Zones v3 - The most useful relationship map in history
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- I consider this version of Zones "complete." I rushed on v2 because I needed to get my brand off the ground, which I have now done. SAY YOU LOVE THE BRAND.
I have fixed every issue with Zones that anyone has suggested to me that was also a real issue and not a misunderstanding.
I have also added strategically significant language to try to most effectively evoke the deeper meaning of what the map is pointing at. Words and images can only point the way to understanding. It's so frustrating - understanding knows itself as such, but those without it often think they have it. The right know they're right, the wrong think they're right, and teaching people to see the difference is what I aspire to.
Enjoy, and also buy posters and all that ok bye bye
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My gf said men can only understand things in graphs, algorithms and numbers, might be the smartest thing she’s ever said
Makes sense seeing they're more inclined towards logic
But women don't understand their attraction cues in any form?
@@edheldudeThey understand better when they can resonate with it emotionally. If you could put all these concepts into a story format that may help a typical girl digest the information.
The smartest thing a hot chick ever said to me was "Don't do acid. It makes you think you can control reality".
Which was the graph, which was the algorithm and which was the numbers? Also maybe define those terms before answering.
Bro unlocked the secret autism
I'm going to tell my kids this is the food pyramid
hahahaha
Speaking of the food pyramid. Turn that thing upside down and you will be closer to the truth.
"But all that stuff at base is so expensive when I flip it", I hear you say. Correct. All the rich people eat that stuff for a reason, while telling you to eat the cheap stuff because it is supposedly good for you.
Assuming you'll even have kids or that they'll listen to you lol
They'll listen to you if you're a good leader
The fuck pyramid
I am 60 years old, life’s circumstances ended financial attractiveness for women in my age group. This is yet another validation of your teachings. Nothing against women, it is just a tough pill to swallow that was not taught earlier in life.
Please accept this 25.00 as I appreciate your huge efforts. If men and women squared up and repaid what better themselves.
@@adamfox2326 I hope this changes, and I hope some nice lady will be into your phisical apparence and personalite and not how much money you haver.
Zones v4 chart should be 3-dimensional by adding in the variable of Time so that we can see how a woman and man’s age affects both decisions.
I was thinking that too with time women look more for security and than attractiveness while for men everything stays relatively the same.
Tbh you can do it yourself if you reached the Level 7 on the Levels chart :D
It's more of an attribute that can fit into this model. A dimension has to be something that creates new zones. Like a spectrum of how conservative or liberal your culture is. It has to be something that multiplies the no. of zones by N.
Why stop there? Make it a tesseract!
Not really a more accurate depiction that sums up the quality of women would be to simply remove the keeper zone entirely. Aside from them being so promiscuous the laws related to marriage are enough of an incentive to only decide between sleeper or sweeper. Men control how long the relationship lasts women control when they spread their legs.
The reason that dark traits are attractive is because not what they are, but what they mimic. Narcissism mimics confidence, machiavellianism mimics competence, psychopathy mimics both confidence and competence
Sociopath mimics empathy
Yeah I’d rather have the real deal than the mimicry
Interesting take. I tend to agree
The dark triad is made up silliness, stop it. The fact that you had to say all three of them are actually something else says enough
Dark triad is very well studied personality, it's a real thing, do some research before you speak
I was thinking a lot, and it dawned on me:
Women feel restricted because guys have one axis to evaluate them on.
Men feel pressured because they need to meet multiple goals.
Quiet a dawning you had and you nailed it.
Pretty good observation.
I actually think I would do well working on multiple axis. I have more great qualities than are even accounted for in this chart and it makes me sad that they almost don't matter to men. This is one of the main reasons I reject men. They don't seem to care or be able to see all of me and the effort I put into becoming the person I am. "She's attractive, she's loyal, and smart? Yep. OK .We're good to go." WTF? It doesn't make me feel that I'm more special to someone than any other good woman. I want men to be more discerning.
Edit: I think this is why women like men who are slightly standoffish and unobtainable. It at least makes it appear that they are discerning.
@@woodnymph3063 You'll probably find that level of discernment in higher status men. Most average men grow up without the luxury of options, perceived or otherwise. Thus they've never quite developed a taste for unique qualities. They're happy to get the big three boxes checked. On the other hand, the average women grows up with more perceived options. They have to learn how to be discerning to accept the right offers. Overtime they start to appreciate unique traits in men
This has more to do it with perception than actuality. Men approach and can never know if they could have done better
An analogy: The ice-cream truck never visits 'Man' st. The men there fantasize about getting ice-cream, but aren't aware of all the flavors open to them. Eventually they realize they can take a 5 mile walk to the grocery store. Once they finally reach the dessert isle, exhausted with the ordeal and not really knowing their better options, they grab the first non-melted tub they can afford. Now, the ice-cream truck visits 'Women' st. often enough. They call out all the various flavors and possibilities. Now the women don't always buy, and even sometimes the ice-cream driver lies about his flavors. But the women 'hear' and see all the options coming to them. So they can better learn and appreciate the various unique flavors.
@@woodnymph3063men are just much easier to satisfy, I don’t see how that’s a problem. You don’t need to be someone’s top choice to be able to feel valued.
I literally did all of this and studied it to a tee and now I have girlfriend. This is scary how accurate this all was. My issue is I wasn’t being masculine enough. I got more confident, made the first move, acted like a strong man and it worked. Couldn’t believe it. This changed my life.
Where did you start and what steps did you take to improve yourself in those areas? Im trying to gauge what I need to do in my own life
@@KOS_Nova hey Nova, thanks for the question. I kind of went through an emotional melt down in the last 3 months. For the record I’m 25 and asked this cute girl out when I was out with friends. She used me and then ghosted me after because she didn’t want a real relationship and I was a rebound. Finally, two weeks ago I started doing the dating thing again. I met with this new girl who I ended up kissing on the first date and now we’re dating. Yay! I changed sooo much in these last three months. I grew out my beard. I started practicing talking to myself in the mirror. I wrote down what my strengths and weaknesses were physically and mentally and what I was genuinely good at. I realized that I wasn’t being a nice guy, I was acting really weak. Even though I am strong willed you have to project that in a way that isn’t too obnoxious. Once I fixed that, the difference became immediate.
Our man basically faked it till he made it
Wish I had access to this knowledge a decade ago
lol. i always laugh at how women seem to always say they want a 'sensitive' and emotional guy but in reality thats the last thing they would ever want. never trust what a women says she wants, in fact she may usually want the opposite.
This is pure gold! For all the men out there, the MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR MEN to understand is that there are TWO SCALES. Adding more points on the 'security' scale will not move the needle on the 'attraction' scale one bit. Not only is this vital for attracting the right women. It also is a direct cause for the dreaded situation where you provide for a woman while she is attracted to somebody else, aka the ultimate betrayal.
My guess is the humans evolved for the man to protect his wife/woman and kids and their farm and home. If he is too out of shape, too soft-spoken or seems too weak, then she cannot feel too safe with him. I don't want a man to go around starting fights, but would like to think that he could at least defend me and our home - and sometimes that might mean just verbally and/or in court. A man with no back bone is a turn-off.
Men like younger and/or healthier looking women because she is more likely to give him healthy babies and to be energetic enough to raise them and to look after the house and even help a bit in other ways.
Too often, we bitch and gripe about the way evolution has set up men and women. Better to accept and embrace it and even play with it a bit - kind of like kids play in the rain and splash in mud puddles.
@@genkiferal7178 humans evolved most likely in small communities of up to 150 people, the exact social dynamics are unknown, but I see it more likely matriarchal in nature. Simply because men live less than women on average, and small isolated populations have matriarchal societies, also, men are seen as less valuable than women in sexual selection.
I think that at some point before living in packs, males were strongly selected towards High testosterone/high sexual dimorphism. But later on females started selecting males with higher empathy that would stay around and raise their children.
It’s possible that couples were mostly pairs (one male one female) but it’s also possible that harems (one male multiple females, one female multiple males) or other unconventional “family dynamics” were common or predominant (eg: multiple males multiple females) but for this to be proven we would need evidence we don’t have.
Anyway bye.
Many believe that humans evolved in Tribes. And they probably always have. I doubt there would have been a point where humans started to form packs, they’d have just evolved as such. The closest thing in animals today is large primates that live in troops.
In a tribe the females would mate with many males and ambiguity about fathers would mean that all children were protected by the males.
Teaching this to high school students in conjunction with sex ed would save a lot of people a lot of trouble.
it's more dangerous not to know
Lying to people does not solve or change this. And if things are not solved or being changed for the better, then they ARE getting worse. Humans a lot of the time believe in what I like to call a "false neutral", a state of being where nothing is really changing. Things are *always* changing, whether we like it or not, and therefor it is up to us, *always,* to make sure things are changing for the better. @@niczvr
Why? The government controls the schools, and they also benefit from divorces. They have all the interest in the world to make sure you screw up your relationship and go through divorce and the court system. The government is not your friend, and schools are extensions of the government.
The result would be: More Fuckbois and significantly more women, weeping on Tiktok. And a conspiracy theory about Sex Ed and how it’s a system of the Patriarchy, teaching men to oppress women where it hurts the most. 😂
Is there any valid excuse they have to pretend like the real world doesn't exist? I mean seriously, would it just be too awkward for the unattractive kids in the class? People having to go to TH-cam to learn actually useful life skills is kinda pathetic.
Remember, friends: If she'll cheat WITH you, then she'll cheat ON you.
Maybe, not always. I guess look at her intentions? Maybe I was rescued from my ex 😂
We had a relationship without cheating for years after \_-ツ-_/ I haven't done that since and I'm not going to, trying to keep the pool clean(ish)
Not if she sees you as prince charming
@@Fuzzy_Man-B00bsyou won't do it again until a situation arises and you need to get "rescued" again.. cheaters always have an excuse to why they cheated. And I say that as someone whose cheated. A lot! I'm not proud of it it.
@@LeventK To be the prince charming you have to be the best she will ever encounter in her life, unquestionably better then 99% of men in every conceivable aspect, looks, status, charisma, income ... And what do you get in return? Opportunistic freeloader that is with you to benefit from your status and protection, but loyal only as long as something better comes along. Should you falter in any aspect or any moment so you are not logier that top 1% she will start looking out for a better option and stay with you only as long she is unable to secure that better option.
So realistically if loyally is not her key characteristic she is not relationship material, even if you are the best she can get right now. No smart men invests his time and status in to a woman that is an opportunist looking for an upgrade.
Universal truth
This chart helps me understand why my uncle decided to stay single all his life, study, and have as much fun as possible.
Same bro. I couldn't understand when I was younger why my great uncle decided to stay single and not marry his fiance. In the last 3 years I became completely red pill and realized women's true nature. He basically has just done whatever the hell he wants since he was 45-50 because he set himself up from an early age.
Only way ! Stay single and have as much 'fun' as possible
Accidentally coming across this video has . . . changed my view on alot of things. I’ve been holding off on entertaining women because I thought I’d hold off and eventually end up with a woman I’ve loved for like four years. . . long story short; yeah, hard pill was swallowed. Imma just go back to the way I was living before I met her and STAY that way.
I'm not red pilled and never cared about dating or marriage
@@Lezdethka-np2bqred pilled just means you see reality instead of the matrix
"Can you create good conditions in your life...and then share them with me" - Absolute gold! 😂
gotta love a woman that just sits at the finish line, can really relate with someone who sleeps around and never works and parasitically depends on her parents and one night stands, definitely gonna burn my spiritual candle to impress one of these pigs yip
Because she's the table, and you have to have someplace to set up all the good stuff you created. It is only FAIR.
@@royjones7831What table? A one that is made of cheap wood that at any time can collapse, and pack itself out? What's the metaphor here, I'm not seeing it. Fair? Ask that to all the divorced and husbands or boyfriends who committed suicide, etc.
I'm assuming you're a white Knight or a woman.. to which if it's the first, whew....
@@user-ci7xz5vt1d My comment was sarcasm. No worries brother, I'm right there with you
@@user-ci7xz5vt1d its the
"what do you bring to the table."
"I AM THE WHOLE TABLE"
thing, it does make sense actually.
You have no idea how excited I am for this, please sell laminated copies of this, we need this in therapist's offices haha!
Therapists are useless
@@simeconazole In engineering buildings across every university campus in the nation. I don’t want these good hard working men to work their asses off in their young years to build themselves only to earn a used up 304 that would have rejected these men in their best years
Seeing as most therapist are leftist feminists I’d say that’s a losing battle
Yeah, i guess its time for masculinity to rise up boyz!
i do. they're on my linktree in my bio.
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Hoe math once again is living proof of the saying "A wise man is someone who can teach you something complex like it was simple". You summerized the most valuable aspect of relationship psychology better than 99% of academics, therapist and "trusted sources", this needs to be expose to more people
Technically, he can publish a book or two with this, and he will become a trusted source.
AGREE 100%
Even better, *he does it with crayons.*
That’s not a saying and it’s not really true lmao. Even among trusted sources they have disagreements the difference is that their powers of abstraction and critical thinking are usually better than the average basement dwelling incel that watches these videos religiously
@@eliel14ful 💯
My wife explained the two scales thing to me when we just started dating. “I want you to support me emotionally and I also want you to compliment my ass”. I took her advice 6 years ago and we are married for 4 years now.
Marriage is a scam, interesting strategy.
Those are the same thing.
Married for 4 years; congratulations. My advice: Start putting money in a secret savings account now, as you will need it at some point to pay for your divorce when you wife realizes she's "not happy enough". You've been warned.
@@VooDooDaddy46 I think most divorces come from men being lazy and not putting in the effort. Because lets face reality woman cant do any better in their 30s or 40s. They are way past their prime. From my experience If a woman innitiates the divorce its usually because the husband was the one cheating because he couldnt be mature enough to handle that a womans sex drive is gonna drop after she got 3 childs.
Of course a woman can fuck you over in a marriage because of her selfish desires as well, at the end of the day you never know.
@@soulure calling marriage a scam like that makes you sound like a massive reactionary virgin tbh
As a dating Christian, I was coming into this video with a condescending, self-righteous attitude. It kinda seemed like you were gonna take a prescriptive approach, but it turned out to be more descriptive. And also, the more I listened, the more I realized that we don’t have control over what we are attracted to. From conversations with my gf, this is basically how attraction works. The best we can do is to be aware of our attractions and try to not be toxic about it. So thanks for enlightening me
"Christian" and "condescending, self-righteous attitude" goes hand in hand together. Kudos for being able to realize this.
@joshuavanderrheede4469 lol mr edgelord here with his hubris and confirmation bias. i bet you're one of those i told you so atheists who spend a lot of time on reddit, am I close? lmao
Well done for being genuinely curious enough to be open-minded. Curiosity is always a good thing.
@@joshuavanderrheede4469 How condescending and self righteous of you.
@@Victoria3WorldConquerer I'll pray for you.
As an engineer, this chart resonates with me a lot. You should write a whole book. Call it "A Mathematical Interpretation of Modern Dating"
Lmao, as a computer engineer, I approve this message
"las matematicas de la puta"
A Chilean guy with a grade in Economics wrote a book on that regard on early 1990s.
@@hoe_math x = ath
I did understand the speech bubble/thought bubble thing
This is the first and only ever video on all of youtube that convinced me to support your channel. This is the kind of work that needs to be set in therapist offices and sex-ed classes world-wide. You've outdone yourself again!
I appreciate your support and the chad photo
Baste pay Chad
Legendary comment Mr. Chad, thank you for uplifting and supporting communities. Based.
fo real thx donating him
Harsh, I agree XeL: thank you for supporting him.
This video accomplished 2 things I rarely (if ever) do on YT:
1) Think the recommendation algo *actually works*
2) Hit the "Thanks" button
Seriously man, props for the video. Really keen to check out the other stuff, but this was a great intro.
You managed to make what I think is the best way to explain the whole "relationship" madness between man & woman. Calculating/logical, yet wholesome. Kudos for empathising and giving *balanced* insight from both sides.
Why is relationship in quotation marks?
Also madness?
Wow, the -tism must be really hitting you hard.
And by -tism I am a**holism.
69 likes. Beautiful
“Be something that women want to steal from her but then don’t actually let them”
Hoe math is right about body. A woman noticed my eyelashes curl. And I never knew until she told me. Women pay attention to the finer details men don’t acknowledge. Trimmed nails, hair etc.
A girl I used to date loved my rough hands. Would go on and on about them😂
You are so spot on about this. An ex of mine said she was jealous of my eyelashes. Apparently they’re longer than hers and better for styling.
That thought never would have crossed my mind, ever.
@@Jayar_how'd that turn out
I have nice cuticles apparently. That's some attention to detail....
@@juliantheapostate8295 bro my gf says the same thing. she says she gets jealous because I don't even care and put minimal effort lol
This is awesome: The line “She wants to see: Can you create good conditions in your life and then share them with me?” hit me hard and is so profound. In one sentence it sums up an action plan for a guy. I’m going to share this video with my soon as he becomes a teenager - which is soon
yep. its like the book "Wild at Heart" It states that a man is to go on his dventure in life, and share his adventure with his woman that will join him.
You have a son and haven’t figured it out yet?
@@thedog5k some old men never figure it out so this is fair.
@@thedog5k LOL men can get laid and have kids and still not know any of this stuff. I have a 23 year old and have only learned some of this stuff over the last year or so. I was never crazy good with women but ok. Thankfully some of my natural instincts saw me through my successes but there's so much more that I didn't know that cost me opportunities.
I like how no one is talking about how selfish this sounds. If our great great ancestors would have seen us being this desperate, they would've died of shame.
As a woman, I'm finding this interesting to compare against the relationships in my life and my own. Fascinating and pretty foolproof.
Highly appreciated. I was scanning comments to find a woman who took the efford to watch this. This is the only one I found. The channel name probably not helping though. I see many men working on themselves to be a better partner rather then just complaining.
@@HypnoticValentino i am also a woman and i can tell you that this is not true for me, or my girl friends. maybe it's a cultural thing, cuz i am not from the us, but I have never cared about men being strong, tough, if he can make enough money or them having power. honestly, for me this chart is ridiculous and i don't get how people even rank each other by numbers, for me it's all about vibes, if we can have a good conversation and we get along, i wanna date you. none of this other crap matters 😭
@@nicolhelbichova984 you would date a weak, spineless, in debt, incompetent and powerless guy? Even if you vibe, wouldn't you want him to improve these things in the future?
Why are women duplicitous? Why encourage men from the time they are boys to provide them with all the 'security' traits, while discouraging them from expressing and learning the actual 'attraction' traits?
Good conversations requires a certain "number" of ATTRACTIVE qualities, like Respect, Intelligence, Smoothness, Humour, Chemistry, Voice etc. Basically every quality you consider as "vibes" represents what you deem ATTRACTIVE and how well you expect he can provide you with SECURITY. The more qualities (aka the higher total of numbers) he ticks on your personal checklist, predicts if you'll "get along" and it gives an idea of how long you "wanna date", based off of the chart.
The other crap matters, it's detailing what else you could possibly mean by "vibes", "good conversations" and "getting along", not to mention your claim that looks, strength, status and financial security dont matter..?
I heard something said several years ago and it changed the way I view relationships and people in general, or as the kids say: it was a canon event in my life. It was, "A woman seeks security in the same way that a man seeks approval." I found it to be a fairly universal dichotomy, and once I understood that it made all the difference.
Hoe Math is more than about challenging the mindset of random Tiktok women who have unrealistic view about relationships, it's now the revolution against modern dating and focusing more on meaningful relationships with the right people.
I love that
Great minds think a like. I were just thinking about that today.
Strong disagree. This chart and this channel don't really have an agenda imo, it simply lays out modern dating in a very neutral and easy to digest way, that's the beauty of it.
@@eternal_hangnail You're right about how he laid out a straightforward representation of how do men and women see relationships and how it's not having an agenda. His chart and his explanation gave us the bigger picture what brought someone on a certain zone, how attraction works on each gender and what it takes to be in a meaningful relationship with someone and what it takes for someone to stay.
Modern relationships tend to miss a lot of things. With how dating consist of people using Tinder and Social Media, they've been more focused on someone's profile and trying to fill their checklist to be likeable. But in the end, people getting rejected despite that which is often the cause of frustration. But as it turns out, there's way a lot more subtleties that people has to understand. It takes more than fulfilling the requirements to win over someone.
I might be overthinking it, but knowing where you stand in the chart helps me understand the cue if I'll ever have a meaningful relationship with someone or if this person will eventually hurt me eventually or vice versa. Then if I stand a chance, I'd also know how to reflect and where do I need to improve from there.
Overall, Hoe Math's channel is something I appreciate. As a woman, I always have to reassess if my standards are realistic or not and if I might be doing something harmful towards the opposite gender without knowing.
@@MoiraiScarlet He did a video about online dating. Basically women (we'll say this them because they due the rejection more) that online date. Do it because, only for a dopamine high. It's like they are serial daters, they only doing it for the high and feel good. They will pretty much look for a reason to reject or discontinue the talking phase, so they can get that brand new feeling high all over again. If meeting someone on a dating app, I would ask how long have they using the app or what's their dating experience like. If it's excessive use ( depending what you define what's excessively), I would just bail out.
Also me personally find, meeting someone in IRL is better than. It's gives the man a skip the line pass. I dated women that used online apps but, I met her in person and she ended up uninstalling the app after we got into a relationship.
Also side note. I had female coworkers tell me that, they only use dating apps for attention and for short chit chat, with no attention of going out or meeting up with guys.
15:54 Attraction is key. best part of the video. If they are already attracted, that's what matters. "Once she feels attracted to you enough, the security traits will make her feel more attracted. It doesn't work the other way though".
I assumed this was a high effort meme, but its actually super informative. Well done.
I'm gonna put this right on my "share to everyone but they'll hate you for it" playlist.
Can’t wait for the version 4 cube and the version 5 hypercube.
A hypercube!!! Man, that's great!
The Hoe Tesseract
@@MikoDnst The Hoe Zeta function graphed on a Riemann Surface
The cube one would be aging couple dynamics and the hypercube would be the dynamics between people attracted to other people while having different couple status in the moment like single, single with kids, in couple with kids and in couple without kids-attracted to a single person, a single person with kids a person in couple, a person in couple with kids combined to aging couple dynamics. Good luck with that. Both on the analysis front and also try drawing a comprehensive fucking hypercube chart of all that. That wouldn't be possible on a sheet of paper for sure!
Someday we’ll have AI dating coaches 😂
An important part to know with this improved but more complex chart is that it's very much recommended to watch the video on the simplified one to understand the big picture, otherwise you may end up significantly more confused. After you understand the simpler version, this more complex version is useful to just add extra information.
Ah yeah, very good point ^^
Ya, this is too much.
when you refer to simplified version, do you mean v2 or v1? i think v2 is easy enough to understand
@@allenzhu8403 V2 obviously. I don't necessarily prefer it, as v3 clearly has more information. But v2 is still important as foundation.
I believe majority of men cannot fill every single bucket that women want. We're only human, and being human means having flaws. The best that we can do is to try to fill each one to the best we can.
Aside from that, amazing work, man. Subscribed!
Obviously, he's being crude there, but the most problem is that we lost time. Before, our fathers, friends, neighbors and colleagues teached us those things and we could develop along the way, Now lots of us we're lost and having to start from scratch. But better late than never.
That is why there are only a tiny percentage of men at the high end of the scale and no it isn't because we are lacking the instructions of a wise fathers of yesteryear who were in fact not much better at fathering than today. The "Prince Charming 10" is a thing to aim for and it's okay if you don't get there. It really truly does not matter as long as you find a good relationship and are happy. There is much more to life than being a smoking hot stud and guys in that position usually don't actually feel that good about themselves. I've known two guys who were over that threshold where women would throw themselves at them and all the sex did not really make them happy. They were much happier once they found a stable relationship.
To give you an idea a guy I knew in undergrad would complain to me because his dick was sore from banging so many girls in our residence. It was like a line going out his door.
Majority? Try 95%+. Women narcissistically expect a top 5% man, while they themselves are bottom 95% women.
That is why women are always appear to be frustrated and unhappy.
"there is a difference with being a friend and being in the friend zone"
WORD!
WE MAKIN IT OUT THE FRIEND ZONE WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🔥
I'm still short though.
Fr🔥🔥🔥🔥 doomed to inceldom forever
@@johnsampson6387 be confident
@@johnsampson6387 There's short guys who pull it off, don't give up. Follow his advice in "self maximize" when it comes out.
@@johnsampson6387Not every woman cares about height. I'm 5'3 and I just prefer someone who is at least 5'4.
The last thing you said about how to achieve Prince Charming status….make sure she’s actually someone you like too. You don’t want to be someone’s fatal attraction.
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I would suggest that you start out by becoming as attractive as you can and then giving the smallest investment that you feel morally comfortable with. Machiavelli said it first, but he said it right, that you can give more and more; but you can never give less.
Also, I like his advice about being attractive to a lot of women. Find friends to hang out with first; then find a woman above the public/private line to date in public a little; then dump her for a keeper who treats you right
@@1mag1nat1venamewhy'd you date someone to dump
@@lunaromance2243 To be clear, you should date the first acceptable applicant, with reckless disregard to whether or not you would later dump her.
I won't discount the possibility that you could find the right one on the first try; though I still insist that you don't promise her the world upfront (and certainly don't give her simp levels of investment, especially not upfront)
@@lunaromance2243experience, pre-selection (don't blame us, this one is female's nature)
As a lesbian this is FASCINATING. Props to all y'all sfraight folks who have to try to understand and appeal to an attractiveness metric that is in totally different dimensions than your own. It also helps explain why women initiate divorce way more often, partners have 2 independent barometers to maintain. This includes lesbians but then I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Two lesbians remaining attracted to and compatible with each other involves tesseract levels of interaction!
Aren't lesbian couples the highest in domestic violence?
You jest, but for real.
When you look at metrics that indicate relationship troubles (including abuse, apparently), they tend to be lowest for gay couples, mid for straight couples, and highest for lesbian couples.
Lotta dudes who ain't even gay or bi (usually…) and some lesbians would probably take a femboy if they had it as an option lol
Have you ever considered femboys OP?
@@StarboyXL9 Man's asking the real questions here…
@StarboyXL9 Well I haven't ruled them out I suppose. I seem to be attracted to femininity because while I have primarily been with cis women, I find plenty of trans women attractive, and I have more than once found myself captivated by a hot ass drag queen. My wife and I have been together 15 years and while we aren't poly at the moment, we have been in the past. If it happens again I'll be sure to keep femboys on my radar lol.
I have been struggling to understand women for so long. I'm a very "by the numbers" and logic based guy and need to see or know parameters for conditions. This has cleared up a lot of confusion and gives me a good starting point on what I need to work on. Like I make good money, dress decently and can get dressed up when we're going out, workout, etc. etc. but I struggle on the "Bad boy" axis so now that I know what applies there I can figure that part of my life out. Thank you so much for cracking the code!
I love logic. Tip - take martial arts and/or fighting lessons and get in shape. Jogging might be a good thing since women in the neighborhood can see your vigor and maybe even what you look like in less clothing.
I am seeing a lot of 40 year old white men online looking for white wives to bare their children and it is heart-breaking.
You've got this, King.
waiting for updates!
Tbh, this channel definitely did get some stuff right about women… but I’d say you should also try to see the chart as a graph, since it makes to seem much more flexible and relative - whihc thoses things are irl
Honestly, thank you for explaining this. I had a situationship that I had a really, really hard time letting go of. It absolutely left me haunted by the question of…what happened? I thought he REALLY liked me. As in, wanted “forever”, liked me.
It sort of makes me feel less crazy to realize that he DID-but I slid down the scale at some point.
My heart is still very broken, but at least now I’m sure that I didn’t make it all up. I didn’t imagine it. There was something real there, once.
The power of “new” is extremely potent. Your true standing in a relationship comes after the honeymoon stage, which begins the moment you have sex and ends at different times depending on the person. But it always ends.
Think about how your relationship was after sex stopped feeling new. That’s your true baseline.
So maybe you slid down the scale when new wore off, maybe you made choices that lost points in a category, or maybe they were using you. Only you can know.
Regardless, don’t give another broken human that’s just as messed up as we all are the power to define your self worth. Put your trust in something higher. Praying for healing and that God brings you a person who will treat you right, in Jesus’s name 🙏🏻
Jesus loves you. Repent for what you have done, and He will heal your broken heart. I hope you can recover and live a good life. Most promiscuous women don't
Do you think status-wise he was out of your leage by more than 2 points?
This is one of the simplest explanations you can watch on attraction. Well done.
Here to put a dent in the universe brother!
Seeing men come together to fix the broken things in today's dating is amazing.
But I would like to see more women. Why they are not taking action? Where are the female @hoe_math and female @EntrepreneursInCars?
I know I'm not your target demographic but I had to leave a comment and tell you to keep up the great work! You are changing lives! I am a woman in my early 50s who has been recently widowed. I got married 27 years ago and to be honest, modern dating scares the crap out of me. I got myself into a really bad situationship and now I know what I did wrong, thanks to you! I ABSOLUTELY LOVE YOUR BRAND! I've been binge watching your channel and I've been referring everyone to your channel. I analyzed my early relationship with my late husband and I can say your assessment is dead on. You are doing incredible work! I'm still a little freaked out by dating because I'm super traditional but I'm hoping that one day I will find what I'm looking for. :) THANK YOU!!
Great chart. Visually, I liked version 2 better. This version is a lot more fleshed out, but it's a pretty busy visually. I'm glad I watched the video on version 2 first. It really helps ease you in before all the valuable additional info is added in version 3.
Less Cosmo, more HOEMATH!
He’s actually trying to stop his growth rebrand in like you can always rebrand your self in the future the females of the earth ain’t leaving anytime soon
consider this video as a subject in next episode?
Damn. The Gods of shaming human toys (only fans models. They are toys) have commented.
This is awesome. I'm glad I subscribed to HOEMATH.
Cosmo for men
These charts are fantastic and I think you do excellent work. Please keep it up!
while v3 is more detailed v2 is better for the long shorts format he uses
I'm keeping both! one's easier, one's more thorough
When encouraging men to better themselves to get to the Prince Charming Zone, it'd be wise to tell them its actually the King Zone. Only a King could be a 10 bad boy & 10 in goo guy. @@hoe_math
Bc NO bad boy wants to be Prince Charming but ALL bad boys want to be a King.
@@hoe_math So it's more of a v2 Extended Cut than a v3? :p
Maybe like a v2.1 Extended Cut seems you did adjust a bit of the terminology to clarify stuff with the pussies (weak men or actual women lol) that can't get out of their emotions and feels lol.
@@KotCR they clarified so as to not spread misinformation
Keep doing what you’re doing. You’ve literally carved out a niche in TH-cam that is as needed as oxygen. If you made a 4 hour video I’d watch the entire thing, HAPPILY. I love your work, you’re a genius. A Chad that is actually breaking the game down for us normal guys. Amazing. Thank you for your insight. You’re the Omniman of TH-cam. PLEASE KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK, and make more videos so that I can watch them without skipping the ads 😉. Thanks bro 🙏🏿
I’m so glad you said where the chart is available because when version one of this came out i didn’t know you had a patreon and was trying to screenshot everything haha. Your charts are the best so real definitely agree with most of this from my experiences.
Just so we are clear, Mr. Hoe Math - self-maximizing video is still anticipated and it better come out before all our keepers run away.
Get fit, be charismatic, have money. (Maximally)
He is only explainig how to get a date. His whole content doesn`t teach you anything about how to have a good relationship. Look into that, otherwise your "keeper" will be gone right after you attracted her.
@@anthill1510 that's true. i'd guess he focuses on getting dates rather than keeping them because he targets an audience that has much bigger troubles with the former rather than latter. and that's okay - how do you learn to foster a romantic relationship without the experience of being in one?
@@matnovakthis is like telling people to practice interviews rather than be competent at the job
@@anthill1510well, look at his channel
Think he knows how to manage a relationship? It’s farming morons for views.
It’s funny.
I’m waiting for a 3d version that would include spiritual connections made in Blender.
This!
@Jaceareeno I’m thinking both will have a spiritual scale of some sort, but honestly, it’s just a feeling of being sure that you’ve chosen the right person and that the universe supports it with signs and synchronicities
Any spiritual person finds support in God, universe or even science as if in a parental figure and this is the same feeling as if your spouse is going to be accepted in the community. So idk if a 3rd dimension is actually necessary but it would be fun.
Shared beliefs belong on the "bonus" part, right?
@@dariazhempalukh yes let’s talk about how woman fall for the trap of a pastor and give him what he desires.
@@dariazhempalukhthe only parental figure you need is God. The universe is a created thing along with science. Not the creator. You can't have a relationship with Beetlejuice lol. Or Neptune. You can't use science to fix the spiritual. There's a God who died for you and created you. Learn who he is. Seek and you shall find. He's the one who represents the 3rd dimension of relationships.
The presentation of this is so amusing to me, but the information being conveyed is shockingly accurate to what I've seen. Good work man.
The female attraction/attachment graph just crushed all of my hopes and dreams🙏
It shouldn’t. It’s encouragement to get into the top 20%.
@@ericheisler5351 I have body dysmorphia, no matter how I change my physical appearance I still think I’m hideous. I’m 5’7” 160 lbs, I exercise regularly and my friends say I’m attractive but their words are meaningless. No matter what anyone says I just don’t see what they see when I look in a mirror
@@evanwiechert3168 if you dont change your mindset dont expect your results to be different
@@evanwiechert3168That's tough, but I hope you have the will to crush all of that negative self-perception.
Confidence and self-esteem came for me the more I did things I found I was good at and were fulfilling. Also know that women will like men of all shapes and sizes; skinny, fat, muscular, you name it. This graph kind of over-complicates the perceivable nature of attraction and romance IMO; confidence, discretion, and personality will be the main keys you need to find success in dating.
You got this, and I hope you can find the help and support you need to overcome your body dysmorphia 💪💪
@@ericheisler5351 Just grow taller and alter your facial structure bro.
I've been with my wife since middle school, so I only have experience from one relationship. This sound quite spot on though, the chart is very well thought out. Honestly at this point, having essentially grown up together and been with each other through so many different things I can't see us ever drifting apart. I know there are things I will miss in my life, but honestly the thought of losing someone who's essentially me in another body would essentially losing half of who I am. I guess I'm very lucky that way, but I'm also scared of the day one of us is left alone.
That’s amazing bro, hope the best for yall
Good for you? Then why are you here?
@@zeodark2761 I can still be interested in numerous things, even if not directly applicable to me.
@@ResisterCIOI would say don't get too complacent. Relationships require constant maintenance. Do some girls cheat out of the blue to "explore themselves?" Yes, it does happen. However, a lot of guys just stop working on themselves and slowly stop investing time and effort into the relationship. Always be learning and growing. Don't get fat and dumpy. You should be doing these things for yourself regardless of being in a relationship or not.
@@TheHamburgler123Should women also not become fat and dumpy? It's never about the dishes, btw. And yes, many stories of women starting new jobs, getting surrounded by divorced or blue haired harpies, and being told how green the grass is. Usually they find out after they blew up the relationship the grass wasn't as green, it's just misery loved company.
This is really good
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Get this man a Netflix special, NOW!
Hey so I’ve been watching you for a while now huge fan and also I’ve notice how your drawing has become more and more nice. Keep up the awesome work
He takes his job very seriously
I don't want to leave any corner unswept. My work must be airtight
@@hoe_math That faithful diligence is a form of communing with the Divine. Nice.
@@hoe_math Like Leonardo Da Vinci you are an artist devoted to his greatest work. We appreciate it.
@@hoe_mathdude thank you
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@@cking1340 for his art
Colored pencils
Just being helpful y'all!
Felt like I just took an entire college course and enjoyed it. Also the worst square to be in BY FAR is the good guy stuck hard in the friend zone, I know from 10 years of experience, she will NEVER wake up and love you back!! You will be expected to come to her wedding and be supportive of her husband as her "best friend" and you will need to eventually get away and partake in some serious therapy as she moves on happily with her husband and you are left a completely broken man realizing you wasted your best years. If you find yourself in this situation, tell her I am sorry I cannot be her friend, no matter how much she acts like it hurts her, she will even ADMIT 10 years later she was using you!!! RUN!@
Can you imagine, going 10 years thinking you have a friend, and he was just faking it the whole time to get into your pants?
@@RikkiestAndTikkiest In this type of situation the woman knows very well he is in love, no man goes 10 years without letting her know. It oftentimes starts with them either hooking up or almost hooking up, then her giving the friend talk. The guy spends the next years in love with her in pain trying his best to keep it together. Every time he dates the new girlfriend does NOT like the best friend, and every time she dates you fade away then she comes back...its not black and white, and the women are in control of this type of situation. Every woman that has ever had this situation for long term will later admit they knew what they were doing was wrong and they kept the guy strung along on purpose....don't gaslight what is actually happening to men....
Its hard for me to watch these kinds of videos; leaves a huge rock in my stomach. But its good to be informed so thank you for making these videos.
A literal GENIUS piece of work that unfortunately explains why so many men are dropping out of dating. Your work is appreciated. Amazing stuff
it SHOULDNT be a game. if it is, only THE [casino] HOUSE wins. theyre literally there not to pay-out to winners. they could stiff you and there's a loophole that allows them: theyre there to provide ENTERTAINMENT. that's legally really all that they are. theyre not a source of income lol theyre actually an expense - your expense, for what you get in return which is playing a game: entertainment. same with pick-up games. you wont get a relationship out of this. girls are figuring themselves out just like guys are 🙄 we're not hoes any more than yall are dumb, syphilis dogs
@@visi7891If women dont like pick up or getting approached in person and allegedy dont like dating apps where are men supposed to meet women? Where 2 people meet changes nothing about the man or woman. The capacity to be toxic or a jerk is still there.
I’ve got a girlfriend right now BUT I don’t blame some of these guys. The dating landscape is so complicated for men. Took me (and almost every dude) a long time to fine tune everything
@@cseptember6562Co-ed group settings. It gives you the opportunity to build rapport and convey things about yourself that dating apps can never display. Hiking groups, cooking classes, dance classes, bowling leagues, book clubs, volunteering, church, etc. It also allows you to get a more accurate read on a person vs meeting a rando online. Don't listen to what they say. Observe their actions instead.
@@cseptember6562 dating apps are alright in themselves but men have made them gross and unsafe for us. It's become just as horrible and superficial as it is face to face tbh. I truly feel men have made it harder for themselves with their general behaviour online and through apps. If men banded together and banned dick pics and banned sexual pickup lines - theyd have a MUCH better chance!
It's not about blaming women, its about men making all spaces unsafe for us (not all men blah blah, but ANY man could be a sexual predator too us and collectively mens behaviour online has made it so we have to fear all men)
I think the scales can be summed up as:
"He does whatever it takes"
"He does it all for me"
This clarified the nice guy/bad boy axis for me. Who cares if he gives 100% for her if what he can achieve is next to nothing? Gotta have ability first before you can share it.
@@Ibian666exactly!
Can you elaborate?
@@camzy3003 A good answer requires a good question. What are you asking about?
Im in kind of a reverse situation. As a man I feel like i incorporate too many mechanics from the female axis into my evaluation. One of the things that keeps me from wanting to commit/go that full route is judging my female partners competetence and confidence. Way i see it whether im with someone or my myself i shouldnt stop trying to improve since my value to them will go down. But if i know my potential partner is looking for someone who can get it all and share it with them, then i should want them to be able to get quite a bit on their own, otherwise my life can and will be spent working harder than if i was just on my own, or spending time putting girls in the sleeper/sweeper category. And im not sure any level of physical attraction/purity can change that for me. To be fair, i equate competence to personality and mindset tho, as i know one thing i do not want at all is a lazy partner.
your videos are like the GUIDE for people to understand their own minds, it's crazy. helps a lot
Man this is making me toil rn, I knew all this but I didn't I just sort of felt the little man in my head whisper things to me now I have a planner to look at, thanks man I appreciate it :)
When you find your "one and only" and she ask you for an open relationship, you see how she moves down in the boxes below , to just a sleeper or sweeper.
yep. she'd sink like a rock on that chart.
exactly. that precise thing happened to me about 8 times
If someone asks for an open relationship, they can move out of the boxes and into the street. I could never disrespect myself so much as to even entertain that kind of dynamic. It’s either monogamy or none of me.
Street sweeper zone.@@Totsy30
This sounds like a maladaptive behavior - perhaps she wants you to express possession of her, but can't just say it in a healthy manner?
8 times in a row sounds like there's something you aren't hearing or seeing - maybe it was a modern day bid to "put a ring on it" but in the weirdest of ways. Did you say yes or no cuz she may have I want you to "say no" followed by actions to make her feel validated, and then within a week or two a ring.
Women do this thing where they expect us to be toxic like they get, so she may have wanted or expected for you to get loud and aggro and throw a fit but they just can't understand us as adult beings in control of our emotions.
Glad you talked about friendzone attachment.
I’ve seen several videos lately of women complaining that they lost their friend-zoned friend to another woman that is marrying or dating them.
Sh!t is selfish and bogus.
People are selfish. There's plenty of guys who could be Prince Charming for a 4, yet they won't cause they'd rather be in good situationship with a 6. And this rudimentary example assumes no foul play and no cheating, just imagine how much more complicated it can get when you allow those realistic things. People are greedy, not just women.
@@MrMrtvozornikmen are by no means close to saints
It’s just woman are a bit worse when it comes to romance
@@MrMrtvozornik Choosing the 6 over the 4 is not selfish. It would be pointless for a man to choose a level so low that it results in erectile disfunction.
@@MrMrtvozornik looks are biological indicators. Just because you're altruistic doesn't mean you'll settle to decrease the quality of your offsprings.
@@thedog5kthey're worst because they still don't get proper punishment for their actions.
For most of our history, the world was built on a system that allows women to perform a very limited and specific set of roles, meaning they had less agency and were treated in accordance. After the woman's rights movement, this changed completely, but the cultural norms still stayed, which is why we see so many conflicting messages about dating today.
I'm not saying we should go back to 'ye olde days. I genuinely think the feminist movement did a lot of good at its prime, but along with the cultural shift, we should also change our approach to dating, which means men need to have a zero-tolerance policy for women's BS. Simping might've worked for your grandpa, but it won't work for you.
I love the simplicity of version 2. It makes it easier to memorise. But your new one is good at explaining the details so cheers
Bravo, I love the breakdown, gives me a pretty full refresher course of all these books and articles I've read, self reflection I've done, and behavior I've observed.
Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Hoe Math
Become prince-chaming: "Give everything she wants." One way or another, one must simp, even if secretly.
If you are in the prince charming zone, or even the husband zone, she will work herself to death for you too.
@@jbullforg Lies. For the prince charming? Perhaps. For the husband zone? Nope. Otherwise we wouldn't have the high levels of divorce and cheating we have today.
Well no, because that's the guy in the friend zone. Prince charming, at least according to the chart, doesn't tolerate mid behavior from her.
isn't "reciprocated simping" basically a synonym for "a perfect relationship where both people give each other everything they want and more"?
of course, if she's not reciprocating, don't waste your effort
@@otaviolobo7989 that's when you slip from the husband zone into friend zone and she thinks she can do better with 2 kids post wall. good luck.
This has got to be the most informative thing I’ve watched since the start of the new year. Thanks
Been a huge fan of your content, love the knowledge you spread
Let it be known *You are doing God's Work* friend. Thank you for your time and effort on these videos and graphs. You're gonna leave a permanent mark on the world.
Teenagers are so lucky. I WISH I had hoe_math when I was in high school I would’ve avoided so many headaches.
Ikr. Imma try to make it effect my college dating life better
@@ayhangoksu6284Affect*
Not trying to be a dickhead. It's just good to know the difference if you're planning on atttending university.
Teenagers today must now deal with LGTB and there are a huge number of bisexual teens. Straight white males in their teens and early 20s are in real trouble !! Really, same with straight white females. I think parents and grandparents need to create small organizations to get these young people to meet at parties and dances - making sure that those attending are straight and lean towards the more traditional idea of family and male-female relationships.
Just having someone be honest and say it : first get fit and clean, because she's not "fucking your niceness". Make a body that she will want to touch.
Ngl, your chart even down to the naming of some of the subject boxes and such, feels like i have a translated copy of this in my head, even though this is the first time ive seen your vids. You out here doing the world a favor my guy.. keep it up
"You are like a brother to me"
I hate it becuase she told me that.
Hahaha roasted
Sorry about that, fam
I just realized something. I worked at a spook alley. I'm 6'2. Without seeing my face girls would show interest in me. Not just as a joke. And i realized that the spookiness was me exhibiting dark triad traits. Just without the face.
"Spook alley" sounds racist af. 💀
I'm interested in this too (0_0 )
Saving this
elaborate...
Look up his short titled, Ghostface. It talks about this exact thing, guys wearing a mask of a serial killer being crazy hot to women.
You are so skilled at turning super complex topics into charts that are so helpful and easy to understand. Thank you for putting so much thought into your videos!
Hey I was watching your videos and thought they were amazing. You clearly put a lot of hard work into your drawings and I think you definitely deserve to take a vacation. ❤ Thanks for the great content.
Thank you for putting this into words, and specific "zones", hopefully this has helped many!
Whats most impressive is how you pulled this off in the middle of a vyvanse shortage
I lost my health insurance and I only have 2 pills left
@@hoe_math one of us
Dextroamphetamines aren't in short supply :)
@@hoe_math dude! I probably have about 70 just sitting here that I'm not even using, but I'm in Canada LOL
In other words a husband is a guy that she's settling for who's willing to put in more time and effort than the other guys. That's the most morbid and true thing I've ever heard.
Well men are always telling women to lower their expectations in order to find a man. 9 times out of ten, when they marry a guy that loves them, they are settling for a most acceptable version of "less than ideal"
@@bluebutterfly5062 I guess Chris Rock was right all this time. "Your woman is always bad at you because you ain't her first choice". IDK man, it all just feels pointless. All that effort just to be a silver or bronze medal.
@@dannyboy1200 the only thing you can do about it is refuse to be a silver/bronze. This is what women do, and it leads you down two paths: working your ass off only up appease the opposite sex or never finding a stable relationship.
In a true loving, enduring relationship, both parties probably could do better and if either stopped doing the right thing, their partner would be out the door. This balance of power has to exist for things to maintain themselves. We all have to settle a bit without giving up our self-respect, and it's a tight rope to walk
@@dannyboy1200 Silver or bronze, and then you have to keep getting better until you die, at risk of her destroying a marriage, taking the kids, and taking half of everything you worked for while she saved away her money and bought things she liked.
Remember what he said in the beginning of the video? This is relative to secularism. Two people practicing and growing in a spiritual faith tradition are significantly less likely to view their forever mate in the way that you describe. My advice for you, if you’re in fear of this, is to find someone committed to a faith practice just as much as you.
Values are an incredibly important factor to two people being attracted to one another, especially for lifetime partners. I actually think it may be the most important factor.
For example, I am a Christian - if I am only open to marrying another Christian, I can be 90% certain we will share the same values, because all Christian’s who follow the religion will all believe in and share the same values.
I know this from experience, my ex was not a Christian however she had Christian values, so we were compatible. But because she had some non-Christian values, for example different opinions on abortion, sex, marriage etc, we would argue and not agree on topics we were extremely passionate about. This is part of the reason we are not together anymore.
Sharing the same values is the reason people connect, make groups and relationships, it’s scientifically proven that we are attracted to people who are similar to us.
I think this is why it is important to unapologetically be yourself, that way you will signal to other people who share your values that you’re compatible. It also helps filter out people who you’re not compatible with and will probably make you miserable because they behave in ways that go against your values.
It definitely helps being up-front about your values. It's how you set boundaries and figure out whether or not you are compatible. Disagreeing on minutiae, we can deal with that, disagreeing on something we hold very dear/sacred, yeah, that's likely a no-go.
Having similar values might be the way out of having relationships that are transactional towards relationships based on connection. I'd argue that people in transactional relationships are less happy overall.
@@AyyyVik thanks for the reply man, you raised some interesting points.
Yo, i absolutely love your work, i wish i could explain my thoughts and put the pieces together to make it a comprehensive thing such as your videos.
I crave to witness the day science and philosophy will become one.
a lot to learn,
thank you for sharing.
Even though I'm married I find these videos fascinating. Its like a map to my past and reverse engineering my relationships and my behavior. I have been mostly the bad boy to women but also was friend zoned as well. I even went from bad boy to husband material to friend zone with one of my exes. Its interesting to analyze it. For instance I went from husband zone aka this woman wanted to marry me to friend zone after getting severely sick for almost 2 years in my early 20s she gave up on me because Ill admit it was a pathetic time in my life. I think this could be beneficial in some ways to teach my sons especially my oldest who I believe is not going to be smooth with women like I always was. I also do not want my sons to go down the path I did of sleeping around it destroys your ability to attach. I found God after becoming a father and I am raising my sons to be good God fearing men.
I have been every box 10 times
I can’t believe how detailed it is, it’s actually unbelievable how good he makes these, and how much he knows and describes it
I love the way you break things down to a basic level so it can be easily understood.
This is genius level work and I appreciate your efforts 💎
This is like a 4 year study on modern relationships in under 1/2 hour.
Absolute genius!
Should be mandatory study in high schools.
Incredible amount of clarity and content.
This chart should be sold as a poster so everyone that become confused and bewildered can look at it at length and apply it to their experience and gain clarity.
Of course, at the end of the day, there’s the Bullshit Level. This is the accumulative amount of complexity and confusion that will eventually make a person question whether the relationship is worth continuing or not.
At that point, it’s already over and just the miserable denouement needs to play out.
This is too much. I was happy before i saw this video for ffs...my brain has melted
well you can use either version. I'm not taking the old one away.
Rule 1:
Be attractive
Rule 2:
Do not be un-attractive.
Welcome to life
@@samuelallard141I failed life
You don't fail til you die. Do what you can so you can do what you must.@@giveitatry951
So you want to be a bad boy then?
@@dankopatrik5579who?
FANTASTIC! ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT! SUCH A GEM! YOU'VE CRACKED THE CODE! Thank you so much. It helps me better understand ME and thus better choose my future husband, my PIt really helps understand each other, make peace. Thank you soooooo much!❤❤❤rince Charming as you state it.
“Give her everything she needs and she’ll be way less likely to look elsewhere.” 😂
"I guess you could say I just want to have a meaningful relationship with someone special."
- hoe_math
He's speaking for all of us. Sad that's impossible eh?
@@StarboyXL9 No, no, it ain't, it's just harder now. Much is harder, now. But we must try.
I have to return some video tapes
Post scriptum: What I deeply like of your contents is that they can be labelled as "red pills" but you are the ONLY one pointing as nature of things without anger, feels like the ONLY one red pill content actually showing a way out or if you like, a set of solutions to problems and not just like superficial reaction to the bad situation we all expirience when it comes to dating and mating
Lol, he does have anger, he's just passive aggressive regarding that since he can use plausible deniability about it as displaying anger is shamed in men and makes them be viewed as the aggressors by leftists
the pink pill if you will
That's exactly what red pill is. What you don't understand is that red pill is another set of words for "truth". It's not made of all of these angry creators, it's made of information.
Wrath may be one of the seven deadly sins but throughout history it seems that wrath against evil is necessary.
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I agree with the OP here.
1 word, OUTSTANDING!
The Years of experience, introspection, emotional upheavals, trying to figure it out, and research shows.
it's interesting to point that languages and our way of speak play a huge role in the relationships. impressive work by the way
Here's my own take on this: When describing the man they want they only describe the qualities necessary for a man to be a good husband (good sense of morals, loyalty, leadership, a good provider, etc.) the Marriage/M-qualities you could say, the one's represented on the "good guy"/security scale on the video, but they never considered that said potential man would or would not have the qualities that make men attractive to them, the ones that make women aware of said men in the first place, the A-qualities, represented in the video by the "bad guy"/attachment scale. That's why women never consider the attraction qualities and ignore men who are high on the good guy scale and easily fall for the guys high on the bad guy scale even though they're low on the former scale, because in their minds if men don't have the A-qualities then they might as well not exist or they think that if they don't outwardly show A-qualities then they can't have the M-qualities. One part of this is because in their minds unless a man is outwardly showing said qualities to the world for all to see then it means that said man doesn't possess them in the first place. However there are four things they don't understand:
First: Regarding both these qualities there are three types of men, those with only A-qualities but no M-qualities known as the bad guys, those with M-qualities but no A-qualities known as the "nice" guys and men who possess both qualities, the ones known as Good Men.
Second: Most men who only have M-qualities during their youth won't develop A-qualities until their mid adulthood if they ever do and those who possess A-qualities won't develop M-qualities until their late adulthood if they ever do, wich is more rare than the former scenario. The men who are able to develop both qualities in an equal/balanced measurement are rare.
Third: women erroneously believe that they can get a man with high A-qualities to develop the M-qualities but they can't. Women can't change men, they can only support and help a man while he's developing and improving himself if he actually wants to and is willing to put the work inn. They don't understand that a bad guy has no incentives to change his attitude since said attitude is the very reason low quality women initiate relationships with them. Why would they change the very thing that's gotten so many women and said women are basically validating it?
And fourth: Men who have M-qualities or both aren't goint to outwardly show either of them. They will keep said qualities "close to their chest" and won't outwardly show them because said M-qualities naturally temper mens actions and teach them not to show said qualities on their sleeves for the world to see because it might attract unwanted attention. This is why men who have A-qualities but not M-qualities will outwardly show the former because they don't have the latter qualities to temper them. Also because they know that outwardly showing A-qualities will make it easier to get the attention of women who are easy to "engage" with in an intimate manner without commitment, women who men high in the "good man" scale would want nothing to do with. To put it in simple words in most women's eyes a man who qualifies as a "prince charming" would look like someone who only qualifies for the "husband zone" and someone in the "husband zone" would look like someone who only qualifies in the "friend zone" and so on.
So in short most women are easily attracted to men who only have A-qualities but not M-qualities and erroneously belive they can get them to develop the latter, but they can't. And men with both qualities are basically invincible to them because they don't outwardly show them and most women won't take the time/don't have the temperament and patience to verify if they do, which is what dating is ment to be for in the first place.
You've hit the nail on the head here. Completely agree!
As accurate an observation as I've ever seen
A brilliant observation. And a though pill to swallow.
Completely accurate and sad
Well said, man. Good write-up.
Outstanding work. Makes me so glad that those days are far behind me. Good luck to all of you trying to get your life together in this "Computer Brain" era.
I’m exhausted just watching this, Jesus Christ 😅. Dudes really be this obsessed with dating.
The first time I'm supporting a TH-camr directly, you are gonna go a long way keep em coming!🎉
I appreciate the split of Competence and Confidence, I have plenty of the former but not much of the latter (thanks, dad!) but I'm working on that.
@@beowulf_of_wall_st Real.
@@beowulf_of_wall_st I am by working through it. That's how that works, it's a process. I know what I need to do for myself but I'm only human and it's natural to have a period of anger/grieving.
@@beowulf_of_wall_st nothing wrong with acknowledging where your problems come from. Taking responsibility means realizing you still have to fix it yourself
Great video, very well put together with an interesting analysis with entertaining commentary.
Thanks for making these.
You should laminate them and sell them, kinda like how useful charts sells his.
i do. they're on my linktree in my bio.
linktr.ee/hoe_math
You should listen more.
Yeah, not listening puts you down a few points on the Secure scale
Watching this videos makes me realize the amount of work we have to put in just to fuck, and if u get into a relationship u will get shit tested still. Honestly each day im more sure that the juice its not worth the squeeze, it all comes to the ability of controling your sex drive and putting it to use into other actual usefull things
it was about a relationship all along. and that takes work from both ppl and isnt about sex. sex isnt something you get... unless it's the vending-machine that is your ai sex doll. sex isnt a product 😂
If you only care about sex, why don't you buy a sex doll? Seems like you want only one thing and not a meaningful relationship with another human being
@@lottavuorinen ur still blue pill and believe in "love" And all that disney tale stuff, thats the problem
@@visi7891 ur still blue pilled
@@Im_Anthonyy Categorizing people "us vs them"-style is a sign of low intelligence. I'm not bluepill or whatever else label there's floating in your circlejerks. I never mentioned love, only relationships. If seeing women as human beings is that difficult for you, no wonder you're alone