Donkey Kong 64: Cut Content & History [Part 1] | Cut Content
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2024
- Donkey Kong 64's had a long cycle starting with the 64 Disk Drive and went through several iterations before the version we got. Today in the first of 2 parts, we shall explore the developmental history and cut content of the game!
Sources:
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www.unseen64.net/tag/donkey-k...
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• Donkey Kong 64 - Compl...
• Klobber Hovering
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• DK 64 - Rambi swimming
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro to Donkey Kong 64: Cut Content & History
0:57 - Original Concepts of Donkey Kong 64
1:52 - Early Development of Donkey Kong 64
2:20 - Beta Character Concepts of Donkey Kong 64
3:21 - Early 1998 build of Donkey Kong 64
4:33 - 1999 / E3 build of Donkey Kong 64
6:51 - Early Version and History of the DK Rap of Donkey Kong 64
7:53 - The Early Realistic Guns of Donkey Kong 64
8:35 - Prerelease Development of Donkey Kong 64
8:58 - The Cut Ice Key / Stop N Swop of Donkey Kong 64
10:12 - Extro
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Fix Notes:
- Mentioned within the video that the Expansion Pack was solely used for fixing that game breaking bug, but there is much more to the story as infact it was gonna be used all along for the purposes of lighting.
My understanding is that the memory leak bug even wound up getting fixed--possibly by fixing something else. That's why the game doesn't freeze even if you leave it on for days.
It's been confirmed by devs that this all memory leak thing is a myth. The expansion pack was use for the complex lighting found in certain area.
@@Mermi Yep, thus the note made here
Wow. I'm so dumb. Great video btw!
@@Mermi haha no worries. It was kinda hidden there. Thanks!
The expansion pack wasn't the solution for the crash, that story came from another team at Rare and Mark Stevenson (Lead Artist) on DK64 said it was to include the expansion pack from the beginning, like it was pushed on them. When asked what they used it for he confirmed it's only on the lighting
Thanks for letting me know. Seems this myth was a little too available still. Looked it up further too. In part 2, I'll plan to update on that fact. Thanks again!
I was just about to comment that.
The decision to use the expansion pak was made pretty early on despite the crash bug still persisting right until the end of development.
@@safebox36 I think perhaps the MOST that may have happened is that Rare/Nintendo were prepping a "4 meg" version in addition to the 8 meg Expansion Pak SKU, and when they couldn't overcome a certain bug, the 4MB version had to be scrapped. But yes the Expansion Pak was always specced into development, going back to its early days as a 64DD title (however much development was actually done on it as a 64DD title by the DKC3 team, we still have no idea).
For further context. The crash was caused by a memory leak that was never fixed because it was discovered after the game was already in production. In order to prevent the leak from causing an uproar and causing them to recall the game they decided to take advantage of the extra ram from the expansion to extend the amount of time the Memory leak took to cause a crash. This made it so it would be rare for a player to encounter the crash during a standard play session which for most people would be around 2 to 3 hours. Without the expansion pack the crash would occur much sooner at around 1 to 1 and half hours which definitely would cause the game to crash within most people's play sessions with the game.
@@MugiwarasNakama this is not true
“With his sawed-off shotgun, that can fire in spurts. If he shoots ya, you’re gonna die HUH DK!! DONKEY KONG”
They really gave our boy a shotgun originally 😂😂
Don't forget our other boy with two pistols :P
Coconut Gun...
Wait... that ain't no Coconut Gun.
daw hell naw who gave dk the super shotgun from doom
Pretty sure this game has the biggest levels of most if not any 3D platformer. Wish they still made games like this
Yeah it's level sizes are ludicrous from what I've examined lately. Comparable to even the likes modern day 3D platformers like Mario Odyssey
imo Donkey Kong 64's DNA remains in every maximalist AAA "open world" game with an overworld map completely saturated with waypoints and points of interest.
Bigger isn't always better, and imo the Banjo sequels were a big lesson in that regard. The first game's levels are perfectly sized, Tooie it's easy to get lost in certain levels, and the Nuts & Bolts maps were so big they had to add vehicle traversal.
@@ShadowEl DK64 did it right, unlike today's devs. Only issue was the character swapping should've been on the fly, but hacks allow for it.
Banjo-Tooie has even bigger, and worse coz of it. Lot's of aimesly wandering around.
Yeah DK64 would have been just fine collectable wise if not for the need to switch characters constantly. Easy fixes such as unifying collectables and quick switch between Kong's would make it very good
Even if it didn't make much sense, DK with a shotgun is pretty badass
I mean those pesky bees alone would be reason enough for the Kongs to start buying guns after 3 games with them :P
DK64 has many secrets! I hope part 2 covers the scrapped giant snake boss in Angry Aztec and the gold DK statue that was originally displayed on the empty pillar in Creepy Castle, likely linked to stop n' swap!
I indeed do plan to cover all that and more. In terms of raw cut content, that is where the true meat of this should pop in
Shiggy responded with stunned silence when he first saw Donkey and Diddy with realistic weapons! 😂
Nice Video. i love this game, the Soundtrack is one of Kirkhopes best work. i love the darker atmosphere in this game
Gruntilda ur an awesome boss
Honestly Kirkhope did an amazing job being his first take on the DK series. Hope he comes together with David Wise for another DK game in the future
from what this one's heard, the expansion pack didn't truly solve the crash problem, but it DID make it take far longer to trigger. Something on the order of days straight without powering down the console(or resetting, this one thinks?). Something the vast majority of players wouldn't do, but the problem did re-emerge with the VC re-release on Wii U, with suspend functions and save states making it more feasible that the game would keep running without a chance to flush RAM, resulting in the bug becoming something you could realistically encounter again. That said, it would still take days and days worth of play(probably close to or over a hundred hours) and as long as you save and reset every couple days of constant play, you'd be fine.
at least, that's this one's understanding. it was basically a memory leak from the sounds of it.
did you refer to youself as "this one" like your a hanar from mass effect?
@@jmjedi923 yes this one did, but for unrelated reasons.
Yeah I addressed this in the pinned posts now. I also plan to further go over it in Part 2 actually. Thanks!
@@TheObsessiveGamer NP, any time. can't wait for Pt2.
Definitely learned alot DK64 stuff from this vid!
I cannot say how much I love thee videos!
great videeoo , cant wait for part 2
Donkey Kong 64 is one of my favorite games! Definitely top three N64 games for sure. Great video man, keep it up!
Thank you! :)
Been waiting for this! Looked at a lot of DK64 cut content videos that have been made previously by others and they never reveal ALL of it which is a shame. This game has SO much stuff that needs to be covered. One in particular is the original boss fight for Fungal Forest. That one has fascinated me the most, but can never find more details on it. Another is the lone pillar in Creepy Castle that potentially had a statue of DK or the Ice Key or just something the Devs put to screw with the fandom. Who knows? DK64 is a marvel of a game.
Yeah there is ALOT for this game which has surprised me how little people have covered. I plan to be the one to do that and wrap it in Part 2!
Another quality episode as always! I look forward to hearing more about what else was cut from this game. Not sure why it ever received the hate it got I enjoyed this all throughout my childhood and can still remember the times my brother refused to let me go into Hideout Helm because he wanted to play it first 😂😂
I mean the collectathon did give it a lot of hate. I don't blame people for disliking it lol But regardless got alot for the next episode. We barely have scratched the surface
Its crazy how Tiny Lanky and Chunky was just created for the sole purpose of bringing different types gameplay to the game 😂
Yay part 1, thats meaning more parts
Part 2 coming very soon as planned!
@@TheObsessiveGamer AWESOME!!!!
Awesome Man i really hope you do banjo kazooie or banjo tooie cut content video
I'd really love to do one on Banjo, would be a good follow up to this. Something I definitely have in mind
@@TheObsessiveGamer awesome can't wait banjo kazooie cut content video
DK64 is my favorite N64 collect-a-thon. To me, the fact that there's so many characters and collectables make it much more engaging and challenging compared to the more straightforward game play of Banjo-Kazooie. I revisit the game every few years to get 101%.
My understanding is that Stop 'n Swop was based on the idea that contents in RAM would remain for 30 seconds after removing the cartridge, as was the case in the prototype. This wound up reduced to a couple seconds in the released console. The fact that you'd have to swap a lot quicker made it far less safe, since kids would be in a hurry to swap them out.
In retrospect the N64 expansion pack was basically the Sega 32X add-on. And if we remember a fully upgraded Sega Genesis included the Sega CD and 32x. In conclusion we could have had a fully upgraded N64. Perhaps the Japanese market not adapting the CD drive saved Nintendo the same fate as Sega. Yes I am over thinking it but I never heard anyone else make that comparison
Well you aren't entirely wrong but I'd compare the 64DD to it much more
@@TheObsessiveGamer I'm saying, if you combine the N64 expansion pack along with the N64 CD drive then you basically get the next generation of Sega Genesis combined with 32x and Sega CD.
not really? the expansion pack ONLY added more RAM. it let you have more things loaded but didn't itself increase fidelity. Some games did improve frame rate or fidelity(or both) using the ExPac, but that was more adjusting the code to take advantage of the increased RAM. The 32X and Sega CD instead each had their own processors(and maybe RAM?) which allowed for higher color depth, sprite scaling and rotation, and even rudimentary texture-mapped 3D at times. The Sega CD and 32X are more comperable to the 64DD; an add-on with additional hardware features(and to further comparisons between SCD and 64DD, they both eschewed cartridges in favor of spinning media.)
@@deathstinger13 I have to agree with you on the basis of I don't understand most of those things. I'm just over here linking the The add-ons like building blocks. Pretending there is an equivalent between the console wars. I really wanted the universe where Sega teamed up with Sony.
Ironically the 32X was actually quite a hefty expansion that barely any developers took advantage of. In particular it pushed the Genesis's color output into the territory of "practically infinity." It went from iirc 256 colors to some five digit number that, again, barely any devs made usage of. The advantages of the N64 expansion pak were certainly noticeable in games like Majora's Mask and Perfect Dark, but those were late generation games from two of the system's top developers.
5:00 The expansion pack was not bundled with the game to fix a game breaking bug. It was for the dynamic lighting. The devs already debunked that. The bug was something else entirely
Indeed. I have a pinned comment about that there
DK64 would have been so much more bearable with less collectibles.
And without character-coded bananas.
"His Regular Gun, Can Fire Its Lead, If He Shoots Ya, You're Pretty Much Dead. HUH!"
I love that we effectively got 2 massive sequels to the effective Mario 64 sequel that was Banjo Kazooie, one of my favorite games in history. Spawning 2 absolute titans in Banjo Tooie and Donkey Kong 64. They are both absolutely huge and I love it.
For anyone wondering about the memory leak myth for DK64.
The idea is that there is a set of data that constantly gets saved to the memory but isn’t ever cleared. Taking up the system’s memory and causing a crash.
The problem with the Expansion Pack fix though, is that it would just add more memory for the data to take up. Causing the problem to take even longer to crash. But not a direct fix.
Correct. I made a pinned note on it but this explanation is even better.
Love the video! Didn't realize stop n swap was meant for dk64 too
Yeah Rare seemingly had a whole thing planned for multiple of their games to take advantage of it. Could have worked soooo well in the modern age with save files being all you need
@@TheObsessiveGamer holy crap Rare was so so far ahead of their time it's mind blowing, haha! It's fascinating to see what could have been and get a glimpse into their creative process
@@TheObsessiveGamer I kinda wonder why Rare didn't use save files to save the stop and swop as the N64 had memory cards.
I've heard the story about the guns, but I've never seen the early footage of dk with a shotgun lol
Donkey Kong went from ghetto homie to nerf's next spinoff in that gun change. 😂
Best channel is back.
Never left lol
DK64 was so much fun❤ great times playing this game. A remake would be kinda fun, however I’m not sure how well that would fly today 🤔
That ice key process is absolutely bonkers
Crazy exploit just to make it happen
I think it was just easier to use improved Banjo-Kazooie engine for faster release date, rather than make platformer similar to Rayman 2.
Jungle based custom - made weapons was one of the best changes Miyamoto has ever required to happen, i think.
-It just makes everything more natural & actually makes sense.
I loved Diddy Kong Racing for the 64. You should do that one now. Or Conkers Bad Fur Day.
Both games i'd love to it! Banjo-Kazooie too.
I don't know why but I can sense that a new donkey Kong game that it will be 3D will be coming out relatively soon when when I mean soon I would say in the next year or so I believe I very much strongly believe that a new banjo game or some kind of iteration involving banjo and donkey Kong will be either on the next switch or added soon
5:00 i believe other commenters have mentioned this but this is an urban myth spread by someone who wasnt even on the DK64 team and has since been debunked.
also 6:56 Kirkhope actually took over from DKC3 composer Eveline Fischer. multiple sources state that she was originally attached to the project before its "change in direction" (i.e Banjo team members coming in to support the preliminary team from DKC3). She ended up being assigned to sound effects in the final game and began focusing more on voiceover work for games such as Perfect Dark and Conker's Bad Fur Day. David Wise was never attached to DK64; he moved on from the series after DKC2 in order to work on Project Dream (where of course he was ultimately replaced by...Grant Kirkhope!)
10:00 Please make a full video about Banjo’s ice key it’s so interesting
The bug was caused by memory leaks due to garbage data. The N64 had about 3 hardware revisions and the current revision at the time was causing the problem.
It's a shame how Microsoft destroyed Rare
6:35 Klobbers also appear in the indoor areas of Crystal Caves.
That they do :)
Wow can’t believe they had realistic guns in the game for so long!
Rare always loved going that over the top lol
Yay!!!
I remember that DK64 demo, it had the minecart section.
Man I wish I could remember the demo better myself
It actually looks cleaner than actual release. I don't think demo used AA, so that might explain it.
He's the leader of the bunch
You know him well
He's finally back... To cap some tails!
His actual gun will fire in spurts
If he shoots you. You'll end up dead!
He's bigger, faster, and packing too!
He's the first member of the DK crew.
You should make one about the cut content in all of the myst games
That'd be an interesting topic. Will maybe look into it in the future :)
Donkey Kong 64 has one glitch.
The glitch is when Donkey Kong enter the gun shop. He's holding five bananas. Once he got a weapon. Make sure the other monkeys I have five bananas
The weapon shop. the other monkeys will get a free weapon.
For the glitch to work Donkey Kong have to go in first.
Jungle Japes always had water.
Gotta be honest. Knowing DK's family history...If guns are available to him, I wouldn't be surprised if he was packing serious heat. To be ready lest some plumber come around with ideas of abducting him.
I mean with how much firearms the Kremlin's carried in the DKC trilogy, it would have made a while lotta sense for them to also start carrying firearms too
I thought grant did not make the dk rap, from my knowledge? Remember him talking about it in an old gamegrumps episode
No he most definitely did. Which is why he was upset when the Mario Movie didn't credit him
the stop n swop idea was really ambitious and overly confident
Either way though I love donkey Kong 64, 😊
Yay it’s this time
Hope you enjoyed it!
Expansion pack was for vertex lighting not for game crashes.
Nice to see rareware games. I miss rareware
Same! I really hope we can one day see games like those again
They removed stop n swap because the time one had to swap was different depending on what model of n64 was being used..
It was one of the reasons which I did talk about in part 2 actually
Its funny how every other n64 game started on the 64dd but the world decided they didnt need the dd 😂
DK 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
DONKEY KONG! 🔥🔫
Love DK64.
Very underrated game!
@@TheObsessiveGamer agreed, I started my channel last year to defend it from haters. I’m still waiting for it to be on Switch online. Multiplayer would be a blast!
@@jiggylookback Oh you've got a really nice channel. Gonna plan on checking it out!
Curse you, Tim Stamper... It was YOU who dragged this game down with all your fruity, color-coordinated collectibles!
I Really wish that a beta version was found just to explore the differences.
We got a Kiosk build at least that has a lot of differences still, but I know what you mean. Would have loved to play a build with the actual realistic guns especially
You think they will make a donkey Kong 64 x Banjo Kazooie rom hack?
so if he still had his shotgun, why were the lyrics already "coconut gun" ?
Still fires coconuts just looks like a irl shotgun
Looks like a shotgun, sounds like a shotgun, but sitll only shoots coconuts :P
They didn’t even credit George or Chris or even Grant on the Dk Rap in the Mario movie. Kinda disappointed
Part 2 please
Planning to for this week :)
I want to see DK and dk with real guns in Smash
I mean if Kirby can have a gun....
@@TheObsessiveGamer He's the leader of the bunch, you know him well
He's finally back to kick some tail
His G U N can fire in spurts
If he shoots ya, it's gonna hurt!
Still bothers me to this day that they added Tiny instead of Dixie
I guess they only did it cause Dixie canonically can't turn small?
I wonder if mods exist to restore most of these
We need a modding community for this game to restore some of these lol
i fist played dk64 win i was 13 years old aka 1993-2006 im now 30 years old
And then there was me who played it when like 10. Crazy how long ago that was
@@TheObsessiveGamerhow old are you
@@taelrmade 34 lol
Why did they change the shotgun? To keep an E rating
Don't think it had anything to do with age rating as E rated games are allowed to have guns. Just has to be gore-free.
he keeps glossing over the realistic guns when it's a shocking thing that I want explained.
There's nothing really to explain. They wanted realistic guns for the Kong's, Miyamoto didn't. That's really it.
They should've left the shotgun
Ooo I’m really early
Yep and hope you enjoyed it as such :)
When the hell will this game hit the N64 Switch online service?
Weird world when Banjo is there but not this game.
I still remember hating this game as a teenager.
The dkc titles were so amazing and this was just a worse version of banjo kazooie with tons and tons of backtracking and awful game design
Yeah the game is still a rather hard sell on this alone and honestly there are so many ways to remedy the game like unifying the collectables and quick switching characters.
Hope the game gets a remaster one day to do that. Otherwise yeah as a huge DKC fan I really wish they had stuck to the 2.5d/Crash Bandicoot style gameplay they wanted to try
Zelda 64
At that time it was called that, so I kept up with it.
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PLZ UPLOAD MORE CUT CONTENT VIDEOS ON VIDEO GAMES EVERY WEEKEND /WEEK🤩🤩🤩😍😍🥰🥰😘😘
Will plan to! :)
I know compiling all of this information into a video and editing clips and screenshots can be tedious, but releasing videos in to parts is unnecessary, just hold out until you have things finalized, as interested as I am into cut content of games I grew up with id rather just wait for someone to shell out the grand shebang then this. Unsubscribing. Good video, good editing and splicing, but just get it all together before showcasing.
It's just a 2 part release and for "algorithmic" purposes I can't wait toooooo long to just make a super large video, otherwise the channel can suffer as it has prior when i've tried. I do plan to compile these eventually though into one big video down the road though.
The game was not ever convinced for the n64DD what are you talking about?
www.ign.com/articles/1997/07/26/donkey-kong-swings-to-64dd
@@TheObsessiveGamer by the middle of 1997 the n64 was all over I'm pretty sure, also there were no sources of where this was said, it's just like, at what presentation, what show did they say this at?
@@theallknowingsause8940 "Information translated by IGN from Dengeki magazine." It literally says in the article. A Japanese magazine printed it and IGN had it translated.
@@ShadowEl yeah but like, what's the sub context, it's not saying who said it, no details, nothing. It's like if I said "Nintendo is releasing a new Mario game called "Mario Cool world" and it's releasing September 2024”