Remington 870 VS Mossberg 500 - which one is better?
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- Today I will be comparing the two most popular pump action shotguns of all time, the Remington 870 and the Mossberg 500. While I can compare these shotguns and give my personal opinions, only you can decide which shotgun works best for you. Thanks for watching and have a great day!
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I have both the Remington 870 and the Mossberg 500. I have experimented with many different stocks, forends, sights and barrels, and both brands are equally reliable. Both are of equal quality and durability. Mossberg has a two-sided extractor, which is good but Remington’s single extractor is perfectly adequate. My preference is the Remington 870, and like most gun nuts, I can’t point to a specific reason. The 870 is used by countless police forces, but there is no claim that the Mossberg shotgun is in any way inferior. The US Military uses both shotguns, although the military requires the Mossberg 590 model. It has a heavier barrel, which the Navy requested for on-ship combat, so I have read. Remington has a huge aftermarket of parts and tacticool widgets, but Mossberg also has a large aftermarket. So, friends, take your pick and you will have an outstanding shotgun.
your a fine man both guns are good
I have a tac -13 I love its base! Also have a Remington bolt 30-06 dad got me for my 16th A lot of American history with the company damn shame some of the crap we have seen past year with lawsuits and politics.
My parents gifted me with a brand new Mossy 500A combo (it came with a bird barrel, and a slug barrel) for my 21st b-day. Over 40 years later, it is my go-to shotgun, and I took another deer with it this year. It's a smoothbore slug barrel that prints a standard paper plate at 100 yds every shot; less than 6" groups with open sights. The action is smooth as butter, and I can cycle it one-handed (which I don't advise). I love that gun, it's a keeper. YMMV, and invariably will...
Just purchased a 500 over a 870 today! I've owned, hunted with, and shot both shotguns over the last five decades and found the 500 to be the better shotgun FOR ME. I'm looking forward to next years deer, bird, and small game season back home in South Carolina where my 500 will be put to good use I'm sure. Great video as usual! Keep 'em comin'!
I've never seen a Mossberg. My Dad, three friends and me, own Remingtons. Two of them have the 1100, the others including me have the 870s. I have three 870s in 12, 20 and .410. The 12ga 870 is a Wingmaster that my Dad gave it to me 30 years ago. It belonged to my uncle, later my Dad used it a lot, then me and now my sons. I shot thousand of rounds with it, and it's still in the original condition. They are really good shotguns.
I also have an Ithaca 37, Winchester Model 97, 12 and 50, Baikal O/U, Silver Eagle SE17 and a Savage 775A.
A great video!! The best comparison of these two guns I’ve seen on youtube!! Informative and love the shooting demo...entertaining without being over done. Just right!
I bought a 870 express 30 yrs ago, she's done in alot of quail in her day. still looks great and shoots great. great shows man!
Cant choose? Typically if you're an objective first time buyer this is a HUGE decision with tons of mixed information. I was professionally trained and carried the 870 while working and personally own 2 mossberg 500's so ive used both guns a lot. The single biggest difference for a new shooter will likely be the ergonomics.
The safety on the mossberg is located on the top of the receiver while the 870 places it near the trigger guard more traditionally. The difference in the safety placement will make the mossberg favored by most left handed shooters. While you CAN get a left handed 870 they are often more rare and more expensive. The second difference is where the carrier release is located. For shooters with large hands the mossberg offers a very comfortable carrier release where the thumb rests but for men with average sized hands or females the remingtons carrier release is located right infront of the trigger guard which is often more accessible. This is an especially important consideration if you're purchasing a tactical variant of one of these guns - the mossbergs carrier release on a tact shotgun is especially clunky when placed beside a pistol grip. The third difference ive noticed is the shell gate on the remington and the absence of the gate on the mossberg. Often new shooters will find they pinch their fingers while trying to load shells into the remington. This can be a very big issue for females with long finger nails.
Realistically this is a preferential choice that is incredibly hard to make when you have no gun experience to draw from. As a default I would suggest left handed shooters, males with large hands and shooters with opposite ocular dominance to the dominance of their hand to consider mossberg and make an effort to study/shoot a mossberg first. I would suggest female shooters (with short finger nails) or shooters who intend to buy a tactical variant to consider purchasing a remington.
Another note that I often hear from people unfamiliar with these guns after shooting 2-300 rounds straight is that the mossberg feels "cheaper" and tends to rattle more than the remington. This is on purpose and youll notice that after a few 100 rounds the mossbergs action stays very smooth while the remington will start to get a bit stiff until cleaned. That being said the remington does feel more sturdy and of higher quality for the first few hundred rounds. This difference of "feel" is preferential as it really wont effect the quality of performance that either gun boasts during a day of shooting. This difference does impact the shooters enjoy-ability while shooting.
The performance of these guns is virtually mirrored and almost any inadequacy either gun offers can be compensated for with some sort of mod as the availability of mods for these two guns are endless. Any gun collection worth its salt will find a home for both of these classic guns.
Very well said sir!
Justaguyyoutubin why did u write an essay
Thanks good job with the comparison
Thank you so much. I now know what gun I'm busing Tuesday. I couldn't decide. I have big hands and I'm left handed. Mossberg it is.
Terrific review. Nice to see the 2 side by side. Headed to the shop & having a look at both. Needed a turkey/sporting clay/all around shotgun for this fall.
In the good ol' days I would go for the 870, when Remington had QC.
I know. I grew up shooting an 870 back in the 90's. I want to buy one now as an adult but I never will unless I find 20+ year old one in good shape. It's really too bad.
We bought one a month ago and have no problems probably put 10 shells through is and it's the 870 express 12 guage 3 inch chamber
@@lancehorrocks1305 10 shells? Wow. Don't wear it out
@@elche1976 Lol. To be fair, in 2020, with how ammo is suddenly the new gold, 10 rounds is practically bougie decadent.
Good days = 40 years ago . Agreed
My favorite thing about the 500 is the safety
I have never owned a Remington 870 but I do own two Mossberg 500
I love my new Remington wingmaster! The best shotgun i ever owned
You are very fun to watch. Thanks
Love my 870 tactical express Magpul edition. Cerakoated finish, no rust issues. XS ghost sights, I replaced the stock front bead with a tritium bead. Esstac six shot velcro side saddle, aluminium follower, Wilson combat safety and extended mag spring, Remington tactical choke, picatinny rail. Non-mim extractor. Magpul stock and forend. One piece, six shot magazine tube. 18 1/2 inch barrel. QD mount on stock and on replaced mag cap. Streamlight tlr-1 mounted on forend with Magpul cantilever mount.
Strictly a home defense gun, loaded with #4 buck. Purchased in 2014. Runs like a champ.
I bought my 870 in the mid 70s and have been quite satisfied with it. I had never shot skeet before but about 8 years ago I was on our NC property with nephew and managed to hit 3/4 of the clays. Not great but I was satisfied.
People that think the 870 has bad rust issues, that's not a problem as long as you clean and lubricate your firearms ocassionally. All you got to do is coat it with some clp on the outside and let them metal soak it up good, and it won't rust. Just take a paper towel, put a dab of oil on it, then put a thin coat across every surface of it after you're done hunting every other time, and you're good to go. That's really what you should do with every firearm you own.
Good video. As a longtime 500 user and a factory-certified 870 armorer, I can find no fault with the information that you provided. Viewers might be interested to know that while Mossberg likes to tout that the 500 was the "only" shotgun to meet the 3443 standard, that's because Remington never submitted the 870 for that particular testing. I have no doubt that the 870 would meet that standard as well. From experience, I will say that the 500 will never be quite as "smooth" as the 870 when it comes to operation, but that's a fairly minor point. They're both good shotguns and it really is a "Ford vs Chevy" type of decision.
very informative comment, thank you! I'm looking for a Remington 870, but an older one. I've been hearing too many things about Remington as a company so I'm not sure if it's worth it to buy new.
familyman 357 its more like GMC CHEVY DECISION I THINK
New 870 mine been fine, that surface rust was my only real issue.
Very nice comparison of two of the best shotguns available. You've earned a sub.
Daniel Burdette thanks man
Thanks Brother, great video!
Great video guapo hopefully get to see more
Either one is great I have used both and have a Winchester as well I was issued an 870 at work before I retired
I have had a Mossberg 500 Regal in 20 gauge since 1982. It was the first shotgun I bought with interchangeable chokes. (it takes Invector chokes). It was my main grouse hunting shotgun in the 80's and 90's when we still had grouse populations. It still is a good, solid shotgun. The Regal was Mossberg's premium Model 500, and when I bought it I thought it compared favorably with the 870 Wingmaster for significantly less money.
Nice video, informative and entertaining, subscribed
No new information, but a good video, and pleasant to watch to boot.
Very nice. I have an old Mossberg bolt-action (16 gauge), but would love to get a pump-action of either of these shotguns.
I own both. I honestly would have no problem defending my life with either one. Both have performed absolutely flawless. If I had to own one gun for the rest of my life, would probably be the 500, but only by the slightest of margins
10:33 and 10:38 I needed to see that, I've never actually held the '500. Thanks!
Very interesting, thank you.
u just got a subscriber because of shooting both guns, hilarious!
I got both of these at Walmart. The Remington 870 Express for $287 & the Mossburg 500 for $254. I noticed at the store the 870 had some surface rust starting. So when I got home I rubbed it down real good with some 0W-20 synthetic motor oil till rags were clean. I had the same deal with my Remington 700 SPS. It started rusting the 1st week I had it. I think their quality & control has gone down hill. The Mossburg with the Aluminum alloy reciever it should never rust. Went out and shot both of thd yesterday for the first time. Both performed flawlessly. The 870 is a bit heavier because of the steel reciever. I do believe I like the Mossburg a bit better. If you are looking for an inexpensive entry level hunting shotgun, both are a good choice and Wal-Marts price cant be beat.
-higher capacity(by one shell)
-safety is ambidextrous
-Lighter weight
-cheaper price
-insanely reliable
Mossberg 500 wins imo
I was always an 870 guy that's what my grandpa and dad had, but my 870 broke in the middle of waterfowl season and I needed another gun quick and picked up a camo Mossberg 535 and I tell you what my eyes were opened. The Mossberg cycled shells better and was overall nicer to use.
@@1S1KC0DM4N Only a child would call someone such horrendous insults for no good reason? I can't believe how many grown men are so rattled by simple comments? And you own guns?
Nice. If you drop a 870 wingmaster it will not fall apart hahahha. Good one mossberg haha. Vintage wingmaster is the best.
I have a Maverick 88 and a Remington 870 Classic Trap. That's the lowest priced and highest priced of each. I shoot trap and skeet with both of them. They're both excellent shotguns. The Maverick is basic and doesn't have anything fancy on it. The Classic Trap is all about fancy and has a Monte Carlo stock and a 30 inch barrel. They both shoot great.
I bought the Maverick as an extra gun, on impulse. I bought the Classic Trap because I wanted a dedicated Fancy Pants Trap Gun. The prices were $180 and $800. Good deals on both.
The only difference in function that I notice is that the Remington stays cleaner longer and I think the action is a little smoother. Nothing that's a deal breaker.
It's really funny when I use the Remington for skeet, nobody bats an eye, but when I use the Maverick, someone always asks about it because it looks like a tactical shotgun with 28 inch barrel. I'm shooting in the 20's with a $180 shotgun and they're using $5000 Beretta's shooting the same scores. I think they're racist against black guns!
Well done comparison....😎🧐
lmao, loved the video please make more...thanks for your time
awesome video
My 870 Express feels kinda "stiff" versus the 500.I would give the Mossberg the nod for that reason.And I like the tang safety as well.
I just love those classic looks on shotgun.,,,, the brown stock. Nice.
LOL, I don't think I'll be firing 2 shotguns at the same time anytime soon, but thanks for showing us that it CAN BE DONE!
Just bought a 870 for 300 new well 12 shells shot out of it . Thank you ! I thought I got a good deal but wasn't quite sure .
I got the 870 cause when I pulled it up to shoot ,the bead was the only thing I seen when I got on target, very important when quick shooting is a must. Can't go wrong with either one. Wood take a long time to wear either one out! Oh mine was $216 brand new at Wal-Mart. Just found another 870 express youth in cammo and getting it too!
The furniture on these 2 look great
I like both of them beautiful guns.
I had a very hard time to chose because both are fantastic but I bought Mossberg 500 and I m very happy !!!!
I purchased a Mossburg 500 Field/Security Combo for $300 at Gander Mountain. For those who don’t know Field is a 28” barrel and the Security is a 18.5”
I bought the same, I love it!!!
As a gunsmith of 40 years, building many guns lock stalk and barrel, the 500 is best. It comes a part with a ballpoint pen and every part can be replaced esaly on the kitchen table. The 870 on some parts needs to be replaced by a gunsmith or the factory. I've worked on many though the years. Have owned both since a young fellow and there both great proven guns, can't go wrong with either but for me and hunting with and working on both, I'm a Mossberg man and a fool for small game hunting.
I'm happy with my express I bought new 6 years ago.
I did pass on 2 till I found one without a warped sight rail.
And if you ignore them they can sure rust. Personally I quickly spray mine end to end, in and out, with all surface silicone every 4-6 months. It will probably stay looking good indefinitely wood and metal if this is done.
at least long guns are still made in America i own both long guns it is in the beholder of the shooter in my opinion
I own both. My 870 is almost 30 years old. They were way better built then. From what I've heard today. The Mossberg is better. But my old 870 has never once caused me a problem. I own both 12 and 20 guages
That was really good shooting . I never seen two 12 G ,fire at once.
well when doing speed tests 20 vs 12 is not the same great video enjoyed very much
They're both good. You can't go wrong with either one.
500 all the way!! It's a decent price to. I got a 500a with camo stock and slide, a 28 inch regular barrel and a 24 inch slug barrel. All for 400. It was used. But only as a turkey gun for one season.
Love the occasional *spht* lol 👏🏽
Both are great. Pretty much neck and neck. I'll take the 870 over the 500 though. Just my preference
same
Have fun with that safety in a quick react situation.
@@MaximusWolfe well you're crazy in the first place to have the safety on when it's go time buddy
Funny everyone says the military issues the 590 with a metal trigger guard but I have only been issued a 500 with a poly triggerguard which was solely used for breaching or cp security.
Hahaha everybody says that without going to the military to have the proper knowledge.
dalan wanbdiska not quit sure what you are attempting to say?
Own both like my 500 but i love my 870 express ...if you compare a m500 to a wingmaster , well there is no comparizon ... 870 WINGMASTER = PUMP ACTION PERFECTION
deusredeemer if you have an older 870, I'd agree. Newer ones, not so much. I like the setup very on the Mossberg. too many shells getting jammed when we shoot my friend's 870. but soon, maybe it's because it's newer and quality had taken a dive.
what shells get stuck? i only had issues with 3 inch shells not clearing but it was like 2 out of 100 maybe. i was deciding on ditching the MIM parts eventually.
Only commenting to let you know that I subscribed BECAUSE you shot both at the same time 💯 #NotAWhimp 😂
I have both any reason to buy another gun is a good one 😀
i own both.the only thing wrong with the mossberg is the forend rattles a lot, which bothers me.
I have both but if you drop the 500 A the loading gate will jar loose and if you rack the action then it will jam . I still love them both . The action on my 500 is like butter . Good video.
Never understood this argument. Just don't drop your firearms. If you're prone to dropping things you want to take care of.... Slings are helpful
I was a high school trap shooting coach for 6 years and a shotgun merit badge counselor for 10 years. I still don’t consider myself an expert but I have around the 870 and the 500 quite a bit since they are the most popular ones I’ve seen due to price point. I’ve witnessed more failure to fire from the Mossberg 500, and 590 than the
870 due to light primer strike and
zero from any 870. I ended up buying a $200 870 for my son and it never had a failure to fire no matter how many rounds fired or how poorly it was cleaned. I had to inspect ever one that failed on the range for safety of children and I don’t recommend Mossberg for that particular use. I’ve owned both and only still have the 870.
This is becoming the most drawn out rivalry in the gun industry!
If you like a gun that fails to eject once every 50 rounds but it's heavier then get the Remington.
If you like a gun that ejects everything all the time but is a little lighter then get the Mossberg.
If you can't decide, GAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWD!!! Just get both!!! You can get them both for less than a Benelli anyway!!!
You got me laughin if nuthin else but good video anyway and I own the Remington magnum express 12ga. 21 in. barrel rem chokes of course and in mossy oak green grass camo version I think it is !!! One awesome shotgun !!!!
These two guns killed the Ithaca 37 and the Winchester model 12. They gave us a gun that was reliable with machined parts. Too much labor in the model 12 and the Ithaca 37
I love that thumb safety
Me too.
@@bobbywrongway6494 yeah I gotta ride with that damn 590 A1 I think it's probably the best blue collar shotgun out there
Had both preferred the Mossberg 500
Both excellent choices that will last you a long time
I love both shotguns but I personally prefer Mossberg, the safety location and location of the action slide release is better for me. But Both shotguns are great.
I've been using a Remington 870P for most of my life but within the Three or Four Years, I've been a Mossberg M590A1 Fan. I guess, I just needed a change of pace! LOL! I do find the M590A1, to be a bit more user friendly! Excellent video, by the way!
Both are damn good each has a little advantage that the other both very good
Fun and informative! But did you hit anything with the two-at-once shots?
Very informative vidio. I'm looking for the marine model. Both companies make um. Keep making the vidios
Both are real good shot guns..
I like the thumb safety
I suppose a pump action is okay for Trap. I held a shotgun for the first time-last week, and hit a few with a pump,- so I know with some practice it's possible to do okay. If you have any suggestions I would love to hear them.
I have a 870 my dad bought me when I was 12 I'm 21 now and tbh been wanting a Mossberg 500 since I was 18 because the 870 barrels and accessories are so damn expensive I looked at the Mossberg accessories and there way more affordable as soon as I get the chance to I'm grabbing me a Mossberg 500!!
The Mossberg has a flaw in receiver. Just below the safety you have the two dowel pins on each side of it is dropped the dowels will push In and the gun will become completely jammed and have to take apart to fix the issue
Mines called the Remington Magnum Special Purpose in 12ga. !!!
I Like them both i used the 870 in the Navy on the ship's security detail. I oun a mossy 890 I'm left handed and the safty is easyer to use. 870 safty is alot easyer for a right handed person. Like i said i like them both.
I just love all shotguns.
I’d also take a look at the browning bps, especially if you’re left handed.
Good shotguns I had a 20 ga never should have sold it.
Remember Remington guys, you break the ejector and its back to the factory or the gunsmith. Mossberg this happens all you need is a standard screwdriver and the replacement part.
I own an 870 and my friend owns a 500. The biggest difference I see is the quality. The 500 has a lot of excessive wobble. Its never as solid as the 870. Holding the 2 you can feel a real difference. However, due to the safety placement and action button, the mossberg is superior when using a traditional stock. If you use a pistol grip the the 870 is the clear winner as it's button layout isn't effected by different stocks.
Brian Healy the 500 was designed to looser tolerances because of its military trials
Except the 590 is as tight as a drum and that's the marine version.
Brian Healy As mentioned, it's constructed for that loose tolerance. The 870 is prettier but in my experience, I've experienced and also seen way to many jams when cycling. Never had that issue with a 500. Maybe it's the dual extractors, maybe it's the loose design. either way it works and gets the job done every time.
If you want to shoot a pretty gun that jams, buy an 870. You want something that works, but a 500.
If I were forced to buy an 870, it'd be an older one from 10 years ago or older. their quality has gone downhill.
el Ché I've owned an 870 for a few years and have never had it jam. The gun is just solid.
Brian Healy you have a good one. If I could find an older one for a decent price, I'd buy it. I won't touch anything new, though.
As much rabbit hunting I've done in 30 years ... At one time I've owned both Mossberg 500 and Remmy 870 in different gauges , I've owned over 40 different shotguns in different makes and gauges through out the years .... Mossberg 500 is crude ! Like aiming a 2X4 or left handed golf club ... But it get job done ... Let's talk about Remington 870 express... Same as Remington Wingmaster ? No, and ...yes ...Same metal parts yes , metal finish rough and stock is cheap , I've owned 4 of 870 expresses , beat living shit out of all 4 of them in brush ! Wood was battered so bad , I had take stocks off replace them with plastic stock just to sell gun ... But both are good hunting guns !!! They get job done , Remington 870 pointed better , felt better than Mossberg 500 , so my pick out of the 2 guns ,I'm going with Remington 870 express ... I'm more of an Ithaca 37 fan ! That a fine slick pump shotgun , I do own a few Remington Wingmaster (12,16,20GA) they are way smoother and slicker than cheaply made Remington express...
Jabshier1980 True. I have one Wingmaster, and the action is way smoother than the Express. But the price between the two is way different. Anyway, both get the job done! I won't sell any of those 870s, because they are gifts from my Dad. The sentimental value is higher that the price of the gun.
I'd probably buy that armscore shotgun as well.
You forgot to mention that a Mossberg has a 10 YEAR WARRANTY vs Rem. 870's 2 year warranty.
Eric wyatt 10 years??? WOW this makes sense because a good rifle will take years to break down. I wonder if Remington has an extended warranty.
Eric wyatt Remington has a life time warranty we’re I live
Ya they had to have changed it recently cause they've always been 2 year ....they were probably embarrassed by the 2 year vs the 10 year lol
I have a couple of questions that you may have answered one in your video. First, where can you find the Mossberg 500 for $300? Second, can the Mossberg be converted to a pistol grip?
@@babyboinews6896 academy sports and outdoors ......buds gun shop and I'm sure they're plenty other places..yes you can install a pistol grip as well
I looked at several guns today. I really want a Mossberg pump 500,- but the dealer keeps pushing me to get an o/u for twice the price.....Thanks for letting me know the 500is a good gun.
(It's for Trap- I am new to Trap.)
I just recently got into shooting clays and bought a maverick 88. Most parts are interchangeable with the mossberg 500 and it’s been a great beginner gun. I know guys that have also gotten really expensive shotgun for traps and haven’t used them in 3 years. Did you end up getting something and if so what did you decide to go with.
i have never owned a 500 only he 870. i find that the action release is in a inconvenient location. is it better on the 500 for more rapid action
I really want to get the 870
I’ve had a 20 Gauge Mossberg 500 since the age of 10. I absolutely love it! But recently, I’ve been thinking of buying a new shotgun. Are the Remington 870’s and the Winchester 1200’s comparable?
The 870 would be better, because you can get parts for the 870 without paying an arm and a kidney
I’ve owned both in basic (express) versions; have a wingmaster now... Remington 870 express have been poorly made since the early 2000s. 500s have always been cruder by comparison to pre-2000 870s. Both will go bang and kill ducks. Get whatever fits better. If you have money and want a pump: a browning bps, wingmaster, or nova/super are better made.
i love your Accent...
If they made a Remington 870 wingmaster of the quality it had back in the day but they got rid of the shell lifter, made the safety like mossberg, increased its stock shell capacity and out a coating that could resist the humidity and saltiness of a tropical environment.. I'd have the perfect shotgun. I love the thoughtfulness of the dexterity in the controls of the mossberg. But I love the fit, finish, feel and sturdiness of my wingmaster
Mossberg 590 for me, thank you.
Very informative...I prefer the Mossberg and I'm guilty of favoring the Maverick 88. The 500 is almost a luxury item by comparison. Again, cool video.
Thanks ! I appreciate that. .. I'm a Mossberg guy too! just because of the safety and receiver ..
Mossberg is hard to beat
top safe easy to load light cheap !!!!!
I like the Remington 870 way more than the Mossberg 500 for a few reasons.
After shooting thousands of rounds through the 500, it starts to eject loaded shells out of the bottom of the receiver when the action is pulled. This happened on my dad's 12 gauge 500 and my 20 gauge 500.
Another thing is the spring inside the thumb safety likes to break, causing the safety to slide up and down on its own.
I have never seen anyone have problems with the 870, nor have I had any.
Again, this is after thousands and thousands of rounds.
So, some people may never shoot as much as we shoot these, so you might not have a problem with the above issues.
Interesting. I'm pretty much the opposite. When I was looking at shotguns, I liked the setup of the 500. Went shooting with my cousin and his kids who had 870s. Jam after jam. They looked pretty and were smooth in demonstrating... but in shooting, issues. Mossberg has been excellent. Thousands of rounds at this point. Also interesting, 2 of his kids have moved on to the mossberg.
I like the safety on Mossberg which is very handy for left handed.
Thats just a trigger block no real safety.
Mossberg all day !!! Way more features!!
I have both guns. I find the 870 to be easier to clean the trigger and put back into the gun. Other than that they are both great pump guns.
10:07 he says oh yeah but on the order side of the camera he is yelling in pain😂
if they had both been 12 gauge... oh boy
My dad had an old pump 12, do not know what kind. It felt like you were being assaulted every time you shot it. I hated that gun. Truly kicked like a mule.