That's basically most humans. Even myself. It's actually a survival technique to respond positively to those who support our ideology, while avoiding those who could present a threat. You might think we'd have moved on after thousands of years...
My tactic is to exaggerate, in a bombastic and exaggerated fashion, in the following way: "Oh my God! That's exactly right, boy you hit the nail right on the head, no doubt about it! It's like you're in my head or something! I mean WOW! You even got all the punctuation down with your inflection, and I have to hand it to you, wow, yup exactly down to the last molecule, a precise word for word rendition of not only what I said but what I meant by it, which by the way is exactly what I said. " Then I sit back beaming smugly at them because I called them a liar in a very sarcastic way. Nobody wants to argue with me anymore after that. Nasty, I know, but it has been several years since I realized there is no way to convert a fanatic so the best you can do is cut the interaction to a minimum and hope they die soon.
@@hees0009 That's just straight up confirmation bias though and doesn't save you at all from the ramifications of the Dunning-Kruger effect. You can be in danger of being manipulated and your confidence exploited before you even know it, you won't see it coming because you were so sure you were right and now you're too embarrassed to be wrong.
she was just trying to make sure she understands whats hes implying, because Peterson's arguements most of the time werent consistent enough to serve the premise
Tip #1 with aggressive questioning : Before answering, wait a couple of beats (while maintaining direct eye contact) then deliver your point clearly. Yes, slowing down the tempo vs. the aggressor's rapid pace works beautifully. Tip # 2 You don't have to answer every question. A stare down with an aggressor makes you supremely powerful. Watch them squirm. People HATE silence. Tip # 3 Say "We're done here".. and walk away.
This level of verbal manipulative (passive) aggression makes life impossible for those with language processing disorder. I’ve honestly stopped talking to many people, bc it’s overwhelming & exhausting to talk those who want to make you ‘wrong’ instead of actually listening to what you say. Thank you for strategies to deal with it 🙏🏼🌺
Yes silence is more powerful and it saves you a lot of hassle, it’s the ego that loves to be right and the more you’re aware of that the less other peoples opinions bother you
Yeah, when i argue with people, Ibget unpatient that they wont realize that they're wrong, or that im right, and they just keep babbling ao that they can somehow make themselves right, or make me wrong
It really gives you the upper hand if you are laid back and patient when the other person is attacking you. It wrong foots them because they wanted to make you angry and it doesn't work. I had a boss do that when I was representing another worker's interest. I just sat back patiently and let him vent his anger until he ran out of steam. Then I calmly asked him if we could discuss the subject now he had got that off his chest. Needless to say I walked out of that room with everything I went in there to get, and the worker was delighted that I had won for him. If you lose your rag, you are going to lose the argument, and that boss knew that. So did Cathy Newman. If Jordan had lost his rag at any moment she would have made mincemeat out of him.
This. I had witnessed a classmate (who was actually a real b!$%# under the surface, which I clued into long before) go about doing exactly what this woman did to another classmate with whom I was on friendly terms with. This was in college, and the professor for that class had actually gone to the effort to get them to explain to each other clearly exactly what they were saying. Too bad the girl went and spread bull about her behind her back a day later in another class, all because she was an insecure piece of work (I pity her boyfriend, though). I really hate when people pull stuff like this because they're essentially putting words in your mouth that you didn't say just to get under your skin. It's one of the reasons *why* I absolutely dislike arguing with people, especially if they're never going to admit that they're the ones who are full of it.
A decent pause before answering questions given to you is VERY valuable. It shows many things. Chief among these- you care about the question enough to give a thoughtful answer that you believe in. Wether or not the other agrees with you is insignificant. If it does, its no longer a Q and A. Its an argument.
Jordan declaring, "gotcha" was actually a gracious way of breaking the tension by lightening it up a bit. He could have annihilated her and let her stew in her embarrassment.
He actually felt bad about not being able to refrain himself from saying that. He has explained several times that there he lost the opportunity to have an actual intellectual conversation based on that topic. He could have redirected the "debate" to what he pursues, logical expositions. Instead he himself admitted later that he lost his temper there and with it, the gateway to completely change the discussion.
@@Jayako12 i really doubt that this conversation actually could have turned into an honest, intellectual debate. Not under these circumstances. Even if she started to understand and maybe even agree to what he was saying, which to an extent i think she started to do at that very moment, there is no way she would have abandoned her agenda while being on live TV. In a private conversation? Possibly, but not in this situation.
I thought the gotcha was actually him being very kind and helping her out of a floundering silence by making a joke of it. That he had indeed won the point was obvious to all, no need to do the gotcha on that. Does anyone agree with me on this?
I think I agree with you. I know Jordan said that he regretted saying it because he thinks that if he hadn't he could have moved the discussion into something productive instead of it going back into being adversarial but as you say, the gotcha released the tension of her becoming speechless after she realized she wasn't making sense. It's hard to know what could have been if Jordan had let it go to an awkward silence while she regrouped.
@@RandomCarrot2806 That's interesting. Although her style was very confrontational, I'm not sure she'd have changed it. She didn't seem well prepared for his academic style, I suppose she's used to interviewing politicians, who run a mile if a journalist hints that they're being anti feminist
@@nicolab2075 excellent point. And edit, I definitely agree he's not usually ever as interested in owning anyone as others are, which is the point of the guy making the video I'm sure.
Let's add the fact that he have a PHD in Clinical Psychologist, and was a Post Doctoral researcher (in the same matter) for 3 more years, and been the author and co-author of more of 100 academic researches.
Watching this conversation progress actualy hilighted to me that I already do effectively recognise and confront these pitfalls and traps in everyday conversation without having to intentionally watch out for them as such .which comes naturaly if you really are listening to what others say to you and consider being precise about your wording before you speak .i think that it follows that if you practise trying to convey to people in conversation exactly what you mean then you do also look carefully at their wording to ascertain its validity in the context that they're being applied. The ones that you should walk away from and disregard are those who have to be right now matter the level of denial that they have to embed themselves in to do it .I know one person at least ,an older guy i work with who is so set in his own ways that he reacts defensively, to even rather shallow depth that I present in my points of view. That ."So your saying phrase "! Coupled with a strongly dismissive attitude. But it isn't about what I'm saying at all ,and is really about him choosing not to listen properly because he cannot cope with the complication of details .being drawn into discussing details that butt up against his frustration and impatience seem to be the true cause of the issue .
I always thought: people that won't let you talk, will twist your words ect, don't actually believe in their own arguments. Peterson knows that he's right so he'll just let his interlocutors talk until they imminently contradict themselves.
@@emmanuellelarocque9440 The narrator is right....it's conversational bullying. Sometimes overt, but often sneaky or veiled. They aren't there to listen to your point of view or learn something. It's like a battle for them. I see so much of that in TH-cam comments. I think most of us just react with anger and maybe get flustered and deny whatever accusation is being thrown. Jordan is very good at not allowing people to get a rise out of him. Instead, you can usually see them getting annoyed. It's very enjoyable to watch.
Jordan stays calm the majority of the time because he knows that he has stats and research to back his opinion. Which is why in all of his interviews and debates, he always asks the other person to present the evidence and they rarely ever do
@@nexpro6118 I think he has a sort of confidence in what he is saying because he has already thought it all over very thoroughly at some point. His business seems to be thinking and analyzing and trying to come to grips with how things are connected and how they work. And it is also instruction and enabling others to understand, which equips him to defend what he says. Even so, he will pause and consider, in case there are other possibilities, before he responds. The people he debates are seldom so prepared.
@@dodieodie498 very well said...and with that said, I think most people who debate with feelings and the sense of having a higher morally superiority just personally attack the other person because he and or she cannot rely on facts and stats.
That is what free speech is about... I can silence one person but that doesn't mean that i won... I just silenced that person... I didn't actually won...
Winning an argument or debate is subjective. Each person will always say that they won the debate. Majority of people want there personal views and beliefs to just be fact without evidence.
Exactly right !! Cos, you hear the awkward silence and then you're thinking, 'someone help here'...and than the true knight in armour Peterson comes to this woman's aide.
I wouldn't say she is a bully, but rather, this is her job - she needs to interrogate, question and command soundbites from the interview. Yes, she may personally agree with much of what she is saying, but there are times where she needs to play devil's advocate. That is how I see it anyway.
Jerome . HAHA! thats a good point.. But I don't Think Cathy's saying things Out of context, over simplifications, misrepresentations and misleading are form of intellectual interrogation.. Cathy is a Bully its her Job to do so.. She is no Devils advocate. She is just Dumb. Seriously Just watch the "Lobster" part.. You will see her Level of Intelligence.
Jerome.. She is misleading and misrepresenting what Jordan had said.. ANd that is what bully always do. Then once you trap and defeat the bully. They play as a Victim in which is what she did.. She even claim that the Jordan Fans will gonna harass her.
Name one person in this world who wants to talk to her? I bet she got divorced after this interview lol and she should. This woman needs mental help asap
@10:18 It did help prove his persuasive case. Remember he was not attempting to persuade Cathy. He was debating in front of an audience. And he was able to get her to concede defeat.
Interviewer: "Are you religious" Peterson: "Depends on what you mean by religious" Interviewer: "Do you believe in the Bible" Peterson: "Depends on what you mean by the Bible" Interviewer: "Are you a man capable of answering questions" Peterson: "Depends on what you mean about man, capable, answering and questions" Yup. You Peterson fanbois love to make fun of women like pathetic incels. Yet your hero is equally pathetic as the women you attack.
Libtards love this phrase, they absolutely do. I’ve encountered this illogical phrase countless times - whenever I try to get a point across, they just throw it at me.
It's the tone in which they say it, clearly Newman was trying to entrap Peterson, but you could say the same thing in an ordinary conversation and it would be fine.. Newman was clearly looking for straw for her strawman though
What an interesting presentation. Mr. Peterson is someone who deserves to be listened to. He is usually interesting but will often stray from what could actually be a straight answer. No harm no foul. A direct approach as a response will often lead to a mid point where both can come away with something that they both can live with; even if it may appear as a truce. He is a sensitive and easily offended person. He often becomes defensive where no offense is worth noting. Generally the best approach here is to back away and search for an answer that brings you onto a common ground. When someone is clearly offended by an answer, they would be better served by disengaging from any opposition. Better to change the direction of the conversation where your response will deflect the point of view of the questioner rather than starting a debate with them. Once the discussion has turned that way, there will be nothing gained by continuing. Before continuing as before, one might profit greatly by stepping back and observing where things may have gone wrong. The quickest way to evaluate the situation might be to search for another approach while remembering the Teaching of Sun Tzu. When caught in a standoff it may be best to withdraw from the situation and wait for the tide to change.
Do not share your opinion. At all. Found Mr. Peterson a powerhouse. Her a shameless bullying teenager. Mr. Peterson handled this conversation like a pro. Like the best pro. If he would be so easily offended, this conversation would have gotten out of hand totally, since she was only there to offend. So no, your thoughts are not a reflection of what actually happened here. Seems that 'Sun Tzu' teaching is not the best. You didn't learn.
The smile originates at the upper lip area. It’s almost like a scowl. It says “I can’t stand you but I’m still going to be civil “. His smile is the most overt action to contempt for the interviewer.
did what exactly?? debate your different POVs? answer all your questions in a civilized manner? or prove she was right while simultaneously proving you two actually did agree on the basis of the concepts? i guess i dont see "the problem"... unless of course the problem is that you simply cant handle different ways of thinking and are threatened by the challenge of a different frame of view. hmm, the world may never know.
@@calimorysquid nah I still think she doesn't see the problem with this lady's way of communicating. There's actually a lot of information in the breakdown, and it goes quick. But nonetheless, the narrator breaks it down the way that the interviewer is manipulating the conversation. And unfortunately this person doesn't see it. I used to be very passive aggressive, and aggressive, myself, with my communication. Trust me, if you don't see what's wrong, and you ever want to have meaningful relationships, I suggest rewatching the video to see where he points out the ways she is manipulating the conversation. I suggest to them that they rewatch this video, and listen to try and learn from it.
Interesting vide,. My relationship of 5 years ended a month ago. The love of my life decided to leave me, I really love her so much I can’t stop thinking about her, I’ve tried my very best to get her back in my life, but to no avail, I’m frustrated, I don’t see my life with anyone else. I’ve done my best to get rid of the thoughts of her, but I can’t, I don’t know why I’m saying this here, I really miss her and just can’t stop thinking about her
its difficult to let go of someone you love, i was in a similar situation, my relationship of 12 years ended, but i couldnt just let him go,i did all i could to get him back, i had to seek the help of a spiritual counselor who helped me bring him back
Tread Softly ! I am perhaps not watching through your eyes! But he is sitting in a semi aggressive posture, indicating “He will be right, whatever” attitude! He should have strived well before he did to create equilibrium through both his posture, attitude and response to the inquirer with a communicative response not a rehearsed slap down. Nothing is improved about the Male strut through that Big brave Male attitude...to my mind he reduced his altitude and maybe should acquire some further pacification training? Male--Observer RDR
@@1SpudderR Jordan's "semi aggressive posture" doesn't justify her negative response. If she thought he was being aggressive, she still could have looked past his attitude and gone on to make the interview as pleasant as possible. But she didn't try to improve the interview, he did. That's why Jordan is in the right. Jordan could have handled it better, for sure, but I think you're reading into his posture a bit too much. Also, what does RDR mean?
Colin Kennedy Look.....Why does the Male need any sort of aggressive posture...unless he is subconsciously insecure, and the interviewer achieves maybe one of her goals.......Communication, which would have been declined from the outset........Because of his aggressive base attitude.....90 % Of Reading a person is from the visual perception awareness delivered to the subconscious.....and the receiver of that is unaware...ie their subconscious which then gets delivered into the Conscious transfer of attempted communication.......All because of this somebody’s! projected attitude from incorrect posture. Training seems to be required On his empathy, perhaps a good second starting point. RDR Keep guessing on what RDR means though?!
He may have deserved it, but doing the same thing the other person does is never the right move when it comes to winning anyone over. It only is on their same level - humiliating and demoralizing them. It wasn't in good taste, but everyone makes mistakes. Overall, he still did an excellent job - certainly much better than many others do.
I saw it as more of an ironic "gotcha" like he wasn't trying to do that, but he's happy he got her to see his side without belittling her. If he could've taken control of the interview back right there and said something like how he didn't actually want to have a "gotcha" moment, and he's happy she's seeing his side, it would've made him out to have taken the high road and still beat her.
@@CHIEF__ Jordan was playing with her. He has treated 100's of women the carbon copy of *Katty,* the most telling part of the whole interview was when JP said; "I suspect that your unpleasantness has served YOU very well over the years" Katty's rep; "Yes.... YES it has in fact" JP was gentle with her, because he knows just how mentally fragile she truly IS.
Well, it may have been uncomfortable, but for Peterson, that kind of conversation adds to his total understanding of humanity, so he is still glad that it happened.
Just stumbled onto your content and this is great stuff. As someone who suffered from social anxiety from a young age, it's taken a huge blow to my ability to communicate effectively during contention. I'll have to dive deeper into each of these concepts to get a better understanding. Thank you!
@John Galt But she did save her position by a strategy I'd call, 'taking the hit. She's a bit stronger by admitting she's taken damage and that allow you to like her a little bit......'>.......
Agreed. It contrasted so sharply in tone with the rest of the interview that it made him come across as a lot less combative. He gave her an exit out of a tough situation where his silence could have just forced her to change the subject or apologise for making him feel uncomfortable.
I mean at the end of the day they're both professionals and should look out for each other every now and then despite their different views. I think Jordan momentarily kinda felt that empathy given it is her show. It would've been incredibly awkward if they both just kept silent while she takes the blow and tries to stutter her way back in. Props to Jordan for recognising that.
I think that's the most telling thing about this 'interview'. Every question she asked of him was just a warped and twisted regurgitation of a valid point he'd made that she simply couldn't accept or understand. It was't so much an interview as a hit piece. You could tell in the way that she shotgunned questions she was reading from her tablet that she didn't care about answers, merely wanted to hurl accusations at him.
The "gotcha" was a human reaction. Jordan has said that before the interview, Cathy was very polite to him and they were having a nice conversation. Once the interview started, she switched from having a conversation into a pre-defined character with motives other than just seeking the truth. She is not trying to have a conversation with Jordan, she is trying to create sound bites and achieve some sort of victory over him. The gotcha was from having to be patient and put up with this nonsense and knocked her completely out of the character that she had been playing. Frankly, he was a lot more polite than 99% of the rest of us would have been.
That isn't new. Most talk shows do this to their guests. They would purposely agitate the guests behinds the scenes; once they get up on air, the guests would be in a bad mood. Shows that do this are Dr. Phil, Ellen show, Tyra banks show, 90 days fiance, etc. Drama=entertainment=money
Yes, very polite she was.... I like how she complimented him often and never tried to vilify him at all. She's the perfect example of someone who is ABSOLUTELY IN NOW WAY a misandrist... Not one bit!!! Not at all!!! uh uh... NO sir!!!
probably not an idea, more of an habit and intuitive behaviours (just learned what's usually effective by intuitive trial and error over years and got into the habit of practicing it)
In my experience, the people who talk over you refuse to listen because they're terrified of the fact that you may be right and they may be wrong. That terror manifests in frantic anger, which is why ignorant people are so frustrating to talk with.
This video is montaged in a way that makes her seem like a bully (if I had to decide whether she really was or not, I'd say she was), but we lack context. The cuts are way too short.
Another way to describe their word choice. Notice that most of their main statements are directed at you, acknowledging YOUR thoughts, YOUR decisions. Good highlights in this video, you brought up some great examples. I noticed the same issues with salesmen, and I hate it when they do that. One of my main points to teach people when they "debate" points, is to listen to your "opponent". You will often find we share ideas, concepts and knowledge. Finding these shared ideas, are the beginning of reaching an agreement. Remember, debates are not necessarily conducted to "win". They are to find common ground. Convince the other side.
She is absolutely renowned for doing that as are most feminists as quite often they don't want to hear the answer as it will not fit with their agenda.
@@robinkoci7227 That's just sad. If you are clearly wrong, it will come out in discussion. They seem afraid to be proven wrong. Show this to them. Re-evaluate your tactics. What you're doing makes your position look less correct because you're attempting to shut someone else out of the conversation, pre-emptively. Take a moment and THINK.
He is a psychologist and is the hardest man to argue with, and her entire game plan was to try make him slip up with what he’s saying and get him to twist his words, it was a televised slaughter fest and she didn’t even come close
Jordan peterson isn't a good debater, he's an excellent public speaker if you already agree with him tho... but as soon as he's on stage with any one that has experience with public debates he's made a fool of... like the debate with Matt dillihunty
@Luc Germain it's actually not, for example let's look at what made him internet famous, his critique of Bill c13. The bill didn't say what he claimed it too... he was hyperbolic about the imitations than none of which came true, he's absolutly out of his depth when he talks about religion and atheism, his comments on lobsters arnt true in the way he describes it or relates it to how people interact... he constantly spews word salad, sounds smart but he doesn't actually back up most of what he says... there is a reason he's considered a joke now by most people familiar with him but not a follower...
Bingo!!! Peterson: Womens individual choices effect how much money they make Interviewer: So you are saying that you hate women and will actively try to keep them down financially and eliminate women's personal choices...................
How do most of you guys make so much wealth, I'm just curious about the whole process. I still haven't figured out what to invest in yet. Somebody once told me "It costs you more to be poor." 🤯
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Yes he’s old and experienced. Young and unexperienced people would maybe get aggresive. Jordan just needed to always explain how it actually is and so it made her like complete fockibg clown, when she every single time went for reason misunderstand him.
That too, but I think his confidence comes from his understanding of his logic. He fully knows what he's talking about and is intelligent enough to know what other person is talking about.
He did handle this interview brilliantly but he has later said that it had been extremely stressful for him to go through it, and that it took him a couple of days to recover emotionally from it. He is brave and smart, but human nevertheless.
This is golden. You sound like a younger adult- you knocked it out of the park. I have heard older adults fall short. I’m excited to look through more of your videos. Thank you!
The “gotcha” was intentional. Jordan talked about this interview on Joe Rogan’s podcast. Cathy was super friendly and polite in the green room before airing, putting him at ease, then intentionally turned and tried to frame him poorly during it. She was trying to set him up to look like the straw man she was constructing. He hit her with that because there was no chance of her finding common ground with him. She was intentionally refusing to. It was a jab back at her to make her choke up on trying to use that gotcha tactic herself.
Actually she came in the room and pretty much declared "war" before the interview even started so he went in the interview already on the defensive. Its on a JRE clips about the interview.
I think Jordan's "Gotcha" moment at the end was almost involuntary. This interviewer had been attacking him relentlessly with the obvious intention of making him look bad. Getting her to stop her attacks and have her acknowledge that she agrees with him, he would experience a moment of jubilation and relief. Yes, he played it cool throughout the interview, but that doesn't mean he wasn't experiencing pressure and maybe a little bit of anger at being misrepresented.
J B I agreed with you. Jordan seem calm but the look in his eyes will warned you, you’ve been pushing to hard on your twisting lies over me, I love that gotcha moment
I say, "In order for you to understand me, I need to understand what it is that you're trying so desperately to ask me. Slow down, let me understand, then let me speak freely."
The goal of this interview was to destroy him; I don't feel bad for her at all. He used what she so proudly displayed, against her - in a sense showed the audience she was a complete hypocrite and ideological lunatic. When she saw herself exposed, she had no retort. Well done! Bye Felicia!
I think Jordan's "gotcha!" comment was more playful and enjoying the debate, trying to get the interviewer to relax. It's such a silly phrase, and he's so eloquent. I think it was an attempt to lighten the mood.
I think he later said that he regretted saying that although it’ll take me ever to find the source of that. He’s done a number of post Kathy-roast blogs/ discussions, so it may be there.
Exactly. Jordan Peterson mastered the interview and that "gotcha" was a highest peak. Using strong argument, his endless experience and knowledge, Peterson piece by piece crumbles Cathy into a state where she eventually had to restart herself. A kind of ctrl + alt + delete.
People are NOT going to look up Scriptures. Nor have Any Idea Whatsoever, what you are talking about. If you want to say something, say it. Use the actual words. Now this is blown away by the wind. Missed opportunity.
I learned a lot time ago that it’s okay to be wrong and the sooner you can accept that your argument is invalid, the sooner you can learn about the truth. Ask questions, inform yourself, it’s okay to have been wrong. It’s not the end of your intelligence, it’s the start of your growth.
if somebody can explain why your opinion is wrong, there's no shame in that and if you dont have a fixed position to defend then you literally have nothing to lose. Self-importance is your worst enemy (and mine ! )
@@jensbang5923 He’s amazing & bitter little Chatty Cathy is going to be 60 & alone with her cat one day - wondering how her pathetic empty life got there…🤷🏽♂
I wonder how Cathy Newman feels about being shown to be the perfect example of a passive agressive bully by a very calm, reasonable, and respectful man who clearly is her intellectual superior.
Cathy Newman was completely humiliated in this debate. I watched a lot of debates, but I have never seen such a clear victory ever. Peterson handled this situation extraordinary. Newman was speechless and devastated.
@Bill Carson That's quite a sweeping generalisation (im tired of everyone who makes these no matter what group their in) you have fall all the millions of members of the left! that they all have no principles, you seem incredibly ignorant to have such a black and right mindset when it comes to your ideology and outlook, If you expect the left to have an open mind you need to try it yourself for once.
@Bill Carson Saying everyone In the context I used it is referring to everyone who actually has done something which is not a generalisation. Not only can we stop generalising by simply! acknowledging not everything is so clack and white and using language to reflect that such as those/some/ most etc but even when this is not an option it is no justification for the use of extremely ridiculous, absurd not to mention highly judgmental not to mention wrong sweeping generalisations such as you saying all members of the left lack any principles! As for the political spectrum its complicated and their are no easy answers but I do know the extremes of both are bad also one party states have definitely been shown to be bad. / you can never entirely get rid of the concept of government force to handle necessary situations Ie you are forced to fund the military. police, fire services I mean things are sometimes needed for society to function its just about how much but stop acting like its just a concept that only will even exist with the left. also major concept of conservatives is that tradition trumps everything and that's a problem for me because traditionally slavery was ok/ the US was ruled by England etc tradition isn't good just by its nature, you have to judge individual things on its merit but people won't do that because their too busy picking sides.
So now asking questions is not sincere? If somone asks “So what you’re saying is...?” then the adult answer might be “No, what I was really saying is__________________."
@@aikido7 So, what you're saying is that ALL questions are sincere simply by being asked? This lady interviewer was over the top with the hidden accusations and straw man presuppositions.
@@wade5941 Keepin things on the level and being specific are as necessity. Whenever you are seduced by the urge to say “You’re over the top,” “You are making hidden accusations [and strawman arguments] is not going to be effective. Even Jordan Peterson doesn’t do THAT.
@@aikido7 But, she was "over the top" with her hidden accusations and strawman arguments and Mr. Peterson appropriately nailed her for it. Definitely not effective. I would hope she would learn from that mistake and instead keep things on the level and be specific in the future. I'm not Jordan Peterson and neither are you.
@@wade5941 “...I'm not Jordan Peterson and neither are you.” Absolustely correct. BTW, I worked as a mediator for 7 years and later I was employed as a cancer tech on a ward for end-stage patients [which involved many conversations about treatment & end of life issues wirh dying pateints and their families. When I was a parent I knew I wanted to raise my daughter so that I could effectively talk to her so she could listen and to effectly listen to her when she talked. I used to think she had a real problem when she left her room in a state of Defcon One. But actually it was *I* who had the problem. Her socks lying on the floor triggered my annoyance and anger. Clearly, had to be more aware of my own language. If I said “You’re a pig. You leave your clothes everywhere!” she would define herself as a pig. [When I leave things on the floor, then I’m a pig]. If I said instead, “I sure get annoyed when there are socks on the floor. Are you willing to help us both keep your room neat and pleasant to be in?” [Then she would think “Dad is frustrated”].
I say that talking to women is a waste of time and even dangerous to men every day and I mean it, women know that they can lie about you and spread it all over town and a man can be arrested after having done nothing wrong and they say you can't hit a woman. Today's women are dangerous and they know it they use our judicial system like a club and you better be able to duck.
I love this! You had the luxury of calm contemplative analysis after the fact. If you could do this in the middle of her wretched performance , well then you could pretty much win any debate. But I would have to memorize what you said and then then STUDY STUDY TO SEE IT IN THE CONTEXT AND THINK, THINK HOW I MYSELF, COULD DO THE SAME. But thanks for the demo….well done. What do they teach them in COLLEGE THESE DAY?!?!!!
@Marcos 989 OK, let me just clarify, cathy Newman in my opinion is a fantastic journalist and a brilliant anchor. I've admired much of her work . Incredibly thorough, she really does her homework if I was a guest on the show, particularly a controversial guest, make no mistake I'd be shaking in my shoes. However in this particular interview she failed, I don't know what happened , I don't know. Let's just say I hope she learned from this experience. We all have our fine moments and our regrettable moments and this was one of hers. I'll end this by saying Cathy is still one of my favourite journalists she's also fair and tries to see both sides of an argument not all journalists do. I hope this clarifies my point of view
Every time I come across this video, I want to leave a thank you comment, so finally I do... Thank you, I think this is one of your best episodes, and something everyone should watch at least once, hands down
I remember something like this happening to me back in college. I was eating lunch with some of my fellow math tutors when I made an off-hand remark that had something to do with women's brains having larger language processing centers than men's. Immediately after saying that, the girl sitting next to me (also a math tutor) barked at me, "there's no evidence that men are better at math than women!" Caught off guard, my mind raced to come up with a counter argument. After a second of contemplation, it dawned on me that I didn't actually believe men were inherently better at math and never said anything to that effect. I slowly turned to look at her and calmly asked, "when did I say anything about math?" She immediately backed off, finished her meal in silence, and left about five minutes later. And GOSH DARN did it ever feel good! Oh yeah, and don't lose your cool or whatever...
"Oh yeah, and don't lose your cool or whatever..." That is kind of the basis to begin with. People who are attacking you verbally want you to embarass yourself and therefore one should stay calm, relaxed and listen carefully to the opposite's questions or statements about yourself and verify their value and truth.
But men are... On average - better at math, just as women are, ON AVERAGE, better at language. Because as you mentioned it - how the average brain is wired between the sexes.
@ZacharusTV.... Thanks for that contribution. Can you help me out with these please? Someone talking while you are speaking (when it is clearly your turn to speak in a conversation or a debate), Someone trying to shut you up by speaking into your sentence. Someone asks you a question and then right as you open your mouth to answer the person speaks on you? What is the effective way to coil off these verbal attacks in these kind of situations without getting youself into trouble? Thanks in advance.
kofiata ata Remain silent until they are through ranting or interrupting. Then calmly say, "Have you finished now?" If they say yes, you respond with "Thank you, I'll finish my point." If they refuse to say yes, just keep listening until they stop. Don't respond to their point. Just come back again with "Have you finished now?" Eventually, they will realize that you won't tolerate the bullying. They will either stop or move on to an easier target.
She really deserved it lol after she kept trying to stab him, that gotcha was all he needed to finish the job. She created it and it backfired. The beauty of it is how much weight that one word had lol
Yeah, it was the one provocative move from his side. While it does go against his usual approach of not making people look stupid however, I think it was still a bit different: More along the lines of a teacher teasing "do you see what I mean now?" after the student inadvertently demonstrated the teacher's point. (For those wondering, it's at 10:00.)
Even tho I liked the 3 seconds she didn't speak, I don't think she was even listening to what he was saying. I think she was listening to her director on the earpiece and waiting for a response.
This is an excellently clear, step-by-step analysis of how adversarial discussions get twisted and toxified, and how the process should be managed. I have no place in my heart for Jordan Peterson, whom I generally dislike, but he provides a perfect example of skilful "driving" here.
"If you actually want to understand somebody's position, then you will always be interested in their efforts to clarify it. But what we're noticing in our discourse, is people don't really want to understand your position. They want to catch you saying something that can be construed in the worst possible way and then hold you to it, and then they claim to understand what you think better than you do." - Sam Harris
If she was interviewing Kim Jong Un, I'm pretty sure you'd think she is doing a damn good job. In my eyes, she did her work splendidly. In normal conversation however, she'd be a huge red flag giving off narcissistic vibes
I've watched the interview several times, though with your help this is the first time I see just how quickly he responded to her poop. Thanks, and thumbs up again Jordan.
I was a witness in a court trial about 20 years ago,and the defence lawyer did the "so you're saying..." And everytime I said "no..." And repeated my original answer. After his 7th or 8th attempt the judge stepped in and "clearly the witness is far too intelligent to fall for bully tactics"
@@tomatojuice484 I was there as well and every word he said was true. The witness and the Judge kissed and got married, then rode on the back of horses into the sunset.
Nah the gotcha was unnecessary. It was all perfect but the gotcha (as noted in the video) made her feel silly so she went back on teh defensive. It was the crucial moment where empathy was about to flourish but it got squashed by Jordan's size 12 gotcha-boot.
@@Etcher Empathy was never going to be an outcome of that interview. Cathy Newman was trying to set Peterson up just as many other interviewers have done. Maybe the gotcha was unnecessary but i dont think any other approach would have gotten a better result. Other interviews with similar interviewers shows that.
Contrary to where the presenters says how the “Ha Gotcha” weakened Dr. Peterson’s argument. I believe he actually said that to release the tension as a mood lightening joke. Which is actually helping Kathy move past her moment of speechless fumblement. To a outside observer it may seem like a jab while she’s down but to her it was a kind opportunity to re establish the flow of conversation and save face.
There’s always the good old fashioned response, “if you don’t like the answer, then don’t ask the question.” Another great response I occasionally use when someone says, “I don’t believe you.” I respond with, “what you believe or don’t believe is your problem, not mine.”
Jordan Peterson handled the questioning brilliantly. It was a set up, he spotted that very early on in the interview. He said afterwards that before the recording stated that Cathy was very friendly and conversational, and so he knew something was up within the first minute as her style changed to a combative approach. A lesser person, myself included, would have lost their temper, but Jordan held it together and answered all the questions factually. I have to say, the type of interview technique Cathy uses does nobody any favours, regardless what cause they are fighting. Get well Jordan, we miss you!
Agree with most you're saying. However, it did help Channel 4 News. Its audience probably has never been as engaged as during this TH-cam video (look at views & comments of video). Probably at the expense of Cathy Newman's reputation though plus also that the discusison got even more heated for the general public. Jordan defo succesfully promoted his book.
These are not at all INTERVIEWS, they are POLITICAL BIASED DEBATES , PRETENDING to be INTERVIEWS that INSTEAD OF INQUIRING TRUTH, WISH TO CONVEY THE AGENDA/ NARRATIVE they've already PRE DETERMINED.
This 'technique' is simply a waste of time. Jordan Peterson is, in my view, an extraordinary thinker. I believe history will treat him very kindly - as a psychologist, I would not be surprised if, in future, he is revered, thought about and studied somewhat like Jung is today. Also, in the future, people will look back on the radical leftist ideology that has taken over so much of the West, and think 'what the hell got into so many people?' Newman is an example of that sort of ideology. And instead of using her time with Peterson to explore his fascinating ideas, she mindlessly attacked him. A bit like a journalist interviewing Einstein about his theories, whilst being ignorant of them, being very attached to Newtonian ideas, and smearing what he says about curved spacetime (and so forth) as some kind of crazy nonsense.
It constantly amazes me when people with no actual knowledge take him on verbally. No matter the subject area, if you tell me the person with whom I am talking spent decades thinking about and teaching a subject at the university level I am going to think long and hard about anything before I say it.
Peterson's "gotcha" was a lifeline thrown to his opponent who at that moment had nothing to keep herself afloat which is why she grabbed onto it so quickly and agreeably stating "you have got me!". His complete silence would have been the brutal response but Peterson chose to break the tension for her, not increase it.
On point assertion. Had he been malevolent, he'd just sit there and watch her twist in agony, desperately trying to find a way to climb out of the hole she dug herself in. But Petersson is much too kind of a human to let that happen.
Good point. It's easy to digest and disect now, but for me, he could have brought her into this way of thinking and helped her to embrace it, not by saying "gotcha" but by saying something like "You're working this out, and that's ok...it's a new thing for you." But either way, good on him for remaining calm. I wasn't sure how I felt about JP the first few mins he was on Joe Rogan, but man, he is right about a lot of things.
@Marc "You're working this out, and that's ok...it's a new thing for you." You don't think that is condescending AF? Its the definition passive aggressive. I would have thrown my water at someone who said some stupid shit like that. Its basically saying that you are smarter than the person you are talking to and that you forgive them for not having thought an entire premise through before. It would be less offensive to laugh in someone's face and call them a dumb ass after they commit a logical fallacy. Semper Fi
One powerful move to turn an opposant into a neutral position is to help him when he is stunned, such as in the ''gotcha'' moment. You can propose a ''lighter version'' of his argument in a question form to help him get back on track. Like: ''Well, by that, did you meant [her argument, remodeled] ?''. It will give that person some space to recompose himself and realign his position without you even agreeing. Then his choice would be to continue in that way or refute it. Voluntarily giving ammo to your adversary earn you some respect and can drastically change the tone of the debate from opposants who want victory to mutual contributors who search truth from different perspectives. Whatever the outcome, he will now be less inclined to make aggressive assumptions. Beneficials debates are not the result of persuasion but mutual understanding, given both parties are reasonable.
I love the statement someone made years ago. "People don't want to hear your opinion. They want their opinion to come out of your mouth."
That's basically most humans. Even myself. It's actually a survival technique to respond positively to those who support our ideology, while avoiding those who could present a threat. You might think we'd have moved on after thousands of years...
My tactic is to exaggerate, in a bombastic and exaggerated fashion, in the following way: "Oh my God! That's exactly right, boy you hit the nail right on the head, no doubt about it! It's like you're in my head or something! I mean WOW! You even got all the punctuation down with your inflection, and I have to hand it to you, wow, yup exactly down to the last molecule, a precise word for word rendition of not only what I said but what I meant by it, which by the way is exactly what I said. " Then I sit back beaming smugly at them because I called them a liar in a very sarcastic way. Nobody wants to argue with me anymore after that. Nasty, I know, but it has been several years since I realized there is no way to convert a fanatic so the best you can do is cut the interaction to a minimum and hope they die soon.
@airlockengage agreed.
@@ramoncotta1264 that is radical bro!
@@hees0009 That's just straight up confirmation bias though and doesn't save you at all from the ramifications of the Dunning-Kruger effect. You can be in danger of being manipulated and your confidence exploited before you even know it, you won't see it coming because you were so sure you were right and now you're too embarrassed to be wrong.
Peterson: “What a clear, sunny day.”
Newman: “So you’re saying clouds have no right to be here?”
she was just trying to make sure she understands whats hes implying, because Peterson's arguements most of the time werent consistent enough to serve the premise
hahahahahaahaha the best comment ever ...she is insane
@@roye6961 I can't tell whether or not you're joking.
@@roye6961 How about answering then ?
@@roye6961 I really truly hope you were joking. Peterson literally could not have been clearer in his positions.
Peterson: “gotcha”
Newman: “so you’re saying that you now own me.”
😂
He DID own her
@Sirius Stark Al Ghul this comment popped up and before I recognized the thread, my initial thought was "what did I say now?"
Lmaoooo
@Sativa Rommola so what your saying is asia is incapable of engaging in underwater combat
Tip #1 with aggressive questioning : Before answering, wait a couple of beats (while maintaining direct eye contact) then deliver your point clearly. Yes, slowing down the tempo vs. the aggressor's rapid pace works beautifully.
Tip # 2 You don't have to answer every question. A stare down with an aggressor makes you supremely powerful. Watch them squirm. People HATE silence.
Tip # 3 Say "We're done here".. and walk away.
A pause is POWERFULLY
@@richeyrich2203powerfully what?
Powerfully radiant @@DrinkWater47
Silence is golden.
@DrinkWater47 you have too much time on your hands...powerfully. we aren't the typo police lol 😮
TH-cam: How to avoid embarassing yourself in an argument
"so you are saying that i embarrass myself in every argument??"
I know that I do
Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh powerful one, for whoever understand it
This comment is the winner.
I used too
Nice one
Him saying “gotcha” actually helped her. The awkward silence would have been much much worse for her.
Fact
Agree
But not the right move
Great point
So once again, he was being nice.
Jordan: "YES"
Kathy: "So you're saying NO?"
Jordan: "NO"
Kathy: exactly
Kathy every 10.0 seconds: "So you're saying..."
_Proceeds to say something which he never said._
@@sankalp2520 😂😂😂broo😂
@stefano Greco H. thnx mate😘😂
Laugh really hard with this one 🤣🤣
This level of verbal manipulative (passive) aggression makes life impossible for those with language processing disorder. I’ve honestly stopped talking to many people, bc it’s overwhelming & exhausting to talk those who want to make you ‘wrong’ instead of actually listening to what you say. Thank you for strategies to deal with it 🙏🏼🌺
Yes silence is more powerful and it saves you a lot of hassle, it’s the ego that loves to be right and the more you’re aware of that the less other peoples opinions bother you
The level of patience Peterson has is just out of this world.
Yeah, when i argue with people, Ibget unpatient that they wont realize that they're wrong, or that im right, and they just keep babbling ao that they can somehow make themselves right, or make me wrong
It's just common sence. He knows how visably getting angry makes you look and as psychology professor he knows exactly how anger works.
It really gives you the upper hand if you are laid back and patient when the other person is attacking you. It wrong foots them because they wanted to make you angry and it doesn't work. I had a boss do that when I was representing another worker's interest. I just sat back patiently and let him vent his anger until he ran out of steam. Then I calmly asked him if we could discuss the subject now he had got that off his chest. Needless to say I walked out of that room with everything I went in there to get, and the worker was delighted that I had won for him. If you lose your rag, you are going to lose the argument, and that boss knew that. So did Cathy Newman. If Jordan had lost his rag at any moment she would have made mincemeat out of him.
Yes being a woman myself I have to agree and I also would have to be tied to the chair!
I could not agree more! I so wish I had his level of patience!
Jordan: "I like dogs"
Kathy: "So you're saying that you hate cats?"
Every liberal everywhere. Freakin nut cases
Lmfao
Running or Jumping in excitement.
"So you are trying your level best to make the life of the disabled person miserable. Don't you ? "
@@spartan2906 haha on point
@@bgmagma10R We'd need to see substantial evidence for that. Especially when you state "every". Not most, not many, every. Please show the evidence.
Jordan: I.....
Cathy: So you're saying you're the only one?
hahaha! That was a good one Alana.
Good one Alana
This. I had witnessed a classmate (who was actually a real b!$%# under the surface, which I clued into long before) go about doing exactly what this woman did to another classmate with whom I was on friendly terms with. This was in college, and the professor for that class had actually gone to the effort to get them to explain to each other clearly exactly what they were saying. Too bad the girl went and spread bull about her behind her back a day later in another class, all because she was an insecure piece of work (I pity her boyfriend, though).
I really hate when people pull stuff like this because they're essentially putting words in your mouth that you didn't say just to get under your skin. It's one of the reasons *why* I absolutely dislike arguing with people, especially if they're never going to admit that they're the ones who are full of it.
we almost have the same name!
😂😂😂😂😂
A decent pause before answering questions given to you is VERY valuable. It shows many things. Chief among these- you care about the question enough to give a thoughtful answer that you believe in. Wether or not the other agrees with you is insignificant. If it does, its no longer a Q and A. Its an argument.
Jordan declaring, "gotcha" was actually a gracious way of breaking the tension by lightening it up a bit. He could have annihilated her and let her stew in her embarrassment.
Great point. He pulled her out of a hole there i thought.
He actually felt bad about not being able to refrain himself from saying that. He has explained several times that there he lost the opportunity to have an actual intellectual conversation based on that topic. He could have redirected the "debate" to what he pursues, logical expositions. Instead he himself admitted later that he lost his temper there and with it, the gateway to completely change the discussion.
@@Jayako12 i really doubt that this conversation actually could have turned into an honest, intellectual debate. Not under these circumstances. Even if she started to understand and maybe even agree to what he was saying, which to an extent i think she started to do at that very moment, there is no way she would have abandoned her agenda while being on live TV.
In a private conversation? Possibly, but not in this situation.
Agreed. He’s absolutely a gentleman
Excellent point
The “gotcha” was the best part of the conversation. Jordan showed he can keep his cool, be persuasive and beat her at her own game. The trifecta.
I thought the gotcha was actually him being very kind and helping her out of a floundering silence by making a joke of it. That he had indeed won the point was obvious to all, no need to do the gotcha on that.
Does anyone agree with me on this?
I think I agree with you. I know Jordan said that he regretted saying it because he thinks that if he hadn't he could have moved the discussion into something productive instead of it going back into being adversarial but as you say, the gotcha released the tension of her becoming speechless after she realized she wasn't making sense.
It's hard to know what could have been if Jordan had let it go to an awkward silence while she regrouped.
@@RandomCarrot2806 That's interesting. Although her style was very confrontational, I'm not sure she'd have changed it. She didn't seem well prepared for his academic style, I suppose she's used to interviewing politicians, who run a mile if a journalist hints that they're being anti feminist
Go home girl twisted a twelve year old knows better love you Jordan her intellect was zero
@@nicolab2075 excellent point. And edit, I definitely agree he's not usually ever as interested in owning anyone as others are, which is the point of the guy making the video I'm sure.
He is a clinical psychologist with years of experience dealing with angry, self righteous people like the interviewer.
in otherwords this may have been her show, but it was his episode
@@takaw.d8486 yes, 😂😂😂
Let's add the fact that he have a PHD in Clinical Psychologist, and was a Post Doctoral researcher (in the same matter) for 3 more years, and been the author and co-author of more of 100 academic researches.
@@wasabi.2839 yep all of that up against some angry whining baby that can only say a few words "g-g-gu gu-so youre saying that-"
Oooh that's why he's so good with words, he gets under people's skin with cheap tricks too by begin a psicologist
Watching this conversation progress actualy hilighted to me that I already do effectively recognise and confront these pitfalls and traps in everyday conversation without having to intentionally watch out for them as such .which comes naturaly if you really are listening to what others say to you and consider being precise about your wording before you speak .i think that it follows that if you practise trying to convey to people in conversation exactly what you mean then you do also look carefully at their wording to ascertain its validity in the context that they're being applied. The ones that you should walk away from and disregard are those who have to be right now matter the level of denial that they have to embed themselves in to do it .I know one person at least ,an older guy i work with who is so set in his own ways that he reacts defensively, to even rather shallow depth that I present in my points of view. That ."So your saying phrase "! Coupled with a strongly dismissive attitude. But it isn't about what I'm saying at all ,and is really about him choosing not to listen properly because he cannot cope with the complication of details .being drawn into discussing details that butt up against his frustration and impatience seem to be the true cause of the issue .
Jordan knows himself and he trusts to logic. That makes him comfortable in his own skin. He also has the patience of a saint.
I always thought: people that won't let you talk, will twist your words ect, don't actually believe in their own arguments. Peterson knows that he's right so he'll just let his interlocutors talk until they imminently contradict themselves.
@@emmanuellelarocque9440 The narrator is right....it's conversational bullying. Sometimes overt, but often sneaky or veiled. They aren't there to listen to your point of view or learn something. It's like a battle for them. I see so much of that in TH-cam comments. I think most of us just react with anger and maybe get flustered and deny whatever accusation is being thrown. Jordan is very good at not allowing people to get a rise out of him. Instead, you can usually see them getting annoyed. It's very enjoyable to watch.
Jordan stays calm the majority of the time because he knows that he has stats and research to back his opinion. Which is why in all of his interviews and debates, he always asks the other person to present the evidence and they rarely ever do
@@nexpro6118 I think he has a sort of confidence in what he is saying because he has already thought it all over very thoroughly at some point. His business seems to be thinking and analyzing and trying to come to grips with how things are connected and how they work. And it is also instruction and enabling others to understand, which equips him to defend what he says. Even so, he will pause and consider, in case there are other possibilities, before he responds. The people he debates are seldom so prepared.
@@dodieodie498 very well said...and with that said, I think most people who debate with feelings and the sense of having a higher morally superiority just personally attack the other person because he and or she cannot rely on facts and stats.
"Winning" an argument is easy. Changing someone's mind is another story.
Do you think Kathy is of the kind whose mind you can change? Lol
Nope
Then you gotta wonder is it worth that.
That is what free speech is about... I can silence one person but that doesn't mean that i won... I just silenced that person... I didn't actually won...
Winning an argument or debate is subjective. Each person will always say that they won the debate. Majority of people want there personal views and beliefs to just be fact without evidence.
I always felt the moment he said "gotcha" was more to spare her from the humiliating silence he had placed her in
It's true
I agree
Indeed.
like the way how this comment is worded in
Exactly right !! Cos, you hear the awkward silence and then you're thinking, 'someone help here'...and than the true knight in armour Peterson comes to this woman's aide.
Cathy is a bully then plays the Victim when she lost
That's exactly what bullies usually do ...
How to be a Marxist 101.
I wouldn't say she is a bully, but rather, this is her job - she needs to interrogate, question and command soundbites from the interview. Yes, she may personally agree with much of what she is saying, but there are times where she needs to play devil's advocate. That is how I see it anyway.
Jerome . HAHA! thats a good point.. But I don't Think Cathy's saying things Out of context, over simplifications, misrepresentations and misleading are form of intellectual interrogation.. Cathy is a Bully its her Job to do so.. She is no Devils advocate. She is just Dumb. Seriously Just watch the "Lobster" part.. You will see her Level of Intelligence.
Jerome.. She is misleading and misrepresenting what Jordan had said.. ANd that is what bully always do. Then once you trap and defeat the bully. They play as a Victim in which is what she did.. She even claim that the Jordan Fans will gonna harass her.
Jordan Peterson: "I'm hungry."
Kathy Newman: "So what you're saying is... I should make you a sandwich?"
So you're saying she needs to do a show about making sandwiches 🤣
@@alinstancu8091 so your saying women should stay in kitchen and leave other stuff
@@hush7359 no, i'm just saying that they are better at making sandwiches and give birth to babies
She should.
@@alinstancu8091 Lol. Yes we are, there's 7 billion babies and former babies on this planet right now.
Jordan: uh... this conversation is getting annoying
Cathy: So you're saying talking with women is annoying
Yes.... as with all women.
lol
Name one person in this world who wants to talk to her? I bet she got divorced after this interview lol and she should. This woman needs mental help asap
Yes
“ no that is what you are saying… what led your mind in that direction, I really want to know.”
@10:18 It did help prove his persuasive case. Remember he was not attempting to persuade Cathy. He was debating in front of an audience. And he was able to get her to concede defeat.
Jordan: breathes
Interviewer: So you're disrespecting dead people
😂😂
This has gone "a bit" to far...
Ha haha hahaha Haa... This comment nearly killed me!
🤣🤣🤣
lol
Peterson: "You look great today".
Interviewer: " So, you're saying that I was ugly yesterday?"
gold
Girls are girls😴
Sometimes they twist your words
"YES"
Interviewer: "Are you religious"
Peterson: "Depends on what you mean by religious"
Interviewer: "Do you believe in the Bible"
Peterson: "Depends on what you mean by the Bible"
Interviewer: "Are you a man capable of answering questions"
Peterson: "Depends on what you mean about man, capable, answering and questions"
Yup. You Peterson fanbois love to make fun of women like pathetic incels. Yet your hero is equally pathetic as the women you attack.
She said "so your saying" over 20 times that interview.
over 75 times in the actual video!
*you’re
Maybe they are trained to do so.
Libtards love this phrase, they absolutely do. I’ve encountered this illogical phrase countless times - whenever I try to get a point across, they just throw it at me.
It's the tone in which they say it, clearly Newman was trying to entrap Peterson, but you could say the same thing in an ordinary conversation and it would be fine.. Newman was clearly looking for straw for her strawman though
What an interesting presentation. Mr. Peterson is someone who deserves to be listened to. He is usually interesting but will often stray from what could actually be a straight answer. No harm no foul. A direct approach as a response will often lead to a mid point where both can come away with something that they both can live with; even if it may appear as a truce. He is a sensitive and easily offended person. He often becomes defensive where no offense is worth noting. Generally the best approach here is to back away and search for an answer that brings you onto a common ground. When someone is clearly offended by an answer, they would be better served by disengaging from any opposition. Better to change the direction of the conversation where your response will deflect the point of view of the questioner rather than starting a debate with them. Once the discussion has turned that way, there will be nothing gained by continuing.
Before continuing as before, one might profit greatly by stepping back and observing where things may have gone wrong. The quickest way to evaluate the situation might be to search for another approach while remembering the Teaching of Sun Tzu. When caught in a standoff it may be best to withdraw from the situation and wait for the tide to change.
Do not share your opinion. At all. Found Mr. Peterson a powerhouse. Her a shameless bullying teenager.
Mr. Peterson handled this conversation like a pro. Like the best pro. If he would be so easily offended, this conversation would have gotten out of hand totally, since she was only there to offend.
So no, your thoughts are not a reflection of what actually happened here. Seems that 'Sun Tzu' teaching is not the best. You didn't learn.
"It's been rather uncomfortable." That's an amazing line.
Followed by the 2 seconds long frowns face, followed by the smile, hahaha
The change in body language really drove it home for sure.
The smile originates at the upper lip area. It’s almost like a scowl. It says “I can’t stand you but I’m still going to be civil “. His smile is the most overt action to contempt for the interviewer.
I once had a friend who did this to me. She was great at deflection also. I solved the “problem” by leaving the friendship.
did what exactly?? debate your different POVs? answer all your questions in a civilized manner? or prove she was right while simultaneously proving you two actually did agree on the basis of the concepts? i guess i dont see "the problem"... unless of course the problem is that you simply cant handle different ways of thinking and are threatened by the challenge of a different frame of view. hmm, the world may never know.
@@Axton1325 I think they mean the friend was like Cathy, and not JP.
@@Axton1325 you're using the smash technique like Kathy in the video . Cuz you are bitter and trigger 🤣🤣
@@calimorysquid nah I still think she doesn't see the problem with this lady's way of communicating.
There's actually a lot of information in the breakdown, and it goes quick. But nonetheless, the narrator breaks it down the way that the interviewer is manipulating the conversation. And unfortunately this person doesn't see it.
I used to be very passive aggressive, and aggressive, myself, with my communication.
Trust me, if you don't see what's wrong, and you ever want to have meaningful relationships, I suggest rewatching the video to see where he points out the ways she is manipulating the conversation.
I suggest to them that they rewatch this video, and listen to try and learn from it.
@@Axton1325 YOU are the reason this video even exists in the first place.
Interesting vide,. My relationship of 5 years ended a month ago. The love of my life decided to leave me, I really love her so much I can’t stop thinking about her, I’ve tried my very best to get her back in my life, but to no avail, I’m frustrated, I don’t see my life with anyone else. I’ve done my best to get rid of the thoughts of her, but I can’t, I don’t know why I’m saying this here, I really miss her and just can’t stop thinking about her
its difficult to let go of someone you love, i was in a similar situation, my relationship of 12 years ended, but i couldnt just let him go,i did all i could to get him back, i had to seek the help of a spiritual counselor who helped me bring him back
Amazing, how did you get a spiritual counselor, and how do i reach her?
Her name is Shelly renee white , and she is a great spiritual counselor who can bring back your ex.
Thank you for this valuable information, i just looked her up now online. impressive
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Kathy is overly aggressive and rude. She is an attacker and he knows it. It's very hard to listen to this bully. He has handled it very well.
Tread Softly ! I am perhaps not watching through your eyes! But he is sitting in a semi aggressive posture, indicating “He will be right, whatever” attitude! He should have strived well before he did to create equilibrium through both his posture, attitude and response to the inquirer with a communicative response not a rehearsed slap down. Nothing is improved about the Male strut through that Big brave Male attitude...to my mind he reduced his altitude and maybe should acquire some further pacification training? Male--Observer RDR
"overly agressive and rude"..... sounds like most far-right political commentators.
@@1SpudderR Jordan's "semi aggressive posture" doesn't justify her negative response. If she thought he was being aggressive, she still could have looked past his attitude and gone on to make the interview as pleasant as possible. But she didn't try to improve the interview, he did. That's why Jordan is in the right.
Jordan could have handled it better, for sure, but I think you're reading into his posture a bit too much. Also, what does RDR mean?
Colin Kennedy Look.....Why does the Male need any sort of aggressive posture...unless he is subconsciously insecure, and the interviewer achieves maybe one of her goals.......Communication, which would have been declined from the outset........Because of his aggressive base attitude.....90 % Of Reading a person is from the visual perception awareness delivered to the subconscious.....and the receiver of that is unaware...ie their subconscious which then gets delivered into the Conscious transfer of attempted communication.......All because of this somebody’s! projected attitude from incorrect posture. Training seems to be required On his empathy, perhaps a good second starting point. RDR Keep guessing on what RDR means though?!
@@1SpudderR You are too far gone.
He deserved that "Gotcha" after tolerating her attacks.
That was SWEET.
He may have deserved it, but doing the same thing the other person does is never the right move when it comes to winning anyone over. It only is on their same level - humiliating and demoralizing them. It wasn't in good taste, but everyone makes mistakes. Overall, he still did an excellent job - certainly much better than many others do.
I saw it as more of an ironic "gotcha" like he wasn't trying to do that, but he's happy he got her to see his side without belittling her. If he could've taken control of the interview back right there and said something like how he didn't actually want to have a "gotcha" moment, and he's happy she's seeing his side, it would've made him out to have taken the high road and still beat her.
@@CHIEF__ Jordan was playing with her.
He has treated 100's of women the carbon copy of *Katty,* the most telling part of the whole interview was when JP said;
"I suspect that your unpleasantness has served YOU very well over the years"
Katty's rep;
"Yes.... YES it has in fact"
JP was gentle with her, because he knows just how mentally fragile she truly IS.
@@aqua3418 If I were Jordan, I don't want to win that woman over. So Gotcha all the way.
I liked it when he said "it was nice talking to you" at the end of the interview. The only untrue thing he said.
Well, it may have been uncomfortable, but for Peterson, that kind of conversation adds to his total understanding of humanity, so he is still glad that it happened.
Should of said nice of you talking at me.
He simply enjoyed toying with her and he let her know. I wish to be at his level. Maybe next life.
I'm with Manticore on this one. The response could have been genuine, cause both of them left with an experience.
I think Cathy got hot for the man
Just stumbled onto your content and this is great stuff. As someone who suffered from social anxiety from a young age, it's taken a huge blow to my ability to communicate effectively during contention. I'll have to dive deeper into each of these concepts to get a better understanding. Thank you!
I think that "gotcha" was intended to be more like ice-breaking, not humiliating. Kinda "stop attacking, let's laugh this off".
@John Galt But she did save her position by a strategy I'd call, 'taking the hit. She's a bit stronger by admitting she's taken damage and that allow you to like her a little bit......'>.......
Agreed. It contrasted so sharply in tone with the rest of the interview that it made him come across as a lot less combative. He gave her an exit out of a tough situation where his silence could have just forced her to change the subject or apologise for making him feel uncomfortable.
I mean at the end of the day they're both professionals and should look out for each other every now and then despite their different views. I think Jordan momentarily kinda felt that empathy given it is her show. It would've been incredibly awkward if they both just kept silent while she takes the blow and tries to stutter her way back in. Props to Jordan for recognising that.
If they'd stop hacking my phone that'd be great. They're damned malicious with hacking. who are they?
I felt like that too
Peterson: "Is nice to see you"
Interviewer: "So you are saying is ugly to see every other woman?"
CATHY YOUR SAYING ABOUT 50 TIMES
Tbh most woman do this
😂
Lol
I think that's the most telling thing about this 'interview'. Every question she asked of him was just a warped and twisted regurgitation of a valid point he'd made that she simply couldn't accept or understand. It was't so much an interview as a hit piece. You could tell in the way that she shotgunned questions she was reading from her tablet that she didn't care about answers, merely wanted to hurl accusations at him.
I wish he hadn’t said ‘Gotcha’ and just sat in silence: I believe he said it because he felt bad for her and threw her a bone.
Yes...dead silence would have been much more embarrassing to her. She actually smiled at that one.
Could you link it?
@@joesmo2042 at 10:03
that is one awkward smile.
He actually said that in a playful tone and tried to temper the discussion.
This wasn’t even a two party conversation this was the My way Cathy show
The "gotcha" was a human reaction. Jordan has said that before the interview, Cathy was very polite to him and they were having a nice conversation. Once the interview started, she switched from having a conversation into a pre-defined character with motives other than just seeking the truth. She is not trying to have a conversation with Jordan, she is trying to create sound bites and achieve some sort of victory over him.
The gotcha was from having to be patient and put up with this nonsense and knocked her completely out of the character that she had been playing. Frankly, he was a lot more polite than 99% of the rest of us would have been.
It's all show business.
Oh ok.... so it's show business to be fake and not real towards others. I see now
That isn't new. Most talk shows do this to their guests. They would purposely agitate the guests behinds the scenes; once they get up on air, the guests would be in a bad mood. Shows that do this are Dr. Phil, Ellen show, Tyra banks show, 90 days fiance, etc. Drama=entertainment=money
@@kackdackel9170 I mean the topic was talking about freedom of speech 🤷🏽♂️ which people are trying to change.
Yes, very polite she was.... I like how she complimented him often and never tried to vilify him at all. She's the perfect example of someone who is ABSOLUTELY IN NOW WAY a misandrist... Not one bit!!! Not at all!!! uh uh... NO sir!!!
Bad idea to play mind games with a psychology professor.
Equally bad to play psychological games with a mind professor.
Like challenging the Flash to a game of tag, lmao.
@@dorianphilotheates3769 Equally bad to mind a psychological play with a game professor
probably not an idea, more of an habit and intuitive behaviours (just learned what's usually effective by intuitive trial and error over years and got into the habit of practicing it)
so it's like trying to make a medical doctor sick?
This lady doesn’t even want him to talk. She just wants to hear her own voice
Exactly
She's no lady...
She is womansplaining xD
In my experience, the people who talk over you refuse to listen because they're terrified of the fact that you may be right and they may be wrong. That terror manifests in frantic anger, which is why ignorant people are so frustrating to talk with.
This video is montaged in a way that makes her seem like a bully (if I had to decide whether she really was or not, I'd say she was), but we lack context. The cuts are way too short.
Another way to describe their word choice. Notice that most of their main statements are directed at you, acknowledging YOUR thoughts, YOUR decisions.
Good highlights in this video, you brought up some great examples. I noticed the same issues with salesmen, and I hate it when they do that.
One of my main points to teach people when they "debate" points, is to listen to your "opponent". You will often find we share ideas, concepts and knowledge. Finding these shared ideas, are the beginning of reaching an agreement. Remember, debates are not necessarily conducted to "win". They are to find common ground. Convince the other side.
Notice how she asks a question, then talks over him when he tries to answer.
Yes, but only in the entire interview.
She is absolutely renowned for doing that as are most feminists as quite often they don't want to hear the answer as it will not fit with their agenda.
My teacher does that as well, when were having an argument
@@robinkoci7227 That's just sad. If you are clearly wrong, it will come out in discussion. They seem afraid to be proven wrong. Show this to them. Re-evaluate your tactics. What you're doing makes your position look less correct because you're attempting to shut someone else out of the conversation, pre-emptively. Take a moment and THINK.
That's exactly what my mom does...
He is a psychologist and is the hardest man to argue with, and her entire game plan was to try make him slip up with what he’s saying and get him to twist his words, it was a televised slaughter fest and she didn’t even come close
@Kevin Tewey No, that is not what he is saying... lol
@@philliptjackson yep, we are catching it live in 4k the "so, what you're saying is .." trick. You implement the tips in the video correctly sir Phill
@@philliptjackson gottem
Jordan peterson isn't a good debater, he's an excellent public speaker if you already agree with him tho... but as soon as he's on stage with any one that has experience with public debates he's made a fool of... like the debate with Matt dillihunty
@Luc Germain it's actually not, for example let's look at what made him internet famous, his critique of Bill c13. The bill didn't say what he claimed it too... he was hyperbolic about the imitations than none of which came true, he's absolutly out of his depth when he talks about religion and atheism, his comments on lobsters arnt true in the way he describes it or relates it to how people interact... he constantly spews word salad, sounds smart but he doesn't actually back up most of what he says... there is a reason he's considered a joke now by most people familiar with him but not a follower...
Peterson: "I like cats".
Interviewer: "so you are saying that we should kill dogs"?
Abyssinia Empire hahahaha yep
Abyssinia Empire politics in a nutshell
If u reversed that I would agree with it.
that sums it up
Bingo!!!
Peterson: Womens individual choices effect how much money they make
Interviewer: So you are saying that you hate women and will actively try to keep them down financially and eliminate women's personal choices...................
I think the "gotcha" was necessary for him to let her know that he did not appreciate her verbal bullying.
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I'm starting to think this was less of an "interview" and more of an interrogation.
just an attack on him really
@@diatom333 and a horribly backfired one
Stargate fan I see 👀
and a very agressive one by the way
I'm a journalist and I believe this is a very bad piece of journalism. The woman is clearly biased and is constantly attacking him.
Jordan Peterson: Breathes
Cathy Newman: "So you're saying you think it's okay for men to steal air from women?"
LOL bro I feel like that's how they starting to act Like now kinda like the Nazis attacking everyone acting like a victim
im jealous that jordan can have fun in this kind of situation because he's just that good at speaking with people
You can be too
Yes he’s old and experienced. Young and unexperienced people would maybe get aggresive. Jordan just needed to always explain how it actually is and so it made her like complete fockibg clown, when she every single time went for reason misunderstand him.
That too, but I think his confidence comes from his understanding of his logic. He fully knows what he's talking about and is intelligent enough to know what other person is talking about.
He did handle this interview brilliantly but he has later said that it had been extremely stressful for him to go through it, and that it took him a couple of days to recover emotionally from it. He is brave and smart, but human nevertheless.
Me too man.i had to master my art of being "extreme calm"
This is golden. You sound like a younger adult- you knocked it out of the park. I have heard older adults fall short. I’m excited to look through more of your videos. Thank you!
The “gotcha” was intentional. Jordan talked about this interview on Joe Rogan’s podcast. Cathy was super friendly and polite in the green room before airing, putting him at ease, then intentionally turned and tried to frame him poorly during it. She was trying to set him up to look like the straw man she was constructing. He hit her with that because there was no chance of her finding common ground with him. She was intentionally refusing to. It was a jab back at her to make her choke up on trying to use that gotcha tactic herself.
Do you know in which appearance?
@@Jazj97 joe rogan
@@bojarckhoosemanschnarf5851 yeah I know but he's been on Rogan's show multiple time. I meant which episode
Actually she came in the room and pretty much declared "war" before the interview even started so he went in the interview already on the defensive. Its on a JRE clips about the interview.
@@bullhauler8097 I saw the clip and he's talking about the girl from the GQ interview, not Cathy Newman
Peterson: "I think..."
Interviewer: "So you're assuming that I DON'T think?"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
ahaahha😂☺️😪🧐😈
this is a good one hahaha
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think Jordan's "Gotcha" moment at the end was almost involuntary. This interviewer had been attacking him relentlessly with the obvious intention of making him look bad. Getting her to stop her attacks and have her acknowledge that she agrees with him, he would experience a moment of jubilation and relief. Yes, he played it cool throughout the interview, but that doesn't mean he wasn't experiencing pressure and maybe a little bit of anger at being misrepresented.
J B I agreed with you. Jordan seem calm but the look in his eyes will warned you, you’ve been pushing to hard on your twisting lies over me, I love that gotcha moment
It signifies that they both know this is a propaganda game and he just won.
@@morpheus9137 Exactly right, that was the moment he put her to the sword.
Agreed. She really lobbed that one, he couldn't help himself.
I say, "In order for you to understand me, I need to understand what it is that you're trying so desperately to ask me. Slow down, let me understand, then let me speak freely."
My gosh! This man deserves an award after dealing with all the crazy talk without even being rude.
Oh so you don’t support the troops?
Oh so you are still beating your wife?
So women should put up with you harassing and offending them?
Oh, so you’re approaching him?
@Loading Memes is that a Jojos reference?
The goal of this interview was to destroy him; I don't feel bad for her at all. He used what she so proudly displayed, against her - in a sense showed the audience she was a complete hypocrite and ideological lunatic. When she saw herself exposed, she had no retort. Well done! Bye Felicia!
I think Jordan's "gotcha!" comment was more playful and enjoying the debate, trying to get the interviewer to relax. It's such a silly phrase, and he's so eloquent. I think it was an attempt to lighten the mood.
I think he later said that he regretted saying that although it’ll take me ever to find the source of that.
He’s done a number of post Kathy-roast blogs/ discussions, so it may be there.
Exactly. Jordan Peterson mastered the interview and that "gotcha" was a highest peak. Using strong argument, his endless experience and knowledge, Peterson piece by piece crumbles Cathy into a state where she eventually had to restart herself. A kind of ctrl + alt + delete.
Beautiful demonstration of James 1:19-27. Thank you God's blessing 🤩👍🙏🙏🙏
People are NOT going to look up Scriptures. Nor have Any Idea Whatsoever, what you are talking about. If you want to say something, say it. Use the actual words. Now this is blown away by the wind. Missed opportunity.
Yea kick rocks
I learned a lot time ago that it’s okay to be wrong and the sooner you can accept that your argument is invalid, the sooner you can learn about the truth. Ask questions, inform yourself, it’s okay to have been wrong. It’s not the end of your intelligence, it’s the start of your growth.
Wow !! .... great philosophy 👍 ....i'm going to remember that & use it. I've never been good at face-to-face very pointed discussions / arguments.
I completely agree. Being PROVEN wrong is the equivalent of levelling up.
if somebody can explain why your opinion is wrong, there's no shame in that and if you dont have a fixed position to defend then you literally have nothing to lose. Self-importance is your worst enemy (and mine ! )
Assuming your piont is invalid? I find your point invalid to the discussion, straw man, so admit it. Just saying
@@MZ-rv1bu
What are you alluding to?
Peterson: sips water
Newman: ‘So you’re saying we should let Africa die of thirst?’
This is a bad take.
@@matthewadejumo9397 that's the joke
@@yashim08 he was making a joke as well
LOL
He doesn't fall into the "we as a collective" game. There are plenty of groups and individuals working on behalf of Africa.
I love how he’s so calm and not letting her manipulate him .
Yes .. one of his abilities..he is amazing..
@@jensbang5923 He’s amazing & bitter little Chatty Cathy is going to be 60 & alone with her cat one day - wondering how her pathetic empty life got there…🤷🏽♂
Power of a psychologist
No he manipulated her
@@MariGolds2 reverse uno card
I wonder how Cathy Newman feels about being shown to be the perfect example of a passive agressive bully by a very calm, reasonable, and respectful man who clearly is her intellectual superior.
The best thing about the way Peterson speaks of he doesn't rush to fill the silence. He takes his time to think and choose the right words.
i agree with u
Which is so simple yet difficult to master because we all have our heads up our own asses.
Another guy who is an Ace in conducting a dispute is Trey Gowdy. Im sure you've watched a lot of his videos.
George G I've seen a few videos with him, he's very entertaining to watch. Haha
Peterson: "Hi"
Interviewer: "So you're assuming I can speak English?"
The north is just lost
Polar bears, seals, ice, water, a pole, it's a MESS
Peterson: I am actually right though.
PenisMcWhirtar How is Autism a sign of being lost?
@*Black *Maple* shutup snowflake
Peterson: ohhh, so you really like Dogs???
Interviewer: oh Yeees.
Peterson: so you agree that the Cats should be all killed?!!!!
Cathy Newman was completely humiliated in this debate. I watched a lot of debates, but I have never seen such a clear victory ever. Peterson handled this situation extraordinary. Newman was speechless and devastated.
@Bill Carson Nope there is no shame in Newman.
@Bill Carson That's quite a sweeping generalisation (im tired of everyone who makes these no matter what group their in) you have fall all the millions of members of the left! that they all have no principles, you seem incredibly ignorant to have such a black and right mindset when it comes to your ideology and outlook, If you expect the left to have an open mind you need to try it yourself for once.
Palfi Csaba shes a novice compared to Jordan
@Bill Carson Saying everyone In the context I used it is referring to everyone who actually has done something which is not a generalisation.
Not only can we stop generalising by simply! acknowledging not everything is so clack and white and using language to reflect that such as those/some/ most etc but even when this is not an option it is no justification for the use of extremely ridiculous, absurd not to mention highly judgmental not to mention wrong sweeping generalisations such as you saying all members of the left lack any principles!
As for the political spectrum its complicated and their are no easy answers but I do know the extremes of both are bad also one party states have definitely been shown to be bad.
/ you can never entirely get rid of the concept of government force to handle necessary situations Ie you are forced to fund the military. police, fire services I mean things are sometimes needed for society to function its just about how much but stop acting like its just a concept that only will even exist with the left.
also major concept of conservatives is that tradition trumps everything and that's a problem for me because traditionally slavery was ok/ the US was ruled by England etc tradition isn't good just by its nature, you have to judge
individual things on its merit but people won't do that because their too busy picking sides.
The result of argument/debate should always be progress and consensus, not victory. Unless you have an ego problem.
Awesome insights! I'm dealing with an aggressive situation at the moment, so this is very timely and helpful!
Given the aggressiveness of the interviewer in this case, the "gotcha" was appropriate. She was not being sincere at all.
So now asking questions is not sincere?
If somone asks “So what you’re saying is...?” then the adult answer might be “No, what I was really saying is__________________."
@@aikido7 So, what you're saying is that ALL questions are sincere simply by being asked? This lady interviewer was over the top with the hidden accusations and straw man presuppositions.
@@wade5941 Keepin things on the level and being specific are as necessity. Whenever you are seduced by the urge to say “You’re over the top,” “You are making hidden accusations [and strawman arguments] is not going to be effective.
Even Jordan Peterson doesn’t do THAT.
@@aikido7 But, she was "over the top" with her hidden accusations and strawman arguments and Mr. Peterson appropriately nailed her for it. Definitely not effective. I would hope she would learn from that mistake and instead keep things on the level and be specific in the future. I'm not Jordan Peterson and neither are you.
@@wade5941 “...I'm not Jordan Peterson and neither are you.”
Absolustely correct.
BTW, I worked as a mediator for 7 years and later I was employed as a cancer tech on a ward for end-stage patients [which involved many conversations about treatment & end of life issues wirh dying pateints and their families.
When I was a parent I knew I wanted to raise my daughter so that I could effectively talk to her so she could listen and to effectly listen to her when she talked.
I used to think she had a real problem when she left her room in a state of Defcon One. But actually it was *I* who had the problem. Her socks lying on the floor triggered my annoyance and anger. Clearly, had to be more aware of my own language.
If I said “You’re a pig. You leave your clothes everywhere!” she would define herself as a pig.
[When I leave things on the floor, then I’m a pig].
If I said instead, “I sure get annoyed when there are socks on the floor. Are you willing to help us both keep your room neat and pleasant to be in?”
[Then she would think “Dad is frustrated”].
Peterson: "silence"
Cathy : Are you implying that talking to a woman isn't worth your time?
Good one
Legend27
Peterson: **silence**
I say that talking to women is a waste of time and even dangerous to men every day and I mean it, women know that they can lie about you and spread it all over town and a man can be arrested after having done nothing wrong and they say you can't hit a woman. Today's women are dangerous and they know it they use our judicial system like a club and you better be able to duck.
Ohhh my soul😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣
“I like ketchup and don’t like mayonnaise”
“So are you saying fast food restaurants should quit using mayonnaise?”
Yes, I am saying that.
@@pippipster6767 me too
lol
No ketchup just sauce.
So you are saying mayonnaise is a music instrument?
I love this!
You had the luxury of calm contemplative analysis after the fact. If you could do this in the middle of her wretched performance , well then you could pretty much win any debate.
But I would have to memorize what you said and then then STUDY STUDY TO SEE IT IN THE CONTEXT AND THINK, THINK HOW I MYSELF, COULD DO THE SAME.
But thanks for the demo….well done.
What do they teach them in COLLEGE THESE DAY?!?!!!
Him: *breathes*
Her: so you’re saying that we should enslaved oxygen to our own benefit?
@Apple Is Forever She knows that statment should be true. There aught to be a word limit law, on Most women. See how that would work. Lol...
Hahaha this is great
@@barrylast8655 If that's true then it should also be on most humans who on average have the intelligence of a potato.
Arguments aren't about using facts anymore. It's about who can whine the loudest.
depends on viewer criteria. I'm amazed at how many people use the above for theirs.
thats the difference between an argument and a debate
facts do win the convo but convo with halfwits, it doesn't work haha
Oh my god, yes woman do this a lot
Lol if you let them whine louder
Husband about waitress: “She seems nice”
Wife: “So you’re saying you want a divorce?”
Hahaha waitress to husband, "lemme get this mess out of your way" husband to waitress "I already called her an Uber". 🖖😎
Husband “She seems nice” Wife “So you want a divorce?” Husband “No, I’m thinking of a threesome!”
Husband about waitress: “She seems nice”
Wife: " you just sexually assault that girl"
He said: "I thought our waitress was very nice."
She heard: "I'll be thinking about her during sex."
This is typical borderline behaviour, I was there, not a nice place to be.
Very educational, thanks for pointing out important debate techniques.
Peterson: Good Bye
Interviewer: so you're saying I asked you to leave?
Ahahahaha
😆
Who is doing an interview？And what for？ This video is about How to keep your cool in an argument.
Andrew Dembegiotis best one yet
You don't even need to say anything. You are joging. So, you try to tell me I'm to fat and I need to lose weight?!
How to keep cool: have decades of study, research and professional experience in your field
Surely it can’t hurt your case
Unlike that woman that didn't work for anything
Or just don't care
Short : competence
What if your field isn't psychology
She was unprofessional in my opinion, she was trying to get him to storm off set
How do you know that this was her intention?
professionalism isnt requirement no more, when you have the same agenda with the one who hired you then there is no problem
No, she was trying to do her job.
And made herself look a real fool doing it lol
@Marcos 989 OK, let me just clarify, cathy Newman in my opinion is a fantastic journalist and a brilliant anchor. I've admired much of her work . Incredibly thorough, she really does her homework if I was a guest on the show, particularly a controversial guest, make no mistake I'd be shaking in my shoes. However in this particular interview she failed, I don't know what happened , I don't know. Let's just say I hope she learned from this experience. We all have our fine moments and our regrettable moments and this was one of hers. I'll end this by saying Cathy is still one of my favourite journalists she's also fair and tries to see both sides of an argument not all journalists do. I hope this clarifies my point of view
Every time I come across this video, I want to leave a thank you comment, so finally I do... Thank you, I think this is one of your best episodes, and something everyone should watch at least once, hands down
I remember something like this happening to me back in college. I was eating lunch with some of my fellow math tutors when I made an off-hand remark that had something to do with women's brains having larger language processing centers than men's. Immediately after saying that, the girl sitting next to me (also a math tutor) barked at me, "there's no evidence that men are better at math than women!" Caught off guard, my mind raced to come up with a counter argument. After a second of contemplation, it dawned on me that I didn't actually believe men were inherently better at math and never said anything to that effect. I slowly turned to look at her and calmly asked, "when did I say anything about math?" She immediately backed off, finished her meal in silence, and left about five minutes later.
And GOSH DARN did it ever feel good! Oh yeah, and don't lose your cool or whatever...
"Oh yeah, and don't lose your cool or whatever..." That is kind of the basis to begin with. People who are attacking you verbally want you to embarass yourself and therefore one should stay calm, relaxed and listen carefully to the opposite's questions or statements about yourself and verify their value and truth.
But men are... On average - better at math, just as women are, ON AVERAGE, better at language. Because as you mentioned it - how the average brain is wired between the sexes.
@ZacharusTV.... Thanks for that contribution. Can you help me out with these please? Someone talking while you are speaking (when it is clearly your turn to speak in a conversation or a debate), Someone trying to shut you up by speaking into your sentence. Someone asks you a question and then right as you open your mouth to answer the person speaks on you? What is the effective way to coil off these verbal attacks in these kind of situations without getting youself into trouble? Thanks in advance.
kofiata ata Remain silent until they are through ranting or interrupting. Then calmly say, "Have you finished now?" If they say yes, you respond with "Thank you, I'll finish my point." If they refuse to say yes, just keep listening until they stop. Don't respond to their point. Just come back again with "Have you finished now?" Eventually, they will realize that you won't tolerate the bullying. They will either stop or move on to an easier target.
Patricia Reilly, Thank you for the tip. Peace and love.
Yeah, that "gotcha" came off as "don't you feel silly, now." But OH MY GOD did it feel so damn satisfying.
Ben Schrader dude you took the words right out of my mouth
Yup, guilty pleasure.
She really deserved it lol after she kept trying to stab him, that gotcha was all he needed to finish the job. She created it and it backfired. The beauty of it is how much weight that one word had lol
Yeah, it was the one provocative move from his side.
While it does go against his usual approach of not making people look stupid however, I think it was still a bit different:
More along the lines of a teacher teasing "do you see what I mean now?" after the student inadvertently demonstrated the teacher's point.
(For those wondering, it's at 10:00.)
Even tho I liked the 3 seconds she didn't speak, I don't think she was even listening to what he was saying. I think she was listening to her director on the earpiece and waiting for a response.
*Reads title of video*
so you're saying that I already get embarrassed in arguments?
Title of the video: Yes, yes I am.
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This is an excellently clear, step-by-step analysis of how adversarial discussions get twisted and toxified, and how the process should be managed. I have no place in my heart for Jordan Peterson, whom I generally dislike, but he provides a perfect example of skilful "driving" here.
"If you actually want to understand somebody's position, then you will always be interested in their efforts to clarify it. But what we're noticing in our discourse, is people don't really want to understand your position. They want to catch you saying something that can be construed in the worst possible way and then hold you to it, and then they claim to understand what you think better than you do." - Sam Harris
life's like Belgium, sometimes you gotta march through it
- Ghandi
I think he's at least partially talking about JP here - I'd be interested in the source.
The irony of Sam Harris saying this is hilarious.
@@EnFuegoDuo How so?
how do you save a comment on youtube?
Peterson: I don’t like decorative pillows
Cathy: So you’re saying all women should be enslaved?
I mean...
Niŋin turdl已 "womens!" Seriously?
Niŋin turdl已 Weird how his name includes "troll" but cant recognize "trolling"
Why shouldn’t we enslave them ??
Cathy and trolls will be a perfect marriage. Both same IQ
"How to avoid embarrassing yourself".
1) Don't be Cathy Newman
Damn, that's accurate !!
2)Don't speak what the media feeds you
Classic 🤣🤣🤣🤣
1) don't be a communist/socialist...
If she was interviewing Kim Jong Un, I'm pretty sure you'd think she is doing a damn good job. In my eyes, she did her work splendidly. In normal conversation however, she'd be a huge red flag giving off narcissistic vibes
I've watched the interview several times, though with your help this is the first time I see just how quickly he responded to her poop. Thanks, and thumbs up again Jordan.
You should find the original interview, because it's been heavily edited to remove the reasons why the interviewer was questioning back so sharply.
I was a witness in a court trial about 20 years ago,and the defence lawyer did the "so you're saying..." And everytime I said "no..." And repeated my original answer. After his 7th or 8th attempt the judge stepped in and "clearly the witness is far too intelligent to fall for bully tactics"
I'll take "things that never happened ..." you know the rest
@tomatojuice484 I was there and every word he said was true. The judge then said "I'm the only bull in this here pen". We all laughed.
@@tomatojuice484 I was there as well and every word he said was true. The witness and the Judge kissed and got married, then rode on the back of horses into the sunset.
And far too humble to quote someone who praised him so lavishly 20 years ago.
A good story in every other respect.
And then everyone in the audience clapped
Finally saw jordan peterson live a few days ago, such an interesting guy
Where, and is it online?
Tribal Trap where
Search for him on TH-cam. His talks are amazing. Total next level stuff.
Tribal Trap Amsterdam?
He's indeed a very interesting person; don't look at him as a celebrity
This was like a chess game between a grandmaster and a beginner and when Jordan said "gotcha" he basically said checkmate.
@Foodie Eats oh yes it is
Well said sir.
Nah the gotcha was unnecessary. It was all perfect but the gotcha (as noted in the video) made her feel silly so she went back on teh defensive. It was the crucial moment where empathy was about to flourish but it got squashed by Jordan's size 12 gotcha-boot.
@@Etcher good Analysis. and i think you`re right. nevertheless it was great to watch how she reacted lol
@@Etcher Empathy was never going to be an outcome of that interview. Cathy Newman was trying to set Peterson up just as many other interviewers have done. Maybe the gotcha was unnecessary but i dont think any other approach would have gotten a better result. Other interviews with similar interviewers shows that.
I recall the above conversation and how she tried to bully him. Well done Dr. Peterson and well explained by your channel.
"He whom dares not offend cannot be honest."
~Thomas Paine
I'm pretty sure Paine's grammar was better than that.
"You play, you pay, you bastard"
~Max Paine
yeah, very hard to be honest these days - and i'm not talking about the possibility of offending someone
This is going in my list of favorite quotes
Jordan: I haven't had my lunch.
Cathy: So you're saying I should make you a sandwich.
😂
Yes
Hey, this is a copied comment
Paranoia can do that to a person turning every simple sentence into supposed threat 😅
Yes
Contrary to where the presenters says how the “Ha Gotcha” weakened Dr. Peterson’s argument. I believe he actually said that to release the tension as a mood lightening joke. Which is actually helping Kathy move past her moment of speechless fumblement.
To a outside observer it may seem like a jab while she’s down but to her it was a kind opportunity to re establish the flow of conversation and save face.
Exactly
It could've helped her, if she wanted to. She didn't.
He was pointing out that he knows that she's not wanting to have a discussion but rather to just attack him personally.
Those were my thoughts as well...
Yes I agree, besides nothing to be gained from humiliating her. He helped her as she was clearly out of her depth
There’s always the good old fashioned response, “if you don’t like the answer, then don’t ask the question.” Another great response I occasionally use when someone says, “I don’t believe you.” I respond with, “what you believe or don’t believe is your problem, not mine.”
Jordan Peterson handled the questioning brilliantly. It was a set up, he spotted that very early on in the interview. He said afterwards that before the recording stated that Cathy was very friendly and conversational, and so he knew something was up within the first minute as her style changed to a combative approach. A lesser person, myself included, would have lost their temper, but Jordan held it together and answered all the questions factually. I have to say, the type of interview technique Cathy uses does nobody any favours, regardless what cause they are fighting. Get well Jordan, we miss you!
Agree with most you're saying. However, it did help Channel 4 News. Its audience probably has never been as engaged as during this TH-cam video (look at views & comments of video). Probably at the expense of Cathy Newman's reputation though plus also that the discusison got even more heated for the general public. Jordan defo succesfully promoted his book.
@@dennouvelle7524 I failed to see how can they gained from this , if anything its their reputation they lost
These are not at all INTERVIEWS, they are POLITICAL BIASED DEBATES , PRETENDING to be INTERVIEWS that INSTEAD OF INQUIRING TRUTH, WISH TO CONVEY THE AGENDA/ NARRATIVE they've already PRE DETERMINED.
This 'technique' is simply a waste of time. Jordan Peterson is, in my view, an extraordinary thinker. I believe history will treat him very kindly - as a psychologist, I would not be surprised if, in future, he is revered, thought about and studied somewhat like Jung is today. Also, in the future, people will look back on the radical leftist ideology that has taken over so much of the West, and think 'what the hell got into so many people?' Newman is an example of that sort of ideology. And instead of using her time with Peterson to explore his fascinating ideas, she mindlessly attacked him. A bit like a journalist interviewing Einstein about his theories, whilst being ignorant of them, being very attached to Newtonian ideas, and smearing what he says about curved spacetime (and so forth) as some kind of crazy nonsense.
It constantly amazes me when people with no actual knowledge take him on verbally. No matter the subject area, if you tell me the person with whom I am talking spent decades thinking about and teaching a subject at the university level I am going to think long and hard about anything before I say it.
Peterson: *takes a bite out of a sandwich*
Newman: “So you’re saying Hitler should be resurrected?”
*Laughs in sandwich*
That was outstanding. Well done you! 😀
Yes. He should be. Only for the purpose of living alone with Newman on a deserted island. She has worked hard for it.
Uncle: *LUMBAGO*
“So your saying the whole lemoyne chapter Is an unpleasant waste of time”
Oscar Rasmussen 😂😂🤣
Peterson's "gotcha" was a lifeline thrown to his opponent who at that moment had nothing to keep herself afloat which is why she grabbed onto it so quickly and agreeably stating "you have got me!". His complete silence would have been the brutal response but Peterson chose to break the tension for her, not increase it.
On point assertion. Had he been malevolent, he'd just sit there and watch her twist in agony, desperately trying to find a way to climb out of the hole she dug herself in. But Petersson is much too kind of a human to let that happen.
avq5 Excellent point!
He underlined his sovereignty in a very gentlemanish fashion with this.
Good point. It's easy to digest and disect now, but for me, he could have brought her into this way of thinking and helped her to embrace it, not by saying "gotcha" but by saying something like "You're working this out, and that's ok...it's a new thing for you." But either way, good on him for remaining calm. I wasn't sure how I felt about JP the first few mins he was on Joe Rogan, but man, he is right about a lot of things.
@Marc "You're working this out, and that's ok...it's a new thing for you." You don't think that is condescending AF? Its the definition passive aggressive. I would have thrown my water at someone who said some stupid shit like that. Its basically saying that you are smarter than the person you are talking to and that you forgive them for not having thought an entire premise through before. It would be less offensive to laugh in someone's face and call them a dumb ass after they commit a logical fallacy.
Semper Fi
One powerful move to turn an opposant into a neutral position is to help him when he is stunned, such as in the ''gotcha'' moment. You can propose a ''lighter version'' of his argument in a question form to help him get back on track. Like: ''Well, by that, did you meant [her argument, remodeled] ?''. It will give that person some space to recompose himself and realign his position without you even agreeing. Then his choice would be to continue in that way or refute it.
Voluntarily giving ammo to your adversary earn you some respect and can drastically change the tone of the debate from opposants who want victory to mutual contributors who search truth from different perspectives.
Whatever the outcome, he will now be less inclined to make aggressive assumptions. Beneficials debates are not the result of persuasion but mutual understanding, given both parties are reasonable.
Jordan: **inhales in preparation to speak**
Cathy: "SO YOU'RE SAYING..."
and the winner is... :-)
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL - This is the best one!!
Level asian
So you think you have more right to breathe oxygen than women
@@fabooshka Why, yes. Yes I do.