Should Transgender Athletes Be Allowed to Compete in the Olympics? | Good Morning Britain
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Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard is continuing her battle to qualify for Tokyo as rules say if her testosterone is below certain levels for 12 months then she can compete. But is it fair on other athletes to let her compete?
Scientist and athlete Joanna Harper tells us why there's no advantage for transitioned competitors, but broadcaster India Willoughby says they're both totally wrong.
Broadcast on 03/03/2020
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Trans should have their own league.
Should just put them all on some mountain and let them be
*WICH WOULD PROVE THEY ARE IN FACT NOT FEMALES AFTER ALL.* *LOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!*
To be honest they should be I'm a mental health hospital 🏥
Great point, but that would put them back in the male category that they couldn’t cope with initially. So, they’d rather go into woman’s sports and be winners crushing biological woman and their dreams.
It would just be men dressed as women, playing a sport. It would look like a circus.
Florence Joyner ran a 10.49 in 1988 at the Olympics. Record has stood since.
The 100m record for HIGH SCHOOL boys is 10.00.
That’s all the evidence anyone needs.
10.49 with steroids...
Multiple female sprinters acknowledge that it is impossible to beat
Indeed. ALL female world records in athletics have been beaten by FIFTEEN-YEAR-OLD boys.
@@Immobile44 Yes with steroids...
Bro I had a 11.58 second 100m run without steroids in high school 💀. I don’t even know wut u guys are talking about.
@@NightcoreStyxWe’re talking about women not men.
She actually agreed to Floyd Mayweather stepping in the ring and beating a woman to a pulp???? Really????😂😂😂😂😂
So I think she should be the woman in the ring with him. Maybe she changes her opinion on that.
@@insignificant. I agree!!! 🤣🤣
but but but hormones.... :facepalm:
@@MDoomhammer lmaooo!!!!!
@@insignificant. Great observation!
That grandma is speaking NONSENSE😂
1 second difference is not 10 percent difference. 99 percent of all male sprinters would beat the female world record holder. That means if she were competing with men her rank would be lower then top 10 thousand. Not top 10 not top thousand, but top 10 thousand.
Sha'carri Richardson ran a 12.07 100m. That is the 13,500th fastest 100m in the men's division. Let Mike Tyson in his 50's transition, then compete in the female heavyweight division. He would delete a few women.
@@The_ex-atheistwk6tv the problem is that he is not going to just beat them but as you said it, he is going to delete them. At least in other sports they can reverse it after a few egos are hurt. Male are so wild in combat sports that even some male athletes die or become a vegetable after the fight. For a female to compete in combat sport is as difficult as for male trying to give birth after transitioning through their ass.
Delete a few women? Give him 10 more years and a sex change Nd he would rise to the heavyweight championship in a year
Just remember now that that WOMEN RECORD was at time when steroids were allowed.
Basically normal women without steroids probably can't compete with that record neither.
That MAN doesn’t care.
If you put *trans* before the gender, you need a new category in everything. End of discussions...
This whole debate should be about biological sex not gender. Ones gender identity is irrelevant to where you should compete.
Putting Flyod Mayweather in a female boxing ring is asking for lawsuits and women with broken bones
The delusion of this hormone therapist is incredibly mind blowing.. Ifvtgey want to complete they should have their category. Why impose trans on actual women.
Piers has it just right.
This old woman’s brain is frazzled, the fact some people can go on platforms like this and still talk absolute rubbish with their heads held high is mind blowing to me 🤯
It's an old man, but yeah, fried
@@KitschKiss-pi8wp now that explains it🤦🏾♂️
@@KitschKiss-pi8wpjust noticed I was talking about the dumb one on the right Lool 😂
Great segment. Glad you’re allowing comments so can have a discussion on the topic.
Mate this is an old video. ITV are bunch of cowards who close the comments, sometimes they even do not show the number of likes on TH-cam.
@@sam-nariman6236 I know. When Piers was on they never allowed them. It’s so dumb, closing the comments literally makes less people watch their channel and hurts them financially. All to protect their own fragile feelings.
I love how this lady touched India the trans woman who was ACTIVELY disagreeing with her told her not to touch her when she put her hand on her shoulder to silence her descent
Why no transmen want to compete in men sport
I suppose the fundamental issue here is the irrefutable physiological advantage of transwomen who have transitioned after their male puberty. This advantage is in body composition, muscle mass, sceletal structure, strength, lung capacity etc. and does not disappear by T-blockers. These changes at puberty are irrevocable as they change the person fundamentally for good. Up to puberty, btw, girls and boys are pretty even in athletics sprinting events, for example. There is of course a minor T surges also at around 20 weeks in the womb in boys leading to development of the male genitalia and a T surge at around 3-4 years of age in boys, so it's not like the puberty is the only occasion when boys' development fundamentally differs from that of girls.
As sports is highly competitive, the argument that there are men (and transwomen) who lose to female athletes is irrelevant. Of course there are such men and transwomen. When you compare likes for like the situation changes: let's take for example the 30th percentile in performance of men v. the 30th percentile of women, the men consistently overperform the women. The same is true with transwomen. 30th percentile of them overperforms 30th percentile of women exactly as men. This is biology, not a culture dependent construct. And as you might imagine, given the importance of sports in the society, much researched and well demonstrated by sports doctors and physiologists.
not true
@@lexisdw I wonder which part exactly you dismiss by a generic claim. Would love to hear your detailed explanation how this is "not true" so that we can actually discuss something.
@@tjelehtinen i would love to know where you got your claims from. I guarantee it's all based on assumption
@@lexisdwdon’t start with your radical brainwashing and pseudo science. The irrefutable evidence is in the sports records where transwomen are smashing women’s records. It’s as clear as crystal. How anyone can have the nerve to challenge reality the way you just have is beyond me.
@@lexisdw it's called biology
If you thinks this is not true show us proof that these FACTS are based on assumptions
grandma looking like dobby the house elf 😂
Why don't you ever see trans men playing men sports? That should tell you everything you need to know.
Looks like Anthony Joshua punched her chin off
How does this 3 year old video just now start getting comments?
NO. Not fair.
Joanna sounds like Dustin Hoffman in Tootsie
If there really is no difference in trans women and bio women, WHY IS THERE NOT A SINGLE TRANS MAN IN MENS SPORTS??
How does this video have over a half million views, uploaded 3 years ago, and yet only has two comments
Edit: five comments including my own
Maybe they just turned on the comments.
I was wondering the same
YT Shadowbanning/censoring.
That intro music….seriously…..
I never thought I would agree with India Willoughby.
we were talking about this at work, where im one of 2 women that work there. i said theres no way a can beat any man at arm wrestling even though a lift weights and work out a lot, therres even a 73 year old man that works there and he can beat me. its simple biology. lets stop this madness and let real born real women compete against born real women, not against a man that turned his body into a science project.
In the 100-meter men's world record is 9.58 seconds, and women's 10.49 seconds. This may not sound like a lot, but 100 meters is a short race. She is full of when she said that hormones change the biological male body to be weaker.
Here's a solution...
How about you just give these trans people the men and women's sports. Just let them have it like they want .
And than set up a league called the Real women's & Real Men's sport league..
But just give them what they want and give them the men and women's sports.
They'll probably cry still when you give them what they want
I think perhaps in sports there should 4 categories. Men, women, trans men and trans women.
The only issue I see with that is whether the prize (money) for all divisions should be the same as there will be much less participants in the trans cstegories
This is a mockery of biological women and those who transition. Imagine a prime mike tyson competing in women's boxing even though going through transition and therapy.
Not tomorrow 😅
No.
Big Car with small engine v small car with small engine... what happens in a collision? Big Car destroys small car while taking less percentage of damage. It's still a BIG CAR!
The Kent cricketer in question was Maxine Blythin and her average for the 2019 season, which I am confident is the stats that Piers is referring to, is 33 not 100+ as claimed. She/They have not been selected for England or has been called up.
I do agree with what Piers is saying. However, in cricket, stats are incredibly important and needed to clear that point up 😅
dear god
Is concerning how society is focus in this minority risking the right of woman, with this nonsense.
There are NO transmen (used to be women) competing in mens sports. Why?
Where did Willoughby go so wrong since this?
That was in 2014 😅
What is wrong with that person?
No, they shouldn’t
I feel like that lady is just repeating herself using different words.
Yes Piers it is ridiculous 😅
I saw this dr. on another channel she won't admit when she is wrong
If the Olympics allows trans men to participate in women sports I will never watch or have any more interest in ever going back to the games. It seems the FIX is in. Go Woke, Go Broke!!
Bro the little engine running a big car is so fucking stupid that engine can be upgraded with simple training anytime by running or just increasing stamina and training. These are athletes they’ll be working out they don’t lose out their advantages right away they maintain at least the half or more of it. A muscle is like a rubber band once stretched it can stretch back
She be fair across-the-board, make it fair for everyone transgender, male sports, female transgender sports, biological men, sports, and biological women sports. It should be fair down-the-line for everyone. Not just for a selected few. That's when you get people getting angry and hateful because of that. Everyone matters, not just a selected few at the end of the day. (WE ALL MATTER! )
This world has begun its own extinction.
Only against other trans athletes.
Never biological men against biological women.
Well said India 🙌🏼👏🏻
India literally says the opposite now done a complete 180
@@Rachel-oc4vf I noticed that. What changed?
@@ixlnxs I'm not sure but her argumentents before were that it is highly unfair in sport and she knew by experience which I think makes this sooo disingenuous because she knows its wrong but says it's anyway. I think it's for sympathy and clicks in my opinion
@@Rachel-oc4vfHIS. HIS. He’s a father!
@@SheridanM-dc1nk you are right I used to be more okay with calling him she but you give an inch and they take a mile, always moving the goal posts...lost a lost of respect for him by turning into a sheep
Why don't they just create their own sports for trans. Why the need to push the idea that they should also be in womens sports. This so absurd!
And this is hiw the world ends
No way. Evil to think so.
I have no problem for the transgender men to compete in male division. vice versa.
Why are you asking Garth from Wayne's world about trans issues?
whoever the lady in black is, maybe she should compete against a man in her sport, for her to understand her data is wrong!
We are the first people to comment on this video. Fuck youtube’s algorithm
For a long time, women fought for equality with men UNLESS when men competes side by side. The argument should be can women ever be equal to men and at which platform? The transgender argument shows that men and women can never be equal biologically. The next question then is at which condition are women equal to men so that they can compete fairly? After the end of the day, we can find a common ground to agree why at some industry, men are paid at a higher wage and others when women are paid higher. Lets play at our strength instead of forcing equality into play.
There is a men’s division and a women’s division. These are based on individuals that are actually women, and actually men. These are not for people who believe their women, and who believe they are men there is no imaginary division therefore, trans should never ever ever this is, shouldn’t even be a discussion point be allowed to compete in a biological men’s or women’s division! Now, unless we want to just go ahead and be complete idiots then do whatever you want. This is pretty much what everyone’s been doing up until now. People are finally now coming to common sense, at least I think??
Are there transgender men competing against male athletes?
No
Trans get their own league, it's a disadvantage.. blurred lines..
Absurd, you even have to ask..🙄
If athletes are found with any stimulants in their body they are immediately disqualified and banned, but a male competing against females in any strength-related events is acceptable . How is that possible ? Half the population of the world now aspiring to be an elite athlete undermined , by society’s refusal to stop this madness. So afraid of upsetting the 1% , so they pander to them and upset the vast majority. Equal pay for all elite athletes, having waited for decades ladies, it’s now being taken away from you. With barely a whimper …..
Fallon Fox.
Fk NO!
If men and women are the same even after hormone therapy explain Lia Thomas?
Trans or not if your born a man compete as a man and if your a woman compete with woman
Wthonly 9 comments
Let trans have their own sport period.
Two men debating women’s sport oh ffs. And it’s only gotten worse
There was a woman also if you couldn't see
Well men are now competent in their sports sooooo….🤷🏼♂️😂
Nonsense all I heard smfh 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Hormone therapy did help to reduce the biological advantage of male, but the advantage still exist and further more is left wing is pushing it to transgender with self identify is enough.
I'm not very often speeches
Creepy movements by that Robby thing. Not lady like at all 🤢🤮 as it assumes
"trans rights" sounds more and more like "some people are more equal than others."
Sure in a Transgender Olympics
im so glad we dont have this shit
The person in black is so indoctrinated in their belief that they fail to see any common sense. Not what they are so I've neutral with their pronouns. pretty sure a woman but sounds like Jordan Petersson.
If i fucked up my hormones i would still be a woman... man with hormone imbalances make off balanced men
the joanna lady doesnt look sane
Joanna harper is a joke .. Just give them their own sports divisions and if they arent available too bad ,miss out.
No Nono cheating
Can you have children ?
Joanna Harper your so off. You are doing an injustice for women and young women athletes.
minority become ridiculous
😂😂😂😂😂😂
How would you feel losing to a mangina thing.
Play with your own friends. Create a trans only category.
this discussion was so pointless. four against one and then you keep interrupting when she tries to state her case. if you don't actually want to have a fair discussion just don't invite someone who has a different opinion than you.
Another devil spotted
The video is so interesting on so many levels.
Piers seem unaware that Joanna is actually a trans woman. He entirely fails to engage with her very credible research at Loughborough Uni. Does he dismiss it because he thinks she's a woman!? The irony.
Further, Joanna clearly states she'd only be comfortable with Floyd Mayweather competing post hormone treatment, not on self ID, and crucially, in the bit Piers misses by grandstanding, in a equal weight category. Joanna suggests there would likely be no cis-women heavy enough to allow Mayweather to compete.
So Piers is making a stupid fuss, and insults the guest in quite a misogynist way.
And Piers is 100% correct and Joanna is 100% wrong.
@@6StimuL84 ... and you 100% can't read.
@@sinichol44 Even a year post hormone treatment Mayweather would destroy any woman on the planet...I read perfectly and you are as delusional as Joanna
Personally speaking, I'm on Piers' side on this, but I'm not gonna speak negatively on those who think the opposite. Each to their own, right?
But that woman mentioned the MMA guy who cracked someone's skull in round 1 in 2014, and Joanna said it was irrelevant as it was a long time ago
What is your take on that?
No women heavy enough to compete in Mayweather's weight class? How big do you think Mayweather is? He's a welterweight - that's 145lbs. There are millions of women who could compete in that weight category. But he would still have the advantage because, as a man, he will naturally carry more muscle mass, more power, fast twitch muscle fibres etc.
This is a desperate attempt to mock God.Why the desperation to change biological and anatomical facts?