Thanks Mike. What a big surprise for all of us that is in the sad case of this guy! LOL! Thank you for your amazing and painstakingly good research work! We appreciate it!
Wow, I can't believe it. Claiming that the Game Changers Movie is cherry picking their studies and then "randomly selecting" a study that's not even there... Unbelievable. Thank you Mic!
Eh, sorry but Ekberg still more persuasive-because he is more inclusive and encourages personal vigilance. I think he’s pushing for personal balance through a more a Whole30 approach, which is essentially to understand your own very unique inflammatory and metabolic triggers, and to focus on whole food, not processed stuff, heavy on fructose, corn, and soy. I realized after the Whole30 how badly my body reacted to ordinary grains, like oatmeal and dairy. Sugar and fructose and starch altogether another challenge. I’ll keep my balanced, fairly low-carb approach, with emphasis on cruciferous vegetables, leafy greens, mushrooms, nuts, and whole eggs. I’ll also nix dairy, except for sensible amounts of grass-fed butter and ghee, and I’ll stick with the occasional grass-fed meat or fish, especially when I feel my body needs it. My family has been vegetarian for generations but we’re cursed with heart disease and lately, we’re fielding an epidemic of diabetes. Part of it has to do with our shifting lifestyle, food availability, and definitely food choices. Vegetarianism or veganism apparently doesn’t always guarantee you like vegetables.
We are in our 70s and gave followed Dr. Ekberg for two years. We each list 45 pounds and have lowered our triglycerides and increased our HDL. Our A1C levels are both normal and our fasting insulin has come down along with our HOMA-IR scores. I know our inflammation has come down as well so much so that I know longer use a cane or walker to get around.
1 thing i know about the GLADIATOR..we know meat, poultry are for the higher hierarchy citizens, the rich. while the normal people to slaves eat more fish and seeds, vegetables..this also has been proven after a town near the Pompeii, they find on the site esp at a food outlet for the town, thousands of seeds and fish bone proof of the food that people eat daily. plus even white bread are considered for the rich, while the rough and more nutritious bread was eaten by lower citizens. so if gladiator are slaves. of course, they will eat more seed and vegetarian. plus, human starts flourishing after we know how to plant our food.
Holistic doctors know a lot more about nutrition than any so called real doctor. You get less than 20 hours of nutrition in medical school. I listened to a real doctor who had majored in nutritional biochemistry talk about when he went to medical school had that all driven out of him when he went to medical school. I have type 2 diabetes. You so called real doctors have not helped in over 20 years. I followed Dr. Ekberg's advice and now have normal blood sugar (85- 99) with no meds. It was over 200. Maybe you should watch more of Ekberg's videos. He teaches that all real foods, not just meats are healthy.
I followed Dr. Ekberg's advice and in three months I lost fifty two lbs and my blood pressure went from pre-hypertension to below normal. Now I'm concerned that it might be too low and I'm still eating steaks and eggs but plenty of vegetables too as well as complex carbs. Thank you Dr. Ekberg! That man no doubt added years to my life.
Not saying antioxidants from food are bad. But you gotta realize that antioxidants can also protect cancerous cells and actually work against you. The context of when and how antioxidants are consumed is very important. Beta carotene is an important antioxidant. But over-feed beta-carotene to a smoker and their risk of lung cancer rises two fold. Btw. I am vegan myself. But I think many vegans often comes off as people with a "know it all" mentality.
It was suspect that dude runs “Real Doctor” in all his titles but he’s a chiropractor. I know they are real doctors but most people would assume “REAL DOCTOR” = MD
YES THIS IS TRUE and I didn't even mention it. Just like Eric BERG. Real doctor is true technically but people assume it's a medical doctor when you say that. Standard.
Red Pill Vegan thanks for acknowledging that we are real doctors. When people simply dismiss a chiro for being a chiro it kills me, most are idiots anyways there’s plenty of other reasons to dismiss them rather than stopping to just saying they are a chiropractor 😂
Jessy Glaub - Sadly I was GREATLY misled by a chiropractor back about 6 years ago in terms of nutrition. It soured my taste for them. But when I injured my neck I took a recommendation from a friend and went back (to a completely different practice) and can not say anything bad about the profession except that the nature of our health crisis has led a lot of them to offering weight loss services - which, when combined with the supplement sales that go along with it - often make up the majority of their revenue. But I can’t blame them... people come and want weight loss. No One knows who to trust or what to eat, the American public is confused and nutritionally confounded by conflicting messages.
I think this guy is actually a "wholistic doctor", which is a step up from a chiropractor (7 years of education instead of 4) but still not a medical doctor.
I’m sorry but your attitude just really comes across as high minded hottie critical like you have it all figured out and I think you’re missing a few things. Although I respect your opinion.
Appeal to authority? Tf you talking about? Everything in the real doctors video is the complete opposite of. Mic is the one still holding onto the old science the WHO holds onto.
@steveninthe there is plenty evidence supporting a vegan diet. It's sad to see how hard you try to prove your point, it's like when the tabaco industry tried to hide that cigarettes where killing people, but at the end everyone knows that gives you cancer, it's only a matter of time.
spliter227 c a r n i s m committing Ancestral repeating narrowminded insidious Sadistic massacre or c a r n i s m committing Ancestral ritualist narrowminded insidious Sadistic massacre. ...... Anti vegan means antagonistic , narrowminded. terroristic indoctrinated. violent. ecocentric‘s . gluttonous. apathetic. nihilist .
@MrQuidestveritas At the same time, you can't just pull things out your ass. It's fine to say "my theory is..." Or "I think..." but at least have a logical explanation or some type of scientific backing. If you think all the research is wrong, then do your own research but you can't give health information which is not evidence based.
Our issues come from the combination of High fats and High carbs in one meal. Supplying the body with two sources of fuel, in high amounts, will cause the body to use one and store the other. *This guy shows the proof and explains "the cloudy blood".* - th-cam.com/video/s41FM-XoBmI/w-d-xo.html
*Disclaimer I am not biased towards vegans or ketoers Videos likes these genuinely makes me confused because both sides make claims that make me think. I have been both keto and vegan and even both at the same time. I am no doctor just some random guy trying to choose a healthy lifestyle and genuinely interested in health and nutrition. I’ve learned that you can be healthy doing both, i lost 25 pounds as a vegan and gained some muscle. But when I was Keto I lost 35 pounds a lot faster while also gaining muscle and strength at the gym. And I felt amazing doing both. I have also ate unhealthy vegan junk foods towards the end of my 1st year as a vegan and gained back all the weight I lost ( I take full responsibility on that ). As well as the same goes for keto I ate “fat bombs” snacks all the time and gained some weight back. At the end of the day I just try to be as balanced as possible and do my best now to stay away from as much processed foods as possible. My family line has amazing genetics and my family from both sides have lived into the 100’s before passing away and they were not vegan, they were not keto. But they also were not stressing about this stuff and lived in the DR where all fruits veggies and meat is prepared organically with none of the crazy stuff we use today in everything. I love my greens I love my fruits, i still eat meat and I still have junk food every now and then but nothing like I did before. What I do know is that All my inflammation issues I had before I even started any of these diets are completely gone and I feel amazing now. and I can perform at an advanced level in the gym and with my friends playing sports. I appreciate and enjoy these videos and I glean as much as I can from both sides without trying to be biased. I just genuinely want to be healthy. I don’t hate vegans I don’t hate keto I appreciate that both sides have helped different people with different circumstances. And I undertake that the debate of keto vs vegan will go on for ever. just dropping in my 2 cents until then I’ll be watching and reading every single TH-camr “debunk” each other and see contradiction studies on everything we put in our mouth!
Honestly, this ekenberg doctor made more sense than you trying debunking him. I have no idea who is this doctor but your arguments are completely ridiculous.
ggzh a Argue With Everyone Well in most developed countries that would be really really rare bc basics like that get drilled into your head so hard you almost cant say it any other way its just automatic - because it needs to be in the high stress environment of the clinic
@Cin I mean i also say things wrong in my field. I think about the right thing but when i translate it to a language it can be translated wrong and i say things the wrong way.
I have nothing against anyone going vegan, but why does it seem like vegan influencers (and many non influencers) are so condescending. This guy talks like he’s a superior, smarter person. Everything about his vibe is what I think most people get rubbed the wrong way when talking to a vegan. I personally don’t get annoyed by someone eating plants. But I get really annoyed by someone talking to me or others like they’re better. Plant or meat eater, doesn’t matter. I think most vegans are working so hard to justify their decision that it’s coming off wrong. Just be vegan. Eat what you’d like. And don’t talk so condescending when discussing a non vegan life style. By the way.... I know some meat eaters can be degrading to vegans too, for no reason. But the ratio of cocky vegans to non cocky vegans is super overwhelming.
In case you weren’t tracking, Unnatural Vegan also did a “debunk Game Changers” video and even by her usual audience it wasn’t really very well received but in case you wanted to respond anyway... I’m just saying I would watch it 😄
Dr Ekberg has stated before that he actually doesn’t mind vegan diets, and that vegan Keto is also a possibility. Ultimately I’m going to stick to Ekberg’s advice and see how my body reacts in the long term to it. If there are issues I’ll make adjustments.
Have to say, this guy is not objective. He is militant vegan. Chiro doctor is maybe chiropractic, but has a bung of videos with reference of books, and studies, he is pointing out. Also Eckeberg is not against vegan diet, just says, the myths mentioned in the movie ...
Surely anyone with common sense would be able to work it out that the current obesity crisis and high cancer rates are not due to an excessive consumption of broccoli and beans. Excellent job, Mic!👍 Keep exposing those "experts" with their half-baked truth.
@DriftZ TwoSeven True, but just because one likes the taste of flesh in their mouths doesn't make meat healthy. Science is awashed with relevant research.
@DriftZ TwoSeven First of all, DriftZ TwoSeven, I'd strongly recommend you to read or listen to The China Study by T Colin Campbell, hopefully that will help to sort out your confusion about protein as an essential macronutrient and more specifically that from animal sources. There, by the way, beyond explaining why animal protein is not good for our species, Dr. Campbell addresses exactly your point regarding skewed and biased science. Secondly, being lean doesn't equal being healthy just as lots of smokers and drug addicts aren't. Thirdly, there's a DIFFERENCE between carbs. Complex carbs from whole plants are as good for us as refined simple carbs mostly in junk foods are bad. Very, very important point to remember and not to mix those two together. And lastly, TMAO, IGF-1, HEME IRON, ENDOTOXINS, CHOLESTEROL AND SATURATED FAT. If you look them up in the latest scientific research, that might put you off your meat for good. If not, keep chasing the final 0.00000001 % proof if you think that 99.9999999% of science against eating animals is not good enough for you. But I'd have thought that the overwhelming body of evidence that animal protein is detrimental to our health is sufficient enough to leave the poor creatures alone and wholeheartedly embrace the food that we have always been meant to eat, namely, whole plants. Just common sense.
Maybe you should talk about the real culprit here, which is sugar. The USDA said that you should eat more carbs and low fat. The main population have followed that and now we have increased obesity, increase type 2 diabetes, increase heart issues. There is your proof. Maybe you should focus on sugar and processed food.
This is so sad to me. I just finished my research paper and most of the facts that the game changers use are true ! Like I literally read multiple anthropologies and peer reviewed research papers for months🤦🏾♀️ but people would still rather just be ignorant 😕
I haven't done a research paper but I feel the same way when people I know eat meat keto and think they are healthy. Veganism is too extreme and restrictive- What????
Strawberrysmoodie I would have to disagree. I rarely if ever eat fake meat and I make my own almond milk. Vegans don’t need to rely on substitutes. Substitutes are actually relatively new to help people who are transitioning to plant based.
Strawberrysmoodie the thing is being vegan isn’t about health so substitutes don’t have to be healthy 😂 people don’t eat vegan pizzas and ice cream for health. Those things are indulgences just like everything else. And just fruit and vegetables 🤨 you’re forgetting about all the whole grans, seeds, nuts, beans and legumes etc. There’s a healthy and an unhealthy way to be vegan and someone who is vegan is free to choose whether they consume substitutes or not 🤷🏽♀️
I’m really so tired of doctors getting on TH-cam and criticizing each other I don’t care if you’re a chiropractor a doctor or a nutritionist it’s like pic pic pic everybody has something good to share, you might not agree maybe you eat meat maybe you don’t but for goodness sake stop getting online and gossiping and criticizing.
Why are you against vegans wearing old leather? I have leather shoes and clothes from decades ago that, if I don’t damage them, can wear them forever and pass them to my kids if need be. Why would I ditch these clothes, buy new clothes, thereby damaging the environment indirectly or sometimes directly in the process and, therefore, hurting animals too? If I keep on wearing my old leather, those animals and their sacrifice was not for nothing-not for me to suddenly go vegan and ditch them. If you have old leather, wear it! Just don’t get new leather.
I researched keto and i am doing it now. I am happy with it i lost a lot of weight and i feel good. Then i decided to research vegan that might be good also. But when i tried to look into it the first three channel i look into are so agressive and judgemental. This makes me think maybe vegans are so agressive because they cant get attension otherwise. Youre the third vegan channel btw. The guy you "debunked" says there isn't just one good diet maybe vegan works for you then go on do it. But youre son aggresive i cant listen to you. Every vegan channel is the same so far. I never saw anyone this aggresive in The keto world.
I'm obviously not arguing with the overall point of the documentary but honestly even as a vegetarian I thought it was incredibly one-sided and deceptive. I don't blame people for not believing everything they said or questioning the studies they used. The "science experiments" they did looked very unprofessional and incomplete, they never mention other factors like sleep, stress etc. It also seems like they extrapolate a lot, some statements sounded pretty out there to me (like the peanut butter sandwich lol). I just don't think portraying veganism as this magical solution that will solve all of your problems is the best way to promote it, it's dishonest and in my opinion doesn't serve veganism in the long run if people end up being disappointed with the results because of their high expectations (if they really only do it for health reasons). They might think it's not worth it !
Dude, your position is as unsubstantiated as much as your voice tone is unpleasant. Gonna go directly to the doctor's video. PS. thumbs down on this video.
It actually depends on what kind of subjects your researching. Wikipedia can be a very valid source when it comes to high level maths and some other natural sciences in higher levels. But when it comes to social studies, history, politics, etc. it can be very biased.
I’m with Dr. Berg and Dr. Ekberg. I’ve followed their advice after being a vegan for several years. I feel much better and I am much healthier. Veganism is not the healthy option for me.
why isn't veganism the healthy option for you? even when it has been proved that it is the best diet? many people say they were vegan for several years but all they do is lie, you can be unhealthy on both the diets,and healthy too but only if you are doing it correctly.
@@AM-tb4fn he literally said why he isnt vegan, he feels much better and healthier. I was whole foods plant based for over a year as well and did "eveything right" took supplements and logged all my food in cronometer. It was great for a while then my hair was falling , i had deep black sunken eyes, eczema, etc. So happy i snapped out of it and finally have a much more healthier diet that will increase my longevity.plant based nutirents arent as bio available for me my skin is finally glowing im losing weight, my gums dont bleed when i brush my teeth. Im gaining muscle mass, my hair is getting stronger again, i could go on
@@rogerchavez461 what did the plant based nutritionist say when you went to them regarding issues you were experiencing? What we're the results of your blood tests and vitals?
@@AM-tb4fn essentially he's saying " I was vegan, Eating Oreos every day for years, and instead of getting tests done and my vitals checked to see if there's an issue, I decided to not be vegan and stop eating Oreos, so now I feel much better because I lust for the blood of those that don't want to die"
Wearephuct O yep this so-called doctor , 😉is a addicts with a superiority complex. And have you ever heard a heroin addict admitting that heroin is bad for you no the always trying to find fake studies. 🤔 That supports their ridiculous claims the same with smokers and alcoholics often, addicts are always irrational when it comes to their addictions!😉
@@themirrorofthetruth2055 Yeah, if anyone doubts the fact of food addiction they need only take a look around them at all obese people there are. They fix up their hair, their clothes, and even go through the pain of tattooing to enhance their appearance, but they can't stop eating.
Not a dumb question at all. You are quite astute actually. Think about it this way. Eat meating is like constantly consuming battery acid, eat enough of those acid- forming foods like meat and the hair follicles will eventually die off and the hair falls out. Dr. Robert Morse has had great success with his patients re-growing hair when they have gone to the fruit and herbs. Fruit and herbs regenerate whereas animal products cannot and do not.
I used to work in Transfusion. We looked at spun blood samples every day. You could see those that had eaten loads of fat, some were like cream coloured paint. No way is it good for you...!!!!!!
This is the least convincing attempt to contest the debunking of a propaganda piece of film making that i have seen. Using techniques like critiquing arguments that Ekberg didn’t even make, simply “calling bs” without anybody justifying, and deliberately misunderstanding the points made, this video is little more than a vehicle to get views to promote a sponsored product produced using high quantities of hydrocarbons. Terrible stuff.
This was super hard to watch. I recently watched The Game Changers and i'm looking at both sides of the argument, and i'm considering going plant-based. While you make some good points, you're so insanely condescending that its hard to stomach watching you.
I believe the debunking video (which actually makes sense) before I believe any of the lies in game changers. Completely misleading "pea protein commercial". You're really digging here. I had to stop watching after a couple minutes. 🤦♀️
Wow that Dr really rattled you. I like how you're annoyed about how he uses information from an ancient physician but you're happy to trust an artist and his mosaic pictures...😂 You also nitpicking at the "sharp teeth" but happy to gloss over that our teeth are in fact built for an omnivore diet. The big fact here is you, the Dr and game changers are full of confirmation bias. If you can overcome your bias, you may find it easier to actually have the important conversation about how we all should be reducing our meat intake without demonising it. Game changers did more harm than good as it obvious created a bigger divide between the vegan and meat eating "camps"
It is honestly shocking how many people don't raise red flags when proper sources aren't cited. Not even high school students can cite wikipedia for their research papers 😂 Thank you for citing sources, and giving these "doctors" a run for their research.
Dr. Ekberg did not infer anything like your inferences in your introduction. He (Dr. Ekberg) stated that these athletes (Gladiators) were noticeably young and at physical peak at the time of death so that normal bone deterioration would not be detectable in this cohort, and that the bone condition was not necessarily the result of a pure vegetarian diet. Also, I take some offence in your need to be derogatory of Dr. Ekberg as an individual and a Physician. I have viewed several his videos and he does not denigrate the authors of alternative material, and mostly points out the strengths and some of the common misunderstandings surrounding some common beliefs around diet, exercise and health. From my own studies, (not comprehensive) in human physiology, nothing that I have heard from Dr Ekberg violates the basic principles I am aware of. I have sought advice from Dr. Ekberg because I have had a long battle with obesity (not yet over), despite my limited understanding of human physiology. It was interesting that I managed to drop 60kg through exercise and cutting meat consumption but am dumfounded that upon resumption of a "normal, "no formal diet" eating plan" my weight rebounded by 20kg, despite exercise and a modified diet. I find his (Dr. Ekberg's) explanations around "Insulin Resistance" quite enlightening, and I have some disposition toward it, because a time before my huge weight blow out, my then wife (an astute researcher) had come across something called the "meat-lovers diet." It was recommended only to be tried for around a 2-months due to health concerns around fat and high cholesterol, but the nuts and bolts are that I did lose weight and felt satiated and dropped calorie intake quite naturally because of the low carb high protein diet. These are two important outcomes of the fasting/keto diet that seem to be being fulfilled by following Dr. Ekberg’s strategies. I have not at this stage lost weight, but some signs of reduction in abdominal fat seems evident after the first week. I am hoping that I will see weight reduction with some persistence but have been pleased with my satiation levels and I seem already to be struggling to eat all the food I have allowed myself in the daily plan. Dr. Ekberg absolutely does not debunk that a vegetarian or vegan diet can meet good health outcomes, just that it is not the best solution for everyone, which the movie "Game Changers" seems to imply, ie change to vegetarian diet and you will be twice the athlete you were before the change. He has every right to challenge this assertion, based on good science principal. I have been on the cusp of T2D for a number of years and have just managed the dodge that bullet so far. My bro, a year and a half younger has not, and has had one foot amputated. Dr. Ekberg, I believe, is not trying to start flame war on vegetarianism v protein consumers, but rather drives at the human metabolic processes that generate energy production and how the human body can run without accumulating excess storage (body fat), too much of which he also concedes is not health optimal, but also not the ogre it has been made out to be. Game Changer's however is driving at the human physical performance angle, and just as a race car achieves a world record, it is not wholly based on the fuel (food) used, but any record breaking will be difficult without attention on the brakes, aerodynamics, or the suspension.
Dude, stay in your lane. A video dogging Ekberg about analyzing gladiators is only trumped by your attempt to do the same. You're a pop scientist, at best
Why do professional bodybuilders cut out 100% carbs outta their diet before a contest then? They get lean and shredded when cutting out all carbs. Carbs make ya fat by increasing insulin which stores fat.
@DriftZ TwoSeven your lifestyle causes suffering, mine reduces it, when meat is grown in a lab completely void of suffering then so be it. Further more in living it I know I'm healthier because I feel healthier, gamechangers merely confirms what I feel and no vegans are not taking a ton of supplements, you'll find meat eaters in the body building world take a shit ton (a vegan that does take supplements got that habit from there). Btw real world problems should be about human AND animal suffering.
@DriftZ TwoSeven Wrong bud and here's a Reality check, www.kinderworld.org/videos/meat-industry/pig-slaughterhouse/ An extreme case but becoming more common as industry lobbies to speed up production lines. Animals are a mere product, what for are they concerned about suffering except when being forced to. How much goes on that we will never find out about As for supplements, I’ve been use chronometer lately, a calorie counting application that keeps track of numerous nutrients and has shown me plant based food easily supplies abundant levels of everything so my evidence isn't just anecdotal though there are plenty of vegans who will testify to such. Workouts these days are packed with power unlike the sluggishness I used to experience on a keto meat diet I'd been on for several years. B12 I do admittedly take sublingually but in case you weren't aware, the older you get the less efficient people will absorb it therefore meat eaters can and will be deficient in it as well and will need to resort to such in time. If the video above didn’t pull a heart string then I question your morality and ethics and would have to wonder if you really do have a sister who is vegan
@DriftZ TwoSeven Here's a reality check, www.kinderworld.org/videos/meat-industry/pig-slaughterhouse/ An extreme case but becoming more common as industry lobbies to speed up production lines. Animals are a mere product, what for are they concerned about suffering except when being forced to. How much goes on that we will never find out about ? As for supplements, I’ve been use chronometer lately, a calorie counting application that keeps track of numerous nutrients and has shown me plant based food easily supplies abundant levels of everything so my evidence isn't just anecdotal though there are plenty of vegans who will testify to such. Workouts these days are packed with power unlike the sluggishness I used to experience on a keto meat diet. b12 I do admittedly take sublingually but in case you weren't aware, the older you get the less efficient people will absorb it therefore meat eaters can and will be deficient in it as well and will need to resort to such in time. There’s more info in this article on where b12 actually comes from (no animal is capable of making it) www.peacefuldumpling.com/vitamin-b12-eat-your-dirt#:~:targetText=B12%20is%20synthesized%20by%20bacteria,bits%20of%20soil%20on%20them.&targetText=That's%20where%20B12%20supplements%20come%20in. If the video above didn’t pull a heart string then I question your morality and ethics and would have to wonder if you really do have a sister who is vegan . Also regardless of where one gets their meat from (in case you want to bring up local farming and humane ways of raising animals for meat) is it actually ethical to kill an animal who would struggle for it's life? Ethics, remember, is one thing that distinguishes humans from animals Source for B12 production since I don’t think the previous article had a source: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5282855/
I really wish vegetarians/vegans and fasting/controlling insulin practitioners would get together on this. It really would save many millions of life’s in the near and distant future. I’m very annoyed with this stance as I can’t believe anyone would fight each other when so many life’s count. So are you saying high sugar and manufactured oils is good for us and breads? If not get on the same track both sides
Odd but I can’t find the REAL DOCTORS video anywhere???? He must have took some flack couldn’t handle it and went searching for flesh to eat to comfort himself... boo hoo 😢
Let’s just be honest, the movie was cherry picked as fuck to fit the vegan agenda, because everyone involved in the movie has a vegan/plant based company they want to profit from. Humans where meant to eat what they had access to based off their geographical location, and if you have to supplement your diet it is not optimal for health. A diet high in vetetables and a variety of organic meats is the healthiest because you are then eating a wide variety of nutrients from many different food sources, rather than having to supplement just because your avoiding the foods that contain those nutrients. The documentary also cherry picks vegan athletes that perform at an elite level, although they fail to mention that the strongest and most successful athletes on this planet eat a wide variety of foods that include meat. The only reason the vegan lifestyle should be promoted is for the morality reasons. If you care about animals an immense amount then you don’t have to eat them, simple as that. But don’t go and say it is optimal to eat a restrictive diet like vegan because it’s just simply not optimal for the majority of the population.
I’m not vegan but i admire who adhered to this kind of diet. Having said that, i must say that Dr. Eckberg is not against vegan diet. He was just critical about some cherry picking data used by filmmakers in order to prove their arguments. He believes that both carnivorous and vegans can be healthy which i agree.I think that what makes the vegan diet so special is not any partcularly health benefit, it is the ethical and philosofical premisses behind it related to animal sentience.
People on in the comment session are hilarious... I followed Dr. Eckberg's videos. Cut carbs and ate more protein both from plants and meat sources and my life changed. People who saw me knew that I was doing something.
When you make a film you have to pick some studies. Can't talk about all Millions of studies. The movie would last for decades. And a Vegan diet is about the animals, the health of the Planet and the health of humans.
@@xperience-evolution No thats not how you make an educational film. This is a documentary about health you have to be honest to people about the health benefits of the diet you choose. This entire documentary was meat is bad plant is good. But it didnt adress any of the arguments on the meatside, it didnt discuss the downsides of vegan diet i mean you practically cant survive on a vegan diet in the northern hemesphier unless you supplement, they didnt adress issues with converting beta caroten to vitamin a, they didnt discuss epedemiology or the epedemiology tests done in china bangladish and india with almost 1 milion people that showed an inverse assosiation between meat and cvd. They flatout ignored every fact and procceded to advance their own agenda.
9:05 why do you immediately assume he meant turning carbs to fat? If in a calorie deficit most people have lots of thousands of fat calories stored in the belly and butt for later use. I think your point here is ignoring the point and focusing on how you can make him sound wrong despite us all knowing we burn body fat if we dont consume enough calories.
He missed the real proof: Gladiators had a significantly lower life expectancy. They accidentally ran into knives and swords very often because of their poor diet
Ekberg is a common last name in Sweden, it means oak-mountain. There's a lot of last names that are nature derived like Sjökvist (Lake-twig lol) or Berggren (mountain-tree branch) in endless combinations. My family name is Rose thorn-mountain. Funny thing is his first name "Sten" means rock, or maybe stone is a better translation. So his name is Stone Oak-Mountain 😂
Vegans: _It's totally better for the planet & more ethical than a traditional diet!_ Farmers: _you ever see what a thresher does to a groundhog, chipmunk, or any other little furry creature in a field? Didn't think so._
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Update: The exhaustive list of references has been posted on medium.com and the saturated fat doesn't impair artery function study IS NOT THERE.
New video about Joe Rogan with James and Chris! Please and thanks.
Thank you for everything you do i love you!!! Can you do a response on the "debunk on game changers" by youtube channel "food lies" thanks a mil!!
Thanks Mike. What a big surprise for all of us that is in the sad case of this guy! LOL! Thank you for your amazing and painstakingly good research work! We appreciate it!
Wow, I can't believe it. Claiming that the Game Changers Movie is cherry picking their studies and then "randomly selecting" a study that's not even there... Unbelievable. Thank you Mic!
Well done Mic. Thats a good debunk.
Game Changers was a game changer for me. Gone vegan
Daniel Jones 😇thanks for havin an open mind
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good man! we all start somewhere! 👍💚
Congratulations! Google "21 day kick start" to get expert advice about how to do it right. That way you will get the most benefit for the long term.
Congrats keep it up, hope it is a game changers for many, many people too
Eh, sorry but Ekberg still more persuasive-because he is more inclusive and encourages personal vigilance. I think he’s pushing for personal balance through a more a Whole30 approach, which is essentially to understand your own very unique inflammatory and metabolic triggers, and to focus on whole food, not processed stuff, heavy on fructose, corn, and soy. I realized after the Whole30 how badly my body reacted to ordinary grains, like oatmeal and dairy. Sugar and fructose and starch altogether another challenge. I’ll keep my balanced, fairly low-carb approach, with emphasis on cruciferous vegetables, leafy greens, mushrooms, nuts, and whole eggs. I’ll also nix dairy, except for sensible amounts of grass-fed butter and ghee, and I’ll stick with the occasional grass-fed meat or fish, especially when I feel my body needs it. My family has been vegetarian for generations but we’re cursed with heart disease and lately, we’re fielding an epidemic of diabetes. Part of it has to do with our shifting lifestyle, food availability, and definitely food choices. Vegetarianism or veganism apparently doesn’t always guarantee you like vegetables.
We are in our 70s and gave followed Dr. Ekberg for two years. We each list 45 pounds and have lowered our triglycerides and increased our HDL. Our A1C levels are both normal and our fasting insulin has come down along with our HOMA-IR scores. I know our inflammation has come down as well so much so that I know longer use a cane or walker to get around.
The denial is unreal and the ignorance is even worse in the west!
If cloudy plasma is better, then why can’t you donate plasma that day if your serum is plasma is too cloudy during the physical exam 🧐🧐
Not all doctors are healers!
1 thing i know about the GLADIATOR..we know meat, poultry are for the higher hierarchy citizens, the rich. while the normal people to slaves eat more fish and seeds, vegetables..this also has been proven after a town near the Pompeii, they find on the site esp at a food outlet for the town, thousands of seeds and fish bone proof of the food that people eat daily. plus even white bread are considered for the rich, while the rough and more nutritious bread was eaten by lower citizens. so if gladiator are slaves. of course, they will eat more seed and vegetarian.
plus, human starts flourishing after we know how to plant our food.
Holistic doctors know a lot more about nutrition than any so called real doctor. You get less than 20 hours of nutrition in medical school. I listened to a real doctor who had majored in nutritional biochemistry talk about when he went to medical school had that all driven out of him when he went to medical school. I have type 2 diabetes. You so called real doctors have not helped in over 20 years. I followed Dr. Ekberg's advice and now have normal blood sugar (85- 99) with no meds. It was over 200. Maybe you should watch more of Ekberg's videos. He teaches that all real foods, not just meats are healthy.
I followed Dr. Ekberg's advice and in three months I lost fifty two lbs and my blood pressure went from pre-hypertension to below normal. Now I'm concerned that it might be too low and I'm still eating steaks and eggs but plenty of vegetables too as well as complex carbs. Thank you Dr. Ekberg! That man no doubt added years to my life.
Not saying antioxidants from food are bad. But you gotta realize that antioxidants can also protect cancerous cells and actually work against you. The context of when and how antioxidants are consumed is very important. Beta carotene is an important antioxidant. But over-feed beta-carotene to a smoker and their risk of lung cancer rises two fold.
Btw. I am vegan myself. But I think many vegans often comes off as people with a "know it all" mentality.
It was suspect that dude runs “Real Doctor” in all his titles but he’s a chiropractor. I know they are real doctors but most people would assume “REAL DOCTOR” = MD
YES THIS IS TRUE and I didn't even mention it. Just like Eric BERG. Real doctor is true technically but people assume it's a medical doctor when you say that. Standard.
Red Pill Vegan thanks for acknowledging that we are real doctors. When people simply dismiss a chiro for being a chiro it kills me, most are idiots anyways there’s plenty of other reasons to dismiss them rather than stopping to just saying they are a chiropractor 😂
Another chiropractor? They must have lots of nutrition schooling as all the keto experts are chiropractors.
Jessy Glaub - Sadly I was GREATLY misled by a chiropractor back about 6 years ago in terms of nutrition. It soured my taste for them.
But when I injured my neck I took a recommendation from a friend and went back (to a completely different practice) and can not say anything bad about the profession except that the nature of our health crisis has led a lot of them to offering weight loss services - which, when combined with the supplement sales that go along with it - often make up the majority of their revenue.
But I can’t blame them... people come and want weight loss. No One knows who to trust or what to eat, the American public is confused and nutritionally confounded by conflicting messages.
I think this guy is actually a "wholistic doctor", which is a step up from a chiropractor (7 years of education instead of 4) but still not a medical doctor.
“Level 10 meat goggles” merch coming soon?
100 lvls under 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
IT would ne interresting tout Deep dive in these "doctors" sources of funding.
On a positive note, he has nice printing. 😉
He isn’t a meat eat advocate he is a fasting advocate
I’m sorry but your attitude just really comes across as high minded hottie critical like you have it all figured out and I think you’re missing a few things. Although I respect your opinion.
Just because a doctor says something doesn’t make it true. Appeal to authority fallacy. Evidence once again comes out on top! 🙏🏼😄 #plantpower
@Molson Muscle Chiropractor doesn't equal nutritionist or even MD
Arthritis to Athlete
But this channel appeal to authority all the time if the message is correct.
Arthritis to Athlete you need to scream that first sentence from the rooftops!!!
Appeal to authority? Tf you talking about? Everything in the real doctors video is the complete opposite of. Mic is the one still holding onto the old science the WHO holds onto.
Jim Jimmy 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 exactly!
I love that a vegan channel is sponsored by a vegan outerwear company. It's so wholesome
My husband and I were vegetarians, but since the movie we have decided to go vegan! Thanks for your videos!
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@@benjaminvolant2469 thank you but I've got as much research as I need for my decision, 😉
@steveninthe never asked for your opinion, thank you
@steveninthe there is plenty evidence supporting a vegan diet. It's sad to see how hard you try to prove your point, it's like when the tabaco industry tried to hide that cigarettes where killing people, but at the end everyone knows that gives you cancer, it's only a matter of time.
Amazing Cristina!!
I'm so early, Mic hasn't changed the title yet :)
burned.
Anti vegans: canines tho
Gelada baboon: Hold my grass
I don't know about baboons, but gorillas have huge canines and eat a plant based diet.
@@someguy2135 its because of their religion
spliter227 c a r n i s m committing Ancestral repeating narrowminded insidious Sadistic massacre or c a r n i s m committing Ancestral ritualist narrowminded insidious Sadistic massacre. ......
Anti vegan means antagonistic , narrowminded. terroristic indoctrinated. violent. ecocentric‘s . gluttonous. apathetic. nihilist .
The mirror of the truth lol ya you’re not radical
@@someguy2135 they use their teeth to threaten other gorilla's. They don't use them as part of a diet. Humans have canines to tear through meat.
Why can’t people just be real. People who teach their opinion shouldn’t teach.
Purple Elizabeth
Many people wouldnt male money then lol
@MrQuidestveritas At the same time, you can't just pull things out your ass. It's fine to say "my theory is..." Or "I think..." but at least have a logical explanation or some type of scientific backing. If you think all the research is wrong, then do your own research but you can't give health information which is not evidence based.
There is money in telling folks good news about bad habits.
Our issues come from the combination of High fats and High carbs in one meal.
Supplying the body with two sources of fuel, in high amounts, will cause the body to use one and store the other. *This guy shows the proof and explains "the cloudy blood".* - th-cam.com/video/s41FM-XoBmI/w-d-xo.html
Then many vegans wouldn’t be doing this either lol
*Disclaimer I am not biased towards vegans or ketoers
Videos likes these genuinely makes me confused because both sides make claims that make me think. I have been both keto and vegan and even both at the same time. I am no doctor just some random guy trying to choose a healthy lifestyle and genuinely interested in health and nutrition.
I’ve learned that you can be healthy doing both, i lost 25 pounds as a vegan and gained some muscle. But when I was Keto I lost 35 pounds a lot faster while also gaining muscle and strength at the gym. And I felt amazing doing both. I have also ate unhealthy vegan junk foods towards the end of my 1st year as a vegan and gained back all the weight I lost ( I take full responsibility on that ). As well as the same goes for keto I ate “fat bombs” snacks all the time and gained some weight back.
At the end of the day I just try to be as balanced as possible and do my best now to stay away from as much processed foods as possible. My family line has amazing genetics and my family from both sides have lived into the 100’s before passing away and they were not vegan, they were not keto. But they also were not stressing about this stuff and lived in the DR where all fruits veggies and meat is prepared organically with none of the crazy stuff we use today in everything. I love my greens I love my fruits, i still eat meat and I still have junk food every now and then but nothing like I did before. What I do know is that All my inflammation issues I had before I even started any of these diets are completely gone and I feel amazing now. and I can perform at an advanced level in the gym and with my friends playing sports.
I appreciate and enjoy these videos and I glean as much as I can from both sides without trying to be biased. I just genuinely want to be healthy. I don’t hate vegans I don’t hate keto I appreciate that both sides have helped different people with different circumstances. And I undertake that the debate of keto vs vegan will go on for ever. just dropping in my 2 cents until then I’ll be watching and reading every single TH-camr “debunk” each other and see contradiction studies on everything we put in our mouth!
I'm just confused on how you could have possibly done keto and been vegan simultaneously.
@@marcusjackman1487 a lot of leafy green vegetables, avocado, nuts, seeds, coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil
@@hexada_ghostemane Ok so basically high fat but sourced from plants, gotcha. Thanks.
"People are putting so much "weight" on the gladiator..." I see what u did there😂
Honestly, this ekenberg doctor made more sense than you trying debunking him. I have no idea who is this doctor but your arguments are completely ridiculous.
As soon as this “real doc” said “multi unsaturated fats” I though “yup, that’s gotta be a chiropractor... either that, or a real(ly) dumb MD” ;),,,
Yup. Lost all credability with one word
To be fair, that can also happen to experts. But a expert would realize that he made a error and would make the video again.
ggzh a Argue With Everyone
Well in most developed countries that would be really really rare bc basics like that get drilled into your head so hard you almost cant say it any other way its just automatic - because it needs to be in the high stress environment of the clinic
@Cin
I mean i also say things wrong in my field. I think about the right thing but when i translate it to a language it can be translated wrong and i say things the wrong way.
@@happygimp0 or at least correct it during editing
I have nothing against anyone going vegan, but why does it seem like vegan influencers (and many non influencers) are so condescending. This guy talks like he’s a superior, smarter person. Everything about his vibe is what I think most people get rubbed the wrong way when talking to a vegan. I personally don’t get annoyed by someone eating plants. But I get really annoyed by someone talking to me or others like they’re better. Plant or meat eater, doesn’t matter. I think most vegans are working so hard to justify their decision that it’s coming off wrong. Just be vegan. Eat what you’d like. And don’t talk so condescending when discussing a non vegan life style. By the way.... I know some meat eaters can be degrading to vegans too, for no reason. But the ratio of cocky vegans to non cocky vegans is super overwhelming.
Anyone else notice how you never see "Dr. E.Berg in the same room with "Dr." Ekberg?
Two crazy chiropractors.
Nope. Just did these chiropractor videos... *sunglasses*... back to back
Wearephuct O I think this is so called real doctor looks like he has cancer and have taken chemotherapy where are his eyebrows and hair😁
@@themirrorofthetruth2055 Maybe he's animatronic
Wearephuct O lol that will be hilarious. mr androids pseudo doctor.
I watched it. He is a tad on the nutty side.
Or just grossly ignorant about human biochemistry for someone who has been through med school. I was amazed watching this.
tamcon72
He is? He seem to understand much more of the human body then your random Vegan youtuber.
@Pete THE REAL Relentless you spelled chiropractor incorrectly.
@@ghostviggen said an absolute cretin...
milkynips1
Your point?
The real doctor isn't even a real doctor...
Or at least not a medical doctor. Doctor is a title that has a lot more about how much you studied than what you studied.
Why are vegans always angry 😂
Because they are always hungry.
Another “real doctor” sprouting absolute nonsense *sigh* I wonder if he at least got paid by Wikipedia for citing them constantly.
@DriftZ TwoSeven Exactly, always follow the money.
In case you weren’t tracking, Unnatural Vegan also did a “debunk Game Changers” video and even by her usual audience it wasn’t really very well received but in case you wanted to respond anyway... I’m just saying I would watch it 😄
@@TechnoBro999 So classy
Matt make an argument.
@@kx7500 nope, he didn´t
Joe's big debunking is tomorrow.... cant wait for the comedic bro science lol
Haha are you a masochist
This video has a chiropractor and next on Joe Rogan is an acupuncturist and Chinese medicine expert Chris Kresser. 🤦🏽♂️😆
@@jhunt5578 🤣🤣🤣
Dr Ekberg has stated before that he actually doesn’t mind vegan diets, and that vegan Keto is also a possibility. Ultimately I’m going to stick to Ekberg’s advice and see how my body reacts in the long term to it. If there are issues I’ll make adjustments.
If Sten were to blink slightly faster, he’d fly away. 🦋
Tbf its playing at +25 speed.
@@jhunt5578
Wow, he must be speaking very slowly if that's true.
HAHAHAHAHAHAG
True: i wrote to him, asking “why do you blink continuously” , and guess what? He deleted my comment…
@@famigliatibaldo5252 Wow, really?? Touchy subject eh 🤷♂️
Weak. You don't appear to have listened to more than the first words on every topic. Doesn't effectively critique anything.
Have to say, this guy is not objective. He is militant vegan. Chiro doctor is maybe chiropractic, but has a bung of videos with reference of books, and studies, he is pointing out. Also Eckeberg is not against vegan diet, just says, the myths mentioned in the movie ...
Surely anyone with common sense would be able to work it out that the current obesity crisis and high cancer rates are not due to an excessive consumption of broccoli and beans. Excellent job, Mic!👍 Keep exposing those "experts" with their half-baked truth.
LoL... XD Good point, so true! :)
it isn't because of overconsumption of meat and eggs either.
@DriftZ TwoSeven True, but just because one likes the taste of flesh in their mouths doesn't make meat healthy. Science is awashed with relevant research.
@DriftZ TwoSeven First of all, DriftZ TwoSeven, I'd strongly recommend you to read or listen to The China Study by T Colin Campbell, hopefully that will help to sort out your confusion about protein as an essential macronutrient and more specifically that from animal sources. There, by the way, beyond explaining why animal protein is not good for our species, Dr. Campbell addresses exactly your point regarding skewed and biased science. Secondly, being lean doesn't equal being healthy just as lots of smokers and drug addicts aren't. Thirdly, there's a DIFFERENCE between carbs. Complex carbs from whole plants are as good for us as refined simple carbs mostly in junk foods are bad. Very, very important point to remember and not to mix those two together. And lastly, TMAO, IGF-1, HEME IRON, ENDOTOXINS, CHOLESTEROL AND SATURATED FAT. If you look them up in the latest scientific research, that might put you off your meat for good. If not, keep chasing the final 0.00000001 % proof if you think that 99.9999999% of science against eating animals is not good enough for you. But I'd have thought that the overwhelming body of evidence that animal protein is detrimental to our health is sufficient enough to leave the poor creatures alone and wholeheartedly embrace the food that we have always been meant to eat, namely, whole plants. Just common sense.
Maybe you should talk about the real culprit here, which is sugar. The USDA said that you should eat more carbs and low fat. The main population have followed that and now we have increased obesity, increase type 2 diabetes, increase heart issues. There is your proof. Maybe you should focus on sugar and processed food.
This is so sad to me. I just finished my research paper and most of the facts that the game changers use are true ! Like I literally read multiple anthropologies and peer reviewed research papers for months🤦🏾♀️ but people would still rather just be ignorant 😕
La La you wrote a paper on the film?
I haven't done a research paper but I feel the same way when people I know eat meat keto and think they are healthy. Veganism is too extreme and restrictive- What????
Red Pill Vegan no. I wrote a research paper on how diet influences gastrointestinal health
Strawberrysmoodie I would have to disagree. I rarely if ever eat fake meat and I make my own almond milk. Vegans don’t need to rely on substitutes. Substitutes are actually relatively new to help people who are transitioning to plant based.
Strawberrysmoodie the thing is being vegan isn’t about health so substitutes don’t have to be healthy 😂 people don’t eat vegan pizzas and ice cream for health. Those things are indulgences just like everything else. And just fruit and vegetables 🤨 you’re forgetting about all the whole grans, seeds, nuts, beans and legumes etc. There’s a healthy and an unhealthy way to be vegan and someone who is vegan is free to choose whether they consume substitutes or not 🤷🏽♀️
Aw man... I guess 50% of studies probably say breathing is harmful. Time to cut that out...
So what if both Docs have a white board? Why is that pertinent? Why are you vegan types so snarky?
@Mic the vegan you look sick bro, seriously....get some blood tests.
You coul tell he wAs Lying when he said he picked that study at random , his body language and the way he said it was obvious.
@James Parker carnist?
Hey Mike, you’re a ‘science writer’. What actual qualifications do you have?
A gooood question.
'Equally prestigious'...
OMG... 'what if cloudy is better'... Lol
What if blackened lungs of a smoker is better?
His brain is certainly very cloudy
Presidential candidate Andrew Yang has proposed a meat tax and to give everyone $1000/month. Vote for #Yang2020 !
I’m really so tired of doctors getting on TH-cam and criticizing each other I don’t care if you’re a chiropractor a doctor or a nutritionist it’s like pic pic pic everybody has something good to share, you might not agree maybe you eat meat maybe you don’t but for goodness sake stop getting online and gossiping and criticizing.
the gladiator thing is dumb, from either diets point of view. Move on.
Why are you against vegans wearing old leather? I have leather shoes and clothes from decades ago that, if I don’t damage them, can wear them forever and pass them to my kids if need be. Why would I ditch these clothes, buy new clothes, thereby damaging the environment indirectly or sometimes directly in the process and, therefore, hurting animals too? If I keep on wearing my old leather, those animals and their sacrifice was not for nothing-not for me to suddenly go vegan and ditch them. If you have old leather, wear it! Just don’t get new leather.
If I hear the sharp front teeth argument one more time... Maybe vampires are real? 🙈
I am from India . We eat high carbs mainly grain and vegetables. We are at the bottom in obese country list .🍏🌱🍏🌱🍏🌱
I dont know if a chiropractor is "a real doctor".
Edit: Red Pill Vegan beat me to it
What do you call a real doctor someone who call themselves MD and don't know anything about diet?
You are just amazing at what you do
I researched keto and i am doing it now. I am happy with it i lost a lot of weight and i feel good. Then i decided to research vegan that might be good also. But when i tried to look into it the first three channel i look into are so agressive and judgemental. This makes me think maybe vegans are so agressive because they cant get attension otherwise. Youre the third vegan channel btw. The guy you "debunked" says there isn't just one good diet maybe vegan works for you then go on do it. But youre son aggresive i cant listen to you. Every vegan channel is the same so far. I never saw anyone this aggresive in The keto world.
I stopped keto after a couple of kidney stones. Hope it better for you. All the best.
more petty blah blah blah, whine whine whine from the angry vegans
So another expert "Dr" jumping at the ASSumption the Gladiators were fat, because, carbs make ya fat.
Well look at me after 50 years of carb-binging.
Vegan CarboRaider one of the other researchers whos name is on the paper said they were fat too, biolayne cited it
... another BALD one.
"said they were fat too"
As I said in my response vid, Is there any evidence they were fat, beside the circular logic of these meat-head Dr.s?
I'm obviously not arguing with the overall point of the documentary but honestly even as a vegetarian I thought it was incredibly one-sided and deceptive. I don't blame people for not believing everything they said or questioning the studies they used. The "science experiments" they did looked very unprofessional and incomplete, they never mention other factors like sleep, stress etc. It also seems like they extrapolate a lot, some statements sounded pretty out there to me (like the peanut butter sandwich lol). I just don't think portraying veganism as this magical solution that will solve all of your problems is the best way to promote it, it's dishonest and in my opinion doesn't serve veganism in the long run if people end up being disappointed with the results because of their high expectations (if they really only do it for health reasons). They might think it's not worth it !
This doctor. Mr ekberg also advocates on it being fine to eat 4+ eggs a day. And guess what, hes correct.
Dude, your position is as unsubstantiated as much as your voice tone is unpleasant.
Gonna go directly to the doctor's video.
PS. thumbs down on this video.
Wikipedia?! 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ Come on, middle schoolers know that's not a valid source. 🤣
It actually depends on what kind of subjects your researching. Wikipedia can be a very valid source when it comes to high level maths and some other natural sciences in higher levels. But when it comes to social studies, history, politics, etc. it can be very biased.
slboss123 I’d agree. I’ve also heard undergrad professors allow it now in some classes lol
LainasLife I hate when people say that Wikipedia isn’t a good source.
@@slboss123 well any source about social studies, history, politics is always biasaed
I am sorry but you are not in the same league as dr ekberg go back to your so called school buddy
"Level 10 Meat Goggles!" 😂😂😂
I wonder what these wonder jackets are made of, plastics?
I’m with Dr. Berg and Dr. Ekberg. I’ve followed their advice after being a vegan for several years. I feel much better and I am much healthier. Veganism is not the healthy option for me.
why isn't veganism the healthy option for you? even when it has been proved that it is the best diet? many people say they were vegan for several years but all they do is lie, you can be unhealthy on both the diets,and healthy too but only if you are doing it correctly.
@@AM-tb4fn he literally said why he isnt vegan, he feels much better and healthier. I was whole foods plant based for over a year as well and did "eveything right" took supplements and logged all my food in cronometer. It was great for a while then my hair was falling , i had deep black sunken eyes, eczema, etc. So happy i snapped out of it and finally have a much more healthier diet that will increase my longevity.plant based nutirents arent as bio available for me my skin is finally glowing im losing weight, my gums dont bleed when i brush my teeth. Im gaining muscle mass, my hair is getting stronger again, i could go on
@@rogerchavez461 what did the plant based nutritionist say when you went to them regarding issues you were experiencing? What we're the results of your blood tests and vitals?
@@AM-tb4fn essentially he's saying " I was vegan, Eating Oreos every day for years, and instead of getting tests done and my vitals checked to see if there's an issue, I decided to not be vegan and stop eating Oreos, so now I feel much better because I lust for the blood of those that don't want to die"
Sten sounds pretty measured, this guy sounds triggered.
I came with an open mind however I think this video does a good job in reinforcing beliefs but not actually swaying people to change their minds.
Right from the beginning, all the eye blinking is a sure sign that he knows he's not telling the truth.
Wearephuct O yep this so-called doctor , 😉is a addicts with a superiority complex. And have you ever heard a heroin addict admitting that heroin is bad for you no the always trying to find fake studies. 🤔 That supports their ridiculous claims the same with smokers and alcoholics often,
addicts are always irrational when it comes to their addictions!😉
@@themirrorofthetruth2055 Yeah, if anyone doubts the fact of food addiction they need only take a look around them at all obese people there are. They fix up their hair, their clothes, and even go through the pain of tattooing to enhance their appearance, but they can't stop eating.
This is a really dumb question, but why does it seem like most “anti-vegans” are bald or balding? Especially heavy meat eating weightlifters.
Not a dumb question at all. You are quite astute actually. Think about it this way. Eat meating is like constantly consuming battery acid, eat enough of those acid- forming foods like meat and the hair follicles will eventually die off and the hair falls out. Dr. Robert Morse has had great success with his patients re-growing hair when they have gone to the fruit and herbs. Fruit and herbs regenerate whereas animal products cannot and do not.
I used to work in Transfusion. We looked at spun blood samples every day. You could see those that had eaten loads of fat, some were like cream coloured paint. No way is it good for you...!!!!!!
DriftZ TwoSeven it’s definitely a fat suspension. Carbs get converted to fat but it’s not in the bloodstream afterwards.
means nothing. Ancel Keyes lied that fat was bad for us and started all this bullshit that is finally getting rectified.
A doctor making the assumption the lipemia may be okay? Wow... that is new.
This is the least convincing attempt to contest the debunking of a propaganda piece of film making that i have seen. Using techniques like critiquing arguments that Ekberg didn’t even make, simply “calling bs” without anybody justifying, and deliberately misunderstanding the points made, this video is little more than a vehicle to get views to promote a sponsored product produced using high quantities of hydrocarbons. Terrible stuff.
This was super hard to watch. I recently watched The Game Changers and i'm looking at both sides of the argument, and i'm considering going plant-based. While you make some good points, you're so insanely condescending that its hard to stomach watching you.
I believe the debunking video (which actually makes sense) before I believe any of the lies in game changers. Completely misleading "pea protein commercial". You're really digging here. I had to stop watching after a couple minutes. 🤦♀️
I saw Patrick Baboumian challenged Brian Shaw to a 1 rep squat competition today in response to Shaw saying he’d our lift the vegan in any lift.
kbkesq it was actually Shaw who challenged Patrick
Wow that Dr really rattled you. I like how you're annoyed about how he uses information from an ancient physician but you're happy to trust an artist and his mosaic pictures...😂 You also nitpicking at the "sharp teeth" but happy to gloss over that our teeth are in fact built for an omnivore diet. The big fact here is you, the Dr and game changers are full of confirmation bias. If you can overcome your bias, you may find it easier to actually have the important conversation about how we all should be reducing our meat intake without demonising it. Game changers did more harm than good as it obvious created a bigger divide between the vegan and meat eating "camps"
It is honestly shocking how many people don't raise red flags when proper sources aren't cited. Not even high school students can cite wikipedia for their research papers 😂 Thank you for citing sources, and giving these "doctors" a run for their research.
Welcome to my blocked channel list.
Dr. Ekberg did not infer anything like your inferences in your introduction. He (Dr. Ekberg) stated that these athletes (Gladiators) were noticeably young and at physical peak at the time of death so that normal bone deterioration would not be detectable in this cohort, and that the bone condition was not necessarily the result of a pure vegetarian diet. Also, I take some offence in your need to be derogatory of Dr. Ekberg as an individual and a Physician. I have viewed several his videos and he does not denigrate the authors of alternative material, and mostly points out the strengths and some of the common misunderstandings surrounding some common beliefs around diet, exercise and health. From my own studies, (not comprehensive) in human physiology, nothing that I have heard from Dr Ekberg violates the basic principles I am aware of. I have sought advice from Dr. Ekberg because I have had a long battle with obesity (not yet over), despite my limited understanding of human physiology. It was interesting that I managed to drop 60kg through exercise and cutting meat consumption but am dumfounded that upon resumption of a "normal, "no formal diet" eating plan" my weight rebounded by 20kg, despite exercise and a modified diet. I find his (Dr. Ekberg's) explanations around "Insulin Resistance" quite enlightening, and I have some disposition toward it, because a time before my huge weight blow out, my then wife (an astute researcher) had come across something called the "meat-lovers diet." It was recommended only to be tried for around a 2-months due to health concerns around fat and high cholesterol, but the nuts and bolts are that I did lose weight and felt satiated and dropped calorie intake quite naturally because of the low carb high protein diet. These are two important outcomes of the fasting/keto diet that seem to be being fulfilled by following Dr. Ekberg’s strategies. I have not at this stage lost weight, but some signs of reduction in abdominal fat seems evident after the first week. I am hoping that I will see weight reduction with some persistence but have been pleased with my satiation levels and I seem already to be struggling to eat all the food I have allowed myself in the daily plan. Dr. Ekberg absolutely does not debunk that a vegetarian or vegan diet can meet good health outcomes, just that it is not the best solution for everyone, which the movie "Game Changers" seems to imply, ie change to vegetarian diet and you will be twice the athlete you were before the change. He has every right to challenge this assertion, based on good science principal. I have been on the cusp of T2D for a number of years and have just managed the dodge that bullet so far. My bro, a year and a half younger has not, and has had one foot amputated. Dr. Ekberg, I believe, is not trying to start flame war on vegetarianism v protein consumers, but rather drives at the human metabolic processes that generate energy production and how the human body can run without accumulating excess storage (body fat), too much of which he also concedes is not health optimal, but also not the ogre it has been made out to be. Game Changer's however is driving at the human physical performance angle, and just as a race car achieves a world record, it is not wholly based on the fuel (food) used, but any record breaking will be difficult without attention on the brakes, aerodynamics, or the suspension.
Dude, stay in your lane. A video dogging Ekberg about analyzing gladiators is only trumped by your attempt to do the same. You're a pop scientist, at best
My mind is blown. First, from the words coming out of the “doc’s” mouth. Also from Mic shutting him down and dropping the mic 🎤
Why do professional bodybuilders cut out 100% carbs outta their diet before a contest then? They get lean and shredded when cutting out all carbs. Carbs make ya fat by increasing insulin which stores fat.
It doesn't matter how illogical the guy is, people who don't want to give up the meat are going to take his video as gospel
@DriftZ TwoSeven your lifestyle causes suffering, mine reduces it, when meat is grown in a lab completely void of suffering then so be it. Further more in living it I know I'm healthier because I feel healthier, gamechangers merely confirms what I feel and no vegans are not taking a ton of supplements, you'll find meat eaters in the body building world take a shit ton (a vegan that does take supplements got that habit from there). Btw real world problems should be about human AND animal suffering.
@DriftZ TwoSeven Wrong bud and here's a Reality check,
www.kinderworld.org/videos/meat-industry/pig-slaughterhouse/
An extreme case but becoming more common as industry lobbies to speed up production lines. Animals are a mere product, what for are they concerned about suffering except when being forced to. How much goes on that we will never find out about
As for supplements, I’ve been use chronometer lately, a calorie counting application that keeps track of numerous nutrients and has shown me plant based food easily supplies abundant levels of everything so my evidence isn't just anecdotal though there are plenty of vegans who will testify to such. Workouts these days are packed with power unlike the sluggishness I used to experience on a keto meat diet I'd been on for several years. B12 I do admittedly take sublingually but in case you weren't aware, the older you get the less efficient people will absorb it therefore meat eaters can and will be deficient in it as well and will need to resort to such in time.
If the video above didn’t pull a heart string then I question your morality and ethics and would have to wonder if you really do have a sister who is vegan
@DriftZ TwoSeven Here's a reality check,
www.kinderworld.org/videos/meat-industry/pig-slaughterhouse/
An extreme case but becoming more common as industry lobbies to speed up production lines. Animals are a mere product, what for are they concerned about suffering except when being forced to. How much goes on that we will never find out about
?
As for supplements, I’ve been use chronometer lately, a calorie counting application that keeps track of numerous nutrients and has shown me plant based food easily supplies abundant levels of everything so my evidence isn't just anecdotal though there are plenty of vegans who will testify to such. Workouts these days are packed with power unlike the sluggishness I used to experience on a keto meat diet. b12 I do admittedly take sublingually but in case you weren't aware, the older you get the less efficient people will absorb it therefore meat eaters can and will be deficient in it as well and will need to resort to such in time.
There’s more info in this article on where b12 actually comes from
(no animal is capable of making it)
www.peacefuldumpling.com/vitamin-b12-eat-your-dirt#:~:targetText=B12%20is%20synthesized%20by%20bacteria,bits%20of%20soil%20on%20them.&targetText=That's%20where%20B12%20supplements%20come%20in.
If the video above didn’t pull a heart string then I question your morality and ethics and would have to wonder if you really do have a sister who is vegan
. Also regardless of where one gets their meat from (in case you want to bring up local farming and humane ways of raising animals for meat) is it actually ethical to kill an animal who would struggle for it's life? Ethics, remember, is one thing that distinguishes humans from animals
Source for B12 production since I don’t think the previous article had a source: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5282855/
@DriftZ TwoSeven You've done everything you've accused me of. Calm your tits dude
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I really wish vegetarians/vegans and fasting/controlling insulin practitioners would get together on this. It really would save many millions of life’s in the near and distant future.
I’m very annoyed with this stance as I can’t believe anyone would fight each other when so many life’s count.
So are you saying high sugar and manufactured oils is good for us and breads? If not get on the same track both sides
You're a legend Mic
Odd but I can’t find the REAL DOCTORS video anywhere???? He must have took some flack couldn’t handle it and went searching for flesh to eat to comfort himself... boo hoo 😢
Love the sponsor! Looks like an awesome jacket, thanks for bringing it to my attention, will certainly keep it in mind when we move back north!
Let’s just be honest, the movie was cherry picked as fuck to fit the vegan agenda, because everyone involved in the movie has a vegan/plant based company they want to profit from. Humans where meant to eat what they had access to based off their geographical location, and if you have to supplement your diet it is not optimal for health. A diet high in vetetables and a variety of organic meats is the healthiest because you are then eating a wide variety of nutrients from many different food sources, rather than having to supplement just because your avoiding the foods that contain those nutrients. The documentary also cherry picks vegan athletes that perform at an elite level, although they fail to mention that the strongest and most successful athletes on this planet eat a wide variety of foods that include meat. The only reason the vegan lifestyle should be promoted is for the morality reasons. If you care about animals an immense amount then you don’t have to eat them, simple as that. But don’t go and say it is optimal to eat a restrictive diet like vegan because it’s just simply not optimal for the majority of the population.
I’m not vegan but i admire who adhered to this kind of diet. Having said that, i must say that Dr. Eckberg is not against vegan diet. He was just critical about some cherry picking data used by filmmakers in order to prove their arguments. He believes that both carnivorous and vegans can be healthy which i agree.I think that what makes the vegan diet so special is not any partcularly health benefit, it is the ethical and philosofical premisses behind it related to animal sentience.
People on in the comment session are hilarious... I followed Dr. Eckberg's videos. Cut carbs and ate more protein both from plants and meat sources and my life changed. People who saw me knew that I was doing something.
When you make a film you have to pick some studies. Can't talk about all Millions of studies. The movie would last for decades.
And a Vegan diet is about the animals, the health of the Planet and the health of humans.
@@xperience-evolution No thats not how you make an educational film. This is a documentary about health you have to be honest to people about the health benefits of the diet you choose. This entire documentary was meat is bad plant is good. But it didnt adress any of the arguments on the meatside, it didnt discuss the downsides of vegan diet i mean you practically cant survive on a vegan diet in the northern hemesphier unless you supplement, they didnt adress issues with converting beta caroten to vitamin a, they didnt discuss epedemiology or the epedemiology tests done in china bangladish and india with almost 1 milion people that showed an inverse assosiation between meat and cvd. They flatout ignored every fact and procceded to advance their own agenda.
@@Michael-ol2gv you flatout got screwed over by the meat Industry and make yourself a fool by repeating what they tell you.
9:05 why do you immediately assume he meant turning carbs to fat? If in a calorie deficit most people have lots of thousands of fat calories stored in the belly and butt for later use. I think your point here is ignoring the point and focusing on how you can make him sound wrong despite us all knowing we burn body fat if we dont consume enough calories.
He missed the real proof: Gladiators had a significantly lower life expectancy. They accidentally ran into knives and swords very often because of their poor diet
He did not claim they died from poor diet. He just said because they die young their bone density iş higher.
I tried going Vegan once in my life. It was the worst 12 hours I've ever experienced!!!
"Multi Unsaturated Fatty Acids..." This doc skipped his biochemistry class, that's for sure.
I've gone vegan.....I ain't going back, I feel AMAZING
Okay go debunk Layne Norton's analysis on Game Changers. I'll wait.
I can’t believe people are still comparing our teeth to the teeth of a lion. Give me a break!
don't watch freelee the vegan then...so stupid.
Dr ekberg has some good information. But all high fat! There isn't anything mention about high cholesterol.
Both fake doctors look younger than you mate. Do u have a red filter on the video? Skin looks funky
You make far too many assumptions and flippant statements. If you listen carefully you can hear you are just as bad as the ‘real doctor’.
Ekberg is a common last name in Sweden, it means oak-mountain. There's a lot of last names that are nature derived like Sjökvist (Lake-twig lol) or Berggren (mountain-tree branch) in endless combinations. My family name is Rose thorn-mountain.
Funny thing is his first name "Sten" means rock, or maybe stone is a better translation. So his name is Stone Oak-Mountain 😂
both of your names are funny
Vegans: _It's totally better for the planet & more ethical than a traditional diet!_
Farmers: _you ever see what a thresher does to a groundhog, chipmunk, or any other little furry creature in a field? Didn't think so._
You inspired me to buy a Wuxly coat. I love it so far.