Destiny Debates Trans Issues At The University Of Tennesse
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- DEBATE: Destiny debates trans issues at the University of Tennessee against Elijah Schaffer
Date: 4 May, 2022
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bro where do i see when you come to tennessee i swear you've been here twice and i havent seen ya
Wait...! Did *Schaffer* call Someone Else stupid? That's Ironic
Enjoyed this conversation. I’m always confused by the lack of intelligence displayed in your live chats as compared to that displayed by you and your counterparts. One would think conversations above their heads would cause disinterest yet that is not the case here. How do you draw and hold the attention of people in this way?
Destiny looks like a freshly released hostage who has just come out of a cell in Iraq.
He was being held in Dagbad by Dal Kaeda.
The Daliban released him on the condition there be no League for 1 week.
Somehow also looks like the guy who *put* him in the Iraqi prison cell.
@@Vasto--Lord Destiny is a little taller.
@Um Dulo i think it's just insecurities
I mean this is certainly a debate that reminds us of the gap that still exists between social media and the real world
It's narrowing.
@@sirondium It depends on where you are
@@sirondium "I'm a chair if I say I am"
what do you mean?
@@xavi.cat.4095 ahahah
Why are we not getting the time stamps anymore? I liked the ability to jump around or go back to older vids to rewatch certain topics.
Right, you can't get us used to that then release 3hr videos with no timestamps and 20 minute opening statements am gonna lose it!!!!
August is getting lazy because there's so little content we'll sit here watching this shit for the 3rd time even without timestamps
I think timestamps are usually added after publishing, so they should come a bit later
Last I saw the timestamps weren’t working, but that was over a week ago.
I think August is giving us the finger
times are tough after the twitch ban, had to tell the editor to do less work so he pays less. i’m right and whoever disagrees is wrong and foolish
didn’t collect $200, didn’t pass go, went directly into my feed
it’s weird how youtube’s promoting destiny considering how controversial he is. i say this because i got a push notification for this vid without even having them enabled
@@kanebri your youtube noftications enabled
@@Tawhiri yeah, not push notifs for destiny’s channel.
Directly in my feed is a Destiny name
He is only controversial to the terminally on left
He keeps it real. I am actually excited of the depth of questions. Good showing Destiny! You will never see this in online debate - can't ape out in RL without catching flak.
Unless you're haz
@@tclax27 It took me a really long time to learn that Haz isn’t just a character. Learning that made me so sad and so happy.
I really enjoyed this. Nobody is over talking or using the word “fucking” like a filler. This should be on television
@@dejue DM left the chat
@@dejue it's the same panel where destiny debated that "Not saying Russia is right but the war is kinda justified" person.
I do agree the overall debate was very cordial though. I like it that way if there is actual substance. For twitch debates I don't care since it's polit entertainment without substance anyways.
Elijah during the debate: I am glad that you can understand my perspective, and I think maybe we need to medicalize this issue a bit more so that we are making the most responsible decisions possible.
Elijah during closing arguments: Listen up, fellow God-fearing Whites. We are under attack, and the crusade is at hand.
My dude waited until the back and forth was over to signal his actual positions, truly a sneaky debate tactic.
i thought you were exaggerating but holy fuck😭
@@maneskinned I mean it is an exaggeration at the very least….
Just say everyone but you is wrong....
@@toxicwaltz0863 True.
yeah he tried so hard to hide his ben shapiro inside
There isn't a silver bullet argument that will change these people's minds, they will just jump from one reactionary concern to another. Politics is work. Destiny did a good job staying calm and on topic.
Destiny is literally a reactionary
@@cryptocaesar8972 what? Do you know what reactionary means lol?
It doesn't literally mean "reacts to criticism" you know...
elijah did better this time, not dancing around questions, but ultimately destiny did better, his answers were more to the point, more practical, and less speculative
@@PuddingXXL He doesn’t react to “criticism” he reacts to any hot topic of the day. He’s a reactionary. Often quite uneducated on the topic, people want his take on literally every given relevant thing of the day.
@@kevinmcdonald6560 Destiny’s premise on this topic is solely based largely in opinion, for example when the topic of post transition suicide comes up, Destiny pointed out the fire truck and a house on fire scenario, that the people who full transition are likely to be so gender dysphoric you’d expect the suicide rate to be higher because they’re dealing with the worst mental issues. Okay so the data on whether full transitioning is actually that helpful is still unclear. The whole point about that part of the debate is that the data here is quite shoddy.
Steven looking significantly bigger than couple years ago.
By no means is he “jacked” or “huge” (neither am I) but he’s made lots of progress, he looks healthier and better all around
I love the fact that he now watches channels like More Plates More Dates.
@@TheAbsoluteSir And Mike Israetel, who along with Jeff Nippard, was the main guy I listened to.
Guess it's cause he red pilled now
Nobody is worth watching except Rick fucking bugez. Science is great and all when it comes to lifting, but at some point you have to lay down the books and start actually lifting. way too many people get paralysis by analysis when it comes to lifting.
Looks like a young Zizek
Steven "Destiny" Kenneth Bonnell, also known as: Miss wrinkles, no drip Steve, sweat pants Esteban, the cuban coomah, zero shirts ironed/zero L's taken and many more!
Hahaha, this is great
Lmao awesome post.
Okay I have a question why do people do that like saying the first name then the youtuber name then the rest of the name.
Your comment just randomly reminded me I wanted to know this but I don’t know how to google this question. Is it just like a grammar thing cause everyone news media article sites do it.
@@Hayden_Cat That's just the standard format for nicknames, and since that's basically what internet usernames are, that's what we use. Unless you're asking *why* that's the standard format, in which case idk, ask the guy who invented English
@@jasonkunstmann327 ohhh that makes sense thanks for explaining, have a great day :D
I think Destiny must have just missed it when he said this, but I was absolutely floored that Elijah's response to the question of how to rise up against the "evil" of medical transgender care was that "violence without a strategy" was bad, carrying the obvious implication that violence *with* a strategy could be acceptable.
That's more just a bad faith assumption you're making there and that's where a lot of misunderstandings happen. Destiny likely did hear that, he's not perfect but he's not an idiot either. He just wasn't going to assume the worst in someone and start making baseless accusations
@@quin3578 Uhm, bad faith? Starting just after 1:06:08, his exact words:
"As you saw from January 6th, violence or physical force without a proper strategy or plan is not a war. It ends up making you a honeypot. You end up being part of a target, and you end up paying the price for it."
This immediately followed him referring to SRS surgeries as mutilation (which he specifically condemned for adults earlier in the discussion), and speaking of a need for revolution in the courts, with the only other alternative being violence.
Is it possible he didn't understand the necessary conclusions of his statements, that violence with a strategy could be justified, and if the revolution through the courts fails, then that violence might be necessary? Yes, that's possible. But he should have ideally been pressed to question whether he was willing to fully own the position he expressed. I think Destiny was probably just preoccupied with preparing the delivery of his circumcision comment (which I did think was very appropriate and well-made).
@cazcow Again, you're just making a bad faith assumption and you're cutting out the full context of what he's saying. You basically just saying "He said strategy so he must mean STRATEGIC VIOLENCE!" when the only one making that claim is you. You start from 1:05:08 and the strategy he's talking about is people coming together to push their newest bill to LEGALLY label those surgeries as abuse. How about you link the time stamp where he recommends some kind of revolution or even uses the word?
He clearly called anyone willing to commit to violence "honeypots", aka attractive political targets to further one's own agenda and arguments. In other words, I would go so far as to say he denounced such a thing as something that isn't a good idea and it would just be used against you. "You end up paying the price for it" as in it would just end badly for everyone involved. When he said strategy was necessary, I fully believe he was talking about the legal route that people were taking.
Should he have been pressed to clarify his position to those who didn't understand? Sure if there's anyone in the audience not understanding him because that's what this whole conversation is for. Should he have formulated his words better? Honestly yea, but it can't be easy to speak in public like this in the first place and stay 100% comprehensible 100% of the time. Should we conclude that he absolutely meant violence was a necessary outcome when he basically called anyone who did attractive political targets who would probably pay the price? Absolutely not unless you just want to believe the worst in someone's view point in a conversation aka "bad faith"
Destiny is clearly sitting there listening to him but I doubt he'd come to the same extreme conclusion you're jumping towards but apparently he's just not listening since he's not hearing things the same way you are. People like you are the issue when it comes to conversations like this because you take people out of context, knowingly or not, because they didn't "word things perfectly" in your mind or you're trying your hardest to find fault instead of trying to find understanding.
@@quin3578 The question that prompts his comments about revolution and violence starts at 1:02:30. Listen again but more carefully this time. There's no additional context to save him.
I'm curious, are you a Destiny fan who's mistaking my comment for an attack on him or an Elijah fan desperately trying to help him save face?
@@cazcow "If you believe something is rigged, cheated or stolen, I would say that does leave leeway for a revolution." What about that is wrong? I would expect that from any american on either side of the aisle? No one in the country would sit there and be fine with ANYTHING they came to believe was a crime or abuse against the whole of the nation. He also clearly stated it as a possible consequence of such a thing happening. He also said that such actions aren't well thought out as opposed to supporting such things. Are YOU listening? You were right about one thing, there's no additional context to save him because its not even needed. Thats a very clear and cut truth about any nation where the people decide who is in charge.
Also, there is a clear difference between saying that and actively calling for violence so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Also I'm hardly a fan of either one, doesn't mean i don't pay attention from time to tiem. You can try to label me or place me on one side or the other in the absence of a valid argument in order to try to lessen what I'm saying, but that's just kind of typical of people on the internet these days and fully expected at this point.
Nice of the college to invite that homeless man to speak to their students.
I thought it was an homeless non-binary ex-hostage. Yes it is nice of them.
@54:34 so a “homosexual interaction” before puberty doesn’t turn them gay, but a teacher mentioning an author is gay is problematic because..?
Because it turns them gay.
Edit: is exactly what he is implying is happening but he won’t say it out loud.
I imagine it would depend on the context, same as the "homosexual interaction".
Theres something soothing about the black hoodie/sweatpants/extra on the set of Mr. Robot look, but I don’t know how to feel about this new un-ironed off white t-shirt, it’s a little unsettling to say the least.
Looks like one of my years old white tees.
Destiny did a pretty good job here! Overall there were 1 or 2 points that could’ve been a lot stronger (i.e. there’s a pretty obvious flaw in the one and only study claiming rapid onset gender dysphoria because it was an incompetent study that literally only interviewed the parents of trans kids, and gets constantly used incorrectly anyway)
but on the whole this was a solid debate
Very interested to watch this, as destiny told me about this during our debate. I hope he did well!
"When people cannot agree, it creates social division." What a bright and novel insight that is definitely specifically relevant to debates on Transgender topics and obviously helps illuminate new and important facets of the discourse. Thank you.
Also, way to go full mask off there. "Disagreement should not be tolerated in society since it will always erode it. Just submit to the current paradigm, it'll make everything better. Never change. Never progress."
That's Conservatism for you. Either nothing in society is allowed to change or in even more extreme circumstances, society regresses to fit the comfort of the minority of people holding a disproportionate amount of power.
The Jordan Peterson criterion right there.
Never change anything
Keep everything the same because change is scawy
You mean like you’re expecting 90% of the population to do with your deranged “transgender” politics?
Genuinely curious, where did he he say that? Time stamp?
@@highverbaliq1785 Really depends on what you mean by "deranged transgender politics", doesn't it? Would you care to be a bit more specific and less morally loaded?
"I think if we could brain-scan people and know exactly who is trans and who isn't, this whole conversation becomes way easier"
"well, actually..."
We can identify some people who claim to be trans as having traits that appear to confirm their self reporting. We do not currently have a methodology to classify different types of trans people, ie, the social trans vs. the biological trans as Destiny points out.
So, we can agree that trans people exist, but we cannot quantify how many are trans based on brain biochemistry based on how their brain developed rather then individuals who are trans based on social enticements working with other mental disorders.
It is much more complicated. There are statistical differences, but what are you even implying? If my male brain of todays were to be transplated into female body why should I feel sex dysphoria? You think brain has some determined sex label? Are there also eye colour labels, hair colour labels that may make me feel dysphoric about those features?
I would have been in such a scenario a female with a brain that gives me typical for males features, preferences, personality traits and sex orientation toward females. That is all. Any dysphoria would have been mental problem that should be dealt with not by agreeing to call me a man.
@@hyawill8944 Hey bigot The brain has what's called The Bed Nucleus of the Stria Terminalis. It reflects gender regardless of sex. It is the one gender dimorphic part of the brain. It's also referred to as the BNST.
Get an education. Don't be hateful
thats works with the help of AI in Germany the have a test a program that scans brains.
problem is...Gender is only sozial contruct argument...
the program works only when the program knows what sex the people have..
otherwise it doesnt work....
Problem 2...now the Sex matters..
So the LGBTQ hate the arguments now that import the scaning medical program arguments...
its contradict the sozial construct argument.
so we just dont do time stamped sections in the videos now huh lol great work anyways. love the content.
Very nice of August to include offline DGG chat, great job as always
Do people even read that crap. I don't think I have ever read a streamers chat.
WAIT YOU WERE AT MY SCHOOL? WHAT THE FUCK HOW DID I MISS THIS??
where are the time stampsssss
August is getting complacent.
Is this like a tour? I just saw a couple of days ago destiny vs elijah on ukraine, and here they are again, on another scheduled event discussing on another subject. Do these 2 ever meet outside of schefuled events? Would be interested in seeing them talking at their own pace instead of a debate's pace.
Straight into my feed
52:03 That is genuinely such an interesting point. I really never considered it, damn.
That point has been made ad nauseum, lol, wasn't really interesting at all.
I feel like Elijah’s takes on the education system are painfully naive and privileged. As someone who has taught the past 5 years in Title 1 (majority poverty) schools, you absolutely can’t assume that every child has supportive parents or even parents who care about what their kids learn/do. I think his position is awfully idealistic. Some parents never answer communication from the school. Those are the kids who dread summer break because they would rather be in school with adults who do care. I feel like his position forgets the kids who need public education the most are the kids whose parents can’t or won’t do the work that teachers do for kids.
I find your view on the behavior of teachers naive and biased. How many times have you referred to students assigned to your class as "your kids."
@@jeffmccool5690 My view is certainly biased because I am a teacher, but that also means that I know firsthand about parent communication, reporting child abuse, delivering curriculum in an age appropriate way, etc. I don’t really know what you’re getting at with the “your kids” question. They’re all students at the school, and the ones assigned to me are the kids I’m accountable for during certain hours of the school day.
So because some parents are bad parents, all students need to be instructed on all matters that otherwise would be privately handled were said parents not bad? Kind of an impossible standard, also bolsters Elijah's point about the modern willingness to sacrifice the majority at the altar of boosting minorities
@@jdarling5315 I’m not totally sure what you’re referring to. I think it’s good to tell students that gay, trans, and other kinds of people exist. I’m also totally for parent communication, but my point is more centered around that fact that if action needs to be taken (counseling or therapy) for example, the fact that a parent doesn’t respond to school communication shouldn’t hinder the child from getting the help needed.
@@gurusage142 your point isn't lost on me that parental neglect is damn near endemic. I'm just saying you derive your authority from the state that the parents/citizens voluntarily gave you. A lot of teachers feel they can overstep that authority
That guy at 1:03:00 reminded me of the “when do we use the guns” guy at the Charlie Kirk event….how do these people not see the extremism bubbling in their crowds??
They’ve already convinced themselves hurting people they disagree with is a good thing they’re just waiting for someone to say go
I super disagree with the dude thatasked the question but to me it sounded like a metaphor and not a call for violence at all. I think elijah also misunderstood this.
@@chriswinkler4663 and forgive me for being admittedly uncharitable towards what he said. But using a holy book as justification to push back against political rivals has never had a track record of doing so without peoples rights going away, so fuck em
It's that pure "I'm nothing without mob mentality, lets get a frenzied crowd together and just go DO SOMETHING, HELL YEAH BROTHER!" energy that the Capitol rioters and trucker convoy people have. All anger and no actual plan, just "we are a loud group of people who are angry, yeah!".
Kinda like antifa? Y’all are so unaware of your own radical side.
@Jacob Good Unironically yes.
Best way for parents to influence their kids is to have the kids respect and admiration. NOT ABSOLUTE Control!
Why is the guy from smosh pretending to be destiny?
wtf that first question was so mask of. The guy is basically saying "when are we admitting we cant win over the lefties with arguments and whip out our guns?" Really shows that they in truth do believe im might makes right above all else, and certainly above liberalism. That is also the exact opposite of what peterson meant with the meak schall inherit the earth thing. As much as i feel strange about him, peterson is not a caveman, he means it as an endorsement of pacificm and being physically in shape, not as "if you start loosing a debate, escalate to violence"
Something that destiny should have jumped on more was this dude's blatant biases when researching. "Problems with puberty blockers" is not a way to start researching something you don't understand...
It's A way to *start* researching.
It's only a problem if that's ALL you do.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor sure sure I just feel like that thought train can get you into trouble if you're going into the research process with that much stock in your hypothesis. I feel like that hypothesis stage should make you feel big but the research process should remind you how small you are. The more you know the more you realize you don't, you know? It reminded me a lot of when I was a teenage Christian battling my faith and I would try to watch videos of people "rationing" atheists as means to make me feel better about the cognitive dissonance in my head. It wasn't research it was a shallow attempt at validating and easing my mind. If you want to find something, you can find it. I also for brief moments started to gravitate towards ideas such as intelligent design, but that was because it's what was available to counter all of the emerging atheist rhetoric being propagated by the notorious four horsemen. (What an era...)
All that to say you're right but I would add a few things
@@TheSubtleArt
Looking up "debunking atheism" is great research because you realize how full of shit religious people are.
I guess if you're stupid or bad faith, you can "find proof of anything", but a smarter person can make value judgements about the validity of evidence. There's nothing wrong with looking up "negatives of _____" in order to find out negatives of something.
That’s called a hypothesis buddy
You can’t negate research because of the hypothesis, that has no standing on the results of the research
The guy on the other side seemed so rational, how tf did that change so quickly? wtf
Watching Elijah debate and the reading his tweets is like night and day. I can’t tell if he’s insane or just acts insane outside of these debates
@@stevejones5075 twitter is all about shit posting to generate impressions
@@stevejones5075 don't take anything seriously on twitter
You are delusional. I don’t think what His answer to the lesbian woman would count as “rational”. (Although I’d agree a lot of lefties are crazy. But the right is often just as crazy)
@@wynterac Let me get this straight. You are calling me delusional based on my opinion of somebodys words over an undefined amount of time that i never specified. You need help my friend.
Thank the fucking lord destiny is going out there
Speaking to crazy teachers. In my life I had a holocaust survivor tell us vivid stories of being in concentration camps where she would break down crying for long periods and us just sitting there awkwardly. Another teach us to make deadly weapons out of the rigid tops from open cans. Then another who threatened to bash my head into a desk and stabbed another kid in the hand w a staple. Oh, I also had that teacher that got fired for calling military ppl our lowest of our low. He was incidentally a great teacher that wanted all his students to succeed.
@@Sampsonoff Product of LAUSD. That Holocaust teacher was my 4th grade teacher. That's not even getting into all the child predators and one that married a student and still works at that highschool. 😂😂😂
Great debate :)
I DIDN'T EXPECT OUR SURPRISE GUEST ACTUALLY SHOWING HIS FACE AT THE END...SHOUTOUT TO BIG HOMIE.
Flamenco?
Ugh this guy went ahead and either lied or spouted ignorance the moment puberty blockers came up. One year of therapy? Oh no sir you have to go through more than that to get puberty blockers. Disingenuousness is what he is
Who cares how long 😂😂😂 keep grasping at straws
@@asz4928 lolwut
Props to channel 5 for the moderation
Very cordial. Great to see it.
The sound that plays in the start of these videos is great
I fucking hate the 'Oh they're killing themselves, we want them to live longer' argument, like that's what they care about. I would be genuinely shocked if this guy wouldn't just prefer that I was dead.
Idk do you want to die ?
So what's the alternative? You'd rather him skirt around the issue and not talk about it at all despite being relevant to the conversation at hand and the point being made? You can be uncomfortable with it all you want but it's a debate so both parties have points to make.
@@wanderingwobb6300 No I'd like him to be honest about his reasoning rather than the "We do it because we love them." angle.
Lowering suicide rates comes through acceptance and normalisation, not treating us like we're sick. I don't want the world to bend over backwards, just to make sure I have the same rights as everyone else and leave me alone.
@@Rainy_x sounds like a you issue
When exactly did conservatives decide any expression or allusion to one's sexuality is "graphic sexuality" and "child abuse". I'm starting to think you're all purposely trying to be disingenuous, because you can't all possibly be this stupid and dense. I've lived for 25 years and I there's not a day that's gone by that someone in someway expressed their sexuality one way or another. Every piece of media I've seen from my favorite kids movies in the 90s to middle school action movies, to everything today has a reference, depiction or allusion to sexuality. Almost every teacher I've know has at some point mentioned their partner, talked about them in length or at least reference them. In elementary school, some even had their spouse come to help with events and parties. For you people to start labeling all this as "grooming" and "perversion" just because you hate gays, is sad and truly pathetic. You're literally watering down these words and downplaying then for your own political gain. And to me, that is sick af. He thinks "lightyear" is the 1st Disney product to have a kiss in it?! Gtfo
Christian Conservatives have been pearl clutching about sexuality since - literally - the medieval era.
I'm curious: have you seen that leaked Zoom meeting with various Disney executives where they said in fairly clear terms they were pushing an agenda with the sexualization of children?
Here's a link, if you're unfamiliar: th-cam.com/video/ca_ysEG-8iQ/w-d-xo.html
Nice strawman. Thanks for wasting my time
What a disingenuous comment. Nobody is saying that, nobody is suggesting that, nobody in this video said that, nobody in this video suggested that.
@@Shadowh8ter So you agree talking to kids in school about lgbt issues is not grooming, got it.
Hit a new PR on my bench press to this debate
thank you august 🙏
People who are pro-circumcision deserve to be publicly debunked in the open marketplace of ideas.
Based. All mutilation is wrong.
So most women?
Destiny is a name
I know you're busy, but timestamps pleaseeeee
50:20 what is he talking about? can anyone help me? I typed in problems with puberty blockers and I did get articles and links about negative effects of blockers? Google in Sweden is diffrent or what?
I agree w most of what Destiny says about Trans and sports. But high-school is important when it comes to competition and getting scholarships also.
Sure, but those scholarships are based on scouts, not purely win %. A scout can determine how skillful someone is or how much potential they have regardless of win %. That’s why people on high school teams that suck can still get scholarships.
Why aren’t you more shocked that people compete to get an education… why can’t everyone just have the access to that education without the whole hunger games shit.
Sure But if trans women were banned from high level competition they wouldn't get scout or get scholarships in high school since they can't compete anyway
You're saying this as if scouts wouldn't have any already existing biases against Trans individuals. Furthermore, it's not guaranteed that even the best Trans athlete (which maybe 1 out of maybe 4 Trans individuals in an entire school district alone) will be chosen out of hundreds or thousands of cisgender athletes in the same district. This new layer of Trans-panic is really ridiculous and overblown.
High school aged sports sure. But sports at the high school, not in most places. Competitive athletes play their sports outside of school and compete all year around. I would assume that he would also argue that these leagues should remain sex separated as well.
For everyone criticizing Destiny's wardrobe: you realize this is another "debate tactic", right? He's being put on stage alongside people who are all dressed up. They are equals. Destiny's ideas are so impactful that he doesn't need to have a front. He can start a debate with the appearance disadvantage and still come out ahead. And every time he dunks on his opposition, the people who support his opponent will go "man, you lost to a guy looking like that? Maybe you're not so good..."
you are reading way too hard into this
^ falling for the copy pasta
Destiny should debate from a trash can like the grouch that will really throw off his opponent
Should've brought some tactical pizza.
@@cdubsb3831 … with a Big Gulp of Mountain Dew reload.
and for a second i thought you talked to ben shapiro. id pay to see that
Good talk
No timestamps smh
You were a bad president
i just started the Q&A, but I just wanted to say if I think about it, I can think of several points destiny made during the "debate", however I can't think of a single fucking thing Elijah added to this conversation, what he did could only be described as professionally polite concern trolling
I dont like this guy, he doesnt add anything to the conversation no would he have spicy takes on anything, what is the point then, this is simply a marketing stunt to gain more name recognition
What are these numbers about the desistance rates? Last I heard it was 70% desistance for u12 and 2% desistance for 12-18
Jesus Christ, I had to watch this video on 1:00 speed for the first time in ages
This video actually gives me hope. These college students all seem reasonable and able to have difficult discussions without having emotional reactions, even when they’re talking to someone who they most likely disagree with, or with someone who might believe something that negative impacts them on a personal level. If any of you kids are reading this comment, well done. Please try to have a positive influence on some of your more hyperbolic peers.
As someone who's a "young person" who doesn't really get emotional about this, people who do get very emotional are allowed to do so. It doesn't make their position less valid simply because they might get emotional about it. This is people's entire livelihood and identity on the line. Of course folks get emotional. And honestly, the end goal of people who oppose trans rights is unconcerned with how "emotional" people get about the topic. They're still our ideological enemies. Being civil and stoic about it doesn't change that.
@@bromo8874 You are allowed to do anything, but getting emotional generally comes with 'I think you're transphobe because you disagree with me'.
@@bromo8874 🙄
I don't have a personal conclusion about this debate and its various aspects, but I do have some ideas, doubts, and things I wonder about. When I was a kid, I was a very soft, shy, impressionable, "pretty" boy, and was often teased for looking "girlish" (often by girls). Thing is, I was also very "boyish" in most others ways, like personality, mannerisms and interests, etc. I didn't like the teasing, and it did effect my confidence greatly, but as I grew older and my peers got to know me, the teasing generally lessened more and more. My looks later even became a bit of an asset during high school.
My point, though, or at least, what I'm wondering, is this - Would I have grown up/been influenced differently in this day and age (& by teachers even)? Ie. Is there an increased portion of kids these days who have become doubtful of their gender and/or sexuality simply _because_ of this major societal trend and focus on gender awareness/issues/politics? Ie. Could this, at least in part, be a root cause of so-called "gender dysphoria"?
These are purely hypothetical questions of course, and not meant to offend. I realize my experience growing up is but one of a multitude. But I have to wonder how common it is that kids are swayed by "outward influence" rather than sticking their own knowledge of themselves and personal sense of identity. I fully realize that there are a certain percentage of people who are legitimately who/what they think they are, being an integral knowledge/feeling that they have had since birth. But there are also many kids, I think, like I was, that may "appear" one way early on, but as they grow, their (personally-chosen) identity becomes clear/understood. Or it may never be clear to them, because they're just very complex. Or they may be changeable.
I think all parties should be very aware of this when discussing transitioning in kids. Otherwise it'll likely just add to the increase in depression and dysphoria.
The horror music during the intro of these videos needs to stop. It sounds like I'm watching Jaws or something
The text on the thumbnail is not the best and is misleading. Great talk though!
I feel like Elijah was more interested in getting his talking points out than addressing Dest's points, and Dest didn't want to challenge him on any of those for some reason.
This is obvious if you listen to the closing statements. zero common ground found. both debater just return to their base issue but no reference to the other debater's disagreements
Well of course, he's a disingenuous conservative. That's what they do
If you listened to their debate on the russia ukraine conflict a similar thing happens. It seems like Elijah is not interested in discussing the topic but to present his views in the best light possible instead. No exploration was done in either of these two debates but this one was especially boring. The moderator is to blame for this too i feel like because I at least got the feeling that he tried to rush destiny and elijah through all the topics he wanted them to discuss. In the end they basically only got to state their positions. As a person thats in love with free speech the moderator should know that the real value of free speech likely doesnt lie in expressing ones opinion freely but in the dialogue that is enabled when everyone can speak their beliefs.
@@chriswinkler4663 oh I agree fully. Though I think the utility in debate is challenging ideas for the audience. Planting seeds of doubt to induce cognitive dissonance around their ideas, make them unsure
@@ashtonshephard3852 Thats a good way of viewing debate.
@@chriswinkler4663 well yes, but at the same time I condemn Elijah for being a mouthpiece for propaganda
Lefty manifesto when? Please, I need this drama in my feed.
Destiny was at Tennessee?
i was on campus watching the stream, very weird to be like a block away from destiny lol
"Lack of respect for authority is a national issue"
Absolutely incredible to hear those words from a Jan. 6 insurrectionist!
So is it or not? Or you just like to point out other people’s hypocrisy? Projection?
I like “I have a press pass, so it’s okay to take part in a coup”
@@coryaw95 nobody asked you anything.
@@oldscotty9507 a “coup” lol.
I don’t like Elijah, but I’m pretty sure he’s not an insurrectionist. He was there on behalf of the press and was specifically not prosecuted because of this.
Jesus destiny looking like he is there for the free food
Did the Title get changed?
Nice to see those crazies that were students in 2014 - 2016 era are no longer in the universities.
Schaffer: "Parents are concerned because what is being taught now isn't what was taught 40 yrs ago.."
🤦♀️😂
That's not inherently a bad of laughable statement, the school standards have significantly dropped over time and there are far too many far left activist teachers now
Schaffer in other discussions: "I'm scared because too many foreigners are being taught in the US now."
Dude just doesn't want to adjust. That's all.
@@idahodreams I'll answer for him.
No, there are no specifics on that claim.
@@DurpenHeimer of course there aren't.
He and people like Schaffer are the ones constantly complaining about how education is now just leftist indoctrination now. I've suffered through many of his podcasts and even followed his twitter for a while to give him a fair shot.
What in the world do these people know about elite US colleges besides what people like Schaffer, Crowder, etc have cherry picked for them to watch?
@@blickluke evidence that’s not “there’s accounts on TikTok dedicated to it”? IQ has been steadily rising if you put any stock into that metric. I remember shitty conservative teachers shoving their values down kids throats.
Your values don’t get to be default because they came first. I’ve also not seen any evidence this is a problem. Stupid teachers have always existed and it doesn’t ruin kids by default.
The issue with education I see is a whole ton of parents who grew up apparently being taught they social media posts are “evidence”. The total inability to think demonstrated by destiny’s debate opponent and probably you is the real problem here.
A lack of emotional intelligence and critical thinking skills has allowed this country to be crippled by misinformation and disinformation. Whatever BS your spewing is a red herring.
1:20:13 oh that's what Flamenco looks like
Poor Flamenco didn’t make the thumbnail
Am I going to have to play a drinking game. Everytime he brings up god take a shot.
Hearing Elijah talk about morals has got to be one of the most ironical thing I have ever witnessed. How far will one go to bring pain to other human beings for the sake of their ideology?
A sad reminder of the stupidity us humans can reach.
Why is it immoral to bring pain to others?
Explain how he is bringing pain to to other people
I think you mean "ironic" but I think what you're really trying to say is "hypocritical"?
@@ubberJakerz too much brain thinky for that. Better to just call scary right wing guy bad!
@@kentuckyboy111 "He doesn't accept any and everything said to him by random people so of course he's bringing them pain. Don't you know if someone tells you they're otherkin and you disagree with them they'll kill themselves! He's literally killing people." /s
Elijah isn't straight. His comments on Mrs Incredible SCREAMED overcompensation.
MrGirl told me no one is straight
Check out Elijah's very first slightly offensive videos. He definitely presented himself as a gay man back then.
So what are you homophobic?
If you'd watch his TH-cam show, clearly he's a trans individual himself, who also likes men.
projection much.... way to come out of the closet... @Gertrude_
John Carpenter intro back again
if you squint your eyes it looks like Andrew Callaghan is moderating
Two of my favorite debaters.
Elijah? Favorite debater? Yes. I too love it when someone in a debate lists a bunch of random "studies", not staying on point and ranting about unrelated shit. lol
3:40 "Woman's sport and Male's sport" Destiny hates the word "female"?
TTRUEEE
Nah he hates the word man.
Destiny is a Female’s name.
@@Cagliostro85 Destiny is a female name.
Vaush watched this and did a posture check every 5 mins lmao.
Great debate! Good points on both sides.
Destiny is hilarious wearing what looks like an undershirt to a debate... he is a millionaire... based
@@Sampsonoff I mean billionaires wear shirts and shorts in the office
Done an oopsie August? pepelaugh
I thought the moderator was Andrew Callaghan for a moment
It's his brother Jacob Callaghan
41:45 ah yes doctors never cut off toes. Oh wait if it saves someones life they will in fact cut off your toes
I thought this guy was kind of ok till his closing statement was basically religious conversion therapy
Yo, I was fuckin pissed, it was a full mask-off moment of pray the trans away bullshit.
Elijah’s humor hurt so muchhhhh. Cringe is real.
Almost as cringe as your comment but not quite
Thanks Destiny
Oh fuck, this was at UTK!? Shit, I missed it!
Who told Schaffer that he’s funny? Do people actually laugh at any of his jokes?
Your mom and yes
I think the funniest joke he said was “god is why you’re suicidal”
wow stop attacking comedy
Man. Why can't anyone who has issues with the transgender movement ever just keep it to the actual issues and negative outcomes they see... Why do they always have to stray into judgement calling it mutilation, against gods design and whatever else insane shit is the foundation of their concerns.
Also he does have that "but steel is heavier than feathers" ~ chatter, he does have that look LMAO
What?
Gender surgery is literally mutilation. If you understand the aftermath (having a rotting open wound between your legs that smells like death that needs to be "dilated" daily) you can't say it's anything but mutilation.
You know the guy asking the first question has a JBP shrine in his room
in high school the sports commitment is real, i played soccer at a high level until junior year until it was sacrifice 70 percent of my social life knowing i wouldnt be playing past high school or not make the jv squade much less varsity, i loved soccer and played indoor and adult leagues until 4 or 5 years ago but in high school it is a true life style commitment to play even on a non competitive league wise team.
People identify as all sorts of things as societies become less judgemental. We didn't get a rise in people being gay since the 50s, we've had a reduction in the consequences for admitting you're gay. We've seen the same thing with atheism. In South Africa, you could lose your job for admitting you were an atheist. Now you can say it and it's illegal to discriminate against you, but there hasn't been a massive rise in people who are atheists, just the number who say they are. You can't catch being gay or trans.
but the diagnostic for being trans changes from "needs therapy to establish" up to "if the 8 year old says he's trans, then he's trans". Plus the rise is extremely quick.
@@Kamfrenchie That's not true: the diagnostic has not changed recently. The acceptance of trans people has been rapid, hence the rapid rise in numbers. I mean, ten years ago, trans people weren't on anybody's radar. Now the Republicans have made it a culture war issue, to their detriment. Nothing like starting a fight you ultimately lose.
@@unclescipio3136
erm, i dont think the republicans are going to lose that fight if pro trans side keeps supporting cases like Lia thomas, affirming that claims of identity are enough to be trans, and let's not forget that the first woman admiral is trans, and her answers when asked by rand paul were really not good, no matter which side of the debate you belong to
@@unclescipio3136
It also seems completely bizarre that you could have over 1% of people being trans and requiring surgery, it would have been a condition without any way to alleviate it for thousands of years.
And when acceptance of left handedness came up, it took a long time for left handedness to increase over everyone.
And right now the increase in possible trans happens overwhelmingly with young girl, which lends credence to the idea that most people desist if not affirmed
@@Kamfrenchie Well, for thousands of years, people needed root canals and couldn't get 'em. We've been able to offer trans surgery for way less than a century.
Left-handedness didn't increase. People admitting they were left-handed increased. We still don't completely understand left-handedness, and it's not completely genetic. But in many cultures, there were religious bans against allowing children to use their dominant hands if they were left-handed. Even in my parents' generation, kids were forced to write right-handed by ignorant bigots, as kids are being forced into traditional gender roles right now by the same kind of people.
It is entirely possible that some people think they're trans and aren't, which is why mental health professionals should be involved, but the suicide statistics for trans youth drop off a cliff when they're affirmed, so it's still better to err on the side of caution unless one wants dead children.
Support for trans people is growing very fast, particularly outside of the shrinking Christo-fascist echo chambers, so hopefully all this will just become another thing, like racism, that used to be a problem.
Its nice that we can have debates like this without people storming the place and pulling fire alarms
01:06:50
I agree circumcision is mutilation but I don't think its a specifically christian thing. Its more of a Jewish, Muslim and American thing. Christians in Europe don't do it. What sucks so hard about circumcision is that the person is given no choice in the matter. They just do it.
It should be illegal to mutilate a child. Or anyone for that matter without explicit consent from the victim.
It's actually better for males to be circumcised it reduces their risks of UTI, STI and even cancer by an astronomical amount. The recovery is far better as an infant than for an adult as someone who's had patients get them in adulthood.
@@tiraud105 You’ve been had. There’s literally zero evidence for these claims. It’s just half cock Stockholm syndrome.
@@tiraud105 It is absolutely not an astronomical amount. Not even close. At the end of the day a baby boy cannot even verbally consent to you cutting off the skin at the end of his penis, let alone have the foreknowledge to adequately understand the consequences. If you are performing a permanent procedure on a baby’s genitals without the baby’s consent, you better have an EXTREMELY good reason to do so. The studies are absolutely not even remotely close to that point and are often very conflicting in terms of its potential benefits where you can often just get the same benefits from having proper hygiene, and with there also being risks such as loss of sensitivity and sexual pleasure in the penis. The fact that there are many people who do wish they didn’t have their penis circumcised without their consent as a baby is enough to say that you really should not be performing non consensual permanent and non essential genital operations on baby boys.
@@meltedsnowman9637 holy throw it in Google and find out for yourself before posting word pasta. Circumcision doesn't affect fertility, nor is circumcision generally thought to enhance or detract from sexual pleasure for men or their partners.
It does correspond with decreased risk of cervical cancer for the female as well as that of penile cancer for males. studies show a three- to ten-fold decrease in UTI rates in circumcised boys. The data speaks for itself.
1:14:15 dude. The first guy said an entire Bible quote and you didn't say anything about the length of the question -_-
I think he was referring to his answer but I’m not entirely sure
Funny how the guy says trans people are delusional, trans people know biology it's exactly the part that hurts about gender dysphoria.
Destiny: Maybe even drinking out of the wrong breast..
Vaush talking about this debate: WAIT.
*Takes out ear bud*
Yeah! There was even a point where Destiny claimed you could become trans from birth due to drinking out of the wrong breast!
Destiny ultra-delivered on this one 🙏
Holy fucking shit not a single joke from that guy landed
Destiny’s wardrobe always gives off big dad energy.