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01:19 Trans Athletes Have an Unfair Advantage
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"Are we going to put people in their own categories by weight?"
Quite literally: yes.
Imagine a 400 lb strongman against a 130 lb skinny boy in the ring, or vice versa on the track
@@alceratops6853 funny story, similar has happened in wresteling some years ago. The strategy of the skinny guy was to exhaust his opponent, and just took him down.
@@potato_dbd was that mma cause in boxing that not gonna work very well
@@mvsmvs8428 I'm sorry, I have no idea. I've seen in quite a while ago, and I don't care about sports.
There is no middle ground. Chicks with d!cks need to stick to male sports
Say it with me: not agreeing with the trans people doesnt mean youre transphobic (unless its something actually transphobic)
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Facts
You’re right lol, disagreeing with Trans and Homosexuals just means we disagree lol, we’re not stopping you from doing what you agree with so why do they care if people disagree and not discriminating. Ps. They should probably form a trans league for the physical sports
@@antoinjohnson4146 facts
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Comparing puberty to drinking a protein shake once is actual insanity Ngl
Thank you. I was going to speak on that statement too.
Also, it's dangerous for trans athletes to be outed as trans, therefore let them compete against women?? Horrible logic.
u think?
"It shouldn't matter if your male or female." How can a Trans person say that? Do they not realize the inconsistency in that? The irony?
The entire ideology is riddled with inconsistencies. Just look at how they label the trans men as "male" and the trans woman as "female", even though according to the gender ideology sex and gender are different. Therefore Afton is still male and Sydney and Matt are still female. But I guess Jubilee just doesn't want to be considered tRaNsPhObIc
@@birthemuller7310 I could not agree more. The whole thing is astounding!
yeah obvi it matters a great deal in sports. a trans person who transitions and fits in well as the other gender prob won’t have their sex be relevant in a ton of situations but sports is 100% one of them.
@@birthemuller7310the idea of sex and gender being different is as simple as sex being what someone is born as, while gender being what you identify as. Hence the term “cisgender” meaning identifies as their sex assigned at birth. It has nothing to do with being labeled “male” and “female.” I see a failure in your logic.
@@annaleigh2413 yes, I know.
If we make sports gender neutral, women would lose in about 99% of the cases...
soooo true
Wait what do you mean?
@@-tired_plant-878 biological advantage
All of the arguments they had were just anecdotes that said they knew some girls that “kicked ass” but had nothing tangible to back it up
@Emmy agreed
Alternative title for the video: people trying not to say something that would get them cancelled for 20 minutes straight.
People need to sack up and not cave smh
When that Asian girl said "I don't want you to be put in a separate category because it would make you feel like you were not what you feel you are, but I also don't believe it's fair that trans women are put in the same group as ... uhh.. women" (paraphrasing)
There is nothing wrong with saying that trans people should have their own category but she is worried that it might upset some people when she just says it without contradicting her self and making sure she is safe
@@3choblast3r4 trans women should be allowed to compete with cis women. End of story
@@ninjamusic9554 No they shouldn't, are you an athlete? I doubt it since your pic is anime
@@ninjamusic9554 Do you feel that disabled athletes should have to compete against fully abled body athletes. I would hope not because it wouldn't be equal. This is what Cis women are trying to say. Their opinions matter as well. The equal thing would be for trans athletes to compete against trans athletes and they can decide if they want to create two categories for trans men and trans women.
This was painful to watch. The non-transgender people were so timid and barely brought up strong points. Push them on their arguments! You can see people are so afraid to say anything to challenge the trans narrative. Put me in the ring on this one.
There's literally only one thing to talk about, which is male puberty. That's literally the only thing that causes any problems with the concept of trans athletes.
The downfall if you push hard enough these students have scholarships and could be canceled/kicked out of sports
Testosterone confers physiological advantage beginning in utero, then again in early childhood when male children go thru prepubertal changes, and in puberty. These physiological differences remain despite cross sex hormones and surgeries.
@@RionPhotography which is an issue that can’t morally be tackled. Boys can’t make that type of decision before puberty begins, therefore it’s impossible to make it fair in any moral way.
I'm not sure if you'd win or you'd be so aggressive and cringe that people would stop watching the episode. Jubilee often has 1 or 2 of those per video.
It doesn’t matter how many hours you train, you have a biological advantage!!!!
i know that was a mad thing to say, he's training male parts its more of a thing to keep quiet about
@@mrsmith7936 she*
B.... b.... but... you had a protein shake!!!
This was the most insane comment. Maybe the green haired person doesn’t understand the definition of an advantage.
@@macdeluxe733 😭😭
The problem is they are almost exclusively talking about hormones but that isn't the problem. It's the height, lung function, and bone density. Those don't change upon transition.
*vaccine existing* is to *20th booster*
AS
*running stop signs* is to *T-bone accident*
Yeah but don’t some women have these biological advantages aswell? Otherwise there wouldn’t be any competition in sports if everyone was at the same level???
@@flickoftheforce eedee
@@flickoftheforce Some women may have higher levels of x y and z, yes; BUT it will not be many. A huge proportion of men would have the advantage if they transitioned. It's a probability issue.
@@flickoftheforce For sure, but the gap between women and other women is nothing compared to the gap between women and men. Both Serena and Venus Williams lost to a German male tennis player who ranked around 200th in the world - dude didn't even warm up properly, and he beat them both by himself. National women's soccer teams have lost to teenage boys before. The difference is ridiculous, which is why we have divisions separated by sex, because otherwise you'd rarely ever see a woman in sport.
I feel like the non transgender athletes were holding back or being extremely careful about what they say so that they wouldn’t be labeled transphobic even though almost everything they said makes logical sense. We need to stop labeling people as “phobic” just because they say something that goes against what you think.
And thats what they call self censorship and thats when a lot of bad things in history happen.
Yup
thats true. you can see they talk slowly to not say anything offensive. thats why jordan peterson argument is important "In order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive"
Pleaseeee preach this 😩
preach! teach! enlighten!
“I don’t care if it’s unfair for you, as long as MY feelings don’t get hurt.”
-The entire trans sports community
“I don’t care if it’s unfair for you, as long as MY feelings don’t get hurt.”
- The entire cis sports community.
It’s the same argument either way. Feelings will get hurt regardless of how this decision comes down.
@@mikekwon4439 do you mean regular people when you say cis?
@@mikekwon4439it’s not unfair to them lol it’s totally fair. It’s just not inclusive
@@mikekwon4439 but it's not unfair for trans people
@@mikekwon4439that’s some narcissism there
I’d love to see a similar conversation involving biologists, kinesiologists, and other scientists that fully understand and can articulate exactly how transitioning can affect anatomy, body mechanics, strength, stamina, speed and how those things impact competitive balance.
The problem is that Progressive scientist will abandon Professionalism, ethics, and truth for their new age religion.
They're too afraid of the social backlash. If the world was normal this issue wouldn't even exist because the scientific community would have laid it to rest before it even began
@@michaelknight2897So when an actual professional makes an analysis based on facts and logic but it happens to align with a progressive viewpoint it’s suddenly “abandoning Professionalism?” How convenient.
It seems like you’re the type of person who only believes in science when it fits your viewpoint.
Exactly. I see too many people making viewpoints on scientific topics who at best read like a few vague articles without researching the topic fully. To be honest, I think this question should only be answered by actual experts and not by neither liberals or conservatives who claim to know biology.
@@margaritasytcheva2730 there is no such thing as a Progressive expert. Progressives will abandon professionalism, ethics, and truth for their ideology. We see it daily. That is part of the core problem.
Omg comparing a protein shake to having natural male hormones is the most ridiculous thing ever!
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Lol it’s literally like saying me taking whey is the same as injecting TRT
Especially when the "woman" looks nothing like a woman. Of course there's an advantage. If it's the hill they're willing to die on, I think we should really ask whether enabling that behaviour is really healthy for society. If they're in denial of reality when it comes to sport, how else are they denying reality?
@@meowpoosaymeow ok i will compare women to crying cuz of ur female hormones.
@@frishter ah yes, my favorite argument, this trans women doesn't look like what I think women look like, therefore they have an advantage in sports.
How much you look like stereotypical women doesn't determine your fitness, sorry.
Why are we passing this off as a belief and not something that’s based on reality and backed by science?
Because that's not how anatomy and biology work
@@dudeswithacamera1187 it is?
EXACLY!
@@dudeswithacamera1187 it literally is 😂🤦🏾♂️
Exactly, if people did their research they would know trans people who have been on hormones for a year or more have about the same capacities and hormonal levels as the gender they transitioned to.
The fact that Lia Thomas was ranked in the 400's with the men swimming but then starting winning as soon as he swam against women. That's the winning argument that proves the theory.
100%. Her trying to attribute her success to "happiness" is insane.
You could’ve said this without misgendering her. I agree with you, but being blatantly disrespectful makes you sound just as bad.
@@mikapb How did that classic State Farm commercial go? The one with the Jake guy wearing Khakis?
Feelings don't override reality. You don't get to abuse women athletes just because you feel like it.
Hah?
lol whatever that means
@@rigdbyit means that completely altering a female space for a bio male is sexist. Same misogyny, different face.
Agreed feeling like your a woman and actually being a woman is 2 completely different things its sad when us straight individuals are forced to play into someone's mental illness
Hye guys,please help me form my opinion based on logic and facts
I have a question,i stumbled upon a video,where an argument was made that even differences races have different bone density,so why all men teams are not segreted
So does anyone has a strong counter argument for that?
Please provide factual,and scientific approach to the argument
Thanks in advance
All the trans-athlete's arguments are disingenuous. They never addressed any of the Asian girl's initial arguments.
Bc they can't and they know it. Therefore they deflect and change the subject
It's called deflection, its really not in their best interest to answer her questions because they will just lose.
Deflecccccccctionnnnn
Tbh, the Asian girls argument only applies on trans women. It's far fetched to say trans people have advantage in sport because trans men exist too and they have disadvantage competing against cis men.
Also, just because trans women are usually slightly taller and more muscular than cis women, it doesn't mean they actually have advantage in sport. If we want to make sports really fair, we would have excluded 6ft height women from a woman team with average 5ft height. But we don't do that because we just accept that some women are taller than other women. So, why should there be an issue if there's a trans woman with 6ft height in sports, if the difference of height can be tolerated among women ?
@@ninjamusic9554 Nobody is arguing over the advantage of trans men, only of trans women, OBVIOUSLY. Also, weight and height are probably the lowest impact factors that give trans women advantages. Muscle density is 100% an unfair advantage. Start using your decaying brain before it's too late.
Jubilee dropped the ball on this one by not throwing a doctor on both sides. That would be more interesting imo
Doctor athletes?
Cause there's no doctors available on the trans side LMAO
@@WoodiePlays LMFAAOOOOOO DUDE YOU DONT NEED TO SAY THAT
@@jas-vr7hx don’t bring gay people into this. We are not one in the same and it’s tiring. You want to debate trans stuff keep it to trans people and not gay people. We have different goals in society.
@@jas-vr7hx why include us everywhere with you trans?i personally don't associate with lgbt community,most of us don't care that much about trans and don't want to be included with them(maybe drag queens care).Stop throwing homophobic everywhere and include us with trans,we don't like it a lot.
I feel so bad for these natural athletes who are soo damn careful with what they say so they won't be labeled as 'pHoBiC' how ridiculous and messed up that people continuously refer to people as 'pHoBiC' just because they disagree with what u agree
ppl will call other trans ppl who disagree transphobes 😭
did ya run the word "phobic" through a random lettercase generator or something my boy?
@@donnamarie33 yes, because trans people can be transphobic. just like how gay people can be homophobic.
@@rigdbylmao that makes no sense. How are you going to be transphobic but still transition? How are you going to be homophobic but still be gay? An actual homophobic person will shove those urges down as deep as they can. Just because someone says something you don’t agree with, doesn’t mean they’re all of a sudden all of the “phobics” no you can not be gay and homophobic or trans and be transphobic
I'm going to scream if someone else says "only 1 trans athlete was a champion". Lia Thomas was not the only champion. Several and I mean several high school track, rugby, biking ,wrestling have been champions over the course of five years. There aren't that many trans women, but by percentage they represent a huge portion of winners in half a decade. We have to look at worldwide data and at all levels. Not just college and pro. Development matters because they are the future college and pro athletes.
There shouldn’t even be one. Create other two categories for trans women and trans men and let them compete against one another without biological advantages or disadvantages.
No offense to anybody but I’m kinda tired of this topic lol it’s so glaringly obvious that men and women’s sports need to be separate, no matter which gender you transitioned into
I’m gay and I agree as well
The "biology" of any two trans-men/women can be wildly different depending on a number of factors: their genetics, if and when they went on puberty blockers, if and how long they've been taking hormones, etc.
A lot of people don't seem to understand this.
@@marytc2714 wtf lol that was hilarious 😂
@@STI.Ricardito why 😂?
@Founding Fathers that makes sense but women has been very synonymous to female for a long time. It’s just looney weird activists trying to change that definition. I want Trans athletes to thrive and compete but not at the expense of women with not even half of their strength n speed
People need to stop using examples like "this girl in my high school beat all the guys in a sport" or "I'm trans and I didn't get a scholarship" as an argument for a huge debate like this
Literally not a debate. It's middle ground. The point is to hear the other side out.
can you provide the reason why?
@@LoomiYT because they are personal experiences that are not and can not be generalized to other. But facts, stats and studies can be.
Yeah, of course there will be a girl that beats all the guys somewhere. But on average, that’s really rare and it’s not an argument
Funny thing is that it was all anecdotal for the trans side, as well as non professional athletes in hs ms etc
As a woman we basically have our hormones all over the place due to periods and pregnancy the fact that this persons levels will stay the same show that it’s not natural at all
Yeah, it’s not natural. That’s the whole point. They act like hormones are those magical pills that turn them into females, as if our hormones are the only thing that make us women.
And it is an advantage as well. Being consistent with hormones is an advantage wether they like it or not
you can’t even argue that trans women have an advantage in sports, it’s a fact 😃
transtifa doesn't care about facts
💯the truth!
Having a trans league isn’t wrong. There are Paralympic leagues for paraplegic. Why? Because it’s an even playing field
Trans players are at the same level as cisgender players
@@fathergascoigne6104 not all of them comparing them to gender
@Lincoln D lollll well I learned something new today. This whole time I thought what OP said xD
actually paralympics aren't very even because of the varying degrees and such. There's also quite some cheating. But we know it's the paralympics so we don't take it as harshly. We also wouldn't with trans-lympics.
but it's not always an even playing field. People can be in different stages of their transition.
By not having doctors discussing this, Jubilee is only furthering the confusion of the topic. Finding a doctor who denies the advantage of trans competitive athletes could be impossible to find though.
Precisely.
It would be the opposite tho
True, that’s probably why they didn’t do it
I think the purpose of middle ground is to get real, authentic opinions derived from those with a certain experience/knowledge of the subject. However, bringing in professionals such as doctors, blurs the line between opinions and what they believe to be “factual information”.
The issue is that not all trans athletes has an inherent physical advantage.
Not all trans people are born male, and some trans people start transition BEFORE puberty (which is before the body develops any advantageous or disadvantageous physical traits).
That's why you might have a hard time finding a doctor that tells you straight up "trans people, in general, have a physical advantage in competitive sports." Because the answer is more complicated than a simple "yes" or "no."
I’m convinced that the trans roller derby person just wants an excuse to beat up women
I doubt it - and I say that as a current player. We have several leagues in a drivable area that often converge with co-ed scrimmages and most of us use the opportunity to play with bigger/better/stronger/faster players (several of my teammates are all-stars for my state) as an opportunity to level up. I am not yet at the level where I'd feel safe volunteering to skate against a team heavily stacked with guys but it happens every day. Sometimes when we're short at practice one of our refs plays the jams. He is a slightly built gent but fast af and powerful. One of the things about derby is that its inclusive to all kinds of different women. Some of us are shorter, thinner, taller, heavier. We play within a strict ruleset with refs and nobody plays until they pass minimum requirements. And nobody signs up for derby with the expectation that they're not going to get hit.
I feel like I live in an alternative reality. A huge, great bloke with green hair saying that women are not at a disadvantage competing against someone like him. Its downright crazy. Absolute delusional insanity
I mean he’s only about 6 inches taller than me .definitely heavier than me , 130% more power than me , stronger bigger bones . But no the jolly green giant don’t think he’s got an advantage. I might do a 100 metre race later . Race against under 7’s . Don’t think I’ll have an advantage do you ? 🤦♀️
"Are we gonna make categories for CIS athletes?" Yes, yes they have actually. Feather weight, heavy weight, etc, you know why? Because of advantages and disadvantages
i like to play baskedball but I'm short all tall people have an advantedge for me. Are they going to make a league for short baskedball players?
We might as well eliminate categories and divisions.
@@Rein_ Maybe they should. Don’t know who would watch it tho. If I recall correctly then midget basketball does exist and you would fit perfectly there! :)
@@Ardkun00 then most cic males would dominate , and I don't know if that's what you want
@@spinosaurusstriker
That way trans-cheaters won't get anything at the very least.
Sports are not segregated by gender identity, they're segregated by biological sex. This debate's completely flawed until people find a way to change their sex
Transitioning changes 4/5 of a person's biological sex, if they end up doing what cis people think of as a "full" transition. The only thing that currently can't be changed is chromosomes and those aren't particularly important in your overall physical makeup
@@VictorMatthieu and their bone density, lung capacity, heart size, wingspan, etc. :)
@@VictorMatthieu
If you can’t change your chromosomes you can’t change a single step LOL. You’re lucky if you can transition 1/1 billion
@@VictorMatthieu chromosomes are literally the only things that are important to your make up. You have to stop their gene products to fully transition.
@@VictorMatthieu Chromosome are super important, every new cell your body produce is either male or female, people transitionning will have to take hormones for the rest of their lives because without them they will come back to what they were biologically, you just can't change your biological sex once and for all. I think that's also why you have so many trans detransitionning they just realize they'll never become a fully functional being of the opposite sex.
I am an ally and I have always been for trans rights but we can’t ignore the fact that there is a huge advantage competing as a trans women. Not to say they don’t work hard or don’t deserve a spot, it’s just scientifically and biologically impossible to ignore the advantages. Cis women just don’t have those advantages and never will, so to make them compete against someone who does have those it’s unfair and unethical. We need to come up with a separate category and support everybody.
What are these advantages people keep talking about, cus I just haven't found any?
@@feikedejong5247they've literally talked about them in the video. Longer limbs, higher bone density, bigger heart and lungs, more muscle mass
@@birthemuller7310 Shocker, tall people have bigger internal organs and longer limbs.
These limbs and organs are the same size in proportion to their height. It'd be rediculous to say that's an unfair advantage. The points about bone density and muscle mass just aren't true for athletes on HRT.
i am trans and i 100% agree. you’re sex isn’t gonna matter a ton in day to day social interactions but in some situations, like sports, it’s gotta be brought up.
@@feikedejong5247strength, lung capacity, bone structure and density, height, and so on. obviously you know these sex differences exist, though, otherwise why would people transition at all?
All this showed me was that the non trans folks walk on eggshells to avoid being labeled a bigot.
"If you truly believe that transwomen have an advantage even with hormones, means that you believe that transmen have a disadvantage, even with hormones."
Yes. Afton, that's exactly it.
No, that's not what it means. Biology is baked in, especially after puberty. So a male who decides that he wants to transition to female doesn't completely undo everything that has happened prior in his life simply by taking hormones. In the same regards, a female doesn't gain all of the advantages that a male had when he went through puberty. Biology is baked in regardless of whether you take hormones or not.
Well, yes, top trans men athletes have a disadvantage against top cis male athletes. But that has more to do with the athletic gap between males and females than anything else.
@@Andres64B That's what Afton said, which is what I agree with. I don't see your point.
@@JustSomeLint If that's what Afton is actually saying, then it's an argument against letting Afton play against or with women. Why would that argument be made? It's counterproductive. It's essentially admitting "I have an advantage". Anyone born a male, like Afton, has an advantage despite taking hormones. And, anyone born a female has a disadvantage, despite taking hormones. That's an absolutely clueless argument to make.
@@Andres64B Afton was saying that sardonically because that wasn't an argument she believed. I don't disagree with your point about biology setting puberty in at a certain point in *an* individuals life.
The statement that Afton made, that she didn't mean, is saying "if you think transwomen have an advantage *then that* means that you think transmen have a disadvantage" doesn't counter anything that you've said. Or anything that you, or I believe. But it does counter Afton's belief. Which is why she said it not only in the manner she did, but with the larger context she had said it with.
edits in **
Sports are not about feelings… Sports have rules… it’s about being fair and having everyone at the same level
Sports have never been about fairness, have you as an example heard of basketball
And this isnt about feelings… its about science…. which concludes that trans athletes are not at an advantage. Don‘t act like transphobia is part of the game, it‘s not.
Preach it
@@madeupname3008 yes
@@Noone-dk5ih how is basketball unfair
Why do they put "female" for Afton and "male" for the two trans men? I thought sex and gender are different? This ideology is so inconsistent
It’s pretty simple
Why don’t you see the same level of success with females that transition to male?
Hats of to the level of respect each person showed one another
The cis athletes were trying to be as reasonable as possible by giving arguments that generally applies to all athletes while the transgender athletes were just being anecdotal most of the time.
Because it's important to communicate and understand
Not true. The cis athletes coudln't even come up with a reason as to why trans men shouldn't compete with cis men
@@SydneyScream that's because they'd be labeled as transphobic if they said what was actually on their mind
@@SydneyScream Maybe they weren’t trying to get canceled
@@SydneyScream because they used to be females and they have female bonestell for anything goes wrong that's going to be a lawsuit for no reason just like when it comes to the trans females playing for the female teams it's not going to be fair
I support trans rights but the advantage is clear and it’s delusional to think otherwise.
Same. I feel like trans athletes are just fresh outta luck unless they're reflex and prescision-focused rather than a strength-focused athlete.
I think there is a potential for advantage. Biology is inherently unfair. The complexity in categorizing the functionality of a person is drastically more important even if it’s not initially clear. If your deciding to limit the ambition of a vulnerable population.
Exactly. Sometimes facts need to come before feelings
Sports statistics prove it undeniably. How often does a new athlete enter a new sport division and immediately do incredibly well and dominate it ? Not very often. Unless you're the trans athlete in which case it is almost every time.
It’s not tho…
Leah Thomas was ranked 523 as a male one year later he transitioned and was ranked #1 in women’s. That’s all you need to know. Please show me a weightlifting record for men and women that is really close to each other. I’ll wait.
Blaire brought me here. Came to read the comments and I was not disappointed.
On the one hand, we hear many complaints about Transwomen dominating women's sports,
and on the other hand, we hear no complaints whatsoever about transmen dominating men's sports.
What does that tell us? It is unfair to put Males and Females on the same playing field even after taking hormones of the opposite sex.
The physical differences are still there, and males will always have the advantage.
Isn't it funny how no one replied to the most sain comment on here? Biological men are dominating womens sports but biological women don't even make a dent in mens sports. Case closed your honor.
True! The fact that those trans women weren't even a thing in men sports but got qualified and entered women sports with no struggle just tells a lot too. We have men and women sports separated for a reason. And these selfish people trying to deny that blindly just for their own feeling
In what world does a woman beat men show me the podium
Also depends some sports can be mixed
@Sharkie he's confused but gots the spirit
I really want to see a part 2 with medical professionals to validate facts, rather than listening to anecdotes
they can't tell the truth because they're afraid of losing their jobs.
You're right that is the video we need
Not even neil dagrasse tayson can say anything because people will cancel him, imagine a normal doctor he would probably lose his job.
@@ted396 Sadly, this is the reality, they have to appeal to the mob. Bringing in medical experts wouldn’t work as you would expect
I learnt a new word today thank you.
There are athletes that are mediocre before they transition and champions after they transition. That says it all.
They got some raging narcissists on that trans side. That green haired one just wants to hit women.
People are doing themselves a HUGE disadvantage by trying to rid of FACTS to make individuals feel better. We have to keep it real at some point.
You couldn't say it any better. I hate sugarcoating
What are the facts? That men are always stronger than women? Honestly this is just not true at all. I literally do better than the majority of the men in my climbing gym.
@@MartaValentin3 then you're still asleep. It's literally common sense.🤦🏾♀️
@@MartaValentin3 on average men are stronger. regardless, men and women have strength differences because of biological makeup. that cant be ignored. jesus
@a_fever_dream ♡ lmao but we aren’t talking about average people are we? We are talking about PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES. so your response means nothing.
Isn't it weird how we haven't seen a single biological female transition to male and have any resemblance of success in sports against biologicals males?
There are many that find success in sport 🤷
@@matthewwearing4926 No there aren't
@@matthewwearing4926 No there aren't
@@matthewwearing4926 name one
I meen the men who transitioned to women have still been defeated
Afton just casually saying there are co-ed roller derby leagues and that Afton joined roller derby after 4 months of transitioning is crazy. Afton just out here in female leagues loving beating women up, so ladylike.
fr like just join the co-ed if you’re so worried about outing or whatever
Not about equity, it's about fairness to women sports.
This really sucks because the women who actually tried to stand her ground had to tiptoe around in effort to not hurt the feelings of the other speakers.
She wasn't tip toeing around the Trans to avoid hurting their feelings she was walking on eggshells to protect herself from getting cancelled, harassed, bullied online and called a Bigot..or Transphobe!!!!!!
But ...youre absolutely right though when you said this sucks!!!!!😩 it really does
Notice that this is always the women that will be the loser in this. This only helps men - bio or trans.
How do you know she wasn't just trying to be respectful towards trans people? And why does basic respect and empathy "suck" in your eyes?
@@npcimknot958 yeah i think the same and that’s really sad
They always seem to ignore the argument about transitioning after puberty. They completely disregarded the comments about a larger heart, greater lung capacity, greater bone density.
The woman did mention it at a time but later on did not use it again sadly.
Because there is nothing for them to argue against lol, those are just (uncomfortable) facts. They're not medical researchers to know any counter argument papers/science, so they just ignore those points to escape the cognitive dissonance and go back to their favorite talking point.
@SomethingReallyStrange
So what's the solution, removing the gender division in sports altogether due to statistical outliers?
@SomethingReallyStrange This is just not true for many trans women athletes. I wish it were true so there wouldn't be a problem!
@@punjgurl No one ever talks about when trans women athletes lose.
Of all the sports out there... ROLLER DERBY?! Just say you want to hit women and go on.
probably gets smashed at roller derby
Green hair conivinced me to disagree with them even harder
kinda sad, seemed like the trans people could really speak with confidence because they could never be "wrong". everyone else had to dance around their answer to make sure they don't get cancelled.
How is it sad💀
@@dooby5833 how is that not sad, people can't say certain things for fear of being "cancelled" or things of that nature, if that isn't sad to you I think you're missing something lol
@@lukelauther9333 Idk it just seems to be kind of dramatic to make a big fuss about cis people being afraid of getting “cancelled” for their beliefs whilst trans people are afraid of getting murdered for their identity
@@dooby5833 don't think I made anything dramatic, I just pointed out a difference in the answers and if you couldn't see that difference than that's on you
@@dooby5833 If they aren’t transphobic, then they’re not going to get “cancelled”. If they’re afraid their beliefs will lead to that, then they think their own beliefs are transphobic. Best not to share them if even they think they’re problematic.
“I’ve trained very hard” every athlete trains hard for their sport. That doesn’t negate your biological advantage. And changing your hormones doesn’t get rid of the physical advantages that your body has already acquired during puberty
Different men are born with biological advantages over other men, some have really bad athletic genetics, some have great ones, where is the issue then to allow trans people to compete?
Then explain why there is no proof trans athletes retain an athletic edge over cis athletes?
There are literally studies that show just that: trans women perform equally to cis women after 1 year of HRT. All advantages erased.
Sports aren't a competition of freaking bone density. Measuring bone density doesn't sound fun to me
@@ThomasBomb45 you clearly aren't in a biology major.
@@blazefa. yes some might have better genes to perform better. But you have to put in the effort and practice.
As someone that isnt from the united states this just baffles me. Why is there even an discussion about this? Transgender women have a huge advantage. They used to be males. Now they are a slightly weaker form of male. But they still have a stronger frame, residual muscle mass, thicker bones, stronger bones, a more efficient respretory system and many more advantages. Its not just about the hormones being gone.
How is this even up for debate? It’s like asking if an able bodied person has advantage in a race against someone in a wheelchair.
this truly isn’t about feelings or beliefs. it’s facts. trans women truly do have an advantage against other cis women. however, trans men most likely have a disadvantage against cis men.
@Are You Going To Do The 'Ora Ora' Thing? you even bothered watching that video?
@Are You Going To Do The 'Ora Ora' Thing? that’s literally what I was thinking. I play soccer and watched both men and women. The differences are clearly obvious and men are generally quicker, stronger, and the play is a lot quicker now. My high school team once played agains the women’s team and we won 4-0 without even breaking a sweat. The game would not be the same if it was coed.
Exactly
I hate the term "cis" but i get your point. Its true
But how we address that is up to subjective belief.
"sports should be gender neutral"
No, just no.
At elite levels, women would rarely win. In some sports, never, in others, little and in very very few sports, yes.
Agreeing with this is just naïve and woke for the sake of being woke.
If you want to do mixed, fine, like team racing (equal men, equal women), archery, fine. But, for example, contact sports where size is important, no, it just wont work.
I agree!
*never win
Let them do it; not a trans ♀️ in the world will be able to compete with actual elite level ♂️s- which is the whole point
they wanna be so woke and help the woman compete at higher levels or with an but they don't see that its damaging to them as well, less woman would overall win meaning they would get less recognition and earn less etc
Why not do it based on weight and height?
At elite levels women would not even be in the equation anymore. Making sports gender neutral immediately destroys the chance for a woman to become an elite athlete for 90% of sports
a study amongst 312 kids age (10.8 +- 0years) found a greater strength, aerobic fitness, speed and agilty in boys against girls. Girls won in balance and flexibility.
the first testosteron rush in a boy is inside the womb, the advantage is there since day 1.
Biological males literally have SO many physical advantages compared to biological women, it can NOT be overstated. Hormones is literally just a small part of it.
Slightly infuriated me when people kept looking at this based on their feelings/emotions instead of facts.
Yup
Unfortunately that's the world we live in today. Intelligence is becoming less and less common.
Facts are important but feelings are valid in getting that message across cause you need to be aware of who you are dealing.
@@lona9461 when they were talking about the endangerment of scholarship, the person didn't even discuss about that issue he just said "I didn't get scholarship" and was all about his feeling, but in the outside perspective he is deem as selfish and lack of empathy. To be honest this jubilee video is pretty bad representing the trans community since they keep avoiding the question or argument that is presented
tututuuttuutututt
1. Testosterone and a protein shake are definitely different. 2. A lot of these trans athletes ideals are very emotion based not scientific.
Facts. Facts>feelings
A lot of EVERYONE'S ideals are emotion based so what point are you making?
@@gametime2473 I don't believe you don't understand what point he's trying to make. I don't believe that's an intellectually honest question.
Unless you're going to say you don't believe that the vaccine mandates are alright? That we shouldn't listen to the science and encourage the vaccine and that companies can't mandate the vaccine because it goes against their ideals.
Just seems strange to me the ven diagram of people who believe that trans women should be able to compete in women sports and those telling people to listen to the science, trans women are inherently given an advantage in sports are two totally separate circles...which kinda highlights the absurdity of this discussion.
exactly
Their entire decision making is dominated by their emotions, hence the transition.
Everyone is so scared to offend the trans heroes.
Sports are a measure of physical ability, not identity.
As a medical student, I was taught that are differences between biological sex and gender. My school teaches us how to approach transgender health, but at the same time, if you are a trans woman, for example, you are still more likely to get lung cancer and colon cancer like a biological male. Changing your gender does not change your sex chromosomes. Hence, we are taught to approach treatment based on biological sex in certain cases and gender in other cases. The same thing definitely applies to sports as well. It's important to have equality and recognize someone by their gender. But regardless of gender, a person's biological sex will also play a huge role in their strength as well as the medical problems they are more likely to face.
Sorry but all that matters is the truth, what you're born as. If you want to pretend to be something else, go ahead. I'm not gonna lie to make you feel better though.
Trans players perform the same as cisgender players
@@fathergascoigne6104 factually incorrect
Well said. I come from the same place and was struggling how to put it into words.
@@fathergascoigne6104 what sport are u watching? Bcuz in boxing, you're incorrect, in track, youre incorrect, in weight lifting, You're incorrect. What sport are u speaking on?
Are we just going to ignore the obvious here? Having contact sports be gender neutral would literally be dangerous. I played soccer for years and I'll be damned if I had to play against biological men LMAO. It gets physical enough playing against women. I couldn't imagine being pushed around by men on the field lololol
exactly so true i play tennis and when we have mixed matches, my male opponents don't get tired as soon as me they can literally play upto 4 hrs+ whole max i can do is 2-2.5hrs. im genuinely thankful that we don't have gender neutral sports
Imagine rugby
@@ded_inside2159 In comparison to cis men, yes they physically are. By a huge margin
@@ded_inside2159 weak isn’t the right word, everyone strength is usually proportionate to their size and testerone levels and bone density so disadvantaged would be the better word
@@ded_inside2159 Anecdotal and irrelevant
Summary of video: lots of people talking
Summary of facts: Yes, transwoman have an advantage
This was the worst debate. Maybe they should've used athletes from schools where people are actually allowed to have different opinions because it's painful to watch non trans athletes navigate their words in a debate to not be called phobic
exactly
Trying to cater to everyone's feelings isn't the magical utopia people think it is.
Facts!!
The reality is that not everyone can be included.
It’s not even physically possible
I think it was Trevor Noah or someone who said imagine if Michael Jordan identifies himself as a female and joins the female NBA. Although this is not Michael Jordan but we are getting to see the effects of men joining female side of the sports.
@@omarfarique6304 noo. Wasn’t Trevor Noah. It’s was Dave chapel
It sucks no one mentioned how menstrual and ovulation cycles plays a major role on athletic performance. There’s nothing to talk about here lol
Half of the arguments in the video ignores science all together, lol.
Makes you drained and tired all day easily 🥲
exactly what i was thinking
what... you can't speak truth on the internet... write a book instead.... ;)
Oh they don’t care about that it’s all about feelings over here no logic at all menstrual cycle doesn’t exist
Why is Jubilee calling trans identified females(TIFs) "males" and trans identified males(TIMs) "females?" I thought even the most radical TRAs(trans rights activists) believe sex and gender are different!?
These trans identified people keep saying that it is only about body type and hormone level. Why don't women's records compete with men's with any rate of regularity? The top women athletes are the best women have to offer. As mentioned, how many different leagues, weight classes, body categories, etc. do we need to attempt to match body type to body type all so men can compete against women? We're going to need to have leagues for the 6 ft tall females to compete against the 6 ft tall males, BUT not the big muscular males versus the 6 ft tall model frames. And for those 5 foot tall females with bodybuilding bodies, we are going to need their own category that do not compete against the 5 ft tall feminine males. And dont forget to address their hormone levels! But the TRAs are saying they DON'T want to take this route, so just let all TIMs in women's sports. At the end of the day, let's be honest, this is all because TIMs want to be "affirmed" as women, not because they "just want to play sports." It would be 100 times easier to have trans leagues than all this other nonsense. We also don't see TIFs fighting for inclusion in men's sports because they simply do not qualify. The only times we hear about them actually competing are as children. However, who thinks child sports are comparable to adults' professional sports? If they were, as I said earlier, the female's records would be competing with males with regularity. How many of the TIMs that aren't winning against women would even qualify against men? Most of the best women don't even qualify to compete against men, let alone beating them. How many times do we hear the TRAs say we can't do this or that, because of THEIR SAFETY! But say one time it is about women's or girl's safety, and they immediately say TIMs aren't a threat or that we're being "transphobic."
Are we supposed to do the same with prisons? Because I don't see trans identified females fight as hard to get housed in men's prisons as trans identified males do. I wonder if the TIF who says women MMA fighters are kicking their male sparing partner's butts, would agree with putting TIFs in general population of men's prisons? Or, suddenly will biology play a role in their safety? Small framed, skinny, feminine men aren't given special privileges just because of their bodies.
At the end of the day, I think we women will have to bite the bullet and play the TRA game. You say we're "cis?" OK. Then we want "cis" women sports categories, bathrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, prisons and shelters. If the stunning and brave "allies" want to affirm these TIMs by competing against them, changing in front of them, or being housed with them, then by all means, do it. But give those women the opportunity to put being an adult human who is born female the chance to compete against other females. I suspect some TIF would be claiming to be "cis" when biology gets too real.
Yeah I noticed that, and it's really a butchering of language that we require to understand reality. Calling a TIM a "female" is just throwing all sense of reality out of the window. I have to assume Jubilee just really do not understand basic biological terminology.
We need doctors vs trans athletes
Felt like this conversation would've been a lot more productive if there were two athletes and two experts each to represent both sides. Experts would've been better able to address biological differences and the degree to which those differences are tolerable/intolerable for the fairness of sport. I was also surprised at how many agreed that hormone testing is fair given the cis women that were banned for high natural testosterone this past Olympics.
Yes to everything you said
Great point! I appreciated having athletes in this discussion rather than just random people with strong opinions, but there were limitations because of the lack of experts.
Exactly, I feel like this conversation really is only meaningful when it's being argued by medical/scientific experts.
Yeah I think a lot of people kind of just look and say "oh trans people have an advantage for so and so reasons" but if your talking about hormones there's cis men that produce high levels of estrogen and cis women that produce high levels of testosterone so it isn't just a trans issue despite what some people believe
Experts would be afraid of getting cancelled. Every time a study went against the narrative that trans women vs cis women is an even playing field, the ‘scientist’ in question started making up excuses for the trans women... the backwards bending 🤦🏻♀️
It's weird how society today just ignores ,downplays biology to such degrading levels, and I felt so many participants here were so afraid of putting the facts without being offending. What kind of foolery are we heading towards.
*vaccine existing* is to *20th booster*
AS
*running stop signs* is to *T-bone accident*
It's the day and age we are living nowadays, you can't disagree with anyone
Facts!!!!
Great
society is doomed, we can't even stand for ourselves now, they're forcing their beliefs on us, yet a lot of people were so afraid to speak for themselves
Something humorous about calling someone who does roller derby an athlete.
The world has gone insane. How is this even a discussion…. Do they not believe in biology? Science?
I have a Trans friend... she brought this topic up and asked my opinion (without telling me her opinion first)... I didn’t want to possibly offend her, so I said, “I don’t know?” She then proceeded to say, of course it’s an advantage and isn’t fair for the other cis women that play. This really isn’t a case of being transphobia - it’s common sense.
It’s not really the arguments that people have a problem with, it’s the way you say it. The people in the video were rly respectful, but there are people who straight up say “men that want to be women” when talking about trans women in womens sports.
@Vou h amab (assigned male at birth) people who want to play women’s sports. Trans women are women, cause gender is in the brain and not the body.
@@iristhesc9792 snowflake
@@iristhesc9792 snowflake
@@iristhesc9792, I agree, there needs to be a respectful discourse when discussing something that is such a sensitive subject.
"There's no proof of any trans athlete that is number one in any category right now"... That did not age well..
Do you know what right now means
@@terrificpage347 You're clearly not smart
One trans person wins something and y’all lose your mind lmao
@@mads8875 Bruh? What are you on about?
@@DeyBeuller wym? everyone freaked out when lia won. they acted like that’s the case for every trans athlete. which it isn’t. because trans ppl have been participating in sports for years and many of them are not top athletes. suddenly the spotlight is on trans ppl and everyone acts like they’re the expert.
things change all the time and this video pissed me off more than just comments like this. why are trans ppl facing violence and persecution at such a high rates and media is obsessed with bathrooms and sports?
did this answer your question?
The person with the green hair going on about not having an advantage over cis women is hysterical lol and the point about fearing for safety playing on a trans league, while not caring about the safety of cis women who have to play against them is wild.
Thank you Jubilee. I had strong opinions about this but now I see the other view point. Why these conversations are SO important instead of demonizing others we need to talk. What you do is what I have envisioned doing myself. Find the common ground with two opposing viewpoints to bring Americans back together!
That's the point tho.. there isn't anything new under the sun and playing gender pretending is just the latest mental illness..
This is what happens when logic, fact, common sense, statistical data, proof and science flies out the window in favor of "feelings". Feelings are the only thing that matter, if their feelings are validated, that's the only thing they care about. Then they want the world to bend and agree with their feelings. So narcissistic.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Anecdotal vs empirical.
I find this whole group who wants to push logic aside narcissistic. Only me me me... narcissism is one of the biggest problems in the world and selfish enablers.
How those enablers and narcissists are gaslighting kids! into this nonsense... that's what really breaks my heart
The US women’s National Soccer team got clapped by a bunch of 16 year old boys. What more evidence do you need?
Entitlement…
you mean "their feelings", because they clearly don't give a fck about the feelings of the sport women.
I really wish there was better casting on this episode considering how important this conversation is. The trans athletes didn’t respond to any of the valid points the other side made and it made the whole conversation really one sided. It amazes me that the trans athletes in this video completely denied any advantages/disadvantages that they might have because they are trans. Sports are not about gender, they are about sex (has nothing to do with what you identify as but has everything to do which your biology). It would be like going to a doctor as a trans person and them treating you as your gender without taking into consideration how your biology might affect the treatment plan. People nowadays are so concerned with feelings they forget to consider the facts and science.
This^
Fuck I want to like that a hundred times. What’s at the end of this road?
We're evolving...
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Just backwards
@Pink Velvet It's an important conversation because it's a current issue and most people don't know if the facts outweigh the moral dilemma of the situation. It might be common sense for you, but clearly not for everyone if people are still debating the issue. You are not the only one who would be involved in the conversation and it seems very self centered to say that the whole conversation is unimportant because "it's common sense" in your mind.
Everything is true is this. There was literally no other side in this debate LOL
I would consider myself a biological female who happens to have more muscle mass naturally and broader shoulders. My husband has a smaller stature and is about 40 lbs lighter than me. He could still take me down easy in a wrestling match, running, lifting, or any other competition. I was very athletic and could come close to males, but they still beat me even if they aren’t top of their class or even middle.
This Is UNHINGED! I'm a trans woman myself AND there Is absolutely no way O can agree with trans women competing with women in sports, SPECIALLY that rollerderby transwoman, omg How can she stand there AND say she does not have am advantage when she Is so tall the stage light don't even hit her head un the begining shot
So do you think tall women should be banned?
It’s a fact that men on average have over 70% more muscle than women..end of discussion.
Well there is also IQ’s which men dominate too. Perhaps a look at sports like esports, chess, karuta, and such also proves this to be true, besides the numbers of male geniuses being far greater.
@@sirmister9099 nobody’s cares about men and women in non physical sports
@@sirmister9099 Don't you think the higher amount of "male geniuses" has something to do with the fact women have historically been denied access to higher education? There is no scientific evidence that suggests there is a difference in IQ between the sexes.
@@xenoshunn8965 very true actually, however men are more likely to take bigger risks and making better decisions under pressure. On the flip side though women are better with analysis and noticing small details you like you female intuition, yea thats backed by science
@@uhhcoolstory5627 Actually it matters lol look at chess for example they have men only and women only championships. Also theres 37 women GM (grand-master) chess players in the world vs 1683 men GM. That means that IQ is also a factor between men and women
"We do have weight categories."
"... well for certain sports."
Yes, exactly.
ok make height categories for basketball then
@@fanatanutuivaiti8337 I agree with you😊
@@fanatanutuivaiti8337 they kind of do hight discriminate though. Short basketball players aren’t the majority.
@@disappointment3090 is it discrimination tho?
@@fanatanutuivaiti8337 there are it’s called positions. Generally shorter players will be guards while taller players will be forwards and centers
A respectful discuaaion which is really needed. It was pretty clear that the athletes that were not trans were being careful with their wording but it's up to everyone how they approach a debate. They best solution is to have a female category and an open category. The question regarding trans-men is an interesting one, how much benefit comes from hormone treatment compared to what you through during puberty?
I am 100% sure that a Top 50 Male MMA Fighter would rip apart the female MMA Top 10 in the same weight class without shedding a tear. I feel like people are valueing some peoples Emotions over reality nowadays...
try top 250
I could also guarantee that those top 50 male fighters could transition to female (with hormones) and still beat them as well.
@@richieferrelli6318 Try top 15 of anyone in any UFC division. Go put Nunes or Shevchenko against Petr Yan LOL
Have you not seen female MMA fighters? I'm a martial artist and I've gotten my ass handed to me by many women in my weight and skill level. Martial arts, especially at that level, is primarily a mental game unless you're literally just taking turns bashing each other over the head.
Lucia Rijker vs Somchai Jaidee, the most accomplished female fighter in history, an undefeated female fighter in boxing and kickboxing Lucia Rijker, she got knocked out and beaten easily by unknown average muay-thai fighter somchai.
By the logic of the trans group, there shouldn’t be a special Olympics
Special Olympics?
Most of them belong in the special Olympics tbh.
The special Olympics allows many people with different abilities and disabilities compete one another. It aligns with the transgender group???
That dude with the green hair looks like the Hulk. You don't need a doctorate to know this is wrong. You need eyes.
Such an informed debate between these esteemed biological scientists.
"Like you know, like, whateverrrr."
“but like what if you had a protein shake”
@donnamarie33 it's all hypothetically tho
My male partner and I, a female, started going to gym at the same time. We did the same workouts for the same amount of time and ate all the same things (we live together). Starting from both of us not going to the gym for over a year and both being naturally thin people with a three inch height difference and a weight difference of 10lbs, he quickly surpassed my lifting abilities. Males are just naturally stronger 9/10 times when put up against a female of the same/similar height and weight. It’s not transphobic, it’s just the way our bodies differ
exactly, and taking hormones wont change trans people enough to make the gender differences negligible
Males are naturally stronger because of testosterone. That is why athletes take testosterone as steroids to get an advantage. Trans women lose significant muscle mass and strength with testosterone blockers, and trans men gain. Same way cis women gain muscle mass and strength when they take steroids.
@@DjurslandsEfterskoletestosterone isn’t just for muscle mass. Either way, hormone replacement isn’t enough because u cant change bone structure/ density
@@DjurslandsEfterskole You should take a day and read up on this whole subject since you´ve made it very clear that you lack alot of knowledge in this.
@@jessicadixon6815 No, indeed he is not. It would interesting to know how long it takes muscle mass to deteriorate due to estrogen after going through male puberty while continuing to train at the same level as you did pre HRT. I think thats a big part of things, we don't know the science for sure yet so naturally, people are extra skeptical.
Seems like there should have been a distinction between "Sports" VS "competitive sports". Everyone should can enjoy sports regardless, but how we judge high-level athletes in a competitive and professional setting is very different. Only Howard seemed graze at that topic when he spoke about legislation and regulations.
Maybe it’s not fair but so many female sports stars have been quitting lately, perhaps it’s time to flood women’s sports with XY women because XX women aren’t tough enough to hack the pressure.
@@poocrayon4588 which female stars are you referring to?
I'm not being antagonistic (I am very critical of trans athletes in sports) and I wouldn't be surprised, but this is news to me
@@poocrayon4588 what the hell is that argument? 🤨
@@blappichulo9015 Well there was a 2 or 3x women champ in marathon or smth and she got aced by a trans who was just rank 300 before transitioning and never competed again. But yeah it's the only one i know, so it's not really a big thing where many women r leaving, but it does and did happen.
Yes
I'm so tired of ppl thinking since the hormones are lower then it's ok to compete against females. The human body is not just hormones.
I like how there's this moment of men transitioning to woman but no one wants to fight for woman becoming men to play with born men. Lmao 😂
they know 😏 when you know you know 😂
Having an advantage doesn’t mean you will always win, but it means that your opponent’s chances of winning are diminished. So yes, physical ability in most sports can or not be an advantage to you. My problem with how they are arguing their points is that they are basing them on feelings and not facts. I get that trans women feel attacked when involving sports, but unfortunately, it is an unfair playing field.
Love this comment. It is straight to the point and still respectful
i mean… a cis woman who’s taller and has naturally more muscle mass or testosterone will have an advantage over most cis women but that’s not a reason to ban her from the sport
@@FreakigesSternchen cis women who have higher testosterone levels than the normal, are also banned from certain categories
@@jessicativane6813 And do you support that?
@@FreakigesSternchen it doesn’t matter whether I do or not, my comment wasn’t on that 😅
When Afton compared drinking a protein shake to hormone treatment I had to laugh, that is such a ridiculous comparison! Also, recognising that trans women have advantage does NOT mean I am okay trans men having a disadvantage. I don't know what the solution is here but to deny the facts is not it.
I feel like whichever side you're on, everyone knew that his analogysecond
The solution is to have Trans individuals in specific sports such as boxing mma or sports where physical attributes play a major role in the sport they play now sports where it is more like Nascar or other sports the like then you can have those sports being gender neutral
@@miguelgutierrez3720 So Trans people should only be allowed to play certain "gender neutral" sports but should be denied others? I don't think so.
@@MistaTamilan How am I being transphobic? I am clearly advocating for equity as much as possible but I acknowledge it is a complicated issue that I don't have a perfect solution for.
You need to learn the meaning of transphobic before you start throwing it around. It's kinda toxic _and_ embarrassing.
@@MistaTamilan B isnt being transphobic this is a tough situation as a female that lifts and studies biology there is physical differences between male bodies amd female bodies that hormones and surgery cant change that and makes playing certain sports just unfair
It's like asking if 2+2 is truly =4 or not
The guy with the green hair is super buff
I'm happy that trans-athletes are being given a voice, but this debate contributes nothing of substance because it's a bunch of non-scientists having a 'debate' about biochemistry... am I wrong? Like what's the point of this video exactly?
cause it'll get clicks (and money), and it's a big talking point right now. They know that people are going to watch this, because so many people are enraged simply by the existence of trans people. I say this as someone who is trans lol. That's literally why the video has been made - it served a purpose for the company.
This wasn't a video about biochemists. It was about the ideas coming from the people who are affected be it trans athletes or cis.
This is an important conversation to be had because there needs to be realizations of the nuances in social and political ideology. We all have our own ideas of how the world works based on pur experiences and knowledge. This here allows for us to try to come to solutions or paths foward about how we can address this topic.
Instead of being in a vaccuum of thought that most social media platforms support, this makes you hear different sides and angles of this topic.
@@gerrywilliams1392 I rather here factual data so we can come up the a factual conclusion. What us the reality of it, what are the facts. What is possible, What would be fair. A biochemist is far more indepth with this. So yeah I get some random talking and representing but someone who is formerly educated on some matter to fact check.
@@gerrywilliams1392 But in other videos they do have scientists (eg. the flat earth one), so you can definitely hear both sides while still having people who are knowledgeable about the topic
But why wouldn't they talk about it? At the end of the day their the ones affected not the scientists