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I was shooting 458 Lott the other day. I didn’t think it recoiled too bad until I watched slow motion video. It looked like my shoulder was detaching from my body.
Same thing here when shooting my .460 Weatherby mag. Recoil was nothing, until I saw the video my wife was taking of me shooting it. In fact the recoil wasn't to bad at all until the day I decided to shoot 20 rounds during one trip to the range, then my shoulder hurt so bad for a few days that I couldn't even pull the lever on my reloader.
He said put multiple rounds in that animal with that rifle. Damn. I might run. Lol.
I’ll bet that kicks a LOT, doesn’t it?
I’ll bet that kicks a LOT, doesn’t it?
@@johncox2865 a LOTT indeed.
You do a really good job of presenting your information Ron. From production value, to your way with words, we appreciate your time and effort. Thank you and keep up the good work!
Thanks A!
Agreed! Excellent info to pace ratio.👍
Best wishes from Australia 🇦🇺
@RonSpomerOutdoors, will you please go over this topic on a future podcast episode? I'm sure countless people would appreciate your wise tips and advice. Thank you, sir.
It's funny, I used to be very recoil shy, and I sold the 270 I had because I was becoming a bad shooter (couldn't hit the side of a barn with it, yet in the past I was head shotting at 200m without even trying on a 222)
I spent a while using a shotgun with 300gr solids doing 1800fps, and I thought it kicked fairly hard, but it didn't matter as I was only using a red dot for close game.
I tried a guys 375H&H and man, it felt like a 22 compared to my shotgun. Recoil is definitely something you get used to over time.
Excellent vid, very informative and as usual delivered in a simple, no showbiz or Bull***t manner. Ron your shooting vids are clearly amongst the very best on TH-cam 👍👍👍👍
Many thanks Swish.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors I agre grate chanel but the episode came as a shock
Great demonstration. I get a lot of strange looks when I practice with my .460 Weatherby mag because of the fact that the gun doesn't appear to recoil that much. The gun weighs 12lbs with the scope and full mag and also has a muzzle break. The best fun at the gun range is when my 125lb son takes out my .300 win mag and shoots a few rounds out of it. No flinch and no recoil. Of course the gun weighs 18.5 lbs and has about the same recoil as his .410. In our house we actually do what we call "flinch" traing where we never load our own mags and the person loading the mag is allowed to place snap caps into the mag, the can put in however many they want or none at all. I teaches us to always have the same hold and after hearing the laughter of the others at the range when they hear a click and see the muzzle of the gun pointing straight up into the air we are to embarrassed to ever flinch again.
300 Win mag is kind of my limit. I normal shoot 7mm Remington, 30-06, 25-06 and 30-30. My hunting revolver is a Ruger SRH in 480 Ruger. I have shot 3.5 inch turkey loads with tight chokes that thumped me pretty good. Being comfortable with the recoil is part of being competent with your rifle.
I love my SAKO 85 in .338 Win Mag. Like you said, Ron, it's a hunting rifle, therefore we don't need to shoot it a lot. One time I did, though. Just as an experiment and to practice. I shot 30 rounds of 230 gr Oryxes out of it, and I must say, I'm happy I did. Sure, my shoulder was pretty sore the next day, but noting too bad. I felt like I really got to know my rifle and fell in love with it. It gives you much needed confidence.
With every large caliber, you gotta lean into the rifle a bit and let it rock you. Regarding the .375 H&H, there's something magical about it. Even though it's a heavier bullet and longer case than a .338 Win Mag it somehow feels more like a shove than a snappy kick. Might be wrong, but that's my experience.
I have been practicing with my RSM /.416 Rigby. Shoot cycle the action and shoot again. I’m at 2 center mass hits in 6 seconds and I have finally become comfortable with the recoil. Very excited to go on safari in a few years! Thanks for the great video!
Well done, Mark.
Why not shoot the big game with a camera? Do everybody a favor. Watching elephant hunting on YT is enough, even too much, for me. Some of those shooters go mad with a big gun. The big bores are best for collecting and plinking.
@@jamesparlane9289
Safari hunting is a regulated endeavor that does many wonderful things for the local people, the bigger the animal (like an elephant) the better. Harvesting something like an elephant is done by selecting an older animal, so it permits a healthier gene pool. Also, when something like that is taken, word is spread throughout the local villages who all come to the kill site to gather high calorie meat for their hungry families. Because animals are taken on a regular basis, it prevents poaching. The fees for Safari hunting provides salaries for local people who often work as trackers, cooks, houseworkers, and professional hunters who otherwise would have no means of providing for their families in such remote and depressed areas. Fees also pay for land conservation and anti-poaching efforts.
There's not single negative aspect to Safari hunting; it is conservation at its finest.
@@jamesparlane9289 well said!
@@lawrencestanley8989 great explanation but many people wont listen to sound reasoning
I’ve got a .270 in a fairly light, synthetic stock and it’s really quite pleasant to shoot. If I shot it all day I think most of the pain would be in my wallet. But that’s comparing it to my other hunting rifle, which is a heavier, wood stocked, cz52 Mauser in .35 Whelen. That one hurts to shoot from the bench, but is fairly manageable shot off hand. Also, that one is zeroed for hornady superformance 200gr, which is kind of a spicy meatball.
I so much enjoy the show, information and how it is relay. With a doubt the number one viewing spot. Great job Ron.
Thank you merton.
458 lott is truly amazing
Really happy that you included the 458 Lott when you had it available. Definitely a step up from the rest of the group.
Took my customer and his sako 85 safari in .500 Jeffrey to the range the other day by far the heaviest recoiling gun i felt. A 10gauge 3 1/2 inch with 2 and 1/2 oz load felt like nothing compared to the Jeffery but as you said you're only putting a handful of shots when hunting so its bearable zeroing it was interesting to say the least. I believe the Jeffery out of that gun and 575grain ammo is over 110ftlbs of recoil energy.
I went from being nervous about shooting a .22 Mag when I was a boy to being a recoil junkie. Favorite guns are .44 Magnum revolvers and a couple big boomers of the 9.3mm Variety.
My 300 WM is a stainless Ruger with a synthetic stock. The stock is not shaped like the typical synthetic stock but is thinner like a skeleton stock. I was amazed at how comfortable it was to shoot compared to the first 7mm RM that I owned. Stock configuration and overall weight certainly make a difference in the comfort when shooting the various cartridges. Thank you Ron for this very informative demonstration of recoil.
I have a 458 Win Mag that came in a Ramline stock. It booted like a MULE with a headache!! I tamed it by haing a timber stock custom made with a cast that draws the recoil away from my cheek. The gunsmith also scalloped the cheekpiece to fit my face/hold. He also inletted a metal bar into the foregrip to reduce muzzle jump. NOW that my 458 Win Mag is tamed, the recoil - even with full DG loads (72gr of AR2206H driving 500gr Woodleigh RNSNs) - is similar to my 9.3x62. That stock is the BEST $800 bucks I've ever spent. 👍
+1 for the idea of a comparison video on shotgun recoil for various loads from skeet loads to slugs to turkey loads. Grew up in a shotgun only state and knowing how various rifles/cartridge combos compare to various shot shells would have been very useful when I went shopping for my first center-fire hunting rifle.
Only cartridge i ever fired that truly kicked was the 460 weatherby magnum
One of my favorite videos to date.
funny this comes along I just dumped 2 cylinders of 340 grain 44 mag into a burm. Buffalo bore and underwood +p+ the Buffalo bore felt worse, the underwood was very pleasant.
I'm waiting of my magnum research bfr in 450 marlin to arrive tomorrow. can't wait to feel the difference.
Terrific video! Thank you, Mr. Spomer!
Grace and Peace 😊
They knew how to handle recoil in the old days. I have two Ballards that weigh 14 pounds, 45-70 and 38-55.
Excellent!!! You know your math. You take into account the weight of the gun (in conjunction with the force of the cartridge) to show us the recoil energy. It's so informative to get all that data.
Random TH-cam analytics brought me here. The clear step by step narration and the interesting explanation of recoil kept me here to the end
The most painful recoil I've felt is my Ruger # 3 45-70 with 400 grainers loaded to 2200 FPS. The rifle only weighs 6.5 lbs. This is in a side-by side comparison with the 460 Weatherby with 500 grainers at 2650 FPS. The Weatherby did have a muzzle brake.
In addition to rifle weight and stock design a big factor in felt recoil is the recoil pad. All of your centerfire rifles had a good one on them. When you shoot one with a plastic or metal buttplate it really ups the pain.
Thanks for sacrificing your shoulder for the good of the rest of us :) I do about half of my hunting with a model 71 in .348 win. It's fun to hunt with but not very fun to shoot at the bench.
If anyone shot 50 rounds of 458 Lott in one day their shoulder would hurt less than their wallet.
Great watching you as always Ron. My moose rifle is an Sauer in 9.3x62 at 8 pounds, shooting 286 grains. Shooting standing is not a problem, but it's the upper limmit what i feel pleasent with and still can shoot sub Moa groups with. It's about 30 footpounds in recoil energy.
Great cartridge and yes it's a stout one off the bench. .375H&H is far more comfortable. But the 9,3x62 is a fantastic round.
Thanks for the video Ron, good representation of recoil. I always come away learning more than I knew before after watching your videos. They're highly entertaining just like your hunting stories!
Great clip Ron, very graphic and right on the facts.
Great video- thanks Ron
I have shot 50Cal out of a custom target rifle at a 1000 Yards and 72 rounds over two days will bruise the shoulder , but the wallet hurts more . Great videos , enjoy watching them .
My 416 Remington and 416 Taylor do kick when doing load development off the bench. I believe you can train yourself to handle recoil. Before I owned the 416’s the 375 H&H was the largest I shot. I never thought the 375 was very bad recoil wise. 416’s definitely are more pronounced on the bench. Practicing while standing up though is a whole new ballgame, and doesn’t really cause any issues. Going through 20 rounds of load development on the bench the shoulder pads help a lot.
I have 416 Rigby made CZ 550 and it was too front heavy .So i made it little lighter .But trying few rounds it felt moore kicker and there was a minor issue with scope..So i decided to use " iron rings " actually 3pc. Now it is good to shoot .
There's not nearly enough content about recoil. Great video 👍
Thanks for putting the specs up alongside the resultant videos, great depiction thanks Ron.
Thanks Ron,..ive always enjoyed your content.
Nicely thought out video..well done
458 Lott, what a fun looking cannon that is! I would love to own one. However a 300 Win Mag or equivalent would satisfy my need to go boom as well. Thanks for another cool video Ron. 😎👍
I thought that a . 300 win mag would be big enough for me to. That was until the local Scheels had a .460 Weatherby mag. My wife said that I drooled over the rifle so much that the store "forced" her to buy it for me.
@@gimpyRW Lol, ✌️😎👍
Excellent video demonstrating the different recoils.
The .45-70 government will always be my favorite rifle cartridge. The ability to shoot faster 325 gr Hornady FTX rounds all the way up to you’re more standard 405 gr Core-Lokt bullets or hard cast lead bullets weighing in over 600 gr is just amazing.
There is no better gun in the thick pine forests of the southeast where I hunt than a break action .45-70 (like the Henry I take into the woods every year.)
It’s extremely short and easy to manipulate in the thick of it and in a stand, it is ridiculously lightweight, and it’s handle any load I’ve put in it without fail. Sure, it’s only one shot, but I’ve never had to trail a deer very far after taking that one round, and the recoil isn’t nearly as bad in my mind as what I feel when I’m out with one of my pump 12 gauges, especially not with turkey loads.
Try the 444 in Hornady 265. Grain litte bit faster then the 4570 but seems to have more kick
Cool video!
Ron, What I’m wanting any of the ammo companies to develop is a round with the recoil of a 223Rem and the down range performance of a 500NE, I’d like it to fit in a standard M70 action! I keep seeing the same stuff recycled over and over, simply boring! If they want to impress me, make my imaginary round.
I have a few 22’s, a 7x57, and a 375HH currently so if I do anything, I’ll upgrade optics.
If Federal, Hornady, or Winchester want me to start shooting a new round, they’re going to actually develop something; rehashing the 6.5x55 and 270 for the Nth time just doesn’t make me feel like spending money…
Again, Ron, great video!
Ron, good video. I was expecting it to be boring, but naturally your humor and wit kept it interesting. I'm glad you even explained checking the barrel stamp and head stamp. Both new shooters and seasoned shooters probably need that. I would have like to seen what a 12 ga. pump does on the line graph on the barn for comparison. Keep up the good work.
Cheers, Jeff
Very, very, very interesting.
Hi Ron. Something you might try. What I am about to describe works extremely well when firing from the under arm assault position and should work well for shooting from what my agency calls, “standing shoulder” position.
Basically it could be called the “push-pull method.” We discovered this method almost by accident while waiting for a shotgun class to show up at The Federal Law Enforcement Training Center near Brunswick, Ga. Several of us were trying to fire five rounds from an 870 Remington before the first ejected casing hit the ground. (These were #9 skeet loads). To have the best chance to accomplish that we had to cant the 870 slightly to the left (we were all three right handed) while keeping the butt stock clamped against our sides under our forearms. The only way possible to accomplish that feat was to pull forward with the left hand on the slide and back with the right hand on the pistol grip with as much opposing force as one can muster while firing.
Instead of the 870 coming back toward the shooter under recoil and exhibiting significant muzzle rise, it will barely move to the rear and exhibit almost no muzzle rise. Magic? Nope, just recoil management, and it works.
Kent Williams
(1) With the 870 tilted slightly to the left, your hands-forearms (absorbed) took most of the recoil away from your shoulder.?
(2) Did you put the buttstock directly "on" your shoulder or "below" your shoulder under your armpit.?
I get it. Now we all know your a rifleman. Lol. Ron doesn’t need to try it.
I can't explain it, but to me a 180 grin projectile from a .300 Win Mag seems to deliver worse felt recoil than a 250 grainer from a .338 Win Mag, in comparable rifles.
🗣Hi Bob, …yes Sir, something about the the .300WM that THUMPS the shoulder. I had my Gunsmith install a really soft Pachmyer recoil pad and 4 viles of hydraulic fluid into the stock and for arm of my RUGER .338WM. Made a BIG DIFFERENCE in the recoil. Felt recoil energy is now just above the
30/06 and below the .300WM. 🇺🇸
All I can say is my hat is off to all of you who shoot things bigger than the 375 H&H. Standing behind a Rigby or Lott does not sound like fun.
LOL! Not fun, but tolerable and kind of handy if you really need to put a big hole way through really big things….😁
@@raleighthomas3079 Oh, I'm quite sure it would bring a big piece of mind in certain situations. But as the man said " A man needs to know his limitations." Thanks for the laugh.
Ron, I swear the more videos I watch of you the more certain I am that we either grew up closer in age or was raised the same way & taught the same way about guns. Your walnut stocks w/Gold Ring Leu’s & shooting Winchester Ammo (factory), is my bread n’ butter, go-to everyday style of hunting or target shooting. Now of course I have hand loads but I don’t just push them down range as quickly as I can. I tend to save those for serious hunts or when I have to “teach someone a lesson”, in the good-hearted “Whose the BEST shot”, game than any guy plays with friends & family. Again, not bragging but I got to noticing when me & my pals would talk about hunting, deer, varmints, whatever; I’d hear almost in the background someone would say “yeah with the ole scalpel”, and go on about the conversation. One day 1 of the guys said that & I stopped him and asked him what he meant by that. He said “that’s what we refer to you & your Ruger M77 Mk-II .22 Hornet by”, when we say that. I was very flattered but I wished they wouldn’t say that. Come to find out I’d purchased some land down in this small community where I’d grown up as a kid that was on Spring Creek & the wildlife was amazing. Well we’d be driving by my property & one of the guys would say “there’s ole Hornet Ridge”, as we’d pass by. I did the same thing, what do you mean? Um, all us guys call your place & that hill there “Hornet Ridge”. I was like when did this start being a thing? He said not sure who or when but all of us when we come up this way refer to the hill on your place as “Hornet Ridge”. Well, that’s been several years ago & I’ve moved north into the adjoining county to the north. I live by a creek yet again, 2 actually Cowskin & Beaver Creek’s, and wouldn’t you know when we got 911 Emergency Services I named my driveway “Hornet Ridge Road”. That’s a shocker, huh??? Lol Loved the video & thought your presentation was really good especially for people that do not get to shoot a broad range of calibers as to give them a good idea of what to expect. As always Ron, Take Care!!!!
Great video, as always. It would have been nice to throw some shotgun loads in there, like an 870 with slugs and slug barrel or a turkey or goose load for comparison. site your slug gun in off a bench and then tell me how hard that 270 kicks. :)
I love my big guns and actually prefer shooting them over some of the light fast ones. I have a Ruger #1 458 Lott, Ruger Hawkeye African in 375 Ruger, and smaller m77 rifles in 25-06 and 30-06 love those too great video Ron!
I’d love to see a video like this with common Midwestern hunting guns. 20g rifled slug, 12g sabot slug, & 450 bushmaster
That's a neat comparison video. Thanks for that!
Ever since rubber recoil pads replaced metallic and hard plastic butt plates, recoil is easier to digest. “Rolling with it” essentially
reduces some of the discomfort of recoil. Although I’ve found that just leaning into the shot and follow through are more consistent . I just absorb whatever I’m shooting and live with it. The rocking back method lets the muzzle rise too much. But another good video by Ron. Thanks.
"The rocking back method..."
Exactly why this is such a shit video.
Great vid Ron.
Great video. I think if you are shooting from a bench in sitting position you’d feel the recoil more on the 30-06, and up calibers. . Especially a 3” 12 gauge slug in a light shotgun.
Which is why I put my ammo and bag of "stuff" on the bench at the range, but I stand up and shoot in the "offhand" position, with a sling keeping the rifle snug in. Much better way to shoot the firearm, especially if you are trying to practice for hunting. The rifle rocks backwards instead of thumps.
"Bench-rest" shooting position is not a natural way to hold a rifle. Your neck is kinked. Your shoulder/arm are in an awkward position, and the stock-weld is usually wrong, especially for the guys with scopes.
For a sitting position, I sit in the military shooting match position. On the ground, legs crossed, knees up in front of yourself, with elbows between the knees. Good, stable position.
I like a 300 Win Mag and like a 300 rum TOO
Helps to have a good butt-pad on the stock and know how to shoulder the rifle properly. Those .458s can have a wicked bite! I've warned my colleagues if you don't shoulder it properly, it can dislocate your shoulder.
Definitely a lot of factors especially weight of the rifle. Out of the 7mm mag, 300 mag and the .338 Lapua I’ve had, the .338 kicked the least but the rifle was about twice the weight as the other two
I have a French MAS-36 in 7.5x54. It’s very heavy for how small the rifle is. The recoil is so light it’s surprising every time I shoot it.
I went on a shooting trip with a few guys and one guy complained about the recoil and how much his shoulder hurt at the end of day 2. He had only fired about 20 rounds out of a .308 the same as me and I had zero problems. Next day I watched him shoot and discovered the problem. To avoid the recoil he was holding the butt of the rifle about an inch off his shoulder.
Leversguns50 was also doing a similar comparison on his 45-70 / 45-90 / and last but Not least his beautiful 50-110 .
Found it very educational good 👍 work ..!
Don't agree necessary on type of hunting other to feed one self or others. But the art of the mechanics and the challenge that's what makes it fun.
Great video as always learning new things the design of stocks 😮! Gotta go look at mine.
Good gun fit and proper shooting technique makes recoil put a smile on your face.👍
Once again a great video. Entertaining and informative. Seeing is believing. With the single exception of a British Enfield from the 1870s in 450. I believe the 30/06 is probably the most powerful caliber in my collection as far as factory ammunition goes. I do have a couple of 8mm Mausers and one 8mm Lebel that technically have larger bores but in modern factory loads. I will still go with the grand old 30/06. I'm never going to hunt Africa or the big bears up north, so I believe anyone of my 06s, my 270 Winchester or my 25/06, 308s or 30/40 will do just fine for anything walking around the Central Pennsylvania woods. My son in law only has 2 centerline rifles an old Mosin I gave him and his deer rifle, a Winchester model 70 in 257 Robertsand it has never failed to kill a deer he shot with it. If you are hunting something that needs more power than the 06, we'll more power to you, but if not why beat yourself up. I've seen folks hunting deer with both the 300 Win Mag and the 7mm Remington magnum. Personally I consider that self abuse but it is not my 72 year old arthritic shoulder being abused. My daughter in law injured her shoulder had to give up her Remington 760 in 308 because the recoil was too great for her. So she switched to an AR 10 style rifle in 308 and the action absorbes enough recoil that she can hunt again. While a couple of years ago her daughter took an Elk with a 338 Lapua. Different strokes for different folks. Even though I personally will never shoot one of those really powerful rifles I really enjoyed this video.
Such a simple and effective test with a slow mo camera, legend ✌️
Very interesting thank you.
I like the direction your going with rifles your show was informative and entertaing
Great video Ron! Practice, practice, practice! No matter what rifle and caliber combination you are planning to hunt with, you can learn how to mitigate that recoil for your own comfort and recovery for scoping the effect of the first shot on your quarry and assessing whether a follow up shot or two may be necessary for a humane and safe kill. I cant wait to see your next video on managing recoil.
We have a 4 bore/4 ga. We use it to cure folks who think their gun kicks too much. After a 1/4lb. Bullet in the 4bore, they decide their gun doesn't kick as much as they thought.
Ron when hunting dangerous game or less threatening game when they are closer to you is it not better to have a open sighted rifle as opposed to a scoped rifle so it is easier to sight in the prey before they are on top of you and deliver the shot ...
Not absolutely. A proper scope can make target acquisition easier than a rear and front sight and target alignment. If you can snap shoot your rifle much like a shotgun, it can be faster, but with a 1.5X to 2X scope the reticle (aiming point) and target are both instantly in focus. Some find an illuminated red dot aiming point is even better.
Great 👍 Video 📹 👏 458 Lott... tip over anything on the planet 🌏
I remember first shooting my .308 (1st hunting rifle)…man that was a somewhat scary recoil. After my first box of 150gr shots, it was comfortable too shoot. I’ve never had anything over 175gr in it but it’s a hoot. Even my wife will take a few shots with it on a bag or bipod.
Hey Ron great video and greetings from NY. You just helped me make up my mind about getting a Tikka T3x in 3006. Was worried about the recoil but after watching I think ill be ok lol.My thinking is im getting older 58, is much easier to carry around a lite rifle . And maybe 50 rounds in a sitting with 150 gr at range. Thank you and Merry Christmas.
Another great video from you, Ron! Thanks!
My 270win is really mild. Ron I have an Ultra Light Arms in 375 h&h. Haven't shot it yet. Pray for me.
Excellent Ron as always.
Great video. 👍👍
That was so fun!
my wife is 5' 2 and 115lb and can shoot a 12gauge no problem its all in how you hold it and footing. Make sure you keep Your elbow in too.
Great video!!!
Good video
Haha, that wheelbarrow o'guns.. 😆👌
I also have a Lott, a CZ 550 American, with the laminated stock. Iron sights, it’s dead on at 50 yds on a golf ball Targetspot paster.
5+1 with the sow belly mag stock. A huge problem boar hog on our lease has a date with destiny.😁
Off hand isn’t too bad, but the 32.5 ft/lbs at 16.7 fps from a 430 grain cast bullet driven by 40 grains of powder from my 7.5 pound Marlin 1895 in .45-70 starts giving me a headache after 4-5 rounds off of the bench.
Found your channel recently and have enjoyed many of your vids so far. You have a new sub.
Recoil is felt more when you are sitting leaned forward and shooting off a rest. I have a light weight 30.06 that will bruise your shoulder when you shoot it off a bench rest so I wear a shoulder pad.
How do you learn to shoot and not flinch from recoil? It's like the old joke about the guy with a violin who asks a cab driver in New York City, "How do you get to Carnegie Hall?"
- "Practice, practice, practice..."
Awesome video, Ron! Thanks, as always, for the quality content.
Always love your content, thanks Ron!
My Husqvarna 9.3 x 62 has a decent whack, but it’s great!
Hi Ron I got a 370 and I love it he a shork
Breaks make a big difference!
Best recoil vid ever.
Ron, I would like to make a video suggestion or request if you will. Going along with the upcoming video of managing recoil, I think a very useful video would be learning to control flinch and how to recover if you have developed a flinch to no longer have one. I do pretty well myself, but I have a couple friends that flinch something fierce. One of then is really bad and I would like to find ways to help them out. Great video!!
I've shot everything from .22 to the .458 win mag with a 500gr bullet and personally I shoot a .338 win mag and .35 Whelen with 180 to 300 gr bullets. So far I haven't developed a flinch and I've got a screwed up shoulder.
IMO, you should make a video on what guns are best to buy to be the foundation for a gun collection, especially someone who
1. Doesn't wanna buy too many guns
2. Likely new to guns and hunting
Maybe you should check out his videos before saying what he should do
Most people ive met are flinched more off of the sound with improper ear protection
Falcon Strike recoil pads helps greatly
Thank you for yet another fantastic video, Mr Spomer. I wonder what your opinion might be on this. I was born and grew up in India and learned to shoot there, back when big bore rifles could still be encountered in personal ownership. I now live in the US where I moved a long time ago, and the biggest rifle that I own is a 458 Lott CZ 550. What I learned in India from old timers there was somewhat different from what we're taught here, and the Brits also seemed to build their rifles so that they would rise more than the straight back recoil design that we prefer here. While shooting offhand, I learned that facing the target with both feet roughly side by side with my knees slightly bent and a firm hold but allowing the rifle to hit and rise would help disperse a portion of the recoil vertically instead of back into my shoulder. Also, I was taught to work the bolt on boltguns while the rifle was moving up and slam it shut as it came down to point it at the target and get a follow up shot off, something that works quite fast once you get the hang of it. Later I would learn that in the pre muzzle brake / porting era, the Brits also used clockwise rifling to twist the rifle away from the cheek when it was fired.
I can comfortably shoot up to 375 H&H this way, sir, though my own 458 seems to defy the comfortable sensation of smaller caliber rifles partially because it is a much more powerful round, and partly, I am guessing because of its stock design with the straight back recoil that is preferred here? I don't know whether mine is a case of just being familiar with what I learned to shoot as a boy and as a young man many decades ago, or whether the claimed advantages of both the design and the both shoulders pointing forward, feet pointing in the same direction with knees bent technique helps with a stock designed to rise. I would appreciate your views. Thank you again for always sharing your very substantial experience. God bless you, sir!
Ron as always you describe firearms and explain everything extremely well . I do however have an issue with my .270 W Remington model 700. The vintage is about 1989 and it's the Ryonite synthetic stock based on a custom gun from the factory. The gun isn't light ,but it kicks like a mule. The rifle gave me shooters flinch . I was told the .270 didn't kick much , but not this rifle. I was shooting primarily a 130 grain ,but before an Elk hunt I did step up to a 150 . There really wasn't that much difference. The group I went with had a two 300 Win mags and one has a 340 Weatherby mag . My .270 out kicked all of them. We were sighting in and I sighted in all of them and shot them all. The other three pushed but didn't have the sharp punch like the .270. None had muzzle brake. None shot my .270 and didn't believe the kick so I told them to shoot it . Two shot it. The first guy complained about his shoulder hurting. The second guy I warned him that he was too close to the scope ,but he didn't listen and it ringed him above his eye. I really don't have much to complain about the rifle because it took a 5x5 bull at 500 yards our trip. I don't remember it kicking when I shot the bull. What's up with this rifle ❓
Your 270's stock is the problem. Go and get a bell and carlson weatherby style stock with a nice recoil pad and problem solved. Or if that's too much $$$, get a limbsaver et al. recoil pad fitted to your length of pull and probably an addon padded cheekpad if the scope sits high for you. This solves the same problem. Some stocks are just poorly designed as sold, especially skinny steel or plastic butt pad types on the shoulder, and "punch you in the face" cheek pieces. So you either change the stock altogether or add stuff to it.
Just my opinion. Let's see what Ron says.
@@notsofast60 The design is from a factor custom rifle. . My cousin has a 300 W. The rifle looks identical,but the stock is fiber glass with a green rough or checked finish. Mine is a solid mold .Both are factory free floated with Monte Carlo stock. I think it was called the Mountain rifle and the barrel length is pretty short for a saddle holster and nicely matted . I really appreciate the input . Someone said to muzzle brake it, but it's drilled and tapped for iron sights. I've seen the same model rifle used by SWAT snipers many times still to date . What's strange is it isn't light at all. Thanks again ❗ I don't shoot it a lot but maybe I would if it didn't kick so bad . 😎
What a great video, cheap up dispelling these myths man.
I remember your video shooting the .458 Lott. You made several comments about the recoil. Remember next time you’re shooting those dangerous game rounds and your arm is hanging limp at your side, it’s only part recoil the rest is in your brain pan from getting shaken so bad from that real recoil. I’m jealous of all those calibers you get to play with. That is one sexy looking .30-06. It would sure look good in my safe. Bet she is a pricey gal, but still gorgeous.