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- As the debate around transgender athletes continues, ESPN's "Outside the Lines" investigates researchers' studies focusing on testosterone and the athletic benefits it can provide in Part 1 of a three-part series.
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ESPN bold for leaving comments on 😂
Bruh I'm stunned they would leave comments on lol
Hahaha
I’m for separation and not letting trans compete versus girls in sports, but the hate and attacks by the right-wingers is so juvenile, pathetic, and evil. They’re incapable of not being hateful.
I was shocked
@blackout07maroon A small portion of the comments are from hateful idiots. You just gotta ignore them. There are hateful idiots on the democrat side too, let’s be honest. Just browse the comment section of any video about religion and you’ll see a ton of hate coming from liberals. Some people are just jerks. But please don’t pretend dems are saints.
You don’t need science for this one folks. Common sense will do.
Did your sister-wife tell you that Florida Man?
Yup
@@brialt1you must b a Community member…
@brialt1 imagine lebron at age 40 being trans going to wnba to put up 70 point triple doubles sounds awesome huh?
@@kubgee1137 guess I could just hate people for being themselves like you bigots. What's it like to just seethe with hate day in and day out?
I lean left and support lgbt but we cannot ignore the science I’m sorry
I believe the trans movement is right wing because of the science denial on par with flat earth theory and denying climate change. You have nothing for which to apologize.
Women should compete with women and men should compete with men. Simple.
“But what if I identify as a woman “
@travisealy3512 then their wrong lol you are what your born as no inbetweens
They don’t even know the difference between a man and a woman…which is weird because it’s all they ever talk about
@@treyymaccactually, some people are born with both gender’s genitals. Be less ignorant and uneducated.
Yes trans men should compete against cis men, not cis women
They should just have their own league
Greatest idea I ever heard..
Agreed 💯
Not enough trans ppl exist for their own league. I support most trans movements but how we go leaps and bounds for such a small minority for the population is crazy to me.
@@Travsiceyou’d be surprised
@@junior8239As of June 2022, under 18, about 1.5% of the population in the US is trans and over 18 it goes down to .5% of the population. For under 18 that's 300k and over 18 it's like 1 million. Thats the best case scenario for the amount of ppl available. When u also add in the fact that ppl have to like the sport to begin with, to play, and then Geography (for children). It should be clear that the amount of able bodies available for a trans league makes the math difficult.
Regardless of hormones men have a larger and more dense bone structure than women which gives men an advantage
I figured this out when a skinny, bony, guy friend with no muscles pinned me to the ground in college and even using all my strength I couldn’t budge (we were play wrestling - he was just a friend). I outweighed him by a lot and thought I could take him bc he was so scrawny. I couldn’t believe it. Huge wake up call for me as a female. I never challenged another guy friend to a wrestling match after that!
And quicker reaction times, and better open skills which is a cognitive function that has nothing to do with athleticism
The argument for is that hormones medication will effect them in 2 years. Players like Lia Thomas were able to switch sports in less than a year. It's pretty fair to say there was an unfair advantage at the collegiate levels and below.
A woman can inject mass amounts of testosterone for years and years, they're not going to be able to achieve all the advantages a biological male has.
There are still biological advantages of being born in a male body, 2 years of hormones or not.
@@abcxyz2927dude wanted to win so badly he changed his gender
Lia Thomas? You mean William Thomas correct?
More importantly, those hormone treatment will NOT undo the physical advantage Lia gained through his male puberty, as clearly indicated in this video. It's downright unfair to all the women swimmers.
It's not just testosterone! It's bone structure, it's larger hearts, it's longer limbs, it's more fast twitch muscle.
Lots of biological women have larger bodies than others….. do we exclude them too?
I'm not even discussing height or weight in my comment. Proportionally, men have larger hearts, lungs, and limbs. I've dated a man my exact height and weight. He was still much stronger and faster than me. Men have more power. They can throw and punch better because their hips move independently of their shoulders, they have more fast twitch muscle fibers, and their shoulder structure is different. NONE of these advantages go away even with HRT.
Biological women of all sizes compete with other Biological women. Simple as that..
A separate league is the only answer, no matter the complaints.
Paralympic athletes are not in many numbers yet the events still go on.
This is about democracy at the core, not the way they're presenting the issue or about hate.
The majority believes in separation of biological genders for sports, while a minority doesn't. The minority either has to assimilate or create its own space, just like minorities in other topics do.
@Orrion_the_Kitsune source?
@Orrion_the_Kitsune the advantage decreases, but does not go away.
Men and women are fundamentally different, it really isn't rocket science
Aboriginal women have more muscle mass then European men should they not face European women since they are physically superior on genetic level?
Yes there’s a 15% difference in peak performance between cis men and cis or trans women. Thats why trans women should compete against women, not men. Its also why trans men should compete against men, not women.
@@sundayperez1742 smh I love when you guys speak out. It’s always funny. The levels of reaching that comes out. So that’s what it takes to be a male athlete is based on your size? I wish I got to see the biggest female athlete participate with men and see how that would turn out. It would be a complete bully fest. Plus there are big girls everywhere and bigger then men. Why aren’t they competing with that logic of yours?
@sundayperez1742 So just do away with gender based sports then? I bet these cowardly men wouldn't competing then, but since they can break "women" records they think they're special. Weak men preying on women is all this is.
@@winonafrog not sure where 15% comes from pretty sure this very video estimates about 40% in favor of men. It's not a very difficult eye test, there's a reason men and women do not compete in the same categories, Michael Phelps would make the fastest female swimmer ever look as if she weren't moving. The fastest men's 100m dash is an entire second faster than the women's record, saying there's only a 10% difference between the two is not an accurate description, as there's a MASSIVE difference in times that are a fraction of a second within one another. I don't think people understand how nearly impossible it is to shave a fraction off of competitive Olympic times. If you finish a race an entire second behind someone, in reality that means there is a world of difference between you and them. Just food for thought
The fact that we have to debate whether there’s a difference between men and women physiologically is insane.
The fact that they're trying to make it illegal and 2 year prison term offense to call a trans person by their biological gender in the UK to me is absolutely terrifying. People over there are being told to ignore reality because it might hurt feelings. These countries are turning to North Korea and Chinese levels of censorship at this point.
The debate is not about that though is it?
It's about the impact of HRT on the body and whether advantages are maintained and if advantages are maintained how do we ensure that cis women can compete fairly while ensuring trans women arr also not excluded from sport.
The other side of the coin is how we can ensure trans men get an opportunity to compete fairly.. Separate trans male and trans female seems to be the answer but I would say that further research and discussion is needed.
Too attempt to paint it as a discussion about the differences between male and female bodies undervalues the complexity and nuance of the discussion.
Hold on, are we REALLY saying we don't UNDERSTAND this yet and need more data? Please tell me that was a joke. Please.
Soooo we’re just gonna forget about biology and common sense?
but brah biology and common sense hurts feelings!!
If you watched the video, the biology is discussed in some detail.
South Park made a great episode about this.
are you 12?
@@winonafroghow is that relevant? Are you on the internet looking for 12yr olds?
@@winonafrog I’m 25 👍🏻
@@GrandmasterZen south park is a show directed at middle schoolers. if youre 25 and still giggling, try growing up
@@winonafrog Its a comedy show and humour is subjective, people of all ages watch south park ... it sounds like you need to grow up.
I came here straight for the comments 😂
Same lol
You know the hateful republicans couldn’t just give their opinion without being completely evil, full of hatred, and sick. Opposite of Jesus. Meanwhile they say they want anti-trans laws regarding their bodies due to protecting the kid. Lol
Biological differences are far my complicated than the quantity of one hormone. Due to some health issues I have had my testosterone levels checked frequently throughout my life because they have fluctuated more than most people. I do not take any drugs or hormones, I just get my T levels checked regularly. Usually my levels are high because I weight lift daily and bench press 300 pounds. Last time they were around 1000. But there have also been occasions where my levels have dropped very low. At my lowest point my levels were around that of an average woman around 60 and when that happened I felt very tired, but even at my lowest point my strength has always been far greater than a woman's regardless of my T levels. My endocrinologist told me very plainly that "The difference in strength between men and women stems from much more than just testosterone levels." He explained that if your body is still getting stronger and you are full of energy, then the trstosterone number on your lab report doesn't really matter, because even a man with low testosterone may very well be alot stronger than a man with T high levels and no matter how low a man's T levels may dip, he's always going to be stronger than a woman. This is what my endocrinologist said and he deals with people's hormone levels for a living. My point is that trying to divide sports based on T levels is not a viable system. Biology is far more complicated than a singular hormone number.
The experts interviewed in this video agree that it’s more complex than one number; Harper is trans, but still has science-based concerns that trans women who transition after puberty might retain an advantage that could be considered unfair.
Cis gender…. Just say biological male biological females.
cis is an insult at this point
Actually, some people are born with genitals of both genders.
@@jackjames7283^ found the softest snowflake
Male and female already implies the biology, no one can be non-biologically female or male.
Just say man and woman
Name one of these trans athletes that hasn't been a champion and breaking records 🤔
Wut? Why would you or anyone even be aware of them?
@@blackout07blueok groomer
😅. The irony is that trans women actually perform pretty average there are few that stand out
Saying cisgender on ESPN smdh😂😂😂😂😂
Confused you?
@blackout07maroon You really are pretty triggered, realizing 90% of the people aren't on the side of the boys who play dress up. Cisgender is a word they made up to marginalize normal people lol
What's that
@@alejandrogaricia2252 "Trans" activists want to try downplay the difference between the males that "identify" as "trans women" and actual adult females ie WOMEN, so they have invented this prefix of "cis" and try to bully people into using it - as in "cis women" "trans women" - but it is a disgusting lie and manipulative tactic, there's women, and there's males who "identify" as "trans women", they are not both some type of women, there are women, and there are males who want to be called women, the two are literally opposite but "trans" activists want to create this fiction, this illusion, this perverse fantasy that "trans women" are a sub-category of women, but they are a sub-category of MALES, and women, are adult human FEMALES.
@@blackout07blueno, we just think it’s stupid, because it is.
As a parent of an athletic girl, who is a big, strong and smart kid: I shudder to think that a life changing scholarship or contract could be snatched away from her due to results against trans competitors. It’s just not fair. This is a left leaning person speaking here.
Well how big is your kid? And what sport?
@@flyguy7825doesn’t matter
@@royal4l_ It does matter what do you mean it doesn’t matter lol
@@flyguy7825 If she’s a girl she competes against other girls. That’s what I mean.
@@royal4l_ OK but she has an advantage she’s big and strong and smart you don’t think that’s an advantage regardless if she is a girl or not?!🙄
Being that this is a debate this is proof we are in the last days
💯
You know OP is a village idiot.
Or youre insecure and pathetic. Probably that…
The last days will never come
😂. I’ll just believe what I see with my own eyes.
Where’s all the women in the NFL? NBA? MLB? NHL?
There is no argument and I won’t waste my time watching an “argument” when there’s not one.
i support trans people and i know its a sensitive issue and you can identify as what you want but chemicals in your body are different for men and women
Yup
I support women sports........
Shut up
Not after the hormone replacement is undergone-maybe try research instead of fake allyship
The fact you support them means you’re part of the problem.
This shouldn't even be a debate!! Its sick
Whoa there, better chill out before the woke cult comes to cancel you.
@@sar4806 🤣🤣🤣
“sick”? I don’t get why you incels are so hateful. You can have an opinion without being hateful.
Yes all you matt walsh / fox news clowns are sick. Stop obsessing over trans people. Youre either trans yourself and closeted, got rejected by women and are hurt, or insecure about yourself in general. When you complain and obsess about trans people, its obvious to everyone but you.
@blackout07maroon Nah, as a parent of a daughter who is good at sports, it's sick to see some boy play pretend so he can have an easier game than if he had to play against other boys. Maybe I'm just an "incel"? Project that energy some more
I love that in my lifetime every sports record will be held by men. This is an amazing era to be a man!!!
What’s challenging? You’re ending woman’s sports with the derangement from the left.
so now you start caring about womens sports 🙄
@@dodgerblue482you mad b****?
Well... I'm center left... and it is insane to me to have trans sports honestly. It's just science lol
@@dodgerblue482 lol if I didn’t care I wouldn’t have posted. Cute try though
perhaps the one consuming endless antitrans media is the one in a deranged cult…
Testosterone is not the only problem…muscle and bone structure also!
What happened to this network goodness
EDIT: I'm only talking about elite competitive sports here, I don't see any reason for exclusion from social sport or anything else that isn't handing out prestigious awards and large cash prizes.
I'm a trans woman, and to be honest, I don't think this a hill we need to die on.
Even if trans women have no competitive advantage at the highest levels of competition after being on HRT. It is possible for them to get a competitive advantage by lowering their anti androgen dose. This means that there needs to be mandated serum testosterone limits for trans women in sport that would have to be set arbitrarily and would be invasive to enforce.
This would also open the door to cis women feeling pressure to take testosterone as a performance enhancing drug since they would perform better at the sport if they increased their T to the mandated limit.
Ultimately you're making a situation where some group of female athletes are allowed to alter their testosterone levels and the rest are not even for a world where there is no inherent competitive advantage after years on HRT.
Would it be unfair to make a distinction between participation versus competition. It's difficult to negotiate what is fair and most inclusive without otherizing. Transgirls are women, so to treat them differently is to fail them. However in athletics it seems that a male genotype competing against genetic females is unfair to those at an inherent disadvantage. To have a Trans person compete against those with whom they do not identify seems unfair to me. I hope very soon we figure out a way for everyone to wake up winning.
Great comment
Edited my comment. What I'm saying I think is only of any relevance in the most elite levels of play. For social clubs where competitiveness is lower I don't see any good reason to exclude trans women other than transphobia.
No, trans girls are not biological women. Let's make that fact clear,
To be a biological woman , it's about anatomy and biology features first and foremost.
I said ban them and my comment was deleted.
i’m sure, victim.
i found a fix : get a life maybe ?
@@blackout07blueok groomer
I wonder why espn lost 30 million subscribers? Can’t quite figure it out. With genius reporting like this, I can’t imagine why people aren’t spending their hard earned cash on this genius discussion.
How did this happen? Its the most ridiculous thing in the world to allow a man to compete against a woman just because they feel like a woman. Its actually maddening and hopefully its put to end.
It happened bc some changed themselves via surgeries and hormone reduction.
Youre right trans men should compete against cis men and trans women should compete against cis women. Anything else is madness
@@blackout07blueas has been happening for a century without much issue
@@winonafrog Stop lying.
@@blackout07bluethey're still men, mutilated men
Just because some man says he's a woman now it doesn't make it so
They need thier own league
Why???
They changed not the world.
@@AdamDavis-ph8io huh?
They have their own league, it's called men's sports.
It’s a catch 22 with trans in sports.
Transforming kids before puberty is bad and doing it after 18 will have them benefit from puberty.
The solution is go to therapy rather than destroy your body
The sports rules only need to address potentially unfair advantage. If a younger transitioner did not have an advantage, the rules should allow her to compete even if some people think she shouldn’t have transitioned so young.
Look at the facts! These men are crushing it in women's leagues, it's unfair and cowardly of these men to be doing that.
They're really doing a piece on this? So for thousands of years we've had it wrong?
Why not start a transgender league for whatever sport they (or whatever pronoun is used) want to play?
By the eye test there aren’t enough ppl to form a whole different league
They have made up literally hundreds of “genders” …and they all hate each other 😂 Can you imagine them trying to create even one comprehensive trans team!?
Because then it doesn’t validate them
A separate league is the only answer, no matter the complaints.
Paralympic athletes are not in many numbers yet the events still go on.
This is about democracy at the core, not the way they're presenting the issue or about hate.
The majority believes in separation of biological genders for sports, while a minority doesn't. The minority either has to assimilate or create its own space, just like minorities in other topics do.
The expert is transgender c'mon now. Whatever
a little bias much
Why is this even a debate
because transphobia is a common bias in the usa and trans-hatred is at an all time high
@winonafrog aren't you supposed to be trafficking children?
@@winonafrogwaaaaahhhhhhhhh
A league is the only solution. Just like the Special Olympics. Create a transgender league. Period
You rarely have to justify, explain, or rationalize the truth. Man cannot just become woman
Lmfao let’s goooo bron vs that one Russian hostage chick I forget her name🏀 How about Amanda Nunes vs Israel adesanya 👊😂
When a male has gone through puberty the effects on strenght, bone structure and size are permanent. I'm post menopausal and have had hysterectomy. I'm still female.
U MFs need ya own league 🤷🏾♂️ That's how yall can get ur data 🤔
like what women did they got thar own league
This world is confused
says the incel
yea the trans-hatred is so unneeded in this world…we need to be tolerant and kind to others and stop consuming made-up & biased sensationalizing content fraudsters like matt walsh vomit out
@@blackout07blue You wish lol
@@blackout07blueeveryone that disagrees with you is a incel? Bet you have lots of friends.
@@blackout07blueok kiddie fiddler
Man Disney really wants ESPN to die huh? 😂
oh, incel. This is literally supporting your position.
hopefully they shed all you mancels in the comments every day
Man, you must really hate womans sports. 😆
@@winonafrognow why would you expect anyone to respect you when you don’t return it?
What about hand? Feet? Heart? Lungs?
You don’t see women getting too men’s sports and dominating. A separate league should be created.
Unfortunately a separate league isn't the answer. There aren't nearly enough trans athletes out there to create new leagues for every sport. And even if they could, some trans athletes would still complain because they don't see themselves as trans they see themselves as women. There's no good solution except that they can only compete as the gender they were born. They can compete for fun in community leagues or something like that, but that's about it
@pete6705 utter nonsense. There are leagues already in place for minority groups and those with disabilities where their numbers are smaller than the transgender population.
A separate league is the only answer, no matter the complaints.
Paralympic athletes are not in many numbers yet the events still go on.
This is about democracy at the core, not the way they're presenting the issue or about hate.
The majority believes in separation of biological genders for sports, while a minority doesn't. The minority either has to assimilate or create its own space, just like minorities in other topics do.
Let's not fall in the trap of a few vocal activists wanting to impose on the majority.
For example, Once nudists (folks who believe in not wearing clothes) become the majority, then you guessed it, they will impose on the rest of us not wear clothes.
This is about democracy and majority rule..
@@pete6705trans rights advocates absolutely hate the separate league idea, would never agree to it even if it were feasible financially. I think eventually people will probably agree to a minimum amount of years on HRT (4 years or so) for trans women to compete with women. Might be years and years away from that though.
X Box: “my X button identifies as an A”
Playstation: “Whatever you wanna call it. It’s still an X”
Xbox: “Also my Square button identifies as an X and I even made it blue like a real X”
PlayStation: 😵💫
incel
get a life dork
No slur calling
Transgender woman = man!
So to some this up it’s not as black and white as people thought it was That’s why kids undergoing a transition it’s so controversial because before you hit puberty it is possible to reverse completely Testosterone levels in transgender women but once you hit puberty it’s a lot more difficult and for people who are on high levels of testosterone endurance will be extremely effected and recovery but this is just part of the problem this says more about people who are transgender in the various communities than it does sports They are still being ridiculed they’re still being embarrassed they are still being discriminated against in public
@@abcxyz2927 that’s not true at all go look it up hormone blockers or FDA approved but I say this all to say that this is just a part of an issue when it comes to transgender people in the community they are still being discriminated against there still being stereotyped etc. etc. because society has no interest unfortunately of understanding people in the community
@@abcxyz2927 Again not true with a parent consent children can use hormone blockers as early as the age of eight and then some jurisdictions is a little older between the ages of 10 and 11 before puberty is reached it’s not recommended by a lot of doctors to do that but again this all comes down to parent consent So I say that all that to say that hormone blockers are legal in the United States
@@abcxyz2927 Dude I’m not gonna go back-and-forth with you on this I know what I know I know what I read and I know by speaking from people who actually have been on hormonal blockers so take your opinions and shove it straight up where the sun don’t shine
@@flyguy7825do you really think it’s a good idea to put children on chemical castration drugs? Is that really what you’re going to defend?
A separate league is the only answer, no matter the complaints.
Paralympic athletes are not in many numbers yet the events still go on.
This is about democracy at the core, not the way they're presenting the issue or about hate.
The majority believes in separation of biological genders for sports, while a minority doesn't. The minority either has to assimilate or create its own space, just like minorities in other topics do.
Let's not fall in the trap of a few vocal activists wanting to impose on the majority.
ESPN really pushing this ?
Regardless of what a person looks like…. Genetically a MAN is defined as a human with a Y chromosome. If you have a Y chromosome you should be competing with men. Let the trans compete but with the MEN!
Let biological and cisgender women decide. They need to boycott and refuse to play with and against Transwomen otherwise they'll take over and women sports will be majority transgender athletes.
You really are scared of something that will never happen 😅 the amount of trans athletes is so so so small
@winonafrog because they're mostly cowardly men who suck against regular men and would be bottom tier so they have to compete against women to have any advantage.
A separate league is the only answer, no matter the complaints.
Paralympic athletes are not in many numbers yet the events still go on.
This is about democracy at the core, not the way they're presenting the issue or about hate.
"It is just biology. Men have 10 times the amount of testosterone that normal women have. Now you want to get rid of that testosterone? O.K., but then it is going to take a couple of years for that to equilibrate. And men still have a larger frame with a larger cardiac output, a larger lung capacity." -- Renee Richards
The injures will continue as we allow biological men to take opportunities, scholarships, and doll out injuries and pain. It is time for every woman's sport to draw a line in the sand and protect biological women.
We all know the answer to this you don't need ti be a scientific expert. We all know that men have physical athletic advantages over women. And hormone therapy does not negate all those advantages. The question is not do trans athletes have an advantage in women's sports. The question is which is more important- keeping women's sports fair and accept that some far-left people will call you transphobic, or letting biologically born men compete in women's sports with an unfair advantage but no one calls you transphobic.
You noticed it’s never trans men going into men’s leagues. It’s always tans women going into females
yeah
False, there’s several examples of trans men winning in mens sports. Even in boxing.
@@winonafrogfunny how you have zero examples to back this dumb arguement.
@@winonafrog name 5.
@winonafrog "trans men" don't exist, mutilated women exist.
The sad part is trans women do have an advantage but there is not enough of them to compete against eachother...
That's fine. There aren't too many paralympic athletes as well but events still go on. No need to squash biological men/women differences.
Not an excuse..
The majority believes in respecting biology and anatomy.
For the minority that believe otherwise, either they integrate or create their own space, just like other minorities in different topics do.
This is about democracy at the core, not hate...!
@christianlendo7787 i WAS NOT making an excuse. Really its only women's sports that are being affected. And if i was not clear in my first post trans women shouldn't compete against real women
you start this out with a total non sequitur. when you said the best male athletes wiull out perform the best female athletes. it should be seen that mediocre to poor male athletes will outperform the best female athletes.
Just have a seperate sport group like we already do.
Quite simple. Your included in your own group.
Men’s sport
Woman’s sport
Special Olympics
Trans sport
What’s the problem ?
Watch kindergarten cop
There you got it
Women have a v....
Men have a p....
Simple as that 😂😂😂
people on both sides of the political spectrum need to put aside their emotions & listen to the science on this topic. & the science shows its unfair (as well as real world cases)
To those who say sports is filled with unfairness so they should be allowed to compete anyways - you likely dont play sports & arent invested so f*ck off + that doesnt matter. we should still do as much as is possible to maintain fairness in sports
Should be decided on a sport by sport basis drawing a distinction between professional and amateur sports. In professional sport there are a number of factors:- participants, the media, advertisers, sponsors, governing bodies, paying public and integrity of sport. You could loosely call them the "market" for that sport , after all professional sport is in the entertainment business to make money. If your going to change the qualification criteria it has to be with the agreement of the " market". If the market agrees transgenders can participate then that's fine. But if it doesn't agree then it's irrelevant how many hoops the transgender has gone through, you can't sell something to the market it's not prepared to buy. Being kind and inclusive won't wash in the real world. It's up to to sports governing bodies to be guided by common sense and the wishes of majority in the case of amateur sports.
There is no real debate.
This isn’t rocket science. Men compete against men.
ask the williams sisters
Start a separate league if you want to be fair because women are at a disadvantage and shouldn’t lose spots to a man!
Let see is it fair to allow men to compete with women in sport ? Lol 😂😂 we had a national experiment last year quite publicly with WILLIAM THOMAS YOU KNOW THE DUDE THAT WON THE WOMAN'S NCAA SWIMMING TITLE!! after swimming with the men's team for 3 years and never winning anything or even coming close and all of a sudden HE IS A NCAA WOMENS CHAMPION!!! Make that make sense you don't need science to learn if there is an advantage or not lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣
do you have 0 life ? why are you obsessed ?
It's really that simple.
Don’t we have completely differently shaped hips ?
Nope, it is really simple and logical, no need to understand issue more as far as competitive sport, man are stronger, faster, bigger and taller, thanks
yes trans men should compete again men, and trans women should compete against women
@@winonafrog yeah, no, not really but being logical today is a tall task to many
@@DarioP44 sure the classic stoic “logical free thinker” who bootlicks the same fascist ideology as 60% of the usa
@@winonafrog"trans women" don't exist. Men exist
When we couldn’t compete against men, women were smart enough to start their own leagues. Why can’t trans do the same for themselves?
How many trans people live in the USA? then how many of those trans people actually plays any sport let alone one single sport ?
Geez you sound uninformed…
2023 is so funny to me thats all I'ma say about that 😂
incel
@@blackout07bluego get some help, you're projecting.
Just have a separate category for trans women who underwent male puberty then, vice versa..
There may not be many trans athletes now, but if we keep changing the rules for them, there will be a whole bunch of them in women's sports in a decade winning all the titles if we don't stop this ridiculous inclusivity trap. This is happening at the expense of real women. Also, where does it end? Will they start receiving women's scholarships and promotions and filling in their quotas at the expense of biological women? No offense to trans people, I respect your right to exist and your desire to be called a woman, but you are not a real woman. When you visit the doctor you do not go to the OBGYN. You don't have ovaries, you don't know what it's like to PMS and have your body not cooperate for weeks, you don't know what it's like to give birth. Just because you start taking hormones doesn't change that. Just like I will never be someone outside my race no matter how much surgery I get, you will never be outside of your real gender. Life is unfair, and we don't all get what we want, but it is what it is. You guys deserve your own category not just in sports, but everywhere else, like bathrooms. It's only fair to everyone.
A slap in the face ti women rights
A separate league is the only answer, no matter the complaints.
Paralympic athletes are not in many numbers yet the events still go on.
This is about democracy at the core, not the way they're presenting the issue or about hate.
The majority believes in separation of biological genders for sports, while a minority doesn't. The minority either has to assimilate or create its own space, just like minorities in other topics do.
Let's not fall in the trap of a few vocal activists wanting to impose on the majority.
For example, Once nudists (folks who believe in not wearing clothes) become the majority, then you guessed it, they will impose on the rest of us not wear clothes.
This is about democracy and majority rule..
Let trans play sports
This again….
yes
Trans people exist and people are trained to hate them, its annoying yes
Nothing to debate, mental health is a real issue in this country lol.
fellow american brothers and sisters, stay strong, yuri bezmenov lecture has come true, hope u people find the right path again, STAY STRONG
Soon the trans community will fight and argue that taking hormone blockers is not necessary, by saying I’m a woman should be good enough.
They're men genetically so play in the male leagues
Yes trans men should compete against cis men, not women
@winonafrog you're confused.
What is a woman?
@@Johnsmith-hp6tw xx
XX sports snd XY sports. Compete according to your genetic "assignment." 😏
Hii
They need they own cuz nooo that’s not fair why y’all trying force this mess on the public stage the main stages
Why didn’t they just initiate trans categories at the onset? Rather than “inclusion” at women’s expense?
Add emotional instability, menstrual cycle to that. There’s a lot of factors which scream it’s unfair and cheating
Transgender is not a scientific term. A question must be done without hurting anybody, and in such case... there are needed more explanation about the correct way to express a scientific formula. There is not a good way to answer a wrong formed question by ignorance. If this term is used to not damage or been polite to possible, but not necessarily, disable person... the question need to be stopped and corrected.
How is this even a debate?
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There’s Male Leagues/Competitions and there’s Female Leagues/Competitions… now we need to add Weirdo Leagues/Competitions! 😂 💪 I need to move my Wife and Kids to another planet! 🤦🏻♂️
Ew, get a life
What indurance sports that a man doesn't have an advantage over?
Science is overrated 😛
The issue I have here is that we are discussing trans athletes only in the context that they have already gone through male puberty before transitioning. If trans athletes are allowed puberty blockers, delaying or preventing initial puberty, then WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
if they want it so bad, they should make thar one league
True except, republicans simultaneously say that it’s abuse of the kid to let the parents and doctor let a kid take those hormone-blockers… so there is the dilemma.
@@blackout07blue I say let them make thar own league like what women did so at least they will stop whining about not being included
Most men keep their male bits, that's why their testosterone levels are well beyond what any healthy woman can produce.
But, whatever. If they took something that damaged their healthy bodies and make them unable to compete against other men, that was their choice.
You won't let a 20 years old to participate in the 60+ category, even if that 20 years old smoke like a chimney and had bad lungs due his own choices.
@jackjames7283 The problem is, just like abortion, it's not up to men to decide and trans women are men saying they want to compete against women and it should be up to the real women if they agree to that or not, not men or Transwomen.
Propaganda
It’s supporting your position, goofy.
Nothing wrong with transgender in sports as long as they create a transgender league. Then all problems go away. I will not watch them, but I support their right to try.
Thank you!!
Hoo boy! You really want to go down this road, huh ESPN?
I blame the Obamas
You mean Obama and big Mike?
Republican values
For what 😂 the existence of trans people who have existed & been documented in almost every society in human history?
stop pretending you care about womens sports commenters.
Stop pretending like you care about tranny rights😂😂😂
No one cares so stop searching
Losers need to complain about something, even if its the rights of women athletes they hate on in every other video 😩
@@winonafrog they hate on trans people cus the only thing they hate more than women is trans woken
@@winonafrogok groomer