Revisiting the updated ATR 72 600 with a quick flight in Microsoft Flight Simulator
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 พ.ค. 2023
- A fun flight from Helena to Big Creek in the ATR 72 600 following it's update - primarily to see any direct impact from the changes. The first take-away? It's turning into a wonderful aircraft. Obviously I hardly scratch the surface in this video - but you'll start to get some idea of the level of modelling and fidelity present.
I'm still learning the ATR - and still a little "at sea" with it's operation. I have a lot to learn around managing the engines properly, for example. Also - there was some strangeness around missing airfields in the MCDU - I need to look into that.
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I flew on one of these in real life yesterday (from Naxos to Athens) absolutely loved it! Got home from holiday today and immediately downloaded it. The deceleration is realistic. I was thrown forward in my seat when we landed at LGAV
Liked watching.
I have a couple of friends who fly AT76 for Air New Zealand.
They've told me normal climb speed is 170kts.
It's an ATR figure not the airlines.
Probes are turned on early in cockpit prep.
Also when Hotel mode is used the Wing lights are switched on to warn ground crew. 19:43
Excellent Jon ! Just upgraded mine and about to check what’s new and improved
Apart from being very informative, yout vids are a pleasure to watch. Your commentry is like having a buddy inthe room. Thanks
Cheers :)
I'm updating my ATR now. In the meantime I'll watch this so I'll know what to expect😁
I just did my first flight in the updated ATR. It is way better and the RNAV works flawlessly. Great update!
Try entering an airfield with a number in it's ICAO code into the MCDU :)
thanks for the update and video...
Impressive landing!
I like the plane & nice job on a difficult approach. Slainte 😉👍
Impossible landing! Great video, thanks!
You're welcome :)
In my opinion they are doing a great job on this plane. Especially for the price you can get it.
Agreed! Great fun.
The discount on the ATR ended today. It was ok for £10 but certainly would not have paid nearly £17 for it as it is now. I felt it just didn’t feel like a turboprop, despite the high wings it felt more like flying a low wing jet plane. Yes the avionics are ok and it looks reasonably realistic. It was ok for the special offer price but I’d not have paid the full price it’s not worth it. If I run short on memory it’s one I’d consider removing from my hard drive. They should have made a Dash 8 q400 instead. Now that would have been awesome!
@@ELPaso1990TX This aircraft isnt even close to being up to release standard.
even my aircraft started moving forward after releasing breaks, i had to push back on feather and then move it to auto
I can't believe how well you landed the ATR on that runway. Very fun to watch. I'm still not sure how the VNAV works when coming down from cruise to approach altitudes.
I should really have put it on the ground earlier.
nice one Jon
ahhh Captain Beckett in the ATR hmmmm another Spot on Video Thank You
You're welcome :)
I'm looking forward to see this plane working correctly. Already found two different ways to block the plane (making it non responsive), just by entering manually flights on the FMS.
There's a very particular way of programming the MCDU for airways - I'll do a video on it soon. Other than that, yes, they need to work more on it :) I can't imagine how difficult it is to program something like this - and I'm a professional software developer :)
In the efb performance page you can set the trim there based on weights etc
Good to know!
One of the few changes I saw was on the MCDU that when you finished PERF INIT, it didn't make you back up to the top menu before going to FPLAN INIT.
Yep - the MCDU has changed quite a bit. Also - you can put airways in, but you still need to be careful about exactly how you do it.
Good morning Jonathon, thanks for this updated flight. Could I ask where you got the aircraft profile for little nave map I can't seem to find a reliable ! Many thanks
I didn't :) I probably borroed the King Air for the moment - it's pretty straightforward to make performance files though - perhaps I should look into doing that, and sharing them with the community :)
Did you know the Asobo ATR has a synthetic vision system? Also during your start of engine 1 you turned off the boost pump and never turned it back on.
Yep - it's an interesting one - depending on the sequence, it disables itself - I'm going to do a video on the specific sequence of operations - what affects what, and why.
I revisited the ATR after not touching it much after my initial flights from release. I do quite like it now after not thinking much of it at the time. I did encounter a weird issue where a prop animation wasn't working but to the best of my knowledge everything appeared to be working correctly and performance was as expected. Other flights I haven't encounter this issue so guess a bug of somekind maybe.
Would love to see you fly Qantaslinks milk run route in the ATR. Usually flown with DHC-8. YBBN (Brisbane) / YBRK (Rockhampton) / YBMK (Mackay) / YBTL (Townsville) / YBCS (Cairns) or vice versa.
That sounds like fun.
Is the plane able to accept flight plans made from the MSFS World Map like default planes or is it still manual input only??
I think you have to program them - which is common for all the realistic aircraft in the sim.
One thing I don’t understand is how you were able to start engine 1 without the fuel pump, and how it was running without it on. You can see at around 15:10 the display shows no fuel flow to engine 1 but it was running?
A real-world pilot got back to me on it. They are boost pumps. They will run absolutely fine without them on.
@@jonbeckett did he/she say what the normal operating procedure is for the pumps? When would you normally have them on?
@@jeremyc311709 Refer to the POH. The important thing here though is that the engine will pump fuel with it's internal pump.
Massive props (see what I did there?) for getting the ATR into U60. I found it hard enough landing a C172 there. The beta is insane. I wonder if it's realistic.
I somehow doubt it - but without a real pilot to confirm, we'll never know :)
5:56 There's a bug in the ATR's MCDU where you get a "format error" when trying to enter any airport with a number in it's code.
I thought it might be a bug - didn't want to say just yet :)
Aha! Thank you. I had the same problem yesterday. Good to know. 👍
What camera are you using to move about the cockpit?
Just keys, and then the mouse, and cursor keys.
Is there as reason the 2-4 screens at startup show big green "T". Just curious, seems odd- like there must be a reason
No idea :)
Test
The ATR may not be the most powerful plane but that girl decel better than any plane I’ve seen
Yeah - not sure how realistic that is :)
Jon..check out BGGH...Nuuk International Airport...fun area..in all kinds of weather. Serviced by alot of DASH 7's and 8's. You will enjoy it.
Thank you for the tip! :)
There seems to be a bug where you push the Generator #1 ON and it shows OFF. :)
I'm going to do a video about it - I think there might be a bug in there somewhere.
There’s a bug in the sim where all controller inputs stop working when using the mouse middle click to look around. That’s why your toe brakes stopped working at the start.
That's a fuckin bug!? So annoying, thought it was by design though.
Erm - I'm not using the middle mouse click to look around - I'm holding the right mouse button down. And yes - while holding the mouse button down, joystick commands don't work.
I understand why people like to input the flight plan, but in all honesty and as in real life just getting the flight plan from ACARS is so much safer and is becoming the standard now.
In the case of the ATR you can now Import from simbrief and they have updated the simbrief downloader to work with the ATR so no need to mess around with the flight plan trying to use the Aerosoft CRJ version.
I know not everyone has simbrief but honestly it is one of the best investments you can make if you want to fly these "Expert planes" The ATR FMS and the NAVDATA itself is still buggy, and thats why in the video there was a missing waypoint, with a simbrief sub this wont happen as the simbrief NavData overrides the NavBlu data as far as I know and it all just works, the way it should.
It would be good to get some feedback from current pilots on this - about how much their company gives them, versus how much they have to finish off by hand. I'm willing to bet company routes are on the bare bones - the airways and intersections. The SID, STAR, initial climb, weights, performance data, and so on would be too variable. Dispatch would give them the final details over the radio, if not in the OFP they carry to the aircraft.
@@jonbeckett yes of course not all of it is given by ACARS, But punching in all the way points is error prone and a time waste especially on 45 min turnarounds. It is very common in the USA, with the pilots finishing up the routing and weights etc That's why I specifically said flight plan, meaning the route.
Although I have heard some carriers actually do it all, and then adjustments are made via the load sheets.
So the fuel pump is just for show (for now)?
It depends. I need to have a read. If it's a fuel BOOST pump, then it's absolutely normal that it would operate without it.
@@jonbeckett From doing some more research I found that you are right. It is an automatic boost pump (that does its own thing when on). Under normal operating, it is always on (from just before engine start to engine shut off). It also regulates the fuel cross over.. Thanks for your videos btw, they are great! :-)
tried it yesterday the IAS speed bugged for some reason during the climb phase and was stuck. Has anyone had the same problem?
I've seen a few bugs - no doubt there will be another update soon :)
The IAS bug is changing in sync with the PWR switch giving the guidance for the three phases of flight.
Excellent explanation of everything, I ask you HOW to slow down the taxi since at least it comes out like a runaway horse !!! it exceeds the 10 or 15 KNOTS allowed to roll... I think that was not corrected in the update...
Slowing down is done by reversing the thrust on the propellers.
@@Gilles45 👍🏼
You just need to be really careful with power.
Reversing the props does not add any power. The power levers stay at idle.
@@jonbeckett Thanks ☝🏼☝🏼👍🏼👍🏼
That was like me.. no charts, no Simbrief, no Navigraph, no ATC.. just improvise when you get to the airport based on what you see. lol
Pretty much. And then brace yourself as the internet turns up to rip you a new one over it :) lol
I see some bugs on loc alignment after the last update
Yeah - there's several big buys that have appeared after the update - most noteably you cannot enter airfields into the MCDU with numbers in...
"and breathe". LOL
I know you use the TCA throttle quadrant as you showed how to calibrate it in one of your other videos. However, have you experienced the problem everyone is complaining about since the update?
The throttles no longer work. They are fine in start-up and taxi but as soon as you take off and pull the throttles back to notch you no longer have any control. Any physical throttle movement results in no simulator movement or throttle control nor do keyboard throttle commands (F1-F4) work. The plane is no longer controllable.
Not seen that at all. You must have something else conflicting with it ?
Funny to see that you turned of the left fuel pump en did a takeoff and kept flying with that turned off
Yep - I replied elsewhere about the same thing - I need to read up on it. I suspect the pumps are actually BOOST pumps - and that the aircraft will run fine without them. Like I said - need to confirm it.
Can't even switch master battery on in Series X in cold dark start! Oh dear?????
I did a short flight after that the update on series x and I had no problem (I am using mouse for the cockpit interactions though).
Is the tablet on?
@@Revansan I only have the hand controller
@@picoproclan Sure is.
I have a series S and the update is working just fine for me?
So VOR doesn't work lol
Oh it does - I just missed the switch to make it work.
small note, asobo has nothing to do with this plane, it's microsoft who have contracted Hans Hartmann (like they contracted Asobo for the sim). Still a lot of things broken so it stays in the hangar for me unfortunately.
Yeah - hopefully there will be further updates coming down the pipe for it.
Sadly, this aircraft remains an absolute mess! There is a major bug which prevents the aircraft engines from starting when using cold and dark. I have spent hours trying to work out what is going on. Sometimes I cannot get Hotel Mode working. All apears fine until I disconnect external power and the aicraft reverts to battery power only. Other times I manage to get engine 2 started but engine 1 will not start. Sometimes I cannot get either engine to start.
The different options (cold and dark, hotel mode, etc) are a waste of time. When neither engine started this evening, I pressed ready for taxi. Even though external power was stiull connected the outboard displays shut down and neither engine would start.
My fear is that the developer who released this beta-version of the aircraft also developed the CRJ.... which, more than 12 months on, is still full of bugs and problems.
It seems as though he develops something really good.... upto a point.... gets bored and then abandons it. My fear is that he will do the same with the ATR.... VERY DISAPPOINTING
I've not had any of the issues you've had (yet) - I'll do another flight with it soon, to see if I get any similar issues.
@@jonbeckett Thanks for your response Jonathan. Many people do not seem to be experiencing this issue. I have had 3 flights in a row without any issues. But, if you search TH-cam there is a New Zealander who has made a video demonstrating exactly what I have experienced. Several commenters confirmed the same thing.
This is the worst kind of bug…. The intermittent variety 😊
The cold and dark bug is not intermittent, it's just that the battery drains regardless of the external power being on. If it takes too long to program the route or do the other checklist items, the engines won't start regardless of the external power being on or not. I'm not sure exactly how long it takes but it's more or less 10-15 minutes. If you go into hotel mode first thing every time, you don't get the issue. Also I think the engines not starting on external power is a sim-wide issue since I get the same thing with the Islanders.
@@damerval Thank you for that. That makes sense.
@@damerval it could be connected to controllers too. Many controllers with start switches accidentally drain the battery because of the way they are configured.
This is so painful to watch.
Why?
So why watch it ? These videos are for simulation and entertainment purposes only. Under no circumstances try to emulate this in the real world !!!
Usually good videos, but this one was rushed IMO
crazy how the number one engine started when you turned the pump off
I need to read about this. I think they will actually operate without the pumps - it may be that they are *boost* pumps. Like I said - need to read up on it.