Destiny Response to Vaush Calling Him a REACTIONARY
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The obsession continues. Which am i talking about? Exactly
Lol
Kek
at this point we will see them read a fan fic featuring voush and tiny
They cover each other just as equally tbh
This is genius
Why can't Vaush speak normally? He speaks like a pretentious actor in a bad Shakespeare-wannabe-play.
I think he just be like that
The way in which one ought to saliently contend with the inherent incoherence of your previously stated sentiment might behoove oneself to ameliorate the question from a rule utilitarian framework.
@@Omevoc The manner in which thou speaketh contends not only to the fascistic nature of Mr Steven Kenneth Bonnelli the 2nd, but to the salience of mine own sentiment, for which none can fall into behoovement as a result unless their condition is already inherently befallen to animalistic Buffoonery. No moral action within this aforementioned rule utilitarian framework runs so contrary to the perceived salience of thine own points than what thee hast gone so far as to accomplish now, and indeed I say this a moral anti-realist myself.
He tried to be like Christopher Hitchens and ended up sounding like Jerry Falwell
He unironically does big words to make his points sound valid.
Man, Vaush's ego is so crazy. He reminds of those South Park characters that fart in a wine glass and then sniff it.
LOL
We are not supposed to do that?
Dude I literally used this example today when explaining to my uncle who Hassan is.
Holy hell. I've never heard vaush described so perfectly 😂😂
His entire Schtick has now become “Destiny is so extremely obsessed with me, and I’ll prove it by responding to all of these offhand comments in my chat. The fact that I don’t watch his videos at all before responding only shows how un-obsessed I am, as opposed to Destiny, who has the audacity to actually address my points.”
Honestly genius. Gives vaush the optics win with minimal effort. It's toxic af, but kind of genius in a diabolical way.
Couldn't have said it better myself
"aesthetic, performative enjoyment of being smarter than the people you're talking to" is pure projection.
No destiny 100% does this. Maybe not as much as vowsh, but he definitely does.
@@commenttroll6933 Destiny enjoys dunking on people, but he actually has thought through his positions and knows how to argue them. He also has a pretty solid moral foundation that he sticks to. So yeah he enjoys being smarter than the people he talks to, but he’s not fake and hypocritical like Vaush is.
That’s why Vaush’s statement is so obviously a projection of legendary proportion. He’s literally describing himself perfectly.
Ameliorate
@@synlion You're just repeating things you've heard about Destiny word for word lol. CURIOUS what would happen to this position of yours if you actually investigated it
@@roarbertbearatheon8565 Investigated it how?
When I hear Vaush talk about worker co-ops it sounds as if he supports them for moral reasons and at the end of the day really doesn't care about whether they work better or materially improve things.
They won't work. It's ridiculous, it just sounds better than advocating for a command economy or being against private property since that failed everywhere it was tried.
I think he did admit that at one point, even if co-ops were demonstrably worse than a free market economy, he’d still support it
@@michaelh13 I believe that was the same debate with econoboi that he demonstrated he has absolutely no idea how co-ops and businesses in general work.
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@@roblangada4516 Yeah I think you're correct on that one
I'm starting to realize why people hate Destiny. He is very good at being the villain. The problem is not just that Destiny is better at commentary than Vaush is, but Destiny is just in many ways a more interesting personality than he is. He continues to set the tone for political discussions despite being dwarfed by other streamers. The overwhelming variety of topics Destiny has brought to the table over the years. All the crazy people on the internet he has come into contact with. All the memes he has generated. Like, when I first found out who he was I had no idea how much shit I was getting into. Just the Ana drama alone this year can't really be compared to anything else on the internet. The dgg community is notorious. Destiny's legacy in this space was secured a long time ago. If Vaush really does hate Destiny, then that has to be a mindfuck for him.
The cringe
Pretty poetic language over some Twitch drama.
@@suurmoguuli2149 It's very cringely written, but it has some truth to it
@@Thunterise no
@@Thunterise the truth ends at people hate destiny
"Vowsh"
"Bad Faith"
"Pretentious"
All in one video.
Steven's finally coming around to what so many have been saying about Ian since day 1.
Destiny chasing after every skirt with Blond hair & Blue eyes.
It doesn't matter if it's Vaush or Ana.
@@bestdjaf7499 you're weird
@@rickross9829
And you Sir. are homophobic.
Reminder that Vaush grew up in beverly hills had his education paid for by his rich parents and then went on to become a streamer he doesnt know poverty
"Destiny in a different world would be a racist/sexist, but hes not in this world. Me on the other hand, would not be a racist/sexist because I am a leftist in this world...."
Wtf is this logic?
Leftist logic. they also don't understand economics but normies think otherwise
I'm surprised to see Vaush with this shit take, since he's one of the few lefties that rightfully dismisses "you can't be racist toward white people".
@@synchronium24
Feel like Vaush has a lot of shit takes. 2 years ago I could stomach some of his bad Econ takes but had okayish social tanks, but now? He just seems so bad at debating holy yikers.
It’s not logic
Delusion. Egotism. Narcissism. Or all three.
One of my biggest pet peeves is when a streamer just takes a viewers comment as evidence. It’s so frustrating because 80% of the time it’s incorrect or incomplete information. Streamers have excess to a computer. Fact check your audience, it’s really not that hard!
Vaush notoriously takes whatever randoms in his chat says at face value idk why tf he thinks that's ever a good idea.
Was that like a clever pun because streamers are on the internet for excessive amounts of time? Or did you mean to write access?
18:50 Vaush admitted that’s the sole reason why he debates from day one. Absolute lolcow.
16:15 That Vaush impression was gold ngl 😂
I feel like I've outpaced him, intellectually.
Btw Destiny's reaction to the folding ideas video is about 4 hours into the vod from the 30th
Thank you :)
Bump
Vaush is as hard to listen to as Mike now fuck its hard lol. If I muffle my hearing a little I sometimes hear Mikes desperation.
Watch out
I like Vaush claiming that people struggling in cities should continue to struggle because the city needs them.
“You can’t move! The city will colapse!”
I loved how he accused Destiny of having disdain for the people and a sense of elitist superiority, not that long after he just got done saying 50% of the country doesn't vote in their own interests and HE knows better for them than they do. The irony completely lost on him and socialists in general when they say shit like this.
Essentially, it's not REAL democracy unless everyone votes in the way Vaush prescribes.
vaush really do be trying to sound like Scar while he plays with the mouse the entire rant
He ends up accidentally sounding evil most of the time tbf
@@ChaseFace I get less evil and more reddit comment
These videos are good but you need to remix the sound to make it louder
How very saliently ameliorating. This quixotic diatribe has titilated the cockles of my coronary ventricles. Well articulated, lad of the northern british isles!
You’re fluent in vaush i see
10:15 I wasn't paying attention to the video and I though he was talking about Vaush 😂😂
Vaush is the rich British better than you type person.
“N’yeeees Nigel, I do, I dooOoOOO shay, we should fink bout helpin those pooir people down n’yea. They truly do not undershtahnd I know Berta for dem!”
Not to be that guy but you kinda wrote that quote in 2 different british accents
@@TheTheawesomeguy35 Americans attempting to roast Britain is kinda funny.
Don't put any of that shit on us, Vaush is all yours. He is your kid, don't pretend he is illegitimate now just to save face
Tried reading this in posh british accent and it didn’t fit.
Then I tried reading it in a hillbilly accent and it did fit.
You accidentally typed in hillbilly.
Where can i find desTiny's commentary om the NFT video
I know.
Someone said 4 hours into the vod from the 30th
A reactionary calling a reactionary a reactionary?
Always has been…
From my low understanding of economics, wouldnt worker coops have the same issues as those professions that put limits on the potential pool of professionals (4 year apprenticeships for trades as an example) that can work in those professions so the price of their labour stays high?
Yooo I finally get to see Destinys lower half!!! Not bad my guy. Working out? 0:49
So Vaush doesn't know what a reactionary is, big surprise he uses words for their emotional connotation and not to literally describe people. God forbid anyone de-escalate the insane level of incredibly inaccurate, emotionally-charged rhetoric online.
Commies call everyone reactionaries. But it’s pretty strange as well, Vaush isn’t a revolutionary, what is there to react towards? The guy is just a reformist that’s on Amazons paycheck.
Does anyone know the song that was playing at 17:48 ?
Xulgon - Alex Rehberg
This is the guy who said "give up you're gun and we won't kill you" not surprising it's the same with money
TFW dad makes you play mom's voicemails on speaker so he can listen to her talking shit about him.
He barely even took issue with the folding ideas video at all.
He just got halfway through with it, started shit-talking with Dan about money laundering, and then got bored and did something else.
It was background noise.
I non ironically love how they sound so much like a divorced couple
"Left in the dust... intellectually"
It's funny he had to add the intellectually part, because no matter what Vaush says or does to dismiss Destiny, Destiny has consistently had more subs than Vaush even after Vaush got a sub increase from stuff like the Tim Pool and Charlie Kirk thing
Vaush is putting him on "The Web"
14:43 that's not what an axis is, Vowsh.
I very much liked the little Among Us guy slapping Thumbs Up, Subscribe and Bell icon.
Destiny needs to bind a key on his keyboard to play/pause so he can stop alt+tabbing
As a product of the 253 and I am not surprised to see someone like Vaush.
If the city dies off then that shouldn’t matter to the people who are moving especially since the city is too expensive for them
And if it does see mass moving then the city might pay higher to their employees since it needs them for the city to function idk why vaush is against this
Vaush describing his thought process
I love how a guy with such a massive ego for basically nothing actually calls others egotistical physician heal thyself is pretty much what I'd say, but I can't because I asked Vaush about Co-Ops and how he keeps saying stuff about Sweden when he means Holland and Norway and the majority of co-ops are in India and southern Asia not Europe and I asked where he gets his facts from instant ban wouldn't even acknowledge the question.
Vaush only talks to hear himself talk and that's it.
It definitely feels like a living hell if you're among the working poor; but you can at least get some assistance so you don't STARVE to death-- even if you're surviving in a big city. Also, education is an asset, but it's useless if you aren't actively getting involved in a symbiotic community. "It's not what you know; it's who you know" is a mantra that will become more true as you get older.
They just need to kiss and get over it.
This comment appears on both destiny and vaush channels, and seems to ring the most true
@@great_ape9791 hahaha that’s so funny. If I was destiny I’d be starting a campaign to kiss vaush
"Oh there's the N word" so based lawwwd
Let's be real here, Destiny and Vaush both talk about each other constantly, and it's almost always because chat brings them up to each other.
Truth. Both fan bases then blame whichever person that they hate even though both do it.
It's interesting how Vaush can make the argument that Destiny only disagrees with the left because of spite, implying that if he were an honest actor, he would agree with everything Vaush is saying, while simultaneously stating that Destiny never actually moved on from being a libertarian, he simply found a new political framework that allowed him to win debates and boost his ego, which Vaush of course states to justify saying that Destiny is really a reactionary. I'm genuinely curious how conscious Vaush is of this paradox, because it really seems to betray some insecurities on his part. It seems like Vaush genuinely needs to reassure himself that Destiny secretly would agree with everything he is saying, because Destiny played such a formative role in his character, but he also needs to plant this idea in his viewers' heads that everything Destiny says builds on reactinary politics, so he can attack him for classism, racism, sexism, etc. instead of addressing his arguments.
This comment did not need to be this long
@@5days61 I agree, but I have a bad habit of thinking readers need more context than they actually do.
Wait a minute, Vaush unironically thinks Destiny arguing against completely abolishing capitalism and eating the rich is pro-austerity?
They think everyone is an extremist because they are. Either you're a lefty extremist who wants to abolish capitalism and install communism under a different name, you're a righty extremist which is fascist/nazi and want to shoot black people in the street, or you're an extreme centrist who thinks capitalism is perfect and thinks that poor people are doormats first and citizens second.
Hassan calls people pejoratives because it's socially acceptable. But, somehow Destiny is the one who would be racist if it was socially acceptable? lol
I’m trying to see Vaushs side but it’s hard lol
TH-camr drama. So mature.
Now kwith
Vaush gave me Corbyn vibes when he said he's passed destiny intellectually. Corbyn said, after losing the election to Boris Johnson, "we may have lost the election, but we won the argument"
The people that self label as an "Anti-Bad Thing" are just not good people
He's become Ana 2.0.0 but post modern to a degree of no return
They’re both obsessed with each other cause it’s good content, quit whining about it broski
Tens of millions are apparently starving to death in America while somehow the poorest people in America are also the fattest. Really makes me think.
If there is one issue the US doesn't have, it's starvation. The only people who starve in the US are neglected children, abused seniors in corrupt care facilities, and severely mentally disabled people without a caretaker for whatever reason. All of which are very rare, and usually make headline news when they happen.
"Does Vaush talk about me once per stream?" While literally streaming about Vaush every day...
Debate incoming???
To be fair, a lot of Destiny's "issues" with the NFT video were pretty fucking dumb.
destiny stop responding to clips about you ,, you look obsessed!!!
Clicks
@@he.5865 it’s sarcasm
"God Destiny is so obsessed with me. I know because I see so much of the stuff he's doing all the time. He just won't leave me alone. Let's talk about how obsessed Destiny is with me for about half an hour. Didn't Destiny say a certain thing? What was the exact quote? Chat tell me exactly what words Destiny used, please go through all his videos, anyways he's obsessed with me."
I wonder if Vowsh wears the blinkers all the time or only on stream?
Destiny you have called workers stupid.
Ok?
Bro Destiny is a Monster. Everyone he seams to interact with beaks. And losses the ability to form Arguments. Vaush, Hasan who’s next. He is way to powerful
Vaush will always be Salieri to Destiny’s Mozart.
9:30 you also werent poor destiny
I don't want him to stop beeing obsessed, his pathetic but entertaining
Vaush is just jealous because Destiny is better at video games
True.
@@he.5865 story
Agreed
The way Vaush speaks to his audience & about other streamers is so condescending, makes him so damn ugly. He's such an angry person.
20:45
This is really how he thinks that conversation went 2 years ago.
First of all Vaush every time he debated Destiny back then was trying to get validation from Destiny and looking for him to challenge his ideas, he didn't use to say you need to "ABOLISH THE BOURGEOISIE" because that would just look bad in front of his daddy Destiny. He used to say he would be okay just moving gradually into "socialism" which for him it was just capitalism but with coops. He used to say this because Destiny would be okay with that. How would we move to "socialism"? He used to say you just incentivize it through the government... that's it. Now he can have trash takes to look more radical to his audience, because he doesn't debate Destiny anymore, and that's what he wanted.
Imagine a socialist calling someone out for being classist…. Oh the irony
No... that sounds pretty consistent with socialist ideology actually.
@@angusmarch1066 True. But Vaush himself dosen’t live up to his own estethics or ideology
@@angusmarch1066 whenever people picture a Socialist society, they picture themselves in the upper "ruling" class - so it seems great. But when their dream becomes reality, they're always the first to be put on the wall - as we've seen over and over again through history.
@@angusmarch1066 are you saying it’s consistently hypocritical?
@@lances6602 quit virtue signalling and focus on the actual point. when people imagine a socialist society, they imagine a dissolution of class heirarchies, there isnt supposed to be an "upper" class. So a socialist accusing someone of classism (i.e upholding a class heirarchy, through thier disdain for the working class) is not hypocritical.
You two need to go to a couple's therapy. Could help you deal with the true feelings you hold deep about each other.
Vaush should never talk about the poor experience. He talks about us as if we're crawling through the mud will to do anything for a loaf of bread. He looks down on us to the point I honestly think if he was invited into a poor person's house he'd question how they could afford TV and internet.
Wait, so destiny is anti-worker because he says poor people should increase their financial freedom by moving to cheaper places, but doing that would be bad for the expensive cities and neighborhoods? Alright, makes sense to me, we wouldn't want expensive cities and landlords in them to be hurt, lest society collapse!
The real argument is that poor people cant necessarily afford to move away. It also seems highly unfair that the neighbourhood they grew up in suddenly begins to price them out and they should be the ones to move. Furthermore, this is pretty unsustainable long term. Say I grow up in Brixton, but now upper middle class people decide to move in and now the price of housing and ammenities goes up. So now I move to Peckham and the same happens again, so now I take my shit and I move all the way to, lets say Hackney, or Camden or Vauxhall or anywhere else in London that is supposed to be cheap and they all slowly become gentrified. At what point do I give up and go live in a cardboard box in a park?
@@angusmarch1066 I dunno what it's like in the UK, but moving is incredibly easy in the US. I worked minimum wage jobs for about ten years, and it's common practice to withhold a bit too much on your taxes so when you do them, you get around $2000 back. I knew a single mother with three kids who used this to move, and we lived in a relatively large city. Sure, this is anecdotal evidence, but I've worked all across the country, and this is standard practice everywhere I've been.
Sure, gentrification sucks, no argument there. But if you want to live in the city, it's something you have to deal with. Your options aren't "live in London or live in a cardboard box," you can move to a cheaper part of the country.
I'd argue this is very much sustainable. No matter how rich a city is, it's always going to need workers. If all the poor people are priced out, businesses will have to raise wages (or the city will do it for them in order to survive) if they want to have a workforce at all. Take NYC for example; minimum wage there is over $13/hr, which is nearly double the federal minimum wage. As far as I can tell, London isn't quite as extreme, but it looks like minimum wage is around £2.50 higher than most other places in the UK. So what you're talking about is already being addressed
@@foop145 I cant speak to all you've said about taxes. I wont pretend to understand all of what you said in your first point, so I will defer to your experience on that matter. However with gentrification I do not agree that this is something you should just have to live with. This isnt about some high chested students who want to live in London beyond thier means. We are talking about working class people who have lived in the city all thier lives, have roots, family and friends in the city. How or why should they be expected to move in order to make room for richer people? And with what money? We are facing a big cost of living crisis in the UK with a large swaythe of people unable to afford gas or electricity, and this is countrywide, not just London. So if you get priced out of London and you were already having to choose between food and gas, theres not gonna be much hope for you to even set up shop elsewhere, and even then your problems will no doubt be just as bad. And, with respect, I dont feel like you have answered my point well. Upper class people dont just stay to one neighbourhood. They go whereever is cheap or trendy. And that generally means places where working class people have built communities. So when I move now to Liverpool from London and then that gets gentrified, and so on and so forth, it will eventually reach the point that I run out of places that I cam afford. You mentioned a wage raise in London, but given that wages are insanely behind inflation, its highly unlikely even with a minimum wage rise that you will be able to afford to keep your home. So what do you say to a person who runs out of options? Furthermore, there isnt much of a labour incentive to solve these problems because corporations will just expect you to commute to get to work. Now we revisit your first point, because as I admitted, I didnt fully understand it and there may be something I'm missing. Can you please explain further?
@Angus March sure I can explain. In the US, when you're filling out your tax forms for a job, you can decide how much to withhold from your paycheck. The idea is that you automatically give the government a part of your paycheck so you don't have to pay as much come tax time. However, most workers err on the side of caution and withhold more than they might need to. So when tax time comes around, the government has taken more than they are owed, so they return the difference, which usually comes out to be about $2k. People use this to buy TVs or computers or whatever, but it's common to use it to move.
In terms of gentrification, you're right that it sucks to basically be kicked out of your home, I fully agree. But what's the solution? A lot of places have fixed rent to alleviate this problem. But the end of the day, you can't tell a property owner how much they're allowed to charge people living in it.
I honestly can't speak to the UK. Some cursory looking indicates that the cost of living problem is driven by COVID, but I know very little about your country, so you might be right about it. In America, however, there are plenty of places with low costs of living. If you're living in a city like LA or NYC, these are some of the most expensive cities on the planet. Living in a big city like this as a minimum wage worker means making sacrifices in exchange for the cultural and commercial benefits. Those sacrifices are usually things like commuting if you want to work in the heart of the city, and having roommates. You don't get to have an easy life and live in an expensive city.
Again, I don't know the UK, but this is entirely sustainable. The only reason huge cities have such shitty living conditions for poor people is because people are willing to put up with it. Moving somewhere cheaper not only alleviates your financial problems, but it incentivizes corporations to hike wages in the city to hang on to you. Again, it doesn't matter how rich a city is, they need workers. If they lean on workers too much, the workers leave, and rich people aren't going to stock grocery shelves themselves, so they'll leave too. If you run out of places to live, there's a serious underlying problem with your country that has nothing to do with gentrification. A country or city can't run with exclusively rich people living in it. Someone's gotta sweep the floors, stock the stores, and make the food.
@@foop145 hello, sorry for the late reply, Im sure youve stopped being invested in this conversation by now, but I just saw the comment so I'll respond.
Your points were:
1) your explanation of US tax rebates.
2) gentrification as an unfortunate yet unavoidable reality.
3) your assessment of the UK's living wage crisis.
4) the harsh reality of living in cities.
5) gentrification being sustainable.
1) thats very interesting. we in the UK dont handle our own taxes directly unless we own businesses, which is why I knew so little. Im sure a windfall like that would be a help to someone trying to move. And yet, people find themselves unable to afford rent and out of thier homes. Im not being cheeky, but can you help me to understand why that is? If such a readily available loophole is present, what is the problem?
2) I think this shrugging off of gentrification as a sad fact of life is a bit reductive. Im not disputing that it is a fact of life, Im disputing whether or not it need be a fact of life. You seem to be content with it being so despite being morally opposed to it. I think thats part of the problem. You argued that "we cant tell landlords how much to charge for accomodation" and I would argue that not only can we but we should. You brought up rent controls yourself, thats a start. I would tentatively argue as well that incentivising housing co-ops (dont make that face), could also go a ways to ensuring that people are able to hold onto their homes, while allowing deprived neighbourhoods to be developed freely. Then they could actually enjoy the benefits of said development instead of having to move somewhere else shitty.
3&4) youre right that the cost of living crisis has been exacerbated by covid, but it has been a long time coming. Brexit, cuts to welfare, rapid inflation, now we have the Russo-Ukrainian war which is going to cause food and oil costs to rise further. Covid was just one of many staws that broke the camel's back. Once again, you are chalking the whole issue up to a harsh reality and I dont think thats enough of an argument. You've admitted that you cant speak fully to the UK experience, so I dont want to be a prick and speak fully to the American experience, but since you brought up NYC, I have seen videos of the apartments that go on sale in NYC for like half a million dollars, and if you can show me where in one of those coffin flats, you could fit yourself and enough roomates to cover that cost, I will genuinely fly to your part of the States and and suck your dick. Cradle the balls, stroke the shaft, swallow the gravy. I dont believe that being able to comfortably afford your living accomodation constitutes easy living. If youve been paying your rent comfortably for years and your landlord deliberately decides to price you out to appeal to a new market, then that shouldnt have to sinply be something you live with. Putting out an ad for roommates might be all well and good for a single person, but what about the person with a family? Im sure these problems can be overcome, but my point is that they shouldnt be present in the first place. There are steps you can take to avoid being burgled. With that being the case, should we stop trying to arrest burglars, because they are just a fact of life?
4) No, I dont think gentrification can be sustainable. People arent 'willing' to put up with anything, they are forced to put up with shitty living conditions, again because they cant afford anything better. The things you are saying, while optimistic, do not track with reality. In London, the rich who do not feel like spending a load of money living in the city, move out to Reading, or Ascot, or Surrey, or some other sleepy outskirt town with low housing costs. The people who live in the city are either hipster liberals or people genuinely living hand-to-mouth in overpriced accomodation. There is no price hike to be seen. The point you are making about labour leaving the cities is also flawed by the point that like I said, alot of times gentrification happens between districts rather than across whole cities. You yourself brought up that many people will have to commute to work in the heart of the city and this is true. It defeats your argument about cities leaking labour, because if you can commute to the city or borough you work in, then the labour market loses absolutely nothing from you being evicted from your house and if it does there will always be someone closer, who desperately needs the second or third job in order to pay their extortionate rent.
A true divorce
what's actually with the schizo censoring like at 01:46
Cutting audio is "schizo editing"? It's because if you have spicy stuff near the start of a youtube video you get demonitized/restricted hard.
@@Winasaurus i specifically used the word censoring because I understand what is being cut out (obviously), but sometimes the entire convo is mostly sanitized of a word or two
And afaik it's only the first minute anyways
Vaush always came across as lowkey racist. Not malicious, but just that black people are stereotypical caricatures and thats ok. I always remember he was debating a black guy about something a while back and started making these african savanna analogies and saying "we should be like the monkey" and this all this weird stuff. Whenever I hear him reference black people its always in the context of being ultra poor, stupid and being some hip-hop stereotype. It betrays he has very little to no experience with black people aside from what he hears and reads.
Hes a covert racist. I get the vibe that he couldn't hang out with actual black people without it being some discussion regarding politics
As a single member of the black delegation, guys like this are worse than a straight up KKK member. I would rather have the white person who drops the "N-word" at me 30 times a day, then the white person who feels they need to treat me like a pet that needs their charity to live
I’m guessing you meant portrays rather than betrays.
So done with this arch. I really hope we aren't just vod-reacting until vaush is so ashamed of himself that he stops talking about D.
There are lots of poor people starving!
Not in first world countries
What the fuck is vaush saying
His point is you have lost empathy for people Destiny which it really seems like you have.
Daddy and Dad are fighting again
How bad is your self-esteem to say something so cringtastic unironicly? Do your parents know you are watching adult pee doe files arguing? Stop it! Get some help!
poor people are disgusting
I e way to ignore all the homeless ppl Destiny!
Way to ignore everything he said. He never said people aren't starving and homeless. This is like the definition of a strawman.
Lol
What a waste.
I had to tell TH-cam to quit recommending Vaush. Hes so bad faith, jesus
Based
Now if there's only a way to make Xanderhal, Merrick, Shoe and Hunter to stop recommending Vaush.
Vaush is so cringe. Stupidity has nothing to do with wealth. Trump, Musk, Rogan, Hasan? There is plenty stupid rich people.
12:50 Literal and figurative hand waving.
This back and forth between this two is vital xD
Reactception
Every damn streamer I hear has taken up the habit of tongue-clicking. (Tongue popping?) All the damn time. It's so disgusting. Ask yourself whether you've been doing this your whole life or it started some time in the recent past. What has taken hold of you? What is causing you to make this disgusting sound multiple times in every single clip? Can you do better? You know you can!
Sorry, it just sounds really gross to me and I'm drunk so I'm bothering you about it.
He had a speech impediment when he was a child, and does a jaw/tongue movement to control it.
@@mothgru I don't know which thing you're talking about but I just mean the ordinary tongue-clicking that I hear everyone doing. When I posted the above comment I thought it was a habit that had recently caught on among streamers, but now I think that for some reason I recently developed a misophony about people's mouth sounds and I've just been noticing it more. It is dumb, I hope I get over it.
I love these rich streamers grifting socialism. Telling me about the bourgeois while they drink Starbucks in their 1.3$ million homes
Destiny is the new Fuentes
Good!
Vaush misrepresenting someone? Cant be
I was expecting some good criticism from destiny, but there really wasn't any. Vaush will miss remember or miss characterize, and so does Destiny. Also, Jesus, you guys read way into much to Vaush and Destiny without any evidence to support them.
good criticism of what?
Incoherent, You should probably rewrite your comment.
As is the nature of watching snippets of people and then giving takes as you watch. Both are reactionaries to an extent.
“Greedy homeowners”
You mean regular folk who saw an opportunity to be a little richer?
Nice victim blame destiny
No, he means the middle to high income (most of the loans were granted to high income earners) people who decided that home prices would never drop and decided to get a third home loan for an even bigger house. While it is true that banks/mortgage brokers (looking at you Couyntrywide) shouldnt have made these loans, there has to be some personal reponsobility as well. You should be able to look at your income and understand what you can afford and when you are taking too much risk. Unless you think you think we need to handle rich adults like children.
@@disser3849 The amount of qualification in your response suggests to me you've made your mind up and are reverse engineering an explanation.
If you are a middle income earner and you were presented with an opportunity to secure your future you'd be dumb not to take it. Blaming that person for a significant portion of the financial crash is incorrect in my opinion.
Bankers were making more in bonuses each year than that middle income earner stood to make from his poorly advised loan, and there was literally no risk to the bankers.
A you want to mention that some people made poor decisions? Nah bruh
@@henryburton6529 The response I gave was correct. If you are a middle income earner and a salesperson from Countrywide contacted you to tell that you could get another cheap loan against your current house which isnt even paid yet to buy a second one for investment with zero down payment. You should have said maybe this is a bad idea and this is definitely not securing my future. Bankers or whoevers' bonuses have nothing to do with this.
Most of the people who started gambling were already well off, they just got greedy. This does not mean that the firms pushing these are off the hook, only that people need to take some responsibility from their own actions and that the greed was running rampant everywhere.
Oh yeah and I dont think that "most: of the blame should go towards homeowners (I dont think Destiny does either).
@@disser3849 Exactly, you are highlighting the part of the poor conned middle income earner who made a bad decision to try to secure his and his families future.
Not the bit where the regulations were slashed by the government and lots of bad options were suddenly presented to middle income earners so a few bankers could pockets huge bonuses and banks could become even richer. Cool story.
Are you also the kind of person who chastises people who get into trouble with payday lenders as well?
@@henryburton6529 Im not sure how you got that out of it. You are a mid to high income earner with a house and you are dumb enough to get a second mortgage because a dude on the phone says you totes should bro? If you are so dumb you get conned by this you can get conned by a dude selling pencils from a cup. Obviously people were not stupid, they were greedy and wanted to make big money with huge leverage while thinking home prices could never come down.
Im not sure what regulations you think were cut (specifically), but as as long as the average borrower would have just stopped to make a quick risk calculation and decided hey, I think this is stupid they would have been fine. Also no bonuses for the bankers in that case. But no, they also got greedy and it takes two tango.
All im saying is its stupid to keep painting this black and white picture where people cannot do basic math and somehow were forced to or hypnotized to take forever loans on a bet that the huge house price increases would go on forever.
I dont think think payday lenders have anything to do with this. I sont understand why anyone would ever use them and would be fine with just banning them or something.
Stop feigning exasperation and address Vaush. I hate Vaush but you’re giving him wins.
Come on.
Destiny is big mad.
How dare you say that about my hero-daddy Destiny.
Hes SOOO calm, YOU’RE the mad one! YOU!
Vaush too, and all of Destiny’s enemies, they’re all mad.
I think they both kinda suck. But Destiny is way to unhinged, reactionary, privileged and inconsistent for me. I think Vaush actually believes what he says, bad or good. At least he has some principles. Destiny will argue for the sake of argument. Used to be against Nazis, but when they left , he targeted the left. Just because they were there. I just don’t find Destiny authentic. Sad really.” Anyone who promotes NFTs are grifters and ripping u off” also. “ Go get my NFTs every one. I wanna a million dollars in the bank before I leave the internet” . 🤪gimme a break.
This is literally the exact opposite of reality.
First off, how is Destiny "reactionary and inconsistent"? What positions does he hold that are purely reactionary and not built on his currently existing axiomatic beliefs?
Second off, Vaush has literally admitted himself to not having consistent principles because it makes it easier to "win" when you don't have to stake out a point you actually care about.
Here is his exact quote: "You call it selling out your principles? I call it fucking winning and that's my principle. To win as a socialist, not to lose as a socialist.". Clearly he doesn't care about selling out socialist principles if it means he can "win". This is literally the opposite of believing what he says and having principles.
Third, Destiny has said, multiple times, that he is obviously going to target what he perceives to be a bigger threat in the space. Nazis were a bigger threat back when edgy atheism was trending, now the left has won the culture war and far leftism is more of a threat, the nazis are absolutely irrelevant in the online space, they lost.
Fourth, you clearly just didn't listen to what Destiny said about NFTs. He specified the issue with people who promote NFTs is that a huge amount of them are lying to you and grifting because they tell or imply to you that the NFT is a valuable object that will increase in value and can be sold on for profit. Just selling someone an NFT in and of itself is not an immoral act, lying to them about what they can do with it is.
It's like selling someone a car. Is it immoral? No. What if I sold it to them saying it will fix their life problems, cure their cancer, and make their wife come back to them? Now it's immoral because I'm lying. But that doesn't make the sale of the car itself, it means the method by which I'm getting the sale is the immoral part. Same with NFTs.