Here is the discord link! discord.gg/8dfcNtf - Within the server I have created "The Think Tank," a virtual forum which will be a place for panels, discussions, vegan business proposals, etc. I hosting a doctor panel with several doctors right after this video but it is over now. We discussed the DHA drama with VegSource and vegan doctors with the question, "Should vegans supplement DHA?" and many other topics such as "Why are vegan blood protein levels higher?" More events to come and we now have 500+ people in there!!
Mic the Vegan What about Dr. Rhonda Patrick Ph.D. in biomedical science that joe has had on many times. Her particular field of interest is longevity and optimal health... guess what vegans she eats meat... oh ‘thy’ glorious meat 😂
Sorry but this is a really shit and puerile response to Kresser's detailed (something you lack) dismantling of 'Gamechangers' which, above all else was based upon common sense. Once Vegans start making ridiculous claims and use other species diets as examples, you're really dead in the water.
Mic - here is a bran new video from "What I learned today" channel that I would love to see you debunk: th-cam.com/video/Ppkwby3mehU/w-d-xo.html Basically states "Bacon is not a health food but saying it gives you cancer isn't realistic"
The same way Dr. Berg the chiropractor does. They play on people's confirmation bias and tell them what they want to hear. Good news about bad habits, and all that.
I just don't trust Kresser. His stuff is all what he read or what a study he didn't even read critically said or what is popular. He doesn't really go into it. And the studies he uses can be torn apart far too easily. So when he says something I don't trust him, and when he gives a study I don't trust that either.
no wonder Kresser is a failed vegan, the guy probably avoided legumes and grains, and ate chocolate for protein.....(in between needling himself of course)
Anecdote time! Went vegan three years ago. Started rock climbing 7 months ago. I could barely climb a 5.7 when I started and still remember those damn pink holds that I struggled on. Today I on-sighted (climbed first try) a 5.10+ and sent a 5.11+. Hoping by the end of my first climbing year I can on-sight 5.12s. I have never felt as strong as I do now and I have played extremely competitive sports my entire life. The key is whole foods. Sell your microwave if you have to and buy an instant pot in it's place. It will subconsciously force you to make healthier foods.
What bothered me most about that podcast was the false idea that veganism or vegetarianism can work as a diet only if it's done 'perfectly'. As if we have lab coats, bunsen burners and test tubes in our kitchens. 'Time to make a sandwich...let me just grab my calculator and protien monitor.' It's all so ridiculous, and speaks volumes to how much they do not understand and yet purport to educate. The up side: I've been 'perfect' for 35 years!
It doesn't matter what Kresser says; it doesn't have to be true or honest. He and Rogan know this. It must be terrifying for anti-vegans to see a tiny fraction of the population do so well in sports. Thanks a lot for the research Mike.
@@KK-lg8uz I've been eating mostly plant based for idk more than 8 years now I think. The blood flow benefits alone are worth it. It's known that a properly planted vegan diet is appropriate for all stages of life. Most people don't know anything about nutrition. I do however. I'm married with a kid now and don't care about working out like I used to. I can still do almost 30 burpees in a minute and a few sets of sprints without issues at almost 40 though. I'd stay plant based for the sex life benefits alone. I'm not perfect all the time and there are better places to live as a vegan for sure, but it's still not an issue if you know what to eat
What shocked me the most was that the previous JR episode was with a vegan guy who makes amazing documentaries, Louis Psyhoyos. And, even after that amazing insightful talk, he went on to talk to Chris Kresser and agreed with everything he said like he had never heard anything else in his life...
Cholesterol hypothesis was never proven to be true In fact there are 3 randomized controlled trials that don’t agree with the lipid hypothesis! Minnesota Coronary Study Sydney Heart Study Corn Oil in the treatment of ischemic heart disease
@@VeganDefinition If it's a popularity contest, then Joe would be the winner by far. Not to mention the hours and hours of documented discussions he has had with doctors and nutritionists.
@@VeganDefinition Well they should have used a better example. A well known vegan fighter, perhaps. Oh wait... there aren't many of those around. I wonder why? 🤔
I’ve been Plant Based for over 6 years. I came from a clean omnivorous diet. I feel so much better on a healthy plant based diet. I’m in my 50’s on no medications and with a recent total cholesterol of 154. I actually would get hypoglycemic if I went too long without eating when I was an omnivore but haven’t while Plant Based. I’m also an ex pharmaceutical rep. I spent 18 years in the pharma business. Whole food plant based is the best way to prevent chronic diseases.
I work in a cardiovascular ICU. No vegan patients needing open heart surgery, Diabetic, cancer. People are blinded and will spew BS to make themselves seem right instead of taking a step back and looking at themself. But hey, I’m only 21 😁 I’m dumb
I work as a counselor for relatives to people suffering from chronic disease, and let me tell you: Legumes, grains, fruits and vegetables are never the problem. Sitting still most of the day, obesity, eating foods high in saturated fat, cholesterol and simple sugars, high levels of stress without balancing it with sleep and rest, social stigma; these factors on the other hand pretty much explain every case that I come into contact with at work. And they can all be fixed if dealt with in time. The saddest thing is meeting relatives to fairly young people who - for instance - has suffered a stroke that caused irreversible brain damage. Then lives are surely ruined, and no one says in the aftermath of such events that it was worth it.
@@andrewp3358 I'm not related to the medical field in anyway, but I'm sure heart palpitations are an early sign of an issue, and i had em regularly only at age 25 as well as earlier, eating lots of unprocessed animal foods(not a trash food guy, except for few times a year perhaps). Going plant based, not only there have been none for years ever since, but also the lethargy i suffered for most of my life went away as well. So yes, i refuse to believe that it would be a mere coincidence, especially when so many people experience large health benefits of the diet.
8:40 Mic keeping it classy. Good stuff man, you're a good role model for our community. Can definitely get heated around these topics so it's really nice to have a level headed figure like yourself.
I really can't stress how much I appreciate these videos and can't express enough how important they are. I know its annoying, I know it takes a lot of work, but honestly if you don't do it people will fall for this nonsense, because most just want to hear what they want to hear. If people like you don't look up and present the data, no one will. The animals, the planet, and people who could have literally lost their life because of terrible advice like Kressers, thank you!
It's so true... I am a committed vegan and, maybe I'm naive, but there were parts of the podcast where I was like "damn, there might be some serious merit to this," only to run over to this video (in a slightly panicked state) to be reminded that most of what he was spewing came from industry funded studies.... of course.
Actually, there were studies that showed that plant foods increase athletic performance. One that comes to mind is consuming beet juice before an exercise routine or a marathon increases stamina by something like 15% and reduces recovery time.
Beet juice ruins my ability to be a couch potato....after about 30 min I can feel the difference and have the urge to go for a walk or do calisthenics. Also gonna note that's from a single beet and its greens added to my normal greens/carrot juice. Id replace coffee with beet juice if my day job wasn't a desk job. Pretty sure they would fire me for refusing to stop exercising instead of working lol.
@M D Are you an actual MD? Would make sense if you are. Drugs can improve your performance, but always with negative side effects. If you are an MD, let me explain it to you in a language that you might understand. Beets contain nitrates, that convert to Nitric Oxide in the body, that dilate blood vessels, increases blood supply and tissue oxygenation, therefore improving stamina and performance, and lowers blood pressure.
JayPee I hear ya. But don’t let it get ya down. This is just one little ignorant echo chamber. This movement is exponentially growing. The truth can not be hidden
@@seanogorman3617 You're confusing a healthy omnivore diet for trash don't give a fuck diets. So the majority of top 100s in any given sport who are MOSTLY omnivore unhealthy? 😂
these guys blabber on - why don't they simply compare 5 carnivores and 5 vegans - i'm almost 60 years old and know very few carnivores that can compare with my good health - i don't know even one carnivore over 60 that's not on drugs ...
@@thisisdeafening9933 i haven't owned a cat since i was a kid - this is me - libionline.net - and here's the audits that took down and entire city - beaumontgate.org/ i don't eat 'meat' - i eat corrupt elected and appointed officials for my dinner - i chew them up and spit them out ... who are you kid? let's see your business website - let's see where you're my equal in any way ... when you put stupid in your head = you have a head full of stupid ...
@@thisisdeafening9933 I can second this lady. I am 61 and the only person I know my age that is not on medication for something. But I am vegan and they are omnivores. Some of them think their diet is a very healthy and "balanced" one. I would say that if a diet has animal products in it (or more than the tiniest bit), it cannot be balanced.
Carina Ekström imagine being 61 and as dumb and out of touch as you are, the healthiest societies are meat based, but of course you only listen to the propaganda. Do some research for once in your life. Meatrx.com
@@xblur17 Statistics of mortality rates and athletic ability and longevity is a good start. Don't forget that the vegan diet is not based on nutritional research but rather a philosophy.
Going on 4 years being vegan this upcoming 2020, went vegan at 13, and still vegan 3 years later as an athlete. Is that enough proof that veganism is suitable for athletes?
Hey, I get it. I have gained all of my strength on a vegan diet and can almost deadlift twice my bodyweight, squat 1.25 times my bodyweight and almost chest press my bodyweight. This is after one year. So, who says that you can't be an athlete and be vegan?
Been vegan for 6 months and have had a serious skinny-fat bod my whole life. Joined the gym 2 months ago and i’m seeing significant changes already :) Excited to get to a point where i look and feel fit and nobody can say shit about the effectiveness of my diet
l21n1 The world isn’t gonna stop eating meat so radically that suddenly farmers are left with all that livestock. This at best will be a very slow process like the adoption of electric cars. No one is asking, “But what are we gonna do with all these internal combustion cars and gas stations?”
It's such a level 1 carnist argument, "wHaT r wE gOnNa dO wItH aLl tHe aNiMaLs iF wE dOnt eAt tHeM?" - Maybe the demand will gradually decrease as people go vegan and thus fewer and fewer animals will be bred for slaughter.
Joe is legit dumb, there’s a vid of Nick Bostrom trying to explain the idea of the universe being a simulation to him - it reminded me of the simpsons ep where they were calling Homer ‘Mr. Thompson’ and he didn’t get it
I used to follow Chris Kresser diet advice, I ended up with crippling spinal arthritis. WFPB diet, gave me my life back and vegan for nearly 2 years! #veganpower 🙏🏼💪🏼😄😄😄
@@nocturnal03 funny I just watched a video of his 'story' where he says he found improvement on a paleo diet. Caught in a lie. He's a lyin little punkster. But I Am on the right side and History will make a laughing stock of veganism when It's all said and done.
@@ludicrousone8706 The ideology is so extreme, you can't even eat an egg from a chicken who lives on a small farm, or wear wool from a sheep who lives on a small farm. Meanwhile, grinding up rodents and other animals when harvesting grain and soy fields is OK?
Check this debunk. Kresser posted this. chriskresser.com/the-dark-side-of-green-smoothies/ (basically kale is toxic) www.snopes.com/fact-check/kale-not-safe/ Looks like he even stole a similar title to his article - or just coincidence www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2014/01/10/the-dark-side-of-kale-and-how-to-eat-around-it Not sure why he claims vegans cherry-pick. Maybe he should look in his own house first before pointing fingers.
I'm vegan 5 years and 87kg and am able to chin up with 40kg added weight, I don't take protein powder, just eat a lot of food. Quite easy to gain strength on a vegan diet.
whenever someone says something along the lines of “you are not getting enough protein!!” I ask them “how many people that you know has died from a protein deficiency?” or “what’s the scientific name for protein deficiency?”
I’ve been vegan for over 3 years and recently got blood work done and my protein was in the high end. I was shocked since according to a lot of meat eaters, I should be protein deficient lol.
Ever notice how meat eaters always go to an argument that the meat that they eat is the best farmed, most holistic, best cared for, rotational, small down home farm, animals that wanted to die, and died in the nicest way possible. THAT IS NOT REALITY! That is not what is happening. Actuality’s > Hypotheticals
animals gonna die anyways, its called nature and the circle of life. vegans tend to be far removed from nature, living in concrete city jungles, eating imported foods from across the world in more likely than not, poor condition for both the worker and product.
I get my beef from my in laws. They own a large factory dairy farm.. I raise my own chickens for the eggs and the meat. They live in a cramped coop. I get my pork from a childhood friend who has a factory pig farm. We just go out there pick out a couple of them load them up go home kill them and process them. I do have another childhood friend who raises chickens for eggs and meat for a small convince store chain and grocery store chain. That to is combo of factory farm and slaughter house. The male chicks are ground up alive for fertilizer for the feed he grows for the chickens that get to live in cages for a couple years.
@@davidwilliams9386 Basically I am a pecie of crap that knows where my food comes from. How are your plants grown?? You vegans always say our plants are organic and locally grown but you and I know that is bullshit
@@davidwilliams9386 Well as for myself I am in the hunting, fishing, and taxidermy industry. I own a small, successful store plus a shooting range that is members only.
lol of course they wouldn't, barley has tons of fiber, why would the body store into fat the little energy it had to work so hard to absorb from the grain? What is that Kresser guy on?
@@mattrichards4815 Rather listen to someone who presents solid evidence and legitimate studies. Which you can read for yourself. Perhaps it's all about picking a person and following everything they say for you ?
I learnt how to do acupuncture from my plumber because thats how it works, you learn a completely different thing from someone who never trained in it.
It used to be "where do you get your protein". When that issue is resolved, now it's "but protein quality tho", and when that's debunked, it's "but bioavailability tho". Every time a claim is debunked, they will simply move on to the next one. When they've exhausted all of them, they will probably go back to the first one.
Common sense tells you plants are nutritionally inferior - even your guru Dr Greger unwittingly admits that by recommending his "daily dozen." Here's how the dozen compares to meat in terms of amino acids alone: th-cam.com/video/kFTeZ7JETgI/w-d-xo.html So assuming you could source a complete set of amino acids from plants, it takes two pounds of food to come close to the nutritional value of a 9 oz piece of meat. You're welcome.
@@KarasekUS BUNK. Plenty of 'complete' amino acids from plant sources without the cholesterol, mTOR, TMAO, Neu5Gc, hormones, etc. in meat. Your body puts all the amino acids together besides.
@@respectfulliving1 Seriously? What plants do you eat, and in what quantity, that give you a complete set of amino acids? And what's wrong with cholesterol or mTOR? You seem to believe in some outdated and debunked notions still peddled by Sick the Vegan. Meanwhile a 9 oz piece of meat gives you everything your body needs, but without excess fiber and sugars, protease inhibitors, lectins ( th-cam.com/video/mjQZCCiV6iA/w-d-xo.html ), oxalates, goitrogens, inflammatory plant oils, etc.
Both sides build such great cases. I’m halfway between. I have cut down on my meat loads. Upped the plant base. Got rid of the dairy. But I like my fish. But this seems to be working for me. Feel great and helping the environment which is good
Carie Dawn Yes totally agree. My personal opinion is that do it to quick maybe too much on the body. Bit by bit and the right vitamin supplements will be a nice healthy balanced diet. Slowly but surely. I definitely feel much more energy and happier already!
Ignore this guy ,our ancestors fished and ate plants at the same time .The pescatarian diet is a very healthy diet , just make sure the fish is wild caught .
It's definitely cus he knows he's wrong. Most of his talking points are pro vegan, he just doesn't wanna give up meat, so he needs to keep telling himself it's necessary
If you listen to the podcast, he has 3 sponsor messages. One is from a BBQ Grill company, and another is from Butcher Box, a meat delivery service. Tom Bilyeu is sponsored by the same service, and it's no coincidence that Tom has had a host of carnivore/keto folks on his Impact Theory show, but not a plant-based expert. The difference is, Rogan is just so unhinged about his biases that it's clearer to recognise. Also, Kresser is selling a TON of supplements on his website (which he mentions the URL for numerous times during the podcast to cite his sources - and no doubt drive traffic to his store), so I'd say he's got a very vested interest in a) getting his name out there and b) denouncing veganism and promoting Paleo. Couple of straight up crooks.
thepinkorangejuice I agree with you. Joe ROGAN sounds jealous of vegans but too ashamed to admit he was wrong or he is vegan who is emotionally addicted to steroids and other drugs. Will not give up the meat living facade because of his paycheck.
Point with your finger where exactly Sick the Vegan presents some facts and logic. Only gullible idiots without facility of critical thinking can find his arguments convincing.
@@KarasekUS Every point Mic made is valid and based on facts and logic......that you are unable to distinguish facts and logic from carnist disinformation is your deficit.......get professional help for that, cupcake.
@@LouisGedo Point with your finger to any point Sick the Vegan makes here that is based on facts and logic. For the most part he deals in eristic and logical fallacies, e.g. engages in derision and misrepresentation, attacks people's credibility [argumentum ad verecundiam], rather then address their claims, or calls people who bring up current research on cholesterol - cholesterol deniers. And when he does cite studies, he suffers from a massive selection bias, and basically ignores the last 20-30 years of nutritional research. Only gullible idiots without facility of critical thinking can find Sick the Vegan's arguments convincing. Veganism is Lysenkoism of nutrition.
Me too. I'm 61 and never managed to get my hair this long before, it's below my waist. I was a vegetarian for 42 years but everything got better when I became vegan 8 years ago. No need for reading glasses any more, and many other things. Even as a vegetarian I was healthier than most, but vegan is just the best!
@@strahinjamacesic3974 All Kresser's honeymoon talk is also based on anecdotes. He's seen a few failed vegans on TH-cam and imagines this is the rule. Yes, many try a vegan diet and leave it later, but according to questionnaires, leaving rarely had anything to do with health problems. It's a social pressure thing.
@@carinaekstrom1 I don't really care about this guy. He is not a relevant source of info. It doesn't matter if pro-meat people are sharing anecdotal evidence. What matters is what we as vegans do. Just because they do it doesn't make it right or smart, and we have to know better. Plenty of false info flowing through vegan circles. That is why I commented saying to be careful. It is a good experience, but that is all it is, AN experience.
Mic, you’re one of my main motivations for going Vegan, I’ll be breaking this down too. One Vegan critic echoing what another Vegan critic says.... wow, so profound.
@@jessyryan78 :-)) Cakes, pies, every supplement I can find, lollipops, a lot of lawn trimmings, and dirt for B12. Although you got to remove the rocks when you eat the dirt. Can't beat this diet.
The Spartans of Greece we're famous for their fighting power and endurance as well as for their boring "Spartan" diet. Mostly grains and lentils. Source: Asterix at the Olympic Games. And by the way, the Gaules we're heavy meat eater who could only fight and compete under the influence of a magical potion
Its craze how non vegans who say that, you can thrive on vegan diet. But they still choose the cruel way to eat. Life time of misery for animal, for you 10 minutes of pleasure.
Curious how you get lifetime of misery for animals.. have you talked to any lately? Do you know the conditions they live in? Do you raise them? What makes this a legitimate statement? and just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean it is correct. Plus, Im pretty sure its not just for 10 minutes of enjoyment when it is literally fueling his body and keeping him alive...
lol man, you're wild. Kresser is smart as heck and acknowledges some vegans do it right. He acknowledges the benefits of a well planned vegan diet. Vegan clubs inability to acknowledge the nutritional benefits of meat makes you guys more radical than anyone like Kresser. So what if fumbled on Barley. He talked for 2 hours and goes through countless studies and dialogue. Everyone fumbles, even James A. "He cant read simple studies" lol. Blinded by being mad at counter arguments to veganism doesn't give you a free pass to being a jerk about it. The nutritional benefits of meat FAR outweigh the negatives if you're doing it right (just like veganism). The war is against processed foods. We shouldn't be at war against each other. I fully agree with the notion that animal cruelty is a terribly sad problem... but trying to act like veganism provides better nutrition than a balanced diet with animal products is..... such a stretch.
@@patrickfurlong2834 don't argue with a vegan they are the worst dogmatic zealots taking more offense than any religious fanatic . Just listen to this guy mic the vegan a arrogant stereotypical example of the "angry vegan" I speak of . They shoot themselves in the foot every time
@@GNMbg vegans are the most easily triggered people on earth and suffer from the worst confirmation bias as well . Add to that their morally superior attitude and it' is plain to see why the rest of the world thinks negatively of them. I personally feel sorry for vegans. They think they are saving the world forcing their beliefs on to others while becoming emaciated then often acquire psychiatric disorders . A tonne of experts far smarter than this goose have completely deconstructed the game changers movie . Anyone who believes it believes in fairy tales
Just uploaded my response to this nonsense as well. Dude... how do you confuse simple carbs with complex carbs?! People really listen to this guy for nutrition advice. #vegan #plantpower 🙏🏼🍎🥦💪🏼
Im so grateful youre out here actually doing real research and preventing lies being spread from the people who just want to keep the blinders on. Thanks alot mic!
I am so grateful that our vegan community has you for a spokesperson. Thank you so much for your dedication to the truth, your insights and efforts to present information .
Wow, awesome knowledge base Mic. Enjoy the videos and thank god someone is doing these as there are way to many videos out their to confuse the public. Holy cow...excuse the pun, but I was watching Dr Berg and omg I don't know what the heck I was thinking doing that keto garbage for over a month. Used to be Vegetarian but now whole food plant based diet....can never see going to any other way of eating....we've got the science :)
Managed to make it almost half way through this episode with Kresser. I like to expose myself to the "other side of the store" as often as I can. The whole time I was listening, I was thinking, "I can't wait for Mic's response video!" As always, very well done, Mic!
@@thisisdeafening9933 you don't sound bored, you sound very triggered and defensive. 🤣 If you truly didn't care you wouldn't be all over this comment section whining.
I pity the followers or believers of Chris Kresser. Good luck to them. Thanks Mic once again for your really important work here debunking them. You are laterally saving the world not just humanity.
Editing to accede to your request that people not criticize Kresser's appearance: His weak defenses must be due to having to constantly over-ride people's common sense and sense of self-preservation to drag them back into his cult when they question his dietary recommendations. Poor Chris Kresser. His job will never be done. These people are a menace to logic and public health. TFP, Mic, in spite of your obviously being aggravated by this drooling circle jerk pretending to be a reasoned discussion!
I’m so thankful for this channel.. and you... I’ve been looking for something like this... thank you so much from the planet, the animals and your fellow vegs ♥️♥️♥️
Rogan is an idiot but so is this guy. They are basically all the same: NA eduskashion level vlogger/blogger/podcaster hacks that all of you morons listen to exclusively instead reading expert publications, to achieve maximum societal stupiditiy.
You're soo good at what you do this would take me forever to put together. I can see especially when it comes to Environmental factors how deeply it affects you. Thanks for all that you do !
Y'know, Mic, if I watched that podcast BEFORE watching "Gamer Changers" and the other documentaries on veganism, I'd probably have believed most of it. You do a good service here. Joe will be fondly remember like a guy who passionately advocated the health benefits of smoking. This is not a good topic for him to come down on the wrong side about. In fact, it's really a bad one. Getting away from the worldwide onslaught of animals is the next level of spiritual evolution for humans. He's on the side of the troglodytes here.
Any input on the idea behind most B12 supplements being fed to cattle? I've looked into this, and I find plenty of instances of people making the claim (with few denying it), but I cannot seem to find any studies that present a conclusion supporting one claim or another.
@Big Olive Oil Probably more like he doesn't have the ability to create an intelligent and sufficient argument against it so he runs away. Disregarding debates on scientific research is plain and simple against science and progress. The SECOND you think you know everything is the second you stop growing and learning... and they don't want to learn, they just want affirmations to their opinion. They cannot handle criticism. They also can't be open minded enough to listen to anything that doesn't immediately agree with their own opinion.
Wow, thanks Mic. I must say, I get tired of the "nay-sayers: about veganism. Those guys MUST be funded by the industry in order to spew such crap. Thanks for using your energy to help set them straight.
Vegetarian for 7 years, vegan for 3+. Started eating fish, eggs, and meat on occasion a few months ago just to see if there’d be a difference, and it’s been a positive shift. Much more vital and focused. Think being plant based is pretty good overall and nothing against people who want to live that way. I was on that train for many years and got really deep into the community, however I don’t think it’s as clear cut as the vegan community leads people to believe. Encourage you to think for yourself and experiment with an open mind.
I wish people would stop misrepresenting each other’s diets. Vegans don’t eat just vegetables and get anemia. Paleo dieters don’t eat bowls of mayonnaise and get angina.
Wow! Rogan needs to lower his roids dosage it's eating his brain cells. He's putting on a show that has erroneous info with a fake dr. that makes him look badly (trying to be nice, stup*d would be a better word!!). Looks really bad for anyone that knows basic nutrition. I can't believe he said obvious whole grains to be refined carb, what?? Thanks Mic for debunking this :)
Here is the discord link! discord.gg/8dfcNtf - Within the server I have created "The Think Tank," a virtual forum which will be a place for panels, discussions, vegan business proposals, etc. I hosting a doctor panel with several doctors right after this video but it is over now. We discussed the DHA drama with VegSource and vegan doctors with the question, "Should vegans supplement DHA?" and many other topics such as "Why are vegan blood protein levels higher?" More events to come and we now have 500+ people in there!!
Mic the Vegan What about Dr. Rhonda Patrick Ph.D. in biomedical science that joe has had on many times. Her particular field of interest is longevity and optimal health... guess what vegans she eats meat... oh ‘thy’ glorious meat 😂
@@mikelarry2397 She is corrupt or stupid. You choose.
Sorry but this is a really shit and puerile response to Kresser's detailed (something you lack) dismantling of 'Gamechangers' which, above all else was based upon common sense. Once Vegans start making ridiculous claims and use other
species diets as examples, you're really dead in the water.
Mic - here is a bran new video from "What I learned today" channel that I would love to see you debunk: th-cam.com/video/Ppkwby3mehU/w-d-xo.html Basically states "Bacon is not a health food but saying it gives you cancer isn't realistic"
And it references a lot of research so I imagine that would be fun for you too
The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. - Chinese proverb.
Damn!
Regardless of who said it, I'm just gonna have to steal it! :)
I think that's the best proverb i ever heard.
especially the fact that most people agree it's good for the environment, saving the world and all that, but they still try to stop you
That's cultural appropriation! How *DARE* you!!!11!
Except Kesser says on the podcast that there's no "one size fits all" diet and that if veganism is working for you, continue down that path
Does no one call Kresser out for his outright lies? And how does an acupuncturist get to be an authority on nutritional science?
I give you Bart Kay's subscriber count as a retort.
because joe rogan wants him to be one...
tamcon72 shuuwt uuuuuwp duuwmass! Meat military comin foo!
The same way Dr. Berg the chiropractor does. They play on people's confirmation bias and tell them what they want to hear. Good news about bad habits, and all that.
I just don't trust Kresser. His stuff is all what he read or what a study he didn't even read critically said or what is popular. He doesn't really go into it. And the studies he uses can be torn apart far too easily. So when he says something I don't trust him, and when he gives a study I don't trust that either.
"Simple carbs such as Barley , legumes" - Chris Kresser 2019
Haha. What an idiot!
Lol. Barley = skittles Legume = table sugar. Kresser nutrition
Insanity. How do these clowns like Chris Kresser and Eric Berg have such a large followings? People are idiots.
Anti vegans are actually mental. What else can you expect from people who argue for animal abuse?
no wonder Kresser is a failed vegan, the guy probably avoided legumes and grains, and ate chocolate for protein.....(in between needling himself of course)
"He just likes anything that's vaguely related to marijuana" 😂 I had the same thought
Anecdote time! Went vegan three years ago. Started rock climbing 7 months ago. I could barely climb a 5.7 when I started and still remember those damn pink holds that I struggled on. Today I on-sighted (climbed first try) a 5.10+ and sent a 5.11+. Hoping by the end of my first climbing year I can on-sight 5.12s. I have never felt as strong as I do now and I have played extremely competitive sports my entire life.
The key is whole foods. Sell your microwave if you have to and buy an instant pot in it's place. It will subconsciously force you to make healthier foods.
What bothered me most about that podcast was the false idea that veganism or vegetarianism can work as a diet only if it's done 'perfectly'. As if we have lab coats, bunsen burners and test tubes in our kitchens. 'Time to make a sandwich...let me just grab my calculator and protien monitor.' It's all so ridiculous, and speaks volumes to how much they do not understand and yet purport to educate. The up side: I've been 'perfect' for 35 years!
Quint Bromley I’m actually putting my lab coat on right now, because I have to make a sandwich 🤣
@@RunningIntoMyself Make sure there's plenty of protein! 😄
Quint Bromley No worries, got my protein monitor in my pocket. Gotta go, the Bunsen burner just fell over 😂
@@RunningIntoMyself Lol! 😂😂😂
Quint, how long have you been vegan?
It doesn't matter what Kresser says; it doesn't have to be true or honest. He and Rogan know this. It must be terrifying for anti-vegans to see a tiny fraction of the population do so well in sports. Thanks a lot for the research Mike.
what long term vegans are doing well in sports? Genuine question.
I stayed a vegan because of the performance gain. One workout as a vegan convinced me. Wasn't eating the standard American diet
One workout? Come on, deficiencies take time to show themselves. Did you keep to the diet for the last 4 years? If so, how is your performance now?
@@KK-lg8uz I've been eating mostly plant based for idk more than 8 years now I think. The blood flow benefits alone are worth it. It's known that a properly planted vegan diet is appropriate for all stages of life. Most people don't know anything about nutrition. I do however. I'm married with a kid now and don't care about working out like I used to. I can still do almost 30 burpees in a minute and a few sets of sprints without issues at almost 40 though. I'd stay plant based for the sex life benefits alone. I'm not perfect all the time and there are better places to live as a vegan for sure, but it's still not an issue if you know what to eat
Got fat after eating a lot of legumes.
No one ever.
Got rotten gas, SIBO and gut permeability after eating alot of legumes.
Almost any longterm Vegan ever.
@@clinclin1240 you really are clueless. how long were you vegan?
Cølin Cølin bullshit
You must have a huge sample size for Almost ANY of us. Please share your source.
bullocks
I must be in an extra long honeymoon... 11 years strong!
Mic, you're a treasure. Thanks for all you do!
@keto cycler 🐂💩
@keto cycler I've heard enough Kresser nonsense for one lifetime. I got his talking points down at this point.
@keto cycler Uhhh.... watch this video?
@keto cycler Why are you asking tracers? Did you post this comment in the wrong place.
What shocked me the most was that the previous JR episode was with a vegan guy who makes amazing documentaries, Louis Psyhoyos. And, even after that amazing insightful talk, he went on to talk to Chris Kresser and agreed with everything he said like he had never heard anything else in his life...
Thank you! Keep up the great work! 10 years vegan myself and a successful ultra endurance athlete.
I never heard of you. What have you won?
Joe has a lot of meat grease on his head.
Rofl thank u for this
Jacob Nunya ShOoTiNG AnIMaLs WItH StICks ShAmINg
😭
Meat sweats
Classic - and in it
Sorry, but the comment about liking anything vaguely weed related was spot on
And totally vegan compatible.
Another example of his bias towards things he already likes.
@@TalosCreative confirmation bias
What kind of evidence
Observational study nonsense
That’s what!
Cholesterol hypothesis was never proven to be true
In fact there are 3 randomized controlled trials that don’t agree with the lipid hypothesis!
Minnesota Coronary Study
Sydney Heart Study
Corn Oil in the treatment of ischemic heart disease
Watching Mic respond to Joe Rogan videos is like watching Jackie Chan fight Chris Kresser..
Dang that must be a win for Mic because I don't even know who Chris Kresser is....
But Jackie isn't vegan.
@@janolableach9114 No one said he was.
@@VeganDefinition If it's a popularity contest, then Joe would be the winner by far. Not to mention the hours and hours of documented discussions he has had with doctors and nutritionists.
@@VeganDefinition Well they should have used a better example. A well known vegan fighter, perhaps. Oh wait... there aren't many of those around. I wonder why? 🤔
“Maybe those biceps are...still on a honeymoon.” 😂 💪🏻
I’ve been Plant Based for over 6 years. I came from a clean omnivorous diet. I feel so much better on a healthy plant based diet. I’m in my 50’s on no medications and with a recent total cholesterol of 154. I actually would get hypoglycemic if I went too long without eating when I was an omnivore but haven’t while Plant Based. I’m also an ex pharmaceutical rep. I spent 18 years in the pharma business. Whole food plant based is the best way to prevent chronic diseases.
I work in a cardiovascular ICU. No vegan patients needing open heart surgery, Diabetic, cancer. People are blinded and will spew BS to make themselves seem right instead of taking a step back and looking at themself. But hey, I’m only 21 😁 I’m dumb
I work as a counselor for relatives to people suffering from chronic disease, and let me tell you: Legumes, grains, fruits and vegetables are never the problem.
Sitting still most of the day, obesity, eating foods high in saturated fat, cholesterol and simple sugars, high levels of stress without balancing it with sleep and rest, social stigma; these factors on the other hand pretty much explain every case that I come into contact with at work. And they can all be fixed if dealt with in time. The saddest thing is meeting relatives to fairly young people who - for instance - has suffered a stroke that caused irreversible brain damage. Then lives are surely ruined, and no one says in the aftermath of such events that it was worth it.
@@andrewp3358 I'm not related to the medical field in anyway, but I'm sure heart palpitations are an early sign of an issue, and i had em regularly only at age 25 as well as earlier, eating lots of unprocessed animal foods(not a trash food guy, except for few times a year perhaps). Going plant based, not only there have been none for years ever since, but also the lethargy i suffered for most of my life went away as well. So yes, i refuse to believe that it would be a mere coincidence, especially when so many people experience large health benefits of the diet.
Please explain what a "clean" omnivorous diet consists of?
Andrew P the ones u have seen are eating complete shit also sooooooo that argument holds no weight
*James Wilks has confirmed he will be on Rogan* ...Next week along with Chris Kresser to debate/discuss the The Game Changers
Source: th-cam.com/video/taefDm6nSHo/w-d-xo.html
Hell yea
YES!!!!
Fuck yes, thank whoever is God.
He better not let us down like Dr. Kahn.
Just listened to the episode today. Man, they really went at us didn't they? 😂
Animal agriculture is scarred, I get tons of anti vegan videos in my feed.
Lol the more people talk about it the longer Netflix will be keeping it in the trending slot. They can keep debunking all they want
They did! They crushed it! 1.3 million views and growing.
8:40 Mic keeping it classy. Good stuff man, you're a good role model for our community. Can definitely get heated around these topics so it's really nice to have a level headed figure like yourself.
I really can't stress how much I appreciate these videos and can't express enough how important they are.
I know its annoying, I know it takes a lot of work, but honestly if you don't do it people will fall for this nonsense, because most just want to hear what they want to hear. If people like you don't look up and present the data, no one will.
The animals, the planet, and people who could have literally lost their life because of terrible advice like Kressers, thank you!
It's so true... I am a committed vegan and, maybe I'm naive, but there were parts of the podcast where I was like "damn, there might be some serious merit to this," only to run over to this video (in a slightly panicked state) to be reminded that most of what he was spewing came from industry funded studies.... of course.
Couldn't agree with this more.
(laughs in meat-eating)
Also @@JnPon2s (dies of heart disease)
@@JnPon2s Keep doing it. It's obviously working wonders for your grammar, Champ 👍
Actually, there were studies that showed that plant foods increase athletic performance. One that comes to mind is consuming beet juice before an exercise routine or a marathon increases stamina by something like 15% and reduces recovery time.
Beet juice ruins my ability to be a couch potato....after about 30 min I can feel the difference and have the urge to go for a walk or do calisthenics. Also gonna note that's from a single beet and its greens added to my normal greens/carrot juice. Id replace coffee with beet juice if my day job wasn't a desk job. Pretty sure they would fire me for refusing to stop exercising instead of working lol.
😂
Good for you @M D , you have managed to post a response, and yet contribute absolutely nothing to the discussion.
@M D Are you an actual MD? Would make sense if you are. Drugs can improve your performance, but always with negative side effects. If you are an MD, let me explain it to you in a language that you might understand. Beets contain nitrates, that convert to Nitric Oxide in the body, that dilate blood vessels, increases blood supply and tissue oxygenation, therefore improving stamina and performance, and lowers blood pressure.
@M D, you sounds like an MD that's been brainwashed in medical school.
That podcast made me feel bad for humanity.
Seriously. It was aweful.
JayPee I hear ya. But don’t let it get ya down. This is just one little ignorant echo chamber. This movement is exponentially growing. The truth can not be hidden
@@seanogorman3617 Well the truth is an omnivore diet is still superior.
Janola Bleach what’s superior about it. How it causes cancer ? Heart disease ? Or the environmental catastrophe part.
@@seanogorman3617 You're confusing a healthy omnivore diet for trash don't give a fuck diets. So the majority of top 100s in any given sport who are MOSTLY omnivore unhealthy? 😂
these guys blabber on - why don't they simply compare 5 carnivores and 5 vegans - i'm almost 60 years old and know very few carnivores that can compare with my good health - i don't know even one carnivore over 60 that's not on drugs ...
@@thisisdeafening9933 i haven't owned a cat since i was a kid - this is me - libionline.net - and here's the audits that took down and entire city - beaumontgate.org/
i don't eat 'meat' - i eat corrupt elected and appointed officials for my dinner - i chew them up and spit them out ...
who are you kid?
let's see your business website - let's see where you're my equal in any way ...
when you put stupid in your head = you have a head full of stupid ...
@@thisisdeafening9933 I can second this lady. I am 61 and the only person I know my age that is not on medication for something. But I am vegan and they are omnivores. Some of them think their diet is a very healthy and "balanced" one. I would say that if a diet has animal products in it (or more than the tiniest bit), it cannot be balanced.
Hey Libi, how long have you been vegan?
Carina Ekström imagine being 61 and as dumb and out of touch as you are, the healthiest societies are meat based, but of course you only listen to the propaganda. Do some research for once in your life.
Meatrx.com
@@memefeed2147 Ha ha, that was funny!
Joe & Chris brought to you by the animal product industry
Since when. Rogan hunts his own meat and doesn't support factory farming. Do some research, bud.
@Zerah Shel Yahudah Much like the film they are critiquing. Remember that the omnivore diet is still superiour to the vegan diet.
Janola Bleach it really isn’t. 0 research supports that data.
@@xblur17 Statistics of mortality rates and athletic ability and longevity is a good start. Don't forget that the vegan diet is not based on nutritional research but rather a philosophy.
@@janolableach9114 joe is sponsored by butcher box and perfect keto.
Going on 4 years being vegan this upcoming 2020, went vegan at 13, and still vegan 3 years later as an athlete. Is that enough proof that veganism is suitable for athletes?
Loser
Jabari I knew you'd be in here
Hey, I get it. I have gained all of my strength on a vegan diet and can almost deadlift twice my bodyweight, squat 1.25 times my bodyweight and almost chest press my bodyweight. This is after one year. So, who says that you can't be an athlete and be vegan?
Been vegan for 6 months and have had a serious skinny-fat bod my whole life. Joined the gym 2 months ago and i’m seeing significant changes already :)
Excited to get to a point where i look and feel fit and nobody can say shit about the effectiveness of my diet
8 years. Doin great
I was ROTFLMFAO when Joe said, but what are we gonna do with all this livestock if we don’t eat them?.... Maybe don’t raise them? D’AH!!!!
Trace Absence maybe he’s referring to the animals that are already here
l21n1 The world isn’t gonna stop eating meat so radically that suddenly farmers are left with all that livestock. This at best will be a very slow process like the adoption of electric cars. No one is asking, “But what are we gonna do with all these internal combustion cars and gas stations?”
I think he rhetorically asked, "are we going to give them all birth control?" WTF Joe, not how that works.
It's such a level 1 carnist argument, "wHaT r wE gOnNa dO wItH aLl tHe aNiMaLs iF wE dOnt eAt tHeM?" - Maybe the demand will gradually decrease as people go vegan and thus fewer and fewer animals will be bred for slaughter.
Joe is legit dumb, there’s a vid of Nick Bostrom trying to explain the idea of the universe being a simulation to him - it reminded me of the simpsons ep where they were calling Homer ‘Mr. Thompson’ and he didn’t get it
I used to follow Chris Kresser diet advice, I ended up with crippling spinal arthritis. WFPB diet, gave me my life back and vegan for nearly 2 years! #veganpower 🙏🏼💪🏼😄😄😄
What a pathetic lie this is. You're a joke.
@@markrobinson6489 triggered!
@@nocturnal03 let those on the side of truth and honesty always be 'triggered' by liars.
@@markrobinson6489 let those on the side of their erroneous beliefs be triggered by evidence of the contrary ;)
@@nocturnal03 funny I just watched a video of his 'story' where he says he found improvement on a paleo diet. Caught in a lie. He's a lyin little punkster. But I Am on the right side and History will make a laughing stock of veganism when It's all said and done.
Clicked on this faster than Kresser dismisses all evidence that doesn’t suit his ideology. Well, maybe not THAT fast.
Universal Earthling 😆🤣🤣🤣
You mean like Mic? And it's Mic who is the one with the ideology (animal right's activist), not Kresser.
Just like vegans refuse to listen to anything that doesn't agree with their ideology... Works both ways.
@@rubygreta1 to look after animal welfare is an ideology now?
How self centered can a person be?
@@ludicrousone8706 The ideology is so extreme, you can't even eat an egg from a chicken who lives on a small farm, or wear wool from a sheep who lives on a small farm. Meanwhile, grinding up rodents and other animals when harvesting grain and soy fields is OK?
Mic completly obliterating Kresser's erroneous garbage makes me smile.
Check this debunk. Kresser posted this. chriskresser.com/the-dark-side-of-green-smoothies/ (basically kale is toxic)
www.snopes.com/fact-check/kale-not-safe/
Looks like he even stole a similar title to his article - or just coincidence www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2014/01/10/the-dark-side-of-kale-and-how-to-eat-around-it
Not sure why he claims vegans cherry-pick. Maybe he should look in his own house first before pointing fingers.
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Except he didn't. Sick the Vegan here merely presented a different opinion, at best. Other than that he just dishes out derision and misinformation.
@@KarasekUS I'm glad you replied to my comment. I feel like I've made it now that my comment is both liked by Mic and being trolled.
Funny he calls vegan food real, but then says you will shrivel up in two years. That makes no sense.
Zing
I'm vegan 5 years and 87kg and am able to chin up with 40kg added weight, I don't take protein powder, just eat a lot of food. Quite easy to gain strength on a vegan diet.
Getting protein on a plant-based diet isn't that hard people. lol 😂
Pro meat eaters get paid to regurgitate whatever crap the meat industry shoves down their throats.
whenever someone says something along the lines of “you are not getting enough protein!!” I ask them “how many people that you know has died from a protein deficiency?” or “what’s the scientific name for protein deficiency?”
@@alchemists4443 I now ask them what protein is. Haven't got a response yet.
Lloyd Christmas lmaoo
I’ve been vegan for over 3 years and recently got blood work done and my protein was in the high end. I was shocked since according to a lot of meat eaters, I should be protein deficient lol.
Chris Kresser the acupuncturist. 🙄
Hi there. I'm an acupuncturist and not a vegan but let me tell you why the "vegan diet" can't work.
mic, the public health graduate? hello, stay consistent hunny.
Lean GroundBeef public health is a legit relevant specialism.
@@sefp what?
Lean GroundBeef your reply and your you tube channel is lacking content hunny.
Waited for this lolll
Ever notice how meat eaters always go to an argument that the meat that they eat is the best farmed, most holistic, best cared for, rotational, small down home farm, animals that wanted to die, and died in the nicest way possible. THAT IS NOT REALITY! That is not what is happening. Actuality’s > Hypotheticals
animals gonna die anyways, its called nature and the circle of life. vegans tend to be far removed from nature, living in concrete city jungles, eating imported foods from across the world in more likely than not, poor condition for both the worker and product.
I get my beef from my in laws. They own a large factory dairy farm.. I raise my own chickens for the eggs and the meat. They live in a cramped coop.
I get my pork from a childhood friend who has a factory pig farm. We just go out there pick out a couple of them load them up go home kill them and process them.
I do have another childhood friend who raises chickens for eggs and meat for a small convince store chain and grocery store chain. That to is combo of factory farm and slaughter house. The male chicks are ground up alive for fertilizer for the feed he grows for the chickens that get to live in cages for a couple years.
@@shawndarling5855 so basically you're a piece of crap..... okay noted
@@davidwilliams9386 Basically I am a pecie of crap that knows where my food comes from. How are your plants grown?? You vegans always say our plants are organic and locally grown but you and I know that is bullshit
@@davidwilliams9386 Well as for myself I am in the hunting, fishing, and taxidermy industry. I own a small, successful store plus a shooting range that is members only.
They wouldn't be able to get fat on beans and barley alone, if their lives depended on it. Just not possible.
lol of course they wouldn't, barley has tons of fiber, why would the body store into fat the little energy it had to work so hard to absorb from the grain? What is that Kresser guy on?
@@kazuoua thats crazy ,ofcourse you could get fat on that stuff
Glad this acupuncturist was able to educate me on diet! WHERE WOULD I BE WITHOUT HIM
The same place you are listening to a public health graduate with a youtube channel. See the relation yet Adam?
@@mattrichards4815 yes. At least the public health graduate has an argument that makes sense morally.
@@mattrichards4815 Rather listen to someone who presents solid evidence and legitimate studies. Which you can read for yourself.
Perhaps it's all about picking a person and following everything they say for you ?
I learnt how to do acupuncture from my plumber because thats how it works, you learn a completely different thing from someone who never trained in it.
Why would you listen to Sick the Vegan here? Your derision is misplaced. You're all engaging in logical fallacy called "argumentum ad verecundiam".
It used to be "where do you get your protein". When that issue is resolved, now it's "but protein quality tho", and when that's debunked, it's "but bioavailability tho". Every time a claim is debunked, they will simply move on to the next one. When they've exhausted all of them, they will probably go back to the first one.
Common sense tells you plants are nutritionally inferior - even your guru Dr Greger unwittingly admits that by recommending his "daily dozen." Here's how the dozen compares to meat in terms of amino acids alone: th-cam.com/video/kFTeZ7JETgI/w-d-xo.html
So assuming you could source a complete set of amino acids from plants, it takes two pounds of food to come close to the nutritional value of a 9 oz piece of meat. You're welcome.
@@KarasekUS BUNK. Plenty of 'complete' amino acids from plant sources without the cholesterol, mTOR, TMAO, Neu5Gc, hormones, etc. in meat. Your body puts all the amino acids together besides.
@@respectfulliving1 Seriously? What plants do you eat, and in what quantity, that give you a complete set of amino acids?
And what's wrong with cholesterol or mTOR? You seem to believe in some outdated and debunked notions still peddled by Sick the Vegan.
Meanwhile a 9 oz piece of meat gives you everything your body needs, but without excess fiber and sugars, protease inhibitors, lectins ( th-cam.com/video/mjQZCCiV6iA/w-d-xo.html ), oxalates, goitrogens, inflammatory plant oils, etc.
@@KarasekUS I won't waste my time with you and your misinformation campaign.
@@respectfulliving1 You mean when challenged you cannot substantiate your claims.
Both sides build such great cases. I’m halfway between. I have cut down on my meat loads. Upped the plant base. Got rid of the dairy. But I like my fish. But this seems to be working for me. Feel great and helping the environment which is good
Carie Dawn For sure. After eating meat and fish for 41 years it takes a little time to adjust to that sort of diet. But step-by-step getting there
Carie Dawn I went from 86 kg is down to 79 kg is in just over two weeks
Carie Dawn Yes totally agree. My personal opinion is that do it to quick maybe too much on the body. Bit by bit and the right vitamin supplements will be a nice healthy balanced diet. Slowly but surely. I definitely feel much more energy and happier already!
Carie Dawn Yeah that’s true. Definitely feeling the benefits. 10 years fair play. I’m getting there though
Ignore this guy ,our ancestors fished and ate plants at the same time .The pescatarian diet is a very healthy diet , just make sure the fish is wild caught .
Why is Joe so obsessed with "debunking" vegans. Do I sense some projecting, Joe?
thepinkorangejuice exactly, he's clearly triggered because he is so afraid of being wrong.
It's definitely cus he knows he's wrong. Most of his talking points are pro vegan, he just doesn't wanna give up meat, so he needs to keep telling himself it's necessary
If you listen to the podcast, he has 3 sponsor messages. One is from a BBQ Grill company, and another is from Butcher Box, a meat delivery service. Tom Bilyeu is sponsored by the same service, and it's no coincidence that Tom has had a host of carnivore/keto folks on his Impact Theory show, but not a plant-based expert. The difference is, Rogan is just so unhinged about his biases that it's clearer to recognise.
Also, Kresser is selling a TON of supplements on his website (which he mentions the URL for numerous times during the podcast to cite his sources - and no doubt drive traffic to his store), so I'd say he's got a very vested interest in a) getting his name out there and b) denouncing veganism and promoting Paleo.
Couple of straight up crooks.
He's paid to
thepinkorangejuice
I agree with you. Joe ROGAN sounds jealous of vegans but too ashamed to admit he was wrong or he is vegan who is emotionally addicted to steroids and other drugs. Will not give up the meat living facade because of his paycheck.
Imagine thinking protein deficiency is a thing for people who aren't just deficient in calories in general
Imagine thinking supplements are a vegan issue when 1 in 100 supplements are actually vegan. These idiots think a lot of shit that gives me a headache
in 2019 mind you
*Facts And Logic Destroy Kresser Nonsense Every Time*
There he is!
Point with your finger where exactly Sick the Vegan presents some facts and logic. Only gullible idiots without facility of critical thinking can find his arguments convincing.
@@KarasekUS Every point Mic made is valid and based on facts and logic......that you are unable to distinguish facts and logic from carnist disinformation is your deficit.......get professional help for that, cupcake.
@@LouisGedo Point with your finger to any point Sick the Vegan makes here that is based on facts and logic. For the most part he deals in eristic and logical fallacies, e.g. engages in derision and misrepresentation, attacks people's credibility [argumentum ad verecundiam], rather then address their claims, or calls people who bring up current research on cholesterol - cholesterol deniers. And when he does cite studies, he suffers from a massive selection bias, and basically ignores the last 20-30 years of nutritional research. Only gullible idiots without facility of critical thinking can find Sick the Vegan's arguments convincing.
Veganism is Lysenkoism of nutrition.
Who needs facts and logic when you can just listen to good things about your bad habits and confirm your bias :D
Since I gone vegan my hair grows a lot faster. Doesn't hair need protein to grow.
Kevin Isbell oh but be careful. According to Kresser it’s just a vegan honeymoon phase. Your health crisis is just around the corner 😨
Me too. I'm 61 and never managed to get my hair this long before, it's below my waist. I was a vegetarian for 42 years but everything got better when I became vegan 8 years ago. No need for reading glasses any more, and many other things. Even as a vegetarian I was healthier than most, but vegan is just the best!
But be careful as this is just anecdotal evidence and is not really relevant.
@@strahinjamacesic3974 All Kresser's honeymoon talk is also based on anecdotes. He's seen a few failed vegans on TH-cam and imagines this is the rule. Yes, many try a vegan diet and leave it later, but according to questionnaires, leaving rarely had anything to do with health problems. It's a social pressure thing.
@@carinaekstrom1 I don't really care about this guy. He is not a relevant source of info. It doesn't matter if pro-meat people are sharing anecdotal evidence. What matters is what we as vegans do. Just because they do it doesn't make it right or smart, and we have to know better. Plenty of false info flowing through vegan circles.
That is why I commented saying to be careful. It is a good experience, but that is all it is, AN experience.
When I was watching Joe, I kept saying, just give It a few days for Mic to blow this whole conversation out of the water.
Mic, you’re one of my main motivations for going Vegan, I’ll be breaking this down too. One Vegan critic echoing what another Vegan critic says.... wow, so profound.
Game changers has several conflicts of interest that he never calls out but he loves to call out other peoples conflicts of interest....
I wanted to scream watching that video, it was straw man after straw man
No honeymoon here. 11-year vegan. Just thrive!
Permanent Honeymoon.
8 year vegan honeymoon here. After 42 years as a lacto vegetarian.
What kind of supplements and processed foods are you guys consuming?
@@jessyryan78 :-)) Cakes, pies, every supplement I can find, lollipops, a lot of lawn trimmings, and dirt for B12. Although you got to remove the rocks when you eat the dirt. Can't beat this diet.
Gotta say that sounds pretty damn terrible guys😬
Imagine people have been vegan for 30, 40, 50 and more years, damn, that's one hella long honeymoon. :P
OMG Rogan hurts my brain, good vid mate
“Your brain hurts”
Clearly what a zealot would say
Mic the Vegan vs Chris Kresser debate????
Bring it on.
Style: Kresser
Science: Kresser
Anger: Mic
Kresser wouldn't do it.
Mic is a total mess live he will be shredded like soft tofu
WFPB for 13 years now. The honeymoon was over a LONG time ago.
Been vegan nearly a year. No deficiencies here!
Same!
varalys ikr
4 years here! 😁
varalys 3 years , vegan for life. Just PROPERLY PLAN IT FOLKS ! Not hard
6 years here. But I guess we’re just very lucky. We’ll all die very soon
Damn, this vegan honeymoon has lasted me 15+ years ;)
Lol Mic your face in that thumbnail is just so exasperated, i love it
Overweight non-vegetarian says some of the greatest fighters in human history were overweight because they ate a mostly vegetarian diet. . .
Not to mention...that fat does not block fucking spears and swords haha. If ata ll a fatter person would be slower and a bigger target.
The Spartans of Greece we're famous for their fighting power and endurance as well as for their boring "Spartan" diet. Mostly grains and lentils.
Source: Asterix at the Olympic Games.
And by the way, the Gaules we're heavy meat eater who could only fight and compete under the influence of a magical potion
Overweight because hes packed with muscle. Dont be disingenious
@@darinnewhook9587 are we looking at the same person???
@@darinnewhook9587 talking about the fat researcher pictured at 3:20
Vegan it up, baby!!! Another win for veganism!!! We must fight till the day!!!
Mic, do you have any studies that will tell me when my vegan honeymoon is going to end?
It never stops peaking
every marriage goes through phases. gtem.
LATE STAGE VEGANISM IS A REAL THING
@@memefeed2147 how so?
Around 105 according to the Adventists
Its craze how non vegans who say that, you can thrive on vegan diet. But they still choose the cruel way to eat. Life time of misery for animal, for you 10 minutes of pleasure.
Curious how you get lifetime of misery for animals.. have you talked to any lately? Do you know the conditions they live in? Do you raise them? What makes this a legitimate statement? and just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean it is correct. Plus, Im pretty sure its not just for 10 minutes of enjoyment when it is literally fueling his body and keeping him alive...
Mic the vegan : "they cherry pick studies." Chris Kresser "They cherry pick studies." CONFUSING TIMES
lol man, you're wild. Kresser is smart as heck and acknowledges some vegans do it right. He acknowledges the benefits of a well planned vegan diet. Vegan clubs inability to acknowledge the nutritional benefits of meat makes you guys more radical than anyone like Kresser. So what if fumbled on Barley. He talked for 2 hours and goes through countless studies and dialogue. Everyone fumbles, even James A. "He cant read simple studies" lol. Blinded by being mad at counter arguments to veganism doesn't give you a free pass to being a jerk about it. The nutritional benefits of meat FAR outweigh the negatives if you're doing it right (just like veganism). The war is against processed foods. We shouldn't be at war against each other. I fully agree with the notion that animal cruelty is a terribly sad problem... but trying to act like veganism provides better nutrition than a balanced diet with animal products is..... such a stretch.
@@patrickfurlong2834 don't argue with a vegan they are the worst dogmatic zealots taking more offense than any religious fanatic . Just listen to this guy mic the vegan a arrogant stereotypical example of the "angry vegan" I speak of . They shoot themselves in the foot every time
@@MC____ yeah he is so angry... are you sure you know the meaning of this word?
@@GNMbg vegans are the most easily triggered people on earth and suffer from the worst confirmation bias as well . Add to that their morally superior attitude and it' is plain to see why the rest of the world thinks negatively of them. I personally feel sorry for vegans. They think they are saving the world forcing their beliefs on to others while becoming emaciated then often acquire psychiatric disorders . A tonne of experts far smarter than this goose have completely deconstructed the game changers movie . Anyone who believes it believes in fairy tales
@@MC____ ok
Just uploaded my response to this nonsense as well. Dude... how do you confuse simple carbs with complex carbs?! People really listen to this guy for nutrition advice. #vegan #plantpower 🙏🏼🍎🥦💪🏼
He probably was thinking about simple foods, aka peasant foods - Not fit for a nobleman like him
James Wilks is going on next with Chris, this should be fun.
Im so grateful youre out here actually doing real research and preventing lies being spread from the people who just want to keep the blinders on. Thanks alot mic!
Oh my God I heard this and couldn’t wait for you to do a response on it and debunk it thank you!!!!!
I am so grateful that our vegan community has you for a spokesperson. Thank you so much for your dedication to the truth, your insights and efforts to present information .
Is it OK to drink coca cola if yr a vegan?
I'm so glad that game changers has become so successful that these discussions are happening.
thank you so much for working so much on these important topics!!!!
Thirty nine years later, I'm still waiting for the post "vegan honeymoon" deterioration to kick in.
Wow rock on! Only 4 months vegan never going back.
@@veganbadbitch8961 Thanks 💐
Is that your face in the icon? I'd say it's already set in.
@@KarasekUS Haha ha. No, that's a meat eater named "Dr Sam Robbins"
@@Wearephuct-O Then look in the mirror.
Wow, awesome knowledge base Mic. Enjoy the videos and thank god someone is doing these as there are way to many videos out their to confuse the public. Holy cow...excuse the pun, but I was watching Dr Berg and omg I don't know what the heck I was thinking doing that keto garbage for over a month. Used to be Vegetarian but now whole food plant based diet....can never see going to any other way of eating....we've got the science :)
I was really hoping you would make this! THANK YOU!
Managed to make it almost half way through this episode with Kresser. I like to expose myself to the "other side of the store" as often as I can. The whole time I was listening, I was thinking, "I can't wait for Mic's response video!" As always, very well done, Mic!
How come this guy never has lifetime vegans on his show? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Because it's a fairy tale
It was funny, he really had no reaction when RZA told him his kids are lifelong vegans and the eldest is 21.
@@ninaacuna9540 oh yeah, I forgot about RZA.... Well he should bring on more vegan advocates to balance the views on his show.
@@thisisdeafening9933 you don't sound bored, you sound very triggered and defensive. 🤣 If you truly didn't care you wouldn't be all over this comment section whining.
@@thisisdeafening9933 Interesting you don't care but you trolls seem to love giving us attention hmmm.....
James Wilkes can kick both cressler and rogans ass in an instant.
Well, i think Kresser would be a non-factor.
@@HiddenStr3ngth would smash rogans face in though no danger
I pity the followers or believers of Chris Kresser. Good luck to them. Thanks Mic once again for your really important work here debunking them. You are laterally saving the world not just humanity.
Been waiting for this one 🔥🌱❤️
I love it when Joe makes up some shit and then states "...and that's a fact!"
Great response video, Mic. I'd pay to see you on Rogan's show.
Editing to accede to your request that people not criticize Kresser's appearance: His weak defenses must be due to having to constantly over-ride people's common sense and sense of self-preservation to drag them back into his cult when they question his dietary recommendations. Poor Chris Kresser. His job will never be done. These people are a menace to logic and public health. TFP, Mic, in spite of your obviously being aggravated by this drooling circle jerk pretending to be a reasoned discussion!
I’ve been waiting for this response video!
I’m so thankful for this channel.. and you... I’ve been looking for something like this... thank you so much from the planet, the animals and your fellow vegs ♥️♥️♥️
Anyone else think Joe always looks like he's having to try SO HARD to use his brain?
Cyber BB
Sludge blood and weed
Rogan is an idiot but so is this guy. They are basically all the same: NA eduskashion level vlogger/blogger/podcaster hacks that all of you morons listen to exclusively instead reading expert publications, to achieve maximum societal stupiditiy.
Wahoo! 2 and a half years still in my vegan honeymoon!
Good, I'm glad this came out. I was curious about your take on this.
You're soo good at what you do this would take me forever to put together. I can see especially when it comes to Environmental factors how deeply it affects you. Thanks for all that you do !
Y'know, Mic, if I watched that podcast BEFORE watching "Gamer Changers" and the other documentaries on veganism, I'd probably have believed most of it. You do a good service here. Joe will be fondly remember like a guy who passionately advocated the health benefits of smoking. This is not a good topic for him to come down on the wrong side about. In fact, it's really a bad one. Getting away from the worldwide onslaught of animals is the next level of spiritual evolution for humans. He's on the side of the troglodytes here.
PHENOMENAL VIDEO MAN!!! YOUR A GREAT INFLUENCE!! ✊🌱
Any input on the idea behind most B12 supplements being fed to cattle? I've looked into this, and I find plenty of instances of people making the claim (with few denying it), but I cannot seem to find any studies that present a conclusion supporting one claim or another.
such an important video! Thank you so much for that Mic
As soon as anyone mentions protein in a conversation about veganism, my brain turns off and I walk away.
@Big Olive Oil Probably more like he doesn't have the ability to create an intelligent and sufficient argument against it so he runs away. Disregarding debates on scientific research is plain and simple against science and progress. The SECOND you think you know everything is the second you stop growing and learning... and they don't want to learn, they just want affirmations to their opinion. They cannot handle criticism. They also can't be open minded enough to listen to anything that doesn't immediately agree with their own opinion.
Mic you're doing the Lord's work! Thanks for obliterating Kresser and Brogaine.
Oh God you crack me up with the "interludes" :D
Thanks for yet another wonderful video, Mike.
Wow, thanks Mic. I must say, I get tired of the "nay-sayers: about veganism. Those guys MUST be funded by the industry in order to spew such crap. Thanks for using your energy to help set them straight.
These “debunkers” always miss the fact that the vegan population is like 1% and yet it’s like a good 5% of elite athletes that are vegan.
M D lmao right.
Vegetarian for 7 years, vegan for 3+. Started eating fish, eggs, and meat on occasion a few months ago just to see if there’d be a difference, and it’s been a positive shift. Much more vital and focused. Think being plant based is pretty good overall and nothing against people who want to live that way. I was on that train for many years and got really deep into the community, however I don’t think it’s as clear cut as the vegan community leads people to believe. Encourage you to think for yourself and experiment with an open mind.
I wish people would stop misrepresenting each other’s diets. Vegans don’t eat just vegetables and get anemia. Paleo dieters don’t eat bowls of mayonnaise and get angina.
The Journal PNAS!! 🤣🤣
Haha, I'm not the only one immature enough to pick up on that!
Wow! Rogan needs to lower his roids dosage it's eating his brain cells. He's putting on a show that has erroneous info with a fake dr. that makes him look badly (trying to be nice, stup*d would be a better word!!). Looks really bad for anyone that knows basic nutrition. I can't believe he said obvious whole grains to be refined carb, what?? Thanks Mic for debunking this :)
Miss Heidi it’s the weed
Eight year honeymoon here!