Are the rules for trans athletes fair?
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Transgender athletes may take part in the Olympic Games for the first time. But allowing transgender women to compete in women’s sport is provoking a heated debate about inclusion and fairness.
Click here to subscribe to The Economist on TH-cam: econ.st/2xvTKdy
For more from Economist Films visit: films.economist...
Check out The Economist’s full video catalogue: econ.st/20IehQk
Like The Economist on Facebook: / theeconomist
Follow The Economist on Twitter: / theeconomist
Follow us on Instagram: / theeconomist
Follow us on Medium: / the_economist
In sport, women and men categories weren't created because they felt different. It's because they are physically different. It's as if a boxing superweight said he should compete in the lightweight category because he feels lighter
Spot on.
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Well said
Spot on
Exactly
No one in their right mind thinks a biological male should be permitted to compete as a women. This isn't 'controversial', it's patently absurd.
The only way it would be fair is to have a new athletic category for transgender males and another one for transgender females.
atam mardes, not enough people therefore not reasonable.
You do realize that MTF trans people take estrogen? The amount of it they take makes them much closer to women than men when it comes to athletic ability.
@@danielmay7266 taking oestrogen means nothing! no amount of oral or injected oestrogen will undo the organizational effects of androgens during puberty. on average, individuals who have gone through puberty as males will have height, strength, speed on their side.
I support people embracing their own unique sexuality but this insistence on competing in female events after a mtf transition has nothing to do with an individual being allowed their own private life.
The problem here is that the people who keep saying that MtF women who have undergone a year of testosterone suppression still retain a significant competitive advantage don't actually have any evidence to support their claim outside of "lol I'm just right". This lack of evidence is exactly why the IOC hasn't changed their rules in the past couple years despite how much it's been talked about.
“it’s clear that legally and socially we are” yes but this is entirely an issue of biology
They also aren’t legally, they are always recognised as their own gender for medical and legal reasons...
G Didn’t we stop segregation like...60 years ago.
Even nor socially. No one wants to date a Transgender..
Give them an inch, they take a mile
Yah because wearing black face is evil yet dressing up as a caricature of an entire gender is fine.
Nothing against trans people, they are human and deserve respect. But we are talking about sports and fairness, and in this context there is an unfair advantage.
Well put~
@James Hampton true, trans people basically denies who they are, why would they deserve respect when they cant respect their own
Yes but if you believe trans women are women then it is no different than lebron having a biological advantage than a 5 foot 6 weak man
@@ObeseGorilla229 people are born with biological advantages. If you really believe trans women are women then it’s no different
@@garenthal9638 no its not, there are 2 clear physical distinctions in biology, race isnt one of them.
Imagine being so woke, that you start repression of women...
right? it’s a huge slap in the face when people who claimed to be feminists and want to fight against the domestic violence against women and want equality ignore that men are physically stronger. we aren’t scared to walk alone at night because of how men look, but because we all know they can easily overpower and hurt us
Just another sociopath hijacking the message for their own gains.
Ironic, isn't it?
Those making these calls are not feminist, they are misogynists. They have just found a new system to exploit to further their hatred towards women.
@@tiredgardener That may be how it seems, but some advocates are deluded women who believe they are being 'progressive' and inclusive to trans people.
"Do trans athletes have an unfair advantage?"
Next time on: "Is the Earth actually round?"
Cedric-Asseh Liemessing
Next up
Is water wet or does it make things wet
The answer at 5
They already did the earth thing
Christians were right all along.
Well funnily enough no the earth isn't that rigid and it's not quite a sphere so therefore because physical boundaries are vague the earth is a social construct
welcome to 2020 where both are now contested...
If they didn't have an advantage they obviously wouldn't be smashing every record.
How many records have they been smashing
@@trash_girlfriend Weightlifting records across the board (some trans have been stripped of records because they were deemed our fakr competitors like in Richmond), NCAA records across the board most most notably in the 200, 400, 800, long jump, and high jump, high school track and CC records, and in cycling. You can find entire lists on articles if you just go a simple Google search. It's really depressing that they're allowed to compete.
@@pottingsoil what a time to be alive.
@@trash_girlfriend if you would be open minded with the news you read and the facts you accept, other people wouldn't have to google for you.
And to put into context they make up the smallest proportion of athletes. I think one crucial element with the Olympics is that an athlete who gets gold recieves up to several 100 k from his respective country. Every country has a different scheme, most are lower, but it still is a significant sum for an amateur. Now I'm not saying this is the main reason or in fact any reason for the people involved. I dont think anyone would undergo gendertreatment for the money. But it is an incentive for them to get recognized in normal Olympics since separate transgender Olympics would be like Paralympics. Little to no financial gain.
"No one has a competitive advantage over each other"
Then why split it into male and female if "sport is never level"?
Why don't they just compete with other men if they don't see an advantage
And why there is no debate about trans people who want to compete with males? 🤔😂 Oh wait.. Are there any of them?
Right!
I know right!!if no one has a competitive advantage why can't I use my sports car in the cyclist tournaments???
Rachel sounds like a 12 year old participating in a race against 8 year olds and being proud of winning.
Not trying to belittle women. Just making a bad analogy.
Well said.
Yeah she's so smug about it. I can't stand it. Makes me think she does it on purpose.
Probably not even transgendered. Just realised she'll never get a medal competing against men, so tried this.
There should be a transgender category too
@@hritikpanwar4014 yes
I’m trans but really it’s not fair. At the end of the day male and female biology is different. Someone transitioning at the age of 30 won’t make for a fair competition
👏👏👏 agreed
Respect 👍
Yep. And I'll always be the real version of what you pretend to be ❤
The entire world is trans.
we need more people like you
Strongest man in the world: male
Strongest female in the world: also male
lol
@Buttbanging Trannyliberal Glamour Magazine woman of the year 2015: Caitlyn Jenner
Male power!
Lol
2026 Olympic... all male competition, some with long hair on the women events.
I identify as a gold medalist so I won’t accept bronze 😂
I wish it wasnt that easy to sum up their entire thought process
So true lol
How original 😒 ...m0ron
@@pebbles92able 🤡
@@nanamin7298 yes you are a clown
"Do trans athlete have an unfair advantage?"
Is that even a question🤔
Do trans athlete have an unfair advantage?
Do big women have an unfair advantage?
Do big men have an unfair advantage?
Do young people have an unfair advantage against "senior citizens"?
Is that even a question?
Is not. That why there regulations and categories. In the past women fight to have their own category because there were invisible behind men.
To be fair in some point I history in boxing everyone belong to a unique category, but they created a bunch of categories because a big men have actually advantage against smaller men.
@joey macdermott wrong. sports is about competitive people with the same qualities and quantities. You cant compare a fish to a rabbit because they are completely different. What's consider cheating imp is a trans women against biologically women, it's like saying look I take vitamins or a booster and I am going to crash them. Unbelievable. I'm not a hater nor transphobic, it's a criticism. You can take it and improve or remain the same.
It is for the retards on the sad intellectual sewer that is the modern left.
bobby macdiarmid there is a thing called weight class, you idiot
It is strikingly astonishing how you guys have ignored the major unfair advantage such as socio-economic background for years, and now everyone became a biologist. There could be no better word to define this situation than hypocrisy.
"Do Trans athletes have an unfair advantage?"
Answer: Yes!
Not if it's female to male.
Does a 6 foot tall woman have an advantage on a 5 foot tall woman? yes, it's just how it is
@@derekmartin2054
And stronger muscles and thicker bones and more endurance and quicker reflexes and so on...
I don't care how people organize those sporting events, because I don't watch them anyways, but it seems to me that a lot of people, who do watch women's sports, want to watch athletes, who grew up as women.
Only to transwomen
Technically, it's a dude with pink hair, glasses, and nail polish
At first, I thought it was Skrillex from 2009-2010 lol
This shouldn't even be titled a question... the world has gone mad
I 100% agree
NOOO AMERICA HAS GONE MAD
@@JrryThrdJnsFurth I'm so sorry my friend.
@@turokk3352, IT HURTS EVERYTIME 😢
I've always assumed that despite the world being more accepting of LGBT stuff, Transgenders in women's sports was a boundary they wouldn't cross for obvious reasons. Apparently I've been living under a rock because here we are.
How tf do people not see how this is going to destroy women’s sport
Have we seen any trans men in men's sports? Not that I've noticed. Hm wonder why
humans dont care about women nor do women raise their voices
I'd be more than happy to let it happen, let those feminist deal with it since they want equality, let the left destroy each other.
Crazy how Laurel Hubbard competed in the Summer Olympics as a trans woman and won no medals. Seems like women's sport is still intact to me...
@@hellohowareyou7495 yeah, no. This is against feminism. We don't want men dominating women's sports and this is NOT equality.
There needs to be trans-only events or it will NEVER be fair.
That's always the point! and there would always be accusations that the world is not trying to be all-including of gender identifications, when sports is a first and foremost a physiological competition.
@@whytee11 "life isn't fair" was always told to me while growing up. And I'm more concerned with women's rights than trans rights.
@@paulschumacher4308 it's like, "just because it isn't fair, doesn't mean that we should give up on making it fair" for me. And I wouldn't say I am more concerned with this than that, but we should be cautious when we're making it fair for one
@@whytee11 I agree. I like things to be as fair as possible, but if fair is impossible then we should negatively affect the least amount of people.
All 20 of them worldwide can compete....
Corona also thought it was unfair so she had the event canceled.
Even covid 19 protested this kind of hypocrisy. Its all coming together
🤣🤣😂🤣🤣
“And it is clear that legally and socially, we are.”
But biologically not
Their in a dream world where they denounce gender exists, right down to biological reasons.
@@AngelEmfrbl
*THEY'RE definitely in a dream world.
*THERE will be consequences for all of this someday.
*THEIR defiance of the natural order will come back and haunt them.
*THERE'RE more videos talking on this topic.
@@uraharamitchell7250 smooth correction :)
@@snapperjessen As smooth as a wildebeest stampede driving through somebody's living room.
I literally screamed those exact words bruh cheers
Scary how this is even an argument. The west is descending into madness…
All thanks to the Cultural Marxism and Feminism
The west is sending sattelites the size of a bottle of Coke to orbit the Earth. We're still the best.
@@vaporwaveisdead he was talking about the Society not the Technology
@@egg4489 This same freedom of thinking boosters both technology and excentric ideas. Trust me, if the idea doesn't make logic we're throwing it away. It happens that in Africa, Russia or Middle East, people haven't even achieved such advanced philosophy. They're buying our products, receiving humanitarian help and telling us how to act. It's like children telling mom and dad how to behave.
I totally agree with u
its unfair that trans women can participate with other women. Its not even about being discriminatory but they are just physically different.
Why does the women's category even exist then?
Tyler Knight Because men are biologically built stronger than women. Having them separate isn’t in any way to be sexist, it’s to be fair.
@@laurenkelley1171 the cyclist in the video says that Dutch women are taller and that is an advantage. Why isn't there a Dutch women category in competition? Nonsense, we say, it's not important enough to make that a category. And therefore, we are assigning a value judgement. Extending this logic, if we don't make a category exception for physically stronger dutch women, then it's inconsistent to make exceptions for women in general on the basis of physical differences. Perhaps you could say its consistent because only weaker groups get their own categories (e.g. no controversy with transmen competing with men), but even here it's not ALL weaker groups. Save for boxing, weaker men don't get their own categories. Trans women then say their exclusion is based on gender, not physical differences.
But the difference is Dutch woman is born taller, it would be different if a man who passed thought male puberty (who is probably taller than average female) transitioned recently to female.
Tyler Knight If I’m understanding you correctly, you say that a Dutch-woman-only category would be necessary to give weaker woman an equal opportunity. The only problem is that height is not always necessarily an advantage. Just because a Dutch woman is taller it doesn’t mean they are faster or stronger than another woman.
But when it comes to any competitive sport in the olympics, things like bone density, amount of muscle and lung size certainly do matter.
Men are biologically stronger not just because of their height, but greatly because of these factors. Which is why there is a separate category for both men and women.
This is an absolute joke
ahahah says you
@ I said "says you" not "says who", I was implying that @Google Mailbox is a joke. Learn to read you dingus 😐
I think womans can't play video games
@@mortsobtw2594 k.
@Vic Birth yes
People defending this are literally ignorant and they don’t even see it. Someone said that women should “just train harder then.”
theyre absolutely not ignorant... they are using this a cynical power grab
Trans women on HRT (hormone replacement therapy) have the same levels of testosterone as cis woman. These athletes take estrogen and progesterone which significantly drop muscle mass and make it harder to gain muscle. Basically they are on the same level as cis women. Of course that only applies to trans people on HRT. There should be regulation and testing for testosterone levels but all in all its unfair to exclude athletes from sport when science tells us that they don't have a biological advantage
@@anastliliop5819 Men have stronger bones by design than women, biologically. Taking estrogen, makes those bones even stronger. A mans heart, lungs, and limbs don't get shorter or smaller. Already developed muscles, don't atrophy automatically. Considering the fact that men like Mary Gregory was "record breaking" for "women" is just one example. Science dictates, that trans identified males, actually do have an advantage. And, it's not rocket science.
@@anastliliop5819 It is not settled science that they “don’t have a competitive advantage” and these lies that you all insist on telling is exactly why there is so much backlash against these trans “activists” and gender “theorists”. There have been plenty of studies and professionals speaking on this and the idea that a biological male is of the same physical capacity as a woman bc he doped himself up with hormones is not scientifically confirmed. You all are literally running around spreading these lies for the sake of accommodation.
@@triggered577 didn't I provide studies for both points trying to be objective? Unlike you I prefer seeing both sides of the coin before settling down to an opinion. And yes I'm not fully convinced that trans women should be allowed in female sports but I try to keep my mind open.
Also a little side note it would be better of you didn't misgender these people. The fact that they, in your opinion, have an advantage in sports doesn't give you the right to not respect them
“This is about are trans women actually women and it’s clear that legally and socially we are”
Me: Well, but not biologically.🤷♂️
yeah these morens forgot reality
I'm an MMA fighter for 10+ years. I've beat many women all over Ireland.
My brother has less than 3 years experience but crushed me and hes only 17-
Men and woman are diffrent. Even with training and years and years of working out I as a woman will never be as strong as a man.
Males and females are different! I wouldn't want to fight a guy again
Black White Finally someone with a brain...speak the truth always
Even Serena Williams admitted that she would get beat by an average male tennis player because physically men are biologically stronger then women. It’s not transphobic it’s just fact. I’m all for trans rights but when someone who’s never won a medal let alone broken a record and then suddenly transitions and wins/breaks records in female sports, we have to start looking into this unfair bs
Black White I am 5 foot 10 Asian guy .. and at my leanest about 77 kg.. I could do 18 pull ups with very strict form.. this female at in my college told me she felt confident she could beat guys in sports .. I told her why do not you try your strength against me since I am not much bigger than you. Let just say she was surprised how this slim looking guy was so much stronger than her.
the olymics will soon be 50% men and 50% men acting like women
Can't I use your quote? lol Love it!
Ah yes, the transphobic comment I was looking for
@@Mango-nf2wn im glad you found it
@@Mango-nf2wn ah yes the clueless idiot I was looking for...
PTB ay more men dominating
When you're weak enough to compete with men , so you decide to bully women instead !!
Frfr this women in mma got her skull cracked open by a transgender women and she wasn't even told she was transgender before the fight it's honeslty so messed up how do feminist support women getting there skulls bashed in by BIOLOGICAL men ?
*too weak
And feministard still don't see this as an inequality for woman.
A male body means you can train way harder, for a longer time, while recovering faster after every workout and maintaining a lower injury risk. And no transition can take the years Rachel had that tremendous advantage away from her.
Okay, you say, but she wants to compete in sports, what do we do? Well, I want to be an astronaut, but due to health issues I never will. That's all. Life goes on.
Rachel can compete in the male division. Rachel is male.
"LEGALLY female"
probably the most meaningless defense i've heard in a long time
yup since it's just an M or F on a piece of paper, i look at Rachel and I see a man doesn't matter if he puts on some makeup and dyes his hair.
Edit: *I AM NOT TRANSPHOBIC* , as long as what your doing isn't hurting or effecting anyone negatively, I don't care, but in this situation it is.
Why is it whenever someone talks about trans people they're instantly labeled transphobic?
@@smilesxo06 in based hungary thats banned now lol
Yeah feminism also
We all know how everything that is legal also conforms to common sense.
The constitution shapes reality, don't you know?
@@chrism3790 nice sarcasm
He literally said, "Legally and socially, we are".
Notice they forgot to mention biology...
Exactly and that's what makes us real women . Biologi but they pretend like its nothing😒
Rafee, your problem begins with you thinking the "SPORT" is the issue lol.
They pretend biology is fictional
She, not he.
@@ekkso5630 he*
I feel sorry that female athletes have to deal with this awkward situation with trans people, especially because the backlash on this proportionally small group is so crazy
@Bezz80 Thanks for confirming the backlash is real.
Maximilian Heil it's a bit more than awkward since all women's sports will have to end. Well they will carry on but with men only.
You just made me cry.
@Alex True
@Alex oh wow I sure do feel bad! Oh no the spocky transes are gonna come and get me!!!1!,!1!
Social science is all about narrative and perspectives.. but SCIENCE is the reality which no one can deny..
how her criticism is immediately shunned as hate speech...
Same thing happened to JK Rowling, this is getting out of hand, where stating facts it’s taken immediately as hate speech.
Chromosomes aren't a metric to measure a system of sportsmanship.
Chromosomes can't tell pretty much anything beyond giving a vague indicator of what genitalia they *_might_* be born with.
@@Eric-sy1xu Wrong, chromosomes ALWAYS determine your abilities
@@E9X330 Not ALWAYS, but partially, yes. There are men that are less able than some women.
@@tysfalsehood I never said that couldn't be the case, was not talking about sports exclusively
No, trans athletes dont have an unfair advantage. Paraplegics can also beat Usain Bolt in a 40 m dash. Giraffes can successfully swim across entire oceans. 1 + 1 equals 56.
literally the stupidest debate out there
I have no faith in our leaders
Agreed. Just let them do their thing. How haven’t people thought that trans women usually have takes estrogen?
@@danielmay7266 Taking estrogen is irrelevant, if they have gone through any puberty without hormone blockers, they have a physiological advantage that no amount of estrogen is going to compensate for taking as an adult.
I agree. who cares. It doesn't affect the one's competitions and that is all that matters.
@@Agtsmirnoff I forgot to mention that over time it suppresses testosterone levels to the point where women, trans or not are closer to each other than they are closer to men. That's why I put the emphasis on the estrogen.
Did y’all see the UK guy who never lifted weights in his life and one day said he was a woman and won the champion! BS
He did lift tho ? Just not professional .
Zuby does lift tho. An average man who doesn't workout has zero chance of beating the womens record without training. Don't discredit women that much...
@@NyanLama459 I was not aware he had previously lifted weights however it does nothing to discredit what I said, for it is very unfair for biological males to compete against biological females. Zuby is still an effective example of how easy it is to also just for no reason to say your female, and thus win a women’s trophy. He was not even a trans person. But always men competing against women is wrong. It’s ridiculous because the very reason we made separate classes for men and women is to make it fair. I think trans people should be in there own class, separate from biological men and women. That would be fair. This women claims she doesn’t want to disrupt the Olympics but that is precisely what she’s doing and then she should have no problem competing in her own class against other trans only. It needs to be fair.
@@stpeta17 it would be a freak show
@@stpeta17 I'm an above average lifter for a male, if I were a female I'd be a world champion.
Let The Games Begin,... “The Transgendered Games”. Let them complete amongst themselves. Problem solved.
This, or stay at their respective biological league
Lol the TransOlympics
Where the "Women" outperform the "men" events lol
Exactly
Yeah except that creates another problem. Revenue. People barely pay attention to the WNBA, so no ones gonna watch whatever league that would be. I’m not supporting Trans athletes cause It’s obviously and insultingly unfair, but I’m just saying that I don’t think that solution would solve anything. Although I could be totally wrong and it could be a sensation, ironic or otherwise.
@@mikeydudek2885 totally agree, ofc its just a theoritical solution, the reason why it will not run well is probably like you said
0:44
"Why exclude us on sport?"
Because you are a man participate in woman category
Exacly
Exclamation mark!
@Noobbish It'd be ironic if the same people now want them out
But its ok being called trans an not a woman. Kinda dumb
@abernsdorff make trans sports
You shouldn't play with men as you are lowering your ability to play efficiently and you shouldn't play with women because you are naturally more efficient than them
Average male athletes cheating their way to women's medals.
In gaming terms, trans females are OP and needs a massive nerf to balance things out.
@@kmagnet4181 cringe
@@kmagnet4181 another hormone pump and flush to nerf themselves. Isn't sports supposed to be a celebration of human physical capability? Hormone pumpers should be treated like doping user, they're denying their own physical capability.
Transphobic, verrryyy ruudee👎👎
It'no surprise that they want to cheat. How could you live as a true professional athlete if you can't live with your own gender.
Imagine being a women, training ur whole life
Being the best u can be
Only to come second to a trans women
@@useraccount1087 trans woman and trans man are confusing to me...lol
EX-Man and EX-Woman would be appropriate...lol
@@dannybenhur6123 I believe the name X-Men is taken
@@williamhealy6381 best ive seen all day you got me laughin😂😂
@@dannybenhur6123 No they aren't appropriate and what's appropriate to you doesn't matter! Transwomen shouldn't compete with cis women but neither should you think your ignorance is valid or appropriate!
@@dannybenhur6123 Tip: trans people refer to themselves with their current gender, ie a trans woman considers herself a woman (and wasn't before)
The _"Sport Is a Human Right"_ slogan's just too much. Nobody's denying transgender people to do sports. Rachel McKinnon could cycle 24/7 for the rest of her life and nobody would care. It's the competitive and financial elements in it that make it unfair.
Linda Stevensen can please say "his"
Bcs they need atention in everything.
His*
watch the amount of "transgender women" that jump into a boxing ring for the Olympics
The best part of this interview was when the interviewer started stating the differences/advantages between male and females in sports. The transwoman athlete said "you are talking about "the elite" level though". Reporter said, "arent you competing at the elite level though?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭
Like bruh we aren't even talking about some random club in a city that u Pay 50 Bucks a week to keep urself in a condition
It's true at every level.
It's at every level. After running HS track for just 2 years as a boy if I were competing as a girl instead, I'd have broken at least 3 track and 3 field event state records. Maybe 4 each actually.
Which interview was this please? It's not in this clip
which part were you talking about sir ?
He is talking about freaking height and not addressing the fact that he is a MALE with an XY chromosome.....Your height alone doesn't give you an advantage, your whole DNA makeup gives you advantage.
This is basic biology. Men and Women are just not the SAME.
Apparently some Trans people don’t know simple biology at all
She*
@@subbot4417 he .
toëntje SHE was born a biologically male but is in the process of transitioning into a trans women.
@@subbot4417 no its He ..and doesn't matter how much they cut him up ...it always be a He
"Sport is a human right." That might be the single dumbest quote I've heard.
No I've heard one that is worse. The guy who insists he is a girl and wants to be allowed to smash females in weightlifting was asked why he should be able to compete against women and he literally replied "Why not?"
Yea.
well actually it is, doing sport doesn't interfere with others right, and when a right doesn't interfere with other right then it's a human right. but it's totaly irrelevent here thoo...
I'm 5'5. I'm too short for the NBA. I want to wear stilts because I have talent but was born this way (short).
@@jasondashney no! NO!! You walk right in there and you TELL them that you are 6'4" because you SAID SO and that they are NOT going to "invalidate you" or "erase you existence" by saying that you aren't!
@@jasondashney just identify as 7'0" lol
When you couldn't win in a male category…
... that they never competed in.
Lưu Phương exactly!
Well said
@@danielmay7266 because they immediately gave up
DigBloopers, in what? The male category? They never even competed in it. :D
If sport is never level then why doesn't Rachel McKinnon compete against men?
Exactly my point if the only reason is to compete and not to take unfair advantage not to mention money recerds etc go compete with men .
If this is right why they took 7 titles from Armstrong he could declare himself as a vampire maybe and that is why he needed the new blood . 🤣🤣🤣🤣
People like him or whatever her are shame to lgbt community
@ken, 'cause "Rachel" doesn't stand a chance in male competition.
Cause he was trash
The fact that people are even having q debate over this is simply insane
A cheetah identifying as a male human finishes Olympic 100m sprint in a record 1.2 seconds!
I laughed out loud more than I should have 😂
_"Stunning and Brave"_
That's a bit exaggerated.
Assuming constant acceleration the cheetah would experience 14.5 g's (compared to 3 g's astronauts feel during rocket launch).
He would also be able to outrun any formula 1 car or fighter jet by a long shot.
In 2012, an 11-year-old cheetah (named Sarah) from the Cincinnati Zoo set a world record by running 100 m (330 ft) in 5.95 seconds over a set run, recording a maximum speed of 98 km/h (61 mph).
Actually trans species..
“Are trans women actually women? Legally and social we are”
But physically? You know, the bit that gives you a huge advantage over women? I dont think anyone wants to exclude trans athletes, we just dont like seeing an unfair competition.
Scientific fact is that
1) A trans woman on HRT is significantly weaker than a cis man, forcing them to compete with cis men would put them at a disadvantage because hormones make them a lot weaker than the average male. Its not fair for trans women on hormones for over a year to be forced to compete with men.
2) if you compare and study a woman who happens to be trans after she has has been on HRT for a year and a woman who happens be cis there's sometimes negligible to no difference between the competitive stats. Why would the Olympics approve trans women under these hormone conditions if it wasn't scientific for over a decade even?
@@charvikripalani2270 talk about ignorant.
It’s like you people have never done any sort of sports with the opposite gender 😂
Your first point is correct but you miss out the part where its not fair to women for trans women to compete with women. However
It’s a scientific fact that
1) men have much bigger hearts, lungs, bone density, muscle mass NONE of which are going to change with a bit of oestrogen pumped into their body.
2) There are no trans males suddenly smashing world record yet trans males are suddenly obliterating women’s records and their sport. Why is this? Its almost like their is a biological difference between male and female 🤪
Having trans women compete with women will be the death of womens sports and all of their world records will be beaten. However, to me, having a trans only record/competition seems like exclusion. I don’t know what the right answer is, but for gods sake stop ignoring facts for the sake of being woke.
@@PUNKF001 Laurel Hubbard isn’t breaking many records. They can’t even win a world medal lol. Then again, everyone in weightlifting is pumped full of testosterone.
IF, biologically you are not a woman, then you are NOT A WOMAN,,,,,,, it's simple.
@@heckinbasedandinkpilledoct7459 one example of an old mediocre weight lifter. She should be trouncing her opposition. Maybe she tanked on purpose so people like you can say “see there is no difference” and she can keep her job.
I swear most people act like once they transition, suddenly they are on the same level as women, imagine if Eddie Hall did some HRT for a year, do you really think he wouldn’t annihilate all the females he could compete with 😂
Davies is a legend for protecting women's sport. Yes, everyone should have the right to compete in sport, but it must be done on a level playing field.
- Men against Men
- Women against Women
- Trans Women against Trans Women
- Trans Men against Trans Men
- Open Games (Where all compete with no limit to the amount of hormones or drugs to enhance performance, if they decide to take performance enhancing drugs or not)
If boundaries are clearly defined it will stop people taking advantage of their biological gifts to supress other genders.
This was beautifully said. 100% agree.
The open games with no limits on drugs and hormone use sounds lit 🔥.
Imagine a crackhead’s time on the one mile. And the wrestling and boxing matches from people on roids.
In all seriousness though this really does solve the problem just give them their own division and then have an open division to see who’s really the best of the best.
Well, some people argue that black people have a genetic advantage, so they have to be separated
Do you agree?
@@horminmangfi5653 By that premise, wouldnt you be implying that white people have an intellectual advantage?
@@aubreynaarcher8916 , that's the kind of point that I am making
People are up on stereotypes and divisions
So I want to see the OP's response
How does he behave when it's about race
As an ex competitive athlete this makes me so angry, regardless during puberty they have had the opportunity to grow bigger muscles. I do not hate Trans but as an ex athlete hate female sports but being fair.
Trans Woman: it's so unnecessary to keep woman and mens sports separate we're all the same.
Okay so compete as the gender you were born as.
Trans Woman: No I have to compete against biological woman or not at all.
Exactly.
to be fair due to how estrogen affects the male body it would be grossly unfair to set trans women against men
but at the same time it's not any less unfair to pit trans women against women
it's easiest to segregate them into their own category. ppl who don't think this is fair don't understand how UNFAIR it is for trans women to compete against women.
Coronavirus came in and said, “EVERYBODY LOSES!!!”
lol
Ha!
*"NO LIVES MATTER!!!"*
- Mr. Corona Virus
Stephan Stefanus 😂😂😂
CoronaVirus: No competition no arguments..perfectly Balanced as all things should be...
A truly pathetic delusion of what is a human right.
@@nebulabunny8633 except it's not just hormones. They'll still have an advantage in bone density, heart size, a faster metabolism that doesn't convert as much food into fat, biomechanical advantages with a wider back, chest, and shoulder span. All of these present from birth the extra testosterone is just the cherry
@@nebulabunny8633 not to an amount that would make it fair to actual women. Especially in terms of biomechanical factors such as proportional chest/back/shoulder width which is a colossal advantage that can't be fixed with a puberty blocker. Same with the way muscles connect to the bone for leverage, one of the biggest factors in power generation that is another thing a puberty blocker wouldn't fix
@@nebulabunny8633 yee i don't have any problem with what people feel comfortable being referred to as because it doesn't affect me in the slightest i just feel like we shouldn't go too far with what we decide is acceptable just to avoid hurting their feelings like in the topic of their physical advantages in sports. I feel like trans divisions would be the fairest way to go
@CoaCHSNiPeR weirdos? Trans people aren't weirdos, they're just people, what they do is not your buisiness, they're not p*dophiles, they're not delusional, it's because of their biology, all they ask is to have their pronuns and name respected. I'm not transgender and I'm grateful not to be but that doesn't mean I don't try to understand them and view it from their eyes. Also transphobe is not a made up word, just Google it
@@nebulabunny8633 how many athlete get hormone blocker before puberty ?
I can't wait to see the finals when 8 transgender men compete for gold in times that would not even get them into the men's finals
Transgender men or women? I’m confused
Frfr maybe the WNBA is gonna be more interesting
@Caleb DeCoteauAm I wrong to assume that you watched PragerU video before this one? 😁
You failed to be men. But that doesn't qualify as being a woman. The most distinctive features of womanhood is everything that is included in motherhood. You are not women. Not socially, not in any other way.
BTW, it is enough to take a break from HRT for like few weeks and the standard male hormone levels are up again - which is advantage in training, in recovery and in competition,
This is what happens when people agree more with feelings than facts
Makes a lot of sense in these times.
The same thing is happening with George Floyd.
It's just another Western thing, feelings over facts, they have too much freedom
@@センナ-h4c You sound like an Arab
@@myamdane6895 lol
“Sport is a human right” well I wanna play professional baseball I’m gonna sue MLB for discriminating against me by not letting me play
MLB IS EVIL. it's SyStEmatIcAlly DISCRIMINATING against average baseball players!!!!
They said sports you literal brainlet, not pro sports. Unless you practice to get better, just play normal baseball with friends lol
@@flamersshowsandmore3864 what if I’m too poor does that mean the government legally has to buy all my equipment because that’s what rights are a right means the government provides those things and can’t take them away
I agree I'm a 62 yo out of shape coach potato, how dare they not let me enter in the olympics.
The delusion and lack of self-awareness is staggering. She's talking to the camera with a males frame, massive shoulders, differently shaped hips and legs, thick bone structure and muscles. Doesn't matter how much drugs you take you still have that frame and benefits from puberty.This is not fair for the other female contestants. There are objective differences between male and female biologically.
That's what am also saying it's not fair
@@JeMand.Anders she is so selfish and as a matter of fact self-centered
It's a he.
Mark Paul Abare, Jr. i’m getting called transphobic anti-lgbt on tiktok for arguing this point. they’re just destroying women’s rights under the disguise of equality
@@kyliemiller173 Its scary how they can just ignore biology and make up these beliefs like this.
You always see mtf people trying to compete in women’s sports but hardly ever see ftm people competing in male sports
Big reason for that is because ftm wouldn't stand a chance against biological males.
they can't because taking testosterone is usually always is an automatic disqualification.
We wouldn't stand a chance and we know it
It's not that taking testosterone is a dq, their lvls are normal for a male. The issue is they don't have the same bone density and muscule structure as men. Put a f2m on a football field in the NFL and they will have broken bones after their first time getting hit full force.
@@soniamendez-rodriguez7884 False. The transgender Olympic rules state that "trans men" can do WHATEVER, have any testosterone levels, any surgery, and be allowed to compete against males. They don't because even boosted to toxic levels, they STILL don't have a chance against the best males.
Isn't it interesting how its only transwomen never transmen, coincidence? I don't think so.
Transmen are allowed to participate in men's sports. There's no restrictions for them.
@@anindianhomosapien7189 yes of course... bacause biolagical advantages is not an issue at all
@@anindianhomosapien7189 but did you ever see them win ?
Of course It is not. Because trans men usually are smaller than CIS men. Testosterone dont give them any advantage. So if you are trying to say this is a Sort of chauvinism against trans women, you are just wrong
How could they even enjoy their trophies knowing they won it due to biological advantages?!
There are people like that in all areas of life. Not much different than a rich person who gets satisfaction from conning less fortunate people out of their life savings.
The problem is they tend to play off the "we lost muscle" ignoring all the *other* advantages they had from their gender before they transitioned, as if they don't matter.
Every trophy won is due to a biological advantage. You think being 7'3" didn't help Shaq?
@@thetshirtblog As if it's totally the same as biological/natural women going against trans woman, idiot. If trans want to compete then help to create/open trans leagues. What they do to biological women is humiliation, it's a misogynistic attack. F*ck u very much.
@@salsaecebolinha5281 Where did I say it's "totally the same"? Perfect example of cognitive disadvantage on your end there bud.
South Park already made this clear
STRONG WOMANNN
Not clear enough
Dumb people dont watch south park, its too deep for them
That is a man who grew his hair out and painted his nails so that he could easily win games, I think trans women should be allowed to compete against other women, but only if they are fully transitioned and have been transitioning from a young age, and that they also need a diagnosis for gender dysphoria
“Athletes come in a huge range of shapes and sizes and natural ability” YOU BEING A WOMAN ISNT NATURAL YOU WERENT BORN A WOMAN YOU DEVELOPED AS A MAN
Oh Yesus, where did you learn this fascinating stupidity?
@@evergladescreations9641 I said stupidity
True
Exactly
@@yesuschrist8255 Maybe when did you get your common sense knocked out of you instead?
I saw this nonsense coming. I’m sorry, but this unfair for biological women.
*Sighs loudly*
For the 5th time in 5 minutes, there is no evidence to back up that claim.
@@danielmay7266 there is plenty of evidence, you just have to spend 5 minutes of your life and look for it.
@@danielmay7266 Doesn't change the fact that men gained bigger muscles and stronger bones after puberty.
@@danielmay7266 you have to be mentally ill not to see this.
Just create an open class for anyone to enter as well as biological male and female categories. Everyone is happy then as we all should be.
@@danielmay7266 let me know if the last transgender man to dominate sports.... I'll wait.
Question: But, but, but ... aren't you making the transgender person feel bad? Answer: I don't care!
I agree the women are feeling bad when they lose to a man with pink hair and much more muscle mass and more testo ... That thinks that he is a women i mean no one cares be whatever you want but dont ruin others fun and life just so you can be happy
@@inspyruse257 T him his the same as a woman, but scientifically unless you have a repressed "Y" chromosome, your a male. And that applies to only a handful of males who have that genetic disorder with their "Y" chromosome to begin with.
Insert spider man I have no fcks meme
Men sport: all men
Women sport: transwomen
Smh
sigh
V G but trans women have more advantages because they are biological male. If that is the case then it not fair for biological female
Wahman are the biggest supporters of LGBT movement, they deserved it.
Trans-men are free to compete in men's sports. You don't see many because they never win.
No such thing as a ''trans'' woman........ There are only men pretending to be women, for one reason or another. So, the whole question of whether ''trans'' women have a natural advantage or not is asinine............. Where are all of the ''trans'' men ( who are really women ) just waiting to compete in men's sports in the Olympics ? Why aren't there any ?
There is no such thing as "fair" when it comes to transgender athletes competing in women's sports. If transgender people want to compete, they should compete against each other.
Agreed
True to that
If these "trans" people are being genuine in their argument, then why is it you don't hear about chicks trying to act like dudes to compete against real men? Why is it only encroaching on women's sports?
@@disht2 women are allowed to take part in mens sport .. it's just not practical to put themselves at a disadvantage thats why
The women's world record for the 100m dash is 10.49 seconds, the boys High School record is 9.98 seconds. Enough said
Justin Thompson i hate when girls act like they r strong
Scorpen what did you mean?
Women can’t be strong? :/
Not as men
@@Scorpen Only because men are stronger on average, it doesn't mean women are "weak".
What are you talking about?
"Legally and socially we are women" thays fine but biologically your a man and that's important in sport
TH-cam viewer
Nah they have some aspects of borh genders. They dont have much testosterone but their skeletal structure is different.
Also you’ll be surprised how much muscle you lose when you go through HRT.
you’re* true though
@@surmountwho2861 Knowing that men have, on average, 50% more muscle strength than women, they still have quite a margin, even on HRT.
no-one will watch them
Trans people do not need to be excluded from sport. They just need to compete vs each other. Just add another category. Easy peasy... If they're there to compete, they'll be happy with it, if not. It's cause they want to cheat.
There are multiple reasons you can’t do that:
1:they are an incredibly small minority of the population
2:every country would have to agree with it to be put into the olympics.
3:not enough trans people would compete
4:it would be making the majority pander to a senseless minority
Spoiler: to those watching from the past, there ended up being no Olympics 2020.
I laughed when she said "in 2020 will watch the Olympics" 😂
Hmmmm. Lol
The biggest twist of the century.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
i thought i missed it. Then i realised it that there was never one.
Why is this even a debate? 😂
LOJ because emotions bro.... emotions. Lol
Because it’s 2020
Because there's tons of money behind that movement. Else, we wouldn't even be talking about it.
Because feminism
Because we live in a miserable times
If transwomen are competing in the Olympics, there's no reason to watch this event anymore. It is undermining women's rights.
Sport is not a human right: men are men; women are women. There is no switching or identifying as either or neither. You do you. But do not expect everyone else to play along with your fantasy
Well said
Harsh for trans, but so true, and well said!
I agree
YAAASSSSS
your*
That cyclist should not compete with women.
I do support LGBT in equal social life. But u lost me in this one 😕 because it is not equal.
A piece of paper can change your status but can't change your biology
Womens sport: finally getting some traction in society.
Trans males: let me take care of that for ya.
@Andrew Murray I was thinking exactly the same thing: if a trans woman is competing in an event, the biological women should refuse to take part.
Yep they're setting real women back.
how they can even feel happy when they win?
I was wondering the same… wrestling, lifting, racing… how they can look at female competitors and stand proud…
Because they think their are women and won a womencompetition
They should be ashamed of themselves instead.
It's shocking to not see atleast one sensible trans member.
What do you mean? lol stop reaching. They do feel happy after they win because they won. as simple as that, why does it make any difference if they’re a cis woman or a trans. a woman is a woman. estrogen in their body, they’re a woman. Is it so hard to get thru your head? More trans folx are getting into sports and it makes me happy that they’re included but morons like you always want to bring up somebodies past. it’s not their fault they were born in the wrong body, why should they feel excluded? what is the world coming to. Love and respect people you guys. It’s the bare minimum, sheesh.
@@summera4019 Sorry, but the "level playing field"-argument is true... Transfemal boxers broke the skull of a femal competitor... Cause man build up more fast twitching muscle fiberes, grow taller and grow bigger muscles... Even taking hormon repressents for decades doesn't change that advantage...
Me, as a "quite fit" male cycle for 3 years... with only mediocre training. At a local triathlon just one woman rode 20km faster than me... Was that "worldclass"-competition? Do i discredit the training transfemals put in? Absolutely not. But is it fair to women to race or fight against a transfemal?
Anyone should do the sports they like, but competing is still something different. Seperate class for trans-people? Or compete against men?
PS.: Natural men also produce estrogen... this hormone is not exclusive for women.
Since when did someones feelings matter more then a whole woman RACE
This is ridiculous. There's a reason why female and male athletes compete separately. How does male competing in female sports differ from doping abuse?
Hawkins, it’s because transphobia. People undergoing gender transitions from male to female almost always take estrogen. Over time that decreases the amount of testosterone which puts them on a level playing field. Your position is mostly just a big misunderstanding. Also, I’m not very biased on this. I’m a non-binary track runner who was born male and runs with other males for simplicity, the challenge, and the fact I know everybody else who I’m running with.
Androgenic hormones like testosterone are very strong chemicals with great biological effects. Any spiked concentration would inevitably change your epigenetic makeup that would give you a strength or growth advantage. That’s why it’s been shown that males who’s taken anabolic steroids in the past even once are going to have more of a strength advantage than males who have not taken any steroids. Same logic would apply to transgender females as their past elevated testosterone gives a similar effect (testosterone is an anabolic steroid).
So for this, I think they shouldn’t compete in female sports despite them going under testosterone suppression as their epigenetics has already given them an edge with strength. Likewise it wouldn’t be unfair to let them compete in male sports as they have been testosterone deficient for a long time.
But I’m not sure how to handle this. I’m just acknowledging that it is a situation we can’t just keep the status quo on :/
@Carl Quant , hormones kind of are the only things separating them. The chromosomes just indicate which hormone to introduce before birth (X goes first so for a little while all fetuses are female). Once puberty occurs, the differing hormone levels start truly distinguishing males from females. That show how hormones levels are what distinguish the two birth sexes?
The reason why female and male athletes compete separately is that there is a plethora of evidence to suggest that males in general have a significant competitive advantage over females in most sports, and the reason why doping isn't allowed is that there is a plethora of evidence to suggest that it gives athletes a significant advantage. The difference with trans athletes is that MtF athletes have to undergo a year of testosterone suppression before they're allowed to compete with cis women, and there simply is no evidence to suggest that they retain a significant competitive advantage after that year of testosterone suppression.
Daniel May remember Science Fiction films where DNA or something made people evolve or devolve on the spot into something else? Well it was just made up. Once you have developed that is it. There's no magic replaying of the process.
So you are saying men and women are NOT the SAME?
-surprised pikachu face*
The majority of feminists think that men and women are different, but that they should have equal opportunities where possible.
There is a loud minority that don't believe this and shout others down by labelling them as transphobes or misogynists.
@@sb_dunk u mean they actually want woman to have better opportunity then men by getting everything for free that is.. like their whole pay gap mentallity..
@@larsvegas1505 No. First of all, not all feminists have the exact same opinions.
Second, there is clearly a lower number of women in "top" roles, hence an overall (not individual) pay gap.
Wanting to have the opportunity to have a demanding job doesn't sound like wanting something for free to me.
@@larsvegas1505 wow
@@sb_dunk 1 there is no pay gap, 2 more males would be leaders bcz its biological for a male to be a leader. dont bealive me? go look in the nature, very species that has packs or families male is the leader of that group
really unfair for women, this is so devasting😞
0:36 He's smirking as if he knows that he's getting away with something that is clearly unfair. Disgusting tbh
Yep
Interesting
V G are u ok
@@vg1024 no not a "variant" they are real women and not TRANS women. Which are just males that want to be women
*Usain Bolt* “I don’t think I’m going to participate...”
*Coach* “Why is that?”
*Usain Bolt* “Well, I’m getting older and I don’t think I can keep up with the young ones”
*Coach* (Gives him a wig) “Yes you will”
fyi. theres a lot more to being trans, both medically and socially, that "putting on a wig". ik youre trying to make a joke, but this really just isnt it.
Ren Besides the testosterone level, there is nothing else that needs to be changed in order for them to compete with women
Joe trans women (depending on if they went through male puberty or not) generally have a higher lung capacity, larger frame, are taller, have larger feet/hands, all of which cannot be rectified by lowering their testosterone level. these traits give trans women an inherent biological advantage over cis women.
Ren maybe I’m not understanding your first post then lol, I agree 100%
This comment cracked me up!!🤣 thank you sir...(tips fedora)
YES The fact that this is even a debate is quite simply, laughable.
Trans woman are NOT woman, your born either man or woman! for gods sake what's happening to the world !!!
Being a small, lean biological girl, who has been in sports for some years, I have trained with boys my age, and if one day they decided they're women it'll absolutely crush me and all the girls we had on our team, it's unfair, it's brutal. Women are going to be oppressed and sidelined again , for and because of men who just time around are crossdressing and self identifying as women. I can't imagine the pain of other biological women training all their lives, our female ancestors who fought to compete in sports. So much generational pain just for some male with makeup on beat us. Women are going to be oppressed again in the name of trans gender debates
It already has started. Because of Laurel Hubbard, an aspiring and hardworking weightlifter lost her qualification to the olympics.
Unfortunately, your feelings don’t matter anymore.
I would appreciate if you did some research and didnt just call trans women "cross dressers"
The sports thing is debatable and there should be regulations of biology but being rude and denying an individual their identity when you have no idea what they are going through is inhuman.
Please be more humane.
Trans women don't "decide" they're women suddenly, its a harrowing experience of torture. Do you know what dysphoria is? How much you have to suffer through because of that? Look it up online, just research it.
Please do not spread your hatred and hurt people because of your ignorance.
Everyone needs to stop voting Democrat if this upsets you
Sometimes I paint myself orange, lie in the dirt and pretend I'm a carrot.
Lol
@Livin Gunk 🤣🥶
@Livin Gunk the way this is going.. anything you want to be will be possible and legal. And the goverment must allow cracy people to be whatever they want if they allow other people to be women even tho they are not.
That's orangeface! You should educate yourself with the history of carrots, getting plucked out of the soil against their will. That's so offensive of you to pretend you're a carrot.
You don't have to pretend anymore, just identify as one and, bingo!
I couldn’t imagine competing and winning against females if was trans, do these people not feel shame or guilt at all?!
They don't... infact they take advantage
They were losing most of the times as males ...now they can win regardless of what is morally rigt
No.
you talking about ppl cutting off essential parts of themselfs...
@@moxigen no, they don't even have to cut off anything ....
There is " trans " word in transwomen, so basically they aren't women
After scrolling through the comment section I've yet to stumble upon a comment supporting biological men being allowed to compete alongside real women. I wonder what the public opinion on this is.
@@nebulabunny8633 So what's the big deal then? From what I can tell most people can agree that it's not a very smart idea letting biological men compete against biological women, since men are on average stronger and faster.
It seems as though no group would really benefit. Women would have to deal with an unfair disadvantage while trans people don't do themselves and their peers any favours by drawing even more animosity towards them.
Who in their right mind would want that?
@@dylanjohannson the people who only cater to their own self interest.
(Rachel Mckinnon)
Technically only women's leagues ban men from competing (WNBA, etc...). Women aren't barred from joining the NFL, NBA cause they know it'll never happen.
words are cheap. people just say whatever serves their agenda. people got to eat, even trans.
There should be new category “translypmics” like “paralympics”
Why? Just let them compete with their own gender. If they went through male puberty, they should compete with other males.
@@vinhed I recommend you video from Aba & Preach about this topic.
vinhed transgender men would then have an advantage against women, due to the use of testosterone
If there are enough trans athletes out there to warrant their own category, why not? However if there isn't, then maybe they shouldn't participate in olympics like %99.9999... of human population do.
Ikrrr there should be a seperate catagory for trans people- the Olympics committie can do that but i dont think they care enough :(
Why not just have trans events for trans people, simple enough.
But I think there are not enough transgender athletes to hold a whole event.
Bcz they would call it discrimination
Maybe it will lessen there chance to get the gold. Not unlike when they compete with a real women.
Why don't create Transgender Olympics then?
Anyone remember Fallon Fox? Dude fought women without telling them he was a man. Fractured a woman's skull. It's not the same playing field.
Skulls break in combat sports, combat sports are inherently dangerous. What's your point, if it's that trans women have an advantage then your statistically wrong.
@@kirbbirb9513 if there's no biological advantage then women should compete with men
Ya I guess no one looked close for the dude did not look like a lady. A guy with makeup is what i saw and I'm sure his voice was anything but feminine.
Me at first: let the transgender people be themselves
Transwomen: biological men have the right to participate in women's sports and if you think otherwise you are transphobia
Me now: transwomen are men brrrrrr