IT'S NOT 100% EFFECTIVE - Destiny Clashes w/ Lauren Southern In Live Debate
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- 1v4 DEBATE: Destiny debates covid mandates and vaccines ft. Lauren Southern
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You need a moderator there. You couldn't get a word in edge wise.
Steven, I've recently discovered your content. I am awestruck by your uncanny ability to speak cogently and forcefully in opposition to a wide spectrum of incoherent conspiratorial worldviews. The sheer tenacity and mettle required to wade through the mountains of anti-science rhetoric is, truly, astounding. I commend you for still showing up to these panels and continuously force feeding rational perspectives to the audience and other panelists. My impression is that you're too intelligent, methodical, and concerned about harboring well-evidenced worldviews to platform these people. I think you--on an intrinsic level--deserve to have intellectually stimulating conservations with good-faith and objective interlocutors. Frankly, I think you need a lyceum and not a stage brimming with bat-shit [#zoonosis] absurdity.
If you're ever in the Bay/Palo Alto, I'll buy you beer.
some of these responses are so dumb that I cannot watch any more.
@@atheistmecca971 The one wearing red and yellow is "supposed" to be a moderator... somehow
The “No Shitting Section in a Swimming Pool” is the best non-rape analogy Destiny has ever given
what an absolute banger. followed by the total silence of crowd, which was able to cheer on every conspiracy take.
@@Desdress Myth-informed was created by a conspiracy theorist. Makes sense.
Time stamp next time pls brother just to help out
@@motorhead48067 30:40
@@jamesmcdougal2 It does. A no shitting section in a swimming pool would be pointless if everyone is shitting in it outside of that section. In the same way public health policy is useless if only a small subsection of people practice good health and everyone else does the opposite.
This Destiny guy is out doing the lord's work.
oh shit you watch destiny? really like your stuff! i think it would be interesting if you two had a convo.
Hey, what are you doing here bud?
Didn’t realise you watched Destiny content
Yo it's you!
I can't understand how he subjects himself to this all the time.
Damn didn't think I'll see this lol
When I hear the crowd give a round of applause for every lukewarm virtue signal take one of these women makes it makes me want to weep.
It was the transphobic comment that put the nail in the coffin for me.
@@louisadway1856 What's transphobic?
@@codynoth4183 one of the speakers talk about the current Health Secretary as a "man in a dress" or perhaps a "man in women's clothing". Either way, it was apparent that they were being incredibly bigoted against a transgender woman.
@@louisadway1856 LOL
@@soccerplayer922 what's so funny?
I wish they would have gotten every conservative in the building together and had them all surround Destiny in a circle, screaming whatever policy they think most needs to be championed. In the center he would sit, spinning in an office chair, screaming back at them until his voice gave out and he lost consciousness. It would be the most amazing video ever.
THIS is a great idea, or just a deathmatch. Destiny vs the fucking world
@@Fredisson666 I don't want anyone to die. Just the maximum amount of political pundit insanity possible. Thank you for the reply friend. :D
@@johngleeman8347 Not even some people to die? Cmon, don't lie to yourself.
@@daviddotorg Killing a wicked person doesn't stop their bad behavior for long. Some other unscrupulous wretch will replace them in short order. I would rather the vile and grasping persons be put in prison or discredited with hard facts and mountains of evidence if they are spreading falsehoods. Taking away their power, their money, their sycophants, and their legacy hurts a blackguard far more than killing them.
Then Destiny slowly wakes up and he's in the back of a horse cart with Vaush dressed in old Nord clothing. Vaush looks at a half-dazed Destiny and says "Hey, you! You're finally awake, you were trying to cross the border, right? Walked right into that imperial ambush."
This event should have been called "testing Destiny's patience"
Bravo!
4 yentas and a sigma.
Dude was blatantly lying to keep his cool the entire convo
Or : Destiny defending the indefensible?!
Or : Destiny defending the indefensible?!
"How is Destiny, a gamer, even allowed to have an opinion on this?"
-Lauren Southern, occupation: ???????????
lol
Her occupation is being a wahmen
A Journalist and documentary filmmaker
@@DolphusRaymond She's a journalist in the same sense that me lighting a bonfire in my yard and then stamping it out with my bare feet makes me a firefighter.
It’s very frustrating to watch Lauren come so hard at Steven. I recognize she was trying to make a joke (or at least that’s her excuse), but he was already being dogpiled by everyone else on the panel. Lauren came so hard, swung for low blows, and doubled down when the mood got noticeably awkward. It sucks extra because Steven is always, always, always running impressive defense for Lauren.
It was a decent joke at first but she kept going with it, and it made it kinda weird when you consider their relationship outside the debate. I understand they laugh and joke with each other like that on their personal time, but I woulda thought she had enough respect for him to at least keep a public debate civil and not stretch out dissing him like that.
“You knew I was a snake when you let me in”
She’s in the harem, she never said she was loyal to it.
Lauren is a grifter at heart just like her good friend Venti. Never help scorpions out they will sting you.
Lauren definitely hit below the belt with the “gamer comment”. But she has a point insofar as Destiny having very limited adverse effects from lockdowns. He makes money through his simps.
its funny because destiny has way more responsibilities than lauren and was effected way more from covid
That lady with the glasses wasn’t “hyped up”, she was triggered and the moderator was highly irresponsible for letting her get on that tangent
Wine mom vibes
@@Supergforce777 for real 🤣
Strong boomer hippie winemom vibes from her.
yeah bro she wouldn't shut up and I swear her mic was louder lol
Destiny himself was on a fucking tangent for the entire debate, so let me just call you out on your double standards for not aknowledging that.
This debate gave me Myocarditis, Myodicartus, and Modicartiyus all at once. Amazin!
I'm disappointed Destiny didn't bring up that getting Covid has a far higher chance of Myocarditis along with everything else including the about 25% of people with long haul Covid symptoms.
@You need a medic I’m gonna need more to go off of than a random person’s TH-cam comment referencing experiences I have no way of analyzing (even ignoring the fact that I’m not a doctor), but suit yourself buddy.
aamazin!
Lauren: "I personally still don't know anyone who has died from covid."
Well shit, debate over. Can't argue with that.
Anecdotes are overpowered. Best debate tactic
I think she was only expressing how an anti vaxer probably would view it. I was in a similar situation where I had the privilege of not having a family member die of it until very recently where 3 died all around the same time. It's probably easier to feel that way when it doesn't really affect you tbh.
@@avarice5071 yeah. Unfortunately, anecdotes only help with vittual signalling. Doesn't really help with actualling discussing the issue
@@AliGoose2000 Ehh, they have their purpose. Certain kinds of people anecdotes are more effective on than others probably.
This is the classic conservative 'Don't care until it affects me personally' argument. Like when they are against abortion until the knock up a girl, or against LGBT stuff until their kid comes out gay.
Destiny really should talk over women more
dude the lady next to destiny literally cannot stop speaking for 5 seconds in a row to let destiny respond. She will talk for 5 minutes straight, and then as soon as destiny spends 10 seconds responding she's already trying to talk over him again. The moderator sits there and does nothing as this happens dozens of times
What a fucking embarrassing display for this event. "Better discourse" my ass
Destiny has some superhuman patience. Between the moderator giving the last word to others before needlessly changing the topic, never reprimanding interruption, uneven talking time where the 3 basically say the same thing in different ways and the moderator giving time for another speaker to expand on the interruption.
If I was there I would be speed running misogyny
Can you imagine this panel is Destiny wasn't there?! It would of been a gaint circle jerk.
Ye the times when Destiny tried to push to get an answer on the really stupid stuff the moderator just switches away. It is really annoying because not being able to dodge when you get caught in your bullshit is one of the benefits of in person debates.
I’m glad he finally got to ask the woman who never stopped talking where she gets data she trusts and her answer was “anecdotally on the streets!” What a time to be alive.
The moderators for Better Discourse all suck. That being said, it is fun seeing Destiny thrive in chaos.
"You know what killed COVID... Ukraine" LMAO Destiny predicted her response. This is such a meme 😂
Timestamp please 💀💀
@@tb8654 34:00
@@chaosmonkey1595 Well don't you think it makes sense to report COVID less as it becomes less of a problem... And instead start covering what could potentially become the start of World War 3?
Wow. I've never seen Lauren so desperate to get a dunk. She made one egregiously piss poor argument (why don't we punish drug addicts - we literally do lol) and resorted to "you are a gamer who never goes outside" instead of addressing an argument of any kind. Might be the worst I've ever seen her do in a debate.
You can tell the crowd laughing got her high too. She repeated the exact same joke 2 or 3 times back to back. Pretty annoying considering how nice she is on stream, switching up to win over which ever crowd she’s in front of.
@@Jason-ef8re i mean going by her history i thought this would be unsurprising.
@@null6955 exactly, and it’s funny because Destiny goes hard on Vaush for doing the exact opposite - being nice in person on stage and being awful on stream. He respects the gusto I guess
No the "You're a gamer who never goes outside etc" was a funny dunk.
Why pretend conservatives have arguments and then fake outrage when when they dodge questions?, fucking hell.
on this I just realised she is really unfunny
or it was a very bad day for her
That Lauren "I mean women, right?" comment falling flat on its face was so funny.
Not even a chuckle 🤣
It was boomer cringe
That joke would crush ass on twitch. Which makes her statement that destiny is out of touch with the real world, even funnier.
@@briantrowbridge8134 Delusion
@@moonillusions832 me, or lauren?
The ability to endure the incessant shrieking and interrupting of the chick sitting closest to Destiny has to be Nobel Prize worthy. The moderator was trash for letting her act like that but it makes sense bcuz she didn't really want Destiny to talk either.
but she was on THE STREETS OF AMERICA
Haha right? The "I don't believe any data or statistics" got me good
Do yall even know what she has done, or looked up any of her stuff.....prolly not
@@joshkhan6 Do we need to? Her arguments/debate style should hold water on its own, regardless of what her background/credentials are. She comes off as an idiot.
@@joshkhan6 Why would I? She openly admitted she does not believe any statistics or data, which means she pulls her shriek material out of her butt.
“Destiny just wants to talk about data but you weren’t affected by this because you just play video games”
“I still don’t know anyone who died from covid”
has to be the most Lauren Southern comments ever.
Lauren “Data is the plural of anecdote” Southern
She is basically the right version of Hassan, but she doesn't have cultural power.
She was talking about lockdown policies doofus ... Not covid itself .... She was saying he wasn't affected by the policies.....your comprehension needs some work...
i actually liked the destiny and lauren friendship arc. but this was a really shitty stab at destiny just to dismiss/muddy the waters
and im surprised that she tried to defend it more instead of pretending it was a joke
i wonder if Destiny realized this and will put some space inbetween them :\
@@sunkillsmoon
Lauren- you weren't effected by the policies.
Destiny- Well yeah I was you see I couldn't do xyz.
Lauren- But you're a gamer bro you could play games.
Destiny- what does have to do with my point?
Lauren- Gamer. (Looks to crowd for laughs)
I like that the moderator doesn't step in when people talk over Destiny, but steps in when Destiny tries to say something back.
EDIT: Oh my fucking god, can Lauren please STOP talking about Australia.
Yep, the closure of borders and lockdowns, though majorly annoying, were extremely effective at lowering the spread.
30:21 dawg this shit is maddening
Erh is she still talking about it? She actually has no idea what's happening in Australia, I haven't checked in anywhere in months.
I live in Australia in a major city. 95% of people were happy to lock down and understood that masks, distancing and vaccines were all effective measures. Everytime a dumbass American talking head chimes in about Australian lockdowns, we all cringe.
Moderator was so awful. I'm only 20 minutes in and I'm losing my mind. She let that insane woman next to Destiny throw out all the garbage Facebook memes but didn't let Destiny give a proper response. Absolute garbage from her to stop Destiny to ask a question by asking her question first which then goes through the whole panel.
When Lauren Southern accidentally admitted that masks were effective when combined with other measures LMAO
To be fair, I’m sure she was saying that it’s really the other measures that work and the masks are a nearly irrelevant addition. Imagine you’re depressed and you start exercising, socializing, and eating well, but also start doing power poses in the mirror to improve your confidence. Maybe the confident poses in the mirror make some tiny impact but it is really the other things that make most of the difference. You can say “power posing in the mirror cured my depression if you combine it with the other things I did” but really the power posing likely did nothing to cure your depression. Saying a+b+c+d=100 doesn’t reveal very much about any one variable. D could be 1 and a,b,c could constitute the other 99. I think I’m overexplaining hopefully my point was clear. Just think we should be charitable, even to Lauren Southern.
@@motorhead48067 very good response
Lol I got second hand embarrassment over Lauren’s 3rd world country’s response joke . Holy shit that was cringe 😂😂
You know it’s bad when even the conservative audience doesn’t want to laugh at poor foreign kids🤣
"people got myocarditis from covid vaccines!"
Also:
"1 million people died from covid-19!"
"That number is overblown."
99% of people who die with covid have underlying health conditions like cancer.
someone died in a car accident with covid and they call it a covid death.
average conservative commentator
Whenever someone says "Covid has a 99% survival rate," they should be asked how many people are in the US (~330 million), and what is 1% of that number? Oh, so you're okay with the death of 3.3 million Americans.
@Smally Bigs It's not overblown to any extend. Covid is the tipping point. It wasn't like the hospitals saw the same amount of deaths they would usually see and those just happened to also be Covid-positive people so they attributed them to it. The issue is that hospitalizations and deaths for those comorbidities exceeded all statistics. Hospitals ran over capacity. People who had prior conditions died a lot younger than they should have and those weren't some outliers but consistent numbers. The problem with these discussions seems to be that one side of the panel is there to earn cheap applause by talking fast and being outraged while another part is looking at the scientific evidence - which yes, changed over time, yes is not perfect, yes will reveal a lot of mistakes made years from now for sure, but is at the end of the day a thousand times more effective and reasonable to rely on compared to "yeah, just lock down those obese people (which is more than half of America, but sure)".
Wow Lauren's dig about him not being affected by the lockdown measures and the immediate dismissal when he said he was, such a cheap shot and said in such a bitter way as well. Perhaps it isn't fair of me to assume but if Destiny had done a similar joke the other way towards any of the other members of the panel who had been separated from partners they would have jumped on him.
He was chilling in Sweden when most people weren't even able to get a 2nd shot of vax yet c'mon now. He isn't a regular person
Yeah, I wish that bridge would just burn already. Their tolerance of one another when they have conversations on stream is so manufactured.
To be fair the woman next to Lauren did push back on her about that.
@@bran4457 I really like Lauren in destiny's content outside of debates. That DC stream was great, but her debates are insufferable. I don't think I have seen a person that is so transparently arguing in Bad faith before
I loved how the moderator would cut Destiny off from being able to respond to the bullshit these people spout, and then issue a question towards the crazies, so they can ramble on more. Unreal.
I love how the moderator won't even attempt to hide her bias.
In a 3 vs 1 debate lol
this one is too much for me
Yea after watching that second panelist interrupt and then ramble over Destiny almost non stop Destiny pleads to get just 1 question in.
Host: " I will let you ask your 1 question, just let me completely change the topic first".
Covid panels are the least focused because conservatives are incapable of separating scientific data from policy implementation.
The moderators at betterdiscourse are the absolute bottom of the barrel
@@Keithslawinski or just wear your mask and I’ll maybe wear it govoid
how can Lauren use her own experience of getting Covid as an example while she actively avoids doing things that would prevent it lmao
There is literally no logical reason for her to have done anything to avoid getting Covid since her natural immunity can take care of it, it did take care of it. Stop trying to force others to take drastic measures against things that are less deadly than the common cold.
@@SlayingSin I'm referring to her talking about still getting Covid during the peak of the lockdowns. I don't think she can use her experience as an example because she actively avoided doing things that would prevent spread lmao
@@GahdLike ah. Okay.
Cuzzzzzz she dumb
Damn destiny is really good at giving another perspective and helping one come out of their biases. Glad I learned how to let the ego go and let the information flow.
even if just to have a tool for later he really just lets the opposition babler away as much as he withstands to dispute it
"well you see the e in ego means you have to let the "E" go" - Mohammad Ali
bruh, destiny is the worst example ever of "letting the ego go", he will stick to his talking points until his grave even if he is clearly wrong.
watching this a year later 90% of destiny’s takes were retarded
Arguments with conservatives flow chart:
Conservative: makes claim
You: disagree with claim, citing data
Conservative: you really trust gov data?
You: rage quit
Conservative: facts over feelings wins again
Also conservatives: hey here's this piece of data that really fits my narrative and let me just completely ignore the immense amount of data that completely discredits my opinion.
The part where the woman on Destiny's right said myocarditis cases were underreported in vaccinated people and the total number of deaths was overreported just makes her look insufferable.
@@logo960 Dont forget the part she wont let destiny fully rebuttable as well such an annoyance.
Sounds like Lauren still thinks statistics is the plural of anecdote.
I mean, they can always be cherry-picked, but I see the point of, "shut up and listen, this might be going somewhere." How about we fight with sources rather than "sounds made up."
that savannah Hernandez thinks personal stories are even better than data
To be fair, it kinda is.
Can someone explain to me what's wrong with that statement?
"it's about feeling"
Jesus he loves to suffer doesn't he. NPC chains, dialogue trees, narratives. The moment he starts to build momentum, the moderator jumps in and switches.
Destiny’s mysogonist war on girl bossing continues
How tf is this a “better discourse” event when it clearly ends up being a 4 v 1 against Destiny every time? Like imagine if he wasn’t there, who else would push back on these insane narratives???
Destiny said on stream a couple days ago that he requests to be put on panels where it’s 1v4.
He enjoys them and asks for them so he doesnt have someone holding him back. That being said if a mod wont let him respond to the circle jerk then its pretty...rough
@@murderparker7968 Geez, what a Chad
@@tripledigit4835 yeah he said he actually prefers it because he performs better that way, that 1v1 is too slow a pace for him. Godstiny.
Fucking tru
Lauren had some really shit arguments. "COVID didn't impact me or the ones I love. Therefore all the measures were stupid." is like saying "I've never been in a car accident, seatbelts are stupid." Lauren, just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't happen. It's called a precaution. 🤦♂️
"Protect the vulnerable while letting everyone else out" is a pretty stupid statement to make given how much data we have now on how difficult it is to know who will be hurt by COVID.
yeah realistically you could only protect the elderly in that way, assuming they even want protection lol.
"It doesn't matter if obese people or anyone with comorbidities die" is her actual argument.
@@solario8628 I think it’s more like “their death is more directly linked to the consequences of their actions and health decisions that I don’t think the rest of us should bend over backwards to accommodate for it.”
Disclaimer: this isn’t necessarily my belief, this is just a charitable (and what I think is more accurate) interpretation of Lauren Southern’s beliefs
@@s-tierkeyboardwarrior-lvl4686 I still remember when the lockdowns first started happening. The amount of elderly that said "fuck this, I don't have much longer to live, if I die I die" were shocking.
I also agree with your interpretation of Lauren's opinion. I think she panders a bit for financial gain but her actual opinions tend to be a bit more reasonable.
33:00 um didn’t the lady on his left just say she got Covid and didn’t report it?? She just proved him right 😂
If you isolate at home why do you need to report it?
@@mightyturnip5070 so we have more accurate reports.
@@mightyturnip5070 so we have accurate numbers???
@@mightyturnip5070 hahahah 🤣
@JoggaStoppa™ incorrect, the numbers of deaths we see reported from covid correspond to the numbers of excess deaths we've seen when comparing the deaths from previous years
Is no one going to talk about the amount of times this girl tries to dunk on the vaccine while calling myocarditis “myokidartis”
Listening to her struggle to pronounce this word grated me so hard. “Mayokaidortis” “miyocoydartos”. Please say it a few times to get it in your head.
Corey
LoL Yeah, her Sarah Palin routine was obnoxious. Unfortunately, other than Destiny, there didn’t seem to be ONE other person in the room that understood much about the Pandemic. Interesting to hear so many of them in their worries about our education system. SMH
@@Zerophimable I never noticed at all, then again I've got half or more of the conversation at x2 speed, and when she starts repeating herself I click right once and skip a few seconds, so that checks out.
how do you agree to go on a debate panel about covid and not know the total amount of deaths globally, asking if a million deaths is for the US or globally is pathetic. Why debate something when you can’t even be bothered to look up the most basic simple statistic like total deaths even if you disagree with the number
I don't think the actual data comes into play much at all with their line of thinking. It's mostly how they feel and the personal impact it has on them. If the data can support them then they'll use it, if not they just dismiss it.
They don't even believe the statistics, it's pure confirmation bias all the way down
What we the point of that they don't believe the stats in the first place.
Because there's no actual total number of deaths. Just about all the countries had different measures when reporting their numbers and some never really reported any at all. I don't trust the USA numbers, since they included deaths with covi i.e. people who's cause of death was gun homicide.
@@simonwinn8757 So first off you know excess deaths is an easy enough way to measure this without even having to actually look at reported numbers? Do you know what excess death counting involves? Also what evidence do you have of that conspiracy claim?
its so frustrating when savannah dismisses all data that disagrees with her narrative but her sources for her garbage are "going out to the streets and talking to people"
Not just any streets, the "streets of AMERICA"
Rock Flag and Eagle baby
It's not just data that disagrees with her, it's ALL data.
@@patchhappens7575 “I don’t have to change my mind, because I’m an American. Rock, flag, and eagle. Right Charlie?”
@@ChipCheerio I am dug in, and I will never change
@@iz2333 nah just the data that mainstream media feeds you, all the data saying otherwise would get removed from any social media platform or any media in general for "misinformation", wake the fuck up.
37:20
I like how the woman next to Lauren defended Destiny against Lauren's ad hominem despite being on the same side as her.
Like, "Bro, wtf that's too much tone it down."
Yea I’m sure Destiny didn’t want to actually finish a single point anyways, cheers to the moderator
As a conservative until recently, I honestly can’t believe this is the type of company I was keeping
Lol, wait until you find that every group of people is full of trash.
Zach wants open borders and to teach my 4 year old daughter to be “brave” and come out as a boy because she likes G.I.Joes. Zach locks his door at night when he sleeps because he’s scared of the people outside
Arrogance
@@CarnelianChris exactly
@@CarnelianChris did you just make fun of someone for locking their door because they fear what‘s outside *and* for wanting open borders in the same comment? 🤡
Imagine blaming the deaths of other peoples children on a condition that you cant even pronounce correctly.
She's Myocardarded
@@Briman13 that must explain her diarrhea of the mouth syndrome
Conservatives - "lockdowns and mask mandates didn't work!"
Also conservatives - "I never wore a mask, I didn't take the vaccine, of course I didn't social distance, my whole family and I got covid and we were fine!!! What's the big deal???"
Bad take considering demo cities were the worst off. Oh we're all the deaths in NY/NJ conservatives?
@@chaosmonkey1595 My country had the most lockdowns and everyone turned into a duck.
My county (in georgia) had the most restrictions and all I got was this stupid shirt
@@sgtpatton 😂
Here in Ireland, lockdowns and mask mandates were widely successful. Now that all restrictions have been lifted we are seeing the highest number of covid cases we’ve ever seen.
I understand that Destiny likes those 1v3 debates but It's so frustrating to watch when he can't even respond to half of the things they say.
He need pen and paper for these people
"You can respond, but first I have a question." *tells some sort of story that Lauren comments on*
It was more of a 4 v 1 tbh
Destiny is good in 1vX debates when he’s not being stopped from talking by an extremely biased mod.
then why don't he speak more that's his own fault
"These policies only work when followed properly." I think we'd all agree Lauren. That's why we don't need people like you on this panel telling people to not bother following the policies. They'd have been really helpful if people actually followed them
What do you think the policies would have done?? Do you think they would of eradicated the virus or was it all just to slow the spread??
You probably don’t wear mask correctly or wear the right one anyways. Lauren’s point was that no one is doing it CORRECTLY, no one was going to do it CORRECTLY, and the difference that mask might make is not tremendous anyways.
During the initial outbreak the Czech Rep instituted a mask mandate that required everyone to wear a mask as soon as they left their homes. It creates a grass roots movement by moms and grandmas to make hand made cloth masks, and it cut spread by close to 80 percent. When the US was at 100,000 deaths they had under 2500 and it remained quite low throughout the worst of it. The sense of duty to your community is what helped there and we see how hysterical, conspiracy brain rot caused in the US with now over 1,000,000 deaths.
@@giovalladares1022 Masks being worn incorrectly is significantly better than no mask at all. Imagine if people used this argument for shit like condoms lmao. If you don't think masks work then that's a different issue.
@@Thesnakehat Based.
Don't think I've ever seen a "better discourse" panel where it wasn't 4v1. Destiny has deity status patience.
Destiny mentioned on his stream that he asks for these uneven panels. Better content.
Destiny should have known better than to barge into this PTA meeting, it's his fault really.
If stupidity was a crime, that chic next to destiny would be arrested and put in prison for life! 🤣🥳🤭
You might just get a cell next to her for the same crime if you beg the judge enough!
Polio was 95 percent asymptomatic. You had people that were refusing those vaccines too. The conservatives talking about not needing the covid vaccine would be echoing similiar statements during the Polio epidemic. I find it interesting that people can be okay with one set of vaccines but not another.
Vaccines in general are such a huge advancement for the human race, but one can cherry pick data on every virus we developed vaccines for. They are a net positive on society and safe and effective.
I think the argument they’d make is the damage it did to children. Of course you can survive without use of your legs. COVID may have long term mental health consequences in children and more importantly it killed kids rather than crippled them (not sure what the death rate from polio really was). Polio is this visible thing and the damage it causes is also really hard to ignore.
You are wrong though. Polio had almost 15% rate of mortality while covid only had 3.5%. Also polio had way worst side effects specially to children. I'm sorry I agree conservatives re dumb but your argument is not it. Also covid 19 mortality includes people that had other diseases while having covid. Yes covid could've been the reason that made the previous condition worst and made the person die, but in some cases covid19 made no difference in the previous condition, the person died from the condition and the death still counted for ths covid statistics. My brother worked with patients with covid since the start of the pandemic and he confirmed me this.
But yeah I do agree almost everyone should've had the covid vaccine, only people that where extremely debilitted or had bad reactions to the vaccine can consider not taking it but risking having covid.
Except the CDC, WHO, AMA all stated the covid deaths were over reported by as much as 50% so try again.So yea stop cherry picking and get correct info.
why are vaccines legally classified as unavoidably unsafe?
Covid doesn't paralyze you though
This was a real, "Your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you clap." debate.
As someone who's lost family members to COVID it's so infuriating hearing Lauren say shit like "I don't know anyone who died so it's not a big deal". Maybe for her next documentary she should spend some time around the communities and families that were absolutely fucking decimated by this virus
She rather live in a third world country she wouldnt last a minute. I donated my time in Uganda to help build houses and infrastructures for clean water sources and to see how the people are suffering but very happy for any little thing you contribute is so heartbreaking. No should live like this and to have an airhead speak on something she has no clue about makes a joke of their struggles. Lauren grow up and stop acting like a high school freshmen.
I guarantee you a documentary observing the lives of people who were on lockdown would be far more decimating than those actually affected by the virus. Covid was never a big deal. Ask the people whose teenagers and children committed suicide thanks to this lockdown if Covid was a "big deal" to steal their support system and lives away.
And then criticizes Destiny for not getting out enough
@@DK5TY someone get this guy a medal
@Hieronymus Bosch lost my uncle too
The lady directly to Destiny's left actually had the gall to complain about him interrupting her LOL
Lauren was actually pathetic in this conversation lmao I'm glad destiny is showing us this side of her
“Going out and talking to real life Americans” that’s the equivalent of being told that the oceans are filled with marine life but then taking a boat out to the middle of the ocean and filling up 100 buckets of water then arguing that “tons of marine life in the ocean” is highly exaggerated.
Look dude, amazing point, but you NEED to use punctuation. Took way too long for me to interpret that sentence. I'm not asking for perfect grammar, just some fluidity.
But still, I want to be clear, you frigging nailed this analogy dude
she literally used this talking point years ago when she was on about her bullshit with the migrant crisis in Europe
"I was on the ground interviewing hundreds of Swedes about their opinions on immigration so I think I know more than whatever data you're throwing at me"
her grift of having moved away from the right is so fucking transparent lmao
@@briantrowbridge8134 way to much positivity, that isn't the DDG I know
Lauren getting called out for saying Destiny would have more time to play games while separated from his fiance was the type of shit that would keep me up at night from embarrassment
Timestamp?
@@thebondvillain4920 37:10
Wow, Lauren really went for an ad hominem as a way to discredit you. To get leverage in a public debate. That’s kinda fucked up.
This panel is extremely biased, Destiny should have had more people against him!
lol
Yeah it wasn't fair at all, no way you can take Destiny with just 4 people
i laughed out loud every time that women said "mio-KYDORTIS" xDDD
Let the record be shown that zero deaths are attributed to mio-KYDORTIS.
I think Lauren's response about not knowing anyone who's died is the most telling about her argument and perspective. "I don't know anyone who died, so the statistics are fake." I don't understand people who can't understand the difference between their individual experience and the overall picture.
I also hate her constant refrain that we had no idea what we were doing. Even if I grant that we got some things wrong, that doesn't mean we had no idea what we were doing. Preliminary data and incomplete data is sometimes all you have and you have to rely on it as best you can because to do otherwise is completely baseless.
Jesus Christ the crowd clapping on cue like trained pigeons anytime they said "government oppression" or "muh rights" is so fucking annoying. It's like the Family Guy bit where Lois just says "9/11 was bad" and everyone claps like crazy
I like how you don't even need to have labels for the panelists because you know it's already going to be everyone vs destiny
Nice Joker avatar glad you're on our side brother
Usually I love the cancer debates but the smug ignorance of these women paired with Lauren going full AIDS was actually infuriating.
yea this was just plain annoying
It shouldn't be illegal to spread AIDS, if you have a healthy immune system you will probably catch it in time to get treatment. It should my freedom to spread AIDS.
Yea usually I'm happy to simp for Lauren but this just wasn't it 😭
The fact he's not allowed to respond makes it worse.
Facts
Holy shit these "moderators" prime the fuck out of these conversations
Probably dumb question but what do you mean by prime?
@@lewistillett206 It means just usually airing on one side of a particular issue, topic or opinion usually intentionally through coated and low key language so when the actual conversation starts the audience and others are subconsciously already thinking about X Y and Z in a certain way.
@@eternalblue4660 Nice explanation, ty
@@Vovoxa7 Algood
@@eternalblue4660 Thanks, thought that was the case
Oh wow, Lauren coming in hot with the anti-gamer takes, what an unpleasant surprise.
She gonna blame us for Columbine, next?
Her joke about Destiny gaming had a point. Those who are introverts can handle lockdowns far better than those who are extroverts. If your routine is playing video games 8 hours a day (not an ad hom, I have done this myself as a teenager), then lockdown doesn't disrupt you very much. If your routine is going to the gym, then work, then hang outside w/friends, then go to a restaurant, then go to the movies; lockdown will completely mess you up.
I love how you try to fish for a semi coherent statement of substance in all of what Lauren said lol good job simp
Talking about TBD ^ obviously
@@Thebullshitdebunker Wasn't this in response to destiny sayingnhe couldn't see his fiancée?
@@tarfielarchelone2674 IIRC yes, but it really doesn't matter. The overall point still stands, despite if the joke/comment was mean or used as an ad hom.
The point being introverts can handle lockdowns far better than extroverts. So when some introverts say that lockdown wasn't a big deal, they are correct; FOR THEM. It was a big deal for everyone else who wanted to enjoy the fruits of a standard, functional society.
37:10 thanks to brown hair girl for calling Lauren out on this it was so embarrassing “you were playing games so you don’t care about your fiancé” what logic is this.
Did this debate actually have a moderator?
I worked in a hospital, and our shit was completely rocked and fucked. Our medical infrastructure was completely overwhelmed and just 2 years later we just forgot. These conservative panelists seem to have a short fucking memory.
“I’m a journalist,” “I talk to people, that’s how I know these things” she says in response to a question about her sources on myocarditis before pronouncing myocarditis as “myocidartis” for the umpteenth time.
She sounded like my local newswoman reporting on a puff piece.
She's A Lil Goofy Fa Sho ... But Pointing Out Mispronounciations Isn't The Kool Dunk U Think It Is !!
@@masasosaa9835 It is, actually. This isn’t “covefefe”. This is a self-professed journalist, debater, and public figure who actively steps onstage to debate over the nuances of a deadly disease in front of the public.
If she can’t understand common pharmacological suffixes like “itis” (inflammation), then this is a disgusting abuse of her responsibilities. I’m sorry that you can’t see this.
@@jelko2850 Have A Good Day ! 👍
I wish every time someone said "statistics are easily manipulated" they were asked exactly how they can be so easily manipulated. This seems a general talking point most of the right has landed on when it is convenient for them and yet I have my doubts any of them could identify reasonable arguments for why the data they don't like is inaccurate.
Also, if they're so easily manipulated, why can't everyone also identify when these specific statistics are manipulated? Why is it only people with a certain set of beliefs able to see when something is wrong, yet no one else is?
Honestly this happens way too much with the average person. Whenever I'm arguing/discussing/debating someone, I always try to ask them after they reference a study if they believe that statistics can be skewered disingenuously or unconsciously, and if they say Yes I ask for them to give me an example of a study that they referenced, if they say no then I try to point one out in a study that they reference in order to show how either side can fall into misinformation both quickly and accidentally.
An easy example would be covid death statistics, as it's been widely known and accepted that people who simply had covid when they died were marked as covid deaths.
its a dumb argument tho because it doesn't really go anywhere.
@@Shadowh8ter To that point, Fauci called it out on the air when he said that not every child who went to the hospital with COVID (and was therefore added to the "children hospitalized" statistic) went due to COVID. However, he then proceeded to not make that same point for adults, so that was an example of someone both pointing out statistical manipulation and manipulating statistics at the same time.
The problem is,this is absolut what both sides think, that the other is naiv and easy manpulated,the more politics came into play,the worse it gets.
This is possibly the most braincell-deficient panel Destiny has ever been on.
It's incredibly telling that when asked about which country did best or worst, every conservative answer was about whether or not a particular policy was enacted but destiny's answer was about the number of deaths and population density. These people simply don't care if people died so long as it's no one they knew and they could continue with their comfy lives...
Do a little bit of research instead of uncritically believing destiny, when you adjust for factors like that the data still very clearly shows that the places with the most authoritarian policies did the worst.
I guess thats like conservative virtue signaling?
@@micfail2 I didn't say anything about destiny or anyone else's facts.
I made an observation about what they cited as being an important factor in whether they thought a country's response was good.
Every single one of these people could be wrong, but it's important to notice why they gave the answers they did...
Yes. But that’s because destiny is a means justify the ends kind of guy, whereas obviously conservatives are not. This is pretty simple ethical philosophy and it’s hilarious u think this is some interesting aspect of the discussion.
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Yeah, I could never debate, because that woman next to destiny was triggering the ever living fuck out of me, and I was just watching her ramble on. He was debating her.
I like the part at the beginning when she says "But we were told it was... safe and effective!"
She's just trying to get to the nuts and bolts, dude.
SHE DON’T BELIEVE DATA OR STATISTICS
yes she would have made me hover my hands over her neck lol. she just thinks that talking loud and over people make her seem smart
I think I would have smacked her when she had the balls to say Destiny wouldn't like her talk after asking him like 5 questions and talking over him after like 3 seconds of a response.
Fucking facepalm when one of the panelists thought 1 million deaths was the global number
Just more evidence these people don't know and don't care about facts
Really enjoyed going blind ripping my eyes out listening to this! Definitely a wonderful panel with a lot of varied perspectives!
It boils my blood when the random woman screams “shut up” at Destiny when he finally starts to put heat on the other guests after being cut off for the entirety of an hour, even on questions asked specifically to him
I remember conservatives clapping and cheering for Trump when he said the vaccines will be out in record time. Now it’s a bad thing?😂
I'm not a conservative so I don't hold the vaccine bad view point, I do however hold the "I'm the president and if I say everyone has to get vaccinated then everyone has to get vaccinated" to scrutiny. I know that was hyperbole.
Yes because it was going to be an option to get it , Biden first said it was an option then went back on his word and forced everyone in the government and contractors that work under the government to get it or lose there job. He also tried to go after smaller businesses but got sued for going above his government branch.
@@karatechris09 I’m talking about the vaccines and the development not mandates. Yeah some of the mandates were contradictory or even unnecessary but as far as getting the vaccine out quick. Conservatives had no issue with the vaccine being made quick under Trump. They wanted it out as fast as possible so things can get back to normal. Vaccine aren’t 100% cures and people keep forgetting that. We’re living with the consequences of getting it out so fast.
It must be exhausting trying so hard to push a narrative only for Trumpgod to go against it causing them to constantly backpedal.
@@terrellk3242 I absolutely agree it was push out too quick and not enough testing done on the vaccines. The people who said they will never take the vaccine while Trump was in office is the exact people that was pushing so hard for everyone to get the vaccine when he out of office say….Kamala Harris, the vaccine did not change only our leadership. Yes vaccines are not 100% but when a virus has a higher infection rate vs mortality rate people will weigh the option if they will take the chance of adverse side effects vs a stronger case of the flu. I promise you if a different strand of smallpox broke out again people would desperately will to take any vaccine because death is likely if you get smallpox till a cure to it is made.
1:03:52
"I don't believe any data or statistic"
This chick is literally Lauren Southern in 2017. She went around and talked to a bunch of people and thinks that's a valid way of knowing what's broadly going on in the country. God damn this is why we need to teach data science in K-12 as a part of the general curriculum.
Whenever destiny gets onto one of his super fast talking rants I feel my brain getting bigger and pure ecstacy engulfs my entire body
The woman right next to destiny is the perfect exemple of over confidence
INCOMING WOMEN MOMENTS
These individuals (not counting Destiny) trust none of these organizations, bodies, and stats and say they are wrong, but all they really have to go on is their feelings. Since they do not trust all this medical data, the professionals, etc., who do they trust?
Facebook memes make them feel smart
They are acting like SJWs LMAO
Imagine shilling for big Pharma lol. Couldn’t be me.
@@malbasedvalentine3210 you need to better your comprehension skills.
As opposed to blindly trusting every federally approved talking point without question or concern.
"I, one single person, got covid and I was fine,". That's one of the dumbest things I've heard on one of these debate panels.
50:38
"I'm a transphobe." and then they all clapped
I feel like conservatives are so close to making a good point and then they just take a huge left turn and complain about something that doesnt mattter
aye the girl next to destiny bad whats her podcast name
Great to see a full women pannel
“Destiny, that’s a girls name right”
That stripper Destiny really handled herself well.
A reporter who doesn't trust any study or data. That's like a butcher who doesn't believe animals exist.
Or better yet, a butcher that doesn't believe in washing their hands because germs are fake..
She legit doesn't have a single study or actual "data" on her website that goes over COVID information. It's a joke.
That lady next to Destiny is a perfect example of why were all screwed
the girl sitting next to destiny has some wild beliefs.."data can be manipulated..so i don't trust it.."
destiny: "so how do u formulate an opinion?"...exactly...damn girl! do u listen to what u say?
I dont trust data.. That doesnt support my current agenda/belief*
I killed me how often the crowd was clapping for her when she said things that Destiny easily dismantled right afterwards.
Anti-intellectualism at its finest. Sad that a lot of "free thinkers" are spiraling down this route.
Or how she said that Trump and Biden arent taking the same vaccines as normal Americans. These types of people are absolutely brainwashed and not living in reality
She's spoken to five people in the street. Who needs data when you've got that? It's just the plural of anecdote after all.
the woman on destiny's left makes me want to go back to 2016 and sub to trainwreck
Who is she?
Destiny’s takes never seem to age well
I love watching a panel where 90% of the points made are emotional, and when the rational person tries to explain why those emotional responses are incorrect and misguided, they get shouted over with no reproach from the moderator. The best part was when the moderator watched the rational person get interrupted multiple times and then cut them off when they tried to respond, changing the subject in the process. Having 3 conspiracy theorists along with an idiot moderator + 1 actual person is definitely not a recipe for "better discourse". Also, it's quite obvious that these panelists have no idea about historical viral events, people were actually shot for violating mandates that were imposed during the Spanish Flu (Which I agree with).
love how the moderator keeps bailing the loudest one out everytime destiny tries to ask a question to illustrate why her argument was dumb
I was with you until that last sentence wtf. You agree with people being shot for violating Spanish flu mandates? Wanna clarify
''Lmao totally ok to shoot people who don't follow mandates guys we're the rational ones amaright'' And yet you wonder why people like Lauren get 'emotional' over this, y'all are part of the problem.
@@JayD73 it's the reason these people push back so much. I've had some of the most heinous shit said to me because I refused the vaccine because I don't want to reward people for guiltily and shaming. I'm pro Vax but if the tactic to get the hesitant vaxxed is to make them fear you and feel like trash, then I also refuse to get it. Truthfully, I don't want to live in a world where people collectively act out the belief that we can get what we want by being nasty to others. I'd rather live in a world where discourse is to use logic and reason to convince others.
@@JayD73 LMAO, he writes an entire paragraph about how being rational is better than being emotional, and then ends it with a hyper-emotional sentence. I couldn't do satire better if I tried.
I feel like this could have been a better discourse if they had a moderator.
My GF is an RN in the ER and did 8 months in a COVID unit in 2020. She has PTSD from it. She wakes up in the night startled screaming. She saw so much death. She couldn't see her children during that time. Her oldest son has asthma and got COVID the first week that schools reopened ... he spent two weeks in the hospital because Pneumonia compromised his lungs.
Jesus man I'm sorry 😔 Those comments on hospitals were absolutely insane. Apparently, Savannah never talked to nurses "on the street" while she interviewed "REAL-Americans"©
I find that I don't always agree with you 100%, but what I have found is that you are not influenced by any particular political sides' ' narrative'. You appear to think for yourself, which is a rare thing nowadays.
yea like i have mix views on destiny but atleast i dont feel like hes just saying stuff to signal
“I’m a journalist, anecdotes and right wing talking points are my job.”
“You know what killed Covid…” “…the war in Ukraine took it right off my tv screen” how does Destiny continue to have these conversations
I believe them though. These people only watch Fox News, and I absolutely buy the story of "Tucker Carlson or whoever was ranting and raving about The Evil Democrats and their corona policies, and stopped to rave and rant about the russia ukraine war instead! (and still try to find a way to shoehorn in Democrat Bad no matter how far they need to reach to do it)".
@@rocketrelm1125 I don’t know how much I believe her specifically, but I completely believe that there are people that think that because they only watch Fox News. I just don’t know how someone continues to have these conversations, when opinions like this are thought of as actual thought and not being brain dead
Man... I disagree with Destiny on MANY, even MOST topics including COVID related stuff but Lauren and the loud chick were just obnoxious. Loud chick just turned Destiny into a stereotypical monolith of the far left media talking points and then screamed out right leaning talking points over stuff Destiny doesn't even think lol...
I love good debate but some of these people are not smart enough to be doing this...
You could see the fear in their eyes when Destiny started a response, the cognitive dissonance was so strong they had to screech out Facebook antivaxx memes to drown out any other speach... ironic.
If we’ve learned anything, it’s that Dylan Burns needs to moderate all these debates
The crowd really seemed to love everyone but destiny damn
Tribalism is one hell of a drug
He doesn't really give himself any favors.
I have my bottle of shampoo ready. Sip sip, this is the brain damage I'm subscribed for.
wholesale agree with you and im kind of wondering why i wasted my time listening to this idiot circle jerk and for that matter why he even bothered with this debate, none of these ladies are operating in reality and this wasn't a constructive conversation on any of the interesting points Destiny brought up like half way through the video
Same but i switched to Novichok halfway through.