Destiny Talks with MotherGender (FtMtF, Detransitioning, Puberty Blockers)
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Thank you for providing content now that both Destiny and August are on vacation. dggL
For how long is D gonna be on vacation ?
I would agree if I hadn't already watched all the streams
Getting withdrawals and desperately looking for new content
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@@cannedair3357 Tried it, no destiny content there either
@@VeganApexPredator LOL!
Maybe it's because I'm old, but the whole "feel male or feel female" things to me sounds like a blind taste test where you try to differentiate between apple and orange juice when all you've ever drank was water.
Yeah all the trans stuff kinda confuses me more about where my femininity stems from.
Always thought that part was weird. "I feel more female", well you're not female, so you don't know what that feels like, so how do you "feel female"? Kids used to feel "more male" and that just meant they didn't like dresses and didn't like drama. Now it's irreversible hormone therapy. Yikes.
They mean feel more masculine without the ideal of acting like such. I feel male. I feel that my body was meant for that or meant to be that but didn't. I feel like I am to be called a man, addressed as such, etc. It feels right.
Gender is flexible and trying to define "female" and "male" is irrational but I put definitions to them due to my upbringing and social experiences. And he/him to addressed to a set of people that I can see myself as, more than the group for she/her. I feel more comfortable.
I hope this helps give more perspective since it is kind of hard to explain.
@@justinebpheartss 'female' and 'male' are easily definable.. the most basic biological definitions work for male and female... 'man' and 'woman' however not so much..
@Killingdance but isnt being attracted to women's bodies masculine behavior and visa versa?
As a trans person this kinda makes me mad at trans people and also the so called professionals who clearly did not test this person properly for gender dysphoria. GD is not just disliking your sex characteristics, it’s also a very strong desire to have the opposite sex characteristics, and to be perceived by others as the opposite sex.
U are way off the plot. Most trans activists will tell u that people don't even need to have gender dysphoria in order to be trans.
it seems so terrifying going through this experience and the room for error. I still wholeheartedly support gender reassignment surgery and puberty blockers but when I hear about issues like this its really sad like there is no way back for the few people who do detransition
But it's extremely easy to fake that to either be trendy, or because of the special class it'll put the person into.
well this is happening more and more now bc the whole medical apparatus has become a trans affirming system. Which is fucked because its literally causing GD now by transitioning cis people.
@@mooael3796 puberty blockers are apart of the problem to. Firstly you don't just resume puberty after coming off them, you loose what ever development you may have had, fuck up the rest and we also don't know the long term effects on a developing mind. But also we need to be real about this, psychological analysis is at its core reliant that the person you are analysing being able to accurately understand themselves, at least in this scenario. So putting an already highly suggestable person, as this woman demonstrated, on drugs and telling them it will fix their body image issues isn't going to increase their clarity in how they report their feelings to their doctor.
Another issue with PB is that they don't even really do their job. For example, If you are a boy who goes on PB, you might not become more masculine, but all your friends will and so in relation you already are going to see yourself as more feminine. Its the same the other way as well, plenty of teenage girls who don't develop breasts while they are younger feel less feminine because of it, therefore PB will induce the same feelings. So it doesnt really stop anything, in and off itself it is transitioning, which means that it is a suggesting force in a kids mind.
Finally lets just look at the numbers, almost all these kids are going on these things younger and younger transition, if is that not a bright red flag that they are suggesting something to the kids idk what is. Also when you look the kids that dont they almost all come out as gay and loose their feelings of gender dysphoria.
This convo should have been 4x as long. There are so many interesting questions that should have been asked. Especially since this seemed to be a really good faith actor.
Wow you're a detransitioner? ...anything else...? Well hey listen I appreciate the conversation
@@bw1170 basically... Too bad.
i was in chat for this live, and i said destiny doesn’t seem very interested and someone else in chat asked me if i was autistic lmaoo
Destiny is too cowardly. Doesnt want to alienate his trans followers
@@tyler-xo3rb Right???? but I feel like he's just not interested in much lately. I feel rlly bad how this convo ended though.
I think a lot of what is happening is people of both groups (cis and trans) are conflating hating your gender with feeling like the opposite gender. The two are not the same. I'm so glad I'm not having to go through puberty in these times. I hated my body so much for its "betrayal" during puberty and still struggle severely with this although from a less childish perspective. Good luck to anyone having to navigate these issues today
I also wonder if environment has much to do with it. Hating your gender *because* of how you’re treated and feeling transition allows you to escape that transition
The adults failed her. Any Doctor involved should be stripped of any credential.
Awful.
I don't think it's as black and white. The counterpart is that if you don't transition in time there's a very high likelihood that the person will kill themselves before they're even an adult. It's a complicated and tragic situation, I wouldn't fully blame the parents or the doctors by any stretch of the imagination. The nuances in how she felt are especially difficult to capture at such a young age. Maybe the decisions were too rushed, but then again, if they weren't rushed and she ended up committing suicide we would be having a very different conversation. We should work to find better solutions, putting the blame on specific people in complicated scenarios won't help.
To be fair, Destiny AND the guest both said that, if they were parents, and all the mental health experts told them that their kid would die if the parents postponed or denied their dysphoria-reversing treatment, it’s a very rough decision to make in the moment
@@Sprite_525 Yeah it's the fault of doctors, not the parents. It should be difficult and rigorous if possible at all for a child to be able to start the processes for transitioning. There should be a without a shadow of a doubt belief the child is truly transgender and they aren't simply confused or uncomfortable with their body.
The constant acceptance of kids going through life altering surgeries otherwise they might kill themselves later is a massively copout argument nobody should accept or go along with. That maybe could have been an argument a decade or two ago when transgenderism wasn't accepted and widely pushed and promoted in mainstream society but now it is, and the rates at which children are identifying as anything other than cis has blown up massively, we are not in a situation where we can just take the words of children on whether or not they should permanently alter their body for the rest of their lives.
But yeah if anyone wants to blame anyone its the medical professionals. How it's not mainstream to go through a tough trial to determine whether a child is truly transgender or not is depressing to say the least.
@@squideww I appreciate you trying to add some nuance to the situation, but it seems very clear the doctors misdiagnosed her. Mother gender even says the result of those doctors “treatments” has “ruined her life. Transitioning isn’t something you can fully undo and neither is puberty but it’s to easier to transition later then detransition. I also think there’s a higher likelihood that somebody can be happier transitioning in adult life than detransitioning at that same age as well. Being put on life altering drugs and medications should not be taken lightly. It’s better to prevent these type of detransitioning stories from happening for than maybe catch gender dysphoria early. I agree that gender dysphoria needs more support from the medical system but not like this.
@@sed4512 you know this is a minority within the minority that trans people already are, suffering from a misdiagnosis. Bad praxis isn't a good reason to block ban minors from transitioning
Tragic story with no winners. Feel so sorry for her and her parents who all seem to be really good people.
Malingering and misdiagnosis are definitely concerns. With most mental disorders, there's generally a requirement to rule out other disorders that could be causing observed symptoms. Some countries have psychotherapeutic screening that lasts 1-3 years, I can't imagine taking only a few months.
what sounds especially horrifying is the complete shunning of detransitioners. imagine grappling with your body, coming out as trans, and having people kick you out of your community or family once you come out. then having it happen all over again when you detransition. it's just a constant threat of complete social isolation, your entire base for support and love that you've lived with for years just dropping you.
i think that would ruin me emotionally than anything.
imagine being a "trans kid" and your mum is running to doctors with you. she changes your name with you. she worries and does all the stuff she thinks is needed to transition the best way possible. and then you as a transitioned adult or teen want to detransition. how do you say that to her?? she would feel so guilty and horrible. and disappointed. which child wants to disappoint their mother? it is awful. i feel bad for all of them.
*I’m a guy.*
I remember when I was first entering puberty, I didn’t like the hair on my body.
Felt weird and uncomfortable going through those changes.
I can’t imagine someone suggest I go through surgery or hormone therapy because of that.
Imagine the young boys now going through what we all go through but instead of having a society that helps affirm what we are, nowadays they have a society that's simply confusing them more. Who wants to be a man when you're " an evil white man responsible for all the world's ills" and who wants to be a woman when "you're never gonna get ahead in life because of the evil patriarchy"?
Gender and their roles are all being confused, obfuscated, lied about, and ignored. The perks that each gender enjoyed have been thrown to the wayside, making gender a nearly meaningless thing beyond perhaps sexual encounters. Even straight men will sleep with other men if they simply look woman enough.
These are strange times that reflect a moment in history..the fall of Rome.
I'm just rambling at this point.
that is common. this is puberty shame. and it gets so forgotten because they all only talk about gender dysphoria.
Hi there, trans masc person. I spent years on waiting for whether I should transition in more permanent ways or not. In my experience, my friends always validated me that I can transition however I want and it doesn't have to be permanent. I do have good friends though and it's really annoying that nobody helped this person, as being 23 and being near their age, it feels like I had a different experience for my friends.
However, the online trans community WOULD probably not be the same as my friends. Always do what's comfortable and not just what's acceptable. It took me this long and now I'm a month into testosterone.
I'm happy with my decision.
Hey, I just saw this video and your comment, was wondering how it's going for you? Also what do you mean about online trans community?
@@NoName-ym5zj Hey, thanks for wondering. I'm still on testosterone lol and now set up for two surgeries for more alignment, especially due to the fact that I prefer to not have a workable womb. As for remarks on the "online trans community", I believe that there's a difference from your average Facebook support group and chronically online children that learned to dox people over really questionable reasons. I prefer to not take my chances as I am not your average queer who is heavily left leaning, communist-associated, and cool with violence against people who have differing opinions of mine.
I think the best way to not stray away from your true feelings as being transgender and to still keep community, is to go touch grass or at least stick to more surface-level online communities. The biggest concern is that I knew former friends that end up in this extreme niche end by seeking validation and end up conforming into these specific boxes where their opinions seem distorted around "logical empathy" when it's really just being a pushover.
This isn't just a "trans" thing, but it is something that affects it. It's another means of labeling being utilized as a conforming tool, even if not actively known. It still suppresses conversations that are needed to be had, like why is being gay fine but not being a p*do? (not equating the two, but it's an argument had over and over again). Allies and members need to be equipped to handle these conversations, because if nobody rebukes them, they will seek their own, really shitty opinion online. That's just how it is.
I hope this gives a bit of a deeper perspective here. I've been trying to disconnect from social media more and more, but I've had people in person, say some really weird shit that doesn't align to reality. It affects all sides, but it's important to know *how* it affects the ones that are in your life.
@@justinebpheartss nice to hear you are doing well! Aside from the womb thing what's the other surgery you want to do? If that's okay to ask ofc, I'm curious since I don't know much about FTM stuff.
Yeah, I see what you're saying about online communities, it makes total sense. I have recently tried interacting with some trans communities on Reddit, reading about people's experiences to understand if what I am having could be gender dysphoria, this might sound dumb, but I live in Ukraine and the internet is the best place you can get a competent opinion on trans issues that won't devolve into "go pray it away in church" or "die f*ggot". So what I found was that everyone was super affirming, maybe even too much so, nobody was actually trying to help people figure out their feelings, they wanted only to affirm whatever it was they brought into the discussion as long as it fit with their views. I understand why it may seem helpful to them, but this unrestricted affirmation seems very toxic to me.
Regardless, I am now 99% I am trans. I mean, I have been thinking about transitioning for like 12 years now, because I wasn't satisfied with my gender, pretty sure that means something ... Will attempt transition, no idea how It will go during the war, but hopefully I will figure something out.
I wish you the best, friendo
@@NoName-ym5zj I'm having top surgery and permanent birth control, since I know I want these things. Don't push for anything that you're not fully informed on and don't feel fully comfortable with, since HRT and gender affirming surgeries are permanent usually, or at least leave an impact, even if undone. There's nothing dumb in seeking validation and confirmation on what you're feeling, as most people do that with things like parenting, schooling, career choice, etc. I really do hope you're doing okay over there. I don't know the full situation as of now, as it's been on-going for a while, but a simple thing you could at least do is a name change. Social transitioning is usually the first step, can be reverted, and allows you to adjust accordingly.
If you can't find anything in person for a trans community, I recommend straying away from MOGAI or more niche gender stuff for now. I indulge myself in that community since I am very firm in my beliefs and don't feel swayed by it and I always like to know what's going on, but until you feel confident in your identity, gender and the concepts around it, their beliefs could 100% skew you into a really weird and awkward direction. It did that to me when I was younger, but I touched some grass and came back. If you find communities that utilize a lot of extreme mental health integration in a very casual way (DID, hyper-manic people, schizophrenia, etc), I would avoid those too. They turn into weird, needless online drama of someone's Harry Potter character that's an alter (another person inside their body), upset that someone's manic state is having them post the color red, when red is their trigger. It's stupid, exhausting and you'll find zero comfort there.
Otherwise, play it by ear. Take your time with things. Touch grass, meaning just don't get too stuck online, and ultimately, the best of luck in Ukraine. Please be safe x
@@justinebpheartss thanks for the advice and good luck to you too!
Sounds like a perfect storm of fuck ups. Really terrible.
Well get ready, because within the next 5 to 15 years we are going to have a ton of stories just like this one.
@@GaigeGrosskreutzsMissingBicep Hopefully not, but this does tend to be a side effect of newly adopted treatments. Blood transfusions had similar issues during their debut.
@@Crispman_777 its not just that. The main problem is the social pressure, and the parents who want to virtue signal and use their kid to show how "tolerant" they are.
@@GaigeGrosskreutzsMissingBicep I struggle to imagine parents en mass forcibly transitioning their kids so they can virtue signal, standard nutjobs notwithstanding.
@@GaigeGrosskreutzsMissingBicep Yep, I have seen it happen, young girls are especially susceptible to it.
It's heartbreaking to hear her story of the community that used to be a source of comfort and affirmation turned on her as she started to show doubt about it all.
looneys being looneys who cares
I'm 6 minutes in.
I'm sad.
This is unfortunate she had to live such a confused life.
anyone else noticed the amount of women who've detransitioned?
Not surprising. Women are literally 80% of recorded social hysteria victims. For some reason, it’s really easy to convince women of something even if it’s to cut their boobs and shit.
Isn’t it true that women out pace men in transitioning by a lot
@@michealjaymurphy I don't think so, there is A LOT more transwomen than there are transmen, but there are a lot more women who identify as non-binary and have this butch\ male-presenting thing going for them. That last part is based more on my personal perception, but according to stats I have seen transwomen vastly outnumber transmen.
How I escaped the trans pipeline
You might be joking, but fart left ideas really are not checked like far right ideas are.
I wish Destiny would have pushed her more around the 10 minute mark about what specifically researchers are lying about with regards to puberty blockers - that’s the kind of thing he would usually give pushback on.
seems like he atleast partially agreed since he mentioned a specific study in which that happened. Also probably not too relevant to the conversation at hand I guess?
Only things I remember are hearing about problems with clotting and vaginal (idk about the cocc) atrophy, but I honestly wish they'd delved deeper too
It wasn't a debate I don't think there was much reason to press the issue.
@@lindholmarenholy sht, vaginal and cock atrophy sounds pretty damn serious
He said he covered it with someone else but I dont know if that vod is up.
An important factor really seems to stick out to me; ftm desire tends to spark out of not having male-oriented opportunities while being a girl and getting those opportunities even if it means changing your gender. Then, later on, these people realize they can have opportunities without being trans so they detransition. It's probably a whole different story for mtfs, which is why I don't think mtf detrans logic should apply and be considered for mtfs as well.
so esentially the problem is leftist lie to girls and tell them "society is so sexist only men can ever achieve anything".
@@watchonjar You're trying to twist the narrative. Leftists often tell people that they can be whatever they want, which isn't the bad part, but then blame society for any hardships that marginalized people encounter while ignoring the importance of self-actualization and realization, which is the bad part. But good on you for trying to make this a partisan issue and glossing over obvious right-wing traditionalist misogyny that's still very much present.
This is an interesting point that definitely makes sense after some thought, thanks for bringing this up
@@HyperRapid Im not you are coping. Leftist tell people that you should be able to do what ever you want without any friction even down to just negative comments, then they say the reason you cant is because all of society is fundamentally evil, but then demoralise people by also saying that your can't make any real change or improvement individually and that instead your only hope to have a good life is to support massive social movement's/revolution.
But im not suppressed you would say any of what you say because another thing leftist do is lie, since what is the value in truth if you don't believe in principled morality.
@@watchonjar What did I say that's a lie? you just repeated my comment back at me with a bit of added flavour.
The fact of the matter is, that most people have an idealized view of what a woman should be, and this in turn undoubtedly causes a generally negative impact on the self-actualization of women. You see, these people use learned social behaviours to suppress a woman's self-actualization. Nowadays these behaviours are present mostly in right-wingers which is why I referred to them specifically.
On the topic of morality, its relative and norms are ever-changing. Look at it historically and you'll realise that it's constantly developing. Objective truth is valuable because it helps us build our understanding of science and help people better, which then, in turn, helps our whole species survive better and have a greater sense of wellbeing. If we were all clinging to moral ideals, we'd still be in the middle ages or worse, surely you know that back in the day any progressive ideas that would challenge the moral axioms of the holy book would be thrown out the window. Imagine how science and technology would have suffered if that continued to be the case.
I don't think the comparison to a kid having cancer is fair. Cancer doesn't give you a choice. I get how hard for a child to go through that at a young age but what happen s to them is ultimately their choice.
If anything, the main thing I've taken from this conversation is that its probably a good thing for the medical establishment to be cautious when minors come in claiming they are trans or have dysmorphia issues. I remember in my far lefty days I would've been crimson red at the idea that a 16 year old couldn't get HRT day one. I know this because I even used it as a point of argumentation that in a paper that I wrote. But its important to remember that these are huge, life-altering decisions and taking a little time to really nail down the issue might be the difference between a trans person properly being able to identify themselves after lots of introspection versus a potential detransitioner who, like many teens, just hates puberty.
Bless! Nobody had ever made this argument well, and I had previously taken its advocates for bigots. 🤘 You two just educated my ignorant asp
I feel like this kind of thing lends a lot of credence to the feminist idea of "the male gaze." It is possible that had Athena not had such a troubling experience regarding her breasts, she may not have attributed her disdain for them as dysphoria.
I'm almost certain that 95% of teenagers who want to transition are simply victims of the "grass is greener" fallacy pertaining to gender.. The peer pressure that teenagers experience only compounds this effect.
@silentsledge Teenagers don't understand benefit and detriment.
@silentsledge I fear that these mental health professionals, and those professionals that do the gender re-assignment surgery, are stuck between a rock and a hard place. When they find a patient who is straight up lying, do they deny the go-ahead with surgery, or mental affirmation from the mental health professional, or do both of these professionals wanna lose their license by getting cancelled?
@silentsledge Okay, so maybe the medical board won't literally revoke the validity of the doctors' medical license, but the court of public opinion after the anger from activists would all but make that medical license useless if doctors could no longer get patients after bad publicity. You speak of these previously placed barriers to transition as if they were a bad thing. There is no evidence that going through with transitioning with hormones or surgery, has decreased the rates of suicide.
or it is nothing at all. just a girl who likes stuff that is for boys and then she is a bit confused because everyone makes it a problem
Gender surgeries are very profitable.
are they tho? its not like they are very common
@phonkymonkey yea, it’s not like the left is pushing transitioning onto young, impressionable children or anything.
Isn't any surgery?
I feel like that's true of any surgery. I'd be more curious to find out which regularly aren't all that profitable. Or in a country with more socialized medicine than the US, which surgeries are almost cost-prohibitive. Like, what might you be steered away from because the general guideline is that it's not worth the money for the state to perform unless it's necessary.
@@ernie.99 there was a 9 month waiting list for my ffs
I’m cis but I can totally relate to developing and hitting puberty early and getting (very) unwanted male attention at 11 from both boys at school and especially from older guys and adults. Kids in school bullied me and I had a teacher who used to ask me to stay after class so he could “help” me with the bullying. But all he did was perve on me and ask me very inappropriate questions about my body.
I'm sorry that happened to you.
@Polo- Snap Yeah it really messed me up for a while. You like older women? If you’re an adult, it’s fine. However be aware that huge age gaps a lot of the time turn out to be (for lack of a better term) problematic. 🤷♀️
@@Metonymy1979 Aww thank you, I appreciate the kindness. Can’t say that it didn’t mess me up. But that’s life I guess.
@Polo- Snap If you’re attracted to youth period, it’s creepy no matter your gender.
@@Observette I’ve got terrible news for you then lmao
Amazing interview. Much needed perspective. Thank you.
Not everything is cut and dry. One thing I worry about, which is almost unavoidable as acceptance grows, is that there is a kind of trans trend, and there is a lot of bad information around mental heath and dwelling in your traumatic experiences which can lead to very young people making rash decisions based on these things.
*Baseline transgender occurrence had been predictable and constant for as long as we have been counting their existence* At least 70 years. *BUT THE LAST 10 YEARS TRANS IDENTITY HAS EXPLODED 4000%* Yes, 40X baseline. Nobody is addressing this, talking about this, and trans activism won't touch this stat. So what am I getting at? I'm saying that "1X" (or baseline) constant for 70+ years, indicates what I would refer to as 'innate naturally-occurring' gender dysphoric trans people. The real, rare unicorns that they always were. Always a specific proportion of the population, and even the LGBT population. That being said, I am saying the spike in the last 10 years, which we could call the new "39X" portion of the trans population - are essentially suspicious. Something is wrong. There is NO WAY, even with some super-duper social acceptance of a human phenomenon, that one could/would expect even a DOUBLING (2X) of an entire population. That would be as crazy as suddenly gay people doubling across only 10 years. Doubling an innate, naturally-occurring baseline, does not happen like that. Maybe across centuries or millennia? A doubling is a HUGE statistical move. But here we are dealing with an additional 39X population, in only 10 years. Think deeply about this, and the likely conclusion is not a good one - but what else is there to explain it? I propose that we are dealing with a social contagion. Worse still - even with a doubling (2X) of trans people in 10 years (let's say it's due to ALL trans people finally being able to 'come out') ... that still leaves the new "38X" ... which is still 95% of trans people right now. I am saying the VAST MAJORITY of current trans people in the last 10 years (yes, 95% of them, by my math) are not innately transgender. I believe they are confused, mentally-broken, socially-awkward, low-esteem, body-hating LGB youth - who have fallen into trans ideology as some kind of "rebirth" identity project for themselves. Meaning, they are going down a rabbit hole mentally, medically, and surgically toward something that is not only a mistake... but was chosen/learned. A social fad. A social contagion. A mental illusion, no different than Furries who believe they have a 'fursona' ... except treated as dead serious... not a fantasy. I truly believe this 95% will NOT be trans in 10, 20, 30 years - after the fad wears off, after growing up, after adult reality kicks in... none of these people are going to their caskets, buried as trans people at age 90. The de-transitioning will become staggering and horrific epidemics in 25+ years. Why alarm bells aren't ringing in the trans community, and why affirmation is so rampant, floors me. The "real" innate transgender people (the rare baseline that was always there) are now lost in a sea of identity-laden anti-normative counterculture people who believe they are trans. They suck up all the air in the room, hog all the healthcare services, create all the dogma, and dominate the dialogue. This is a social catastrophe, 95% imposter.
Do you have sources on those stats?
@@SOSLICK22 I had posted a reply a couple times, but it's not showing. I believe the comment is quarantined, due to all the links I put in it. I'll check back tomorrow. If it's not here, I'll have to re-write from scratch and try again. Maybe less links. Dunno.
I always thought it was kind of odd that this sudden boom of "trans" people was seen as anything but very concerning. It's something I always felt like I was living in a loony bin about. That no-one seems to notice the smoke coming in from under the door.
Go touch grass lol
@@SOSLICK22 I'm going to re-try posting the sources, one-by-one so I can make sure they are going public. If I see them disappearing (which usually means links are causing them to be put into Destiny's comment quarantine folder) I'll simply have to stop. So here goes the first one:
The best public records come from the Tavistock Gender Clinic in the UK. Since it is run by the NHS (National Health Services), thus completely government funded by UK taxpayers - they don't keep their stats private. It's also a great example of a clinic because a) it's the only one in the UK, therefore it's "the only place all the trans people can go for gender healthcare" b) since it is NHS funded, there are no financial barriers for out-of-pocket spending, therefore it doesn't skew against people wanting care, but staying away because they cannot afford it.
Here are the referral rates of 2010-2020:
images.app.goo.gl/ZfpHBxKyyo6dq52G8
What I called "baseline" was where things were at 2009 and prior. In other words, if the graph extended backward 30 years, it would be essentially "flat" at the 2009 levels, or even less.
You can see what has happened in merely a decade. Most of the phenomenon is girls-seeking-to-be-boys. The UK is a good example of a western democratic nation, much like the USA. Although stats in the USA are scant, as every gender clinic is a private enterprise. However it is a fact that in 2007 there was only ONE gender clinic in the USA. Today there are well over 50. That is a 50X increase in facilities in only 15 years. Staggering. I'll move onto a Canadian example next, as most Canadian clinics are also government healthcare (thus public record).
I'm actually starving for content right now
good convo
This person is intellectually honest and it just goes to show that not all transgenders feels represented by the lgbtq “brand” nor should they because there is so much more to a person than his/her gender and it shouldn’t matter that much
I agree, unfortunately it does though, there are huge systemic issues that we need to address like discrimination
It isn’t a big part of who I am, but other people make it a big deal
Good convo
it is kind of frustraiting someone like Destiny will be up in arms if someone young doesn't get surgery if they want it if they are given it and they regret it it is somehow just a "opsie" and not an extremely serious problem.
more of this person pls
Anyone have a link or know which specific study they are referring to at the 10 minute mark? I want to check this out and the lying part they mentioned.
Look up the Karolinska Institute scandal
Kids have developed osteoporosis after being put on puberty blockers
@@bigernkingpin thank you
@@RedRyuSmash no problem, if you look up "trans train" it is the 3 part documentary describing everything that was uncovered. It is on TH-cam
i met ppl like this on 4chan both afab and amab. there are two classes of egg. the ones who accept their identity as obvious, who see their transition needs as clear BUT who doubt themselves-these ppl know its inevitable and do sooner or later transition and if they detrans would do so out of financial necessity. on the other hand there are those who doubt everything-the need to transition in whatever aspect, their identity as not their birth sex-the ppl like this who doubt themselves don't transition. the ones with weak waffling identities-who never had a clear imperative to not be their birth sex, the ones like this who are confident and naturally self assured-might transition end up as detrans. their experiences are valid and meaningful but they are right when they say they are cis.
confident ppl with strong identities simply are not eggs for long-they are the young transitioners who stay with it. an identity just has to be comforting, it can be a range of things with a range of reasons for transition--but cis and trans is a meaningful distinction
also, this person conflating the "far left" and "far right" opinions on these issues is very telling. i can't really think of a dangerously far left view on trans ppl in the real world
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Can someone link the study about people lying on puberty blockers? Something smells off.
5 months!? Jesus
Do you think the detransitioners should sue some of the doctors that pushed them towards transitioning in the first place?
Are you joking? You people press the idea of transphobia in societies, the idea of being trans having nothing to do with being confused, the idea of minors needing to have more agency. Live with it. You demanded that people should not question that loonacy. Nothing wrong with those doctors. They do what loony society wishes them to do.
It makes you wonder if the solution is significantly raising the bar for transitioning but also covering some of the basic procedures so waiting doesnt make it significantly more expensive
Proof that amongst every demographic of people is a relatively comparable ratio/spectrum of good to evil people. Of loving to hateful people. Of selfless to selfish people. Of empathic to psychopathic people. But only one side can truly get away with it under the guise of being part of a group that has the moral shield of protecting the most marginalized foljs
I'm really curious what she claims doctors are lying about in the study? Did he say it's picked apart on the Destiny subreddit?
lol chat big mad
Small nitpick but I'm pretty sure the individual in the thumbnail isn't Mothergender but Watson, another detrans woman
Yeah definitely not her, the other woman is Scottish I believe.
This is exactly why minors should not do this. So sad.
Damn this is saddening
Does anyone have a link to destiny's previous talk with a de-transitioner? I hear it referenced a lot but can't find a place to listen to it.
What a surprise.
They talk while he was playing?
MANIFESTO WHEN????
These people aren't old enough to consent to sex, but we can let them decide to alter there body with "medications" and surgery? even just stalling their puberty does long term damage especially in young boys, effecting their penis growth etc. But i guess because a very small amount of troubled kids killed themselves because they had gender dysphoria / depression, its worth the risk and all makes sense...
These poor kids need mental health support, not to be put under the knife or injected with hormones by people that only think they know whats best for them. Its like what this person said in the video, trust was put in the "medical professionals" and the judgment of a child, surprise surprise, neither knew what was best and now the child has to live with the consequences.
But this also validates that gender dysphoria does exist because if you transition and then hate your transition so much you won’t to go back to your original gender, you are experiencing gender dysphoria. This was just a misdiagnosis but it doesn’t negate the fact that people have gender dysphoria and want to transition. I feel like the doctors should have asked more question about why do you want to be a man/ boy and not only ask questions about why do you hate your gender
Also dont look up John Money
lol SCAMMED! no refunds
You talk to Benjamin Boyce yet?
Could it be the case, for some people, that they get addicted to the transitioning process? A bit like Munchhausen?
This is just sad
Unfortunately, we don't live in some RPG where you can change your sex and be whatever you want. There is no amount of surgery or anything really that you can do to change what you are. In fact, in the long term, it will cause you serious harm and probably knock some years off your life. If you have issues with your body, perhaps working on your mental state is a much safer and better alternative. Accept and love yourself for who you are and don't worry about what other people think.
But thats what we already do, we transition out of self care and self love... Hating ourselves would be living in in the closet living in pain in secret for the sake of family and society opinions
That didn’t work, I’m much happier now. In that state of mind I couldn’t imagine a future I was happy in, let alone be happy.
Also you can change sex characteristics lol
@@ellewilliams5162 using a knife to filet genitals isn’t really a convincing change of sex characteristics to me
Gotcha so conversion therapy
Years from now there will be a statue of Destiny next to Mr Girl and the plaque will read "The greatest trans advocates the internet didn't deserve"
Some of this aged like milk
@@joeshmoe4207 You ain't kidding.
Is Mother Gender a new gender?
Yes. it is the mother of all genders
no
not every child with gender dysphoria is trans. it is quite the opposite. most of the children with gender dysphoria will grow out of it and be butch women, maybe gay. puberty blockers set them on a path to transition even though there is no way to get a diagnosis for how they will feel later in life. it is true that every trans person has had gender dysphoria as a child, but that doesn't mean that every kid with gender dysphoria is and will be trans. only a subset of the set of gender dysphoric children will be trans when they are adults - IF you don't put them on puberty blockers! if you put them on puberty blockers they will continue and get on HRT and become trans adults. i am curious if there will be more adults who have been transitioning since childhood who detransition. it must be really weird because they are used to feel bad about themself and everyone tells them that they feel bad because they are trans and it becomes normality. also they would disappoint their parents a lot and make them feel guilty if they say they want to detransition. i think thats tough.
Destiny can you wish my Mom a happy birthday? It would mean the world to me.
This isn't his channel. :p
@@speedfastman He wouldn't see it if it were. He hires someone to manage it
Not Destiny but happy birthday, Mom! :)
:'(
Giving a kid puberty blockers is child abuse. And this is one of the main things I split with Destiny on. It honestly surprises me he is ok with puberty blockers.
There are barely any downsides, a normal puberty can occur later on with no issues :)
What’s abusive about it?
@@cocaineanddunhills4801 Would you say the same of surgery?
@@TheRedHaze3 sex change surgery on a child under the age of 18 is wrong because of its permanence. Puberty blockers fills in the niche of a child not wanting to present as the gender they are assigned with room to change their mind later in life with little consequence to their health. Hope this helps
puberty blockers aren't permanent which is why most people(including me) don't view it as child abuse. If they decide that transiting isn't for them then they can reverse it with no long term negative effects outside of a later puberty. On the other side if they do decide transiting is for them then they are going to be able to fit into what they view themselves as a lot easier
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