sirmoonslosthismind yes - but it wasn't how Buffy treated her that got her to the point where she could make that decision. It was how Angel treated her that got her to that point. Faith tried "suicide by Angel" but Angel wouldn't do it. And if Angel HAD killed her in self defense, Buffy may not have been happy about it but she would probably have been satisfied that Faith had paid for what she did.
Buffy wanted Faith punished. Angel wanted Faith saved.
But I agree, being willing to die rather than give up Faith was a bit much. On the other hand, what could Angel have said that would have convinced Kate? "Sorry, she left, I don't know where she went, maybe you should ask Wolfram & Hart since apparently they hired her to kill me" - would that work? Or is Kate going to think he knows more than he's saying, and haul him in anyways?
I don't know, it is complicated given Kate's mental condition at this point. She's off the rails just a bit. I don't think Angel expected her to basically use what she knew to threaten to put him in a position to just burst into flame, I mean how is she going to explain that?
This show, man...