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I disagree. There is a lot more nuance to it.

Thanks a lot for your insights. Very interesting! It confirms my suspicion that it was my thick HM86 mast that resulted in ventilation and limited my max speed. I'm getting an Ypra-S M (780cm2) for light winds now. Really excited about trying that one out. Yeah I got the Droid Aramid X in 5m² and really like it so far (but when overpowered it will pull on your harness A LOT). Have you tried the Pulse DP? How is it not userfriendly? Hard to get up on foil with it? Bad in maneuvers? Regarding stab: Gong (on the website) recommends the Veloce H 36 for the Ypra-S XS and S. But I've seen on Insta that their pro riders use Veloce H 40 instead sometimes even with small front wings so that seems to confirm your comment.

@@windaddict Hi. You will really enjoy the YPRA-S MS - for me it is the nicest foil in the range and super performance combined with relative ease of use. Yes I have the Pulse DP in 6.0m - I have to say it is a beast and you really need to undertstand it - it is definitely not the wing for everybody. Bizarre at rest it is quite difficult and certainly not the easiest to get going - it feels quite wooden and unforgiving and doesnt respond to pumping well as it is very rigid - however, once the air flow is attached it accelerates like cazy and develops a huge amount of pull - a decent harness (windsurf waist harness not wing harness) is essential and you really have to work very hard to tame it - it is very unforgiving and quite brutal when it gets powered up. On the plus side the drive is incredible and you are fully powered in relatively light wind, the upwind pointing angle is crazy (5 degrees more than all other wings) and it is very fast. On the downside it can easily overpower you if not 100% committed and it is challenging for gybing and tacking - it pushes down strongly if you sheet it out. For me at 80kg the 6.0 really is too big and I would prefer a 5.0 or 5.5 in most conditions. I have the Droid Aramid X in 4.0, 5.0 and 6.0 which for me is nearly as good performance but much easier to handle. I also have the Droid aramid in 2.5, 3.0, 3.5, 4.5, 5.5 and 6.0 - still great performance but far more forgiving and super easy to hadle. Personally I would like to try a Pulse with the 30% DP in the Team Series construction - I thinkl that would be a good compromise. We are lucky to have such great choices !

@@windaddict The Veloce H 40 stab is a great allround stab - a bit like the old V2 Fluid H 38 - Does everything really well and super forgiving and reliable. I went through a phase of using super small stabs (thinking less drag) but actually found they didnt work well as they easily got overpowred and the main wing lost angle of attack - you can hear this happening with lots of 'gurgling' at speed.

I'm getting the Ypra Slalom M (800cm2) not the MS (700cm2). Thanks a lot for your insights on the Pulse DP. Really sounds like it's not for me, as I wouldn't want to switch back and forth with "normal" wings and then get used to this crazy behavior again. With all the gear and insights you have, you should be doing review videos. So do you prefer the Droid Aramid X or the normal Droid Aramid? Aren't both supposed to be stiff wings? Is it really such a big difference? I have only the one Aramid X so far. I wonder whether I would like the non-X version better for future wings if it is so much more forgiving. Is the X version supposed to me more sturdy with that Spinnaker material? Funnily I just saw a Short from the brand Patrik today on youtube and they have a concept wing that allows you to add and remove the double profile with zips. Looked pretty neat.

@@windaddict Hi again. Apologies slow reply. Interesting question ! I would say personally I really like the Aramid X - its punchy, fast and very stable. Compared to the Aramid however it is more demanding - both physically (you really need to be using the harness effectivelly) but also the precision of trim (sheeting angle). When I use the standard Aramid it does feel more chilled and more forgiving. Dont get me wrong though both are awesome wings - my level has stepped up hugely since I started using then last spring. So lucky to have such refined kit to use. New V3 foils due this week - will let you have my review once I have tried them.👌

Check out the Speed Wingfoiling channel talk about it: th-cam.com/video/lC2t1bpVuas/w-d-xo.html (Link also in the video description). He actually recommends short-ish fuselages. (I previously thought you want very long fuselages for high speeds for stability but that assumption was not correct it seems). Gong fuselages tend to be longer and I just use the standard Gong kit (Ypra-S foil with veloce-H stab on standard titanium fuse). It depends on how each brand designs the foil. Longer fuselage works with smaller stabs. Some of the Gong professional riders actually use their short freestyle fuselage stab combinations also for racing. This is because they do both disciplines and are used to that combo. So being comfortable with / used to your gear may be more important than fuselage length preconceptions.

Sounds good. When you start a low aspect foil is also fine for a while.

Interesting. I was recommended the Fluid H stab by a Gong advisor who said it was the best compromise between speed, glide and turning. So I'm going to stick with it.

Nice summary, thanks!

It was a rule set by the officials organising the event

@@windaddict Wow, I'm interested in knowing how they published a modification to so many rules in section C. I think it's extremely complex. Where can I consult it? Over time the RRV will have to adapt to these new modalities of sailing, we are already seeing it.

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Thank you! I couldn't measure my speed as I left my start watch at home and had to use the Garmin as my start watch. Look at the responses to nfinnigan's comment. The other guy had the obligation to lift his wing to check if others are tacking. You cannot just cut through there full speed with your wing down if you know that you don't have right of way. As I said in the video, the organisers confirmed he should have been disqualified.

It's nice. The big difference is that it is lighter and that the structure is very stiff. I think the lightness actually makes bringing the wing from one side to the other in jibes easier and faster. I think that could be a great advantage in light wind to avoid backwinding. But I haven't tried yet in light conditions. Overall I am happy with it so far, but need to test it more.

@@windaddict Will you consider to review this wing? It is new material and design and there is not a lot of videos on YT regarding this model. I am really curious about big sizes 6 or 6,5 m2, how they behave in light conditions and how you prepare the wing, especially with carbon boom. BTW, what was the length/size of the harness lines?

Maybe. But I would want to use it for a longer period before a review. I am also considering getting it in different sizes. Harness lines are the longest, XL.

Both of them passed the buoy they were supposed to turn around already when WindAddict initiated his tack, so it shouldn't have been surprising to sailor on Ozone wing that someone downwind of him is turning. He just didn't pay attention

@@borino16 AAaa right, that makes sense, I get it now. Thanks for the info and keep up the good videos, many thanks.

I agree with borino16. The guy was going very fast, so hard for me to anticipate. And he has the obligation to give room to everyone tacking. So he shouldn't just keep the wing down and go fast. He has to get the wing up to see others. Obviously he didn't care.

That's a tough situation. I've been in similar situations racing. There wasn't really anything he could do (if he doesn't know how to tack). He may not have even seen you tack. He was avoiding other riders who had already tacked onto starboard, and was probably looking back to see the mark.

Thanks! The race was in September. They advertise this stuff in a whatsapp community which has most riders in Catalunya in it. It's called "Perpetradors Comunity"

I get it 100%. Where do you live may I ask? I love watching KOAV Sessions on youtube. If I lived in Maui I would do the same thing. But the fact is that in most spots here at the Mediterranean you rarely get good wave days.

I don't know. But I don't think weight in the foil matters much tbh

@@windaddict it matters when carrying the thing

@vim55k true. They just don't seem heavy to me

@@windaddict I remembered now why I started to ask about the weight of foil. It is when calculating total weight including foil assist to use with a 12L board such that it will not sink :)

@@vim55k wow, 12L is tiny

Yeah it was really funny to see that the new Ypra Surf-Freestyle basically went back to a mid-aspect shape. I don't know why they still have "Ypra" in the name because this has nothing to do with the original Ypra.

@@windaddict it’s the pure freestyle front wing so it’s an ypra anyway I think. If it works better in waves and in freestyle it’s a better race frontwing so this is more Ypra than the old one 🙌😆 Have you noticed how THICK it is instead? Just Wow.

Yeah really thick in the "big sizes". Again, not an Ypra shape in my eyes. So I doubt it is good for racing.

@@windaddict ypra s xs was 0.8 thick while the new ypra surf freestyle xxs is 1.2… the S is the most interesting of the new ones imo with 620cm2 and ar 6.8 but it is 1.42cm… too damn much for going fast, it’s totally not a front for slalom racing or freefly or speed it’s for freestyle and wave comps. For freestyle will be even better than the old one, you need more stability when sea is messed up and you just don’t want a foil that makes you fall while you accellerate, pop and repop. While the old one was just standard ypra slightly modified (surf was slightly lower ar, freestyle was surf with shorter fuse AND it needed a new fuse just for it) this year they made a more focused front wing. This is totally not for racing slalom, speed or else… it’s not their program.

I would love to get one. It is just so expensive. Hopefully I can save up some money for it soon.

For me personally windsurfing only makes sense (and is a lot of fun) in strong winds. I only have windsurf gear for strong winds now and sold everything else. For lighter conditions, other sports are better at most spots (unless you have a perfect flatwater light-wind spot and don't mind carrying big gear around). As you say the inflatable windsurf gear can be fun for beginners. But then you might as well use a wing.

I actually started my foiling journey with windsurf foiling. I was on a "foil ready" Freestyle board. I did not enjoy that. Too much gear to mess with and hard to control. I once tried a more dedicated windsurf foiling board and it was ok, but also huge gear compared to wing foiling. Doesn't give you the same freedom and doesn't make sense on waves. I now see windsurf foiling mostly developing towards racing-only and that's fine for people who only want that, but it's not for me.

Yes, the Veloce V2 is a great allrounder and great for waves

Yes, I am only on narrow boards now (Gong Cruzaders)

Yes it really would. I wish there was a timeline for this.

Great to hear! I now use a Garmin Forerunner 255 now but previously had a Samsung Galaxy Active2 Watch which stopped working. I am much happier with the Garmin.

Good to know it works for you too!

For that you would need to paddle back up on foil with your arms, while dealing with a deflated wing. That's almost impossible. If you mean just slowly floating back in on the board: no, that exposes you to breaking waves much more.

I would still select a low aspect beginner foil to start with. The Neilpryde was great. Something like the Gong X-Over is very similar. You can learn the sport and enjoy yourself with these for a long time (50 sessions easily).

Loved your comment! Windsurfing planing is awesome, but wing foiling is a new world. Good luck!

Foiling is a game changer

Why does a falling tide push you back?

You gotta take what you get ;-)

Good to know you also love the Veloce V2! I honestly don't think there is a V3 foil there yet that would take its place. I would only consider something like Veloce HDW for downwinding (and downwinding only), but then it's a very specialized foil. I don't have a big appetite for more high-aspect stuff currently.

Nothing wrong with flat water! I really wish I had it sometimes. And wouldn't bore me at all. You can do plenty of flat water trickery.

Thanks so much for your kind words. True, there is a lot to learn with wing foiling!

It highly depends. What do you consider light wind? 10 knots or more? Then I would go for the Cruzader Diamond with a volume that is about the same as your body weight. If you want to go down to 5-10 knots you probably need a Cruzader Point in a larger size, but that's almost a different sport. Cruzader Point gives you a little extra edge on light wind performance but is harder to handle because it's very narrow.

@@windaddict Thank you very much for your answer. My weight is 73 kg and I used to go with Unit 6,5 m2 and 1250 cm2 front foil in light winds. Light wind I mean from 9-10 kts. Based in your answer I think a Cruzader 80 L could suits for me.

I don't have a Veloce H. You mean the Veloce? These are the 2 combos I'm using: Gong Veloce v2 XL (99cm, 1300 cm²). AR 7.5 Gong Stab Pro Fluid H (45cm) size L Gong Veloce v2 M (82cm, 900 cm²). AR 7.5 Gong Stab Pro Fluid H (42cm) size M

@@windaddict I mean the V2 950cm2, I'm currently using the Fluid 42 and it's not quite what I'm after.

@@windaddict Hi, have you tried your Veloce M with stab fluid L? does it work? I currently ride Curve L/stab fluid L and consider getting a Veloce M to ride faster but don't want to have too much gear

@@sebastiendiet4311 I am using it with a Fluid H M stab (42). Not sure if the L size would work well with it.

You are right, that is a huge challenge. I do the "pizza" jibe where you really focus on bringing the wing up so that it is horizontal and then push the strut to help the rotation. Lachie White recommends doing Heineken jibes and switching the feet before the jibe. But that is very hard to do for me in really light wind.

Well by now I have given up on SUP downwinding. And yeah I wouldn't go inflatable anymore.

My home spots are Vilassar and Premia close to Barcelona

@@windaddict ​​⁠ill be close to Tarragona in Sept /Oct. But thats too far for a session.. great content..!

@@mattonfoil yes that is a bit far. Have fun there! Thanks!

You mean high aspect?

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for your nice comment!

Ja leider kann ich nicht alle Modelle testen. Hab mich aber fürs Veloce entschieden weil es schneller ist als das Curve-H. Klingt als hättest du das richtige Material für dich gefunden!!

The first one I got a tiny ding on it. I must have set it down on a sharp rock. I got it fixed and since then no problems. The Cruzader Diamond so far no problems but it's very new still.

I know. As mentioned in the video the CurveH would be easier to use (to pump) than the Veloce even though it is higher aspect. But it is also slower. So higher aspect doesn't mean higher speed automatically

​@@windaddictHigh aspect means glide.

For YpraS XL, the best stab is the veloce H V2 44, and for the YpraS L veloce H V2 40 by far Fluid and freestyle stabs are realy slowing down this wing, without adding anything.

Not sure about that. Gong advisors recommend the fluid stabs with YpraS if you want to use it in waves for turning. On a lake yes, Veloce-H stab makes sense

So many options for foils! 😁

Too many. They should get rid of ⅔ off them Would be far easy to know which to buy then

I am 65kg I am using F one sk8 1050 (AR 8) with Duotone DW air 105l

Yes, the combination is so fun! 😍

You make a very good point. I guess we cannot find out unless we go through a massive weight loss program like Patrice Guénolé did 😂

​@@windaddicti read he was 96kg , but he look like sick i think.

Thanks for your comment! Looks like you are enjoying your gear! Let me know how it goes with the new foils!

​@@windaddictcurve H XL V2 is very good, really easy and fast, much easier to pump than the Fluid H XL v2, easier to sail huge distances BUT it's a bit boring compared to the fluid, which is so lively. Ordered veloce HDW XL and Veloce L v3, lets see if this scrartches my itch. Otherwise ill get the fluid H v3 😇

I think the Mint could be a good choice for you as a next step!

The cruzader is an amazing light wind board and could be the only only one you need if you’re on a lake. Buy a large size for comfort. Get a large Curve H foil like a 3XLH and a large stab Fluid 47h or 49h which will make riding very stable and take off so easily you’ll have a huge grin every time. Sure it won’t feel as stable as your current board but you’ll get used to it quickly. I’m 72 kg and went for the inflatable 7.6 which is obviously much easier to store. This setup work perfectly from 5 to 20 knots.