Zoë Harcombe on The Game Changers: Good Story, Unconvincing Argument
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- Zoë Harcombe, Ph.D., concedes The Game Changers tells “a good story,” but that’s as far as the 2019 documentary’s accolades should go, she suggests. In this presentation from Dec. 15, 2019, Harcombe offers an incisive and often humorous critique of the arguments the film makes in favor of a plant-based diet.
The Game Changers bases its support of plant-based eating on three common arguments, Harcombe explains:
1. It’s healthier than non-vegan diets.
2. It’s better for the animals.
3. It’s better for the planet.
Since the majority of the film is devoted to the nutrition argument, Harcombe focuses her attention there as well.
After noting that, despite the movie’s claims, there is a dearth of scientific evidence for going plant-based, Harcombe turns with wry humor to the film’s burrito experiments. The science in these and the movie’s other experiments is deeply flawed, she claims.
One experiment, which follows the Tennessee Titans as they turn to vegan eating, “is a great example that the standard American diet is rubbish,” Harcombe says. She argues any apparent benefits experienced by the athletes were probably attributable to their trading of junk food for whole foods. “Now the whole food just happens to be plant-based,” she notes, but “how good could they have been if their whole food diet had been animal-based?” she asks.
Finally, Harcombe argues the film tries to gloss over the nutritional deficiencies in a vegan diet by suggesting everyone should take supplements, not only those who have gone plant-based. But those who follow a healthy diet of whole foods that include animal products do not need supplements, she claims: “A healthy diet provides the nutrients that we need. A healthy diet does not require supplements. A vegan diet requires supplements. De facto, a vegan diet is not healthy.”
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thanks for beaming down to give this talk, excellent.
And comment of the year goes to...
Thank you for such an entertaining and educational talk ❤❤❤ what a true game changer you are, Dr. Zoe!
Love Zoe. Knowledge with humor and the odd expletive
Zoe, you're brilliant and hilarious. I could listen to this talk every week. Have heard it several times. Thank you so much.
Zoe is the best! Love the way she talks 🥰
Brilliant as always Zoe 👍
Interesting points. Thanks
Great video!
I love this woman!
Also- Arnold used alot of steriods. Important
I guess steroids are vegan.
While on steroids he was a meat eater you idiot . Along with countless surgeries
@@kicknadeadcat hahaha. Exactly. Cause vegans put whatever the hell they found into their bodies, just make sure no animal suffered through out the process
nevertheless, he worked incredibly hard. as a soldier, he removed all the tools from his tank and replaced them with his weight plates. then, after a hard day of being a soldier, he took out his weights at 11 pm and lifted. i cant imagine anyone else working that hard. i certainly couldnt
I guess the point was, who the f cares what Arnie has to say on diet?
Loved the three final questions!. (and using the "mofos" too!!)
What about the omega 3 to 6 ratio? Is that the key?
you can get away with lots of pufa if you also consume a bit of stuff with omega3.
Excess omega3 is also no good, fattens faster than fast foods.. Also care about source of your omega3. you don't fry your omega3 and you don't buy oxidated one...
not many ppl know that frying on pig fat is one healthiest methods if you care about limiting aldehydes created while burning to nearly zero.
nice star trek technician uniform. but she forgot her communicator
I came here to say exactly that! 😀
What part of a tortilla is not a processed food?
That is one healthy looking woman!
You said the whole lot. You put it all in one bucket. I've been trying to tell vegans this for years but thier eyes and ears are closed. I'll refer this film to them, maybe they'll listen to you. Thank you very much.
Veganism is not about the diet. And this video seems misguided on purpose to make people believe a specific thing.
@@Azarilh And what is that specific thing? Veganism is going to destroy the planet, kill the animals off and that is eventually going to kill the plants as well.
@@Azarilh Of course veganism is about the diet. Women think they're saving the planet as well when in fact they're doing it more damage. Only vegans can kill off the animals. It's the way the world is eating now that's locking the animals away instead of putting them in pasture. Eating flour and corn and soy is far worse.
Fabulous talk, as always, Dame Zoe!
Such a great talk, thank you :)
Solid presentation
Great presentation
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I've seen so many debunks of game changers.. They're done.
Game changers were intellectually dishonest and they lied.
Zoe is so funny.
Once of your best talks.
Excellent! 😄
Loved that talk, amazing 😂
I love her!!!
I'm in love with her, she is just gorgeous in every way.
Love her! 💚
Nowadays, there's #4, the financial argument. Meats are getting up there in my area...
Zoe you are good!
Thank you Zoe. More truth from someone who knows.
Spot on!
anyone knows where I can purchase the top she is wearing?
From the merchandise stand at a Star Trek convention. 🙂
The actual one or one like that?
Ain't she AMAZING!!👍🌹
She needs to debate him on Joe Rogan.
That Star Trek uniform is lit, where can I get one? By the way, I agree people are omnivores.
Biologists classify humans as omnivores based on observed behavior of the majority. They make no claims about needed meat dairy and eggs, only that we can digest them. Humans can also digest human flesh. That doesn't mean that we should eat it or any other meat. Actually the majority of humans can not properly digest dairy past weening. Eggs are the densest source of dietary cholesterol of all.
The largest organization of nutrition professionals declared-
"It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."
Link on request.
@@someguy2135 science please......
Cows are also able to digest meat. Does that make them omnivores? Of course not. We are apes, and like all apes, our diet should be plant based maybe mixed with some grubs. Only a very small percentage of chimps eat meat on occasion, that's it. Our physiology never evolved to eating meat for optimal health. One obvious fact is our metabolism functions best on glucose (see Krebs cycle). We need a lot of carbohydrates to produce energy in our mitochondria. The lipid metabolism is not the body's preferred metabolic pathway. The human body always wants to use glucose first, lipids second, and proteins last. Proteins are building blocks, not energy fuel.
Well done zoe
Is she from Starfleet?
Let's hope.😁
Medical Officer.
Traducción please spanish
I especially love the swear words. You’re one of my kind. That’s fucking awesome!
Your smile is healthy Zoe...
You’re the best Zoë ! 👍👍👍
Thanks so much for watching, @carloscecilio7725! Have you watched our CrossFit for Health series? We think you'd like it! th-cam.com/play/PLdWvFCOAvyr14DHNgXgcqvxSvim7WLYo7.html
Great information, thank you! As to the argument of sustaining the earth - industrialized agriculture continues to use pesticides that have, perhaps irrevocably, decimated insect populations! These insects are fundamental to life on earth!
Star Trek uniform
...her famous line "eat foods for the nutrients they provide " I just love her , brilliant mind.
Nice one Zoe!! 😂
Love Zoe. Such a great disrupter with her home truths. The Katy Hopkins of the nutrition world.
Does the b-12 vegans need come from animal sources or is it some gmo vat or is it petrochemicals?
yeasts probably
It's farmed with bacteria.
Clever women and good looking too.
Respect Coach Greg Glassman 🙏
The dog you are walking (an artificial animal) is fed with with the flesh of industrially reared animals.
Joe Rogan should have you on to debunk his podcast on game changers.
I love her talks. I just have one tweak. Monsanto was purchased by Bayer and no longer exists.
... and yet, you can still refer to it as Bayer-Monsanto and there is nothing wrong with it.
I belive Monsanto sold for Sixty five million dollars to Bayer. The poisoning will continue.
There was a meantion of a Joe, whom would cover more around sustainability 16:05 - who is this and where can it be found?
Joel Salatin
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A vegan diet only requires a B12 supplement.. however many people eating meat can also be deficient in B12 if someone’s diet is poorly managed.
Also animals are often fed B12 in their food as many spend most of the time inside and do not therefore receive B12 from the bacteria in soils .. so all vegans are doing are cutting out the middleman which is the animal…
Are you saying people keep sheep and cattle indoors so they don't get B12? By the way, you can't get k2 from a vegan diet or D3 but I don't think they're they only things you're missing. If you're a vegan, you'll find out soon enough. Most vegan doctors have either died off or crawled out of sight now, knowing they were wrong.
Flax has Omega 3. I am a 2 year vegan, 13 year previous vegetarian… I run marathons/half marathons at 56 years old. People think I am 40 years old. I GAINED muscle when I switched to a vegan diet from a vegetarian diet ( with weight lifting included).
I've had the same experience. I was a 'healthy' omnivore and my bloodwork drastically improved in 8 weeks following a change to WFPB. I always exercised but everything became so much easier as I was leaving animal products behind. My total cholesterol dropped from 235 to 180 in 8 weeks (I did before and after blood work just to see for myself), blood pressure came down from 130/90 to 105/60. My naturopath, who does not promote a WFPD said she had never seen anything like it. Cardio exercise is now much easier at 57 than in my 30s and 40s. Strength training is also much easier - without protein powders ;-) . People in my strength training group who are 20 years younger are asking me what I do and that I'm now their goal (I think that's hilarious). Yes, there is always a limit set by genetics, especially our mitochondria capacity so not everyone will (can) win the marathon on this lifestyle but I honestly can say I would never be able to exercise at the level I do now if it wasn't for this diet change.
What were you eating before?
Did you listen to a single thing she said? Enjoy your supplements
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Sorry but nowadays plants have 10% vitamins and minerals, så we have to take supplements
Or eat organs. Idiot.
Her take on Michael Greger suffers from the same problem she purports to be addressing--namely a lack of in-depth study. In fact Greger has much to say on B12, DHA, and most everything in the slide where she tries to argue that the diet he proposes in deficient.
This is what CrossFit needs to be doing. Someone has to spread not the "right" messages, but the truth.
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If you're going to pose a valid counter-argument then back it up with scientific evidence and include those studies with references for everyone to see. Otherwise this is simply yet another "opinion", which everyone has one of those.
pepper2782 actually, she goes about debunking the film quite methodically and “scientifically” if you will. Not everything has to be backed by peer-reviewed studies, and not all “science” must be done in a lab. Experience and critical thinking can go a long way in debunking bad science, such as Game Changers
@@spencergsmith I guess I will not. Now I'm not a vegan, but I do focus on plant-based whole foods and I actually understand research and evidence........Actually, there is nothing "methodical" to her video, it's a straight-up bias bashing just because she disagrees. I suppose some people like yourself don't need a reason. I guess whatever works for ya...... but the research is out there and it's pretty clear when it comes to performance & health. th-cam.com/video/2OWtWk6rWoI/w-d-xo.html
@@sureshot1109 I am also "plant-based" in that the majority of my diet consists of plants, but I also eat a good amount of meat and animal products (eggs and greek yogurt primarily). She makes a very good point that "plant-based" could include a broad range of diets, so for Game Changers to imply that veganism is the healthiest option is disingenuous. She is quite methodical in her presentation, she goes step-by-step through the film's logic and rebuts them one-by-one. And just because she didn't say it in this video doesn't mean there isn't plenty of research to support what she is saying. You CAN eat a vegan or vegetarian diet and be healthy, but it is MUCH more difficult to eat the appropriate nutrients in the appropriate amounts, so her point about supplementing is fairly accurate. Animal proteins are more efficient, especially for athletes. Someone wants to be vegan or vegetarian? Be my guest. I don't dissuade anyone from doing it. But I'll vehemently argue if they say it's the healthiest diet. It's simply not true.
@@spencergsmith She rebuts sure but without evidence to back up her claims. At no point am I claiming you cannot be generally healthy eating plant-based with some animal products. But your stance that supplementation is "required" is just not accurate, perhaps "fairly" accurate depending on what you mean by that or imply this said person's variety of diet consists of. I've provided the sources and if you don't want to review, cool, no one is forcing you.
@@sureshot1109 She has a PhD in public health nutrition, and she goes through the claims of the documentary and talks about why many of them are not supported by overall evidence. Yeah, she could've put forth more evidence in this speech, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and she doesn't have to spoonfeed it to us for it to be accurate. The entire point of this is that Game Changers is mostly poor science backed by someone who has a conflict of interest. And as I said, you can eat a vegan diet without supplementation, but it is much more difficult to obtain all the proper nutrients you would need.
Zoe looks like Dr Sarah Hallberg, who advocated the same diet and died of cancer in her forties.
The water wouldn't be needed to feed the animals if they were on the land instead of in those bloody cages and boxes. It's the feed that costs so much in water not the animals. If you can graze them they don't need the feed.
There is not sufficient grazing lands to sustain animal grown for food, period. And there are so many wild animal casualties by ranchers (wolves, coyotes, any predators, really!). Let the grazing lands go back to wild grazers. Growing plant foods is much more sustainable and reduces the farming footprint.
@@VBarry-jj5op Do you have any idea how many millions of acres are down to corn, wheat, grain for oil? BILLIONS OF SQUARE MILES. Not to mention the soy. This has all eventurated in just fifty years. Most of our soil all over the world is washing into the oceans. It can't continue.
@@antoinetteparry7667 Over 80% of the crops you mention are grown to feed animals for food. Oil is a by-product of that and vegetable oils, aside from flaxseed oil, are not healthy. People eating a healthy, whole foods plant exclusive diet don't consume these oils or the processed products they are used in.
@@VBarry-jj5opThere is plenty of sufficient grazing land. People have got far used to growing oil and corn and sugar and wheat instead of good grass for grazing. People prefer to eat bread with margarine instead of butter. This is where things go wrong. There are now about twelve fake milks growing, on grazing land. Milk should come out of a nipple.
@@toni4729Cow's milk is meant for calf's. It's meant to spur their growth rate very quickly over a matter of months. Humans should not be drinking cow milk. Human milk is for humans during their weaning phase only.
But I know most everybody knows this. I'm just reiterating.
Arnold was taking steroids you missed that out.
Zoe, how many meat based centenarians can you come up with?
There are no vegan centenarians. THAT IS A FACT.
First of all, they don't use the term vegan because it would be incorrect to do so. They are talking about how a plant based diet can improve your health and therefore improve athletic ability. There are aggressive, unfriendly people in the world and some of them are vegans but vegansim is not a diet so please put forth a little effort so you're not spreading false information. Veganism is a lifestyle that relies on a plant based diet. A vegan eats a plant based diet but someone who eats a plant based diet isn't necessarily a vegan. A true vegan knows the difference but you can easily look it up. Some people get upset when their lifestyle is publicly criticized by someone who speaks their opinion as though its based on fact and can be scientifically proven. That's my feedback regarding just the first 2 minutes of your video. I can't talk shit though so go ahead and run your game because I guess you gotta do what you gotta do. I just wish you would have more consideration for your listeners. Citations are considered important when making the kind of statements that you are and I believe you're taking advantage of people who are desparate and don't realize how to verify information being offered.
@NOTREALLY HANKAARON What would make you think I'm a man? Do I look like a man? What does it matter, anyway?
@NOTREALLY HANKAARON You think I kind of look like a man? I can't begin to understand why that it is but you are entitled to your opinion. I notice that your account is pretty new and you have no content or anything personal so I have no idea who you are. Are you trolling me or is there a point to your comment? I disagree with you because I don't believe everything matters.
@NOTREALLY HANKAARON If I'm a man? Of course, I'm not a man. I have a video on my youtube channel and pictures that show who I am. I think she's 55
@NOTREALLY HANKAARON Are you hoping to trigger an emotion from me with your comment? I don't need to be reminded that most people don't give a shit about animals. I think about it all the time and it saddens me immensely; That sadness has become a part of me. So, don't think that you're hurting me with your comments because all you're actually doing is mocking the pain and suffering of innocent animals that were enslaved, raped and eventually murdered so that you could derive some kind of satisfaction for the few minutes it took you to consume their flesh.
@NOTREALLY HANKAARON It just occurred to me that you're doing all this on Chirstmas eve... lmao, like, what a dick! Don't think that was lost on me, I can totally appreciate that. Now, THAT is funny! or rather lol
Okay so you got all these people debunking the game changers and I personally am not vegan but I don't eat red meat. Anyone who has watched the Joe Rogan podcast with James Wilkes has heard his argument. And I must say it's a good one. I don't think he argued every point successfully but overall it was a good argument. At this point anyone who wants to debunk the movie should ho head-to-head with Mr Wilks.
Both The Game Changers and James Wilks has been debunked completely.
try this as a starting point. wilks like all the vegan propagandists has perfected the art of superficial arguments. peterattiamd.com/the-red-meat-and-plant-based-recommendation-wars/
wilk's opponent on rogan was pathetic and intimidated by wilks such that he couldn't think straight. that's why wilks continued to make it personal so he could intimidate. it's a classic fighting trick. people don't think straight under stress. check this debunking of wilk's propaganda movie: th-cam.com/video/jClsLOuQ2DE/w-d-xo.html
you don't eat red meat? why? I hope it's not because you think it's unhealthy. that would mean you've been a victim of the marketing and propaganda. check this debunking of the 'political' statements from WHO on meat and carcinogens; www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
@Fativore Lifestyle
Now that made me lol, fucking hard!
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Problem is that James Wilkes was not trying to educate and or provide us with a healthy and sustainable eating strategy, but that he was trying to win an argument. Logic and truth be damned.
1. The important take away from the study is how little meat was eaten by the 7th-day Adventists that was significant and important for quotation. Not whether the paper used vegetarian correctly. The studies are relevant.
2. Yes, carbohydrates fatten you up. If you eat too many, because excess calories fatten you up. Which is actually easier to do with fat as it is more calorie dense than protein or carbs. Meat triggers higher IGF-1 and contributes to insulin resistance. Both which contribute to weight gain...
I didn't watch any further in the video after that.
Now, I never watch "Titanic" but, unless I'm setiously mistaken Zoe, you're saying that it was all vegan.
Well I've seen a GENUINE TITANIC MENU and it was anything but vegan. All the meals had meat in them. They were fabulous and on line for anyone to see.
Hi Toni, seriously mistaken I'm afraid she said James Cameron inversted millions (106 I think) in pea protein). I did not notice anything bout the film being vegan
@@johnhomerstone5497 OK, She was talking about another movie and it was 140 million he invested in pea protein. I didn't waste my time watching either movie, I only saw the original menu from the titanic.
@@toni4729 You're not very smart, are you?
@@toni4729 James Cameron produced The Game Changers, the movie / "documentary" that is being discussed in this talk. The movie promotes vegan diets conveniently after Cameron has invested in vegan supplements.
I disagree with the statement that a diet requiring supplements is not healthy and I believe that it makes sense to not buy any mass-produced meat, eggs, fish and milk. However I'm unsure about the necessity of Retinol and Heme Iron. The current meat consumption is not is not sustainable, nevertheless not everyone should go vegan, rather it is important to reduce total consumption of animal products by a substantial amount
why? not for health for sure. the healthiest and longest lived large populations eat the most animal products (Japan and Hong Kong). for environment, all methods need to change from mono cropping for vegan's beloved soy oil for their junk food to cattle factory farming practices. surely it's not beyond the wit of man to introduce better farming practices. for example we are seeing farms that are sustaining 2 or more times cows as factory farms for the same or less area. and they are zero or net negative c02. put money into this kind of this on a large scale and we'll get to a more sustainable food culture. veganism is a distraction.
@@gazlives _"the healthiest and longest lived large populations eat the most animal products"_
Not only Japan doesn't eat that much meat, and they have high standards with hygene. ( correlation not causation ) But i can play your game and say that the country that eats the most meat ( USA ) also is one of the least healthy 1st world countries on the world ( high heart diseases, diabetes, obesity... ).
And for your information, the evidence shows the opposite of what you said. If you look up blue zones, those are zones where people live longer, and statistics show that they eat less meat, not more.
@@Azarilh blue zones irrelevant, only large population indicate what's possible not outliers, fact is japan eats more animal product than most disease ridden western countries. US eats a lot of processed food which has lots of junk filler. it's usually the vegans that like to use correlation as causation when it comes to the useless food survey data. my point is that they can't make claims about veg only diets being better when the longest lived population has a large amount of animal consumption. if you want to claim far less consumption of meat is needed then you need to prove it not assert it.
if hygiene is the cause of japanese longer life 'despite' their meat/fish diet, prove that.
for now what we know is japan eats a high animal food diet and is the longest lived nation.
@@gazlives Bruh
You are the one that claimed that eating meat make you live longer. Claims without proof can be dismissed without proof.
@@Azarilh i made no such claim. actually
All the nonsense of the game changer movie you can currently read in German newspapers. It's frustrating. People believe that.
I heard "It's more nutrient dense and therefore more efficient to eat meat". They spend their entire lives eating plants, of course their bodies have taken in those nutrients.
I don't think industrial farming is good either, and we should switch to local farming where possible - this would result in fewer (if any) deaths of the field mice or bunnies when harvesting and better the economy of plant-based foods that are in high demand
You do indeed have to eat more vegetables to get the same amount of calories, big deal!
The animals get high amounts of B12 from the soil they ingest along with the plants.
We wash soil from the plants we eat because we live in a "clean" society and don't get enough B12 because of that. Eat dirt if you want, most people would tell you to take a B12 supplement. Eating animals isn't the right answer though. Nice video though!
They get a lot of nutrition from plants since their stomach / gut supports such lifestyle, humans' doesn't (we have neither the "multiple stomachs" nor the long gut required).
Being Vegan I have to agree with her...the movie has many faults! It doesn't help the Vegan cause! Being Vegan comes down to a simple choice! No one should beeing making wild claims about it... Like I said it's simply a choice
Have you listened to Sally K. Norton talk about the dangers of oxalates in plants?
@@michaeljmccurdy9449 don't think there's a reason to be worried! If you have a healthy gut there's no reason to avoid those plants because they are extremely rich in other nutrients and antioxidants!
@@michaeljmccurdy9449 Its the payment for making a choice of living a life that does as little harm to other living creatures as possible.
But thinking that vegan diet is healthy or even better than an omnivore diet is just pure self-delusion.
@@beyondtraining_ on average, the human body can only handle about 150mg of oxalates a day and just two cups of loose-leaf spinach is over 400. Vegan diets overwhelm the body with oxalates, in general. And plants have anti-nutrients in them that prevent you from absorbing the nutrients in them; what's on paper, in terms of nutrient content, does not translate into bioavailability. You should really listen to a few talks from Sally Norton and maybe from "EONutrition" here on YT. He has good talks on oxalates and anti-nutrients.
We don't need to consume antioxidants. The body does that on its own. Bart Kay has talked about the exact science of that a few times.
@@vandannski what's sad is, vegans think their eating habits are somehow more ethical than carnivores when in fact, they are contributing to the raping and pillaging of the Earth. Monocropping decimates the ecosystem, depleting the soil and killing untold numbers of bees, other insects, all kinds of little critters, rodents, and other animals. It's a total bloodbath of a system. And it requires an incredible amount of fossil fuels to farm, process, transport and package all those fruits and vegetables.
Adaptive, multi-paddock, rotational grazing is WAY better for the environment as it restores soil to the way it was hundreds of years ago. It allows all the little critters to thrive which attracts birds and so forth. The factory farming needs to go though...
1000 hours of study - maybe he’s a slow reader because he’s a bit thick?
James Cameron wants to sink humanity this time? Haha
The more vegans there are, there more animals are going to suffer.
The production of soy has gone up tenfold in the past decade and so has veganism.
You can't blame this on the animals being locked up and fed this rubbish. The animals are not to blame.
Summary
Failed vegan makes excuses.
Sigh 🙄 if you say so
She changed after the research in nutrition showed her a better way to eat. I started having medical issues eating vegetarian. Adding meat and liver took care of my issues.
@@bitemeqwertyuiop5691 Oh come on! Let's debate about the issue.
@@dort5436 What you said would make sense if there were only one way to eat vegetarian (or vegan.) A meat based diet has it's own challenges and drawbacks. Vegans have lower rates of cardiovascular disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, obesity, and multiple types of cancer.
A healthy Fat based diet with a little quality meats, and above ground vegetables. 70% fat.
"Most gladiators were slaves. They were subjected to a rigorous training, fed on a high-energy diet, and given expert medical attention. Hence they were an expensive investment, not to be despatched lightly.Feb 17, 2011
History - Ancient History in depth: Gladiators: Heroes of ... - BBC"
Did you do any research?
I'm sorry, I was watching your video because someone mentioned you but this is a waste of time, it's just one falsehood after another and it's already exhausting trying to keep up with all your misinformation. I didn't come here to debunk you as many already have. Good luck
Nothing you said contradicts what she said, though?
(Also, watching TV isn't really doing research. TV programs are entertainment. They're under no obligation to be accurate. When you go to attack someone for not researching a topic, it looks better if you have.)
@@itzakpoelzig330 To whom are you responding because your comments appears as though you are responding to yourself? My response is that I became vegetarian over 30 years ago when I was 15 and then later, I became vegan but during all this time, I have kept up to date with all the information relating to a plant based diet vs an animal based diet. To assume that the extent of my research relies upon watching tv is a gross misconception on your part. You don't know who I am or what kind of research I've done but it just occurred to me that you are trolling and trying to upset me, otherwise, your comments would have had more to offer than just what could be said to upset me.. lol, Your account here is void of any info and it's not that old.
@@joannietrotter2344 It was just the first search result but feel free to look it up yourself. If you want to get support, argue that what people want is what is good for them, that was an easy one. And you don't just become vegan and then stop. Vegan is a way of life and you don't just quit unless you have also lost all love for animals. If Game Changers was about the love of animals, they would refer to veganism but it's about health so they call it plant based. All vegans eat plant based but not everyone who eats plant based is vegan.
@@joannietrotter2344 Actually, I just read a lot about her and I no longer feel the need to correct anything she says because she is well known for promoting information that can't be scientifically proven and she denies the climate problem, she denies that cholesterol is unhealthy, and a multitude of other things makes her totally unreliable so never mind, I'm done.
I feel like the overall takeaways should be. You don’t have to cut meat out entirely, but you should definitely eat A LOT LESS MEAT. Most people in general eat too much meat in my opinion and should eat more veggies no matter what their “diet” is
www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
Wrong takeaway.
Well, your opinion is idiotic.
I can't get behind either side of this argument at all. Ask 500 "experts" and your gonna get 350 biased opinions minimum. Eat how you want to eat people! If your worried, go get some bloodwork done and figure out what's missing. It's that simple. I'm an avid crossfit athlete and love strength training or (body building) I'm also a professional IndyCar pitcrew member so I take my health, diet and my athletic training very seriously. I'm also a vegetarian, its been about 5 months now. I'm healthier then I've ever been according to bloodwork, my PRs and my previously logged workouts have all been bestest time and time again and I feel great. That's the best gauge we all have in my opinion, how you feel. Nobody else can feel how you feel, you all know your body's better then anything or anyone. So please, think for yourselves and stop taking everything you read or see on the internet as the end all be all fact. Do what works for you, cause everyone is different. There is no 1 magical way.
Complete nonsense. People like you have no idea what they are talking about. We are all the same species and we all need the same things to thrive. You also say that you have been vegetarian for 5 months, right ? Hilarious. Do you know that veganism, vegetarianism and plant based eating / lifestyle is an ideological belief system that is not ground either in reality or science ? Also, short term results does not mean long term health. People like you are clueless and you are only harming yourself in the long term.
@@mello.b3373 I do agree that we are all the same species, but you can see it every day how different we are. Some people have amazing mobility, some dont. Some heal fast from injuries and or illness, others dont. The list goes on and on. My point is simple, and I stated before. Ask 500 experts and your gonna get a shit ton of different answers from these people. Answers that they believe are right and there gonna do everything they can to defend there beliefs. And that's totally normal, you just displayed it with your comment. I mean look at it this way, Take Frasier and Froning. Arguably the 2 best crossfit champs in history, they eat a clean diet of meats, dairy, vegetables and they supplement. As do millions of folks. Then on the other side of the spectrum, you have Lewis Hamilton, 6x formula 1world champion, a vegan. That guy is fit as hell compared to 90% of the population and healthy as hell. This list goes on an on as well. So what's right? Are you a doctor? Do you have all the answers? I highly doubt it. I'll I'm saying is think for yourselves and do what makes you feel good, that's it. 😁 thanks for the laugh this morning hahaha
@@mello.b3373 I also dont believe, nor did I ever state that short term health means my long term health will be a good or bad thing, so stop acting like a millennial. Your trying to puff up your feathers be defending that your ideology (to use your terms) is totally right. Your comments and arguments are hypocritical and hilariously uneducated. Being an keyboard cowboy dosen't impress anyone
@@davidlehman4177 *"but you can see it every day how different we are."* - we are not different when it comes to physiology and biochemistry.
"Some heal fast from injuries and or illness, others dont."* - it is called nutritional deficiencies.
*"Ask 500 experts and your gonna get a shit ton of different answers from these people."* - you don't need to ask anyone what humans should be eating, it should be obvious to everyone. Follow logic and look at the reality and science and you will know the answer what is a species specific diet for homo sapiens. It is not vegan, vegetarian nor plant based lifestyle.
*"Then on the other side of the spectrum, you have Lewis Hamilton, 6x formula 1world champion, a vegan. That guy is fit as hell compared to 90% of the population and healthy as hell."* - your logic and reasoning is very very poor. You also have zero understanding about what human body needs, and zero understanding about human biochemistry. Your examples are trash and you are not even aware of that.
*"I'll I'm saying is think for yourselves and do what makes you feel good, that's it."* - sugar, twinkies and meth also feels good, so do what makes you feel good, that's it. Nice logic there buddy.
*"I also dont believe, nor did I ever state that short term health means my long term health will be a good or bad thing, so stop acting like a millennial.*" - you base your opinions on short term results, propaganda and pseudoscience, and you are not even aware of that. It takes years or even decades to develop diseases, get nutritional deficiencies etc.
*"Your trying to puff up your feathers be defending that your ideology (to use your terms) is totally right."* - my views are not based on ideology, they are based on science and reality. You are the one who is following an ideological belief system, because *it feels good RIGHT NOW*. This is nothing more but a lunacy.
*"Your comments and arguments are hypocritical and hilariously uneducated. Being an keyboard cowboy dosen't impress anyone"* - you are obviously illogical and irrational and you are not even aware of that. It is very sad interacting with people like yourself.
@@mello.b3373 you bet your sweet ass it is. Hilarious sir. I guess I didnt know I was speaking with a doctor with multiple degrees in multiple fields of the human body hahahaha. This makes me smile.
Ok but my question would be: so what?
Animals don't deserve to be exploited like slaves and sluaghtered just so you can eat a sandwich.
Is eating animal flesh healthy? Unhealthy? It doesn't matter. It's the animal's life that matter. And you take it away forever when you consume animal products.
Think.
What is more important?
Your selfish sensory pleasure for 5 minutes- or the entire life of an animal?
Did expect more from CrossFit(R) ... will put my subscription elsewhere.
Like what? Is nutrition not important to you...
Is the truth not worth subscribing too?
I was expecting a much better de bunking than this. What a bunch of non sense and straw mans.
Tanner R
She had twenty minutes. Look her many videos for in-depth analysis of nutrients.
Straw man? You appear to have taken Game Changers seriously enough to think it requires more than a cursory brush off.
Look into her website dude, she has done decades of collecting data and sifting thru it so you don't have to. She has extensive research on the research to show you the light brother/sister. 😉
You want more, look there. The girl is the queen of data collecting and analyzing.
Soyboi alert
@@clarenceboddiker9559 How mature, highlighted as well. So much for credibility.
Her counter arguments have all been debunked. Implying she is being dishonest, or doesn't understand the science (certainly not enough to be considered an authority on the subject). I'll stick with the well respected people in the field of nutrition, who have no conflicts of interest.
@@tannerr8493
Lol... Gullible soyboi. You weirdos are so uneducated it's laughable
This video is so wrong on all accounts. Never assume. Plant-based and vegan are not the same thing. The idea of Game Changers is to show you can thrive on a plant based diet. Maybe she should watch Cowspiracy, What The Health and Forks Over Knives. Everything changes when you realize your diet isn’t what you eat.
*"Plant-based and vegan are not the same thing."* - you are a moron and you can't see that you are being manipulated. They are using "plant-based" term only to not sound radical. But make no mistake, veganism is an ultimate goal for all these lunatics.
*"The idea of Game Changers is to show you can thrive on a plant based diet."* - and they have failed miserably, as this movie has been debunked by many different people. Also, you can't thrive on a plant based diet, this is nothing more but a lunacy.
*"Maybe she should watch Cowspiracy, What The Health and Forks Over Knives."* - all debunked and exposed as propaganda filled with lies, misinformation and pseudoscience.
*"Everything changes when you realize your diet isn’t what you eat."* - brain fart or just more delusions and lunacy ?
Jeffrey Schneider Dictionary definition of the word 'diet', noun.
1: The kinds of food that a person, animal or community habitually eats.
2: A special course of food to which a person restricts themselves, either to lose weight or for medical reasons.
A vegan diet is totally plant based. Your post is contradictory and frankly stupid.
these movies are designed for gullible people. consider yourself a victim. when you see one try looking at the debunks. do this for most things if you have time. you will reduce your gullibility.
Irene Ewens Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose. It is not a diet, it is an ethical choice. Whole Foods Plant Based is a diet consisting mostly or entirely of foods derived from plants, including vegetables, grains, nuts, seeds, legumes and fruits, no processed food and with few or no animal products.
GB You should watch Earthlings.
She's trying hard to justify the killing of animals. 🙈
By the way, you can still keep cows, sheep, goats, pigs and chicken as pets or to rejuvenate topsoil. Just don't murder them. ♥️🌱🖖
Not exactly. There is indeed nothing harder than science, but her focus is advocating for your brain and health. I understand it may be difficult to understand depending on one eats.
You have been brainwashed. Congratulations. There is nothing wrong with killing animals for food and at the same time killing animals for food does not require any justification. Pain, death, torture, suffering is part of life and reality you live in, so you should just deal with it. The reason why humans need to kill and eat animals is based on biology and specifically human physiology and biochemistry. It has nothing to do with morals, ethics and other nonsense. We know for a fact that the highest quality and most nutrient dense foods for humans on this planet come directly from animals, not plants.
*"By the way, you can still keep cows, sheep, goats, pigs and chicken as pets or to rejuvenate topsoil."* - delusion and mental illness. We selectively apply context and value to everything and everyone we see around us and everything we do on a daily basis. The fundamental part of our world, the reality we find ourselves in, is the fact that different species present a different value and serve as different utility to other species. Reality and real life revolves around oppression and exploitation of living organisms. All life eats other life. You cannot escape this reality. In order to survive, YOU as a living creature MUST consume other LIVING creatures. Plants or animals - doesn't make a difference. Vegans essentially see the world as some fairy tale and they think that reality we live in should be something like from Disney movie.
*"Just don't murder them."* - and maybe you should stop murdering plants then ? They are also living beings and they want to live you know ? You are talking a complete nonsense and you present a science and reality denialism.
@@mello.b3373 wow, vegan bullshit bingo in full effect 😆 you say it doesn't make a difference if you kill animals or plants: you are fooling yourself. Of course it makes a difference. Give a child an apple and a bunny. What do you think it will eat and with what will it cuddle and play? You know the answer. It's a learned behaviour to kill animals and it had its purpose but not anymore. Evolution, baby!
If you're concerned about the wellbeing of plants, that would be another good reason not to eat animals because we feed them with guess what: plants.
Your reality is just a concept that you don't want to get out of, so you defend it, I get it. I'm vegan for a couple of years now and I'm lacking nothing at all, in contrary, I'm thriving on this plant based wholefood diet. Harming as little other animals as possible and yes, other animals eat animals but I have the choice and my choice is to be compassionate. This probably triggers your emotionally and you have to justify your behaviour.
Try vegan for 21 days, I challenge you. Only good things will happen to you, I promise 😘
Your whole worldview is a lie. I dare you to search for wild hog hunters. Farmers all over the world hire them to "murder" hogs to protect your precious plants. Theres videos where they literally lure them into cages to blow them up.
@@angryahole what has that to do with if I want to eat animals or not? Right, nothing. In other areas of the world, where they have problems with overpopulation of certain animals, they feed them bait with anti baby pills. Also a way of dealing with that "problem".
I know that harvesting plant based food will also kill some animals but never intentionally and never in that scale as the mass production does.
I just lost all respect for this channel ...
facts really do hurt feelings I know.
Where’s your beef?
What did you expect, some muscle ups? Open your mind...
Vegan loon alert
Can't take a laugh. No sense of humor? 😅
As a Vegetarian I did not enjoy your talk... I am a tolerant person and would not want to "convert" anybody to stop eating meat , so it is really strange to me that somebody , like Zoe ridicules other diets which are not her own ...for me this is lack of self confidence ... if you are so sure you are eating the right thing ,be happy! And let others , who want to live without animal flesh also be happy ! I am 65, never had any deficiency of nutrients and happy ...also happy with my diet .... I wish you the same!
If she see harm actively being done to people thru these diets, I can see why she would be passionate about educating people on the truth.
@@estherruth4692 Please, you tell me what is the TRUTH???? Do you think a meaty diet is the solution? If you think vegetarism is harmful .... 2/3 of the worlds population would proof you wrong ... also the anatomy of our digestion system would proof you wrong ... on the other hand I know many meat eaters who got lots of avoidable diseases at a very young age ....so what is the TRUTH... please , I am curious ...
@@kasardevi8 2/3 of the world’s population is also metabolically diseased. Very high levels of visceral fat, Type 2 diabetes, low average life expectancy, etc etc. Look at the study of the Maasai vs the Kikuyu tribes in Kenya. Almost exclusively meat eaters vs almost exclusively plant eaters. They interbred and lived nearby, so their genetics were similar. The meat eating tribe were on average 6 inches taller, 20 pounds heavier, and had stronger grip strength than the plant eating tribe. The meat eating tribe also had beautiful straight white teeth compared to the plant eating tribe with crooked teeth and dental caries.
And let’s talk about agriculture. Plant-based agriculture is destroying the soil and the planet. It’s stripping the land bare and destroying the habitats of millions of animals; it’s also killing millions and millions of animals directly. Regenerative animal agriculture on the other hand restores the soil naturally and is a beautiful cycle of life that gives animals meaning, purpose, and a beautiful worry-free life. It utilizes rocky land that could never be used for plant agriculture.
So if I’m going to choose the compassionate route that nourishes my body and helps conserve our beautiful planet, I’m going to eat lots and lots of meat.
@@estherruth4692 Your choice ,please go ahead!You desreve to feel good ! Have you convinced me ? No! Not at all! I work in the field of regenerative agriculture since more than 30 years ...therefore I cant agree with your theories how plant based diets destroy agriculture! Biggest problem in regenerative agriculture is the mass mono cultivation of plants like soy, maize which are used as animal feed... if you say 2/3 of the population is metabolically ill, I agree with you in the Western world. I lived nearly all my life in India, where 2/3 of population is still metabolically fit , as in most parts of Asia ... only the rich population, who can afford to overeat, or go for a more westernised diet, are getting fat....If I say westernised diet, I do not mean a healthy western diet, but all the western junk food which comes to these countries and is a kind of trending thing ...Generally I feel it is not so much what we eat...meat or plant based ... but the quantity we eat ... my experience
Don't you just love her!🐄🐃🐂🦬I sure do.