The fact he’s a doctor aside, Dr. Mike really behaves like an educated person. He spends the time to know the situation fully, admits biases and states conclusions like an educated opinion and not fact. True quality content.
@@WhyArentYouVegan From your video - "Being vegan isn't about planning more, it's about learning a different way of eating." What a contradiction, I'm vegan as well.
Stumbled upon this channel. At 1st, saw it was a popular channel and stereotyped him to just be some good looking dude giving common health advice. But I was wrong. The man researched, did his homework, and is helping us by sharing what was learned here.
@@akilabsheep2184 a carnivore diet is a diet that includes meat. And yes bread is processed, but if it doesn't have chemicals there's nothing bad about it. Mixing flour and water would be considered a form of food processing, but "processing" isn't a bad thing despite having a negative connotation.
@@wuyev According to the American Debate League the aim of a debate is to convince the opposition that you are right, not about finding out the truth. www.americandebateleague.org/what-is-debate.html#/
I think it is the farm factory that is problematic not the nature of farming itself. Humans have practiced farming while engaging in a healthy relationship with animals. Of course, this approach may sound paradoxical depending on how animals may differ on their approach to dying to humans. So, going vegans definitely is the answer, but not too sure about messages about going on it 100%. Although, I HATE meat@
@@galvinperatt The "American Debate League" is not a central entity and is just some small nonprofit. Actually, the point of a debate is to convince the judges that you are more right than your opponent. If all you had to do to not lose a debate was just never agree with your opponent, then nobody would ever win debates.
I think the reason a lot of vegans say that they completely want to go against humans consuming any animal products is because of the intense harm and cruelty being imposed to the animals we consume as part of increased industrialisation and mechanisation of animal farms. And it is a reality that everyone should wake up to, not that all animal products are unhealthy of course, but yes the way it is processed and the cruel manner in which these businesses treat their bait should also be brought to attention, which really makes people question whether eating ANY meat at all is truly MORALLY acceptable, especially in the modernised world. I don't know if this point was made in this documentary though because I have not seen it but yes the extreme animal exploitation in farms is a reality all vegans want the world to wake up to.
Varinka....keep in mind..aninal cruelty and eating meat are two different things.. You need to separate the two.. Independent of each other.. Now, if your Argument is the process of (EATING)......the meat......is the animal cruelty..........Then...vegans are cruel....because they...EAT.....plants... Oh..thats that's right...animals are alive.... Oh, but wait a minute...plants are ALSO alive.. NEITHER animals ..nor plants have souls at least in the way humans do.. So..the component of CONNECTING EATING to cruelty...is dismissed!!! Now..I completely understand..the need to get rid of eating meat all together.... because there is so much cruelty..that goes on in the factories or bad farm plantations....before farmers kill the animals.. In fact..there is torture involved.. I know...its horrific.. But the point to take away here is......... the cruelty and torture component.. Does one chop a head to cure a brain tumor? Do you get rid of your fridge..because it holds food...because having food around you..you are a gluten?? Of course not!!!!!! See.. The prohibition is ......you stop the gluteny..not remove the fridge..... So, in the same PHILOSOPHY.....you fine a crime against the farmers rhat perform animal cruelty....thats the prohibition...not the consumption of meat itself.. Starting to sink in now?? Also..keep in mind...a man who drank carrot juice for 2 weeks straight died... That's right...he died from a vegetable... And so because he died feom a vegetable...does that mean we shouldn't consume veggies or at least carrots for that matter? Again....###×% NO!!!! Point again..you dont abuse even vegetables..that guy overdid it.. So..you also don't tortue animals.. Animal cruelty....and eating meat...are two diffwrent things..
Well, I'm vegan and I agree with most of what you have said except that we do it out of morality (We do it for that reason, of course, but there are a large number of people who do it for health and then continue doing it because they realize the disgust of the meat, egg and milk industry Etc, they use it as a tool to follow, it could be said), not because animal products are unhealthy, animal products are unhealthy no matter how organic you want to make them. My favorite doctors I could say that show it are Michael Greger and Neal Barnard there are many others of that I know but I love how they explain: th-cam.com/video/d0IhZ-R1O8g/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/v_ONFix_e4k/w-d-xo.html
@@alexandertorro Do you know a little bit about biology? Humans *are* animals. Arguing about plants is the worst way to question veganism, it just shows you didn't put a lot of thought into it.
@@sophonax661 ha..ha..so..your hitting the bullseye on tjw wrong target.. Your saying im arguing about plants... Only..im not arguing about anything first off.. Tbis is a discussion..dont go making ir more to disproportionate possition as to wrongfully exemplify irrational.. Yoir posisition and the other vegans are simply saying plant cruelty is nonsensical....but eating meatt isn't... Well using your logic that eating animal is cruel.... My question to you is what is tje basis for your foundation of that?
I think the biggest struggle with veganism and the "debate" between vegans and non vegans is that most vegans (myself included) decided to go vegan purely based on moral and ethical reasons. A person's diet is something that can be highly personal to them regardless of the type of diet that they consume, many people identify themselves with their foods, so it's hard to have a conversation about diet without letting your personal beliefs get in the way of that. It's not easy to stay objective about something that is so important to you.
@@nomnomgamer9882 I'm not even remotely nutrient deficient. I have regular bloodwork done and without supplementing in any way whatsoever, I'm within the necessary range for every single necessary nutrient. Maybe do a little more research before you make accusations like that. Thanks for your concern though.
Alison I did do my research, hence why I am no longer vegetarian. Blood serum levels are not dependable and deficiency can be masked by many factors. Especially when it comes to b12. This is well documented in science if you care to research.
In the end, veganism is less of a diet & more of a lifestyle free of animal exploitation. Vegan processed food is not healthy, and it may be a tiny bit harder for us to get some nutrients, but its completely possible to get every single nutrient. And the small inconvenience of choosing this vs that option does not amount to what animals go through to be turned into "food"
I disagree, I find it hard enough to care what humans go through. Much less what animals go through to get to my plate. Although I do indeed care about endangered animals ofc. I know a few too many people that have tried it (myself included) and just went through malnutrition. Most of the vegans I know were already more or less anorexic
My chem teacher taught me that in an experiment you are actually trying to falsify a hypothesis rather than proving it and by failing to falsify you are proving the hypothesis/theory
Kinda but in a debate the burden of proof is always on the person making a claim not the person refuting the claim. The claims in the documentary should’ve been backed up but instead James attacked Chris’s knowledge on the subject.
This. People don't realize how much the media affects their daily lives. When you cut out Television and/or reduce the time you spend on the Internet, you'll start to see what I'm talking about. Suddenly you have much more time at your hands and, believe it or not, you'll start feeling much better, too! You've been fed information all your life, and especially at times like these, when information is purposefully misleading or exaggerated, it can genuinely negatively impact your daily lifestyle
I'm sad that so many debates on nutritional perspective completely ignores animal suffer, deforestation, the social impact meat has on workers who spend all their day killing.
You said in in the first line "nutritional perspective". Animal suffers is more about morals what could be subjective, for me could be ok to kill a Cow or fish to eat and for others don't but I never see any of those conversations go anywhere, I compare then with conversations about being religious or atheist. About deforestation I don't know if there is a similar impact for plant based food, but for sure there is an impact in the planet in both. And about the social impact is a difficult topic to talk about, people suffering for the work they do, and think there is other works with the same issues.
@Zapp Brannigan it's on its way out. It is a primary source of disease and is becoming more and more notorious for this. Also, it's not delicious at all.
Personally, and my bias is that I am vegan, I felt the documentary wasn’t really to compare. I believe it was to debunk the myth that we are weak, skinny, and non-athletic. I realize others may view this as a comparison, but even Arnold said consider switching some foods for plant-based options.
Arnold sure talks a big line now that he is retired from body building.. he would not have done so during his reign.. It will however help anyone eating feedlot animals to diet on simple plants for awhile. Then go wild and pastured everything.
I’m more concerned with the medications they have to pump animals with to keep them alive in the conditions they live in. We have to wonder how much of those medical byproducts end up in our food.
I couldn’t have said it better. I love that you make sure that you cover every single side of the story! I think we can all appreciate that this video was very informative and included everyone regardless of their diet.
Doctor Mike, I moderated the interview you had with my class 2 years ago and I've kept up with your videos since then. You MUST get on the Joe Rogan Podcast.
@The Truth that doesn't give credit to the fighters who WANT to fight and test their skills. I train and enjoy sparring to show what I've learned. Those fighters get bloody but they might love it.
@The Truth go educate yourself... no one is forcing MMA fighters into the ring against their will, they do it because they like the challenge. Also, Joe Rogan used to be an MMA fighter, he promotes it because he knows what it's all about. And lastly, he's had some pretty amazing people on his show, doctors and scientists among many others. I don't know what you consider to be 'evil/bad' people...
@The Truth wow! Just cuz you don't like a sport does not mean you have to bash it. You don't like it, don't watch it. MMA takes a lot of skill and training. It's not a street brawl.
I am a vegetarian and have been consuming more veggies and fruits in my attempt to try vegan diet. And my body is loving that. Having said that, I haven't completely eliminated dairy products as I still take curd & cottage cheese along with some clarified butter. Feel pretty healthy and energetic. No complaints as of now.
Stick to what your wise forefathers did- not eliminating animal proteins (through dairy consumption etc). Don't get dragged into this western vegan nonsense.
I know people that switched to a diet with a lot more meat and felt the same way. The truth is that all our bodies are different and our lifestyles too. Everyone has their own diet needs and I am happy you found yours : ) I for example don't need to care about meat that much, I just need extra calories (rice❤). I eat meat or its replacements to make dishes more paletable. I just hope that meat-replacements become economically viable soon, cause some are really tasty.
Dairy products and eating eggs funds the cruel animal industries. Baby cows are taken away from their mothers and forcefully impregnanted to produce milk and male baby chicks are grinded alive because they don't lay eggs
My mom : Why are you even watching this guy? He is boring Me : Why not? An hour later Me : Why are you watching him? I thought he was boring? My mom : He's hot
I'm so greatful that you start the video talking about your own influenced opinion (I'm not sure how the hell to spell byas or byes or bias or whatever -sorry, English is not my first language) 'cause most people don't realise that we are all influenced in some way or another. It's very humble of you. I'm a vegan subscriber and when you talk about the vegan topic is one of the few times that I don't feel attacked, or feel dumb or deluded for choosing this lifestyle. Thank you for that. Now... On to the video, bee woop! xx Btw!!!! I'd love if you watched "what the health", is on Netflix and is about veganism too. The thing is that even ME, thought that the documentary was a bit shady. I would love your opinion on it. All the love xx
I find it so funny when people apologize for English not being their first language, and then proceed to type or speak with what seems like a better grasp of the English language then most people with English as their first language haha !
The movie "Forks Over Knives" adds a scientific approach to the total Vegan diet. I've already lost 15 pounds in 6 weeks and my blood pressure is back to normal.
Absolutely, I was just looking for a comment mentioning this documentary. I think it's a great film with great points, and I like that it focused more on a "Whole Foods Plant Based" diet. I wish he would react to that one.
Ok, so im female and have always been vegan my whole life. For me i cant compare anything, but ever since ive got my period ive like never had a cramp. Like for my ladies out there who struggle, go vegan to get rid of those cramps and also drink water because it helps.
@@anavasquez5231 I got my period as an omni, didn't get cramps. I went vegetarian, then vegan, still no cramps. I got cramps while on birth control, fucking horrible ones, but went away when I stopped the pill. I don't know if diet truly has anything to do with cramps, at least not mine.
I have no problem with essential oils. In fact I have some that I use when I get/give massages. I have problems with people making ridiculous claims about their “magical abilities”.
Just to clear things up a little bit for the confused people in the comments: Veganism: A *lifestyle* in which people do not use any animal products which means no: milk, eggs, meat, leather, fur etc. Vegans also do not use products which were tested on animals. Most vegans live this way because they want to eliminate animal suffering as much as possible, some do it for the climate or their health as well. Plant-based diet: A *diet* that doesn't contain animal products (some people also eat very few animal products) mostly followed by people for their health. Hope this cleared up things a bit :)
If only that lifestyle was just that rather than the self promoting, ego wanking, and nonsensical mantra that many of those whom both follow and promote present it to be.
It is still a lot of people who are against animal cruelty who are not vegan. Btw. When you throw away dead animals, instead of using the leather or something else,you are still hurting the nature. Because the alternatives hurt the nature...then the animal also, of course. It is'nt all that easy as it may seem at first...
Hey Dr. Mike, could you do a mental health video on the importance of the stories we tell ourselves about our own lives? People experiencing a rough time, or people who have just come through a rough time, have better outcomes if they’re able to frame those experiences in a positive way--as a story of themselves overcoming great odds, becoming a better person, finding meaning in their lives, etc. Also, something on Harvard’s Grant study.
My partner (we are both vegan) made a great observation that the aim of the documentary was to use sports celebrities to sell veganism to people... less of a documentary, more of a sales pitch... which is super meta because they comment on the history of selling animal products with sports celebrities in the documentary.
@@Vscustomprinting I think the best diet is the "blue zones" diet bcs it showed that it's healthy through generations A little bit of meat and cheese more fish and wine and a plenty of whole plant based food
Thank you so much for the video, Dr. Mike. As a person who has been plant-based for the past five years, I understand how challenging it can be. It took me a good while to figure the right plant-based plan for me. My reason for going plant-based was to try and lower my risk of inherent family illness. As you spoke about in the video there is absolutely such thing as an unhealthy plant-based lifestyle. In my first two years, I was eating unhealthy processed junk food. Thanks again for the much-needed content.
as a vegan and big fan of game changers I just want to say that you really talked through this super well!!! I really appreciate this. We should always question everything we see and hear and have these productive discussions like you said!
love how you framed the information. personal choice and individual health is key in these choices. we are not monolithic. i have been vegetarian for 30 years... my body. my choice. i have never and would never be evangelical about that to others. i explain why i became veggie and the array of foods i eat. i also explain about getting regular check ups/blood to make sure my body is maintained in 'healthy mode'. my choice works for me. yelling at people or shaming them about their dietary choices just puts up walls and creates barriers. cheers!
I agree, at most I would recommend trying meals without meat or reducing meat on some meals (for environmental reasons) and only if asked about it. It's a personal decision and a journey everyone has to take on their own.
I'm the same way (not being evangelical). I'm vegan, but I never bring it up with people I know, and I don't preach about it, (I do share information if the topic comes up, but I never bring it up first) because I didn't go vegan because someone badgered me into it, and neither will anyone else.
Absolutely, mostly removing meat entirely tends to come from 3 points, its how you were raised, it's a part of your morality or it's a virtual signal and its the last part that gives vegans the bad rep, people who are evangelical about veganism dont do it for health or morality reasons but for virtual signaling so they really need to convince themselves by convincing everyone they come across and it is just pretentious. I have a Mediterranean based diet with minimal meat because it just made me feel so much better to eat more natural foods and reduce my meat consumption. I personally have friends from both fields and there is little difference in their health so I advocate for both.
Wish more people were like this. Nothing is worse than having lunch with some preacher who is constantly asking stupid questions about why we eat meat, and telling about how wonderful life is, and how much more energy they have after going vegan. We get it, you are happy with your choice, that's great! But kindly put that energy to use on your own stuff, not on getting everybody else to become vegan. It starts to sound like a cult when people act like that, and it is honestly makes being vegan seem more off putting than is really is.
Thank you for giving me hope that there are understanding vegetarians and vegans out there. Most of the time I only come across judgy ones, the ones that keep on pointing their fingers. It’s annoying. And it makes me hate vegetarians/vegans subconsciously
Thank you so much for making this and clarifying some topics from the documentary. I almost used some points from the documentary in a speech, but I'm glad I double-checked for biases :)
So happy that buttoned down shirt Doctor Mike is back. Also, thank you for being so thorough in your research and being so upfront about your own feelings.
The main reason we have so many people that are obese is that junk food is cheaper than whole foods. If you're crunching pennies, you're gonna go for the least expensive thing. Most times that's something that is not good for you. A fish sandwich is $1.00 but the fist at the store is more than triple that price.
We probably live in different countries where prices are different, but from my experience, you can make a much healthier and bigger meal for less money if you buy the raw ingredients (dry rice, herbs, fresh fruit, fresh vegetables, dried legumes, etc) rather than processed food (cereal, sweetened drinks and juices, cheeses, yogurt with fruit in it, frozen dinners, salty or sweet snacks, etc). Even more so, you'll definitely save money by buying food at the supermarket and cooking it than eating out.
@@kerendn I think in developed countries with a lot of processed food, it IS unfortunately A LOT cheaper than just plain raw stuff. Just ONE pomegrate can be 5€/fruit!!! And Six nectarines is about 3€, when you can get a whole pizza or a whole meat soup meal by just 2 euroes! So two day junk food costs you less than 10 euroes when you can get by only max three kinds of fruits and thats it! Obviously you will not live two days by 21 or just 18 tiny fruits that are the size of an egg! Or by a big fuit per day alone! Hence it is no were affordable to be a vegan over here unless you can put 100€ for shopping trip in order to get well planned and balanced food! And those fruits survive only a couple of days before getting too moldy to eat!
@@EvaHoshizora I live in the US, in one of the all around most expensive states, too, & it costs far less money to buy ingredients & prepare your own food than it does to buy fast food. Even if it costs a couple dollars more upfront, it costs significantly less in the long run.
When I was in university, I came across raw veganism. Specifically getting information from certain influencers that basically just ate fruit and supposedly had great health. For me, while I thought I felt great for a while, I lost a ton of weight and my hair started falling out in clumps. The point of this isn’t to villainize raw vegans.. it’s to say following a strict or extreme diet is probably not great. Follow what your body tells you what you need :)
If you go in life believing what influencers say that's your problem, you should have gone to a nutricionist that told you how to take a vegan diet. Being healthy and not killing scentient beings that don't want to die in the process..
"my hair started falling out in clumps" What could be the scientific explanation for that? @KawaiiCat "I became ill on a raw vegan diet. " What was the illness? Raw = natural As for vegan... there's no disease only vegans get, so...
As a vegan, I think any raw food diet is a bit of a joke... but vegan raw food diets even more so, because so much of the protein we get is from pulses, which are toxic when raw, as well as most grains that have to be cooked (as far as I know? Oats are the only exception I can think of). Learning to cook was a huge part of the process of human evolution, it makes the nutrients in our diet so much more accessible, kills pathogens, denatures many toxins.. For sure some foods should not be cooked, basically fruits, but are they alone enough to sustain a healthy diet? I heavily doubt it.
I have a disgustingly healthy diet (which I offset with an occasional Coke or Monster Java, so I'm not puritanical about it!). Part of that is that I'm blessed to be super-sensitive to a lot of food additives (=migraine with *lots* of puking), so I avoid processed foods and fast food as much as possible. I cook pretty much everything from scratch. I don't follow any particular "diet" (vegan, paleo, etc), just fix what I enjoy & makes me feel good. About 90% of my food is plant-based (including whole grains), with plenty of prebiotics and probiotics. I get most of my animal-based nutrients from wild-caught fish, yogurt, kefir, and eggs. I will eat other kinds of meat, but very rarely. My (newlywed) husband says my cooking has transformed his life! Years before we met, he'd been dosed with heavy antibiotics for meningitis. Since then, everything he ate went right through him--he was rail-thin, with super-fragile skin when we met. When I learned about what was going on with him, I brought him a bottle of kefir--& things cleared up in less than a week! He's put on a healthy amount of weight & his skin is good now. The anti-inflammatory foods I fix for him has helped with his chronic pain (now if I could just wean him off Coke!). Quite a change from the Standard American Diet he was used to...(instant potatoes and canned peas, Lord have mercy!)(I think canned peas may actually have *negative* nutrition...)
I get canned food isn't optimal but peas in general, and even canned peas, are likely far better than any animal products you mentioned so far. It's crazy how much corruption money can drive society into.
@@neverforgettodofacepulls782 I respectfully disagree. Humans have evolved to be omnivores. Animal products contain essential nutrients that are very difficult to either obtain or absorb from other sources, without taking artificial supplementation. I personally prefer to get my nutrients in as natural a form as possible. There are indications that there may be a difference between nutrients in their natural synergistic combinations than when refined and isolated, in their effects on the human body. (eg consuming broccoli may have an anti-carcinogenic effect, but the implicated nutrients taken in isolation in concentrated supplements, not so--and they may even be detrimental.) Canning pulls pretty most of the nutrition out of vegetables. (And IMO canned peas are gross in flavor and texture, and taste more of can than vegetable, ugh.) Fish is high-quality protein, with healthy oils (fish oil has also been proven effective in treatment of depression, btw. I used to self-medicate with fish and roe when I felt one coming on). Yogurt and kefir have wonderful effects on the gut biome--as I've mentioned, I've seen kefir work near-miracles on people with IBS and other gut problems. They are also high in protein and calcium. Eggs are also a great source of protein, B vitamins, and a host of other nutrients--I consider them a multi-vitamin in a shell! Of course, as with any food, plant or animal, we must consider the source. Animals raised and kept in horrendous conditions are unhealthy, so their products are equally so. Plants grown on depleted soil that has been salinated with artificial fertilizers and drenched in pesticides are equally unhealthy. Vegans who know what they're doing and take the proper supplementation can be perfectly healthy--but it is not human's natural diet.
@@vanessaa.d.3200 Yep, I guess our bodies are letting us know right away what foods are toxic! Those not so blessed can just go on slowly poisoning themselves... Americans are infamous abroad for eating overly-processed food with tons of sugar. I lived overseas (Taiwan) for a number of years. I did my shopping in the traditional markets for fresh fruit & vegetables (harvested that morning!), and people would always ask me what country I was from (which surprised me, since my other foreign friends were always asked if they were American!). I'd tell them, & they'd be surprised and tell me, "But Americans eat food from a box!" A friend from NZ and I compared tins of Hershey's Cocoa Mix one time. He had one from NZ, his roommate one made in the US. Ingredients list from NZ: chocolate, sugar, milk powder. US: a list of ingredients that went top to bottom, very few of which were recognizable as food. What I don't get is the stuff here that has like three types of sugar--and then *two* kinds of artificial sweetener! Seriously? **Why????** Just how sweet do things really need to be? People here say they don't have time or energy to cook from scratch. Nonsense. There are many dishes I can whip up with minimal time and energy. I can pop some rice in my rice cooker when I get home, and fix a stir-fry in less time than my friends take to fix Hamburger Helper--and in pretty much the same time they take for a microwave meal! Or throw some veggies and herbs on some flatbread to make a quick (and non-greasy) pizza and let the oven do most of the work. While it's cooking, I toss some greens in a bowl and have a side salad. Dressings are quick & easy to make, put oil, vinegar & seasonings in a jar, you have enough dressing for a week (if I want creamy, I mix yogurt, lemon juice, & herbs). If I do prep in advance, it saves even more time on those "too tired to cook" days. I just chop up extra veggies when I'm cooking, and bag & freeze the extra for a later dish. Or make a large batch of something I'm cooking for dinner, & freeze some portions of it for throw-in-oven-and-relax-awhile days. Sorry to run on--cooking has always been one of my passions! 😊 My friends & neighbors are always coming to me for ideas on ways to cook something...
I will agree veganism isn't for everyone but personally before I went vegan I would only eat horrible processed foods like hot pockets and Beefaroni. 🤢 Switching to a vegan diet definitely made me try to eat better. I have since opened up to eating new fruits and veggies and overall eating more of them.
Adrienne Neilson You could keep eating like you are now, but add fish a couple of times a week, chicken once a week and red meat (if you want to) once a month and be even healthier.
I think you have summarized a great point about a lot of unhealthy behaviors. Getting to the point where you are actually making decisions about your health (exercising, eating, drinking, sugar, smoking) is sometimes the hardest step. Routine was a killer for me when I was trying to eat less. Every social event, family gathering, movie, you name it seemed to involve food. I'm not vegan, but by intentionally restricting my diet, it forced me to show down and actually think about when and what I was eating. Tldr good habits are hard to make!
I watched this expecting to hear some of the usual anti-vegan rhetoric that I see so much of. I was pleasantly surprised to see that Dr. Mike advocates a diet that is highly plant based, even though he says some meat is okay. I'm glad that he does not say that animal products are necessary, and does say that a wholly plant based diet is fine. He does mention supplements twice, and points out the possible need for vitamins B12 qnd D, and calcium. As a long term vegan I supplement B12. I have occasionally supplemented vitamin D, but never calcium - in fact a blood test once showed me to have excess calcium. Many ready-made foods actually have various supplements added, and I don't worry too much about supplementation. It's worth noting, though, that doctors in the US and the UK actually get virtually no training in nutrition - so your doctor may not be the best person to give advice! The point of veganism, however, is not health - it's about lessening the exploitation of and cruelty to animals. The health aspect is a side issue - even though it's beneficial.
@@KennethSee well i heard that the creator of dr. Stone is in contact with a scientist, so I'd like to imagine alot of the things in the show are roughly realistic although the execution might be a bit less Also i got a heart from dr. Mike so maybe he's interested
I would love to see you have a conversation- not a debate, with Dr. Greger, Dr. Ornish, T. Colin Campbell or Dr. Esselstyn. I think your large audience could benefit from hearing information provided by doctors who have a bias opposite from your own and who have dedicated their lives to researching the topics you're referencing in this video.
@Rhiannon - Dr Gregor et al. present the science, not opinion. There is nothing to discuss... You either wish to accept the science or not... no discussion required.
David Henderson lol Greger never comments contrarian evidence.He as biased as all of us.Latest evidence shows correlation between meat consumption and mortality rates.Vegans also have terrible mental illness rates and low thiamine levels(many times one fast away from wernicke encephalopathy) www.medpagetoday.com/primarycare/dietnutrition/82492 annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2752329/meat-consumption-health-food-thought annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2752326/effect-lower-versus-higher-red-meat-intake-cardiometabolic-cancer-outcomes annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2752320/red-processed-meat-consumption-risk-all-cause-mortality-cardiometabolic-outcomes
@@millerstation92 Just heads up, you mean "shows NO correlation between meat consumption and mortality rates." The studies you cited said the causal evidence was low to non-existent.
I’m a vegan athlete and love it. It’s super easy to be vegan, it just takes some getting used to. If you work half as hard on your diet as you do on working out you will have no problem. Not only is meat unnecessary but think of the horrible ways we treat the animals and the planet. We can be better if we want to.
@@tellym4138 Fair warning, it's very graphic and geared towards veganism as an ethical matter (which it is, anyways). That being said, it's extremely eye opening and speaks to how much change is needed in the way the world consumes its food.
This statement you made about the tests they did in the documentary: I definitely agree with you. It is in no way a good scientific experiment. However, it did help me realise that the things I put in my body actually affect it. We normally don’t directly see the consequenses of the food we eat, how it affects our bodies. Maybe this wasn’t scientifically correct, it does help to make people more aware of their bodies health
His statement isn't completely true though. They are actually running that study right now on the sleeping erections. So, it wasn't quite a pilot study, but it was a pilot study.
Thank you for this holistic, scientifically accurate, easily digestible perspective of Game Changers. I think even your own opinions are very fair and reasonable. Thank you for putting so many hours into preparation for this video. 👏👏👏This is a perfect follow up for anyone watching the movie and the podcasts because this is the most level-headed, non-propaganda pushing discussion about this topic that I’ve ever seen. While I love that activists make documentaries to encourage positive change in the world, I feel they often misrepresent some facts and lack diverse perspectives so it’s important to continue discussing and researching the topic rather than taking everything at face value.
I think that you allowed this video to feed into your consciousness of continuing the unethical, unhealthy lifestyle you follow. Ask yourself- what exactly did you hear that was scientific? Mike didn't reference any studies or other citations - he stated an opinion that is not baked by science.
Thank you for explaining how cognitive bias and "activist science" are present in documentaries. It is so hard to present data in an honest and clear manner with complex subjects. I really appreciate how you articulate the need for nuance.
You are ignoring the clear science because that is easier than addressing change in your own life and possibly needing to admit you have not been making the best choice for yourself, or your family. It's especially hard for parents to admit, however, if you'd like your child to have a planet to live on, I suggest doing some more solo research - not listening to a guy on youtube who is not citing a single study or scientific fact in his response.
Been vegan for 2 years now. Best decision I ever made! I did it for ethical reason, but the biggest bonus is my gut health. I had a lot of gas before, now Im regular and my gut always feels good. Was a real problem for me before so Im super stoked about that.
Debate can be fun, insightful, and diplomatic; it's not always unprofessional. And one doesn't have to be convinced to be persuaded. What one is coninved of is one's stance. Meanwhile, persuasion is merely being able to understand how and why the opposing argument(s) reached their conclusion and defended their stance. It's all a matter of nuance and perception. I don't mind debate, I think it's fascinating, inevitable, and helps us all *acknowledge* (instead ignoring to focus on the "shared similarities") and accept our differences, if done in a proper and professional way.
I agree with all the comments 1 to 3! My take: it’s too risky to embrace somebody/something that’s slightly different than you/your opinion because there’s a possibility „the other side“ isn’t that tolerant and might tear you into pieces. In my language we say „attack is the best defence“. I wonder if there’s a way humanity can ever change.
Game Changers confirmed what I knew from my own experience actually. As a wrestling competitor in high school I felt very lethargic in trainings after eating meat, so I decided to cut red meat. Then I thought "what if cut chicken too", so I did. THen I got curious about nutrition and ended up educating myself about the brutality, cruelty and the environmental impacts of animal farming and after a year I was vegan. I'm 26 now, I practice now BJJ and feel great physically and mentally being an ethical vegan, knowing that no sentient being is being brutalized, mutilated and killed so I can get their flesh in my body.
Rico, ur the REAL MAN who's not afraid to tell the truth. This Doc is the same as the thousands of all Docs who don't want people to know the real truth!
That’s because you weren’t following proper pre-workout protocol. Any experienced athlete and even any mediocre highschool gym student knows that you don’t work out directly after eating nutrient dense foods because it takes a while for it to digest. That’s why no matter what your diet it’s recommended to work out 2-3 HOURS after you eat to avoid lethargy and stomach pain. However if you have to eat right before training it’s recommended to eat carbs (something you exclusively eat on a vegan diet) as they digest faster into sugar. However it’s not good to eat only carbs as this increases the burden on your liver to break down the sugar into energy. So you work out on a sugar high and feel great but when you had a nutritionally dense meal and tried to workout while your body was still trying to digest and bogged down by that process, you felt lethargic... And the grass is still green... Hell even obligate carnivores have to wait hours before trying to do strenuous activity after eating their kill. You were just an impatient teenager it says nothing about how meat itself effected you training. Also even members of the Brazilian Jujitsu community admit that Judo is way more intense and explosive and much more draining on the system as well as BJJ being useless in real life combat. Also The BJJ community also admits that it’s way more technical than intense. Meaning you might as well be doing white belt elementary level Karate for the same “intense workout experience” as you would BJJ. But as long as the poor animals are being saved so who cares if your physical prowess suffers? After all you aren’t in it for the health, right? So who cares if you’d be useless in an actual fight and you’d be too weak to beat anyone with beginner Judo experience? Remember its for the animals. It’s for the animals. The animals, Rico. None of what I say matters as long as you keep your pig friends alive.
I completely agree that society as a whole should eat less animal products. I will never be able to go completely vegan permanently but I will choose the vegan/vegetarian option when I can
Something I found helpful is to change the ratios of what I eat. Like I generally tend to eat 50-70% animal products as part of a meal, where I've found that in many cases I can reduce it to 10-20% and still have a delicious meal!
@@landonp.4073 The difference between a vegetarian and vegan diet. I already go without that much meat products but you'd need to pry genuine dairy, honey, eggs and the like from my cold dead hands...
@@justinmyser It is difficult to get proper nutrion out of it and some people have to eat meat. Not knocking vegans but it is a hard diet from what i see of it.
I would love to see a video where you talk about or try the USDA MyPlate diet. It would be really interesting to see your take on what is taught as a "good balanced diet" by health classes in the US.
Idk but i yawned when i read that and i also teared up. I'm guessing that the movement of muscles when we yawn activate the tear duct gland in our eyes and thus the tears, also, there's release of some saliva when you yawn.
Pragya Pandey thats pretty much it. You’re tear ducts get squeezed when you yawn, because the muscles put pressure on your ducts when you stretch and scrunch your face in that way. So yeah pretty much what you just said!
So thankful you talked about this, I agreed with many of your points. I’ve been a vegan for three years now, and even my family has been really open to plant-based meals. I have a doctor who says exactly what you said. I was worried she would go against my decision, but she actually encouraged me and we went over how to do it correctly.
Yeah, it made me actually look at facts instead of just following propaganda. Now I only accept rigorous study to validate any diet. Unfortunately veganism doesn’t meet my standard of evidence.
@Bitterkind Yes it is a diet. The vegan society originally defined veganism as a non-diary vegetarian diet in 1944 by Donald Watson. The definition changed in 1951, 6 years after the society was founded, to include the philosophy of animal rights. The fact that it was initially only a non-diary vegetarian diet proves that veganism, at its inception, was a diet and only became associated with animal rights as animal rights activists began to influence the authors into their direction. Also, let’s look at the modern definition of vegan, shall we? “Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude-as far as is possible and practicable-all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." “As far as possible and practical..” Then by definition, I’m vegan despite the fact that I eat meat 3 times a week. Why? Because I’m breastfeeding and the American Academy of Pediatrics as well as my own personal pediatrician and obstetrician have told me many times that I can’t radically change my diet while I breastfeed and indeed research shows that going vegan or vegetarian can decrease the quality of your breast milk and has lead to deficiencies in infants in the past. So I, a very obvious omnivore, can be labeled vegan simply because it’s practical that I continue my omnivorous diet. This also extend to carnivore diet, the Inuit seal hunt, and even whaling. So yeah I did do my research and again, doesn’t meet my standard of evidence.
I think the biggest point of the debate was that Kresser was making outlandish claims and talking bad specifically about the movie, and Wilks was there defending his movie, NOT pushing people to do 100% vegan or they'll die. That's just my take on it!
Wilks's central claim was that meat was bad. He never got around to defending that claim. He debunked Kresser's claim that there's no evidence of b12 supplementation for livestock. He debunked Kresser's claim that it takes 5 tablespoons of peanut butter, but instead takes 4 tablespoons to equal some amount of meat. But I didn't really appreciate Wilks's lack of charity, and bravado about conspiracy. It's a similar tactic used by flat earthers. Not all of us are receptive to that kind of rhetoric. th-cam.com/video/euQ_izlFVe0/w-d-xo.html
I find Doctor Mike's take on it interesting and I love that he says at the beginning it's about the individual. I have Gastroparesis (paralysed stomach) as well as other dismotility disorders in my throat and intestines. Food doesn't move properly through my gut and can spend way too long there, fibre is the hardest. For this reason I could never go vegan. I can't eat salads, vegetables or anything of the sort. The only solid thing I can tolerate is red meat. I get so much grief from people who barely know me, telling me to watch this documentary because vegan foods will "cure me" despite me telling them you can't just undo a severed vagus nerve. The last time I had a couple bites of a vegan family member's vegetable stir fry I was hospitalised for days on morphine. It nearly killed me when I was trying to eat an omnivorous diet, my BMI was 15. I still get people judging me for my food. I get a lot of judgement when I tell people I can't drink water either. I wish the idea that vegan food is a miracle for everyone would be quashed, vegan food can (and nearly has) killed me so not everyone is the same.
@@nomnomgamer9882 I refuse to put all vegans into one category however I will say there's a large portion of "vegan activists" or vegan "animal rights activists" in the vegan community who yes, disregard medical conditions. A lot of them claim going vegan can cure my conditions which scientifically is not true. My gastroparesis is caused by Ehlers Danlos Syndrome which is a genetic connective tissue disorder. You can't alter your genetics through eating different food. If going vegan works for them, then great, but I think the idea that veganism is a cureall for everyone is preposterous and people shouldn't be shamed or attacked for choosing not to go vegan.
@@dianegaddayu What defines what is natural? Where is the line drawn? Technically all of our products originate from something in nature. But "natural" doesn't mean good, uranium is natural but it's also the ingredient in atomic bombs. Poison Ivy is natural but I wouldn't go lying in it. I've tried many "natural remedies" to no avail. What I'm doing now works, you could say eating meat is perfectly natural, so it's a natural remedy then?
Agreed! I too came to realize that I simply felt best whenever I had rare pastured ruminant meats and organs, along with pastured eggs. You might check out a few of these channels which debunk the vegan cults, including animal concerns: Paul Saladino/Fundamental Health, Ivor Cummins/Fat Emperor, Shaun Baker, Health Coach Kait, Health Home & Happiness, Carnivory Festival etc. Paul's recent debunking of the "game changers'" extremely slanted propaganda was super. I might likely have improved sooner and further had I not been brainwashed by the media and vegan cults for years..
@@dianegaddayu proselytizing in TH-cam comments? That's one of the more futile things I've heard. It's obnoxious at best and actively harmful at worst. Now, scurry off back to your tribe, so you can tell them about the big bad "others" that rejected you.
Well balanced and informative. Thanks for a great response to a powerful documentary. The show did indeed have its drawbacks, however the conversation is so important.
This is why I love you Dr Mike, you look at the argument from both sides and provide useful and helpful information and don’t force one side on us. If I ever see anything like this trending I’ll always come to you to see your side of the argument and to see how you approach the subject. Since I’ve started watching you I’ve started looking after myself more and exploring different diets and lifestyles that I think will benefit me. Thanks Dr Mike. ❤️
As a vegan, I am so thankful you responded to the documentary! I watched Gamechangers, and I did enjoy it; however, I too found it strongly focused on activism rather than solely on science. Nonetheless, I would never argue that everyone needs to become vegan, but I think we as a society could benefit from less animal product consumption. I also love to weight train, and I do see the benefits of a vegan diet when I train. All in all, thank you for always being so openminded to discussion on a variety of topics!
Lindsay H96 Hi. Would you mind recommending some vegan products you normally eat on bread? I already am vegetarian but I’m trying to go at least ,,half vegan“ 🤷🏼♀️. Yk I already don’t drink milk/eat eggs. But I just love cheese and don’t know what else to eat on my bread. So Im searching for a vegan alternative😊
I also think no vegan wants everyone to be completely vegan,because veganism is not advoacting for a specific diet.It is about about reducing your negative impact on yourself, the earth, environment and other organisms wherever and whenever possible.And highlighting the way we, humans treat and use non-human animals,who are mainly seen as just products and property.And replacing that traditional view, with recognising non-human animals as ,sentient beings,with body autonomy, who have the need and seek to live and die naturally.
If you live in the uk, tesco does some amazing fake cheese spread in the free from section,PBnJ is another option, apparently chickpeas are good in a sandwich, avocado, and also basic stuff like fake meat slices, n salad ingredients like lettice, tomatoes, cucumbers etc.
@@hannoveraner.quengel5221 there are vegan cheeses. There's a bunch so just google what u can get at your local supermarket/grocery store. Then there's also humus, avocado/guac, peanut butter (or any nut butter) peanut butter and jelly, baked beans, mashed beans, tofu scramble, ground tempeh or Tvp, and basically any meat replacement or egg replacement liek just egg does a very good egg replacement
I think Dr Mike approached this topic fantastically! I love how he acknowledged a vegan diet can be really healthy or very unhealthy depending on the type of vegan food you are eating. Veganism isn’t a cure all, and it isn’t for everyone. Personally I’m vegan for the environment and the animals. I love that I can eat in line with my ethics and stay healthy if I do it right. However I do enjoy some vegan processed products in addition to this, but this is not because I think this is still healthier than a well balanced omnivorous diet, it is because it stays in line with my morals. I think there is a lot of misinformation out there that says you can’t be vegan and healthy and this documentary debunked this so I’m really glad Dr Mike acknowledged this, whilst being honest that veganism isn’t for everyone :)
First off I would like to say really great video. The way you present information is really refreshing in a world where everyone is really just trying to blind people into thinking their opinion is 100% the only right way to think. Secondly, I understand what you mean about the conversation devolving into personal attacks on the joe rogan podcast but a point about the infamous "forrest plot". It really is important for someone who says they are an expert to understand the articles they are citing rather then just say what the authors are saying about the data because you can come to a different conclusion, or see the flaw in their reasoning. I recently started grad school and let me tell you this was a rude awakening for myself too. Also the fact that Kresser put his own words in quotes boggles my mind. It was his presentation.... literally the last place you would need to actually quote yourself. Not saying attacking a person is a good thing but these things should be noted when you're listening to someone else's "expert" opinion.
I recently found out I was lactose intolerant and as someone that got most of their protein on whey protein and tuna ( full time student and work full time so eat on the go a lot) . After weeks of just trying to increase my protein intake by increasing my meat intake I found it just wasnt working for me but it lead me to finding pea protein which has changed my life I feel incredible after taking it.
Hey! Another "real doctor" here. I agree that you can probably include animal products in a "healthy" diet and lifestyle, the same way as you can include chocolate. The problem however is that many people consume animal products, thinking that it is directly physically good for them. I also eat chocolate on occasion, because I experience a psychological boost doing so. Albeit I do not imagine me doing so is directly healthy for me physically. Same is the case for all animal products, not only red and processed meat (that were classified as cancerogenic as tobacco smoking, by the WHO already way back in 2012). This is what scientific consensus is telling us. Best regards, Tom-André Thomsen Norwegian M.D.
Wasn't the study on carcinogenic because of the carbon? So eating the parts that are overcooked? Also, I'm curious, I'm anemic and iron from animal sources is more easily absorbed (right?) wouldn't it be better for me to eat animal products rather than having a full vegan or vegetarian diet? (I know you can't give medical advice. It's more out of curiosity and I will not take it at face value before I see my physician.)
@@godlessfornicater if you combine plant based iron intake with vitamin c the body will absorb a lot more of it, so if you eat a high iron food like nuts and eat an orange just before that, you will get much more iron in the body
You were honestly the first video I watched right after the documentary and I have to say without seeing the others, you have the best mindset towards your critique. There's so many points you made that I completely agree as I was watching it but the way you did not want to make any absolute answer because you yourself don't have the concrete answer as well was something I don't see in alot of doctors. I truly appreciate your take on this subject and from now on I'm always going to reference that amazing quote of yours lol
aidsbrigade that wasn’t even the real statistic and you didn’t even listen obviously. Heart disease is COMPLETELY PREVENTABLE yet it’s the number 1 killer in the USA. The doctors are biased bc they know the truth lol sorry you won’t hear good news about your bad diet. Doctors are also biased and think smoking is bad for you i don’t hear you stirring the pot saying “oh all those doctors don’t smoke they are biased let’s bring in some smoker doctors and hear them”
aidsbrigade so you watch a documentary with tons of real doctors and nutrition experts. Next you link me to a blog post “debunking” the documentary written by some magazine journalist and ask me if I believe her but even further actually ask me to read it? Are you kidding me? Of course I’m not reading that it’s not science.
I agree with you 100 % in terms of your comments on the documentary . However , it’s disheartening that the main way to attract people to the vegan / plant based diet is to promote the health aspect of it . Just like you said , there is no evidence that well balanced plant based is healthier than a balanced predominantly plant based with animal products . The most convincing was for me is the ethical aspect of it which is undeniable especially if we can thrive on well balanced wfpb diet . I think we , as physicians, should also have a moral role to advocate for whole plant based for patients for animal welfare / environmental aspects too . I don’t think it’s a personal choice to consume animal as radical as it sounds ( not that I would say that out loud lol ) but I think we grew up thinking this way based on cultures, traditions and “that’s how our ancestors lived “ and taking that as an excuse to the justify the hurroundous treatment of factory farming and breeding animals for food .
Fact, in order for something to live something else must die. Its not moral to take away someones free will/choice. Convince the tiger to stop eating meat first. Not all animals are raised in horrendous environments, i.e. grass fed, grass finished which is becoming a more popular, natural, holistic choice. Our ancestors raised, breed, and ate their animals themselves. Thats really the only difference between them and us now.
@@vivianalouise8877 nice try but I've heard this before during the 80's we're all going to die.. global freezing hysteria. We are not God we do not control the weather which has always been in flux. There is a balance to nature, if all the tigers stopped eating meat vegetarian animal populations would flourish. When that happens.. well lets look at the dust bowl. One of the many reasons people migrated to the US was because average everyday citizens could eat meat every day. In most other countries this was a privilege only enjoyed by royalty. This moral judgement is not moral at all. Its based off of fallacies people hold about the nature itself. The mouse may think the cat is morally wrong for eating them, but the cat does not think so. I promise you, if you go into the wild and come face to face with a bear they'll have no moral reservations about killing you. We like to deem ourselves above and superior to nature but we are not. If you were starving and so was your family your misguided sense of morales would go out the window and you'd kill something in order to survive. In order for you to live something else must die, be it plant or animal. Thats a cold hard fact. If we start consuming only plants, we'd just start shooting the rabbit that is a threat to our food supply. Even though the rabbit needs it in order to live themselves. Please take your global climate change concerns to China which pollutes more than we do. Civilizations used to sacrifice humans to try and control the weather. The day mother nature wants to destroy us there is nothing that can stop it, as those civilizations (Pompeii, for example) found out. I will not submit to gov't overlords in some vain attempt of hope that they will save us from nature. Hell they're the ones that pollute the most! All those in the EU, UN, NATO, WTO, etc. We get to pay our gov't overloads emission taxes so they can save us 😂 Nature will always win! I have no false hope.
@@swordoftruth3530 Climate change is caused by human. By burning fossil fuel humanity raised CO2 level. CO2 is greenhouse gas and absorb IR this rise temperature. According to sun's cycles Earth should in iceage.
Good on you for sitting through that Joe Rogan 'debate' - I couldn't do it!! I got to like an hour and thought 'why am I wasting my time watching 2 guys snipe at each other?'. Thank you for the well balanced discussion on this.
@@DoctorMike Hi doctor mike! I have a question which maybe you won't reply to but I'm thinking for what to do when I am older and what advice do you have to give me. I was thinking of either being a pediatrician, emergency medicine doctor (ER doctor) neurologist or even harder a neurosurgeon. Taking it from you, how hard is going into medical school like and what are its advantages or dislikes. I'm not really expecting you to reply but it would be cool if you did then again I get you probably get flooded with messages so it's alright.
@@DoctorMike Doc I enjoyed your video. But sadly I edited my comment (!) Really, Indonesians love their fried rice but you know, palm oil. Also, rice + soy sauce: extreme cheap for end of month (waiting for salary to come) and vegan but unhealthy.
Omg by only watching your other "fun" videos I never knew how smart, logical, and deep you are. The way you go about facts, science, human interactions and emotions is " I don't really know much but from what I know I think it is this way but I am not a 100% sure but this makes sense", which is the right way to go about things, I think. XD So glad you made this video, cleared a lot of things up for me. Keep up the amazing work!
Doctor Mike well said 😁 Intellect and education do not collide with interest in video games. Furthermore, video games are a very welcome change, relaxing from a stressful day at work 👍🏻
Definitely liked hearing the nutrition argument in isolation. The consensus of this video, which I think is reasonable, was that a totally plant-based and partially plant-based/meat diet can be equally healthy. This is just the nutrition aspect, though. If you have the means (and your body is able) to switch to a completely plant-based diet, it’s definitely environmentally superior (more meat/dairy=more greenhouse gas emissions). At the end of the day, I agree with the video that people should try to lessen the amount of meat they consume. Though both diets are equally as beneficial for ourselves, they aren’t as equally beneficial for our environment (which eventually hurts us individually too). I think this should definitely be taken into consideration. Since we all have the responsibility of taking care of the earth, we should strive to be as plant-based as we can, even if its not 100% meat/dairy free.
Really good overall! One thing though, veganism is not a diet. Plant-based is a diet. So the documentary was not a vegan documentary, but a plant-based one.
@@Sally-hc5bz Yes!! What bugs me is it's never a discussion it turns into an argument and often gets personal. That's why I dont discuss diet, religion, politics, or abortion. It's just ridiculous how a lot of people cant just talk about these things it's never a sharing of opinions it's an argument. It's really sad.
@@Kobokhop22 Calcium defiency is actually a huge problem these days, not as large as potassium and Iron defiency but Calcium defiency is definately a thing
@@Kobokhop22 You get a lot less vitamin D on a vegan and vegetarian diet. A few other vitamins are also deficient in a vegan diet which is why those who are vegan/vegetarian have to take supplements.
I'd like to preface this comment by acknowledging you're an MD and I only define terminology, explain nutritional science for your viewers. My critique is your poor reasoning As an RN and vegan of 12 yrs, I'm obligated to point out some misinformation about a whole foods plant based diet in your video. I acknowledge this is anecdotal but wanted to give a little background on why I'm concerned and where I'm coming from. Addressing diet planning: A vegan diet doesn't "require more planning than other diets." Your bias kicked in here whilst stating it as a matter of fact. I've never had to keep up with tracking the various plant foods or nor had much clue about their nutrient content to be on a healthy "well planned whole foods plant based diet." After 12 yrs (only going to the doctor once due to a minor fracture which healed on its own; I recently took several blood tests 10 wks ago and they were unremarkable. My family GP was surprised to see me and impressed when he pointed out "I've only had a few patients with LDL this low" after I ponting out my vegan diet probably was a major factor. Most vegans I know simply eat an array of plant based foods with a general rule of making sure it is a colorful assortment not just green, along with vit B12 supplementation which EVERYONE should which I'll explain later. Diet is not a preference when it results in the pain and suffering of victims: Animal agriculture produces more toxic greenhouse gases then the world's entire transportation sectors which will increasingly usher in a global catastrophe. Whether we want to go plant based or not, our species will eventually be compelled to if we want our species to to survive on this planet. I'm aware of the possibility of inhabiting an exoplanet to continue our species or a few of us surviving the current ice age (that started roughly 3 million yrs ago) unless we dramatically halt the speed of our current ice age that started roughly 3 million yrs ago. And by the looks of this interglacial period, I'm not confident our species will survive it. Addressing industry research funding: It is primarily the beef, dairy and eggs associations that fund studies that always are in favor of promoting these "health foods." There's no broccoli or papaya association that funds WFPBD or vegan diet research. Addressing health concerns of a strict WFPBD: (Regardless of a diet preference everyone should supplement with B12 as a prophylactic.) A person on any diet can be deficiency in B12, it can arise from GI malabsorption and/or consuming mostly sterile whole plant based foods. Genetic deficiencies are incredibly small causes of B12 deficiency. Chemical agents such pesticides, over washing, and consuming animal flesh that had poor intake of B12 producing bacteria (such as Pseudomonas enitrificans and Propionibacterium freudenreichii) due to soil erosion and land degradation. Vit B12 deficiency will get worse unless aggressive and bold action is taken in our agricultural practices and lifestyle to reduce environmental pressures. Discerning between a vegan diet and a strict WFPBD: You admit to having bias which is admirable. You stated "I actually went vegan before and I did it for 30 days" without looking into what veganism is about. It's unlikely you adopted the philosophy of veganism for 30 days instead of trying a strict 'whole foods plant based diet' since you set a 30 day goal. A vegan diet is associated with adopting ethics of VEGANISM. Concerning The Game Changers: Why would a documentary promoting a strict WFBPD diet include nutrition experts who are opposed to the diet?? It's not a debate/lecture, a conversation or a special covering equal sides of a controversial topic. It's analogous to having a keto or paleo diet promoting documentary including world renowned nutrition experts who advocate a strict WFPBD diet or vegan MDs providing evidence for their objections. It defeats the purpose of 'promo'-ting a specific diet. Concerning unintentional misinformation: Fact: Essential amino acids from PLANTS are needed to form protein regardless of the herbivore species. A WFPBD is NOT limited to a specific plant. Plethora of herbivore animals are capable of eating over 200,000 species of plants. Btw cows also eat leaves, oats, and grains. Fact: You cannot get atherosclerotic vascular disease which lead strokes and MI with a strict WFPBD, yet can with any other diet. Atherosclerosis is inherently a multifactorial disease and extremely rare for it does result in death with a strict WFPBD even if its etiology is genetic. And you know the leading cause of strokes and MIs related to atherogenesis. Fact: We produce endogenous cholesterol that's sufficient to our body needs. Any exogenic cholesterol which is only LDL cholesterol (found in meat, dairy, and eggs) to a diet is already too much since we don't need it and so it end up getting stored. Yes saturated fat is a component of raising LDL but again saturated fat is primarily found in meat, dairy, and eggs compared to a few plant oils. We should all avoid oils! Oils are a pure extraction (removing one component from a plant). Why is putting a little bit of something bad sat fat and LDL a perfect recipe that can lead to HD, strokes, and heart attacks? We don't say "a little bit of arsenic" or "trans fat is ok for the body." I don't understand that reasoning. As a health advocate, I think that statement is reckless and potentially dangerous for your pts/viewers. It would be responsible/better to say, "I'm not sure at this time, which diet is optimal for human health." A meta-analysis of nearly 250,000 studies concerning diet, nutrition, and the connection to disease development including epidemiological studies was compiled by the WHO in 2014. The WHO acknowledges numerous health benefits reducing the consumption of red meat, the removal of dairy and eggs or even better a strict WFPBD and thus declared meat a type 1 carcinogen (in the same category of smoking tobacco and asbestos). Why would you claim "a little bit of meat is ok?" That's like claiming "a little bit of smoking" and "inhaling a little asbestos is ok despide science shows it increasing a person's risk for cancer." How much evidence do you need to stop saying "I don't think we know enough" then how can you assert right after "I think our research is really flawed?" I'm truly baffled by those contradictory statements. Remember no area of research is complete or 100% certain but we can come to a close reasonable conclusion. Just as we don't know for certain what gravity is exactly but have a good central idea based on mathematics in conjunction with physical laws and other well established theories and how it affects us. The American Dietetics association and The Royal Dietetics association, two are of the largest bodies of dieticians in the world assert a WFPBD is suitable for ALL stages of development as you said but including pregnancy and athletes. Look up the benefits of vegan pregnant women including benefits of raising children on a WFPBD (until they can make a conscious decision to identify with veganism). Children on a WFPBD have less obesity, asthma, allergies, hypercholesterolemia, HTN, HD, infections, and DM II. If that's not enough to convince you of the superiority of a WFPBD than nothing will. Not to attack you personally but majority of GPs (who most people see first) don't know enough to adequately treat their pts, they primarily treat the symptoms instead of the root cause of a disease. 18 of the 23 the primary illnesses affecting/killing Americans are foodborne or related to a poor diet which including an omnivore diet related. The more the diet moves towards a strict WFPBD the healthier a person is according to current data. Starting from carnivorous diet, to primary meat based diet, to omnivore diets, to lacto-ovo vegetarians, to flexitarians and finally vegans. Fact: The only diet proven to reverse HD and DM II is a WFPBD. Dr. Dean Ornish's study was peered reviewed and had his findings published in medical journals. He was a consulting physician to President Clinton and Sen Hillary Clinton which excluded oils, refined sugar, allowed egg whites only and no more than two serving of nonfat milk/yogurt. You can look at Dr. Dean Ornish's work with clinical cohort trials of pts with HD in which atherosclerosis was reversed without meds or surgery with his version of a WFPBD. Dr. Neal Barnard could not be more right when he says "An MD behind someone's name is most often a de-credential when it comes to a recommending a healthy diet which nutrition is fundamental in treating patients." Dr. Barnard admits he too had inadequate education. The quote is not an attack on you. In general MDs have poor education in nutrition despite the consequential role it has in health. Anything I've stated correct is from evidence published in medical journals, pervasive consistent findings of trusted experts in the field of nutrition/diet, trusted voluntary organization, and by public health national/international agencies; anything incorrect is from me. I enjoy most of your other videos I've seen that aren't specific to diet. Keep up the great work!
So Imma just copy this for whenever someone says “where do u vegans get ur protein?!?!?!!???” Honestly, I appreciate the amount of time you put into typing out this comment, and the sheer amount of information here
Well said!! I agree with every point you made, but the one I get hung up on most is that Dr. Mike just overlooks animal ethics without a second thought. It's scary how someone can love their dog so much and express zero compassion for animals that are equally worthy of respect.
I appreciate your well researched and descriptive points, I will say I think Dr. Mike is not ignoring the animal ethics, he is simply focusing on his based of knowledge and frame of reference...nutrition and health. He did mention at the beginning that he wasn’t going to address or comment of people who choose to be vegan for ethical/moral or environmental reasons. I also understand you are referring to a strict WFPBD, but a regular WFPBD IS what he recommends and from what I could fine online a WFPBD does allow for meat...and that the WHO categorized processed meat as a potential carcinogen, not all meat. it seems to me (it my admittedly VERY limited experience with nutrition) that your facts are supporting a lot of what Dr Mike is saying in terms of limiting meat and dairy products, but I can’t find many references looking up some of your facts to these specific health professionals and organizations you mention all promote outright “banning” meat as you seem to be suggesting?
The fact he’s a doctor aside, Dr. Mike really behaves like an educated person. He spends the time to know the situation fully, admits biases and states conclusions like an educated opinion and not fact. True quality content.
Doctor Mike gets logically assassinated and exposed here: th-cam.com/video/sJ6Fl0dwihM/w-d-xo.html
@@WhyArentYouVegan Go away troll... no one is taking you seriously.
@@WhyArentYouVegan From your video - "Being vegan isn't about planning more, it's about learning a different way of eating." What a contradiction, I'm vegan as well.
Indeed
Stumbled upon this channel. At 1st, saw it was a popular channel and stereotyped him to just be some good looking dude giving common health advice. But I was wrong. The man researched, did his homework, and is helping us by sharing what was learned here.
Mike: "you shouldn't eat processed food"
Me, eating a grape popsicle: *I agree*
Is bread processed food ? ^^
@@akilabsheep2184 yes, though i support the carnivore diet so im bias
What is "carnivore diet" ?
What do you eat ?
@@akilabsheep2184 a carnivore diet is a diet that includes meat. And yes bread is processed, but if it doesn't have chemicals there's nothing bad about it. Mixing flour and water would be considered a form of food processing, but "processing" isn't a bad thing despite having a negative connotation.
Akilab Sheep , the carnivore diet you eat meat only
"A debate is about winning. A conversation is about truth seeking together." Exactly!
Go Vegan 💚🌱
a debate is about finding out the truth not about winning
@@wuyev According to the American Debate League the aim of a debate is to convince the opposition that you are right, not about finding out the truth. www.americandebateleague.org/what-is-debate.html#/
I think it is the farm factory that is problematic not the nature of farming itself. Humans have practiced farming while engaging in a healthy relationship with animals. Of course, this approach may sound paradoxical depending on how animals may differ on their approach to dying to humans. So, going vegans definitely is the answer, but not too sure about messages about going on it 100%. Although, I HATE meat@
@@galvinperatt The "American Debate League" is not a central entity and is just some small nonprofit. Actually, the point of a debate is to convince the judges that you are more right than your opponent. If all you had to do to not lose a debate was just never agree with your opponent, then nobody would ever win debates.
I think the reason a lot of vegans say that they completely want to go against humans consuming any animal products is because of the intense harm and cruelty being imposed to the animals we consume as part of increased industrialisation and mechanisation of animal farms. And it is a reality that everyone should wake up to, not that all animal products are unhealthy of course, but yes the way it is processed and the cruel manner in which these businesses treat their bait should also be brought to attention, which really makes people question whether eating ANY meat at all is truly MORALLY acceptable, especially in the modernised world. I don't know if this point was made in this documentary though because I have not seen it but yes the extreme animal exploitation in farms is a reality all vegans want the world to wake up to.
Varinka....keep in mind..aninal cruelty and eating meat are two different things.. You need to separate the two.. Independent of each other..
Now, if your Argument is the process of (EATING)......the meat......is the animal cruelty..........Then...vegans are cruel....because they...EAT.....plants...
Oh..thats that's right...animals are alive.... Oh, but wait a minute...plants are ALSO alive..
NEITHER animals ..nor plants have souls at least in the way humans do..
So..the component of CONNECTING EATING to cruelty...is dismissed!!!
Now..I completely understand..the need to get rid of eating meat all together.... because there is so much cruelty..that goes on in the factories or bad farm plantations....before farmers kill the animals.. In fact..there is torture involved..
I know...its horrific..
But the point to take away here is......... the cruelty and torture component..
Does one chop a head to cure a brain tumor? Do you get rid of your fridge..because it holds food...because having food around you..you are a gluten?? Of course not!!!!!!
See.. The prohibition is ......you stop the gluteny..not remove the fridge.....
So, in the same PHILOSOPHY.....you fine a crime against the farmers rhat perform animal cruelty....thats the prohibition...not the consumption of meat itself.. Starting to sink in now??
Also..keep in mind...a man who drank carrot juice for 2 weeks straight died... That's right...he died from a vegetable... And so because he died feom a vegetable...does that mean we shouldn't consume veggies or at least carrots for that matter?
Again....###×% NO!!!!
Point again..you dont abuse even vegetables..that guy overdid it..
So..you also don't tortue animals..
Animal cruelty....and eating meat...are two diffwrent things..
Alexander Torro Eating meat and dairy is funding these animal cruelty industries.
Well, I'm vegan and I agree with most of what you have said except that we do it out of morality (We do it for that reason, of course, but there are a large number of people who do it for health and then continue doing it because they realize the disgust of the meat, egg and milk industry Etc, they use it as a tool to follow, it could be said), not because animal products are unhealthy, animal products are unhealthy no matter how organic you want to make them.
My favorite doctors I could say that show it are Michael Greger and Neal Barnard there are many others of that I know but I love how they explain: th-cam.com/video/d0IhZ-R1O8g/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/v_ONFix_e4k/w-d-xo.html
@@alexandertorro
Do you know a little bit about biology? Humans *are* animals.
Arguing about plants is the worst way to question veganism, it just shows you didn't put a lot of thought into it.
@@sophonax661 ha..ha..so..your hitting the bullseye on tjw wrong target.. Your saying im arguing about plants... Only..im not arguing about anything first off.. Tbis is a discussion..dont go making ir more to disproportionate possition as to wrongfully exemplify irrational.. Yoir posisition and the other vegans are simply saying plant cruelty is nonsensical....but eating meatt isn't...
Well using your logic that eating animal is cruel.... My question to you is what is tje basis for your foundation of that?
I think the biggest struggle with veganism and the "debate" between vegans and non vegans is that most vegans (myself included) decided to go vegan purely based on moral and ethical reasons. A person's diet is something that can be highly personal to them regardless of the type of diet that they consume, many people identify themselves with their foods, so it's hard to have a conversation about diet without letting your personal beliefs get in the way of that. It's not easy to stay objective about something that is so important to you.
especially when your choices have victims and you dont want to admit it to yourself or have the courage to change
I went plant based due to health,vegan for ethical reasons. It just happened to be in the same night lol. Best decision I've ever made.
You’re a grossly misinformed on the science if you believe a nutrient deficient diet is healthier.
@@nomnomgamer9882 I'm not even remotely nutrient deficient. I have regular bloodwork done and without supplementing in any way whatsoever, I'm within the necessary range for every single necessary nutrient. Maybe do a little more research before you make accusations like that. Thanks for your concern though.
Alison I did do my research, hence why I am no longer vegetarian. Blood serum levels are not dependable and deficiency can be masked by many factors. Especially when it comes to b12. This is well documented in science if you care to research.
In the end, veganism is less of a diet & more of a lifestyle free of animal exploitation. Vegan processed food is not healthy, and it may be a tiny bit harder for us to get some nutrients, but its completely possible to get every single nutrient. And the small inconvenience of choosing this vs that option does not amount to what animals go through to be turned into "food"
I don’t think the quotes are necessary, meat is definitely food
It's not a small inconvenience, it's close to impossible long term.
I disagree, I find it hard enough to care what humans go through. Much less what animals go through to get to my plate. Although I do indeed care about endangered animals ofc. I know a few too many people that have tried it (myself included) and just went through malnutrition. Most of the vegans I know were already more or less anorexic
And it is approved by international health organizations that from child to adult and pregnant women can live vegan totally fine.
@@hypotheticlz yes meat is food , for animals.
Why is no one pointing out that doctor mike always says I think. He never says that something IS like that. ❤️
Yeah because he doesn't know the truth lmao
That is the sign of a prudent person. It indicates that he has "thought" about it.
He is giving his personal opinion.
Im not supposed to give my opinion *but*
Being a doctor he has probably learned that he can't be framing his opinion as a fact.
My chem teacher taught me that in an experiment you are actually trying to falsify a hypothesis rather than proving it and by failing to falsify you are proving the hypothesis/theory
The world is full of invisible pink elephants. You can't falsify it, therefore it's true.
@@okmanek69 what do you mean by full? That is a very easily falsifiable hypothesis.
Kinda but in a debate the burden of proof is always on the person making a claim not the person refuting the claim. The claims in the documentary should’ve been backed up but instead James attacked Chris’s knowledge on the subject.
This is exactly how real science is done. Your teacher taught you well!
I cut down 80% of social media and 100% of Television - I am much healthier
yea
Did the same best thing I did
It truly works.
i liked your replay, but i guees youll never see :)
This. People don't realize how much the media affects their daily lives. When you cut out Television and/or reduce the time you spend on the Internet, you'll start to see what I'm talking about. Suddenly you have much more time at your hands and, believe it or not, you'll start feeling much better, too! You've been fed information all your life, and especially at times like these, when information is purposefully misleading or exaggerated, it can genuinely negatively impact your daily lifestyle
You know it's a serious video when we didn't get the "beaa-woop"
Theyodawg It’s “pee-woop”! Lol he feels strongly about the distinction ;)
Was just about to watch this documentary because I have gotten a few questons from patients as well! Great timing!
Noice
POC Female Doctor? In the UK? I’m suddenly a big fan!!!!
Doctor Nosa hopefully you’ll be able to watch this and the doc after!
@lexicon jordan No offence but female doctors in the UK arn't that rare
@@Stettafire exactly
I'm sad that so many debates on nutritional perspective completely ignores animal suffer, deforestation, the social impact meat has on workers who spend all their day killing.
You said in in the first line "nutritional perspective".
Animal suffers is more about morals what could be subjective, for me could be ok to kill a Cow or fish to eat and for others don't but I never see any of those conversations go anywhere, I compare then with conversations about being religious or atheist.
About deforestation I don't know if there is a similar impact for plant based food, but for sure there is an impact in the planet in both.
And about the social impact is a difficult topic to talk about, people suffering for the work they do, and think there is other works with the same issues.
@Zapp Brannigan I think it's on a slow decline already. At least in the west.
Zapp Brannigan It’s in decline in Russia especially in big city’s like Moscow
@Zapp Brannigan it's on its way out. It is a primary source of disease and is becoming more and more notorious for this. Also, it's not delicious at all.
@@peteb1206 if meat food wasn't delicious, vegan food wouldn't be allways imitating its flavour.
Your channel is the perfect example of edutainment...freaking love you man
Personally, and my bias is that I am vegan, I felt the documentary wasn’t really to compare. I believe it was to debunk the myth that we are weak, skinny, and non-athletic.
I realize others may view this as a comparison, but even Arnold said consider switching some foods for plant-based options.
It was a propaganda piece to talk up veganism, but the bias was so crude and obvious it rings true only to little kids and morons.
@@nomnomgamer9882 Dude. You're in several comments just attempting to derail any positive commentary to be had. Don't speak on bias.
Proof that u are wrong:
th-cam.com/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/w-d-xo.html
Arnold sure talks a big line now that he is retired from body building.. he would not have done so during his reign.. It will however help anyone eating feedlot animals to diet on simple plants for awhile. Then go wild and pastured everything.
@@nomnomgamer9882 Yes, I too am weary of all the cherry pickers out there, like the china study, esselstyn et al..
We need merch with the phrase: "your cognitive bias is showing"
I would love that! 😊
YES.
I second this!
Or perhaps "My cognitive bias is showing".
Oooo yes
I’m more concerned with the medications they have to pump animals with to keep them alive in the conditions they live in. We have to wonder how much of those medical byproducts end up in our food.
And I worry about multi resistant bacteria that don’t respond to any medications
And I worry about the delusional vegans that think it’s okay to not eat meat
Lest we forget how many pesticides are found in produce
@@zaxbitterzen2178 not vegan but, animals eat the same pesticide filled plants in their feed
@@vibes8924 well that makes no sense at all...so you are saying everyone HAS to eat meat? 😂
I couldn’t have said it better. I love that you make sure that you cover every single side of the story! I think we can all appreciate that this video was very informative and included everyone regardless of their diet.
Doctor Mike, I moderated the interview you had with my class 2 years ago and I've kept up with your videos since then. You MUST get on the Joe Rogan Podcast.
@The Truth joe Rogan is my dude, man. He actually has a lot of doctors on the show. Doctor Mike would work perfectly.
@The Truth that doesn't give credit to the fighters who WANT to fight and test their skills. I train and enjoy sparring to show what I've learned. Those fighters get bloody but they might love it.
@The Truth also football is the same in the brutal regard. People have died in that sport but you b
Probably dont want to acknowledge that.
@The Truth go educate yourself... no one is forcing MMA fighters into the ring against their will, they do it because they like the challenge. Also, Joe Rogan used to be an MMA fighter, he promotes it because he knows what it's all about. And lastly, he's had some pretty amazing people on his show, doctors and scientists among many others. I don't know what you consider to be 'evil/bad' people...
@The Truth wow! Just cuz you don't like a sport does not mean you have to bash it. You don't like it, don't watch it. MMA takes a lot of skill and training. It's not a street brawl.
Your matching shirt and tie is so cute lol. Love how you dress up to film videos for us 😂
I am a vegetarian and have been consuming more veggies and fruits in my attempt to try vegan diet. And my body is loving that. Having said that, I haven't completely eliminated dairy products as I still take curd & cottage cheese along with some clarified butter. Feel pretty healthy and energetic. No complaints as of now.
Stick to what your wise forefathers did- not eliminating animal proteins (through dairy consumption etc). Don't get dragged into this western vegan nonsense.
I know people that switched to a diet with a lot more meat and felt the same way. The truth is that all our bodies are different and our lifestyles too. Everyone has their own diet needs and I am happy you found yours : )
I for example don't need to care about meat that much, I just need extra calories (rice❤). I eat meat or its replacements to make dishes more paletable. I just hope that meat-replacements become economically viable soon, cause some are really tasty.
Dairy products and eating eggs funds the cruel animal industries. Baby cows are taken away from their mothers and forcefully impregnanted to produce milk and male baby chicks are grinded alive because they don't lay eggs
congrats on not getting any protein or having any muscles
My mom : Why are you even watching this guy? He is boring
Me : Why not?
An hour later
Me : Why are you watching him? I thought he was boring?
My mom : He's hot
HE LIKED THIS COMMENT HAHAHAHAHA
Not gonna lie thats what got me started, now Im hooked!
Amanda Peters Im a guy. And I have the same reason.
Kid: I'm telling dad.
Yeah I watched more because he's easy on the eyes lol
I'm so greatful that you start the video talking about your own influenced opinion (I'm not sure how the hell to spell byas or byes or bias or whatever -sorry, English is not my first language) 'cause most people don't realise that we are all influenced in some way or another. It's very humble of you. I'm a vegan subscriber and when you talk about the vegan topic is one of the few times that I don't feel attacked, or feel dumb or deluded for choosing this lifestyle. Thank you for that. Now... On to the video, bee woop! xx
Btw!!!! I'd love if you watched "what the health", is on Netflix and is about veganism too. The thing is that even ME, thought that the documentary was a bit shady. I would love your opinion on it. All the love xx
the right spelling is bias :)
He has actually watched and reviwed What the Health! There is a video somewhere in his channel
Cool idea
I find it so funny when people apologize for English not being their first language, and then proceed to type or speak with what seems like a better grasp of the English language then most people with English as their first language haha !
You can be a vegan all you want but please don't harrass the omnivores
The movie "Forks Over Knives" adds a scientific approach to the total Vegan diet. I've already lost 15 pounds in 6 weeks and my blood pressure is back to normal.
Absolutely, I was just looking for a comment mentioning this documentary. I think it's a great film with great points, and I like that it focused more on a "Whole Foods Plant Based" diet. I wish he would react to that one.
:)
Yes I love that documentary! I've seen it at least 10 times with various friends and family
Ok, so im female and have always been vegan my whole life. For me i cant compare anything, but ever since ive got my period ive like never had a cramp. Like for my ladies out there who struggle, go vegan to get rid of those cramps and also drink water because it helps.
@@anavasquez5231 I got my period as an omni, didn't get cramps. I went vegetarian, then vegan, still no cramps. I got cramps while on birth control, fucking horrible ones, but went away when I stopped the pill. I don't know if diet truly has anything to do with cramps, at least not mine.
Since going plant based vegan, I feel so vibrant and energetic!
Sugar overdose
@@Littlevisser wtf
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same with me!
@@Littlevisser normal blood sugar! you are just jealous!
*Essential oils on the Thrive Market page*
Dr. Mike: "I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that"
Lmao
I have no problem with essential oils. In fact I have some that I use when I get/give massages. I have problems with people making ridiculous claims about their “magical abilities”.
@@DoctorMike Thank you for clarifying Doctor. Please please keep up the great work!
Doctor Mike magical 🧙♀️
Hahaha ikr, I mean I love lavender for night time and headaches and make my own deodorant with essential oils too but some people go overboard!
Just to clear things up a little bit for the confused people in the comments:
Veganism: A *lifestyle* in which people do not use any animal products which means no: milk, eggs, meat, leather, fur etc. Vegans also do not use products which were tested on animals. Most vegans live this way because they want to eliminate animal suffering as much as possible, some do it for the climate or their health as well.
Plant-based diet: A *diet* that doesn't contain animal products (some people also eat very few animal products) mostly followed by people for their health.
Hope this cleared up things a bit :)
Lil Me spot on
If only that lifestyle was just that rather than the self promoting, ego wanking, and nonsensical mantra that many of those whom both follow and promote present it to be.
It is still a lot of people who are against animal cruelty who are not vegan.
Btw. When you throw away dead animals, instead of using the leather or something else,you are still hurting the nature. Because the alternatives hurt the nature...then the animal also, of course.
It is'nt all that easy as it may seem at first...
This, so much this. Vegan is an ethical stand point, vegan DOES NOT mean healthy. Whole food plant based is just food.
how does it help the climate by not eating meat?
Hey Dr. Mike, could you do a mental health video on the importance of the stories we tell ourselves about our own lives? People experiencing a rough time, or people who have just come through a rough time, have better outcomes if they’re able to frame those experiences in a positive way--as a story of themselves overcoming great odds, becoming a better person, finding meaning in their lives, etc. Also, something on Harvard’s Grant study.
Yes this would be amazing! 🙌🏽🙌🏽
Currently doing DBT with my daughter (mental health issues) and this sounds like that. I agree with you
Great request. Love to see that.
Yes
Yes please 😊
My partner (we are both vegan) made a great observation that the aim of the documentary was to use sports celebrities to sell veganism to people... less of a documentary, more of a sales pitch... which is super meta because they comment on the history of selling animal products with sports celebrities in the documentary.
I’m really happy that you are both vegan, but I think you missed the point of the movie.
Documentaries always have an angle. It's okay, as long as we keep that in mind.
is that what you tell yourself to help keep your cogntive dissonance at bay?
@paul w hahah you call me names because you know im right
@@Vscustomprinting I think the best diet is the "blue zones" diet bcs it showed that it's healthy through generations
A little bit of meat and cheese more fish and wine and a plenty of whole plant based food
Most everything does have an angle. Do you think all the advertising done by the meat & dairy industries do not have an angle?
Do you mean being produced from an investor in pea protein manufacturing?
Thank you so much for the video, Dr. Mike. As a person who has been plant-based for the past five years, I understand how challenging it can be. It took me a good while to figure the right plant-based plan for me. My reason for going plant-based was to try and lower my risk of inherent family illness. As you spoke about in the video there is absolutely such thing as an unhealthy plant-based lifestyle. In my first two years, I was eating unhealthy processed junk food. Thanks again for the much-needed content.
it's 01.00 am, i'm ready to sleep, when i see this vid... well, i'm just hoping tomorrow the professor cancels the 7am class.
Oh you are in the same timezone as me 😍
Yup ,although its like 11 here. But yeah get u .
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-11 hours est?
7 hours ago was... lunch for me :v
as a vegan and big fan of game changers I just want to say that you really talked through this super well!!! I really appreciate this. We should always question everything we see and hear and have these productive discussions like you said!
love how you framed the information. personal choice and individual health is key in these choices. we are not monolithic. i have been vegetarian for 30 years... my body. my choice. i have never and would never be evangelical about that to others. i explain why i became veggie and the array of foods i eat. i also explain about getting regular check ups/blood to make sure my body is maintained in 'healthy mode'. my choice works for me. yelling at people or shaming them about their dietary choices just puts up walls and creates barriers. cheers!
I agree, at most I would recommend trying meals without meat or reducing meat on some meals (for environmental reasons) and only if asked about it.
It's a personal decision and a journey everyone has to take on their own.
I'm the same way (not being evangelical). I'm vegan, but I never bring it up with people I know, and I don't preach about it, (I do share information if the topic comes up, but I never bring it up first) because I didn't go vegan because someone badgered me into it, and neither will anyone else.
Absolutely, mostly removing meat entirely tends to come from 3 points, its how you were raised, it's a part of your morality or it's a virtual signal and its the last part that gives vegans the bad rep, people who are evangelical about veganism dont do it for health or morality reasons but for virtual signaling so they really need to convince themselves by convincing everyone they come across and it is just pretentious.
I have a Mediterranean based diet with minimal meat because it just made me feel so much better to eat more natural foods and reduce my meat consumption.
I personally have friends from both fields and there is little difference in their health so I advocate for both.
Wish more people were like this. Nothing is worse than having lunch with some preacher who is constantly asking stupid questions about why we eat meat, and telling about how wonderful life is, and how much more energy they have after going vegan. We get it, you are happy with your choice, that's great! But kindly put that energy to use on your own stuff, not on getting everybody else to become vegan. It starts to sound like a cult when people act like that, and it is honestly makes being vegan seem more off putting than is really is.
Thank you for giving me hope that there are understanding vegetarians and vegans out there. Most of the time I only come across judgy ones, the ones that keep on pointing their fingers. It’s annoying. And it makes me hate vegetarians/vegans subconsciously
Where is my "beee whooop", doc??
Haha I didn’t feel like it belonged in this video
@@aa-jm7js He's talking about serious topic in this video.
@@gs4ndy175 I think she means what is the meaning of the "pee-whoop"
@@aa-jm7js it is for the transitioning to the actual content of the video
@@DoctorMike Good call
Thank you for taking the time to watch the documentary and give us your thoughts. I love your content! Thank you for what you do sir!
Thank you so much for making this and clarifying some topics from the documentary. I almost used some points from the documentary in a speech, but I'm glad I double-checked for biases :)
So happy that buttoned down shirt Doctor Mike is back. Also, thank you for being so thorough in your research and being so upfront about your own feelings.
Lol. Buttoned down but about to burst ✌️😂
Petition to get Dr.Mike to make "Chest compressions", "essential oil" and "anti vaccine" merch
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Probably not anti vaccines as he is a doctor and people would be like "um excuse you" idk maybe im just thinking too hard about innocent merch lmao
Beeeeeee woop shirts!!!
@@lunar4724 I think the merch would be anti-antivaccine
@@vxsios same with essential oils. Anti essential oils. 😂
@@vxsios okay thats what i thought, id definitely buy that!!
Imagine being a kid, going to the doctor, then your parent gives you their phone for TH-cam and you find your doctor
This is a way too reasonable, intelligent, and balanced viewpoint for the Internet.
Who else is excited they woke up early for once hahaha
Me lol
Woke early? I'm going to bed already
@@milomhoek me too it's like 21:00
early? dude this was literally uploaded at like 10am
ahahahaha
that feeling when the one day you wake up early is on sunday
The main reason we have so many people that are obese is that junk food is cheaper than whole foods. If you're crunching pennies, you're gonna go for the least expensive thing. Most times that's something that is not good for you. A fish sandwich is $1.00 but the fist at the store is more than triple that price.
We probably live in different countries where prices are different, but from my experience, you can make a much healthier and bigger meal for less money if you buy the raw ingredients (dry rice, herbs, fresh fruit, fresh vegetables, dried legumes, etc) rather than processed food (cereal, sweetened drinks and juices, cheeses, yogurt with fruit in it, frozen dinners, salty or sweet snacks, etc). Even more so, you'll definitely save money by buying food at the supermarket and cooking it than eating out.
@@kerendn I think in developed countries with a lot of processed food, it IS unfortunately A LOT cheaper than just plain raw stuff. Just ONE pomegrate can be 5€/fruit!!! And Six nectarines is about 3€, when you can get a whole pizza or a whole meat soup meal by just 2 euroes! So two day junk food costs you less than 10 euroes when you can get by only max three kinds of fruits and thats it! Obviously you will not live two days by 21 or just 18 tiny fruits that are the size of an egg! Or by a big fuit per day alone!
Hence it is no were affordable to be a vegan over here unless you can put 100€ for shopping trip in order to get well planned and balanced food! And those fruits survive only a couple of days before getting too moldy to eat!
@@JoJo-dj9ek what about the price of dry goods and vegetables? I can't believe it's overall cheaper to eat out than to prepare your own food.
@@kerendn on the US that is the case. While on Brazil it's cheaper to cook.
It's a lot of time management and money managament.
@@EvaHoshizora I live in the US, in one of the all around most expensive states, too, & it costs far less money to buy ingredients & prepare your own food than it does to buy fast food. Even if it costs a couple dollars more upfront, it costs significantly less in the long run.
Lemme just wait here until the fighting in the comments starts.
Joël no fighting all love!
@@DoctorMike Hahaha I hope so, but there's some extreme people out there.
I'll wait with you
I'll stay here, seems safe.
Nice name buddy!
When I was in university, I came across raw veganism. Specifically getting information from certain influencers that basically just ate fruit and supposedly had great health. For me, while I thought I felt great for a while, I lost a ton of weight and my hair started falling out in clumps. The point of this isn’t to villainize raw vegans.. it’s to say following a strict or extreme diet is probably not great. Follow what your body tells you what you need :)
I agree. Same thing happened to me. I became ill on a raw vegan diet. Balanced diet is the best for me now
Bruh if I followed what my body told me to eat all the time I would be obese eating nothing but oreos
If you go in life believing what influencers say that's your problem, you should have gone to a nutricionist that told you how to take a vegan diet. Being healthy and not killing scentient beings that don't want to die in the process..
"my hair started falling out in clumps"
What could be the scientific explanation for that?
@KawaiiCat "I became ill on a raw vegan diet. "
What was the illness?
Raw = natural
As for vegan... there's no disease only vegans get, so...
As a vegan, I think any raw food diet is a bit of a joke... but vegan raw food diets even more so, because so much of the protein we get is from pulses, which are toxic when raw, as well as most grains that have to be cooked (as far as I know? Oats are the only exception I can think of). Learning to cook was a huge part of the process of human evolution, it makes the nutrients in our diet so much more accessible, kills pathogens, denatures many toxins.. For sure some foods should not be cooked, basically fruits, but are they alone enough to sustain a healthy diet? I heavily doubt it.
I have a disgustingly healthy diet (which I offset with an occasional Coke or Monster Java, so I'm not puritanical about it!). Part of that is that I'm blessed to be super-sensitive to a lot of food additives (=migraine with *lots* of puking), so I avoid processed foods and fast food as much as possible. I cook pretty much everything from scratch. I don't follow any particular "diet" (vegan, paleo, etc), just fix what I enjoy & makes me feel good.
About 90% of my food is plant-based (including whole grains), with plenty of prebiotics and probiotics. I get most of my animal-based nutrients from wild-caught fish, yogurt, kefir, and eggs. I will eat other kinds of meat, but very rarely.
My (newlywed) husband says my cooking has transformed his life! Years before we met, he'd been dosed with heavy antibiotics for meningitis. Since then, everything he ate went right through him--he was rail-thin, with super-fragile skin when we met. When I learned about what was going on with him, I brought him a bottle of kefir--& things cleared up in less than a week! He's put on a healthy amount of weight & his skin is good now. The anti-inflammatory foods I fix for him has helped with his chronic pain (now if I could just wean him off Coke!). Quite a change from the Standard American Diet he was used to...(instant potatoes and canned peas, Lord have mercy!)(I think canned peas may actually have *negative* nutrition...)
Teresa McMurrin Good on you!
I get canned food isn't optimal but peas in general, and even canned peas, are likely far better than any animal products you mentioned so far. It's crazy how much corruption money can drive society into.
@@neverforgettodofacepulls782 I respectfully disagree. Humans have evolved to be omnivores. Animal products contain essential nutrients that are very difficult to either obtain or absorb from other sources, without taking artificial supplementation. I personally prefer to get my nutrients in as natural a form as possible.
There are indications that there may be a difference between nutrients in their natural synergistic combinations than when refined and isolated, in their effects on the human body. (eg consuming broccoli may have an anti-carcinogenic effect, but the implicated nutrients taken in isolation in concentrated supplements, not so--and they may even be detrimental.)
Canning pulls pretty most of the nutrition out of vegetables. (And IMO canned peas are gross in flavor and texture, and taste more of can than vegetable, ugh.)
Fish is high-quality protein, with healthy oils (fish oil has also been proven effective in treatment of depression, btw. I used to self-medicate with fish and roe when I felt one coming on). Yogurt and kefir have wonderful effects on the gut biome--as I've mentioned, I've seen kefir work near-miracles on people with IBS and other gut problems. They are also high in protein and calcium. Eggs are also a great source of protein, B vitamins, and a host of other nutrients--I consider them a multi-vitamin in a shell!
Of course, as with any food, plant or animal, we must consider the source. Animals raised and kept in horrendous conditions are unhealthy, so their products are equally so. Plants grown on depleted soil that has been salinated with artificial fertilizers and drenched in pesticides are equally unhealthy.
Vegans who know what they're doing and take the proper supplementation can be perfectly healthy--but it is not human's natural diet.
I get that blessing when I am pregnant. People think I diet, but I cannot handle anything that's not fresh and made from scratch.
@@vanessaa.d.3200 Yep, I guess our bodies are letting us know right away what foods are toxic! Those not so blessed can just go on slowly poisoning themselves...
Americans are infamous abroad for eating overly-processed food with tons of sugar. I lived overseas (Taiwan) for a number of years. I did my shopping in the traditional markets for fresh fruit & vegetables (harvested that morning!), and people would always ask me what country I was from (which surprised me, since my other foreign friends were always asked if they were American!). I'd tell them, & they'd be surprised and tell me, "But Americans eat food from a box!"
A friend from NZ and I compared tins of Hershey's Cocoa Mix one time. He had one from NZ, his roommate one made in the US. Ingredients list from NZ: chocolate, sugar, milk powder. US: a list of ingredients that went top to bottom, very few of which were recognizable as food.
What I don't get is the stuff here that has like three types of sugar--and then *two* kinds of artificial sweetener! Seriously? **Why????** Just how sweet do things really need to be?
People here say they don't have time or energy to cook from scratch. Nonsense. There are many dishes I can whip up with minimal time and energy. I can pop some rice in my rice cooker when I get home, and fix a stir-fry in less time than my friends take to fix Hamburger Helper--and in pretty much the same time they take for a microwave meal! Or throw some veggies and herbs on some flatbread to make a quick (and non-greasy) pizza and let the oven do most of the work. While it's cooking, I toss some greens in a bowl and have a side salad. Dressings are quick & easy to make, put oil, vinegar & seasonings in a jar, you have enough dressing for a week (if I want creamy, I mix yogurt, lemon juice, & herbs).
If I do prep in advance, it saves even more time on those "too tired to cook" days. I just chop up extra veggies when I'm cooking, and bag & freeze the extra for a later dish. Or make a large batch of something I'm cooking for dinner, & freeze some portions of it for throw-in-oven-and-relax-awhile days.
Sorry to run on--cooking has always been one of my passions! 😊 My friends & neighbors are always coming to me for ideas on ways to cook something...
I will agree veganism isn't for everyone but personally before I went vegan I would only eat horrible processed foods like hot pockets and Beefaroni. 🤢 Switching to a vegan diet definitely made me try to eat better. I have since opened up to eating new fruits and veggies and overall eating more of them.
You are truly wonderful🤩🙏
Thank you for being vegan!
Adrienne Neilson You could keep eating like you are now, but add fish a couple of times a week, chicken once a week and red meat (if you want to) once a month and be even healthier.
I think you have summarized a great point about a lot of unhealthy behaviors. Getting to the point where you are actually making decisions about your health (exercising, eating, drinking, sugar, smoking) is sometimes the hardest step. Routine was a killer for me when I was trying to eat less. Every social event, family gathering, movie, you name it seemed to involve food. I'm not vegan, but by intentionally restricting my diet, it forced me to show down and actually think about when and what I was eating.
Tldr good habits are hard to make!
@@Hahahahaaahaahaa thats awesome as long as ur staying happy and healthy good luck ❤
I love how you present every argument and keep things factual and unbiased, I can always trust you for good hard facts
I watched this expecting to hear some of the usual anti-vegan rhetoric that I see so much of. I was pleasantly surprised to see that Dr. Mike advocates a diet that is highly plant based, even though he says some meat is okay. I'm glad that he does not say that animal products are necessary, and does say that a wholly plant based diet is fine. He does mention supplements twice, and points out the possible need for vitamins B12 qnd D, and calcium.
As a long term vegan I supplement B12. I have occasionally supplemented vitamin D, but never calcium - in fact a blood test once showed me to have excess calcium. Many ready-made foods actually have various supplements added, and I don't worry too much about supplementation.
It's worth noting, though, that doctors in the US and the UK actually get virtually no training in nutrition - so your doctor may not be the best person to give advice!
The point of veganism, however, is not health - it's about lessening the exploitation of and cruelty to animals. The health aspect is a side issue - even though it's beneficial.
Doctor Mike : " I watch 7hours of footage"
Me : incapable to watch something more than 2hours
me doing the same thing but on Netflix
I couldn't even watch this whole video haha
Can we get a Dr. Mike reacts to Dr. Stone?
Yes!!!!! Dr. Mike please do this! They make sulfa drugs in one episode and I want to know if it was even close to realistic!
@@KennethSee well i heard that the creator of dr. Stone is in contact with a scientist, so I'd like to imagine alot of the things in the show are roughly realistic although the execution might be a bit less
Also i got a heart from dr. Mike so maybe he's interested
Darrell Simon YES OMG
YES PLEASE DO THIS!!
That would actually be really cool, maybe the episode about medicine rather than the other fields of science of course. Great show.
I would love to see you have a conversation- not a debate, with Dr. Greger, Dr. Ornish, T. Colin Campbell or Dr. Esselstyn. I think your large audience could benefit from hearing information provided by doctors who have a bias opposite from your own and who have dedicated their lives to researching the topics you're referencing in this video.
@Rhiannon - Dr Gregor et al. present the science, not opinion. There is nothing to discuss... You either wish to accept the science or not... no discussion required.
David Henderson lol Greger never comments contrarian evidence.He as biased as all of us.Latest evidence shows correlation between meat consumption and mortality rates.Vegans also have terrible mental illness rates and low thiamine levels(many times one fast away from wernicke encephalopathy)
www.medpagetoday.com/primarycare/dietnutrition/82492
annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2752329/meat-consumption-health-food-thought
annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2752326/effect-lower-versus-higher-red-meat-intake-cardiometabolic-cancer-outcomes
annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2752320/red-processed-meat-consumption-risk-all-cause-mortality-cardiometabolic-outcomes
@@millerstation92 Bollocks!!
@@millerstation92 Just heads up, you mean "shows NO correlation between meat consumption and mortality rates." The studies you cited said the causal evidence was low to non-existent.
@@davidhenderson5051 spoken like a true cultist
I’m a vegan athlete and love it. It’s super easy to be vegan, it just takes some getting used to. If you work half as hard on your diet as you do on working out you will have no problem. Not only is meat unnecessary but think of the horrible ways we treat the animals and the planet. We can be better if we want to.
i'm not too worried about the way we treat the salmon that i eat.
Do you feel like going vegan has helped your athletic performance and/or recovery time?
Any tips on how I can get started ? I hoop for run but I’m tryna drop some weight (about15lbs) so pls lmk:)
@@p2faded496 try making your favorite recipes plant based
Unnecessary lol 😂😂😂 ok 🐑
When you‘re too early and there aren‘t enough comments to read😂♥️
That what she said 😂😂
@@idkimjustdarkfudgelol6896 to you
@@rda9133 unless she has a boy private part I don't think so
you should watch the documentary called "dominion"
On what platform? What is dominion about?
Telly M TH-cam! Is about how food gets to your plate. Recommended!
@@tellym4138 Fair warning, it's very graphic and geared towards veganism as an ethical matter (which it is, anyways). That being said, it's extremely eye opening and speaks to how much change is needed in the way the world consumes its food.
I will deffinetly check it out. And thanks for the warning.
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This statement you made about the tests they did in the documentary:
I definitely agree with you. It is in no way a good scientific experiment. However, it did help me realise that the things I put in my body actually affect it. We normally don’t directly see the consequenses of the food we eat, how it affects our bodies. Maybe this wasn’t scientifically correct, it does help to make people more aware of their bodies health
His statement isn't completely true though. They are actually running that study right now on the sleeping erections. So, it wasn't quite a pilot study, but it was a pilot study.
The pursuit of truth gets messy when it's so emotionally charged.
Thank you for this holistic, scientifically accurate, easily digestible perspective of Game Changers. I think even your own opinions are very fair and reasonable. Thank you for putting so many hours into preparation for this video. 👏👏👏This is a perfect follow up for anyone watching the movie and the podcasts because this is the most level-headed, non-propaganda pushing discussion about this topic that I’ve ever seen. While I love that activists make documentaries to encourage positive change in the world, I feel they often misrepresent some facts and lack diverse perspectives so it’s important to continue discussing and researching the topic rather than taking everything at face value.
Hardly scientifically accurate, however pretty level headed, but many things are a bit... eughh..
I think that you allowed this video to feed into your consciousness of continuing the unethical, unhealthy lifestyle you follow. Ask yourself- what exactly did you hear that was scientific? Mike didn't reference any studies or other citations - he stated an opinion that is not baked by science.
No one:
Literally no one:
Not even James Charles:
Dr. Mike: *CHEST COMPRESSIONS, CHEST COMPRESSIONS, CHEST COMPRESSIONS*
Dr Mike's shirt "man your bicep needs a bigger size"
Thank you for explaining how cognitive bias and "activist science" are present in documentaries. It is so hard to present data in an honest and clear manner with complex subjects. I really appreciate how you articulate the need for nuance.
You are ignoring the clear science because that is easier than addressing change in your own life and possibly needing to admit you have not been making the best choice for yourself, or your family. It's especially hard for parents to admit, however, if you'd like your child to have a planet to live on, I suggest doing some more solo research - not listening to a guy on youtube who is not citing a single study or scientific fact in his response.
Been vegan for 2 years now. Best decision I ever made! I did it for ethical reason, but the biggest bonus is my gut health. I had a lot of gas before, now Im regular and my gut always feels good. Was a real problem for me before so Im super stoked about that.
I love how your shirt & tie are the same colours in a reverse pattern, impressive 😁👍 Thanks for the info 👏
Have you looked at forks over knives? I would like to hear your perspective on that one.
Non-medical question to everyone:
Why do humans prefer fighting about small differences over focusing on shared similarities?
I think it is because people typically only care about their own opinion and they think are always right. What do you think?
because conflicts is easier to remember than harmony.
Debate can be fun, insightful, and diplomatic; it's not always unprofessional. And one doesn't have to be convinced to be persuaded. What one is coninved of is one's stance. Meanwhile, persuasion is merely being able to understand how and why the opposing argument(s) reached their conclusion and defended their stance. It's all a matter of nuance and perception. I don't mind debate, I think it's fascinating, inevitable, and helps us all *acknowledge* (instead ignoring to focus on the "shared similarities") and accept our differences, if done in a proper and professional way.
I agree with all the comments 1 to 3! My take: it’s too risky to embrace somebody/something that’s slightly different than you/your opinion because there’s a possibility „the other side“ isn’t that tolerant and might tear you into pieces. In my language we say „attack is the best defence“. I wonder if there’s a way humanity can ever change.
Mister Skarred whoops 😅🙈
Game Changers confirmed what I knew from my own experience actually. As a wrestling competitor in high school I felt very lethargic in trainings after eating meat, so I decided to cut red meat. Then I thought "what if cut chicken too", so I did. THen I got curious about nutrition and ended up educating myself about the brutality, cruelty and the environmental impacts of animal farming and after a year I was vegan.
I'm 26 now, I practice now BJJ and feel great physically and mentally being an ethical vegan, knowing that no sentient being is being brutalized, mutilated and killed so I can get their flesh in my body.
Rico, ur the REAL MAN who's not afraid to tell the truth. This Doc is the same as the thousands of all Docs who don't want people to know the real truth!
That’s because you weren’t following proper pre-workout protocol. Any experienced athlete and even any mediocre highschool gym student knows that you don’t work out directly after eating nutrient dense foods because it takes a while for it to digest. That’s why no matter what your diet it’s recommended to work out 2-3 HOURS after you eat to avoid lethargy and stomach pain. However if you have to eat right before training it’s recommended to eat carbs (something you exclusively eat on a vegan diet) as they digest faster into sugar. However it’s not good to eat only carbs as this increases the burden on your liver to break down the sugar into energy.
So you work out on a sugar high and feel great but when you had a nutritionally dense meal and tried to workout while your body was still trying to digest and bogged down by that process, you felt lethargic... And the grass is still green...
Hell even obligate carnivores have to wait hours before trying to do strenuous activity after eating their kill. You were just an impatient teenager it says nothing about how meat itself effected you training.
Also even members of the Brazilian Jujitsu community admit that Judo is way more intense and explosive and much more draining on the system as well as BJJ being useless in real life combat. Also The BJJ community also admits that it’s way more technical than intense. Meaning you might as well be doing white belt elementary level Karate for the same “intense workout experience” as you would BJJ.
But as long as the poor animals are being saved so who cares if your physical prowess suffers? After all you aren’t in it for the health, right? So who cares if you’d be useless in an actual fight and you’d be too weak to beat anyone with beginner Judo experience? Remember its for the animals. It’s for the animals. The animals, Rico. None of what I say matters as long as you keep your pig friends alive.
And yet meat eaters are the ones dominating combat sports
Animals are not sentient only humans are
Yes! We feel lighter and blood circulation really improves after going Vegan 🌱
I completely agree that society as a whole should eat less animal products. I will never be able to go completely vegan permanently but I will choose the vegan/vegetarian option when I can
Something I found helpful is to change the ratios of what I eat. Like I generally tend to eat 50-70% animal products as part of a meal, where I've found that in many cases I can reduce it to 10-20% and still have a delicious meal!
What does it mean that you “will never be able to go vegan”?
@@landonp.4073 It means they don't care to. Being vegan is in no way difficult, and eating a plant-based diet is even less difficult.
@@landonp.4073 The difference between a vegetarian and vegan diet. I already go without that much meat products but you'd need to pry genuine dairy, honey, eggs and the like from my cold dead hands...
@@justinmyser It is difficult to get proper nutrion out of it and some people have to eat meat. Not knocking vegans but it is a hard diet from what i see of it.
I would love to see a video where you talk about or try the USDA MyPlate diet. It would be really interesting to see your take on what is taught as a "good balanced diet" by health classes in the US.
Hey, Doc why do my eyes get wet when I yawn?
Idk but i yawned when i read that and i also teared up. I'm guessing that the movement of muscles when we yawn activate the tear duct gland in our eyes and thus the tears, also, there's release of some saliva when you yawn.
@@pragyapandey6364 If I well remember, the movement to yawn presses on the tearducts and they release tears.
@@nerd_nato564 i think you're right indeed!
Pragya Pandey thats pretty much it. You’re tear ducts get squeezed when you yawn, because the muscles put pressure on your ducts when you stretch and scrunch your face in that way. So yeah pretty much what you just said!
@@chiarapaliotti9191 thank you!
So thankful you talked about this, I agreed with many of your points. I’ve been a vegan for three years now, and even my family has been really open to plant-based meals. I have a doctor who says exactly what you said. I was worried she would go against my decision, but she actually encouraged me and we went over how to do it correctly.
Game changers changed the way I think about eating.
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Yeah, it made me actually look at facts instead of just following propaganda. Now I only accept rigorous study to validate any diet. Unfortunately veganism doesn’t meet my standard of evidence.
@@kimmiewise1044 then watch dominion and if you still eat meat you are a psycho lol
@@kimmiewise1044 what did you find that debunked veganism?
@Bitterkind Yes it is a diet. The vegan society originally defined veganism as a non-diary vegetarian diet in 1944 by Donald Watson. The definition changed in 1951, 6 years after the society was founded, to include the philosophy of animal rights. The fact that it was initially only a non-diary vegetarian diet proves that veganism, at its inception, was a diet and only became associated with animal rights as animal rights activists began to influence the authors into their direction.
Also, let’s look at the modern definition of vegan, shall we?
“Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude-as far as is possible and practicable-all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."
“As far as possible and practical..”
Then by definition, I’m vegan despite the fact that I eat meat 3 times a week. Why? Because I’m breastfeeding and the American Academy of Pediatrics as well as my own personal pediatrician and obstetrician have told me many times that I can’t radically change my diet while I breastfeed and indeed research shows that going vegan or vegetarian can decrease the quality of your breast milk and has lead to deficiencies in infants in the past.
So I, a very obvious omnivore, can be labeled vegan simply because it’s practical that I continue my omnivorous diet.
This also extend to carnivore diet, the Inuit seal hunt, and even whaling.
So yeah I did do my research and again, doesn’t meet my standard of evidence.
I think the biggest point of the debate was that Kresser was making outlandish claims and talking bad specifically about the movie, and Wilks was there defending his movie, NOT pushing people to do 100% vegan or they'll die. That's just my take on it!
Wilks's central claim was that meat was bad. He never got around to defending that claim. He debunked Kresser's claim that there's no evidence of b12 supplementation for livestock. He debunked Kresser's claim that it takes 5 tablespoons of peanut butter, but instead takes 4 tablespoons to equal some amount of meat. But I didn't really appreciate Wilks's lack of charity, and bravado about conspiracy. It's a similar tactic used by flat earthers. Not all of us are receptive to that kind of rhetoric. th-cam.com/video/euQ_izlFVe0/w-d-xo.html
I find Doctor Mike's take on it interesting and I love that he says at the beginning it's about the individual. I have Gastroparesis (paralysed stomach) as well as other dismotility disorders in my throat and intestines. Food doesn't move properly through my gut and can spend way too long there, fibre is the hardest. For this reason I could never go vegan. I can't eat salads, vegetables or anything of the sort. The only solid thing I can tolerate is red meat. I get so much grief from people who barely know me, telling me to watch this documentary because vegan foods will "cure me" despite me telling them you can't just undo a severed vagus nerve. The last time I had a couple bites of a vegan family member's vegetable stir fry I was hospitalised for days on morphine. It nearly killed me when I was trying to eat an omnivorous diet, my BMI was 15.
I still get people judging me for my food. I get a lot of judgement when I tell people I can't drink water either. I wish the idea that vegan food is a miracle for everyone would be quashed, vegan food can (and nearly has) killed me so not everyone is the same.
Vegans don’t care about your life threatening digestive issues, they care about saving animals, at least pretend to.
@@nomnomgamer9882 I refuse to put all vegans into one category however I will say there's a large portion of "vegan activists" or vegan "animal rights activists" in the vegan community who yes, disregard medical conditions. A lot of them claim going vegan can cure my conditions which scientifically is not true.
My gastroparesis is caused by Ehlers Danlos Syndrome which is a genetic connective tissue disorder. You can't alter your genetics through eating different food.
If going vegan works for them, then great, but I think the idea that veganism is a cureall for everyone is preposterous and people shouldn't be shamed or attacked for choosing not to go vegan.
@@dianegaddayu What defines what is natural? Where is the line drawn? Technically all of our products originate from something in nature. But "natural" doesn't mean good, uranium is natural but it's also the ingredient in atomic bombs. Poison Ivy is natural but I wouldn't go lying in it.
I've tried many "natural remedies" to no avail. What I'm doing now works, you could say eating meat is perfectly natural, so it's a natural remedy then?
Agreed! I too came to realize that I simply felt best whenever I had rare pastured ruminant meats and organs, along with pastured eggs. You might check out a few of these channels which debunk the vegan cults, including animal concerns: Paul Saladino/Fundamental Health, Ivor Cummins/Fat Emperor, Shaun Baker, Health Coach Kait, Health Home & Happiness, Carnivory Festival etc. Paul's recent debunking of the "game changers'" extremely slanted propaganda was super. I might likely have improved sooner and further had I not been brainwashed by the media and vegan cults for years..
@@dianegaddayu proselytizing in TH-cam comments? That's one of the more futile things I've heard. It's obnoxious at best and actively harmful at worst.
Now, scurry off back to your tribe, so you can tell them about the big bad "others" that rejected you.
Well balanced and informative. Thanks for a great response to a powerful documentary. The show did indeed have its drawbacks, however the conversation is so important.
This is why I love you Dr Mike, you look at the argument from both sides and provide useful and helpful information and don’t force one side on us. If I ever see anything like this trending I’ll always come to you to see your side of the argument and to see how you approach the subject. Since I’ve started watching you I’ve started looking after myself more and exploring different diets and lifestyles that I think will benefit me. Thanks Dr Mike. ❤️
As a vegan, I am so thankful you responded to the documentary! I watched Gamechangers, and I did enjoy it; however, I too found it strongly focused on activism rather than solely on science. Nonetheless, I would never argue that everyone needs to become vegan, but I think we as a society could benefit from less animal product consumption.
I also love to weight train, and I do see the benefits of a vegan diet when I train.
All in all, thank you for always being so openminded to discussion on a variety of topics!
Lindsay H96 Hi. Would you mind recommending some vegan products you normally eat on bread? I already am vegetarian but I’m trying to go at least ,,half vegan“ 🤷🏼♀️. Yk I already don’t drink milk/eat eggs. But I just love cheese and don’t know what else to eat on my bread. So Im searching for a vegan alternative😊
I also think no vegan wants everyone to be completely vegan,because veganism is not advoacting for a specific diet.It is about about reducing your negative impact on yourself, the earth, environment and other organisms wherever and whenever possible.And highlighting the way we, humans treat and use non-human animals,who are mainly seen as just products and property.And replacing that traditional view, with recognising non-human animals as ,sentient beings,with body autonomy, who have the need and seek to live and die naturally.
Evidence please
If you live in the uk, tesco does some amazing fake cheese spread in the free from section,PBnJ is another option, apparently chickpeas are good in a sandwich, avocado, and also basic stuff like fake meat slices, n salad ingredients like lettice, tomatoes, cucumbers etc.
@@hannoveraner.quengel5221 there are vegan cheeses. There's a bunch so just google what u can get at your local supermarket/grocery store. Then there's also humus, avocado/guac, peanut butter (or any nut butter) peanut butter and jelly, baked beans, mashed beans, tofu scramble, ground tempeh or Tvp, and basically any meat replacement or egg replacement liek just egg does a very good egg replacement
Get Dr. Mike and Jeff Nippard in a room together to have a discussion on modern research and nutrition.
I would pay money to watch that video.
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Who TF is Jeff Nippard? #noname
@Tony Day lol burn
OOOO! let’s see that happen!
I think Dr Mike approached this topic fantastically! I love how he acknowledged a vegan diet can be really healthy or very unhealthy depending on the type of vegan food you are eating. Veganism isn’t a cure all, and it isn’t for everyone. Personally I’m vegan for the environment and the animals. I love that I can eat in line with my ethics and stay healthy if I do it right. However I do enjoy some vegan processed products in addition to this, but this is not because I think this is still healthier than a well balanced omnivorous diet, it is because it stays in line with my morals. I think there is a lot of misinformation out there that says you can’t be vegan and healthy and this documentary debunked this so I’m really glad Dr Mike acknowledged this, whilst being honest that veganism isn’t for everyone :)
First off I would like to say really great video. The way you present information is really refreshing in a world where everyone is really just trying to blind people into thinking their opinion is 100% the only right way to think.
Secondly, I understand what you mean about the conversation devolving into personal attacks on the joe rogan podcast but a point about the infamous "forrest plot". It really is important for someone who says they are an expert to understand the articles they are citing rather then just say what the authors are saying about the data because you can come to a different conclusion, or see the flaw in their reasoning. I recently started grad school and let me tell you this was a rude awakening for myself too.
Also the fact that Kresser put his own words in quotes boggles my mind. It was his presentation.... literally the last place you would need to actually quote yourself.
Not saying attacking a person is a good thing but these things should be noted when you're listening to someone else's "expert" opinion.
100%....Kresser pretending to be a nutrition expert is pure evil in my eyes and I could argue all day about it
I appreciate that you are telling us your biases before you answer the questions, it makes for a much better discussion.
Constable 1976 so true
I recently found out I was lactose intolerant and as someone that got most of their protein on whey protein and tuna ( full time student and work full time so eat on the go a lot) . After weeks of just trying to increase my protein intake by increasing my meat intake I found it just wasnt working for me but it lead me to finding pea protein which has changed my life I feel incredible after taking it.
Hey!
Another "real doctor" here. I agree that you can probably include animal products in a "healthy" diet and lifestyle, the same way as you can include chocolate. The problem however is that many people consume animal products, thinking that it is directly physically good for them. I also eat chocolate on occasion, because I experience a psychological boost doing so. Albeit I do not imagine me doing so is directly healthy for me physically. Same is the case for all animal products, not only red and processed meat (that were classified as cancerogenic as tobacco smoking, by the WHO already way back in 2012). This is what scientific consensus is telling us.
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Tom-André Thomsen
Norwegian M.D.
Wasn't the study on carcinogenic because of the carbon? So eating the parts that are overcooked? Also, I'm curious, I'm anemic and iron from animal sources is more easily absorbed (right?) wouldn't it be better for me to eat animal products rather than having a full vegan or vegetarian diet? (I know you can't give medical advice. It's more out of curiosity and I will not take it at face value before I see my physician.)
@@godlessfornicater Carbon..? That makes no sense. We are all made of carbon. I don't understand how it's a carcinogen.. Just curious. 😊♥️
@@TaunellE By carbon they mean charred meat. The process that chars the meat also produces carcinogens.
@@godlessfornicater if you combine plant based iron intake with vitamin c the body will absorb a lot more of it, so if you eat a high iron food like nuts and eat an orange just before that, you will get much more iron in the body
@@feddevandervorm4094 I know. And no calcium when I take iron. Still, the body as an easier time absorbing iron from animal sources.
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@@ailuj_neslein yes, hun, its just a joke i decided to put for no reason
Hey Dr. Mike. I just recently found your channel and already love it and have learned alot. Keep up the good work!
Super informative as always, thanks Dr. Mike!!! Stay happy and healthy!
You were honestly the first video I watched right after the documentary and I have to say without seeing the others, you have the best mindset towards your critique. There's so many points you made that I completely agree as I was watching it but the way you did not want to make any absolute answer because you yourself don't have the concrete answer as well was something I don't see in alot of doctors. I truly appreciate your take on this subject and from now on I'm always going to reference that amazing quote of yours lol
Can u watch the "what the health" documentary in netflix. Then share ur thoughts :) pls...
He has done so already. It's on this channel
Both of these documentaries are based on science...you need to make the changes you feel are necessary
aidsbrigade you obviously didn’t listen to the documentary. Doctors are biased against a lot of things that can kill you.
aidsbrigade that wasn’t even the real statistic and you didn’t even listen obviously. Heart disease is COMPLETELY PREVENTABLE yet it’s the number 1 killer in the USA. The doctors are biased bc they know the truth lol sorry you won’t hear good news about your bad diet. Doctors are also biased and think smoking is bad for you i don’t hear you stirring the pot saying “oh all those doctors don’t smoke they are biased let’s bring in some smoker doctors and hear them”
aidsbrigade so you watch a documentary with tons of real doctors and nutrition experts. Next you link me to a blog post “debunking” the documentary written by some magazine journalist and ask me if I believe her but even further actually ask me to read it? Are you kidding me? Of course I’m not reading that it’s not science.
Dr. Mike I recommend watching the documentary “forks over Knives”. It’s an older video but it is more facts based
I agree with you 100 % in terms of your comments on the documentary . However , it’s disheartening that the main way to attract people to the vegan / plant based diet is to promote the health aspect of it . Just like you said , there is no evidence that well balanced plant based is healthier than a balanced predominantly plant based with animal products . The most convincing was for me is the ethical aspect of it which is undeniable especially if we can thrive on well balanced wfpb diet . I think we , as physicians, should also have a moral role to advocate for whole plant based for patients for animal welfare / environmental aspects too . I don’t think it’s a personal choice to consume animal as radical as it sounds ( not that I would say that out loud lol ) but I think we grew up thinking this way based on cultures, traditions and “that’s how our ancestors lived “ and taking that as an excuse to the justify the hurroundous treatment of factory farming and breeding animals for food .
Well he's a doctor so that's his area of knowledge
We grew up eating animals is okay and as activists expose harmful practices to animal agriculture we can grow closer to where our food comes from
Fact, in order for something to live something else must die. Its not moral to take away someones free will/choice. Convince the tiger to stop eating meat first. Not all animals are raised in horrendous environments, i.e. grass fed, grass finished which is becoming a more popular, natural, holistic choice. Our ancestors raised, breed, and ate their animals themselves. Thats really the only difference between them and us now.
@@vivianalouise8877 nice try but I've heard this before during the 80's we're all going to die.. global freezing hysteria. We are not God we do not control the weather which has always been in flux. There is a balance to nature, if all the tigers stopped eating meat vegetarian animal populations would flourish. When that happens.. well lets look at the dust bowl. One of the many reasons people migrated to the US was because average everyday citizens could eat meat every day. In most other countries this was a privilege only enjoyed by royalty. This moral judgement is not moral at all. Its based off of fallacies people hold about the nature itself. The mouse may think the cat is morally wrong for eating them, but the cat does not think so. I promise you, if you go into the wild and come face to face with a bear they'll have no moral reservations about killing you. We like to deem ourselves above and superior to nature but we are not. If you were starving and so was your family your misguided sense of morales would go out the window and you'd kill something in order to survive. In order for you to live something else must die, be it plant or animal. Thats a cold hard fact. If we start consuming only plants, we'd just start shooting the rabbit that is a threat to our food supply. Even though the rabbit needs it in order to live themselves. Please take your global climate change concerns to China which pollutes more than we do.
Civilizations used to sacrifice humans to try and control the weather. The day mother nature wants to destroy us there is nothing that can stop it, as those civilizations (Pompeii, for example) found out. I will not submit to gov't overlords in some vain attempt of hope that they will save us from nature. Hell they're the ones that pollute the most! All those in the EU, UN, NATO, WTO, etc. We get to pay our gov't overloads emission taxes so they can save us 😂 Nature will always win! I have no false hope.
@@swordoftruth3530 Climate change is caused by human. By burning fossil fuel humanity raised CO2 level. CO2 is greenhouse gas and absorb IR this rise temperature. According to sun's cycles Earth should in iceage.
Good on you for sitting through that Joe Rogan 'debate' - I couldn't do it!! I got to like an hour and thought 'why am I wasting my time watching 2 guys snipe at each other?'. Thank you for the well balanced discussion on this.
Dr. Mike isn't wearing a V-neck shirt..
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Edit : This comment doesn't make sense. ;-;
Why v-necks? Haha I don’t think I wear them that often
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@@DoctorMike hi am your #1fan i love your videos you are so amazing
@@DoctorMike Hi doctor mike! I have a question which maybe you won't reply to but I'm thinking for what to do when I am older and what advice do you have to give me. I was thinking of either being a pediatrician, emergency medicine doctor (ER doctor) neurologist or even harder a neurosurgeon. Taking it from you, how hard is going into medical school like and what are its advantages or dislikes. I'm not really expecting you to reply but it would be cool if you did then again I get you probably get flooded with messages so it's alright.
@@DoctorMike Doc I enjoyed your video. But sadly I edited my comment (!) Really, Indonesians love their fried rice but you know, palm oil. Also, rice + soy sauce: extreme cheap for end of month (waiting for salary to come) and vegan but unhealthy.
Omg by only watching your other "fun" videos I never knew how smart, logical, and deep you are. The way you go about facts, science, human interactions and emotions is " I don't really know much but from what I know I think it is this way but I am not a 100% sure but this makes sense", which is the right way to go about things, I think. XD So glad you made this video, cleared a lot of things up for me. Keep up the amazing work!
DrMike gets a masters degree in medicine
Also DrMike talks about video games
Lizzie LeBlanc yo videos games are fun 😂
Doctor Mike well said 😁 Intellect and education do not collide with interest in video games. Furthermore, video games are a very welcome change, relaxing from a stressful day at work 👍🏻
Also Dr. Human who likes fun.
Lizzie LeBlanc do you play league of legends? Or is "LeBlanc" just your name?
John Edwin Dela Cruz No my name is just LeBlanc
Definitely liked hearing the nutrition argument in isolation. The consensus of this video, which I think is reasonable, was that a totally plant-based and partially plant-based/meat diet can be equally healthy. This is just the nutrition aspect, though. If you have the means (and your body is able) to switch to a completely plant-based diet, it’s definitely environmentally superior (more meat/dairy=more greenhouse gas emissions). At the end of the day, I agree with the video that people should try to lessen the amount of meat they consume. Though both diets are equally as beneficial for ourselves, they aren’t as equally beneficial for our environment (which eventually hurts us individually too). I think this should definitely be taken into consideration. Since we all have the responsibility of taking care of the earth, we should strive to be as plant-based as we can, even if its not 100% meat/dairy free.
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Well, growing of soy and nuts are not without controversies when it comes about environment.
@@heidikarinen563and harvesting palm oil
There’s always the option to hunt and fish our own food .
Really good overall! One thing though, veganism is not a diet. Plant-based is a diet. So the documentary was not a vegan documentary, but a plant-based one.
Stop fooling yourself with semantics its the same thing
Never thought of it that way.
O I just saw the documentary last night! Perfect timing!
It’s interesting how people get so riled up over their diets nowadays
Everyone wants to feel they are on the healthiest diet.
And other peoples diet
Being vegan isn’t a “diet” it isn’t just about what you eat it’s a lifestyle
@@DonaldAMisc That seems to be very true. I dont discuss religion, politics, abortion, and now diet/nutrition lol
@@Sally-hc5bz Yes!! What bugs me is it's never a discussion it turns into an argument and often gets personal. That's why I dont discuss diet, religion, politics, or abortion. It's just ridiculous how a lot of people cant just talk about these things it's never a sharing of opinions it's an argument. It's really sad.
You're so unbiased and I wanted to let you know that I appreciate that😁
Sending love from South Africa ❤
YEAH! I'm South African too!
@@jamsandwizard5514 which province? I'm from KZN
@@kelseygovender3273 Hi from the WP :P
@@jamsandwizard5514 that's amazing xx
Dr Mike: “Hey, your cognitive bias is showing”
Ohhh nooo
it is clear he has no idea what he is talking about, a calcium deficiency? wtf who has ever had calcium deficiency
@@Kobokhop22 Calcium defiency is actually a huge problem these days, not as large as potassium and Iron defiency but Calcium defiency is definately a thing
@@Kobokhop22 As a doctor, chronic kidney disease or at hypo-parathyroid (usually at resected thyroid cancer)
@@Kobokhop22 You get a lot less vitamin D on a vegan and vegetarian diet. A few other vitamins are also deficient in a vegan diet which is why those who are vegan/vegetarian have to take supplements.
I love that you mention your bias at the beginning. That level of integrity just completely won me over.
I'd like to preface this comment by acknowledging you're an MD and I only define terminology, explain nutritional science for your viewers. My critique is your poor reasoning
As an RN and vegan of 12 yrs, I'm obligated to point out some misinformation about a whole foods plant based diet in your video. I acknowledge this is anecdotal but wanted to give a little background on why I'm concerned and where I'm coming from.
Addressing diet planning:
A vegan diet doesn't "require more planning than other diets." Your bias kicked in here whilst stating it as a matter of fact.
I've never had to keep up with tracking the various plant foods or nor had much clue about their nutrient content to be on a healthy "well planned whole foods plant based diet." After 12 yrs (only going to the doctor once due to a minor fracture which healed on its own; I recently took several blood tests 10 wks ago and they were unremarkable. My family GP was surprised to see me and impressed when he pointed out "I've only had a few patients with LDL this low" after I ponting out my vegan diet probably was a major factor. Most vegans I know simply eat an array of plant based foods with a general rule of making sure it is a colorful assortment not just green, along with vit B12 supplementation which EVERYONE should which I'll explain later.
Diet is not a preference when it results in the pain and suffering of victims:
Animal agriculture produces more toxic greenhouse gases then the world's entire transportation sectors which will increasingly usher in a global catastrophe. Whether we want to go plant based or not, our species will eventually be compelled to if we want our species to to survive on this planet. I'm aware of the possibility of inhabiting an exoplanet to continue our species or a few of us surviving the current ice age (that started roughly 3 million yrs ago) unless we dramatically halt the speed of our current ice age that started roughly 3 million yrs ago. And by the looks of this interglacial period, I'm not confident our species will survive it.
Addressing industry research funding:
It is primarily the beef, dairy and eggs associations that fund studies that always are in favor of promoting these "health foods." There's no broccoli or papaya association that funds WFPBD or vegan diet research.
Addressing health concerns of a strict WFPBD:
(Regardless of a diet preference everyone should supplement with B12 as a prophylactic.)
A person on any diet can be deficiency in B12, it can arise from GI malabsorption and/or consuming mostly sterile whole plant based foods. Genetic deficiencies are incredibly small causes of B12 deficiency. Chemical agents such pesticides, over washing, and consuming animal flesh that had poor intake of B12 producing bacteria (such as Pseudomonas enitrificans and Propionibacterium freudenreichii) due to soil erosion and land degradation. Vit B12 deficiency will get worse unless aggressive and bold action is taken in our agricultural practices and lifestyle to reduce environmental pressures.
Discerning between a vegan diet and a strict WFPBD:
You admit to having bias which is admirable. You stated "I actually went vegan before and I did it for 30 days" without looking into what veganism is about. It's unlikely you adopted the philosophy of veganism for 30 days instead of trying a strict 'whole foods plant based diet' since you set a 30 day goal. A vegan diet is associated with adopting ethics of VEGANISM.
Concerning The Game Changers:
Why would a documentary promoting a strict WFBPD diet include nutrition experts who are opposed to the diet?? It's not a debate/lecture, a conversation or a special covering equal sides of a controversial topic. It's analogous to having a keto or paleo diet promoting documentary including world renowned nutrition experts who advocate a strict WFPBD diet or vegan MDs providing evidence for their objections. It defeats the purpose of 'promo'-ting a specific diet.
Concerning unintentional misinformation:
Fact: Essential amino acids from PLANTS are needed to form protein regardless of the herbivore species. A WFPBD is NOT limited to a specific plant. Plethora of herbivore animals are capable of eating over 200,000 species of plants. Btw cows also eat leaves, oats, and grains.
Fact: You cannot get atherosclerotic vascular disease which lead strokes and MI with a strict WFPBD, yet can with any other diet.
Atherosclerosis is inherently a multifactorial disease and extremely rare for it does result in death with a strict WFPBD even if its etiology is genetic. And you know the leading cause of strokes and MIs related to atherogenesis.
Fact: We produce endogenous cholesterol that's sufficient to our body needs.
Any exogenic cholesterol which is only LDL cholesterol (found in meat, dairy, and eggs) to a diet is already too much since we don't need it and so it end up getting stored. Yes saturated fat is a component of raising LDL but again saturated fat is primarily found in meat, dairy, and eggs compared to a few plant oils. We should all avoid oils! Oils are a pure extraction (removing one component from a plant).
Why is putting a little bit of something bad sat fat and LDL a perfect recipe that can lead to HD, strokes, and heart attacks? We don't say "a little bit of arsenic" or "trans fat is ok for the body." I don't understand that reasoning. As a health advocate, I think that statement is reckless and potentially dangerous for your pts/viewers. It would be responsible/better to say, "I'm not sure at this time, which diet is optimal for human health."
A meta-analysis of nearly 250,000 studies concerning diet, nutrition, and the connection to disease development including epidemiological studies was compiled by the WHO in 2014. The WHO acknowledges numerous health benefits reducing the consumption of red meat, the removal of dairy and eggs or even better a strict WFPBD and thus declared meat a type 1 carcinogen (in the same category of smoking tobacco and asbestos).
Why would you claim "a little bit of meat is ok?" That's like claiming "a little bit of smoking" and "inhaling a little asbestos is ok despide science shows it increasing a person's risk for cancer."
How much evidence do you need to stop saying "I don't think we know enough" then how can you assert right after "I think our research is really flawed?" I'm truly baffled by those contradictory statements. Remember no area of research is complete or 100% certain but we can come to a close reasonable conclusion. Just as we don't know for certain what gravity is exactly but have a good central idea based on mathematics in conjunction with physical laws and other well established theories and how it affects us.
The American Dietetics association and The Royal Dietetics association, two are of the largest bodies of dieticians in the world assert a WFPBD is suitable for ALL stages of development as you said but including pregnancy and athletes. Look up the benefits of vegan pregnant women including benefits of raising children on a WFPBD (until they can make a conscious decision to identify with veganism).
Children on a WFPBD have less obesity, asthma, allergies, hypercholesterolemia, HTN, HD, infections, and DM II. If that's not enough to convince you of the superiority of a WFPBD than nothing will.
Not to attack you personally but majority of GPs (who most people see first) don't know enough to adequately treat their pts, they primarily treat the symptoms instead of the root cause of a disease. 18 of the 23 the primary illnesses affecting/killing Americans are foodborne or related to a poor diet which including an omnivore diet related. The more the diet moves towards a strict WFPBD the healthier a person is according to current data. Starting from carnivorous diet, to primary meat based diet, to omnivore diets, to lacto-ovo vegetarians, to flexitarians and finally vegans.
Fact: The only diet proven to reverse HD and DM II is a WFPBD.
Dr. Dean Ornish's study was peered reviewed and had his findings published in medical journals. He was a consulting physician to President Clinton and Sen Hillary Clinton which excluded oils, refined sugar, allowed egg whites only and no more than two serving of nonfat milk/yogurt. You can look at Dr. Dean Ornish's work with clinical cohort trials of pts with HD in which atherosclerosis was reversed without meds or surgery with his version of a WFPBD.
Dr. Neal Barnard could not be more right when he says "An MD behind someone's name is most often a de-credential when it comes to a recommending a healthy diet which nutrition is fundamental in treating patients." Dr. Barnard admits he too had inadequate education.
The quote is not an attack on you. In general MDs have poor education in nutrition despite the consequential role it has in health.
Anything I've stated correct is from evidence published in medical journals, pervasive consistent findings of trusted experts in the field of nutrition/diet, trusted voluntary organization, and by public health national/international agencies; anything incorrect is from me.
I enjoy most of your other videos I've seen that aren't specific to diet. Keep up the great work!
So Imma just copy this for whenever someone says “where do u vegans get ur protein?!?!?!!???”
Honestly, I appreciate the amount of time you put into typing out this comment, and the sheer amount of information here
Well said!! I agree with every point you made, but the one I get hung up on most is that Dr. Mike just overlooks animal ethics without a second thought. It's scary how someone can love their dog so much and express zero compassion for animals that are equally worthy of respect.
That was the longest comment I've ever seen. If you know it all, then you should start your own channel.
I appreciate your well researched and descriptive points, I will say I think Dr. Mike is not ignoring the animal ethics, he is simply focusing on his based of knowledge and frame of reference...nutrition and health. He did mention at the beginning that he wasn’t going to address or comment of people who choose to be vegan for ethical/moral or environmental reasons. I also understand you are referring to a strict WFPBD, but a regular WFPBD IS what he recommends and from what I could fine online a WFPBD does allow for meat...and that the WHO categorized processed meat as a potential carcinogen, not all meat. it seems to me (it my admittedly VERY limited experience with nutrition) that your facts are supporting a lot of what Dr Mike is saying in terms of limiting meat and dairy products, but I can’t find many references looking up some of your facts to these specific health professionals and organizations you mention all promote outright “banning” meat as you seem to be suggesting?
BIG FAT FISH that’s a horrible expression of love, needlessly torturing and killing them. Hope you never love me