How Attractive
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
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"How Attractive" is the shortest possible answer I can give to the question: "how do I know how attractive I am?" This is the most common question I've been getting.
In order to find out, you will need to develop the social skills of: 1. knowing what other people think about you in particular, and 2. how people think about attractiveness in general.
This diagram and video should be used along with "Zones" and "The Standard Female Delusion Chart" for maximum understanding.
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My womanizer Uncle gave me the best advice on this years ago. He said don't ask anyone how attractive they think you are, just pay attention to how women treat you in your day to day life.
Old women love me! Guess I gotta play to that market and accept it :'(
Yeah, women treat me neutrally. Platonically, and professionally. I don’t sense overt flirting, or ever detect exceptional “openness” or niceness. At the same time, I don’t sense disgust or an aversion when interacting with me.
I guess I’m just unbearably…..average.
@@breadman32398 hey hey hey, there are plenty of old women who are hot, don't berate the market
@@breadman32398😂😂
I’ve never had a chick hit on me smh. 🤦🏾♂️
I remember one time at a house party i approached a girl when she was sitting by herself. I sat beside her, smiled and asked: "hey, are you from the school too?". She made a wierd face, like if i just asked her an embarrasing question, then she stood up and left, just like that, without saying anything. This was like 10 years ago and still lives in my head rent free, always making me wonder why did i do wrong. Turns out i was just ugly.
the life of a "not people" male
Sorry you went through that. Behaviour like this should be called out more. It points to the reality, but noone needs to be an asshole like that
I went through similar more mild experiences in my teenage years, it's crazy how much your perspective and mindset can change over your lifetime as well as how you view yourself and how others view you
What does it mean if a girl only gets trash looking guys or none In general?
"girl when she was sitting by herself" i read shitting herself 🤣
After a few years of marriage and a few babies I saw a recent picture of myself and I could not believe how much weight I had gained and how frumpy I looked. My hubby never said anything of course but I felt pretty terrible. So without a word to him about my plan, I worked out a healthy diet plan, worked out, lost 35 pounds and toned and tanned my body, got some hair extensions and a few sexy outfits and over the course of these 6 months my husband became infatuated with me. I also tried to become more mysterious. In small ways like not peeing in front of him anymore, not sharing every little thought or problem I had, getting a hobby, and being more seductive in my mannerisms. It was a little work for such a huge reward. Personal development should never stop. It can make a marriage so juicy!
What we have here is a unicorn.
@@Maxwell-mb7xnstop dehumanizing her. she's just a reasonable person. not everyone is like that, but many people are.
@@abelhapedras lmao, get that victim narrative outta here. Even she wouldnt agree with you. It has no place in a civilized society.
@Bonafidegoldie you the real MVP
Honestly if you want your wives to give birth to many children (aka being walking incubator) and put her existence and all efforts into holding a family, then you can't expect and demand from her to look good. It's very rare that pregnancies are not gonna destroy you completely. Yes, it's possible to fix it somewhat with working out and all, but when you're gonna have time for yourself if you are constantly busy with kids?? The only way is for men to do 50% of work around kids, and that's something that majority of men will never want to do because such tasks are boring and exausting. Men want tons of kids, perfect looking wife and free time for hobbies and fun. They want something that's impossible so they decide to cheat with another woman who looks good and doesn't have all those harsh life curcumstances to make her body look bad. And that male delusion is one of the main problems in marriages.
When you are good looking, everyone tells you how good looking you are, when you are ugly, you have to find that out yourself.
Well people must be lying when they say I'm pretty. Cause I've been single for over a year. Maybe it's my abrasive personality as of late, maybe it's (lack of) maybelline.
Nope. You feel it. If you are a guy, girls will find you repulsive and brother, you will notice. If you are a girl, likewise: zero attention from guys. For girls it's even worse since they are given praise at a veery young age.
@@audreydoyle5268 a lot of people been single their whole life so there s that
@@audreydoyle5268was it women telling you you’re pretty? Because if so then yes they are lying
Unless you’re a teen/young adult, no sober woman is going to come up to a man glazing him telling him how attractive he is 😂😂
This is unironically some of the best dating advice I've ever seen.
If one understands that after you know the rules you can break the rules.
What part of this helps you get a date?
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 You break the rules, you get what you deserted.
@@yoeyyoey8937 None.
Go to gym
Bro, the handwritten pictures and graphs add so much originality and personality. You’re also a good artist. Please don’t stop this. It’s what makes you, YOU
And it makes it a lot easier to remember all this, compared to if it was only spoken.
I'm picturing a grown man with Crayola markers totally engrossed in a drawing project. And when someone says that it looks cute, what's he making he tells them "It's to show why women are hoes"
They are actually shit but its all good. Some folks ain't Mona Lisa
@@YouilAushana everything can be improved with more repetition. Like your unstable skating abilities.
Deadass I don't even care about dating advice.
I watch him because he's articulate and makes some kickass charts.
I was a 2 in high school. I spent $7500 fixing my teeth, 10+ years strength training in the gym and built a 300x20 rep barbell squat at 190 pounds BW 5’10”, and my income is now $220k/year. I’m now a 6 and women still don’t notice me. Thankfully all the work I did, I did for myself and not for women. I have no regrets whatsoever.
make sure you stand straight as this exudes confidence to women that they can see at a distance. your strides must be long and your head high and maintaining eye contact. Then your a 7 and in the race. Clean cut and looking 220k with the expensive clothing ensure you are a 7. Women identify your self belief and net worth with these things. Remember they are resource gathers not romantics. men are actually the romantic ones. The reason why women go on about romance all the time is because it is all about more resource gathering for them.
Next step is learn some pick up artists techniques and start being proactive because some of that stuff shortcircuits the whole system here. If you can engage her emotionally you can make her attracted.
@@harijotkhalsa9496 While PUA does work (on mostly lower quality women), I like my personality the way it is.
@@mensaswede4028 PUA fundamentals will work on all women to varying extents. Hey, if you're sure, I'd just hate for a self improving person to not get all the options they deserve be made available. I hope you're not coming from a prideful or self defeating place when you say that. I know some saintly men who are top notch husband material who stay single basically indefinitely but if they understood hoemaths good guy vs bad boy scale better they'd be way happier now.
Maybe focus on your values and find someone who matches your energy. Women will tend to be more invested in people who share in some interest. I.e. are you an experiencer person? Take people on adventures and have fun. Are you more introverted? Take people to coffee shops and discuss books/movies etc. someone "noticing" you doesnt really mean anything and is just something to inflate the ego. Relationships and dating take intentional effort. If you just want someone to fawn over you because of looks and to have sex with, then no wonder people aren't *noticing* you. That's hollywood and not how it really works. And typically women can read that energy. It's called "fuck boi".
“If you make yourself better and get to this line, then YOU get to be difficult and I HIGHLY recommend this.”
That one got me. 😂🤣😂 ☠️
It is true. 😂
Its just hard to get there.
@@julonkrutor4649 im trying to make the challenge fun and exciting, even if its delusion, whatever it takes to get there lol
yup, the richer the guy or hotter the woman, the more things they can get away with P:
oh the women ares still difficult, you just get to throw it back at them without the repercussions
"Don't give energy to people who don't give back, and pick from whoever is left!" - How to date summarized in one sentence!
"Damn, there's no one left" - My dating life
It sounds like good advice until you realize that's only going to leave you with a bunch of '1's and '2's even though you're a solid 7.
@@willshad question: are you actually a seven.
going by name and pfp, im guessing male so..
Assume your perceived about -3
This advice also works with friendships and acquintances.
@link_team3855
You're exactly the kind of person the saying, "children should be seen and not heard" was meant for.
For the longest time I thought I wasn't that attractive both in physicality and personality, but then I started seeing videos like this and how women only perceive the upper 20-30% of men as viable for partners both casual and romantic, and realized the fact that I was even having a fair amount of casual relationships meant that I was in that upper 20-30% of men. Social media has absolutely destroyed the reality and egos of women, but men we gotta be real. Our lusting and thirsting over them on the internet is the reason they're so delusional, we need to get our shit in check and quit acting like animals on the internet and sending dm's or liking/commenting on their shit just because they're attractive.
Some of the truest shit said down here. Wish more people would realize this
Is that even close to realistic as an assumption? Only 20-30 percent??
@@Vivian-ks7jr Based on a lot of case studies only 20-30% of men are seen as ideal partners by the majority of women another 20-30% are seen as potential providers but not ideal, meaning these are partners that women tend to settle down with but might not see as an ideal situation, and as of recent studies it shows that another 20-30% of males just arent having any intimacy with women, the sort of surge of incel culture we're seeing. these stats can be slightly adjusted to many variables, but for the younger generations within the west and parts of Europe this absolutely is the trend.
@@Vivian-ks7jr th-cam.com/video/XZbApDoe45E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=4qVYSDTdEQ8F-vSE
This guy gets it
As a solid 3 with no dating or relationship experience, this all appears very complex, but also comprehensive and your means of articulating is easy for me to understand and i can appreciate that. This video helped me to understand some things much better and I appreciate the effort you put into making this. Thank you.
that's what made me thinkning a lot lately. Despite being average/slightly above average I still had very little expereince with women. But guys who are below average don't even get the slightest opportunity to learn this stuff. Combined with BS that media tends to shovel inside our brains - girls and especially guys who look below average must have it very very rough day by day... brootal
Bro this video is just nonsense that some random guy with a youtube made up
@@gewittervonwahrheit5032 care to elaborate on what is "nonsense", I'm actually curious. The video is just about taking observable feedback of how different people rate themselves and others on a scale of 1-10 and trying to explain it with a visual map. He does say that if there is something got wrong or something he missed, he does appreciate feedback. I'm sure whatever issue you have or information you have that he doesn't could be considered in future revisions.
Sorting people in that way seems bizarre to me, sorry. I believe most can change in various ways (go up and down on that ladder) but just have no will to do that, feeling in a way like "after all, it is alright now". Our personalities are too complex for such a 'classification' - this is why I refuse to admit it. Better to look at the past - what scientists have found about sexual relations that developed for many millennia, and why negative things like perversions and mercantilist relationships exist just as the idealized and naive concept of "one true love".
It might be that most societies experienced more polygyny than polyandry since the neolithic or chalcolithic. Or maybe females nowadays can feel more secure living in a household just themselves/with friends (better access to a wider range of jobs), without any husband and children and maybe with a pet; so the pressure to marry is reduced, and more people who would marry if "transported" into the past due to former circumstances, now just choose not to marry/date and I have no problem with this. Males could be at disadvantage because of our innate program of proactivity (stemming from our organisms) in seeking mating and strong infrastructure inside us that pushes us to strive for sexual relations, especially in younger ages - this can be the case for females, but to a much lesser extent, apparently.
You know, back in medieval times in my country, I and a daughter of a person familiar with my father could be assigned to marry later on when we are toddlers, and do that if we survive to adolescence and nothing 'wrong' happens. Today, young males cannot count on this and make the important choice of their brides themselves, although they are usually still nugged to marry and beget children, just as females are.
@@CentaurisNomadus Except for the fact that that's exactly how human relations are. In truth all creatures live under some form of hierarchy. I might tell myself that I fight because I like to do it, but naive is he who thinks I don't fight for the right to reproduce. That is precisely why fighting is an integral part of my being. That is also precisely why women are attracted to my like they are.
But rest assured, when I'm learning how to fight, women are the last thing in my mind. Quite the contrary, I must keep away from women to be able to focus on being what I want to be without them driving me away from my path. Do you understand the seeming contradiction here?
Does it feel alright having no women? Well, it's just that, alright. We can perfectly live without them, we don't need them for absolutely nothing. Especially if prostitution is legalized in your country. But that doesn't mean not looking for achievement and greatness. And not just because you want some chicks, but that's a fairly good reason as well.
"You cannot pick who you like and MAKE him keep you. You have to find out who WANTS to keep you, and pick your favorite one."
Golden advice for women.
This channel is really helping me understand the mental patterns of how we perceive each other.
I am only just getting started, and I will move into new realms as I grow. I'm going to get into social things like why people changed during 9/11 and c nine teeeeeeen and how to deal.
@@hoe_math oh god please do. As a person in his 30s, it was crazy to see how society changed. With the birth of the TSA we became more strict and policy driven.
@@hoe_math My people didnt change one bit after 9/11, and we will forever curse the americans for making air travel so difficult.
@@hoe_matha Video about your politic opinions would also be great
@@sea5058 What about a video diving into how confirmation bias and groupthink reinforce each other and how it can be exploited in tribalist people by those in powerful positions - as well as the conditioning effect it has on an affected person's thinking?
"Find out who wants to keep you and pick your favorite one"
Every woman should hear this quote. It literally would cure all modern women and their dating problems. This guy nailed this. Videos usually are about the guy's perspective, but this video actually struck gold here for the women side. Almost all women, attractive or not, who are unmarried and whine why they cannot find a guy fail at this. They choose guys exclusively by how attracted they are to THEM.
A single woman who wants a relationship should instead ask, what men who I know, dated, or asked me out really want ME, like go out of their way for ME, and who is the most attractive one I like in that subset. You choose that guy you will be happily married.
It's good advice, but it's also worth remembering why women don't in fact do this. They're not just klutzes. A minority of men get the majority of women, so they would rather continue trying their luck for their five minutes with Chad competing with other women in the hopes he commits to them, than settle for men they see as beneath them (most men) even if they know those men would like them. Those men will still be waiting for them when they are older and losing their value, after all.
@@rx0102 There's a good chance that Chad will never commit to anyone. Why should he?
@@honzo1078 My assumption is at some point Chad will want a family, which implies at least a committed relationship and most of the time marriage. however, I admit that I have no idea statistically what becomes of older Chads, maybe lots of them never settle or just have kids irresponsibly in a buncha low-commitment relationships. An older Chad I know personally with a bodycount in the hundreds is happily married though.
@@rx0102the thing about a relationship between an average girl and a chad is that the chad would never commit to an average girl. Average girls will vie for the approval of guys out of their caliber, without realizing there is no potential for a relationship. Most girls dont want just 5 minutes with a guy they want a relationship but fail to see that only men who are in their league will commit to them
@@rx0102 right. Why I said this is good advice for women to do this instead. They used to. Guys would court them and they would choose who was the best in that subset instead of trying for some unobtainable guy
Rule No. 1: Be attractive
Rule No. 2: Don't be unattractive
Easy as that
I agree with probably all of this (I'd have to rewatch and sleep on it to say definitively), but one thing you kept out is how an environment can TOTALLY change things. I've been working on myself A LOT these last few months, and started getting a LITTLE bit more attention from the ladies than usual (Nothing to write home about, just a little extra friendliness, SOMETIMES). However, back when I was in my long-term relationship and had kind of let myself go (Covid era), I visited my tiny hometown of 2,000 with my mom. She wanted to take a picture of me in front of a little small-town pride type art piece (WE LOVE OUR TINY TOWN type thing)... An older man with a clear preference for chewing tobacco and his daughter walked by. She was damn near frothing at the mouth looking at us, while her dad offered to take a photo of my mom and me together. There aren't a lot of young men that take decent care of them selves in that rural part of my state.
Also, when I was quite a bit younger and living in my first 1-bed all on my own in the big city, I'd rarely get looks from women, even after pushing myself to be physically fit... Except for this one time when I was at my apartment's little swimming pool trying to get some laps in. I caught them gawking quite a bit at my shirtless body. We were the only ones in that pool area.
The point is, environment and availability of competing men can make a world of difference. In the first case above, i would guess that the young lass didn't get a lot of access to social media/internet, and so wouldn't have such elevated expectation, especially out there in the small town.
yep this needs to be taken into account. know your competition/the cultural expectations and use them to your advantage! i heard from my friend of a man, who was socially crippled by his deep insecurities about his short height as a 5'8 man... he was indeed quite short in norway, where he lived, but if he moved anywhere else, he would be just fine!
This is why the internet/social media has ruined dating for most men. Just as eBay ruined the value of many collectibles by making valuable items easy to find.....reducing their value.
@@PayNoTax-GetNoVote i can see how you might feel that way. i prefer to think that competition is healthy and good, and it inspires me to become my best self instead of coasting in mediocrity. there is nothing and no one that will ever reduce my value or my worth. thanks to the internet, anyone can find their match, and no one has to unhappily settle for less, or make due without. ive found that overcoming challenges is where real life satisfaction is found anyway haha, and no matter my circumstances or what is going on around me, its my practice of gratitude and appreciation that makes me happiest, whether things are going the way i want them too or not
I moved to a small, rural town ten years ago. I never got much attention in the city; I'd say I'm a five or a six, but out here, I get more attention. It also helps that I'm of mixed race out here in this 98% white town.
Just don't take her where you can't compete though lmfao
As informative as this was all I needed to hear was “guys down here tend to think women are just difficult” and I knew exactly where I stood on the scale . Boop. Time to go work on myself 😂
Nah it can be true that a lot of people are just difficult once you really start getting to know them. People are more complicated underneath their social and biological preprogrammed behavior.
He's not right about that... women in the west really are just difficult. Awful, actually, is the word. This is the case even if you're a 10 as a guy. Yeah you can get laid a ton, but good luck keeping that woman as a wife. Women will still cheat on men like that. They just can't help themselves, a combination of feminist brainwashing and their own inbuilt nature makes them ruin it eventually. Usually it lasts about a max of 7 years, after which the "this is boring, time to dumpster my life and find another guy to plant his seed in me" instinct kicks in. Some kind of screwed up evolutionary strategy to maximize genetic variation.
@@88Padilla fax
@@Sunevey Ye. People shouldn't forget that none of this accounts for most people being average in intelligence and not knowing what they want nor what "the right choice" is for anything in their lives. In a world where everything is happening perfectly logically, this would apply, but feelings aren't logical, and neither is our interpretation of them despite us convincing ourselves that it is.
@@88Padilla it also makes the very fallacious assumption the people see other people in value sets. Not experience sets. The truth is experience sets will always be far more powerful than any rationale. The whole "working on yourself" will innately be self-defeating if it's not self-focused and will only lead to resentment.
For rule #1. It makes me think back to the expression of "The one who has the most power in the relationship is the one who is least invested in it." Something I don't wish was the case, but has been a repeated pattern observed in others and in myself in reality that is incongruent with the marketed romanticism of relationships; the power dynamic and disparity between partners on value scales.
I didnt like that saying as well so i went out to the world and gave it my best effort.
Yep. Back to the drawing board for me. that warning label needs to be heeded. Needs to be in whmis/osha training.
The "bluepilled" romance only works when both people have the redpill foundation of attractiveness set and are relatively on the same level on the scale (thus achieving 50-50 investment and making the power dynamic hard to spot)
Just always be willing to walk away from any woman and you'll always be the man in the relationship, women hate when you "need" them, but love to be wanted.
@@OLDPEDOJOE "It's not a negotiation if you're not willing to walk away from the table."
Makes me sick
1. Energy you get - energy you give = your value to your partner
2. Level of partners offering fair exchange = your level
"...looking at what kind of person gives you about the same as what they take"
"Don't give people energy that they don't give back, and then pick from whoever is left"
I (white) am currently in Kenya on an internship, and I've literally gotten more attention from random women today than i have from women in years. Attractiveness seems to depend also on location and how much you stand out.
Good observation. In Asia I am TALL and muscular. In the US I am average height and SKINNY
In Kenya it’s because your white the women will automatically put you on a pedestal just because of your race
As a guy, If you're not particularly attractive and you're introverted/shy you're essentially screwed.
If you're ugly but extroverted and outgoing you have a chance; if you're attractive but shy you also have a chance. If you're not attractive plus not extroverted (two negatives) it's much much harder
introverted does not mean that you're scared of meeting or approaching other people,that one is called communication issues and social anxiety, introvert is just a person who spends most of their time by him/her self and needs time to recharge before social interactions.
Ugly but extroverted is a great way to get in trouble
@@ilya1565Yep, shyness is a sign of Neuroticism, I'm very Extroverted and shy because I'm a Neurotic Extrovert.
@@Krelian4400go outside lol
@@HowlingMoai I'm constantly outside. I work at a bar. You know who gets security called on them at the bar? Ugly men being extroverted by hitting on women and making them "uncomfortable."
This dude is just red pill just without the toxicity and hatred holy W
This is called lookism dude nothing new
So redpill without ragepill?
This is actually more blackpill than redpill
If you are a man and you talk about relationships and your advise isn’t just to try harder then you are red pill at this point to most people. It’s kind of funny. If a woman said this nothing would change. So tired of the bs labels.
He's better than redpill because his advice actually ends in an ideal relationship for both parties.
Before I start this video i shall remind myself, that at least my mom says I'm handsome.
"I don't recommend treating people this way , I'm just saying you can be valued ❤" 😂 This line's ironically hilarious.🎉
I love your art and coloring. I would love to be able to do charts like this with other stuff. Having it done by hand adds a lot of charm to it.
It's also WAY FASTER. I only chose paper as the medium because creating the visuals and shooting the videos is EASY. I can make 4 tiktoks a day in under an hour of work.
@@hoe_mathcan we get these laminated please !!
I agree. It's also refreshing to see it that way, instead of the current methods.
@@hoe_mathCan we get PDFs of these drawings you did?
Yeah i agree hand drawn has a special feeling to it
“That’s why we used to have marriage”
Yeah that one hurt
It hurts a lot but it’s good to remember that men don’t want marriage because it makes me work less hard for it with them. I’m coming to a slow sad acceptance that I won’t have anyone to marry and am starting to focus on other areas of my life such as platonic friendships, hobbies, and travel. I think acceptance is the best strategy rather than keeping fighting it.
@@lexa_power idk exactly what u mean by "it makes me work less hard for it with them" unless u mean u have neglected your husband(s) in the past once you married him/them (?). i will say that many men are giving up on marriage because of serious family court and alimony issues, which makes marriage a much bigger risk for men than it has been historically. marriage makes absolutely no sense for a modern secular/irreligious man.
@@lexa_power
I'm pretty sure most men do not want to legally marry because divorce laws are biased against them.
*coughs* and Christianism *cough cough*
@@funygameur Funny how when God makes things they're good, wild. Who'd have known? It's not like He told....oh wait, yeah He did, multiple times across the millennia.
4:47 Bro that's the german youtuber "Tanzverbot" 💀
it's probably just someone using his profile picture
😂😂
I have to say, whoever made those drawn charts is a true legend, the drawing are absolutely amazing, plus the shadowing, the color gradients etc. magnificent !
This is actually true. A couple years ago I left a job. Since then I’ve lost 30 lbs of fat and put on muscle, learned to groom myself and dress better. With those improvements I’ve also become more confident when interacting with people. Anyways I had a crush at the job I left and our conversations always felt like I was putting in more effort. Well recently I started working at the company again, and she’s been more engaged in our conversations than ever.
I am amazed you still want her.
#TheWallIsUndefeated
Bet I can guess your height lol. Piece of advice: don't worry about what these vampires are attracted to. Their just a product for men to literally use. Otherwise they are a waste of time and money
@@jabnewmedia Y'all need more Jesus! ^^
@@KritikanbringerSo he would be more P-whipped? The reason why most men struggle with women and fail is because women despise men who give them the benefit of doubt and treat them like humans.
Attraction isn't a choice, you're either in or you're out; if a woman finds you attractive at first, you can always build that attraction through personality or destroy it. You can't however, make someone attracted to you through personality. The sooner you learn this, the sooner you can start dating women who like you.
It hard because what do you mean by attraction? Attraction by physical appearance? Social status? Financial status?? There are multiple ways someone to be found attractive
Another big thing about attraction for women is mannerisms, which is something that can be learned. You might be average but a way to make women attracted to you is the way you carry yourself. If you learn to carry yourself confidently and casually a lot more women will become attracted to you. To me personally, I really don’t mind guys who are conventionally a bit ugly, but it really depends on how they carry themselves. Things like posture, the softness of your movements, this gives of an air of silent confidence. The best way to describe it is; it’s like you know who you are and you’re okay with it, but also you don’t take yourself too seriously. What I’m saying is there are ways to make yourself more attractive to women initially which don’t involve your physical appearance. A lot of women who might be really attractive will still go for conventionally unattractive men because to them , they are attractive. Also, women generally value personality much higher than looks, especially compared to men. But it is true that if a woman doesn’t find you in any way attractive, not even a little bit, then unless you change she probably never will. However, this doesn’t mean that just because your ugly women won’t like you as I think women have much more varied personal preferences than men, whereas men generally all prefer conventionally attractive women.
@@unclejunebug7178 Attraction is not a choice, she either is into you or she's not, none of those things will make a woman attracted to you.
@@oa5538 Every woman's wet dream is just to have a confident man who is secure within himself, who knows what he wants and takes the lead. That's pretty much what you just described, confident but not cocky, leader but not controlling. Leading women is an art, and most men only know how to finger paint. 🤣🤣
@@OLDPEDOJOE I mean yeah, pretty much. As long as you’re sure with yourself some women will probably find you attractive. That’s the most important thing to me (as long as they’re not too secure, or stupid)
I got a really heart felt “I want to spend more time with you confession” so of course I chickened out afraid I’d be to forceful and ruined a 6 month hours daily relationship in two weeks by being distant and awkward. In hindsight she liked when I was forceful with chatting as it was a distraction from her life chaos and I always asked her about things she wanted to talk about from foods to frustrations.
So like 7 Years ago when I randomly decided to grow my hair really long (big man bun and everything) I started getting ALOT of attention from girls around me that I wasn't getting before; I even dated one girl because she liked my hair. Later when I cut my hair I got less attention, and I grew it back the attention came back too. I now refuse to cut my hair ever again, and will continue to rock TF outta my man bun till I die.
on average longer hair suits men better than short, for short hair you need the genes thats for man and woman its just men refuse to care
Can I ask what kind of women. Do you see a particular type or no. I grew out my hair and started getting attention from mostly women 10+ years older than me.
@@James-vd4bh it's kind of a mix wit older women and ones my age; but the girls my age were more frequent with it, and of course more interested in a relationship than the older ones. That's the only real constant I've seen.
Hair is EXTREMELY important. I have naturally curly hair and I once had a girl tell me that “half the reason you are as attractive as you are is because of your hair”. I also had the same experience as you where I had a really short haircut in high school and didn’t get much attention from women but now I have long hair and I get way more positive reactions from women then I used to. I highly recommend getting a good hairstyle cuz it will boost you up a couple points
haha
how about tattoos
I'm married now, but this fits into my field experience 100%.
Wish I had this channel when I was in my 20's instead of having to learn all of this on my own.
Biggest myth that I see many men fall into: your looks dont matter, just your character - women don't care about looks.
BOY, I learned how wrong that was when I got real fit in my late 20's. Totally true with how you can get away with so much shit when you're in the "real people" zone as a guy. I met my wife when I was dating 4 other women casually.
how the hell do you even date 5 people at once thats a full time job
It's not a full time job when a girl will do anything to have you in any capacity. You don't need to "keep up" the relationship. The bare minimum or even LESS is enough for them to stick around.
@@exchangAscribe There are 7 days in a week lol. But jokes aside, it was about a full time job yeah. I only kept it up for about 3 months with that many girls. Met my wife, got to know her and dumped all of the other girls for her (and I even told her about it). I expected her to dump me the moment I told her that I was dating a ton of girls, since that's what I would do if a girl told me that. She didn't though. My wife was the kind of girl do not sleep with anyone until marriage. Dated "sober" if you want to call it that.
Getting too many girls also has a dark side. I had to get used to sobriety while dating my wife. Its hard to get so many and then quit cold turkey.
@@Buapo True. I would see each of the girls one day per week, one phonecall per week as well. I never thought girls would put up with that, but hey....they all did.
@@Viper54K oh i see what you mean. thats the thing ive never considered that dating someone. thats just sounds like fwb or a hookup really.
It's over for diagramcels
never began boyo
@@_tsl time to GO ER
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This channel is amazing bro. Love the funny drawings and clear explanations. I am 56 and as a man with experience I can tell you, everything I see on your channel is spot on.
On Value:
The subjective nature of value is *not* just a matter of perception of "market value" but value *relative* to a subject.
A person could be a 10 in value *for you* and a 6 for *someone else*.
Market value isn't what you need in a partner unless all you want a partner for is social status, in which case you aren't much of a partner and won't have much of a partnership.
You need value *to you*.
I like your work. It's informative, logical, and solution oriented. All without sounding bitter.
hopefully, I sound at least a little bitter. I would hate to be dishonest.
well said
@@hoe_math Don't worry man, you've got the touch 🔥🗺🔥
Its not solution oriented tho. Its prity defeatist saying you must cave to things which shouldnt be that way rather than reforming society.
@@hoe_math Hear me, brother. I like that you want to be honest, but do you realize that rating humans by their looks, money and status makes a big part of what is wrong in this world? I know it is not about what men think, but it is about what women feel and about what works and I agree. It is just sad af, that you are not even contesting the idea, that a man is worthless untill a woman approves of it through the most primitive filters, that are availible and by techology that is evidentially destroying social structures like the family unit.
You just accept all of this madness and try to fit in, no matter where it leads you to. I hope somebody with your intellect and skills will change his mind and do more than to just comply, brother.
As a psychologist myself, I really like your videos and agree with pretty much everything. I would only precise somethings, with technical and theorical aspects. Seriously considering on starting to share your content with the people I work this type of issues with. Keep up the good work. Also I would love a 50 things about me video or something... to get to know more of your background
I'll get to the "me" video... it's not really all that interesting, because my skill set that relates to my ability to produce this content, it's all just based on ... being the kind of person I am and taking the time to learn things. I didn't go on any grand pirate adventures or anything
@@hoe_maththat's a mistake bro, I heard women love pirates.
If the person youre working with cant handle determinism and the harshness of reality dont give them this content.
@@hoe_mathyou don't have a swashbucklin' crew? You're not even a little bit of a scurvy sea dog? 😢
Lol "As a psychologist"...
Haha these days anyone is everyone.
I think women can get a man to be more attracted by being nicer, more submissive, doing things for him etc. Simping isn't mocked in women because it actually works.
I see it as manipulation when they single me out and do it only to for me. They will draw you in and the real person they are will appear after you are invested and have something to lose or fear.
You must pay the iron price to learn your attractiveness to potential partners. Engage them in conversation. If they don't want to look at you, you have your answer.
“Find out who wants to keep you and pick your favorite one” YES.
Underrated comment
... damn that's the best advice I've ever heard for women... "You cannot pick who you like and make him keep you. You have to find out who wants to keep you, and pick your favorite one"
Works for men too. You can’t pick the girl you like and win her over, she’s either physically attracted to you or she isn’t. You look at the girls who’re giving you attention/flirting with you and you pick one of those.
I don’t have to stress how attractive I am, because I do not plan to be in a relationship or marry. I just want to do something nice with my work instead of live an empty life.
You go king or queen
The problem with trying to end up in the "Prince Charming" zone is that IF you get there, women will then sabotage any chance at a relationship with you because they know what they did last summer and dont want to hurt or disappoint you. I have been there. "You're too good for me" hurt me more than any other type of rejection I have faced.
There is no winning at this game.
"You're too good for me" or "I'm not ready for a relationship" are just ways to soften the blow of "I don't like you enough to commit to anything" sorry bro.
The feedback one is difficult because (as you yourself have said) you sometimes get negative feedback from less attractive girls and awesome feedback from girls you think are out of your league - which you proceed to discard because you don't believe it (because less attractive girls gave you negative feedback). It's also sometimes difficult to accurately gauge it: is she just being nice? maybe that look didn't really mean anything etc. (it's difficult for me at least).
I also dont get much feedback at all lol, kinda my fault for not making the first move much but still makes it hard to discard the good feedback when its almost all I have to position myself
@@Diagonal_Train If I'm being honest I'm kinda scared of misinterpreting "signals" so I just don't pay attention or look at all.
In your case - I hear ya and it's also difficult to gauge if the move is welcome and if it fails it's not really clear what went wrong and what you should work on improving.
@@Vladimyrfulwhat I do now is I try to make my intentions clear from the beginning so that I don't have to interpret signals but then being too direct could be intimidating so I'm lost
Lil nigga, it's not difficult at all. The only feedback you should be taking serious is if they're fucking you or not. Not what they say. Then it stops being confusing real fast.
@@WillMartinWrites Sometimes you still get messages even if you are not a Chad, for unknown reasons.
“You can’t pick who you like, you have to see who likes you and pick your favorite one” as a woman I 100% agree. True feminine energy is “I don’t chase, I attract.”
@@stevel6660 yeah because most modern women aren’t feminine
Get with the times. I practice Equality now.
Must be why alot of dudes out there trying to attract arbitrarily getting fucked over for being too "Feminine".
yeah you finna be single with that mindset 😂😂
Dead wrong. Old school women weren't so entitled, scared and autistic. They dropped scarfs and initiated discussions in a million smart ways. So they 100% chased, but in a nuanced feminine way
I was once a 3 or 4, grinded my way up to a board-certified 7/10. Didn’t realize I’m still not a person, better grind more until strange women start noticing me 💪
If you're totally invisible to women like I have been for the past 6 years, then you know exactly where you stand on the attractiveness level.
Gah i loved this! I think a factor here is also how people of their gender type evaluate each other. I know for men, the better looking or "higher", the more they are liked amongst each other. I'd counter that there is a bell curve for women. Many women are insecure (general take- obviously not every woman) and see high levels as a threat. I've noticed for myself many women have discounted me in the past from social situations and I didn't understand why... Then my husband would tell me, it's likely cause of how you look (I do my makeup as an artist and keep up my fitness) and that you get along with men (even if it's on just cordial level). I would love to see your take on this internal social dynamic amongst men and women circles!
Agreed. Great comment!
🔥 take
One of my best friends is a woman. She's like a dude, personality-wise, but a pretty, girly girl in looks. She has a hard time making female friends because of that.
That's sad, I'm sorry you had to go through that in female friendships. I have some insecure female friends who I've seen acting like that with another friend who is a model. I think it's pretty unfair and silly tbh :/
For everyone, an author/OG TH-camr called Rom Wills preaches “ Body game” which is getting your best body and “finding your tribe” which is finding the women that respond best to you, both you and Rom’s points align perfectly, dope vid.
Yeah, another suggestion I heard recently that rings true and aligns with the "tribe" is niche maxing. Trying to be universally attractive is likely a losing game because we can't change our genetics and it's really hard to be rich. But...different women have different preferences, so if you can find niche that you are above average in, maximizing that niche will likely yield better results than trying for universal values. Gifted with glorious man fuzz on your chin? Beard max. You look nerdy no matter what you do? Nerd max. Even though you're limiting the pool of women you appeal to, you're maximizing your value in that niche.
@@sifumode9460 king shit
@@sifumode9460 if you have no niche and aren'T really interested in a niche ... you will be always average joe.
The hours and hours you must have spent making those charts! I'm talking about the mental labor of working it all out along with the actual drawing and coloring of it all. It's truly awe-inspiring. I'm going to have to spend some time with this to really comprehend it all.
I've finished what I think are your 2 "core" videos about dating (this and Relationship Zones) and it's like you've all of the good points of the Red Pill and the Black Pill into a model, without the misogyny and appeals to dubious interpretations of evo psychology. Just straight a straight forward and practical model.
Thank you.
This. The issue with the red pill and black pill is the nonsense you have to cut through to get to the actual good advice that can applied in the real world. It's all the bad advice and nonsensical perspectives that does more harm than good. The waters have been muddied. There's some truth somewhere in there but trying to cut through the bullshit is exhausting.
There's nothing more unfair and sexist than how women overrate themselves and underrate men.
@@kojo2773 *Young modern Western women. They have been brainwashed to deny their nature and become proud of being more masculine. Other women (different locations and eras) instinctually value(d) men this way.
Women no matter where they are on the looks scale get access to the game.
Men have virtually no access to the game if they are below a 5, get crumbs/leftovers if they are a 5-6, and actually get full game access if they are a 7 and above.
Looks determine everything, at least in the modern Western dating market. Being good looking as a man is unbelievably important.
I'll bet Henry Kissinger could still get dates.
Right, because me and my girlfriend totally didnt get a crush on each other before we knew what the other looked like since we where just talking online.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Did you watch the video? He explains your point.
@@thor9517 ???
Looks don´t determine everything, attractiveness does. They´re not the same.
I swear to my god I wish this man and his channel existed when I started college 5 years ago. It’s a shame I found him 4 months after I graduated 😢😭
I was still figuring out how the fuck to get ppl to listen. The channel is 2 months old!!!
@@hoe_math Well, if you'd been putting this out there in 1973 you'd have saved me a lot of grief. Took me forever to figure this stuff out on my own. Of course, the mechanics were better disguised in those days, now it's right out in the open.
@@hoe_math And youve done more in 2 months than Ive done in 2 years, oh who do people not lisen?
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 people need to experience heartbreak or get screwed over with women first before their brain is receptive and open enough to listen 😂
@@elijahmorris1231 No. Ive never been hearbroken.
really good and amazing. That is why I continually improve, at 67, I can standing military press 185 which is not a lot, hard on knees, but do over 300 on angled bench press, and constantly increasing myself, plus adding supplementation. Also, I lost about 80 Lbs. 3 years ago, and it's amazing how much more attention you get. I still get it, even though I am married.
I’m a visual learner so I find the charts helpful.
Also learning to settle helped me out a lot. Usually women who are way more attractive than me would make me jump through a lot more hoops. Versus women who are around my level of attractiveness would take me more seriously and treat me as an equal.
Ironically enough, realizing I was less physically attractive led to me having a lot more self-respect 🤔
Jump hoops for what, and how so?
A lot of misunderstanding in redpill spaces is that men underrate themselves and women overrate themselves, yet according to studies men tend to overrate themselves and vice versa for women
Attractiveness is NOT just looks. If you think you're average, you're not focusing on the right things. Anyone can be above average in this world, even if they don't have amazing genetics. If it bothers you, improve yourself, go to the gym etc and work on confidence and social skills. Anyone with excellent social skills and confidence is going to be above average, provided they are not fat and they take care of themselves.
Learning styles are a myth
@@bigsoda4276 to some extent but not really. Like I can barely remember anything that I don’t see written down, particularly people’s names. Everything just sounds like gibberish to me especially unique words like proper nouns
4:55 nah bruh that pfp is Tanzverbot, a popular german TH-camr 😂
lol that is funny
HAHAHAHAH bhd einfach Tanzverbot, so random einfach😂
standard female delusion chart .hahah. omg this channel is a gem!!
I've replayed several parts of your video. My first concern was about how high up I am on that scale, then realised that it doesn't matter, as long as I want to move up it, without wanting it for nefarious reasons, then thought that thought has a hint of nefarious within it. Then watched myself think that. And try to blank my background thoughts about this process in order to achieve a more realistic result, then realised I don't care about passing this test I just built for myself, and am now thinking I shouldn't strive to not care just for the purpose of achieving an accurate score because it only matters to me due to the thought process I have just gone through......., that NOBODY will ever fully grasp because nobody but myself can ever experience said process enough to evaluate the score I give myself. I don't know where 8 have ended up on that scale, but I'm thoroughly enjoying the journey.
This is the most realest video i've ever seen on interpreting how we perceive attractiveness. Especially about the fact that the higher attractiveness scale you are the more you can get away with.
You are such a legend. And you absolutely ought to consider the life coach path. My hairstylist and I were talking about your videos and we had both seen them independently of each other and were both like, "You've heard of hoe_math too?"
Keep it up, you're adding value.
I do life coaching! I am currently doing so much I can barely do other stuff. I had to reduce it to 3 days a week.
@@WillMartinWrites There are some mistakes one can avoid without making them.
@@WillMartinWriteswtf 😂 I hope this is a joke
@@WillMartinWrites well that escalated quickly
“Energy you get minus energy you give”
This is a antropology/sociology scientific revolution happening, and with this it looks like we are coming up on it being common knowledge. Amazing work!
I dated a girl for almost two years. I guess we probably gave about the same amount but she did slowly start to give more than I did. Maybe she gave 60 and I gave 40. I guess looks-wise she was probably a 5, and I was probably a 5 or 6. I definitely never move her out of the sleeper area, I knew I was never going to marry her. She lost her mind when we ended. Now I’m married to someone who gives 50 and I give 50. I’ve gotten into much better shape, improved my wardrobe, amassed resources while shedding debt, gained education and life experience, and at 37 I’m in my prime. I rate myself about a 6-7, and I think to society she probably rates about a 6-7. To me she’s a 10 though. That’s why I married her.
I'm an average looking woman and honestly terrified of ending up in your ex's position where I think my boyfriend will marry me but in reality has no interest in committing long-term.
Were there any signs you gave her that she could have picked up on or just the fact that you weren't putting in as much effort?
@@villapulla The effort I was putting was adequate for sure but she was 30 and I was 21. The fact that I even knew enough at that time to gain her interest amazes me. I was putting in what I could with my limited experience. She seemed pleased with my effort.
I think she should have known because I wanted kids and she didn’t. I was also politically conservative and she was liberal. I am a Christian and she is agnostic on her best day. She drank wine daily and smoked weed occasionally, and I wasn’t into weed and only drank once in a while. She was into astrology and the ethereal, and I was into more grounded, concrete things.
Literally our main connection was sexual. Our sexual chemistry was off the charts. In almost two years I estimate we probably had sex 8-10 times a week every single week. We went on actual dates only a few times. Our whole relationship was hanging out at her place after work, eating, having sex, watching TV, having sex again, eating, going to bed, having sex, waking up, having sex, going to work, getting home from work, I’d come over an hour later, and start all over again.
I think the fact that we were 100% opposites of each other in everything that wasn’t related to sex probably should have tipped her off. Also, she was my direct supervisor at work for most of the time we were together. All kinds of red flags between us. Lol
@@americandissident9062 oh wow... Thank you for taking the time to respond, that really explains a lot more. Yeah, doesn't sound like it was a sustainable relationship.
@@villapulla Her ex-BF had been a “bad boy” and I’m wondering if I was her guy she wanted to settle down with, and when we split she realized that too late. I don’t know. She had spent her twenties focusing on career and partying, then dated that other guys for several years and then got with me. I wasn’t a bad boy. I was a 20 year old kid who didn’t know anything about relationships and was just happy having sex every single day. I’m now a totally different person, and there is no way that would have ever worked.
You did everything right and won in life. Both of you got something out of it. @@americandissident9062
This is actually so simply genius.
The visuals with the way you articulate it will help so many guys understand.
What the “RP/manosphere” fail to articulate is what you described as “perceived value”
Isn’t value all the talk about though?
@@yoeyyoey8937 no, I mean the concept of perceived value, I haven’t heard anyone else articulate it in this way.
@@joelbellJB what’s the difference between perceived value and value? Or wym by this?
@@yoeyyoey8937 did you watch the video?
@@joelbellJB yes and I don’t think it was clearly defined or explicit
Im impressed by how your drawing skills improved
I didn't improve, I just spent the time. my drawing skills maxed out in high school
6:32 I'm management in the hospitality industry and it's a rare week when I don't get hit on by at least 1-2 of our female guests. I thought that was kind of just normal, so hearing you say this really helped solidify some of my burgeoning self confidence, thanks man.
🧢 you think they’re hitting on you. They’re just being friendly you dork
The diagrams are what keep me coming back. I love it.
I was ready to clown you for the pre-school art esque schematics you've drawn, but this is genuinely the source code to attraction - well done!
This my friends is exactly why you need to get off an app and join some kind of social group event. It is highly unlikely (unless you are the 9 or 10 on the scale) that you'll ever pull "the hot girl" from a few pics and a profile online alone.
Time spent face to face + the vibe check will save you literally years of heartache.
zoomers are struggling mostly because "social group events" are dead in all but the biggest cities
I'm not in the dating pool, but seems to me pulling "the hot girl" might not be the best result. They seem to be the most damaged nowdays. Ran through, neurotic, selfish messes. Your mileage may vary, but a solid 7 with character has worked well for me.
Excellent video! What you mention is very true and applies to both men and women.
I think the best option is to focus a few years on self-improvement and building up a good character before even jumping into the dating/marriage. A lot of people do not have the patience or discipline these days to achieve much higher goals in life.
I'd love a maximizer video for women please! This channel is great!
I need to watch these videos a few times. They are so information dense. And it's fast paced.
I've noticed something you could make a graph about. The best I could call it is the Meta Rules for the Dating Game.
1. All rules for relationships exist, but are meant to be unspoken.
2. The only time you learn these rules are when you break them.
3. If you state the rules accurately, you're breaking the rules.
4. Asking for accurate rules also breaks the rules.
Can you provide some examples? I’d disagree with some of this because there are people who actually do communicate when it comes to boundaries and stuff.
I have some vague ideas on what you mean but I feel like at some point in the dating process or even “talking stage” some of these things are going to come up in some way so that you can get a feel for each other’s opinions on some of these meta rules or whatever.
Anyways examples would be good please and thank you
@@boomynote A good example is the rule that women are hypergamous (prefers to date men who are better than themselves).
1. It exists but is an unspoken truth.
2. You only learn this rule when you try to date a girl out of your league.
3. If you say this to anyone bluepilled they'll deny it saying, anyone is game so long as you're confident etc. etc.
4. If you ask why pretty girls reject you, it's considered mean to say you're not good enough in whatever you lack.
Completely disagree. You are clearly hanging arround people who dont value effective comunication. Ive many times layed out all the things for why I love my girlfriend and would answer without question if she asked if something would be bad from my point of view, the reverse is equally true cos again we bough value good communication.
@@boomynote Exactly, hes just describing the reality that some people are bad at comunication.
@@danielhuelsman76 My man everyone wants a perfect partner, this is no secret.
I'm a girl and this is extremely eye-opening. Thank you!
Right it’s kind of empowering to find out you’re hot! I’m pretty sure I’m an eight and I’m dating a 10.
@@UrFaveMFNo you are just delusional about your attractiveness is. If you rate your men as an 10, he is probably an 8 and you are probably a 5 . There is always a minimum of 3 beetwen the sexes because of female hyeorgamy and female distorsion of reality.I m sorry if this sound rude but do you really know what is a 10? A 10 not only is EXTREMELY RARE but has one of the most SYMETRICAL face you can imagine PLUS a very big height . I know a youtube channel who is way more accurate and scientific than this one and I can promise you, that the 10 is a specimen who REALLY STAND OUT from all the mathematical analyses of other men.
This is why women used to demand a ring before sex.
How do you know if you "deserve' a guy who's a 10?
Will he commit? No? Then set your sights lower.
Once you find that range where men are willing to commit, you know how attractive you are TO GUYS. Now, find the best one in that range who will commit.
Instead, feminism and the sexual revolution has told women to sleep with the hottest men they can, and women are psychologically deceived into thinking they are on that 8-9 guy's level because several of them have slept with her....but that's not how guys work. We'll sleep with women we would NEVER commit to. And then women have unrealistic perceptions of themselves and think they are "settling" with the guys who will commit to them.
Do you have to settle? Absolutely not. We all get to have our own standards. You don't owe any man anything. But, if you're not being realistic, be prepared to never get a commitment and/or be persistently cheated on.
@@UrFaveMF🤣🤣🤣🤣
What a joke
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The real trick is to find that woman that is a 4 or a 5 just due to her height to weight ratio and see if she would be interested in going to the gym with you to better herself. If you put in the work cohesively they tend to not forget that and your attraction factor skyrockets. Of course you need to verify they are worthy of your time and effort beforehand, but if you find someone that does not seem like a 304 and just needs a partner to help them become the best version of themselves you can score a 7 or an 8 as a 5 or a 6 by helping them self improve.
I have had other women ask my wife why she is with me, her answer is always the same "he brings out the best in me, we compliment each other well and communication is effortless".
I'm so glad this came on my feed. As a woman i thought i was a 3 but my personality might push me up to a 5. Spoiler.. it does not. I get zero attention or feedback so that means I'm probably a 1. I have to improve or stay invisible .Cold hard truth. You're content is amazing. Here for it.
@MikeProductions1000 it's ok. I'm overweight and therefore I present plain. I can improve but a lack of self esteem has stopped me . Can't make excuses. Have lost years being invisible. 🤷🏻♀️
The thing is "invisible" is also relative.
What he, and others, mean by this term...is that they are invisible to those they find suitable.
But often enough they have no qualms about ignoring interest from those they have decided are unappealing.
@MikeProductions1000
I mean, that is why I said it is relative, bc of personal beliefs about what being "invisible" actually means.
There is no objective method to caculate your attractiveness to all other people.
The only metric any individual has to gauge their attractiveness is how they believe they are viewed by others, but bc of bias, it is very easy to ignore, disregard, or even not care if others view you desirable when you do not find them desirable.
There is also that old mopad joke about how people feel about others bc of social feed back.
"an ugly person is like a mopad, it is fun to mess around with but you don't want your friends and society thinking that is the only way you have to get around"
This content has not cracked some code unless you believe a lot the foundational assumptions it makes are universal, and while hoe math does not claim that those assumptions are outright...they do insinuate heavily that they are, when in reality that would be a rather trivial thing to demonstrate as far too overly simplified to produce any uniqure or consistently methodical results that you can't get from any generic self help advice source.
@@memegazer good point. I have not had attention from either end therefore I label this as invisible. Attention to me, is being spoken to with interest, asked for a number, or asked out. Or even given a compliment. Never been on a date and I'm well over being an adult. So yeah. 🤷🏻♀️ I take responsibility for my part. I didn't know what was required to be in the running.
@@memegazer
Wait aren’t you the same guy who left a comment saying Hambo took a big stinky shit at a party you went to?
More girls need to be told this. Your value is determined by the quality of guy who will commit to you, not by the Chads who pump and dump you,.
Women will never accept this statement because it means they aren’t all 10s.
Remember, women have the luxury to live in a “feelings-based” world. How they “feel” is all that matters.
Sort of like a child playing make believe. Women simply continue to live in that make believe world into adulthood because it’s more fun, and men will continue to tell them pretty lies to get into their pants. The men who don’t tell them pretty lies will be blocked immediately (unless they’re chads in which case the woman will say “you’re so mean but let’s hookup”).
I can’t make myself prettier without plastic surgery
@@Amber-ik3dx then accept it and go for men that are into you. not so difficult, is it?
@@lastskywalker2481 no, I want to be prettier
@@Amber-ik3dx What makes you think your only option to be prettier is through surgery?
Always the underrated channel which come without any notice in life and teach you so much and make you see things ,Thank you for being undeniable help for me .
Its kind of revealing, to understand how much (or little) commitment i gave to each and everyone one of my relationships in the past.
Once was attractive (one of those guys that stood outside Abercrombie shirtless) and had a good 20 years of dating/hooking up with beautiful women. Then, one day out of nowhere I was just "old" even though I looked exactly the same. Age negates all of this and if you didn't settle down, it's over
I can't get enough of this content. It has inspired me to just better myself in so many ways. Keep this up you legend.
ty, it's working then
Why couldn’t you do that before?
@@yoeyyoey8937 hopelessness probably
The sheer value you've put into this video is divine. Thank you. The way you lay it out and explain it shows you have a real gift of critical thinking.
"in your age category" That's the thing, women are willing to date outside of their age category and men have rather significant age preferences.
I don't think this video taught me anything mindblowing, but the visualizations are wonderful and un-cluster-fked everything I kinda knew into an excellent graph.
I've always known I was below the visibility line, but I also always knew I could get above it with effort, having gone from no attention to attention from 2s and 3s, just from losing some modest weight during my 20s (I know the visible age change helps too).
The two guy score system was the thing I couldn't put together before, much less the graph of course. I know now the visibility line is not only within reasonable reach, but I could probably go further above it than I had previously thought. So, thank you so much!
TL;DR Learned to think in the two score system and assessed I have a "needs work" bad guy score but a high guy boy score. Now I know my path to above visibility is much shorter than before, just from learning what to prioritize. Again, thank you.
I've never heard of this channel. It popped up in my feed so I checked it out, and dang! I think this is spot on! Or close enough to it.
Bro your level of understanding and dumbing it down for the rest of us
I maxxed out those stats
You did a good job at putting all this together, nice work!
This leaves out something important. If you're in a situation where you can grow emotionally close to a woman, she can rate you as a 7 when on initial contact she would rate you as a 6. This is how the rating scale evens out between the sexes. Women can rate based on emotional connection, whereas men don't really, not on attractiveness anyway
That one with 300 and 0 hit me on a personal level from personal experience. You've hit the nail on the head on that one. Great vid btw
I think I'll start building literal spaceships before I try to get into relationships at this point.
I always get to a point in my relationships where even if I was "out of their league" at first, I eventually end up giving more than I get and being undervalued because of it.
Important to point out: if you're obese as a male, losing weight can improve your standing massively. If you aren't obese but average, getting fit (without amazing genes or PEDs) will lead to little to no improvement. Most personal trainers I see in the gym (so guys who are definitely in shape) are either struggling or dating really mediocre (fat) women. In the end, face, hair and height always wins.
Main benefit to losing weight is it can change your face.
There is a small but sizable niche of women who are really attracted to jacked guys however.
That's the blackpill. You can't change your genes and those are 90% of initial attraction.
this is so true, 50kg guys will absolutely always win on any 78kg guy with the same height and bf
if you're avarage you also have to count that a massive fraction of avarage guys are ALSO going to the gym, so your rank is still unchanged
That's the worst thing about internet. People like you being able to speak their useless opinion and use their anecdotal evidence as proved statistics. If you feel sh!t about yourself go and stfu without trying to bring others down and make them feel bad about their progress in real life. Cope instead of talking like a loser
100% for all genders i think. Once fat isn't actually noticable, the face is what most people pay attention to. Like, for guys, we really do not give a shit about breats size or ass size. I mean, is a big butt and/or big tits nice? Yeah but for one, the opinion on that is really varied anyway, and two, guys really do not give a shit as long as they _are_ breasts and a butt, and as long as they are attached to a woman. Same thing with having an "hourglass figure," or something. It really doesn't matter at the end of the day. It's a personal prefernce at most that rarely ever holds weight in the first place. But if you have an ugly face, or a shitty haircut? Yeah, suddenly attraction goes down a lot more.
This definetly goes for guys, where as long as you're not fat/chubby, it doens't really seem like there's that big of a difference between ripped guys/guys with a really lean build (very defined six pack and all that), and guys who are just average/skinny when it comes to the attractivness of the girls they get. And for guys, I think it's pretty much the same for girls too. I mean, maybe having nice assets can make up for a bit of an uglier face or something, but at the end of the day, the better looking face usually gets more attention.
It makes sense though, the face is what you'll be seeing the most anyway.
Man, I just love the logical approach in all of that. Its the qualitative made numerical in the most realistic way and making the nuances explicit. The design and overall dense drawings are very very nice to look at. Keep it up!
Im fairly attractive. I’m tall, thin, smart, hardworking, and have a nice jawline. My hair is the best feature from my eyes up. My facial structure is good. My eyes are dark and sunken and I have a big forehead. I’m missing the hunter eyes. I’ve had quite a few women say I’m 10/10 model attractive. Most probably think I’m average. Even a few think I’m ugly.
I think I’m somewhere between 7 and 8.5 depending on how good I look that day, But to most women that’s probably between a 4 to a 7. If I got buff and looked healthier and more confident…I bet I could be a 9.5 or like around 8 in woman brain.
I’ve had women buy me things and pay for our dates, (and I offered to pay the date). Don’t get too jealous they were usually unattractive.
I match a bit on dating apps. I’ve had hundreds to even 1,000 matches before. It was a LOT better before the bug. If a girl is a 8+/10 a match is rare though. most of the girls are 3/10-6/10s some are 7/10 but few.
I’ve matched with and gone on dates with girls that won beauty pageants. (Probably actually out of my league) don’t know how I did it, but I did.
All of this and I am frustrated because I know that I’m putting in wayyy more work for someone who is actually in my league. I regularly get rejected by girls in my league. All the while 1-3/10 women are desperately throwing themselves at me, and it’s grossing me out. I can kinda get why some girls are annoyed. I think my experience is that of an average maybe slightly below average girl. Except I’m not delusionaly thinking I’m a 10. I know I’m about a 7.5.
Male attractiveness is not nearly as universal as female attractiveness, you have to find the best looking female that finds your particular traits attractive.
Worked out for years, made it to 6 figures, became likeable and respected by my colleagues and friends.
Still a 3/10, not even human. It's not over... It never began.
imo if u have to ask if you're attractive then you're not attractive. Seriously as someone who went from ugly to hot life is so fucking different when you look good theres no way you'd have to even ask.
How did u even do that
yes, true. but this demystifies it for those people. You "don't know" how attractive you are because no one's giving you feedback, which means no one notices. Time to improve.
@@eta_carithebrightlord3396 what he described in the video. Worked out dressed better etc
@@dannyfletcher that's it? There has to be more to it
@@eta_carithebrightlord3396not really. Work out, lose weight, get healthy (skin, hair, etc), hygiene, fashion, a hobby or two with one being outdoors, get a dog, keep your car/house clean, get a good job is basically *all* you can do and it works. You get a 6 pack, 6 figure salary, great fashion, solid frame, good game (social skills and understand psych) then you’re set. As @modernlifedating says it: Money, Muscles , Game (social acuity, EQ), Frame (mindset, masculinity, etc plus knowing how to present yourself with fashion and style) is really all a man can do.
You are a genius. One person being able to understand, articulate, and illustrate this complex topic is astonishing
Yeah... Im definitely dieing alone with this one
I'm in the "good enough to talk to, but not good enough to date" category. I'm "cute" and "handsome" but never "hot" or "sexy." I would've made a great husband for a woman 50 years ago, but in today's world, I don't have the wealth, status, or extreme looks to get with even an average woman. As much as I kind of don't care anymore, it still hits a little deep.
As a woman im so glad you mentioned the familiarity thing. Ive onky been in on relationship but when we were just freinds I thought he was ugly, and then a few months later the sight of this man gives me such joy.
Crock of s***
whats best way for ugly man to make friends? people usually dont want us around