He honestly sounds like he watched the trailer, then went and googled reasons they were wrong. He's showing his audience he thinks they're to stupid to notice. Unfortunate.
Jason Gauthier I agree with you completely. I recently switched to a plant-based diet about a month and a half ago and at around that same time started listening to a lot of health-based TH-cam documentaries, podcasts, etc. including several of Joe’s podcasts and I usually enjoy his podcast but when he gets on rants of anti-Veganism it’s quite annoying. I don’t strictly listen to pro vegan info because sadly when people are firm believers in something all they tend to tell you about is all the positives and never mention the negatives so it’s nice to listen to both sides and then if necessary do a bit of research to see which side is providing more accurate info. Joe is a smart guy and his podcast are quite entertaining typically but he does everything he can to sway the conversation drastically toward his beliefs so his podcasts tend to lead me to do more research. IMHO your body doesn’t care where it get the nutrients as long as it gets them and there is literally nothing that you can’t get from a plant based Whole Foods diet if you plan out/monitor your diet.
He sounds utterly ridiculous and completely uneducated. You don’t need to debunk him... he does that quite well himself. But your videos are always so witty and funny!! Thanks Mic 🎤!!
Tho, like with President Ding Dong, it's obvious to people who are better at critical thinking, that Trump is a scam artist, with Joe, most (meat eaters) are just going to go along with what he says. Not going to convince them otherwise. For those people who are dipping a toe into veganism, Mic's vid helps with the confusing messaging on the topic. So, like you said, thanks Mic! :)
i just remeber reading russell brands quote "i shall have heroin, but i shan't have a hamburger". even at his highest junkie moments he wouldn't slip. have several seats meat eaters
my favorite from that interview was when Joe told Russell he had been exposed to too much "vegan propaganda", and he said something like " ah yes, propaganda, I remember him! from the nazis!"
Truly. They know so little about the compassion we feel for them holding on, as if they are going to die. Their entire identity is threatened by living with principle and sticking to it.
@@deslawson2662 no good enough science either way? I don't think so. There's over 70 years of surveyic, clinical, and mechanistic research showing both the benefits of plant foods and the detriments if animal based ones.
But wait a minute, he smokes weed, did DMT a few times in his life and always makes sure to pronounce it "N,N-Dimethyltryptamine ", which means he's uber Liberal, so all sides of the political spectrum can trust him implicitly; woo!
@Sierra VandeVosse how many studies have you read? Vegan propaganda "science" is horribly done. Have some critical thinking of your own and stop lapping up the piss of these vegan cultists. Do your own research and stop being a hypocrite. The science is far from settled and "proven"
@@blairmaffin3287 Vegan propaganda? Seriously? Yes, everyone is biased if you haven't fucking heard. Everyone has a bias, just like you do and in what you're showing right now with your own "propaganda". Vegan cultists? Really? We don't worship a specific being or object and our ethics aren't sinister or or strange. All we want is for animals not to be harmed or exploited as much as practical and possible, but sure, if you want to call having empathy a cult, go ahead. You sound extremely insecure for someone who is so sure of themselves. Trust me, we have critical thinking and we look at scientific evidence and what it has concluded so far (though vegans are based on an ethical standpoint since it isn't a diet, it's an animal rights movement), and for you to tell someone to stop lapping up the piss of people speaking on veganism and treating animals with basic respect it sure looks like you've got your tongue out waiting for the other side to piss into your mouth in order to fuel your own set of beliefs.
Then they will all feel sorry for us as they choke on decaying dead bodies and puss. They're like "Think of your health, you poor emaciated vegan.. :`( have some carcass before you faint "
He is 1.71m, that is not very short. It is short for a strongman but not that short for a normal person. It is even more impressive that he is a strongman despite his height.
@Ortodox Abulmughayyis Denial is strong with you. Even your vegan gurus unwittingly admit that plants are inferior food - e.g. Dr Greger's daily dozen.
I wish mic would go on joes podcast because the one thing he’s never had as a guest is a vegan activist. He’s only had passive vegans who are there to talk about other things. Joe was even pushy towards Russell brand and insisted that he eat eggs.
My boyfriend constantly listens to Joe Rogan podcasts and I can't help but laugh ..that guy is such an idiot with what he says. I LOVE that you yet again put Joe Rogan to shame.
I had a feeling to sit down and pull up a vegan documentary for my boyfriend who is a college athlete. He also likes Jo Rogan. I NEED TO SHOW HIM GAME CHANGERS AND THIS VIDEO
Game Changers is a great movie. It’s really the first movie I can recommend to my non-vegan friends and family because it’s just really well produced, entertaining, and not “preachy”. It doesn’t make it all sound like some big conspiracy, it’s just a great movie about some elite athletes who found a way to improve their performance and recovery. I also love that they clearly cite all their evidence for anyone who wants to further investigate the science.
I felt the same way. It's also the first one that I felt was good enough to recommend to my doctor. His response was "I don't have time to watch a movie about food. I have much professional material I need to follow, but you can summarize and give us the essence. Otherwise you'll have to contact someone who knows something about alternative diets". I don't know how to summarize that movie in a way that makes him interested in it without writing it off as pseudoscience before even looking into it. And that's the gist I've gotten from many of my friends too - the doubt can be overwhelming when you're not willing to spend lots of hours doing research or finding health professionals who already did so.
Uh yeah besides the fact that they still need to lie a bunch or spread terrible science. If it's so great and awesome you would have more convincing evidence. FYI people aren't that dumb... if so many people are questioning you and you can't provide the answer.. maybe it's you who is the problem not them for questioning you. Ever even have that thought in your head?
@@EMunaBee Most of the science is a complete joke... any real scientist would simply laugh. Like the cock measuring thing... complete bs shows they are really grasping to make a point here. Why would you need to bring up the most BS study out there? ON top of that everything they didn't mention...how food is metabolized, absorbed, nutrients missing etc etc. Omitting information to prove your bs point is still lying...
The documentary has made my sister and her partner transition their family right off the bat. I'm keeping your videos under my belt for when they get bombarded with false "science" like Joe puts out
You lucky lucky woman. My mom won't even consider, never mind trying, whole foods plant based, because of her obsession for meat and appeal to authority, even though my dad has been out of work for years, doesn't have a gallbladder anymore, takes expensive yet useless meds and doctor visits out of desperation, and is in massive pain (he has admitted he wants his misery put to an end and of course my mom had nothing to say to that). Oh and she nearly died of high cholesterol and had to make diet restrictions and do fasting but she'll forget that ever happened. I guess I have to watch them tear themselves apart until there is nothing of them left?
Joe "I care about the environment and logic but my ego is too damn high to agree that veganism is actually a good thing...because I'm a hunter and manly man" Rogan
Thank you so much for posting this! So many people listen to Joe Rogan. It's so sad that he doesn't always portray science well. I love all of your videos! Keep making great content. You always inspire me to keep posting on my channel!
James Cameron has a large share in a pea protein company and has brought in investors like Arnold Schwarzenegger. How come you guys never wanna talk about that? Clearly they couldn't be promoting a human dog food diet provided by a company they own? No way, they do it for your health and the environment.
@@blairmaffin3287 Being funded by a group with a stake in the matter being discussed should not be a disqualifier, at best should only make you more skeptical. I'm sure Mic knows this as he's said it before, but regardless he still mentions it as if it were an argument to invalidate their claims, which is not. He should stop doing this or apply the same standard to defenders of veganism like you said.
top quality high protein bread and 100% peanut butter sandwiches - easy 20g of protein on top of carbs and fats for weight gain. works well for me to chuck them in between meals =)
Mic makes a 15 min video with only FACTS. Joe makes a 2 hour and 30 minute podcast with zero links, zero sources and ZERO sense. I feel sorry for the people that take advice from this human amoeba...
Patrik has called Joe out a couple of times. I’m sure Joe watched the videos, got triggered and now pretends to not know who he is and just talks sh!t about him whenever he can.
Mic you really hit every nail on the head with this one! I watched Happy Healthy Vegan's video on it and had the exact same thoughts that you added as well. Great job!!!
What is it with Joe Rogan and Piers Morgan obsessing and bent on trying to find anything wrong with veganism? Sounds more like fragile masculinity and cognitive dissonance if you ask me.🙄🤦♂️
“Hong Kong has the world’s highest meat consumption, and the highest life expectancy. The people of India eat little meat, and have a high rate of cardiovascular disease. “While the evidence presented above is illustrative or associational only, and not 100% conclusive, it pokes a serious hole in the mainstream “plant-based” dogma that meat is unhealthy. Meat is in fact healthy, as is saturated fat. The real dietary culprits of our current epidemic of bad health and obesity are seed oils, sugar, and refined carbohydrates.”
@@stefdiazdiaz7067 "The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) and the Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO) of the United Nations in 2018 estimated India’s per capita consumption of fresh dairy products - like milk, curd and buttermilk - in 2017 to be 84 kg, among the highest in the world. It is 53% higher than the global average. " They still eat a fuckton of saturated fats and animal protein, it's just mostly from dairy rather than meat. And meat consumption varies widely in India, not all of the population is vegetarian for religious reasons. Many regions are known to eat more meat, like Kerala, West Bengal,Goa,Tamil Nadu and surprise, they're the regions with the highest risk for heart disease. thewire.in/uncategorised/mapping-the-consumption-of-milk-and-meat-in-india www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/science/heart-disease-stroke-among-top-killers-in-india/article24935985.ece
It's hard to be logical when you have a financial incentive to be illogical. I've only been vegan for a few years but in that time I've noticed that people are more excepting and there are a lot more vegan options available. It gives me a lot of hope for the future.
Remember that time Joe Rogan talked down to Kevin Smith for going vegan *after he SURVIVED A HEART ATTACK?* Vegan propaganda tho. Elk tho. Chris Kresser tho. Bull cocks causing traffic accidents tho. Yep. That's the progression we've come to.
A couple of years ago I showed my family forks over knives, and they were like, “it’s so so.” Yesterday we watched the game changers together, and afterwards I asked them what they thought. They all said this is the most convincing documentary that you’ve showed us, but we’re still not going vegan. So, kudos to the game changers. Still working on my family...
I would love to show my perfect cholesterol, blood pressure, BMI, triglycerides etc to joe Rogan. Even my Dr was almost confused how everything could be perfect at my age. I would love to ask him how am I unhealthy if everything is perfect?
Uploaded a debunk to this same clip of joe to my channel yesterday. Crazy what kinds of things he conjures up in his head. Great video Mic! #plantpower 🥦🍎🙏🏼😄
I agree with everything you're saying and I'm on my 3rd year being vegan. But that cyclist was not leg pressing 500 + lbs on the leg press. She was quarter repping that shit at best 😂
I assume you're referring to butcher box? They sell grass fed and finished beef, not factory farmed beef. support.butcherbox.com/hc/en-us/articles/360009696473-Where-does-ButcherBox-meat-come-from- Also, please have a look into regenerative agriculture. Grass fed and finished beef can actually be a carbon sink and help improve the soil quality for the environment around them.
@@blairmaffin3287 But that is not the message he sends to his viewers. His message is that without meat your health is f**ked, which is both factually wrong, and perpetuates the notion that meat should be eaten in big quantities. And you can't provide meat for 8 billion people in big quantities without factory farming... So Joe is saying one thing and doing another, which makes him a biased, ignorant, uninformed hypocrite.
@@MindVersusMisery I beg to differ. I support local farmers not some large fruit/veg company that flies food in a from different country. I've eaten a fully meat based diet since January this year and I've had all my health markers improve. Body fat% down nearly 10% Lean mass has stayed at 160lbs Fat mass dropped 60 lbs Energy levels up a lot Sexual health improved Mental health improved Memory improved Digestion improved Triglycerides down 50% HDL nearly doubled Inflammation decreased to nothing I don't really care what the vegan propaganda machine wants to try to tell me about their "science". It's wrong. I was vegan at a previous point in my life and felt like crap for the majority of it. Bloated, hungry, lethargic, etc. You know what I'm talking about. All that is gone. Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming it was all meat. I made other changes and I think the biggest confounders are eliminating process foods, sugars and vegetable oils. I think that those are some of the key items that people eliminate when they go vegan and feel better but you all think it's because they eliminated meat. Meat is healthy. We have millions of years eating meat to prove it is needed and healthy. You couldn't have been vegan 200 years ago without eating a deficient diet. Being fully vegan is a fad diet of the last 50 years that has been propped up by poor epidemiological science. Anyways, if being vegan works for you, I'm glad you've found your thing 🍻
@@blairmaffin3287 I would say that if you we're eating a vegan diet and consumed lots of processed foods, like oils and sugar, than of course that is not what I am talking about either. A vegan lifestyle is about animal ethics, and a vegan diet can either be healthy or unhealthy. A vegan diet says more about what you DON'T eat, rather than what you DO eat. So even though I strongly respect people leaving out animal products of their diet for ethical reasons, I promote healthy eating as well. And the best diet to my understanding, after reading up on this for about 5-6 years, is a diet centered around whole plant foods; Whole grains, legumes, nuts, seeds, fruits and vegetables. Basing your diet on animal products first of all very unethical, since it entails both exploitation of other sentient beings, and violence and killing of these beings. Then we have the agricultural impact of either using grains for food for animals, or using up massive acres of land for grazing. Both of these scenarios are bad for ecology and/or wildlife. But beyond all that I am certain that you're not doing yourself a favor regarding your health. Losing weight and improving biomarkers is probably not from increasing meat in your diet, but from eating less processed foods. And if you were to eat whole plant foods, you would probably have the same results or even better. I'm saying this with great humility, not in a critical way. I hope you're not setting yourself up for heart disease or other degenerative diseases. But the science I've read, even long before going vegan, says that eating high saturated fats, cholesterol and animal protein is very bad for human health. Lastly, thanks for keeping a civilized tone. Not many people can handle the TH-cam comment section. :)
Um grass fed is literally the opposite of factory farming...why is it you guys need to lie about literally everything? Maybe if you didn't need to lie so much people would take you more seriously...
When I was drunk for the first time my friend brought me Doritos and I drunkingly explained i was only allowed the sweet Chili here in Canada like.. lol..never got drunk and thrown my beliefs out the window..
I ask myself why do vegans want me to eat vegetables instead of meat. And the answer is simple. They want the the world to work better. But why does joe want me to eat meat?... Because someone paid him to say it.
New vegan here. I HATE that when omnivores have health issues they are nowhere near as quick to challenge their diet but if a vegan sneezes, “man, veganism is killing you”. I say this as someone who seldom ate meat. I did eat fish and eggs (maybe 4 out of 21 meals in the week) but I’m going all in. I can’t justify using animal products anymore. If my fitness suffers, I will examine where I’m deficient and supplement. I’m not just going to jump back to fish. I hope I prove the Joe Rogans of the world wrong.
The problem I had with the movie is they called a couple of clearly juiced and geared up bodybuilders “natural” halfway through. It made me question the rest of the whole movie. And I’m trying to go vegan myself.
Where did you get that information? Regardless of your source, the film and the science show that people CAN get sufficient protein from plants. Plant proteins are bundled with fiber and other macro and micronutrients, so any difference in bioavailability is likely due to that.
I WISH JOE WOULD HAVE YOU @micthevegan AS A GUEST!!!! I'm so sick of him and his unnecessary hate on vegans. I mean damn, don't you have a fight or something scheduled? I just don't get why he hates on veganism so much. It works and it's been proven to work. Just move on with your life man! It can exist with those that aren't vegan.
Anecdotal, but I share my daughter with her mom a few days every week. My daughter develops facial acne when she is with her mom, which is not aware of the effects of dairy and meat on inflammation and acne. My daughter is aware of the effects meat and dairy, and connection with acne. I make sure to feed her to a vegan diet to help reduce the inflammation to deal with the acne. By the time she returns to her mom's house, her acne gone quickly. This is anecdotal, but I have personally seen the effects in teenagers.
Does anyone have an actual source for Tim Shieff ever being in the game changers? I saw it at Sundance in January 2018 and he was not interviewed or mentioned at all. there may have been a 3-second clip of him doing parkour but I doubt it. He was never on the cast list on the games changers website even before he stopped being vegan if I recall correctly. I guess it isn't surprising that "not dr Shawn Baker" makes up lies. Also great video as always Mic!
I recall he was just briefly mentioned, but was probably cut really early as he started his downward spiral. The production of the film took quite some time, as well as the release.
That's funny! "Who uses five tablespoons of peanut butter to make a peanut butter sandwich?" The question is: who uses no bread to make a peanut butter sandwich?
Very good as always. Many points well presented. Thanks. Amazing ostrich in sand attitude all around us, I wish people like Joe Rogan would put their egos aside for a bit, watch films like The game changers with attention and an open mind, and if its reasoning gets tgrough to them bravely admit they have changed their attitude.
I watched a video by a channel called 'Dr. Ryan Lowery' which is basically an hour long "debunking" of the documentary. There was a couple little strawman arguments I saw but also a lot that seemed on face value like semi decent rebuttals. I was just wondering if you're wanting to do a similar video going over his rebuttals?
Take a look at Shawn Bakers review of Game Changers. He goes through the film scene by scene, discussing the evidence presented. He also points out that most of the athletes featured either were never vegan or achieved their best performances before going vegan.th-cam.com/video/cVJ4qb4ORtA/w-d-xo.html
Mic, you were on FIRE with this video, which is saying a lot considering the consistent quality of your videos. Thanks for reminding me of why I went vegan more than 3 years ago (you were the one who educated and inspired me to quit keto)!
I have a friend who listens to Rogan and seems to believe everything he says. It sucks to have one of my closest friends vehemently argue that a vegan diet is extremist garbage, spouting Roganisms nearly verbatim. I just wish that he'd try it and confirm or disconfirm the merits of a vegan diet for himself. Maybe one day.
Wanna be friends so I can tell you how awesome my carnivore diet is and then I can shit on you all over the internet when you don't try it? On a serious note here, former vegan here, the vegan agenda makes me want to puke. I bought it based on what I thought was good science. Then I actually looked into for myself instead of watching idiots like Mic here spout bs that they think is true just because they've said it between themselves 1000 times. That makes it all true doesn't it? You felt better going vegan by cutting out processed foods. Get meat back in your diet before you whither away and get brain disease. Edit: enjoy life and open your mind up that there is more than one way for people to eat. If you're happy doing you, I'm happy for you. Please stop telling other people how to eat though. The science is massively flawed. Have a good life ✌
The only person who criticizes vegans more than Joe Rogan is Shawn Baker... Anyone who cites Shawn Baker for information has lost all credibility in my opinion... The double standard for vegan athletes is huge (a career ending injury is because they were vegan, yet any omnivore athlete's injury has nothing to do with diet) No one talks about people who "give up" on Keto and eat some carbs when they are drunk....
Okay, I watched it... That's easily one of the best talks of its kind I've seen. I'm surprised I hadn't heard of him. I gave up meat and then animal products about a year after that was released, incidentally, and initially for purely environmental sustainability reasons, but I wonder what seeing that talk would have done earlier.
@@SolarScion I know, I couldn't believe I didn't see that TED Talk until much later! I made the connection after watching James Aspey's speech "This is your wakeup call" :) Cheers!
Disclaimer: was vegan for 3 years. Went whole food vegan with my mother because we believed it was her best shot at beating cancer. It wasn't. Due to some crazy side effects which lead to a perforated bowel I was left trying to figure out how to stop my mom's insane weight loss. No way to eat enough vegetables to sustain her. She was unable to consume more than maybe 1/2 cup to 1 cup of mass per day. Add to that chemo was no longer an option and her aggressive ovarian cancer was fired back up and growing at an all time high rate. While searching for the most calorie dense foods on planet Earth in hopes of sustaining my mother I found keto. Out of simplicity sake I abandoned veganism as well to make buying and preparing food easier. Being a full time care giver is no easy task I was getting nearly 2000 calories a day in her in a red Solo cup. It was a high fat high protein shake I made with various oils and protein powders. Plus some things like magnesium she desperately needed. She went from losing a pound a day and wasting away to gaining weight. And getting stronger. Soon she was walking. And her pain from her cancer was lessening. It seemed to be a miracle. At the same time I was losing weight faster than I ever had eating vegan. And as a bonus I didn't have to eat every 3 freaking hours to stay full. In fact I was so satiated I normally only ate twice a day. This made my life so much easier. At a time when I needed all of the help I could get. Then her next oncologist visit. The cancer has stopped growing. What?!?! This cancer that went through 8 different chemo protocols that none of them barely slowed down was now stopped! Insanity. The next month we went in again. More scans. The cancer was stable. Doctors mind blow. Our minds blown. Then a few weeks later the unthinkable. The perforated bowel that had never 100% healed ruptured. She was unable to survive that. Anecdotal you say? Ok For every piece of literature you can show me that indicates plant diets are best I can show you one that says animal bases diets are best One to one. All day long I left my career to care for my mother. Nearly 5 years I did nothing but care for my mom and read every piece of research I could get my hands on. It was my life. Because it was my mother's life. You want to be vegan for ethical reasons? Great. I wish you well. You want to sell this bullshit agenda that a plant diet is best? Get bent. You do not have the scientific or evolutionary high road there. Just stop. You make yourself look stupid.
I am sorry also... I sentiment your thoughts I see many people breaking down from the diet, but it’s never the diet. Im just tired of the lies and deceit.. Please continue telling your story! And I wish the best to you!
Loved the movie and I'm certain he didn't watch it in its entirety. Imagine being Joe, my god, just to have to wake up with his thoughts and what's left of his brain.
Joe Rogan knows you can be vegan and healthy. He totally gets it. He isn't stupid, he just doesn't care about animals. So showing how people can do well on a vegan diet ignores the real issue. It's that people don't care enough about animals. We need to focus on getting people to care more about animals, if we want them to change. That is what it boils down to in the end.
As someone who grew up with the nickname hotdog and was pushed into disability by the Rogan sort of male ego, I've been needing a film like Game Changers to speak for me. I've argued this position since 2012.
'Mic' drop!
Most drug addicts relapse & go back to doing drugs so doing drugs is good.
WHoa, thats sum LOGIXXX right there! *Checkmate veeguns!!*
😂🤣😂🤣 this just made my day
Drop the mic!!!!!!
Excellent point!
All drugs are vegan lol
He honestly sounds like he watched the trailer, then went and googled reasons they were wrong. He's showing his audience he thinks they're to stupid to notice. Unfortunate.
Good one. Hope as many as possible recognize that insult to their intelligence
Would not be surprised.
The movie is loaded with pseudo science...that part is still 100% true.
Jason Gauthier I agree with you completely. I recently switched to a plant-based diet about a month and a half ago and at around that same time started listening to a lot of health-based TH-cam documentaries, podcasts, etc. including several of Joe’s podcasts and I usually enjoy his podcast but when he gets on rants of anti-Veganism it’s quite annoying. I don’t strictly listen to pro vegan info because sadly when people are firm believers in something all they tend to tell you about is all the positives and never mention the negatives so it’s nice to listen to both sides and then if necessary do a bit of research to see which side is providing more accurate info. Joe is a smart guy and his podcast are quite entertaining typically but he does everything he can to sway the conversation drastically toward his beliefs so his podcasts tend to lead me to do more research. IMHO your body doesn’t care where it get the nutrients as long as it gets them and there is literally nothing that you can’t get from a plant based Whole Foods diet if you plan out/monitor your diet.
It felt impossible to watch because it was blatant propoganda and was very obviously crafting a dishonest narrative.
I read this study once that Joe Rogan totally makes up like 90% of his statistics on the spot. Or maybe it was a third. Nah, it was totally 90%.
Hehe! I see what you did there...😁
Excellent !!!
:D
You can hear mouse clicks but those fake... he's actually pulling his stats straight out of his ass
He constantly tells one of his guys “hey, google XXXXX” and then takes the result as gospel🙄
He sounds utterly ridiculous and completely uneducated. You don’t need to debunk him... he does that quite well himself. But your videos are always so witty and funny!! Thanks Mic 🎤!!
Tho, like with President Ding Dong, it's obvious to people who are better at critical thinking, that Trump is a scam artist, with Joe, most (meat eaters) are just going to go along with what he says. Not going to convince them otherwise. For those people who are dipping a toe into veganism, Mic's vid helps with the confusing messaging on the topic. So, like you said, thanks Mic! :)
Achaeos Salisbury Can already tell
you’re a moron & don’t need any responses from anyone.
i just remeber reading russell brands quote "i shall have heroin, but i shan't have a hamburger". even at his highest junkie moments he wouldn't slip. have several seats meat eaters
LMAOOO period
So you listen to the ramblings of a junkie under the influence of heroin? You go giirrrlllllll.........
my favorite from that interview was when Joe told Russell he had been exposed to too much "vegan propaganda", and he said something like " ah yes, propaganda, I remember him! from the nazis!"
@@thisplaceisdeath1465 *ex junkie
@@thisplaceisdeath1465 trot along
It's actually kinda sad he doesn't realize how ridiculously stupid he makes himself sound with this outright bogus claims podcast after podcast
Truly. They know so little about the compassion we feel for them holding on, as if they are going to die. Their entire identity is threatened by living with principle and sticking to it.
He's so sloppy in his research.
@CatrineEkatrom what research?😂😂😂
@@bipolardep Lol! Google searches, I mean.
Carina Ekström Joe doesn't do research, he comes upon ideas Forrest Gump style.
You can’t spell joke without joe
Bravo!
Only vegans can make dank jokes like this. xD
Joe's insecurity is on the loose again. Someone better go catch it!!
I was Thinking along the lines of Bro (as in bro science) Rogan
Can't spell arrogant without Rogan
32 years, no meat. No diet related illnesses. Not going back - EVER!
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19 vegetarian, 14 vegan....Same with me.
Plus I started cutting out certain meats (such as beef) at age nine and prior to going vegetarian the only thing that was left was fish and seafood.
@@nataliaa.1094
That's good!
YOU MUST BE LOOKING LIKE A ZOMBIE now.
How do you know if someone is an anti vegan?
Don't worry he'll tell you.
can say the same about vegans
I thought the answer was going to be 'because they are educated and understand there is no good enough science either way'.. Neither mind.
@@ProductionBandit not really. This video is one example. This is like the 6th time Joe has a podcast doing nothing but demonizing veganism.
@@deslawson2662 no good enough science either way? I don't think so. There's over 70 years of surveyic, clinical, and mechanistic research showing both the benefits of plant foods and the detriments if animal based ones.
@@mycelia_ow no there isn't.... Talk to me about the mechanisms that animal products drive disease.
“You aren’t an activist for the status quo”. Made me lol
Joe "i'm a certified bro so you can trust everything I say" Rogan.
But wait a minute, he smokes weed, did DMT a few times in his life and always makes sure to pronounce it "N,N-Dimethyltryptamine
", which means he's uber Liberal, so all sides of the political spectrum can trust him implicitly; woo!
its frustrating how so many people are going to be mislead by listening to Joe's bogus inaccurate statements
From what I've heard, the comments are debunking Joe.
If they die they die.
@Sierra VandeVosse how many studies have you read? Vegan propaganda "science" is horribly done. Have some critical thinking of your own and stop lapping up the piss of these vegan cultists. Do your own research and stop being a hypocrite. The science is far from settled and "proven"
@@blairmaffin3287 Vegan propaganda? Seriously? Yes, everyone is biased if you haven't fucking heard. Everyone has a bias, just like you do and in what you're showing right now with your own "propaganda". Vegan cultists? Really? We don't worship a specific being or object and our ethics aren't sinister or or strange. All we want is for animals not to be harmed or exploited as much as practical and possible, but sure, if you want to call having empathy a cult, go ahead. You sound extremely insecure for someone who is so sure of themselves. Trust me, we have critical thinking and we look at scientific evidence and what it has concluded so far (though vegans are based on an ethical standpoint since it isn't a diet, it's an animal rights movement), and for you to tell someone to stop lapping up the piss of people speaking on veganism and treating animals with basic respect it sure looks like you've got your tongue out waiting for the other side to piss into your mouth in order to fuel your own set of beliefs.
Then they will all feel sorry for us as they choke on decaying dead bodies and puss. They're like "Think of your health, you poor emaciated vegan.. :`( have some carcass before you faint "
*“Joe critisezes Patrick for his heigh, when he's actually the same heigh as him.”*
That one got me 😂
Yeah, it's a tough world for short people, specially men.
actually patrick was 7 foot 3 then after he went vegan shrunk to 5“7
It would take a big man to admit that he was wrong. Bigger than Joe anyway.
He is 1.71m, that is not very short. It is short for a strongman but not that short for a normal person. It is even more impressive that he is a strongman despite his height.
Joe's killed so many elk. Each dead elk is 1 whole inch added to his height, at least in his own brain.
*Facts And Logic Destroy Joe Rogan Nonsense Every Time*
Yep, true dat!!
Ree. X100
Facts and logic destroy vegan nonsense every time. Example: th-cam.com/video/kFTeZ7JETgI/w-d-xo.html
@Ortodox Abulmughayyis Denial is strong with you. Even your vegan gurus unwittingly admit that plants are inferior food - e.g. Dr Greger's daily dozen.
I wish mic would go on joes podcast because the one thing he’s never had as a guest is a vegan activist. He’s only had passive vegans who are there to talk about other things. Joe was even pushy towards Russell brand and insisted that he eat eggs.
Completely agree. A vegan activist would dismantle every ridiculous thing he says...
Or better yet, get the Mad Researcher himself on the show - Dr. Greger!
Joe had Mike Tyson on the show. But he did not dare to bad mouth veganism one bit. It wasnt even mentioned
My boyfriend constantly listens to Joe Rogan podcasts and I can't help but laugh ..that guy is such an idiot with what he says. I LOVE that you yet again put Joe Rogan to shame.
The same! But even my meat eating boyfriend thinks that Joe's obsession over vegans are ridiculous.
Your bf must be a real joker lol
Nice taste in guys...smike some dmt bro
Joe knows he’s wrong he just values his self indulgent lifestyle over having integrity.
"Here at Tegrity Farms..." XD
“The Game Changers” great documentary... I’m recommending to everyone I know ;)
I had a feeling to sit down and pull up a vegan documentary for my boyfriend who is a college athlete. He also likes Jo Rogan. I NEED TO SHOW HIM GAME CHANGERS AND THIS VIDEO
You need to! 💞
Please do
It's on Netflix, video and Itunes
Whose meat did Joe Rogan eat when he was drunk?
Joe doesn’t have to be drunk to eat meat 😏
Frank Tofano's
I really hope he sees your comment...lol
He ate 90% of meats
Game Changers is a great movie. It’s really the first movie I can recommend to my non-vegan friends and family because it’s just really well produced, entertaining, and not “preachy”. It doesn’t make it all sound like some big conspiracy, it’s just a great movie about some elite athletes who found a way to improve their performance and recovery. I also love that they clearly cite all their evidence for anyone who wants to further investigate the science.
Thank you for saying that. I tried a few others, no one even wanted to watch. I wasn't sure if this is the one to show, but was thinking about it.
I felt the same way. It's also the first one that I felt was good enough to recommend to my doctor. His response was "I don't have time to watch a movie about food. I have much professional material I need to follow, but you can summarize and give us the essence. Otherwise you'll have to contact someone who knows something about alternative diets". I don't know how to summarize that movie in a way that makes him interested in it without writing it off as pseudoscience before even looking into it. And that's the gist I've gotten from many of my friends too - the doubt can be overwhelming when you're not willing to spend lots of hours doing research or finding health professionals who already did so.
Uh yeah besides the fact that they still need to lie a bunch or spread terrible science. If it's so great and awesome you would have more convincing evidence.
FYI people aren't that dumb... if so many people are questioning you and you can't provide the answer.. maybe it's you who is the problem not them for questioning you. Ever even have that thought in your head?
@@ykonratev what lie?
@@EMunaBee Most of the science is a complete joke... any real scientist would simply laugh. Like the cock measuring thing... complete bs shows they are really grasping to make a point here. Why would you need to bring up the most BS study out there?
ON top of that everything they didn't mention...how food is metabolized, absorbed, nutrients missing etc etc. Omitting information to prove your bs point is still lying...
It's quite an achievement, to hold a conversation where both parties involved just make one false and easily refutable point after another.
It's called a circlejerk, every group does it to be fair, even vegans.
@@kazuoua lol words right out of my mouth
My veganism does not budge no matter how drunk I am lol.
right? if anything its amplified!
If I am drunk I become an extreme animal rights activist 😂
haha exactly! I become even more passionate about it!
avo toast after 5 or 6 drinks hits the fuckin spottttttt
I get drunk every saturday and I never ate meat after that...
It seems like he has deleted all of those comments you showed on his video. That's messed up!
The documentary has made my sister and her partner transition their family right off the bat. I'm keeping your videos under my belt for when they get bombarded with false "science" like Joe puts out
You lucky lucky woman. My mom won't even consider, never mind trying, whole foods plant based, because of her obsession for meat and appeal to authority, even though my dad has been out of work for years, doesn't have a gallbladder anymore, takes expensive yet useless meds and doctor visits out of desperation, and is in massive pain (he has admitted he wants his misery put to an end and of course my mom had nothing to say to that). Oh and she nearly died of high cholesterol and had to make diet restrictions and do fasting but she'll forget that ever happened. I guess I have to watch them tear themselves apart until there is nothing of them left?
@@zackisherep9246 take them to the movie?
Dude's a bad faith actor; his only motive is cashmoney, integrity be damned.
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Joe Rogan. One word. Hypertension. Try eating some plants love 🌱
Joe "I care about the environment and logic but my ego is too damn high to agree that veganism is actually a good thing...because I'm a hunter and manly man" Rogan
LI TH - He’s probably gay. Just saying.
I don't get why everyone loves this guy's podcast, I get he has some interesting guests, but he's just spouting nonsense most of the time
most people are not too bright apparently
People want good news about their bad habits
It's mostly about the guests. He is good at conversations so he gets 2-3 hours out of interesting people often in a way othet interviewers don't
Most people are idiots. That's why.
"The Lame Changers: Fueled By E. Coli" 🤣🤣 that's hilarious mic haha
"Can you google something to confirm my biases Google gimp"
That meat company advertised on Maron’s podcast and that was the last time I listened to it.
Thank you so much for posting this! So many people listen to Joe Rogan. It's so sad that he doesn't always portray science well. I love all of your videos! Keep making great content. You always inspire me to keep posting on my channel!
Joe is clearly sponsored by the meat industry.
I wouldn't say "the" meat industry but definitely "a" meat company.
James Cameron has a large share in a pea protein company and has brought in investors like Arnold Schwarzenegger. How come you guys never wanna talk about that? Clearly they couldn't be promoting a human dog food diet provided by a company they own? No way, they do it for your health and the environment.
@@blairmaffin3287 Being funded by a group with a stake in the matter being discussed should not be a disqualifier, at best should only make you more skeptical. I'm sure Mic knows this as he's said it before, but regardless he still mentions it as if it were an argument to invalidate their claims, which is not. He should stop doing this or apply the same standard to defenders of veganism like you said.
top quality high protein bread and 100% peanut butter sandwiches - easy 20g of protein on top of carbs and fats for weight gain. works well for me to chuck them in between meals =)
Mic makes a 15 min video with only FACTS. Joe makes a 2 hour and 30 minute podcast with zero links, zero sources and ZERO sense. I feel sorry for the people that take advice from this human amoeba...
Haven't eaten meat in over 12 years and I never ate meat when I was drunk
Same here. They talk absolute bollocks
Your poor boyfriend
You wouldn't remember
21 years and me too!
@@SebastienBlades If she bit it off I would be worried.
Vegans taste better BTW FACT
Patrik has called Joe out a couple of times. I’m sure Joe watched the videos, got triggered and now pretends to not know who he is and just talks sh!t about him whenever he can.
Haah if this is true.. it'd be pretty sad.
"you can't be an activist for the status quo"
Dying! 😆😆😆😆😅😅😅
joe, joe, joe...
get it together.
Mic you really hit every nail on the head with this one! I watched Happy Healthy Vegan's video on it and had the exact same thoughts that you added as well. Great job!!!
Awesome video, Mic! Planning on watching Game Changers tonight so perfect timing! Thanks
Someone who has a Netflix account, let me use it real quick to watch The Game Changers. Thanks in advance.
Or it's less than $5 on TH-cam
What is it with Joe Rogan and Piers Morgan obsessing and bent on trying to find anything wrong with veganism? Sounds more like fragile masculinity and cognitive dissonance if you ask me.🙄🤦♂️
Imagine dying at 95, reason of death: 'unknown but was vegan' 😂😂😂
“Hong Kong has the world’s highest meat consumption, and the highest life expectancy. The people of India eat little meat, and have a high rate of cardiovascular disease.
“While the evidence presented above is illustrative or associational only, and not 100% conclusive, it pokes a serious hole in the mainstream “plant-based” dogma that meat is unhealthy. Meat is in fact healthy, as is saturated fat. The real dietary culprits of our current epidemic of bad health and obesity are seed oils, sugar, and refined carbohydrates.”
@@stefdiazdiaz7067 "The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) and the Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO) of the United Nations in 2018 estimated India’s per capita consumption of fresh dairy products - like milk, curd and buttermilk - in 2017 to be 84 kg, among the highest in the world. It is 53% higher than the global average.
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They still eat a fuckton of saturated fats and animal protein, it's just mostly from dairy rather than meat. And meat consumption varies widely in India, not all of the population is vegetarian for religious reasons. Many regions are known to eat more meat, like Kerala, West Bengal,Goa,Tamil Nadu and surprise, they're the regions with the highest risk for heart disease.
thewire.in/uncategorised/mapping-the-consumption-of-milk-and-meat-in-india
www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/science/heart-disease-stroke-among-top-killers-in-india/article24935985.ece
Cooper 95+
@@stefdiazdiaz7067 india eats insane amounts of dairy
@@g.h7657 the only relatively good thing they can afford lol
It's hard to be logical when you have a financial incentive to be illogical. I've only been vegan for a few years but in that time I've noticed that people are more excepting and there are a lot more vegan options available. It gives me a lot of hope for the future.
Joe has gone full Trump now. Unsubed from him months ago. He is now with the dark side
Remember that time Joe Rogan talked down to Kevin Smith for going vegan *after he SURVIVED A HEART ATTACK?*
Vegan propaganda tho.
Elk tho.
Chris Kresser tho.
Bull cocks causing traffic accidents tho.
Yep.
That's the progression we've come to.
A couple of years ago I showed my family forks over knives, and they were like, “it’s so so.” Yesterday we watched the game changers together, and afterwards I asked them what they thought. They all said this is the most convincing documentary that you’ve showed us, but we’re still not going vegan. So, kudos to the game changers. Still working on my family...
Love, love, love how you cleverly put smart humor into your videos along with the amazing content. Huge fan!
I've been Vegan for 2.5 years and I love whiskey.... Still haven't eaten any animal FLESH.. Even drunk. 🥃cheers🥃
I would love to show my perfect cholesterol, blood pressure, BMI, triglycerides etc to joe Rogan. Even my Dr was almost confused how everything could be perfect at my age. I would love to ask him how am I unhealthy if everything is perfect?
I’m glad your channel exists. Thank you. I’m currently making lifestyle changes with veganism as the end goal... dairy has been hard for me to kick.
Uploaded a debunk to this same clip of joe to my channel yesterday. Crazy what kinds of things he conjures up in his head. Great video Mic! #plantpower 🥦🍎🙏🏼😄
Boom
Joe use to do taekwondo just listen to any of his podcasts he will tell you, anyway he's probably been kicked in the head one too many times.
I have been waiting for this video of yours to come out!
I agree with everything you're saying and I'm on my 3rd year being vegan. But that cyclist was not leg pressing 500 + lbs on the leg press. She was quarter repping that shit at best 😂
Yep. And Mic calls it a squat. Jfc
Joe "I disapprove of factory farming yet I provide a huge platform for meat propaganda" Rogan
I assume you're referring to butcher box? They sell grass fed and finished beef, not factory farmed beef.
support.butcherbox.com/hc/en-us/articles/360009696473-Where-does-ButcherBox-meat-come-from-
Also, please have a look into regenerative agriculture. Grass fed and finished beef can actually be a carbon sink and help improve the soil quality for the environment around them.
@@blairmaffin3287 But that is not the message he sends to his viewers. His message is that without meat your health is f**ked, which is both factually wrong, and perpetuates the notion that meat should be eaten in big quantities. And you can't provide meat for 8 billion people in big quantities without factory farming... So Joe is saying one thing and doing another, which makes him a biased, ignorant, uninformed hypocrite.
@@MindVersusMisery I beg to differ. I support local farmers not some large fruit/veg company that flies food in a from different country. I've eaten a fully meat based diet since January this year and I've had all my health markers improve.
Body fat% down nearly 10%
Lean mass has stayed at 160lbs
Fat mass dropped 60 lbs
Energy levels up a lot
Sexual health improved
Mental health improved
Memory improved
Digestion improved
Triglycerides down 50%
HDL nearly doubled
Inflammation decreased to nothing
I don't really care what the vegan propaganda machine wants to try to tell me about their "science". It's wrong. I was vegan at a previous point in my life and felt like crap for the majority of it. Bloated, hungry, lethargic, etc. You know what I'm talking about. All that is gone.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming it was all meat. I made other changes and I think the biggest confounders are eliminating process foods, sugars and vegetable oils. I think that those are some of the key items that people eliminate when they go vegan and feel better but you all think it's because they eliminated meat. Meat is healthy. We have millions of years eating meat to prove it is needed and healthy. You couldn't have been vegan 200 years ago without eating a deficient diet. Being fully vegan is a fad diet of the last 50 years that has been propped up by poor epidemiological science.
Anyways, if being vegan works for you, I'm glad you've found your thing 🍻
@@blairmaffin3287 I would say that if you we're eating a vegan diet and consumed lots of processed foods, like oils and sugar, than of course that is not what I am talking about either.
A vegan lifestyle is about animal ethics, and a vegan diet can either be healthy or unhealthy. A vegan diet says more about what you DON'T eat, rather than what you DO eat.
So even though I strongly respect people leaving out animal products of their diet for ethical reasons, I promote healthy eating as well.
And the best diet to my understanding, after reading up on this for about 5-6 years, is a diet centered around whole plant foods; Whole grains, legumes, nuts, seeds, fruits and vegetables.
Basing your diet on animal products first of all very unethical, since it entails both exploitation of other sentient beings, and violence and killing of these beings. Then we have the agricultural impact of either using grains for food for animals, or using up massive acres of land for grazing. Both of these scenarios are bad for ecology and/or wildlife.
But beyond all that I am certain that you're not doing yourself a favor regarding your health. Losing weight and improving biomarkers is probably not from increasing meat in your diet, but from eating less processed foods.
And if you were to eat whole plant foods, you would probably have the same results or even better. I'm saying this with great humility, not in a critical way.
I hope you're not setting yourself up for heart disease or other degenerative diseases. But the science I've read, even long before going vegan, says that eating high saturated fats, cholesterol and animal protein is very bad for human health.
Lastly, thanks for keeping a civilized tone. Not many people can handle the TH-cam comment section. :)
Um grass fed is literally the opposite of factory farming...why is it you guys need to lie about literally everything? Maybe if you didn't need to lie so much people would take you more seriously...
90% of meat-eaters eat chips when drunk
Loved Game Changers! Even my meat-eating husband actually said it gave him a lot to think about.
Game Changers was AMAZING
I kinda shocked how anyone can defend the game changers.
When I was drunk for the first time my friend brought me Doritos and I drunkingly explained i was only allowed the sweet Chili here in Canada like.. lol..never got drunk and thrown my beliefs out the window..
I ask myself why do vegans want me to eat vegetables instead of meat. And the answer is simple. They want the the world to work better.
But why does joe want me to eat meat?...
Because someone paid him to say it.
VEGAN MOTIVATION: Went vegan at 13, not rich, non vegan family, and still vegan 3 years later. If I can do it, so can you!
Vegan TH-camr btw
Vegan DEMOTIVATION. Was vegan for 6 years. Not anymore. It doesn't work.
@@gryphoncroat awww, show me where the beans hurt you on this diagram
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@@RedPillVegan it still doesn't work
@@gryphoncroat if it doesn't work then how are there perfectly healthy people who have been vegan for over 20 years
@@gryphoncroat YOU don't work, seemingly. Us vegans who have been so for decades are chilling. So speak for yourself, not about veganism
New vegan here. I HATE that when omnivores have health issues they are nowhere near as quick to challenge their diet but if a vegan sneezes, “man, veganism is killing you”. I say this as someone who seldom ate meat. I did eat fish and eggs (maybe 4 out of 21 meals in the week) but I’m going all in. I can’t justify using animal products anymore. If my fitness suffers, I will examine where I’m deficient and supplement. I’m not just going to jump back to fish. I hope I prove the Joe Rogans of the world wrong.
Bless you brother. Really appreciate your work so much
The problem I had with the movie is they called a couple of clearly juiced and geared up bodybuilders “natural” halfway through. It made me question the rest of the whole movie. And I’m trying to go vegan myself.
virtuazoso I think theirs a lot of deceit in the vegan world
“I just can’t with that” - re: Tim S. Same Mic, same.
One thing you didn’t mention about protein at the beginning was that plant protein is much less bioavailable to humans than animal protein.
Where did you get that information? Regardless of your source, the film and the science show that people CAN get sufficient protein from plants. Plant proteins are bundled with fiber and other macro and micronutrients, so any difference in bioavailability is likely due to that.
Joe Rogan is such a quack. I love seeing you tear apart his poorly researched rant.
Love your videos! Keep up the good work
I WISH JOE WOULD HAVE YOU @micthevegan AS A GUEST!!!!
I'm so sick of him and his unnecessary hate on vegans. I mean damn, don't you have a fight or something scheduled? I just don't get why he hates on veganism so much. It works and it's been proven to work. Just move on with your life man! It can exist with those that aren't vegan.
On a podcast I heard Joe Rogan is heavily sponsored by the meat industry...
It seems to work for him to polarize on that issue
Thanks for responding to this! ❤️
This guy Joe better calm himself down, all the meat makes his mood so negative
Ironic
Anecdotal, but I share my daughter with her mom a few days every week. My daughter develops facial acne when she is with her mom, which is not aware of the effects of dairy and meat on inflammation and acne. My daughter is aware of the effects meat and dairy, and connection with acne. I make sure to feed her to a vegan diet to help reduce the inflammation to deal with the acne. By the time she returns to her mom's house, her acne gone quickly. This is anecdotal, but I have personally seen the effects in teenagers.
If your daughter sees the benefits then she should ask her mom to make her vegan dishes.
Joe Rogan talks like someone who has done too many hallucinogens.
Happiest Vegan on Earth he's always high
Open your mind, but not so much that your brain falls out
Does anyone have an actual source for Tim Shieff ever being in the game changers? I saw it at Sundance in January 2018 and he was not interviewed or mentioned at all. there may have been a 3-second clip of him doing parkour but I doubt it. He was never on the cast list on the games changers website even before he stopped being vegan if I recall correctly. I guess it isn't surprising that "not dr Shawn Baker" makes up lies.
Also great video as always Mic!
I recall he was just briefly mentioned, but was probably cut really early as he started his downward spiral.
The production of the film took quite some time, as well as the release.
He needs to stop talking about veganism. Go away Joe. He’s so annoying.
Haha silly vegans
He has one of the biggest podcasts in the world. He's not going anywhere. People have their preferences, why react to it?
That's funny! "Who uses five tablespoons of peanut butter to make a peanut butter sandwich?" The question is: who uses no bread to make a peanut butter sandwich?
Thank you and keep up the good information! It’s sad that meat eaters keep attacking this movie because this is one of the best I’ve seen!
Dude I checked with Joe Rogan and that guy Bobby at the gym and they both said Game Changers is BS. So that’s a fact! Bro the science is in....
Very good as always. Many points well presented. Thanks. Amazing ostrich in sand attitude all around us, I wish people like Joe Rogan would put their egos aside for a bit, watch films like The game changers with attention and an open mind, and if its reasoning gets tgrough to them bravely admit they have changed their attitude.
@Cameron Rose ☺. Point.
I watched a video by a channel called 'Dr. Ryan Lowery' which is basically an hour long "debunking" of the documentary. There was a couple little strawman arguments I saw but also a lot that seemed on face value like semi decent rebuttals. I was just wondering if you're wanting to do a similar video going over his rebuttals?
I have not seen one of the debunks that actual debunks anything!! The Max one was one of the worst!!!
Take a look at Shawn Bakers review of Game Changers. He goes through the film scene by scene, discussing the evidence presented. He also points out that most of the athletes featured either were never vegan or achieved their best performances before going vegan.th-cam.com/video/cVJ4qb4ORtA/w-d-xo.html
Mic, you were on FIRE with this video, which is saying a lot considering the consistent quality of your videos. Thanks for reminding me of why I went vegan more than 3 years ago (you were the one who educated and inspired me to quit keto)!
I have a friend who listens to Rogan and seems to believe everything he says. It sucks to have one of my closest friends vehemently argue that a vegan diet is extremist garbage, spouting Roganisms nearly verbatim. I just wish that he'd try it and confirm or disconfirm the merits of a vegan diet for himself. Maybe one day.
Wanna be friends so I can tell you how awesome my carnivore diet is and then I can shit on you all over the internet when you don't try it?
On a serious note here, former vegan here, the vegan agenda makes me want to puke. I bought it based on what I thought was good science. Then I actually looked into for myself instead of watching idiots like Mic here spout bs that they think is true just because they've said it between themselves 1000 times. That makes it all true doesn't it?
You felt better going vegan by cutting out processed foods. Get meat back in your diet before you whither away and get brain disease.
Edit: enjoy life and open your mind up that there is more than one way for people to eat. If you're happy doing you, I'm happy for you. Please stop telling other people how to eat though. The science is massively flawed. Have a good life ✌
The only person who criticizes vegans more than Joe Rogan is Shawn Baker... Anyone who cites Shawn Baker for information has lost all credibility in my opinion... The double standard for vegan athletes is huge (a career ending injury is because they were vegan, yet any omnivore athlete's injury has nothing to do with diet) No one talks about people who "give up" on Keto and eat some carbs when they are drunk....
No views but 7 likes... pretty dope
I always like my own videos with 7 different accounts before posting!!! Kidding, wonder why tho.
@@MictheVegan Because people like the videos before they watch them .
How about today's like count Dude?
Forget the Drs and studies Joe says differently, and he always makes sure to have his facts straight😂
The anti-poaching guy is Damian Mander - he did an amazing TED Talk - look it up!!
Thanks, I will!
Okay, I watched it... That's easily one of the best talks of its kind I've seen. I'm surprised I hadn't heard of him.
I gave up meat and then animal products about a year after that was released, incidentally, and initially for purely environmental sustainability reasons, but I wonder what seeing that talk would have done earlier.
@@SolarScion I know, I couldn't believe I didn't see that TED Talk until much later! I made the connection after watching James Aspey's speech "This is your wakeup call" :) Cheers!
Disclaimer: was vegan for 3 years. Went whole food vegan with my mother because we believed it was her best shot at beating cancer. It wasn't.
Due to some crazy side effects which lead to a perforated bowel I was left trying to figure out how to stop my mom's insane weight loss. No way to eat enough vegetables to sustain her. She was unable to consume more than maybe 1/2 cup to 1 cup of mass per day.
Add to that chemo was no longer an option and her aggressive ovarian cancer was fired back up and growing at an all time high rate.
While searching for the most calorie dense foods on planet Earth in hopes of sustaining my mother I found keto. Out of simplicity sake I abandoned veganism as well to make buying and preparing food easier. Being a full time care giver is no easy task
I was getting nearly 2000 calories a day in her in a red Solo cup. It was a high fat high protein shake I made with various oils and protein powders. Plus some things like magnesium she desperately needed.
She went from losing a pound a day and wasting away to gaining weight. And getting stronger.
Soon she was walking. And her pain from her cancer was lessening. It seemed to be a miracle.
At the same time I was losing weight faster than I ever had eating vegan. And as a bonus I didn't have to eat every 3 freaking hours to stay full. In fact I was so satiated I normally only ate twice a day. This made my life so much easier. At a time when I needed all of the help I could get.
Then her next oncologist visit. The cancer has stopped growing. What?!?!
This cancer that went through 8 different chemo protocols that none of them barely slowed down was now stopped! Insanity.
The next month we went in again. More scans. The cancer was stable. Doctors mind blow. Our minds blown.
Then a few weeks later the unthinkable. The perforated bowel that had never 100% healed ruptured. She was unable to survive that.
Anecdotal you say? Ok
For every piece of literature you can show me that indicates plant diets are best I can show you one that says animal bases diets are best
One to one. All day long
I left my career to care for my mother. Nearly 5 years I did nothing but care for my mom and read every piece of research I could get my hands on. It was my life. Because it was my mother's life.
You want to be vegan for ethical reasons? Great. I wish you well.
You want to sell this bullshit agenda that a plant diet is best? Get bent. You do not have the scientific or evolutionary high road there. Just stop. You make yourself look stupid.
I am sorry also... I sentiment your thoughts I see many people breaking down from the diet, but it’s never the diet. Im just tired of the lies and deceit.. Please continue telling your story! And I wish the best to you!
Vegan for life!
Great video Mikey! And yeah, Damien Mander is awesome....they should make a movie about that guy's life....unreal
Loved the movie and I'm certain he didn't watch it in its entirety. Imagine being Joe, my god, just to have to wake up with his thoughts and what's left of his brain.
Joe Rogan knows you can be vegan and healthy. He totally gets it. He isn't stupid, he just doesn't care about animals. So showing how people can do well on a vegan diet ignores the real issue. It's that people don't care enough about animals. We need to focus on getting people to care more about animals, if we want them to change. That is what it boils down to in the end.
I think Joe Rogan needs to take the "erection test" and see how he fares! Game Changers was an awesome show. I watched it twice.
As someone who grew up with the nickname hotdog and was pushed into disability by the Rogan sort of male ego, I've been needing a film like Game Changers to speak for me. I've argued this position since 2012.