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- Miquella, why do you have so much fucking lore?
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Also, for long-time subscribers to my channel, I'm so sorry we're rehashing a lot of old information! There are a lot of new folks here who seem confused about Melina, the Gloam Eyed Queen, and the timeline of Miquella - so I condensed info into this vid as a handy resource :) and by "handy" i mean a totally cumbersome incomprehensible 52 min video.
That’s show biz baby! (Jk but fr this is how we like it)
will this be on the exam?
@@gretchling5012 In June, yes.
This is a bit off topic but there’s a lot of discussion recently about how Miranda was a goddess in the past the same way Marika is currently.
A lesser known gardening fact is some flower bushes can’t thrive without ants. Idk why but it’s a thing. Anyway I think the ants found around the ancient cities were Miranda’s equivalent to the living jars Marika uses to fertilize erdtrees. The ants seem to collect runes which may have been used to feed the erdtree equivalent of that era.
I feel like there’s a lot more to the Miranda flowers than most notice
I never would have remembered it all 😂
I can’t believe I never interpreted “I dreamt for so long” as Malenia searching for St. Trina in her dreams 🤯
Quelaag is my favorite history professor
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I swear I’ve learned more about history from her and TA than any high school or college professor
Her lore interpretation is filthy, in the best way totally agree
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Could we ever get a lil Quelaag SmoughTown collaboration 👀👀👀????????
@@brodagabeadk if smough wants to I’m down ! I have homework to do for him rn tho 🥹 he’s working on something rly cool
@@quelaag I like the missing land + migration theories, trailer got me thinking this is leading to more Jar-Friends & Jar-Lore!
also w that maybe the "missing piece" to all of the multiplayer colosseums? 😭 they all happen to face the missing land
I know it’s gonna be good when it opens immediately to an image board 💯
gettin right down to business babey
I honestly love the Pepe Silvia style red thread conspiracy board videos she does.
DLC Prediction: Miquella’s gonna give Elden John a lil smooch
Jus a lil one tho
Thas my homie, and were gonna marry him and create the Order of Abundance or whatever tf
If only we could be so lucky
Oh BOY! Do I have news for you
@@Care-ek8wj you weren’t lying 😩
"...keeps me up at night" keeps me up at night
45:04 mesmer attempting to burn the erdtree would explain why serpents are a symbol of blasphemy and betrayal since he is adorned in serpents
So now we know that Melina is a daugther of Marika, the Smoldering Butterflies belong to her and Messmer has his own butterflies. According to Messmer's Kindling item description. It talks about how his sister "bore a vision of fire".
I never noticed the connections between Miquella and the Ancestral Followers! That's a great eye for linking together the nascent butterflies, the dappled meat, and the mottled necklace. It is interesting that those items boost resistances to scarlet rot, as opposed to providing a cure, which could fit in with the cut content of Miquella wanting all things to flourish, whether graceful or malign. And speaking of cut content, the 1.00 version does have Ancestral Followers infected with the Scarlet Rot all over the Grand Cloister of the Lake of Rot, which further supports the connection.
For the Gloam-Eyed Queen, I always liked the idea that it’s a title and there could have been multiple GEQs throughout the Lands Between (like the title of Elden Lord). That could iron out any timeline inconsistencies (e.g. Hot Topic Melina appears long after Maliketh defeated the GEQ).
…unless time travel is a deeper part of the lore. Then Miquella is Elden John.
I think we as a community have to accept that this is a dysfunctional family and we as tarnished are here to save it 😅
This family is more unstable than Tekken's Mishima family
Yes... "Save" them. Hewg and Iji will be instrumental in crafting the tools of their salvation.
Save? More like massacre.
@@MrKyltpzyxm I mean that kind of is the same as saving them in this world. They should have died long ago but the process of death & rebirth was halted when Marika separated the death rune.
Duality in everything.
"What was once taken must be return or something"- Hyetta@coltrueg
DLC is out. Siblings confirmed. I hope you can finally sleep.
Gideon mentions miquellas "infant form". Do we think miquella is literally an infant at this stage or maybe during the time imbedded in the Haligtree, He rebirthed himself. Starting over again. Then Mogh did his thing .
I wanna say miquella was like 70% done uploading which is why whats left is withered
@@quelaag He's a poorly cooked pizza roll.
@@XNaturalPhenomenonXNoooo!
Moghlester advertised that he has candy in his blood van.
@@apolloisnotashirtapologize to mohg. It was Miquella with the white van
The Miquella rebirthing process reminds me of the land octopus ovaries, so many ways to recycle death in elden ring
I love soulsborne lore comunity: let's talk about butterflies! - so, in Mesopotamia... 😂
I've been hearing about Quelaag from a long time in each Vaati video I watched. This is my first time watching one of her videos. You have my like, my sub, and I don't see a patreon but I'd support this channel forever!
Great video!
I have one floating around but I’m so bad at advertising! I’ll talk about it in my next video!
so happy my miquella 401 class dropped right on time for me to ace the test when DLC summer school starts
Yours and Tarnished Archaeologist's work on constructing the timelines is always very impressive! I still think there's something to the essentiality of Marika's title "The Eternal"-- we know other titles are imbued with/ encompass the aesthetics of their divine power throughout elden ring (Godrick's Grafting, Radahn's Starscourge, Rykard's Blasphemy, etc.)-- when it comes to the timeline... if there is a time "before the Erdtree" and even a backstory for how Marika "The Eternal" ascended to godhood, where in a timeline would the start of that fit?
The only way I could picture it in my head is "At the beginning of the story/the Genesis" which would probably be at the point of either when the Crucible was formed, or it it is at the moment where Farum Azula exists, and is slowly being crumbled away from. The most important shape in the game-- the Elden Ring-- also implies to me that the relation of time to these characters is cyclical, which would make sense thematically with the ascensions of Elden Lords (and if we consider how Rennala the Full Moon is involved, the Lunar Cycle is something to take from it literally)
the only other major chronological order we see in its relation to the nature of the Lands Between is the birth order of the Golden Lineage under each Elden Lord's reign, and the two ends of the timeline-- Marika's Ascension and Miquella's death-- one could say is ~braided~ together. This Antediluvian period then, presumably, would repeat the cycle, restarting back in a Genesis, but as we learned from Goldmask's Perfect Order, it is an imperfect cycle, so the Lands Between remain in a state of "Eternal", Shattering.
Every hammer swing by Radagon to mend the Ring // is another by Marika to break the Ring.
Spontaneous thought, the main way that the redmane knights fight the scarlet rot is with fire, perhaps Miquella’s reason for searching out Messmer is because Messmer’s flame may be capable of curing Malenia.
The Redmanes use fire not to cure, but to burn out the rot - burning the bodies to keep the sickness from spreading and scorching the ground so that nothing can grow from it. If they had flamethrowers, they'd be using them on everyone and everything.
I think it's more likely that Miquella isn't looking for Messmer specifically, but looking for the origin of the Erdtree and Marika's ascent to godhood. Maybe Marika and the Greater Will killed the Gloam Eyed Queen and her Outer God patron, and Miquella is planning to kill the Rot God that's supposedly sealed away under the lake of rot.
I know this is gonna sound insane if you haven’t seen it yet, and if you bring this up in the video I apologize, but LOOK AT PRINCE CHARLES’ NEW PORTRAIT! It’s got a butterfly on it and it’s giving scarlet rot vibes
LMFAO I SAW IT
Really rocking that Sith Lord look
Presiding over the rotting corpse of an empire 😂
covered in blood, but his hands are clean. typical
That's a Project Monarch reference. MK Ultra was about creating separate triggerable tulpas within one person, which is quite topical here.
38:57 also in that secret room you can loot the officials attire. It has a cool description "... worn by magisterial officials to carry out their grim task. ..."
The one ingame NPC that wears that robe is the inquisitor ghiza who invades the player at volcano manor. If Melina is inside/with us, it could be possible Ghiza wants to kill us to stop Melina.
It seems all types of politicians / officials wear this type of attire - but I do think there was a group like Ghiza that were jailers / torturers (specifically like everyone in the shaded castle). This guy seems to be one of them
The way Quelaag lore dumps gets the creative thoughts flowing is simply incomparable. Speaking to this Melina origin, I heavily lean towards the idea that the Gloam Eyed Queen was probably sealed inside the Erdtree by Marika. We know the Erdtree can give form to new life. We now know Marika can cause schisms between the nature of reality (veiling entire worlds), so I would say the Gloam Eyed Queen or at least her ability could’ve been useful to keep as a trump card if her plans failed. She likely used the Erdtree to repurpose or reconstitute the Gloam Eyed Queen into Melina and placed the seal on her eye so that only if the unthinkable happened she would then be activated.
I see Marika having motivations to do this as a penance. She forces Godfrey, Maliketh, the blacksmith, the last fire giant to serve penances that ALSO further her secret agendas. This is very fitting for Melina’s confusion as to her amnesiac memory/identity and strange motivation to fulfill her purpose.
As for her tie to Miquella, I think this fits as she used the gloam eyed queen or her essence to form the basis for the third child as all demigod children come in 3s.
Can't tell you how much I love Elden Ring Lore being discussed over Stardew Valley music
Love when Quelaag gets to yappin 🥹❤️
I remember a distinct period in the history of elden ring lore theorists where everyone was throwing up their hands and saying "I give up". Then at somepoint something clicked and now a few channels are converging around this timeline. King of cool to see the emergence of unified elden ring theory.
Until the DLC shatters all of our assumptions on the timelines.
I’m down for the shattering
The connection between Radagon and the giants both having red hair is interesting. Perhaps thematically it's representative of M/R having a side to themselves that is capable of or desires to destroy the erdtree and tear down the old order (which at least part of them actually does later).
From her spoken echoes M seems to have already planned for the tarnished to return before even sending them off, so the timeline of her goals and plans is quite mysterious.
Wake up babe, new Quelaag dropped.
Been a fan since Dark Souls 1 days. One of the best channels around! My dream Collab is you and Tarnished Arch. I would also like for you to be a guest on Sinclair Lore.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Yes please!
I can't wait for my favorite history teacher to meet Loreacle and the cast of Dignity City.
Im glad George RR Martin is getting credit. I remember at the beginning people were joking that he only wrote the title and downplaying his role, but as a fan of his I could see his fingerprints on things since day one.
Now with the black pyrefly I'm almost certain the smouldering butterfly is Melina
This is my favorite format honestly, it feels more natural and sporadic, it works.
I also love how you can see the differences between the Ancient Erdtrees Rune being all “over the place” and chaotic” with its symbolism, as the roots are stretched out and go everywhere whilst in contrast the Golden Order’s, whom are obsessed with “order”, is all very conjoined and has more geometrical and uniform shapes! they really went off with these!
I love the idea that butterflies themselves represent the mirrored/twined personality thru the wings of butterflies being identical. ❤
she's probably going insane right now playing this expansion
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Miquella has many Royal Revenants at Elphael, yet there are no Wraith Callers to summon them. I think Miquella was splitting souls from bodies as experimentation to figure out how to do it and reverse it (making wraiths from souls and revenants from soulless bodies). Royal Revenants were being used by the Carians to guard their places and things (such as at Manus Celes and in the room where we can finds Iji's ice rapier weapon). The wraiths are the same as what Omens spew from their mouths and bodies, and we find Wraith Callers and a Revenant in Leyndell's sewers, near the Omen.
Miquella has been studying many ways to free himself from the Grace of the Erdtree, and the Greater Will, for a long time. Regal Ancestors, Nox, Wraiths, Revenants, Omen...he has been studying them all, and experimenting all the while.
OOOOHHHHH Ive always wondered why they're there. There's also the crystalians??? Just posted up
@@quelaag I am just speculating, honestly. I just find it odd that in vers 1.00 he is more directly tied to the Carians and that both of them seem to have Revenants as guardians. In vers. 1.00 his father is said to gift Loretta to Miquella, and we find the Carian sword that has been augmented to be a Haligtree sword, and Ranni and Miquella both seem to want to cut ties with the Greater Will and other outer gods, seeking to be "bodiless" in their own way. The Carians were likely experimenting with soul/body divisions before Miquella did, which is why there are Wraith Callers and Revenants around Liurnia, too, and Crystallians, as you said. I also wonder if the seedbed curses we find at the Haligtree were put there by the Dungeater or by Miquella during his experiments. There are, notably, no Omen whatsoever at the Haligtree.
@@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962I'm just starting to dive into the mountains of lore, but one thing that I haven't looked into yet is the Haligtree. Your descriptions here of How Miquella is experimenting with so many different forces got me thinking about what a big deal it is that he has his own whole giant holy tree. Like, he was going all out to do his own thing.
Ranni killed her conduit to the Greater Will and found a consort to aid in rebuilding the world. Miquella seems to just be building a whole new one from scratch. (Or I've latched onto a few details and am extrapolating wildly from partial information before actually fully understanding the whole of what already exists explicitly. 🤷)
@@MrKyltpzyxm yeah, Miquella is a tinkerer. His Haligtree was born from a cutting/sapling of the Erdtree fed by his own Sacramental blood (hence the Sacramental buds we find in game). Some think Miquella is benevolent and wants a more benign Order. Me, I think he has ulterior motives and is more like his parents than the others demigods.
I just want to come state how happy i am that on my first playthrough of ER i went to and did Siofra after losing to Margit and so i was rather underleveled for the Ancestral Spirit - which was such a beautiful fight, especially in that lense.
Also totally agree about it being extremely cool how human history is used to imply age of areas/dynasties comparatively in Elden Ring. Looking forward to your video!
I'm only 10 seconds into the video right now but I still strongly believe Melina is a child of Godfrey and Marika since, like their other children, Melina also has a curse reflected in her butterfly. But I'm so excited for the lore we get about Messmer the Impaler in the dlc, with a name like that it has to be awesome.
But Melania and Miquella are the children of radagon and marika not godfrey and marika...
Melina is more likely Radagon and Marika’s child since Melina has pink/reddish hair. She also somehow inherited the Gloam-Eyed Queen’s power though. Could be GEQs child too, Melina is a real enigma.
@@Time4theJuiceI believe that the Snow Witch might have been the GEQ, and Ranni and Melina essentially went to the same school.
I have to say I love these style videos. Highly edited videos are great and I respect a lot of the other channels for their slickness BUT I equally if not more enjoy exploring your research boards.
52 min flew right by, I was right with you with my eyes squinted and head scratching... Can't WAIT for the DLC holy smokes
"Uld Palace" is the ruins in the Liurnia overworld, near one of its Minor Erdtrees (Uhl Palace is of course the one in Ainsel River)
Something about an unsolved story is just so enticing to me. I love seeing a community come together for this stuff
Put my money down now that messmer will open his eye and it will be the eye of the fell God.
i don’t even want editing 😂 laying it out like this is actually exactly what i’ve been needing
18:30 Here's how I see it.
The Great Tree refers to the larger organism that is all Erdtrees combined in a root network. That's why the terms are used somewhat interchangeably.
This root system is synonymous with the crucible since it sprouts new growth throughout the Lands Between. Crucible Knight Siluria also cements these concepts together.
Lastly, the crucible era is as ancient as Farum Azula because there are misbegotten steles all over the walls, and that was before Marika's and Godfrey's Erdtree.
you know it's time to lock in when she's got the Pepe Silvia conspiracy board open on frame 1
thank you for this "old head" content haha i love your chaotic but crazily cooked up and solid theories, one of the more undervalued souls channels imo just based on the fact that you tie it back into real world comparisons they built off and always do your best to source stuff. my mind was blown watching this post DLC and seeing the connection to malenia dreaming to find St Trina like wow. I wonder if miquella really cared about his sister or just was using her.
Elden ring lore with stardew music in the background? This is the best video ever!
The rebis as a design inspiration is so obvious in retrospect. Hadn't heard of this before, but after looking it up Marika is, if nothing else, literally color-coded as a rebis; the "white queen" and "red king" being Marika and Radagon, respectively. Neat!
My prediction is at the end we will fight miquella and as he dies he will turn into ELDEN JOHN, he will get up and say "it was me! All along elden JOHN!" then 3 butterflies will come rescue him and he will shrink down into 3 tiny elden johns and fly as away laughing in a tiny voice!
we do not care about the editing quelagg!! its already amazing to listen to your analysis doesn't matter how it is presented. Keep on pls
Yeeea Quelaag vid! Here comes the real Butterfly Theory! xD
I’ve been also thinking again about the relationship between characters with missing/shut/marked eyes and their ability or connection with transitioning between real and spirit/divine realms. This seems to be a thing also in other Souls games, like Sekiro who receives an eye/face mark after resurrecting for the first time, and the Divine Dragon itself has a wounded eye too.
she's back!
I don't really believe Miquella to be the Gloam Eyed Queen, but i do like the idea that he met her somehow or maybe a different version of her? Also with Miquella being Melina thing, i believe that maybe it COULD be like Radagon and Marika(remember when Marika said "Oh Radagan, thou are yet to become me"). Love the video and loved to be here for the livestream where you brainstormed the theories!
I agree Mango!
My view on that is that it both is and is not the case.
I think all of the Marika x Radagon "children" are literal fragments of Marika. Getting into the whole plant theme, they are what would be called clonal daughters. Because Marika is herself hybridized to some extent, each clonal daughter takes on a mix of the genetic features present. Thus explaining why they aren't all exact clones.
So in that sense Miquella is Melina, the Gloam Eyed Queen, Malenia and Messmer. They're all each other because they're all Marika. Just different parts of her. It's possible that all of the Walking Mausoleum children are failed clonal daughters too. Why or how they failed is uncertain but it could explain why there are so many of them yet none of them appear to have any presence in the history of the Lands Between.
The Marika we find in the tree is just a soulless husk. A vessel for the Ring that was long ago abandoned to rot.
@@rainbowkrampusthe issue here is whether or not Melina is a fragment of Marika - I’d argue not but rather a spirit of the GEQ that is trapped given her jail cell
@@quelaag Personally I think GEQ was always Marika. Not a fragment or anything but an alias. Thus, Melina appears to have GEQ-like characteristics because she's the clonal daughter that adopted those characteristics.
Of note, it's never explicitly stated that GEQ was killed. The Godskins were defeated. Given the way things currently look, I think Marika as GEQ abandoned the Godskins. Probably in yet another bid to wrest some control of her life back from the whole "being a god actually sucks hard and is literally a gilded prison" thing.
I get that it seems a bit silly thinking about how many characters were actually just Marika under my model. Starts reading like an Eddie Murphy movie. But then, she's a trickster god. Taking on different identities is kinda her thing. I also think she's the "fled dragon god", just to add even more to the absurdity.
I liken it to just how many pies Gwyn had his fingers in back in Dark Souls. That dude was everywhere before he went hollow and literally everything in those games stems from some machination of his in the past. I think Marika follows that same pattern of being the root cause for the state of the world as we find it, only even more amplified, possibly.
@@rainbowkrampus Godslayer sword: Sacred sword of the Gloam-Eyed Queen who controlled the
Godskin Apostles before her defeat at the hands of Maliketh.
The black flames wielded by the apostles are channeled from this
sword.
This videos for me!!!!
This is some of my fav video content!
Also congrats on the move, that shit takes a lot of work.
Bet you didn’t expect them to just add a new kind of butterfly for Messmer lol
This is a great video. Loved the bit showing how Malenia is staying connected to Miquella through sleep
Been watching your videos since the channel started over ten years ago and you're definitely my favorite Soulsborne lore expert. Can't wait to play the DLC and listen to your interpretations of it.
Ill be streaming it both on youtube and Twitch :> !
Your Elden Ring lore videos are amazing. Can't wait for the DLC to drop so I can watch more!
This is a great "quick rundown" of everything talked about during the streams lol
When you said bubble boys it made me think of the envoys and oracles that we see when we first enter leyndell and the haligtree but then you said in the River depths And that made me realize you're talking about the Clay men it's probably not the best idea to just refer to them as the bubble boys seeing as we have two sets of bubble boys with no clear connection
"So many people are other people." When your family tree is an Escher painting inspired by Hieronymus Bosh.
Also no one talking about my man Messmer being a lefty when Artorias and Ivory King got all the attention.
There's always a left handed main 'tagonist in the DLC's 🧐
The rune in crumbling FA is Elden John's beard. It's glowing which is why you can't see it clearly.
space butterfly, space butterfly
It's been a hot minute since I've heard that reference.
Great video! agree abt the intentional vagueness meant to drive speculation for engagement but also how that is one of the most fun times for one’s imagination and detective hat before we start getting answers
So glad you were able to move! Hope you can make more vids like this. Love the way you put the events together and share them!
Seeing your roommate walk past you while you rambled like a madwoman really woke me up from the world of Elden Ring and reminded me you are a flesh and blood human being who knows and researches this this for us.
Thank you.
ELDEN JOHN sounds like such a meme lol. love to watch this video.
Oh, so this is The Video of All Time (nice) ((seriously tho thank you for all your lore rambles!))
Conspiracy board time!
Not just Miyazaki but from in general reusing concepts to give visual short hand info as well as easter eggs to their players has always been something I admired. Like how the final boss in so many AC games is often a transforming mech like Nineball Seraph.
I really wanna know about the flame butterflies to hopefully learn more about the golden order church, that weird haligtree looking minor erdtree and that grave with the guardian mourning in front of flame butterflies.
Elden Ring lore makes me want to plant strawberries so bad holy shi
we love finding the nascent butterflies
Glad you're back Quelaag!!
I can only imagine Miyazaki talking to Martin about writing a game as going like, "Soooo, have you ever read Berserk?"
Those Keep Me Up At Nights keep me up at night. Literally
If ive learned anything from all the different takes on this lore. Its that Miquela, is Melania, is the gloam eyed queen, is mesmer, is radagon, is the furitive pygmy. Im so ready for the DLC.
Keep up the awesome work!
these are my fave kinds of videos, thanks for ur hard work quelaag :)
SO GLAD YOU GOT YOUR CHANNEL BACK
Yo Quelaag, these are my favorite videos. I cannot describe the dopamine hit. Sorry I ain’t on the patrion cost of living crisis n that, but keep up the good work.
This type of in-depth philosophy for pop culture is such an important new cultural practice. Like a modern day spiritual practice. Keep up the good work!
It’s totally okay I don’t want anyone to feel pressured into supporting. I try not to gate too much content behind patreon either
Just as you talked about Melina and her cell - is it known that she is the/a Kindling Maiden? If yes, that totally makes sense why she'd be incarcerated if we consider that Marika ordered to be done about the Flame of Ruin.
The point about Mesmer possibly having the same eyes as Millicent was absolutely fascinating. I hope there are more parallels
You and Sinclair Lore are my favorite FromSoft TH-camrs and a couple of my favs in general
I really liked this old format.. In fact that's because of that that I suscribed back in the days. I really appreciate how everything is structured, and to compare my own theories as you relate, and explain why you think certain things are related or relevant. I think you really did a great job with the one with the metals and the gravity magic.
clicking on a 50 minute lore video and being greeted by a massive mind map is soo funny. you know its gonna cook
genuinely so happy to have such a long video about this from you, so fucking excited!!
We're here! We're waiting for Mesmere!
HYPEHYPEHYPEHYPE
Quelaag Keeps Me Up At Night
Best way to start the day is history hour with Quelaag and Coffee. Thanks for another stellar video
Sometimes we have hard days, and sometimes we get a new long-form Quelaag video ❤
Thank you, Q!!! Imma leave a like before I finish the video!
Hell yeah letsgo we back in class
Also really like the idea that people would use horns to visually represent wings, like, it’s super cool to see how the winged imagery evolves in time
The Regal Ancestor Spirit actually has another mechanic that's easy to miss but is related to the cycle of death and rebirth: During the fight, it occasionally does its death animation and reappears somewhere else. When it does this, it's actually reappearing from the corpse of one of the animal spirits wandering the arena, and it gains a new ability on each rebirth depending on the animal it kills - a deer will grant it a new horn attack, a goat will allow it to do that silly roll attack that the rams do, and the rabbits will cause it to jump around on its hind legs.
Watching this massive deer god hop around on its back legs and roll across the arena gave me quite the scare on my first time through!
Excited and scared at the possibility of the DLC adding an entirely new faction like Mike's temple of the Starved Star beast or something.
MIKES TEMPLE HELP??????????????? LMFAOOOOOOOOO
Mike, leader of the star fire boys, weaver of the firmament or something
I'm starting to think you don't get any sleep at all.
Im not sure if this has been brought up before, but the references you made at the beginning to the 'shattering' of souls and then them sort of reforming into different characters, as well as the references to Babylonian, norse and Jerusalem makes me want to connect some of the elden ring lore to The Baal Cycle (a really old poem I think?) and really to the legacy of Baal in the cananite religion. From what I understand, Baal, under the cananite religion was the king of the gods and a god of the sky and rain (and thus like crop fertility) who in the poem at least hunts down his brothers (the god of the sea and god of the underworld) in order to take the throne ascend to the throne from his father Yahweh, dies in the process and is revived I think. Anyway there are a TON of connections from Baal to a bunch of other religions, like greek myth for example specifically Zeus. From one of my professors (Dr. Richard Medina) I believe he said that Zeus is actually a combination of Baal and Yahweh, and also similarly the Abrahamic god. I think its also really cool the similarity that exists between the catholic trinity and the story of the Baal Cycle. In norse religion too Baldur seems to come from Baal in the small amount of research I have done. It's also really interesting how the group who wrote the dead sea scrolls turned Baal into a demon in their religious practice and I believe they descended from a group called the cult of Yahweh who originally split off from the Canaanites. I haven't studied the elden ring lore too deeply, but I think there might be some connection? I really need to get more sleep...
This is my favorite retelling of the story: th-cam.com/video/XqE08Cpb0s0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=QpTLgsyqBXTx13Nn
Miquella is 100% my favourite Fromsoft character. I even have my own theory as to why Miquella planted the Haligtree. I'm currently writing it all out on a google doc as I want to post it somewhere, but I'm not sure where. A part of me wants to just post it in the Elden Ring subreddit, but another part wants to make a TH-cam video. This is my first time properly writing out a FromSoft theory, but I'm super excited about it and, like Tim Diggity, I'm almost certain that I'm right. All I know is that I'm going to post it once I have the theory properly written down!
Babe, wake up. Quelaag just dropped new lore vid and it’s an hour long.
See this is what history class should have been. The history teacher should have just made a picture board of the entire history book from the jump and gave us multiple scatter brained lessons with it. Im 1000% here for this
I feel like the new kid in class that missed the first two classes and i am so excited to catch up
I like how in the Elden Ring depiction in Farum Azula, there’s a shape that looks like Miquella’s needle in the center-or at least it’s that kind of double helix shape for the Haligtree. Also lol @ “Bubble-onian”
On the topic of the butterflies, I believe vaati said he found a butterfly linked to Messmer when he played those 3 hours, so I believe the smoldering butterfly is absolutely tied Melina
Amazing stuff, I wish this was longer! LOL
Back again on my lunch break and want to add a few more tidbits to the monster that is Elden Ring’s lore and history.
The ancestral spirit horn description single handedly altered my perspective on the cycle of life and death and what certain historical events were. There is an interesting use of the term “primordial” in regards to the crucible in the description. Something I can’t recall ever being associated with the crucible more closely associated with the Erdtree and it’s constituent great trees. Which has had me scratching my head ever since I first read that item description all the way back in 2022. But now I think the connection is more clear with Shadow of the Erdtree.
The Shadow Lands are almost 100% the “afterlife” of the lands between, and the place Marika sealed away and prevented others from traversing to by sealing Destined Death and forcing all into Erdtree rebirth. Tarnished Archaeologists recent videos on the shadow lands are pretty interesting in regards to the connection between the shadow lands and cremation and the “fog” that all tarnished cross to enter the lands between. Perhaps if the shadow lands are the lands of death and rebirth tied to the natural cycle of death and rebirth, one that lies closely to the nature of the ancestral spirits and their followers. “Death springs from life.” And it seems to be so with out tarnished, dead in the lands between but alive in the shadow lands, awaiting their time of death within this shadow land to be cremated again, to rise as “fog” and return to the lands between.
Which makes me believe the shadow lands are in fact this “primordial crucible”. The crucible as we know it was the era after the death of the previous world tree before the Erdtree, and the competition between the various seedling world trees that were most likely dispersed across the lands between just as we see with the minor erdtrees in game. Perhaps the power of the primordial crucible is made manifest in the lands between via the world tree. It’s able to release offspring of itself in death, and thus spring forth new life. Which somewhat answers or at least leads towards my previous suggestion of the Erdtree being capable of communing with both the stars and the underworld, and is seemingly the central connecting point between all of these realms of existence.
I’ve seen a lot of people changing up and becoming massive supporters of Miquella being Melina and there’s definitely evidence to suggest so. But I would like to believe George R.R Martin is gonna get his time to shine, and we will see the true plotting and scheming nature of the players within the lands between and their “Game of Thrones”.
I believe the Formless Mother resides in the shadow lands, as some sort of overarching entity or concept made flesh like the Elden Beast as the manifestation of the concept of order. I believe this entity has desires that reach far beyond our current comprehension of the games lore. I personally believe the true “Gods” of Elden Ring are not the demigods or even the eternal queen herself or any of her descendants. But instead the solar bodies and the void of space itself are the true gods of the world. I do believe Godfrey’s cut dialogue, albeit cut, suggests heavily that the Greater Will does in fact have some sort of hierarchical rule over other solar bodies, “the lord of the very stars above” he calls it. Perhaps this is George making an ASOIAF type convention of leaving the truth as totally imperceptible. It’s totally possible to believe the sun as the lord of the stars even if it is just a lifeless ball of fire that gives life and death to all around it. But considering the nature of the outer gods and to me at least, explicit evidence of the Greater Will’s sentience. The fingers and their oration through golden light, the deliverance of the star bearing the beast may have been accidentally called down by the divine towers. It may also have been convenient for the greater will to hide its true intentions.
George also has a similar use of sentient solar body gods in ASOIAF. The “Maiden made of light” and the “lion of night” who represent the sun and moon, and their “god on earth” child who was literally sent to the earth from space, in a pearl palanquin carried by his many wives. Which is definitely unique when compared to the Elden Beasts arrival but has an extremely similar framework.
So if the heavens contain godly solar bodies impacting the lands between with an impossible to comprehend touch, perhaps the gods of the underworld are vying for this cosmic power and lordship. I even question if the shadow lands are in fact both a place of afterlife and rebirth, and a place of ascendancy. Miquella is confirmed to be in the shadow lands. Perhaps when he entered the cocoon he was taken to the land of shadow not to merely live a second life, because he never truly died. But instead this cocooning allows one to become a higher entity than they were before. If the Numen and Queen Marika are from these shadow lands, it would explain why the Numen are so powerful, and why Marika is seemingly a god on Earth.
So we have Miquella going to the shadow lands to become similar to Marika, perhaps even greater given the constant reminders of this great power and potential Miqeulla has. If the formless mother is the “greater will” in a sense of the shadow lands, I think it makes perfect sense that this god of the underworld aspires to use Miquella to steal his ascension and force him into her former position. How this plan would work is by manipulating various characters across history and both in the lands between and the shadow lands.
This could be entirely wrong and now it’s total speculation. But I do believe Messmer to be the child of the old order, the one usurped by Marika, and like Mohg, the formless mother manipulates his desires of power and vengeance to gain power and sway.
“The mother of truth desires a wound.”