My first experience firing a long gun was a Remington 870 with 1 oz. slugs (I'd fired tons of .22, some 9mm, some .40, and .38 before that). It wasn't bad at all. I think if you're not afraid of it, it's really not that hard.
I shot over a hundred 12 gauge today. I only weigh 120 lbs and I'm 70. After trying a few stances in 'rapid' fire with my 590 pump, I found your stance is the best. I put my left knee way out, lean forward, pull the shotgun in firm, and just go with the recoil. Relaxing helps and staying focused on your sight picture and trigger control, helps take your mind off the kick. I try not to waste time during the recoil and be sure to pump the gun during recoil.
Super helpful! I’ve watched your video multiple times and have learned more from it than from any other video addressing recoil management. Thanks very much. You do a great job explaining and showing.
First time I shot my 12 gauge, I had no training, saw a few videos, and yup, my shoulder and right side of my chest bruised, but I was pretty on point with my shots. It was 12 gauge slugs, and they were pretty powerful. The recoil was fierce. Then one of shooting range employees sold me some slugs that had less recoil, and it felt perfect. Still need more practice though. Thanks for the video.
When I first bought my 12 gauge I used the mini slugs to start and didn’t think the recoil was bad at all, today I loaded up on herters slugs. I was literally blown away
I didn't realize how much of a punch it was I just got pissed off and just flex and when into the stock and mag dumped . Love it New appreciation and respect for shottys
Thanks for the advice and technique. Planning to fire a .458 LOTT soon and having fired a .375 H&H mag when I was too tensed up it wasn't pleasant. I think what you have shared will help a lot.
I love your videos this is why TH-cam was truly admitted to share information and your information is spot on every one of your vid’s that I have watched is absolutely so true and that shootin community
Excellent video! I had a couple of new shooters review this video before taking them to learn shotgunning. Afterwards they said this video was a great help! Thanks!
I enjoyed the video. The sincere communication of information and knowledge, without any attitude or nonsense. 12 ga. kicks my 145 lb. butt, and I know it has more to do with my ignorance and lack of technique than anything. Once my lip starts quivering, I'm terrible with it for the rest of the day. Nice job, sir.
Good ole boy. Great job sir. I was watching because i havent shot a 12 gauge sense i was a kid and i just bought me a single shot 12 gauge and i was just refreshing. And never shot a single shot shotgun before and ive heard even the 12 gauge single barrels a bit more on recoil than say a mossberg 500 because of the weight of the gun. But that 10 gauge IS SWEET. i cant wait to shoot mine. Thanks for vid
Really enjoyed the video,sound fundamentals all the way ! I liked the way you didn't make fun of the viewers who are just getting associated with firearms.
Thanks for this video, I recently bought my first shotgun and was looking on TH-cam for a video on how to control recoil. I took her to the range for the first time to dial her in(Tactical 12 gauge)last week and realized I needed help. The "kick" didn't bother me at all, but I would get a significant muzzle rise after every shot, hoping to get back to the range soon to try out the techniques that you showed.
really excellent video man, really helped me out alot. Im definitely goin to use those techniques next time i hit the range. im trying to get into shootin my shotgun more so this really helped. thanks man, much appreciated.
Thanks, very helpful. I wish more people saw your videos for shooting shotguns before they beat themselves up horribly and becoming afraid of the shotgun.
Even if you're using a gun with light recoil, the habits and technique involved in handling heavy recoil are still useful when shooting lighter recoiling guns effectively. The most obvious example is quickly shooting tight groups off hand with an AR15. Managing the recoil of an AR15 as if it were a 10 gauge can make your rapid fire groups a lot tighter.
Your tutorial is perty good. One thing though, you might want to consider showing your feet position as that is important. Also, I’m perty sure when firing a shotgun there is a push/pull method where you push forward with your non firing hand and pull slightly with your firing hand. It really helps to keep you on target. Just food for thought.
Crawling before sprinting...seems intuitive but you state your argument smartly. I’m thinking about jumping up several levels to the 375 Ruger but now I’ll follow your advice and master the 30-06 first. I have a neighbor who will let me shoot his. Thanx 4 the advice!
After I watching this vid, the content is extremely intelligent. I dig how you should both the static stance and your preferred stance. Also I like that actually show how do your stances.
I did exactly your plan for starting small and working my way up the food chain. I began with a 410 then a 20 ga then I just got my first 12 ga. A Moss 500. Of course the 00 buck and 1 oz Foster slug was the two choices of ammo, but that's the dumbass male ego and I ain't never getting rid of that. One thing that I found is to get the stock off of bone and against muscle. Move it down and in so that it's against the large chest muscle and not your collar bone. That really helped. And I got this gel pad called the Recoil Eraser off of Amazon and that was the magic ticket. I also got a shorter stock from Magpul that makes the overall pull a little shorter and more of a tighter package, that brought everything together.
There are a lot of ways to do things, but for me, a tried and true way to have an unpleasant experience with heavy recoil is to pretend to be an oak tree or something like that. Loosey-goosey will also hurt. Like the guy says here - snug it up but let it rock you back a bit. Nice video!
You're absolutely right there's virtually nothing on TH-cam about recoil. Useful info cause when I was in college we shot clays without thinking about recoil...but I'm much older and haven't touched a 12 gauge in so long I've built up a fear factor. Better get out toa range huh?! What about shooting a shotgun from the waist? Have any thoughts on close quarter handling techniques? Thanks!
I shot a 10 gauge as a kid at a turkey shoot and actually won a prize wouldn't say I was the best at using it, but don't be afraid of the gun the funnest experience of shooting guns in my mind is the recoil gives a certain rush of overcoming the fear.
One of the biggest things I have found with recoil management is to have the right gun for the right situation. I made my way here after getting an 18. 5 inch fold over back packing 12 gauge. After being taught proper recoil management I never had much of an issue firing even the larger loads in larger calibers even though they might have a bit of a sting to them but this gun was a beast of a whole new color. It is about 3.5 lbs I ran some 7 and a half 2 3/4 short brass through this thing and it was trying to beat my shoulder to death, left massive bruising, pain in my shoulder blades and even in my neck. The fit wasn't quite right so I adjusted it and it helped a little it. The foregrip was too narrow leaving a pocket underneath between your palm an your grip itself so the muzzle jump with high brass 00 or slugs it would pull the foregrip out of your hand. The stock is a hollow polymer. I added a limb saver that helps a little bit but this thing is just a mule. If you decide on a backpacking shotgun that has that little weight with a streamline stock I would recommend dropping down to maybe a 20 or even a .410.
I just bought a similar gun and watching videos I am quite apprehensive to say the least. It is not the bird shot that has me so concerned but the slugs.
@@Harelston Believe it or not the slugs were not too bad. The reason for that being that you so rarely shoot them. Sure, they kick like a Missouri mule on steroids but you never have to shoot much lol. I fired out a 1 oz slug from my midland 12 backpacker and it blew the bead off the front.
@@lowlandraised7266 Thanks for the reply. I particularly wanted midland shotgun. I hit every online store and possibility that came to mind. I found nothing but out of stocks. I finally settled on the cheaper version ati nomad back packer because they could at least be found. The reviews struck me as less quality but I got the gun for $90. I am a new gun owner trying to learn online as much as I can. I have only shot pistols and a 30 30 in my past. Would appreciate your opinion ...besides the slugs I bought 7.5 bird shot in the hopes of learning to hunt small game. Should I start out learning the ropes with the bird shot first before going at it with slugs? I got the gun to begin with for two reasons. Additional home defense to go with my 9 mm and desire to pick up hunting as something to enjoy with my son who hunts fairly regularly.
@@Harelston Hi leon! I really hope that I can help. Well I have been a shotgunner my whole life. The area we live in is delta land so we deal mostly with shotguns and brushpopper guns like the .30-30 because it is so thick that the odds of you getting more than a 50 yard shot without being on a game trail is super rare. As for the choice between the Midland and the ATI I think you have made the right choice. I had to return two midlands because they were too light to take the hit from even bird shot and the breech would torque and let gas escape. It was a very dangerous situation. It honestly was just not a very gun gun to have in a larger caliber and the barrels were extremely thin. I still have one that is a .410 and it works fine but I would not go larger than that with a midland. Now, for the last part a shotgun is so versatile you are never going to shoot it the same way twice. How you would shoot a slug at a certain distance or how you would shoot bird shot are gonna be totally different. Even the difference in shot sizes for bird shot will change the way you shoot and of course the choke you use will as well. Do not let me worry you into thinking this is difficult because it isn't. For example my favorite all around shot for any shotgun is a number 6. It gives me a nice pattern but the shot is large enough that I am not digging it out for the next 25 minutes and missing pieces. So if you use that for bird and rabbit and squirrel hunting you will get use to your distances or any leadoff you may need if they are running etc. Now in a perfect world you always want to fire on a still target especially with these single shot backpacking shotguns with short barrels. When it comes to slug hunting the first thing I have to ask is what is the choke on the gun? You do not want it to be too restrictive because it can blow your barrel and secondly ALWAYS fire at a still target or mostly still. Take your time be in a good distance and place your shot just like you would do a rifle. I would go to the range and try some slugs at 50 yards maybe 5 or so and check your pattern and then at around 35 yards maybe try some smaller bottles and then lastly some sporting clays for something like dove. But like I said it is best to get it while it is still by being patient and creeping so you dont have to waste ammo but sometimes you dont have that choice. I hope this helps and if you have any other questions please ask!
@@lowlandraised7266 You are a wealth of knowledge and greatly appreciated. My biggest concerned after reading your reply is the choke aspect of it. I certainly don't want to damage the gun or maybe even hurt myself or anyone else by doing something unsafe. I tried to research my situation as best as possible. I am still a little bit unclear after all those attempts however. I know my choke in the improved modified choke. After watching a guy pushing a slug through a i.m. choke to illustrate what the slug must pass through . I understand at least a little more of potential problems. However I also understand that the fact that though it is somewhat difficult it does not preclude the use of a slug. Now that is what I get from what the guy was saying. I obviously may not have understood with total clarity. Anything you can tell me on this would be helpful so that I don't damage the gun from the jump. That would be the worst thing I can do. If the gun won't handle the slugs maybe I can sell them or something and find something more appropriate. I really wanted to get 00 aught buck but Cabelo's was sold out of it. Again I really appreciate your being willing to offer help.
When you can take a stage couch double berral with side hammers and load high brass and hold it while firing both berrals at the same time will talk recoil until then the rest is cake walk lol I'm talking crap but have done it on several occasions on a short gun like that you gotta put a hand on top of it to hold it down
So I was wondering, where exactly do you mount the stock to the shoulder? I do the pocket, but eh... kinda stiff with my beloved 000 buck 3" magnum. I've seen videos of some mall ninjas on here who advocate mounting to various places on the pectoral. some put it just to the inside of the pocket on the pec, while some go so far as to say you should put it almost directly under your shooting eye, just outside of the sternum on the pec (of course that particular guy had pecs like a bodybuilder). have you tried any such variations?
I'm pretty much strictly a shoulder pocket guy ! I've tried the peck mounted shooting and I do not find it comfortable at all ...I find about an inch inside the armpit crease works best for me. As long as I don't start getting on my upper bicep I feel pretty good . what I dislike most about the peck mount is the longer reach to the fore end on pumps ! and in my opinion hard recoil really smarts on your chest.. hope this helps some and thanks for watching.
+BlockShawOutdoors Yeah, I haven't been shooting since I came across the pec technique. It's probably a matter of whether you prefer pain in your muscles or your bones, lol. Most of the big game hunters of old that hunted with .60 caliber double rifles ended up with crippled shoulders, so I guess there aren't any real secrets to recoil management. Oh well, thanks for the reply!
I've been trying to get my cheek on it while it's on my shoulder as well but what I end up having to do is bend my neck and drop my head sideways in order to reach and it's really uncomfortable. If I place it snug against the cheek first and try lifting my elbow to raise my shoulder up it still doesn't work. What am I doing wrong?
People afraid they’d be a wimp to even bring it up. You get MAN POINTS for speaking up my friend. Good on you. 👍. Sounds simple but I’ve been looking/waiting for this as a new shotgun owner. BIG THANKS 👍 On the 10 gauge, after a home invasion would you STILL be able to tell the “species of the intruder” after he was met with a 3 1/2” TWO oz. MAGNUM payload? 🙂
In shotguns, that 10 gauge with 3.5" shells delivers roughly 61-63 lbs of felt recoil. A 12 gauge with a 3" magnum will hit you at something between 52-54 lbs of felt recoil. A 20 gauge with a 3" shell will hit you at nearly 30 lbs of felt recoil. In rifles, my all time favorite the .257 Roberts dishes out a severe 12 lbs of recoil and I've killed a butt load of deer with it over the years. Moving up the scale, a .30-06 will hit you with around 20 lbs of recoil, a .375 H&H with around 37-38 lbs of felt recoil and a .416 Remington comes in at around 53 lbs of felt recoil. The recoil from any of these gauges or calibers will vary up or down depending upon the type of shell or cartridge you are using, upon the physical weight of the gun you're shooting and as this gent points out so clearly....your shooting stance. It should also be stated that typically a shotgun's recoil is a bit slower than that of a high velocity rifle cartridge. It's more of a hard push as opposed to a hard punch. You must lean into the gun and remain flexible in the knees to absorb the heavy stuff but when you've learned to shoot them properly, even a kid can handle the push. I owned a Mossberg 12 gauge pump once. It's a large frame gun so I cut the stock down and took it turkey hunting without shooting it before hand. No turkeys but a crow flew into a tree in response to my calling and I decided I'd pop that crow. I'm accustomed to recoil and it doesn't bother me but that shortened stock caused my right thumb to be closer to my face than it would normally be and when I touched the trigger that 55+/- recoil pushed my right hand into my nose and I was covered in nose blood in an instant. Surprised the crap out of me and I had to explain to my wife that I wasn't hurt although my right eye turned black and blue. I traded that thing and never looked back and I've used 20 gauges ever since. For the game I hunt the smaller gauges do just as well in the hands of a guy who knows what he's doing.
I can't be sure the recoil energy of the slugs without knowing the shotgun weight and the particular slug you shoot, but I would imagine the energy would be somewhere in the 40-55 foot pound range in your average 12 ga... Just a ballpark guess tho. The average 338 win mag is gonna be between 30-40 foot pounds, but a sharper recoil than a shotgun which is more of a quick push type recoil. 338 win mag is DEFINITELY a rifle that you have to be careful of the scope popping you in the eye from the shooting rest. So just give yourself a decent eye relief and you should be fine.
@@blockshawoutdoors7472 Thanks! My only shotgun is the Benelli M4. And the .338 is the Sako Brown Bear, I plan to hunt with it (I have a .223 Sako for target practice) and the intention is to sight it in with iron sights and see how it goes from there.
Anyone know what's a good shot for a bad back? (Low Recoil) Birdshot? Target loads? I have 2 bulging discs in my lower back, but I don't want to miss out on shotguns.They seem like alot of fun. I'm thinking of getting a Maverick 88 12ga.
@@Seekingtruth-mx3ur I hear ya. I don't know how much you can handle but my 500 ain't bad at all even with bucks and slug. Only thing is 3 inch rounds. They kinda hurt.
Yuri Danylko more powder and lead! 8 gauge = more power and recoil than a 10 gauge and so on . but that being said, most 12 gauges are much lighter than a 10, so a 3 1/2 in magnum in a 7.5 lb 12 ga might have more felt recoil than a heavy weight 10 ga
When it comes to shotguns, the smaller the number, the bigger the bullet. 28 gauge has the least(excluding 410) 20, then 16 then 12 then 10 has the most
Thanks for commenting Ronald Dane . I really appreciate your service as a policeman ! It's such a huge risk and responsibility our Officers face every day and with very little credit in return. Thanks for watching and commenting , have a great day .
Super helpful! I’ve watched your video multiple times and have learned more from it than from any other video addressing recoil management. Thanks very much. You do a great job explaining and showing.
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My first experience firing a long gun was a Remington 870 with 1 oz. slugs (I'd fired tons of .22, some 9mm, some .40, and .38 before that). It wasn't bad at all. I think if you're not afraid of it, it's really not that hard.
I shot over a hundred 12 gauge today. I only weigh 120 lbs and I'm 70. After trying a few stances in 'rapid' fire with my 590 pump, I found your stance is the best. I put my left knee way out, lean forward, pull the shotgun in firm, and just go with the recoil. Relaxing helps and staying focused on your sight picture and trigger control, helps take your mind off the kick. I try not to waste time during the recoil and be sure to pump the gun during recoil.
12 gauge magnum slugs kicked my ass today. thanks for the info
Super helpful! I’ve watched your video multiple times and have learned more from it than from any other video addressing recoil management. Thanks very much. You do a great job explaining and showing.
Hello and thank you for this lesson on handling recoil on shotgun and rifles. I learn something everyday even at 65 yrs old. Thank you
Very detailed and useful advice, thanks a lot! 10 gauge looks awesome
Good stuff - That 10-gauge looks like a whole lot of fun 💥🤘🏼❗️
Yep, but it'll definitely knock you around without proper technique!
He handled it with aplomb, though.
First time I shot my 12 gauge, I had no training, saw a few videos, and yup, my shoulder and right side of my chest bruised, but I was pretty on point with my shots. It was 12 gauge slugs, and they were pretty powerful. The recoil was fierce. Then one of shooting range employees sold me some slugs that had less recoil, and it felt perfect. Still need more practice though. Thanks for the video.
When I first bought my 12 gauge I used the mini slugs to start and didn’t think the recoil was bad at all, today I loaded up on herters slugs. I was literally blown away
I didn't realize how much of a punch it was
I just got pissed off and just flex and when into the stock and mag dumped .
Love it
New appreciation and respect for shottys
Thanks for the advice and technique. Planning to fire a .458 LOTT soon and having fired a .375 H&H mag when I was too tensed up it wasn't pleasant. I think what you have shared will help a lot.
I love your videos this is why TH-cam was truly admitted to share information and your information is spot on every one of your vid’s that I have watched is absolutely so true and that shootin community
Excellent video! I had a couple of new shooters review this video before taking them to learn shotgunning. Afterwards they said this video was a great help! Thanks!
Thanks! Really glad it helped.
I enjoyed the video. The sincere communication of information and knowledge, without any attitude or nonsense. 12 ga. kicks my 145 lb. butt, and I know it has more to do with my ignorance and lack of technique than anything. Once my lip starts quivering, I'm terrible with it for the rest of the day. Nice job, sir.
Good video! Lots of great tips I will try out!
Great explanation and demo. Thanks for posting this video.
Liked the very informative video my man. Absolutely!
Good ole boy. Great job sir. I was watching because i havent shot a 12 gauge sense i was a kid and i just bought me a single shot 12 gauge and i was just refreshing. And never shot a single shot shotgun before and ive heard even the 12 gauge single barrels a bit more on recoil than say a mossberg 500 because of the weight of the gun. But that 10 gauge IS SWEET. i cant wait to shoot mine. Thanks for vid
Really enjoyed the video,sound fundamentals all the way ! I liked the way you didn't make fun of the viewers who are just getting associated with firearms.
Thanks for this video, I recently bought my first shotgun and was looking on TH-cam for a video on how to control recoil.
I took her to the range for the first time to dial her in(Tactical 12 gauge)last week and realized I needed help. The "kick" didn't bother me at all, but I would get a significant muzzle rise after every shot, hoping to get back to the range soon to try out the techniques that you showed.
Thanks! Really got my ass kicked today by the Remington 870 12 gauge police trade-in I just picked up. Looking forward to trying these techniques out.
Thank you!!! It's been quite a while since I've shot a shotgun. This is going to get me right back into it.
really excellent video man, really helped me out alot. Im definitely goin to use those techniques next time i hit the range. im trying to get into shootin my shotgun more so this really helped. thanks man, much appreciated.
Raymond Arnold thank you for the comment! I'm really glad that this video helped
Sure thing.. hope to see more from you
I think ya did well on showing recoil some people need step by step teaching to feel safe with power
Thanks, very helpful. I wish more people saw your videos for shooting shotguns before they beat themselves up horribly and becoming afraid of the shotgun.
All very good info, Thanks for the video...
Excellent video great instruction
I always like watching an experienced shooter show how it's done.
Thanks for the info. Like it very much, found it useful.
Excellent Video Sir, very good instructions. I really enjoyed this alot.
Thanks +Rick Nethery I'm really glad you liked it
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Good presentations here!
Even if you're using a gun with light recoil, the habits and technique involved in handling heavy recoil are still useful when shooting lighter recoiling guns effectively. The most obvious example is quickly shooting tight groups off hand with an AR15. Managing the recoil of an AR15 as if it were a 10 gauge can make your rapid fire groups a lot tighter.
I was 11 yrs old when my dad gave me a 12ga. He explained how to shoot it and I never had a problem since. "Hang on tight but let it shove you back".
Thanks for making this it was very helpful
Good information!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
Your tutorial is perty good. One thing though, you might want to consider showing your feet position as that is important. Also, I’m perty sure when firing a shotgun there is a push/pull method where you push forward with your non firing hand and pull slightly with your firing hand. It really helps to keep you on target. Just food for thought.
Great Advice. You are easy to listen to.
Thanks, man!
Very informative. I just bought my first shotgun so this helps
Great teaching video. Thank you. Will definitely practice your lean in stance. :)
Crawling before sprinting...seems intuitive but you state your argument smartly. I’m thinking about jumping up several levels to the 375 Ruger but now I’ll follow your advice and master the 30-06 first. I have a neighbor who will let me shoot his. Thanx 4 the advice!
After I watching this vid, the content is extremely intelligent. I dig how you should both the static stance and your preferred stance. Also I like that actually show how do your stances.
Thanks for the info.
Great videos, man! Where ya been?
👍 top notch advice
I did exactly your plan for starting small and working my way up the food chain. I began with a 410 then a 20 ga then I just got my first 12 ga. A Moss 500. Of course the 00 buck and 1 oz Foster slug was the two choices of ammo, but that's the dumbass male ego and I ain't never getting rid of that. One thing that I found is to get the stock off of bone and against muscle. Move it down and in so that it's against the large chest muscle and not your collar bone. That really helped. And I got this gel pad called the Recoil Eraser off of Amazon and that was the magic ticket. I also got a shorter stock from Magpul that makes the overall pull a little shorter and more of a tighter package, that brought everything together.
Do you add weight to gun to help take up recoil...add weight to stock or add weight to loading magazine/tube ...???
Thank you for this
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NIce video. Thanks.
Learned a lot from this video
Well done. Just subbed.
10 Ga. is the way to go young man...Great video. Thanks
There are a lot of ways to do things, but for me, a tried and true way to have an unpleasant experience with heavy recoil is to pretend to be an oak tree or something like that. Loosey-goosey will also hurt. Like the guy says here - snug it up but let it rock you back a bit. Nice video!
You can tell he knows his guns because of his belt buckle and accent
😂😂😂
You're absolutely right there's virtually nothing on TH-cam about recoil. Useful info cause when I was in college we shot clays without thinking about recoil...but I'm much older and haven't touched a 12 gauge in so long I've built up a fear factor. Better get out toa range huh?! What about shooting a shotgun from the waist? Have any thoughts on close quarter handling techniques? Thanks!
Which gun does the best.
I shot a 10 gauge as a kid at a turkey shoot and actually won a prize wouldn't say I was the best at using it, but don't be afraid of the gun the funnest experience of shooting guns in my mind is the recoil gives a certain rush of overcoming the fear.
One of the biggest things I have found with recoil management is to have the right gun for the right situation. I made my way here after getting an 18. 5 inch fold over back packing 12 gauge. After being taught proper recoil management I never had much of an issue firing even the larger loads in larger calibers even though they might have a bit of a sting to them but this gun was a beast of a whole new color. It is about 3.5 lbs I ran some 7 and a half 2 3/4 short brass through this thing and it was trying to beat my shoulder to death, left massive bruising, pain in my shoulder blades and even in my neck. The fit wasn't quite right so I adjusted it and it helped a little it. The foregrip was too narrow leaving a pocket underneath between your palm an your grip itself so the muzzle jump with high brass 00 or slugs it would pull the foregrip out of your hand. The stock is a hollow polymer. I added a limb saver that helps a little bit but this thing is just a mule. If you decide on a backpacking shotgun that has that little weight with a streamline stock I would recommend dropping down to maybe a 20 or even a .410.
I just bought a similar gun and watching videos I am
quite apprehensive to say the least. It is not the bird shot
that has me so concerned but the slugs.
@@Harelston Believe it or not the slugs were not too bad. The reason for that being that you so rarely shoot them. Sure, they kick like a Missouri mule on steroids but you never have to shoot much lol. I fired out a 1 oz slug from my midland 12 backpacker and it blew the bead off the front.
@@lowlandraised7266 Thanks for the reply. I particularly wanted midland
shotgun. I hit every online store and possibility that came to mind.
I found nothing but out of stocks. I finally settled on the cheaper
version ati nomad back packer because they could at least be found.
The reviews struck me as less quality but I got the gun for $90.
I am a new gun owner trying to learn online as much as I can.
I have only shot pistols and a 30 30 in my past. Would appreciate
your opinion ...besides the slugs I bought 7.5 bird shot in the hopes
of learning to hunt small game. Should I start out learning the ropes
with the bird shot first before going at it with slugs? I got the gun to
begin with for two reasons. Additional home defense to go with my
9 mm and desire to pick up hunting as something to enjoy with my
son who hunts fairly regularly.
@@Harelston Hi leon! I really hope that I can help. Well I have been a shotgunner my whole life. The area we live in is delta land so we deal mostly with shotguns and brushpopper guns like the .30-30 because it is so thick that the odds of you getting more than a 50 yard shot without being on a game trail is super rare. As for the choice between the Midland and the ATI I think you have made the right choice. I had to return two midlands because they were too light to take the hit from even bird shot and the breech would torque and let gas escape. It was a very dangerous situation. It honestly was just not a very gun gun to have in a larger caliber and the barrels were extremely thin. I still have one that is a .410 and it works fine but I would not go larger than that with a midland. Now, for the last part a shotgun is so versatile you are never going to shoot it the same way twice. How you would shoot a slug at a certain distance or how you would shoot bird shot are gonna be totally different. Even the difference in shot sizes for bird shot will change the way you shoot and of course the choke you use will as well. Do not let me worry you into thinking this is difficult because it isn't. For example my favorite all around shot for any shotgun is a number 6. It gives me a nice pattern but the shot is large enough that I am not digging it out for the next 25 minutes and missing pieces. So if you use that for bird and rabbit and squirrel hunting you will get use to your distances or any leadoff you may need if they are running etc. Now in a perfect world you always want to fire on a still target especially with these single shot backpacking shotguns with short barrels. When it comes to slug hunting the first thing I have to ask is what is the choke on the gun? You do not want it to be too restrictive because it can blow your barrel and secondly ALWAYS fire at a still target or mostly still. Take your time be in a good distance and place your shot just like you would do a rifle. I would go to the range and try some slugs at 50 yards maybe 5 or so and check your pattern and then at around 35 yards maybe try some smaller bottles and then lastly some sporting clays for something like dove. But like I said it is best to get it while it is still by being patient and creeping so you dont have to waste ammo but sometimes you dont have that choice. I hope this helps and if you have any other questions please ask!
@@lowlandraised7266 You are a wealth of knowledge and greatly appreciated.
My biggest concerned after reading your reply is the choke aspect of it.
I certainly don't want to damage the gun or maybe even hurt myself or
anyone else by doing something unsafe. I tried to research my situation
as best as possible. I am still a little bit unclear after all those attempts
however. I know my choke in the improved modified choke. After watching
a guy pushing a slug through a i.m. choke to illustrate what the slug must
pass through . I understand at least a little more of potential problems.
However I also understand that the fact that though it is somewhat difficult it does
not preclude the use of a slug. Now that is what I get from what the guy
was saying. I obviously may not have understood with total clarity.
Anything you can tell me on this would be helpful so that I don't damage
the gun from the jump. That would be the worst thing I can do. If the
gun won't handle the slugs maybe I can sell them or something and
find something more appropriate. I really wanted to get 00 aught buck
but Cabelo's was sold out of it. Again I really appreciate your being
willing to offer help.
When you can take a stage couch double berral with side hammers and load high brass and hold it while firing both berrals at the same time will talk recoil until then the rest is cake walk lol I'm talking crap but have done it on several occasions on a short gun like that you gotta put a hand on top of it to hold it down
Good Shotgun shooting points, thanks.
Thanks +Ron Ehren. I appreciate the comment
How does 12 gauge recoil compare to MG-34 or Mauser 98?
Great video....I teach the same ......exactly the same......absorb the gun and work with it😀
So I was wondering, where exactly do you mount the stock to the shoulder? I do the pocket, but eh... kinda stiff with my beloved 000 buck 3" magnum. I've seen videos of some mall ninjas on here who advocate mounting to various places on the pectoral. some put it just to the inside of the pocket on the pec, while some go so far as to say you should put it almost directly under your shooting eye, just outside of the sternum on the pec (of course that particular guy had pecs like a bodybuilder). have you tried any such variations?
I'm pretty much strictly a shoulder pocket guy ! I've tried the peck mounted shooting and I do not find it comfortable at all ...I find about an inch inside the armpit crease works best for me. As long as I don't start getting on my upper bicep I feel pretty good . what I dislike most about the peck mount is the longer reach to the fore end on pumps ! and in my opinion hard recoil really smarts on your chest.. hope this helps some and thanks for watching.
+BlockShawOutdoors Yeah, I haven't been shooting since I came across the pec technique. It's probably a matter of whether you prefer pain in your muscles or your bones, lol. Most of the big game hunters of old that hunted with .60 caliber double rifles ended up with crippled shoulders, so I guess there aren't any real secrets to recoil management. Oh well, thanks for the reply!
I've been trying to get my cheek on it while it's on my shoulder as well but what I end up having to do is bend my neck and drop my head sideways in order to reach and it's really uncomfortable. If I place it snug against the cheek first and try lifting my elbow to raise my shoulder up it still doesn't work. What am I doing wrong?
People afraid they’d be a wimp to even bring it up.
You get MAN POINTS for speaking up my friend.
Good on you. 👍. Sounds simple but I’ve been looking/waiting for this as a new shotgun owner. BIG THANKS 👍
On the 10 gauge, after a home invasion would you STILL be able to tell the “species of the intruder” after he was met with a 3 1/2” TWO oz. MAGNUM payload? 🙂
I shot a 12 buck shot the first time I shot. The kick was strong as hell, but after that, rifle recoil wasn't so bad
In shotguns, that 10 gauge with 3.5" shells delivers roughly 61-63 lbs of felt recoil. A 12 gauge with a 3" magnum will hit you at something between 52-54 lbs of felt recoil. A 20 gauge with a 3" shell will hit you at nearly 30 lbs of felt recoil.
In rifles, my all time favorite the .257 Roberts dishes out a severe 12 lbs of recoil and I've killed a butt load of deer with it over the years. Moving up the scale, a .30-06 will hit you with around 20 lbs of recoil, a .375 H&H with around 37-38 lbs of felt recoil and a .416 Remington comes in at around 53 lbs of felt recoil.
The recoil from any of these gauges or calibers will vary up or down depending upon the type of shell or cartridge you are using, upon the physical weight of the gun you're shooting and as this gent points out so clearly....your shooting stance. It should also be stated that typically a shotgun's recoil is a bit slower than that of a high velocity rifle cartridge. It's more of a hard push as opposed to a hard punch.
You must lean into the gun and remain flexible in the knees to absorb the heavy stuff but when you've learned to shoot them properly, even a kid can handle the push.
I owned a Mossberg 12 gauge pump once. It's a large frame gun so I cut the stock down and took it turkey hunting without shooting it before hand. No turkeys but a crow flew into a tree in response to my calling and I decided I'd pop that crow. I'm accustomed to recoil and it doesn't bother me but that shortened stock caused my right thumb to be closer to my face than it would normally be and when I touched the trigger that 55+/- recoil pushed my right hand into my nose and I was covered in nose blood in an instant. Surprised the crap out of me and I had to explain to my wife that I wasn't hurt although my right eye turned black and blue. I traded that thing and never looked back and I've used 20 gauges ever since. For the game I hunt the smaller gauges do just as well in the hands of a guy who knows what he's doing.
What about 12 Gauge 3.5" Magnum shell? How much Lb felt recoil it generate?
Thank you for you reply to his video. I have a soft shoulder, and am looking at different gauges! Your info has certainly helped!
Alright, 3” birdshot out of a Shockwave without a stock.
Bought a short barrel 12 gauge because it was 94 dollars. Now I learned that the short barrel is increasing recoil. Gotta live with it I guess.
I've shot a lot of 12 gauge 3" slug rounds. Just got my .338 Win Mag. How hard will it kick comparatively?
I can't be sure the recoil energy of the slugs without knowing the shotgun weight and the particular slug you shoot, but I would imagine the energy would be somewhere in the 40-55 foot pound range in your average 12 ga... Just a ballpark guess tho. The average 338 win mag is gonna be between 30-40 foot pounds, but a sharper recoil than a shotgun which is more of a quick push type recoil. 338 win mag is DEFINITELY a rifle that you have to be careful of the scope popping you in the eye from the shooting rest. So just give yourself a decent eye relief and you should be fine.
@@blockshawoutdoors7472 Thanks! My only shotgun is the Benelli M4. And the .338 is the Sako Brown Bear, I plan to hunt with it (I have a .223 Sako for target practice) and the intention is to sight it in with iron sights and see how it goes from there.
I want to work up from number 7 birdshot 12 guage
All weapon systems require and parallel relationship......boomsticks need a little more💥
I like Jesika Hook or Hickok 45 but like this... it's ok
Anyone know what's a good shot for a bad back? (Low Recoil) Birdshot? Target loads? I have 2 bulging discs in my lower back, but I don't want to miss out on shotguns.They seem like alot of fun. I'm thinking of getting a
Maverick 88 12ga.
Did you get it?
Tom Not yet. You thinking of buying one?
@@Seekingtruth-mx3ur no was just curious. I already got a mossberg 500
Tom Nice,I would like to buy one myself,but I have back issues.I need something recoil friendly.
@@Seekingtruth-mx3ur I hear ya. I don't know how much you can handle but my 500 ain't bad at all even with bucks and slug. Only thing is 3 inch rounds. They kinda hurt.
I love the Irish accent.
Why does a 10 gauge have more recoil than the 12 gauge?
Yuri Danylko more powder and lead! 8 gauge = more power and recoil than a 10 gauge and so on . but that being said, most 12 gauges are much lighter than a 10, so a 3 1/2 in magnum in a 7.5 lb 12 ga might have more felt recoil than a heavy weight 10 ga
When it comes to shotguns, the smaller the number, the bigger the bullet. 28 gauge has the least(excluding 410) 20, then 16 then 12 then 10 has the most
Just like I was taught in the police academy in 1974.
Thanks for commenting Ronald Dane . I really appreciate your service as a policeman ! It's such a huge risk and responsibility our Officers face every day and with very little credit in return. Thanks for watching and commenting , have a great day .
i was shocked the first time i shot a 12 g pump up from SA.
Nice video. The first time I shot my friends BPS in 10 ga it was amazing.
Super helpful! I’ve watched your video multiple times and have learned more from it than from any other video addressing recoil management. Thanks very much. You do a great job explaining and showing.
And isn't it odd when shooting at game, you can't remember the felt recoil.
10 gauge = Awesome 👍
My dad has a 357 magnum for home defense
So,, mounting to my forehead is just wrong??
No, try mounting it on your crotch because that is the center most part of your body.
every time he says recoil take a drink.
Good message but you say "Uh" or "and uh" every fifth word . . .