Destiny Talks About Vaush (Manifesto, Vaush Tactics)
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Vaush: Fortress Arc
Destiny: Siege Arc
edit: but sieging Vowsh with his own weapons
Destiny can’t dig low enough to do an effective siege, he is too pure to stoop to Vaush’s lows.
mr gorbacehv, open up this fortress
Only the creator of Irishladdie can destroy him
A siege that will completely be ignored and forgotten.
and failing miserably.. why is this twat so obsessed with vaush?
when destiny was saying if you have a good enough "echo chamber" he missed an opportunity to say a good enough "fortress"
Destiny: *sees both of Noah Samson's anti-Vaush videos*
*sees him fail epically*
Destiny now: Fine. I'll do it myself.
fails also
@@blackspine343 Not really but you can dream little buddy.
@@blackspine343 ok buddy
I’ve been a Vaush & Destiny fan for a while, but the biggest difference is that Destiny will state Vaush’s positions incredibly accurately, while Vaush will blatantly misrepresent Destiny to an absurd degree. it’s really hard to witness that kind of bad faith and take anything else Vaush says seriously, and it’s only been getting worse.
i went from hasan to vaush to destiny
hasan was really weird about ukraine and lacks logic but entertaining
vaush just lies or exaggerates. it's like a sport or grift to him but more logical than hasan
destiny is very logical but too incel gamer edgelord debatelord
i just watch all three lil bit and now I'm an incel liar who lacks logic
Agreed. I used to like both fairly equally but now I see him for what he is.
@@abortedButGoated I don't think incel means what you think it means
Yeah even if you dont agree with destiny, he is able to digest other people's positions accurately when not in angry rant mode.
@@swingingfordearlife what do u think i think it means
This will be a manifesto for the ages!
Vaush will just excuse not reading the manifesto with claiming reading it would get him banned from twitch
Will it tho ? this is a genuine question.
The gamestop manifesto and the nword manifesto didnt do anything so why would this ?
@@Z50nemesis
Bro the n Word manifest is legendary. The gme one less because nobody really cared and it wasn't enough drama
@@kloakheesten sure it was fun...
why did it actually do anything?
@@Z50nemesis it went viral and the people involved got slammed. It’s basically just what happens with content cops.
We can't have Destiny rush this project. I want this to be amazing.
you can't rush art my friend.
It needs to be perfect. I think pointing out the heavy aesthetic similarities between destiny and vaush, and how destiny has done them better and for longer than vaush, will help with converting vaushites. At the very least it worked with me.
@@venmis137 would they even watch it though?
@@trax72 nope but I’m down to keep letting Destiny waste is time and energy 😂 the mans got a kid and he’s spending crazy time writing a hit piece cause someone was mean to him, pure derangement 😂
@@trax72 vuash will go over it like he does all the other ones. Lmao.
It's funny how Destiny literally created all these people and situations. Everyone says he's been generous with his clout, but he's actually playing the 200 IQ long game with his own career.
Vaush and Hasan are both his children. Destiny should apologize for that alone.
200 IQ moves to introduce these shit heads to the world and make everyone dumber for having listened to it? Why the world should have to suffer for Destiny to have a career? He made the world a worse place than before, denied for years that cancelling of right wingers happened until it happened to him, with the same method; people false flagging and saying he's right wing/racist/buzzword. He is not so smart you think he is, he's still on board with like 90% of lefty politics and most of it is insanity.
After months of watching multiple Vaush videos a day, I still thought this "Destiny" character was a girl. He absolutely never shows first-hand Destiny to his audience - probably because he knows he's a parody of Destiny himself, and they'll just leave like I did when they find that out. Probably also why he sounds exasperated & parodies his perspectives - so you feel like this Destiny girl is intolerable and not worth looking into.
I can't blame you it is a girls name after all PEPE
Is this, like, ironic misogyny?
Did you miss the 3 hour debate he had with him some months ago?
@@littlegravitas9898 Isn't everything?
@@sataniccabal4276 Ye, I stopped watching Vowsh entirely. Realized that the little value there is in some of what he says isn't worth everything else about him.
Generally, imo, when you have two conclusions to come to about a person or what they're saying and those two options are: They're dishonest or they're dumb, then It's generally the former. I don't think people realize just how common it is for people to know they're wrong, but to not want their opinions that they're married too crushed...
I think it’s better to assume ignorance than malice, but people definitely can take advantage of it.
... why not both?
The saying roughly goes “never attribute to malice that which can be explained by ignorance”.
Imo the absurd stuff he says is just a product of his insane ego and self-importance. He probably believes something just because he said it. I’ve met a few people like that before and they can convince themselves of anything by stretching the truth a little each time they consider something. Their version of reality drifts further and further from the truth because they keep assuming their own most recent conception/analysis of something was flawless (since it came from them)
With Vaush this is true, but I think most people are just really dumb when they do this lmao
@@eeyun5279 I was always aware of this saying but it wasn't until recently that I really started to believe it. I used to think that most people in the politics space were opportunists who were knowingly embracing lies. I thought it was especially true of right wing, Fox News viewers.
But the last 3 years has made it all-too-clear that left wingers are just as bad... maybe even worse, at this point. However, I started to realize that all these people are basically just too stupid and lazy to form their own opinions. They have also been so hooked in to their cable news narrative that they truly feel like they are obligated to help defeat the other party and it makes them super vulnerable to clouded judgment and denial.
I think between the 2020 election and the Rittenhouse case, there is ample evidence that partisan politics is on par with being a brainwashed cult member. And I don't mean that as insult. I just think that as a species, we are way dumber than I originally thought. At this point, I am of the opinion that we are just sophisticated apes that have become a little too civilized and evolved.
Or as I once famously said, "We became too self aware. We are beings that labor under the illusion that we are all somebody".
I always find it baffling how Vaush gets away with just being a Destiny clone, just a lot more watered down and palatable enough for most lefty spaces (but heck, who knows now a days till when he gets "exiled" from the left with the recent flack he's gotten from popular internet lefties as of late)
Like, Vaushs' strat after gaining a decently size community was to backstab Destiny and board on the "shit on Destiny" train to look "morally superior" since Destiny is the forever "bad guy" for the left. But now with Destiny gone, internet lefties looking towards taking down Vaush since they feel they can handle him better. And funnily enough, since Vaush doesn't have the "shit on Destiny" card to fall back on when he's getting the lefty shit flinging his way, he just has to put up with it.
Also what's fucking funny/frustrating is hearing Vaush complain the more radical spaces of the internet left give him undeserved shit flinging his way just for "keeping it real" and calling out the BS of the left but to then turn around and continue on to say "DESTINY IS AN UNHINGED DANGEROUS MASK OFF RIGHTY WHO NEEDS TO BE STOPPED" is fucking mind boggling. Either Vaush is purposely being a hack or just legit lacks self awareness and is actually this stupid lol
To be fair , destiny backstabbed him first.
Literally did the same thing vaush is doing now lol.
Just look for his convo with xanderhal about burning bridges
@@Z50nemesis hol up, is that so? Mind telling me names/titles of videos that demonstrate this? Don't wanna sound hostile, genuinely just wanna make sure I got facts of the matter straight.
@@shman5000o th-cam.com/video/ULyTIl9CjXE/w-d-xo.html
This is one , there one other instance where he says he won't debate him anymore (this was before the departnering) and his argument was that vaush was trying to bait him into debates
@@Z50nemesis appreciate the link chief. Gonna go through this later today then 👍
Flak
Every time I hear the word ‘manifesto’ my brain automatically thinks of the UNAbomber lol
I think of the communist manifesto.
Christ Church shooter. Probably because i read it.
@@SporkyMcFly my condolences
Saint Elliots masterpiece
@Potential_Zealot yeah especially about the left
i love how vaush saying "everything that destiny does is performative and that is absolutely true just to make himself look smarter then others" wtf bro you literally take the word make 3 sentence out of it with very unusual words just to describe "bread" at the end xD
A peculiar deontologically-auspicious wheaty sustainance.
I'm new to the US debate bro communities, and Vaush was the first one of you that I came across that impressed me. I saw a few of his videos and initially thought that he was a bit arrogant and annoying, but youtube pushed more vids my way and I saw a few conversations/debates of V where I thought "Hey, this guy really has something", and became a fan. The history filtered through a little bit and I became aware that he came out of your community and heard him saying that you were good once, but had gone off the rails and were basically insane now. I didn't take that as read (I'd never seen any of your discussions) but didn't really care, and just thought "OK, this Destiny guy's probably a bit dodgy". But after a while, I decided to watch a one-on-one discussion between you two on Vaush's channel - from late last year, I think : a 3 hour one that he labels as "3 hours of pain and " or something along those lines. I was expecting to agree with Vaush mainly, but was quite surprised to find you (Destiny) sounding more convincing, making better arguments, and coming across as the better debater. One thing that struck me was that he was trying to dismiss hypotheticals that you brought up and say that you were trying to bring up crazy ideas to justify your insane points, where I'd just before watched his dabate with NonCompete, where the argument was all about dismissing NC as an idiot for not being willing or able to engage with his (Vaush's) hypotheticals. I was happy to laugh at NC's attempted arguments to dismiss the value of hypotheticals (and his freaking and ducking out at the "Jews did have disproportionate influence..." comment). But I honestly couldn't see how V's dismissal of D's hypotheticals seemed that different in this new discussion. I went away a little disillusioned. I started watching Destiny debates and discussions on yt and was really impressed. I'm not really a centrist and, by inclination, am much more aligned with Vaush's political viewpoint. But, just for the strength of the conversation, as well as the humour and personality, I found that I much preferred watching Destiny material than Vaush output. And then with the fallout from the JK Rowling stuff and the "Fortress arc", I started to find Vaush insufferably egotistical and arrogant again (without a Destiny-level sense of humour and at least partial self-deprecation to alleviate it) and very hard to watch anymore. I noticed too, that some of his takedowns of other people's videos are terrible (though I often DO feel quite negatively about the person whose vids are being slammed), where V plays a few lines of the person starting to make some point, and then pauses, has a good laugh and then goes into a long monologue about what this idiot is going to say next. He doesn't after that play very much of the continuation from the actual video. He's just so optics oriented, and so worried about not always being seen to have the best take on something - even when it's a bit of a snap-judgement. I can understand how hard it must be as a big content-creator - and a smart one - to occasionally come across as having been a bit hasty and silly, and to want to avoid that. Everybody's only human. But Vaush takes this WAY too far IMO, having watche more and more of him on youtube. So, I'm a Destiny-simp now. Until my new debate-bro hero makes an inexcusable faux-pas and then embarrasses himself while trying to minimise it. Then I'll just jump ship and try to find excuses for my misplaced allegiance. I'm only human too :-)
You seem to have pretty good critical thinking skills, welcome to Destiny :D
Using this much enerygy to type this isn't worth it. Trust me.
@@maxpowers4436 why?
Have you tried MrGirl? He is the new 99.1% pure blue meth in town
I’m kinda similar I like destiny a lot more now that I’ve found him but I’m terrified of his community I got downvoted on his subreddit for saying the great replacement isn’t real because immigrants are not intentionally replacing white people and the white population going down isn’t a negative nor a positive. And then this one guy responded saying he had evidence it is real and intentional and it’s a negative he got 7 upvotes, which isn’t a lot but I was still surprised considering destiny’s sub is usually more progressive.
We definitely have to not put ourselves in bubbles and not let someone telling you.someone is bad just take their word for it.
I’m a Vaush fan, but I agree with destiny here. Vaush always paraphrases what destiny says to the most extreme point while destiny watches vaush’s video and pauses to make a critique.
Be careful about articulating that opinion anywhere Vaush's mods lurk about...
What Destiny is talking about (Vaush's terrible dishonest paraphrasing and straw manning) Is very common with regular people. It could be as simple as a friend purposely making a bad retelling of a movie and its scenes to make their friend who hasn't watched it think It's bad and to ward them from watching it. Not to mention omitting things that make the movie sound good. Weirdly enough, people do this a lot in the video game critique community. People will just straight up lie and misrepresent video games they don't like in their videos about them to make them sound shit. Happens all the time with Bethesda games. Man do people hate those games so much...
Based and truthpilled, there’s just some level of fun I think in whipping themselves into a frenzy. Righteous indignation can almost be like a drug for people who don’t have as much agency as they might like.
I watch bellular videos on world of Warcraft and the vitriol from people who haven’t even played the game in years always surprises me. I’d always question why they waste their time following and obsessing on something they allegedly despise, but then I realized the anger and superiority is the fun part. Lots of Reddit is all about this mentality, along with the anti-sjw crowd. The quartering has videos with like 500k views where he just complains about tweets from people with 100 followers lol.
I mean Fallout 4 was mediocre and bad in a lot of places, 76 was a shit show at launch and it's just Fallout 4 but ✨ online ✨, and then Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim were fun for the most part (minus the jank).
Not much to it.
@@alecstewart2612 fallout 4 introduced some great game mechanics, but at the expense of already established good ones, unnecessarily. I think if they changed a few things and expanded on a few others, it could have been another fan darling like New Vegas. That fundamentally at it's core, it has the making of an amazing game, and I think that's where the majority of disappointment comes from.
To tie it back to the point made by the op, a lot of the criticism and fan backlash was like this for fallout 4. A lot of it was fair, but a lot of it was just minor nitpicks blown out into space.
@@zaatas I remember I played for four days straight on launch, defending my 12th outpost when I realized wait... The story is shit and I am just doing time wasting busy work. God this game sucks.
So weird the example chosen is Bethesda games, games that have declined in quality.
Based Vaush take, Soy bethesda take
I’m Centre right leaning and I can confirm that what destiny said is true.
Bro August knows what is up. I don't have time to follow all the streams like some so the fact that he can "make the video for me" is a life saver. Love the vids.
This isn't August this is a fan channel
@@doctor_who5203 And he didnt say that
this manifesto is going to be insane
I hate how Vouche is one of those people that "uses big words" solely in an effort to *sound* smart.
It's a pretty common model for alternative media pundits. They first tell you what to believe and they make sure you know what you should take away from whatever they are talking about before they show it. They really want to implant their ideas into the viewer before they show them the original event or any opposition view.
TYT, Kyle, Crowder, Shapiro all do this heavily. It's not just them though, even normal channels like Dpak does it a lot where they first "break down the issue."
I think it's just a common method of conveying a message that makes the audience more amenable to your pov, people will naturally try to search for their take in whatever is shown to them. So either they'll see it and think "Oh yeah! His analysis is right, that's exactly what's going on here!" Or it'll be "I don't really see it, I don't think I can draw that conclusion."
The format evokes very strong agreement, encourages the audience to think like you, while also dulling dissent. It's a very powerful tool to build arguments with, especially in a prepared video format that you can't put too much effort into writing a script.
Alternative media do this yes, but also main stream media unfortunately! Media is almost always one way communication (similar to propaganda) but back in the days people could actually write comments to articles online, maybe to correct or share a dissenting view, but nowadays everything is behind a paywall with comments locked, so they don't have to care about people's opinions or being truthful, they got their subscribers paying to write what they want to hear, regardless if it's true or not.
Just like TYT manufacture racism in every single video they make, the mainstream does the same with sexism, racism and the other buzzwords. The problem is sadly a lot bigger than just alternative media. The alternative media just copies what the MSM is doing, not the other way around.
Like you mentioned, people don't generally search for truth, they search to confirm what they already believed. When you know this, you know how to divide and conquer.
I can't wait to hear vaush vaguely reference the manifesto and then try to move on with a stagnant sub count!!!
Im dying for this manifesto.....the video of course, I work for a living.
Feels like a conspiricy theorist's ramblings, but somehow I want to see the end result still
I’m nicknaming the manifesto, “The Story of Vaushidon”
Let's see how strong is Vaush's fortress.
Honestly if he can capture the projection thing that will do a lot of heavy lifting.
But destiny really did laugh and belittle a woman’s experience of r*** on stream. It wasn’t clipped, it really was unforgiveablw
If you go around having sex casually and you can't assert your boundaries, you should stop having casual sex.
@Could'veBeenBetterProductions yes, that’s what destiny said, and the girl he was talking to explained she did exactly that (told him to stop) and the guy just r*** her even more. That’s what he laughed at.
3:45 Sounds like the definition of a Simulacra.
A reference to an original that never existed.
"It's this huge loop of like he says a thing everybody thinks I said that and then he'll refer back to things that I've said but he's never actually referring back to the things I've said what he's referring back to are the things that he said I've said and that's what people think I've said" - 10/10
Im not in a media bubble, im in a time bubble. Glad i get this stuff in my feeeed tho.
Anyone who watches Hasan unironically is never worth arguing with. Just let them lose their mind. I dont have any friends that arent either watching Hasan or Fuentes. These people are going to destroy discourse.
Its online nobody IRL cares.
fuentes is unironically a better faith debator/actor than Hasan.
Hasan's takes, especially on foreign policy, are reasonable. Just like all streamers he says stupid shit because he talks all day and has to form opinions immediately upon hearing something.
But many of his takes, especially on geopolitics are reasonable and grounded in facts. It's just funny seeing people like you talk about Hasan like he's saying INSANE and OUTLANDISH shit, when most of it's just "yeah, war is bad and powerful countries will use their power for their own gain".
@@skylarkesselring6075 Riiiiiiiiiight.
@@skylarkesselring6075 So what you're saying is when he's not giving shit takes, he likes to regurgitate milquetoast platitudes like "war bad" and "rich people/countries bad" that you'd hear from middle schoolers on social media? Does that really sound like someone who deserves respect or admiration?
Yea I'm a centrist and you couldn't force me to watch vaush save analyzing his nasty behavior
Vaush is such a shameless clout goblin. He's extremely sexist and racist, yet gets a pass because it's "ironic" and because he does "charity streams" - charity streams which are just ways for him to try and gain the attention of bigger content creators, who really don't gaf about him
What does he do that's racist?
@@-47- stereotyping and typecasting non white people
Maybe if you guys stop being such psuedo intellectual with your mob mentality and call everything you don't like "sexist" or "racist" someone would care. But you have literally called everyone sexist or racist the past 5 years so the words barely has any meaning left.
Try to do what Destiny attempts here, try to make coherent arguments why he's wrong instead of throwing these meaningless buzzwords around.
@@Moldylocks rofl. I'm not writing an essay in a TH-cam comment section. Also what mob? Did you forget to take your meds grandpa :( ?
@Noel Smith yeah exactly
Why do I feel this manifesto will be slower to put together than a YMS video
Lion King lmfao
when n where this cominng out?
Never understood this drama, it just seems like a petty rivalry against two similar political streamers. Kinda cringe, but I respect the hustle.
Did you even watch the video?
@@mikeyg9958 yeah, did you?
@@joeym8915 Yes. Your post reminds me of the typical “both sides are equally bad” when that’s clearly not the case if you’d been following along.
i remember Vaush hearing about Destiny calling Demonmama and others the "down syndrome avengers" and then a bit later when the "Vaush is unironically evil" video came out he said "look it's the toddler avenger team" in regards to Sargon, AJW, etc in the comments
I definitely went from watching Hassan, to Vaush, and then finally Destiny. I understand how you can fall for the bullshit, but I don't understand how you can't figure it out and end up here
I was a pure vaushite up until a week ago. Part of what made me watch destiny was realising that vaush copies a ton of destiny's mannerisms, which seems a bit odd for someone who allegedly doesn't think about destiny at all. And then looking at the philosophy arc stuff, which appears to be where Vaush's philosophy takes originate from (prior to this I assume he just read too much Wikipedia like me) was particularly interesting.
I also happened to be going through a time where I was deciding that I relied too much on streamers to make takes for me, and that I needed to start developing my own moral framework (else I would just permanently change positions based on whatever the last person I heard said). Destiny's content seems more aligned with that ideal than Vaush's.
Looking forward to the manifesto inshallah
Based and reevaluating your moral core pilled.
From one cult to the next. Good luck.
Maybe in a few years you develop independent thoughts, who knows.
Very true, I'm a Nick fan but I like Destiny sometimes (much more recently), Vaush in the other hand is completely insufferable all the time.
like... Nick Fuentes? what?
I've seen people in Vaush's community who are aware of how much Vaush copies Destiny say its to be expected since he came from Destiny's community. I dont think they care and are probably fans because he is a leftier flavor of Destiny
ddg youtube bubble enjoyer
DId the manifesto ever come out?
Still not out
They are obsessed with each other,
Is it going to be a written manifesto or a video manifesto?
It’s almost always both released at the same time.
My first thought when he announced the fortress arc was; guess it has a good echo in it.
and yet Destiny would be defending or paying lip service to Vaush's psychopathy and dishonesty, to this day, had he not been attacked by him. Criticize Vaush all you want man, you're not so different from him, no wonder you basically created him.
*steven fostering mr girl* I can do It better this time, I can get it right this time, what could possibly go wrong?"
Vaush really do be saying shit like "Do you guys remember that clip where Destiny was advocating for enslaving disabled people? OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I don't remember the exact words he used, but he was saying some really weird stuff about disabled people" and then never showing the clip...
manifesto teasing smh
I noticed that about Vaush too, so I would always look for the original clip for more context. I watch Destiny more nowadays even if we disagree politically than Vaush. Oh, and I think Vaush will just fall off because he is just lazy. I don’t think he has a grand scheme. He’s too comfortable.
Vaush was defending Dylan in the primecayes shit. His ridiculous analogy there omg that clip
0:52 lmao
Destiny: "If we are dming each other, and you publicly misconstrue what I said in those private messages, I'm just leaking the whole convo. *Nudes included*.
Also Destiny: Why do people say that I'm spiteful?
I'm convinced, I just unsubbed from Vaush. I've been watching both Vaush and Destiny for a while, and I agree that Vaush distorts about Destiny. Vaush also engages in broad defamatory characterizations about Destiny, and I don't see that with Destiny. And he defends Vaush when takes about him are bad. For Vaush, he just uses Destiny drama to support broad defamatory characterizations: Destiny is deranged, moving to the right, etc. I don't think Destiny is moving right, he is just more willing to criticize the ideas on his own side, and not just personalities like Vaush does.
I just don't get why Vaush does this. Destiny explained this, he wants to be bigger than Hasan... Then what? Why? What does this get you? I guess the total wealth in the world can always increase, but clout is finite. Clout is a zero sum game.
NIce cope stream bro.
u guy are mirrors of each other...still both too ego centrist
vaush talking about rapstiny arc was surprising to me
the intent to misrepresent was so blatant
why does he feel the need to lie or " hyperbolize" destiny's position when his take is already controversial
It's also way more rich considering his IrishLaddie past
@@doctor_who5203 true even his present takes are controversial sometimes
Destiny has a child.....I just wanna throw that out there.
17:13 is so fucking funny
Vaush rarely watches a full or even majority of a clip/interaction. He starts a clip, and watches it just long enough, to justify his position or claim and then walks away from the clip. The clipped content could 100% agree with vaush 5 minutes later, but he never gets to it because after something said seems to justify his dogshit take he walks away.
Vaush has said that he doesnt really care that much about destiney and mostly refuses to watch his stuff.
That he's writing a manifesto gives credit to the idea that vaush always spews that Destiny is obsessed with him.
I like that the things Destiny calls projection (which he obviously is correct about, Vaush is a clone of Destiny after all) Destiny does not admit him being right. Destiny is a lot like Vaush and I bet that bites.
As a VGG/DGG fan I don’t even agree with Destiny’s conclusion here either. At first I thought Vaush treated Destiny with such bad faith due to the fact he was trying to dodge debates. But now I have absolutely no idea why. It just doesn’t make sense for Vaush , who has virtually lost any pull from all other fan bases on the far left/far right, to ruin the last bridge he had left, which is DGG
It's because he got absolutely destroyed in their last two debates, and Vaush's ego couldn't handle that.
@@TheRedHaze3 if I’m being honest, I think neither one won the Police debate because they essentially agreed. The ballots one Vaush lost
@@pp3917 Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't these their last two debates?:
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th-cam.com/video/gteClaD9GKc/w-d-xo.html
Not sure what the "police debate" is.
I don't really consider the "ballots one" a debate, and also that was after Vaush decided to stop engaging with Destiny so it doesn't really factor into the equation.
@@TheRedHaze3 the police one was where both of them were in a late night panel arguing over social workers
@@pp3917 Wasn't that before the Rittenhouse debate and the PhilosophyTube debate?
I’m a TH-cam main don’t have time to watch streams live
Not the smartest thing telling your immitator you're doing a manifesto bout em.
Why not? Vaush is scared as fuck of destiny.
Also and I think this is just as important between you and Bosh I have never heard destiny out and out lie about things. Howeperiod I've heard him behind provolic, I've heard him be sarcastic, I have heard him be wrong about things but I have never in my life seen nor heard destiny out and out lie like I have seen voush. Destiny doesn't care about people's opinions that much To lie to viewer's faces that much nor to be as disingenuous and and attempting to be attempting to be subtle like I haven't seen any maliciousness from destiny.
Oh sure I have seen him get angry I've seen him get upset I've seen them saying things were wrong but everything I've seen about destiny's body language tone and general mannerisms internal mannerisms seem to indicate at least as far as I can tell that hes never out and out stated something deceptively with the intention of turning other people against who hes gone against. I forget who said it but destiny perfectly encompasses the motto of when your enemy is making a mistake don't stop them.
I'm curious if Vaush hypothetically believed it would have been more beneficial to align with the tankie people in the Ukraine invasion, would he have 180ed his current stance? Does he hold actual principles stances or is it all just whatever gets the most subs and power?
He has said he has no principles and believes that anything done that achieves the outcome he wants is good.
Destiny should check out the source document of doomermedia.
Hi vaush
Strawmen in human skin.
Destiny is correct for the most part. But vaush did show destinys tweet about the steal thing shit. How is that misleading? You can say Vaush’s analysis was wrong, but he showed your tweets. So you’re incorrect there. But it is a valid criticism about him making up shit about your positions most of the time. It’s cringe and he needs to stop.
Fortress arc?
What are these people doing? Living in anime seasons?
I'm experiencing a destiny-and-vaush-watching covid arc and this is hilarious... destiny is more right about things but they're both insane
insane indeed
7:39
Make the manifesto, but make it part of a mini-epic series.
10:00 he sounds like the fucking NPC text to speech voice
Thank god, vaush has needed a manifesto for ages lmao
Man that description of a pic of his son with eyes x'ed out sounds horrific. Yeah putting x's on a cartoon version of hasans dog that looks nothing like his real dog is totally the same thing. And not like D is putting pictures of his son on r/place either.
Alright I'm making this comment as a fan of Vaush but wouldn't consider myself "part of his community." (I watch clips maybe once a week, I don't care either way if someone proves him to be a monster or something). I haven't watched the whole video (I'm at about minute 4). I will say right off the bat that it seems like Destiny thinks A LOT about Vaush, which is kind of strange, but not that big of a deal I guess. Also I've seen maybe 3 Destiny clips ever, and I'm open to him being correct about whatever it is he's going to talk about. I'll reply to this comment with what I think. If nobody cares what I think that's fine too. Suck a butt.
"It's literally the exact same shit I complain about, the difference is that it's true when I say it".. from an outside perspective that's giga-cringe ngl. I think Destiny knows how that must sound.
Am I the only one who thinks this manifesto is spite-driven? Destiny saying this pattern is "super interesting" is a little revealing because what he means to say is that this "might be interesting to a Vaush-only viewer". It should be deeply uninteresting to anyone who watches both Destiny and Vaush at this point, and definitely uninteresting to Destiny himself. And also, newsflash, Vaush-only viewers mostly hate Destiny and won't be receptive to this. This is dumb.
Nah. It's good to layout the bad faith case. It's not even clear to me as a watcher of both how much Vaush actually co-opts Destiny's personality and rhetoric without it being layed out to me.
Saying "spite driven" is just rhetorical theatrics at this point. Everything is spite driven if you choose to look at it that way. Ratioing Ben Shapiro on Twitter is spite driven. Vaush banning DGGers from his sub is spite driven. Responding in kind is spite driven. No one cares if the drama is good and the criticisms are sound. Hell, most communities don't even care about the soundness.
I don’t watch vauwsh and I am hyped for it
How is this spite-driven? Vaush spreads this much misinformation about Destiny. You can't just have a big audience like this and be this openly bad faith and not expect people to care.
@@sweatybabypowderhands843 To anyone who watches Destiny, they know Vaush is willfully mis-characterizing Destiny's arguments. To anyone who only watches Vaush, it's a circle jerk and they already hated Destiny anyway. If Destiny suddenly feels the need to correct the record, then I don't understand why he is saying this is "super interesting" because Vaush has been doing this same thing for 2 years.
This is a video of an unwell person and I felt bad watching it.
I just think that vaush is mad at destiny and that's why he gives such an uncharitable view of everything destiny says.
I mean, i kinda have to think that, because if not I'd have to think that Destiny is also manipulating his audience since they have both given very biased views of what the other says or does.
For example, the manifesto and (obviously) destiny have some weird reaches into some of the takes Vaush has, like the thing about "should lefties live by their principles" which is presented in a way that REALLY asumes the worst about his take.
So what am I to think?, that those misrepresentations are the product of a careful, manipulative strategy?, or a product of an internet relation gone wrong?, I've been long enough on the internet to at least start with the asumption of the former, and I don't think that either really deserves such a treatement to be honest.
Watch Vaush will start duo streaming on twitch and use destiny’s ban as an excuse to not play his clips
Ohh that's good. "I would do a full point by point breakdown but...." It's actually not a bad excuse. He makes straight videos though right? Not everything is clips from his streams?
Would work if he didnt already engage in never playing Destiny's clips
Wtf? I jumped to your videos after a break and you still talk about him? You might be right with everything you accused him of but why go to such a length? Why?
I’m one of destiny’s “literal fascist” followers and I’m gonna be real here, there is literally no one better equipped at debating right wingers than Destiny. With that said Destiny needs to stop debating right wingers and have Hasan do it it’s funnier that way.
Hasan doesn't debate. He can't loose any clout.
Thats not true.....
Like at all , just compare destiny vs tim pool and vaush vs tim pool
Vaush was considerably better at handling that conversation
@@Z50nemesis I think they both did well. But Destiny pushed back harder IMO. Vaush stuck to common ground if anything because Tim Pool tends to do that to save face.
@@nafaidni Yes , thats my point.
You need to know where the back down if you really wanna get something across
I use him to better my arguments. I’ve never moved an inch to the left and I’ve been listening for years.
Biggest cope video I've ever seen.
Vaush is terrified lol
Is Destiny is just now realizing that Vaush has been mischaractererizing his takes?
The issue is that Vowsh fans don't like reality, so I doubt they'll even watch a video highlighting all the shit he has done/is doing.
wasnt this one of Noah's criticisms lol, that Vaush doesnt really take the time to understand the stances he is "against", he just paraphrases and then makes his own stance. It seems like Vaush does this the most with Destiny, but it is pretty clear whenever he talks about Black Separatism and Black Nationalism. He has no idea what he actually talking about, instead he just makes blanket statements like "Black separatists are Nazis", based off a really vague understanding of what Black Separatists are, and believe
His fans wouldn’t listen in good faith and agree with you anyway lol to be fair. You’re actually mean quite a bit so idk if someone in the center would definitely listen to you instead. I don’t like you but I listen cause you’re the original. I don’t like lesser copies of a thing. Like part 2 of a movie or a song remake usually it’s terrible
Imagine the number of Vaush fans that hate Destiny but haven't even seen what he looks like or what his voice sounds like. That is how bad the echo chamber is I imagine
Are we just using Vaush to describe how Jan 6th happened?
I hope you tap that doomerpolitics guy. I think he watched a lot of stuff and might have some good insights
Destiny looks hot in the thumbnail. Shame he doesn't wash much.
@@voyance9871 You would too.
...he's right about being the better Vaush, but he did raise his son up. Now it's time to let your son come tumbling down.
Real housewives of twitch
"Publicly shame her until she changes her mind."
😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
That is Very Very NOT #MAGAloha🇺🇸
The manifestos are cringe low-key, but interesting to watch.
Destiny sure does sound like an upset ex-partner. Does the guy have nothing better to do?
Vaush is in decline(?), and all because he stopped employing Destiny’s superior logic & takes, foolishly thinking he found a better alternative by sucking up to a new BF, Hasan-but actually he still knows secretly that Destiny offers the superior logical framework and so he covertly employs Destiny’s slightly modified methods & tactics to...turn it, in vain, against Destiny?
One key piece of damming evidence is Vaush making a statement similar to Destiny’s tweet but instead incrementing a stated number by one? Damn-talk about a smoking gun! You sure got ‘im!
I think I understand why Vaush doesn’t bother watching Destiny’s content. All Destiny seems to do, going off this video, is schizo-post and make gripes just like a butt-hurt ex-lover would make. For Vaush to fully engage would be a complete waste of time-as I just verified for myself after watching this video.
Keep on coping, Destiny & dggers.
You may have a point, but we are still in the outlining phase. Having watched both content creators for some time now, though, Destiny may have more evidence than you realize. Let’s wait until the manifesto comes out.