Updated beginners start procedure for the ATR-42/72 600 in Microsoft Flight Simulator
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- Following updates to the ATR series of aircraft in Microsoft Flight Simulator yesterday, it became obvious that the startup procedure from "cold and dark" has changed - so I have updated the checklist, and recorded a new startup procedure walk-through.
To download the updated checklist, head to my shop at ko-fi where you can download any of my checklists, and chip in a small amount if you wish:
ko-fi.com/jonbeckett/shop
It's worth noting that this is a FUNCTIONAL start procedure - I don't get involved too much in programming a route into the MCDU, running any of the tests, or monitoring many of the pressures and so on that a real flight crew would do - we're doing the absolute minimum.
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With this set of instruction, I might have the baby step I need to get into airliners. It's not so intimidating. Thanks for this!
You're welcome :)
Fantastic video - thanks a lot!
Thank you for this video. I stills a bit of confidence than I might be able to wrap my head around this plane. If only “flown” small VFR craft and I feel so out of my depth with all this.
I also very much enjoyed “ let’s wait for this lady to walk past” and the second she is past the nose and infront of the prop “ o.k. Let’s go”
Thanks for this update! These are always very helpful. THANK YOU for figuring out the prop-brake issue!
I tried the A320 from FBW.. Was good fun but might be a bit too complex for me atm 😅 maybe it is just getting used to the navigation systems in general and the MCDU..
perhaps this suits me better? Bought it yesterday and looking forward to trying it.
Thanks for this excellent video :)
Thank you Jon, good work as always !
Your videos are so amazing. Thank you so much for all your work and sharing of knowledge
Thank y o u so much for the video and checklist.This has turned into my favorite aircraft to fly.
Thx Jon, just what I needed to know…nice & short !
Great video! Short and to the point!
Excellent tutorial Jonathan 👏 Many thanks.
Ahh so that's why my ATR stopped following the FP after cruise. There was a discontinuity in it..thanks for saving me I'm mad I didn't notice this at first.
Jonathan: Thank you for this video. I hadn't flown the ATR since the most recent update, and was unaware of the revised start-up procedures. I couldn't get the starboard prop to rotate and had to scrap a flight at KBOS while communicating with Boston ground on Vatsim. Somewhat embarrasing, but your video has now solved the issue completely. I very much appreciate the time you spend on these lessons and evaluations of the various aircraft. Take care!
Cheers - yes - the updated ATR changed the default state of a number of systems around the aircraft.
Thank you!!!! I was wondering why the propeller wasn't working when I was coming off hotel mode. Keep up the great videos they are so helpful :)
Thanks for the excellent info of this aircraft seems a lot to get used to but thanks to you and your videos which are a great help.
My pleasure!
Really nice job worth a sub just for this video. I really enjoy flying this bird ... The update has improved the functionality a lot ...
Thanks for the sub!
Jon my man, your videos and checklists are just next level, thank you so very much for this, any plans on making approach/landing checklist in the future? That would definitely be very appreciated by beginners like me! Thanks again :)
I'm thinking about it :)
I just bought this plane on sale today for $12.99. Yeah, baby! Thanks for another excellent video, Jonathan. 🖖😀
Great video. very helpful
Excellent review...
Thank you!
Spot on Video Thank You
nice... thank you!!
Not sure if this is a recent change due to the most recent update, but you cannot have the Gust Lock disengaged while attempting to operate the Prop Brake; it must be re-engaged when starting Prop 2/Engine 1 after hotel mode startup (don't forget to re-engage before takeoff) - I believe this is real-life accurate to the operation of the ATR42/72 but might be worth a mention in your checklist! Fantastic video though, got me off the ground for a test flight and now I'm planning my first flight.
Thank you for pointing this out. After a few months of departing passengers getting their heads chopped off, I've finally got my question answered.
I HAVE TO SAY YOU DO A GREAT JOB WITH VIDEOS AND YOUR CHECKLIST.
Cheers :) Remember - there's a lot more than the checklist covers - it's just the basics - around which you can do a lot more :)
Hello there nice video. Just a quick question before start the Eng #2 shouldn't we deactivate the prop breaker and active the auxiliar something next to the throttle quadrant wait 15s and then start the engine?
Its a "short click" on the AUX Pump button only, in addition you can bring up the SYS HYD page to monitor .../ Finally figured it out today ;-)
Good to know.
@@jonbeckett Also to check for any hydraulic leaks during a walk around. During the power up flow you can turn on the hyd pumps, turn on the aux pump, then turn on the hyd xfeed to pressurize both green and blue systems. Then turn off after verifying on the sys page that blue and green are pressurized.
Hey Jonathan,
Grzeat Video. Very helpful.
PS just downloaded your checklost... and let some coffee money :)
Cheers
Thank you :)
Thanks John. I bought you a cup of coffee, but still need a bit of advice. Running this plane on an Xbox S and no matter what I have tried I cannot get the front wheel to steer from a cold & dark. If I start from the runway position all is fine . . . I can’t figure this out. Thanks.
Such a fantastic and insightful video. Thank you! Would you be able to tell me why the speeds do not go on blue as I have done all the checks as you have said.
If you look at my recent videos I have recently updated again (there have been many updates to the ATR).
Was wondering why the prop break wouldn't engage the engine the fan kept pointing forward 😂 thanks alot
Thanks for this. It was driving me mad.
Great video but I wonder: did you overlook the new simbrief integration?
No - didn't overlook it - just didn't use it.
The community appreciates your help. My issue is the dme doesn't appear for the ils shown.What am I doing wrong? The vor is working properly.Thx
Not all ILS systems have DME.
What about the broken EFB? It does not load SB correctly
Jonathan, thank you as usual. But do you mean to say that having corrected some existing bugs Asobo have not created a load of new ones? That's not like real software writers is it lol???
I wouldn't know - I've spent literally an hour or so with it so far :)
Could you cover the EFB please? It will load the SB flightplan (sans airways) but I find the fuel and payload section a complete car-crash. The interface is awful with buttons which clearly do things but with no manual it's total guesswork regarding the correct flow. There are buttons which I've found overiding the pax numbers - ex. I import from SB showing 54 pax, then on the ZFW sub-screen when I say load plane it resets pax count to 61. The best I've managed is GW 300kg above SB TOW which I suspect is 6 crew added to the SB pax values. Honestly - simpler to not use the EFB at all until it's documented/fixed. I love the plane but shipping it with ZERO documentation is spoiling the ship for a ha'porth of tar...
I've not delved too deeply into the passenger info. I know if programming airways you have to do it a very specific way to avoid breaking the MCDU.
I think I have a performance hit with the new update. Not sure which update, the ATR or AAU2, but there is a difference.
AAU2 definitely, I lost about 10 percent fps in my usual test scenario.
The FTR leaver is connected with my throttle. How can I fix this?
Great video! But I have one problem, all goes well until a few mins after activating AP, after a few mins it stops following the flight plan?
I've not had time to do a flight with it yet.
So it sounds you fly a departure and than it disconnects. That is on purpose to say the least. The work around on this is, click the DTO button and click the waypoint to go to.
Be sure to look at your FMA's. Ensure the FGCP is set up correctly. If using FMS nav ensure FM1 is set on the Capt side and FM2 set on FO side. Ensure CPL is set to PF and FD's on. Ensure to also arm correct modes for departure.
Hi Jonathan...does this updated beginners startup procedure of cold & dark startup for the ATR72-600/ATR42-600 can also be used for the updated Expert series ATR72-600/ATR42-600 too? Thanks
Yes - they are the same aircraft. I have updated it to match the state of the aircraft from cold and dark in the updated version.
@@jonbeckett that's great mate....
Hi, I find the EFB freezes before I've even managed to start the engines? Think it has something to do with programming the FMC. Any idea how to avoid this freeze or how to fix the issue?
Not had that problem.
Anyone know why my sid is not showing the correct route on the nav display always shows the sid as a tight turn almost 180° instead of a long bending turn that the sid shows e.g. exmo1A from cardiff
Probably a failure of the rendering in the aircraft.
For circuit pattern touch and go, what is the recommended air speed and flaps settings? Would be great if you could share tutorial videos on circuit pattern training.
I'm pretty sure the documentation for the aircraft covers approach speed and configuration. You wouldn't normally do circuits in a big aircraft :) That's not to say you can't lol
@@jonbeckett If that is the case, during type rating, how does CFI know that their pilot students are ready to handle those bigger Airbus and Boeing aircrafts in a real environment?
@@jeffhiew5795 I said "normally" :)
I've followed this to the letter. The prop brake jams on, won't come off no matter what. If you have any thoughts i'd love to hear it before I give up on it entirely.
OK, a little more playing since and may have found the issue. I had the aircraft installed on an external drive and it would appear that it really didn't like that! I really hate FS sometimes! :D
So... here's a thing. And it drives me NUTS. Bought the plane this weekend so its hard to tell if there are any changes so far. I watched and followed this video for the 4th time now and all is the same until 13:04. Right at that time most of the messages in the first left screen dissapear on the video but stay on in my cockpit. It also keeps showing the hydrolics on low pressure?. No matter how often I repeat, it will show the blue pump, green pump and the acw gen1 and 2 on LOPR and fault. The strange thing is when I keep external power connected, and use that EXT the lights fade, but as soon as I disconnect again they turn right on again and the systems fail
Traced it back to a throttle problem. I use the Thrustmaster TC quadrant. However when I pull back the throttle to zero, it shuts down the engine and thus leads to lopres. Cant understand why it does this but Ill look into any known issues with this combination
Hotel mode is broken for me, when I turn it on the #2 prop stops spinning and the engine keeps running as normal. But when I go to turn hotel mode off that prop doesn’t start spinning. I have to restart and start without by skipping hotel mode.
Anything i’m doing wrong ! I don’t think so though
And it also says ready and prop break at the same tome
I updated the start-procedure (available at ko-fi.com/jonbeckett/shop) to account for this. It's to do with the ordering of steps when starting up.
How is it that you can see the screens turned on? when I enter a new flight everything is off. Cntrl+3 shows a blanck tablet. can you help me please?
Have you checked to see if there are any updates ?
@@jonbeckett thanks for the reply, after 4 hours of trying to figure it out and re-installing 3 times it finally works.
Where is your checklist located at??
ko-fi.com/jonbeckett/shop
How are you able to move around freely from cockpit and into cabin. Im confined to cockpit …
You can map keys to move you around.
I still seem to have a fault warning on the blue hydraulic, I have followed everything exact, so I'm not sure what's happening.
That's really odd.
@@jonbeckettit's because I had the service doors opened and all the other doors
Can someone give me a time stamp when he starts the engines
So what's new about the start-up procedure? Only that the aux hydraulic pump have to be turned on before disengaging the prop brake? If so, this video should have been only 30 sec :)
And one more thing, you can actually pushback the ATR by its own power, using reverse thrust (props in beta), which is a real procedure at remote airports without pushback service.
I thought using beta to pushback was typically outlawed for all manner of reasons. A lot of the default button positions have changed following power-up. We are doing a LOT less than we used to.
One issue I have found with the atr is, once you shut it off and try to start it again, it will not. Not sure if you have delt with this or not
I've not tried that yet.
@jonbeckett no worries. The atr is my primary choice of aircraft for running on air missions. Great aircraft and I have learned much from watching your content. My work around right now is, hook up ground power. Throw the prop in feather and eventually prop brake all together. I than force end my on air mission. It seems to be the only way.
@@jonbeckett my comment didn't age well. In the latest update with the atr, they fixed the inop restart. It works great now
I've been able to do a turn with the ATR and had no issues. Only issues i'm finding is with the EFB.
@FlightLineYT I figured out what was happening.the batteries are not charging and am loosing juice even when connected to ground power. Not sure what is up with it or why
Just a note here for individuals whose HYD AUX will not produce the "READY", I found when following this that if I reconnected the external power, that light will go to a green READY for me. Much like this vid, it didn't work at first. There are threads in the forums suggesting there is a flaw in the AC/DC logic, and my solve by reconnecting to ext power seems to agree with that. This bug in theory should only hit you if you are from a C+D state.
I've never had that happen. Very odd.
@@jonbeckett Unfortunately it only worked once for me yesterday without shenanigans. I was following along with this video and it didn't work at the same moment as yours didn't. In this video, you give it a 2nd try but mine wouldn't come back up. I think I then removed external power (or had done it prior after eng1 start) and restored, and the when I did that, the HYD AUX worked.
The rest of the day I had no luck so my workaround isn't a workaround. I'm going to dig into it more. I found a fwe bug reports from recently on the forums concerning this feature so it feels like maybe they have some race condition or something causing instability.
@@jonbeckett If you are curious, I have uploaded a video where I follow your steps as you do them and have no luck on that switch no matter what I do. Its still processing to UHD but if you are curious its here:
th-cam.com/video/EB8XDUnwVE8/w-d-xo.html
Going to work on it some more this week and see if I can work out how to coax it into behaving. Its worth noting as well that when I am in a cold and dark state, my configuration is a little different than what yours is here. For instance, my hydraulics are set when I start from Cold and Dark.
@@jonbeckett Okay, after playing with it, I think I've got a reliable means of getting it going. If I follow what you prescribed, even testing the last several hours on tens of attempts, it will come up maybe 5-10% of the time for me if I follow your vid to a T. What I found is that if I flip that condition lever to the "auto" position, that READY light will come on. What is interesting is if you then move the condition lever back to "FTR", that READY light will then turn off after a second which suggests the issue is related maybe to how much hydraulic power is available? I'm not sure, but if you set it to AUTO, every time that READY light will come on, so that's my thinking. If you want to see this demo'd in under 4 minutes, I uploaded a demonstration of both when it won't work and when it will:
th-cam.com/video/ZzzVY4_aTiI/w-d-xo.html
Oh, and you said you've never had that happen, but it literally happened on your first attempt in this vid if you rewatch it. You just got lucky that it came up with the 2nd press, I'm guessing.
Your v1 speed was 105. your vr speed was 104.
Vr shouldn't be lower than v1. That's a bug
There are still problems with the FMC in the ATR
Like what?
I must be doing something wrong- I have to have both engines running at auto before I can disconnect the external power without killing the 1st and 3rd displays...???
Without seeing what you're doing it's hard to say.
@@jonbeckett appreciate it- seems odd. I'll try your new checklist verbatim and if that doesn't work I'll try a reinstall...
If your throttle levers are too much aft of the idle/disc position you will lose those displays for some reason. Since the sim allows reverse and forward thrust on the same axis, it makes it tricky to taxi, especially without a detent on your physical throttles. Try listening for the sound of the detent inside the cockpit to tell how far back your throttles are.
@@BlindFoldedPilot got it- i was still turning on the DC and AC gens per the old instructions...
@@LowescC Glad you got that worked out, safe flights!
Where the best place to buy the ATR?
Just look around the various places that sell aircraft :) I'm not google :)
@@jonbeckett Oh, Ok. I’ll “Google” what does @jonbeckett recommend for the best ATR to download. What a snide jack 🫏 remark when sincerely looking for what you thought was the best place to get the ATR. Most people have a preference of where to get because of quality or study level.
@jonbeckett Well, that was certainly a sarcastic (snide) remark! Your recommendation is just wonderful, isn't it? Why didn't I come up with that brilliant idea myself? So, as a self-proclaimed "guru," you don't have any opinions on who offers the best ATR? 😂 I suppose I'll have to resort to Googling to find out who you think offers the best ATR to purchase.. 🤦
@@CaribbeanSimPilot Since when did I proclaim myself as a guru? I'm just an aviation enthusiast - like you, and most others that use the simulator. All I would have done to answer your question is head to JustFlight, SimMarket, and Contrail and compared the prices.
@@jonbeckett Didn’t ask about price or care. Still don’t get it do you? All planes in my experience are not created equal from 3rd parties. I was simply asking in your opinion if one was prefer over another and where to get it. Oh, by the way, Google didn’t tell me which one jonbeckett thought had the best 3rd part version and where to buy. See ya!
Just bought the ATRs, the IPad is not working,why????
Good question.
@@jonbeckett it’s now saying I’m missing some content, idk where to find them?
@@slingslong3756 without seeing exactly what you have installed and/or what you're doing, it's impossible to tell.
@@jonbeckett like I just bought then just pressed the download bottom that’s about what I did, I play on a Xbox x
My altitude indicator won’t work
It works for me :/
@@jonbeckett do you have to wait a certain time for it to turn on or is there a switch?
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