The Grave of Jack the Ripper
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In this episode Edward Stow examines no less than eleven graves associated with the Lechmere family from the 1880s in Tower Hamlets Cemetery, explaining the significance of each of the deceased to the overall story... including that of Charles Allen Lechmere, also known to some as Charles Cross, and to others as no less than Jack the Ripper.
With thanks to Mike Pemberton and Susan Clapp for original artwork.
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It's really sad what's happened to that grave yard it doesn't matter how old the Graves are these people deserve more respect than that
@Real Aiglon Well then you can just be thrown in a ditch when you die since you won't care.
They need to be shipped to USA. England has not respect for the dead.
@Real Aiglon There's war dead buried there who fought for their country. Some of us familys do mind.
@@realaiglon6382 agreed. Dig up cemeteries and repurpose the land. We need the space!
What about Roman graves? If we kept every graveyard pristine, city would just be a huge graveyard. This graveyard will probably be gone in 50+ years.
This is fascinating. You must have spent an incredible amount of time and effort finding these records and mapping out the graves. Thank you for the fascinating watch.
It’s a shame these cemeteries are in such a poor condition, the government should get the prisoners out and work clearing them .
Finally the wait is over, and you didn't disappoint. Seeing the Grave of Jack being monitored by a black crow is almost a confirmation for me by a higher power.
Really?
@@00Kuja00 Sure 😏
@@EldergodUK Use your power of reason. Don't let the superstition carry you away.
@@357lockdown I've seen to many unexplained things to not believe in the otherside 😏
@@EldergodUK It’s all in your imagination my friend
Thank you so, so much for all the brilliant programming you make and produce for our benefit. Your channel is absolutely fascinating, and exceptionally well made throughout.
I'm sincerely grateful to you Sir!!
We all are.
Mid to late 1960s and indeed beyond, was total war declared upon Victoriana in England, ( "A mania for change"). In some cases for practical reasons, like the need for space, in other cases opportunistically. I live in Southend on sea, Essex and this town, like parts of London, was hammered by developers in the sixties. As a result, the resting places of poor Victorians would have been very low priority.
True and sad
EPIC! You spent alot of time investing this because you are passionate about history.
This is some incredible work! TY for your concise telling of their stories. Fr VA 🇺🇸
This is definitely a breakthrough on the case....well done, excellent detective work, watched your videos lots of times..to understand them
Another great video, full of detail and facts. Very interesting to hear about one of his sons being mad, and you also saying madness ran in the family. Lechmere has to be the strongest suspect, spotted hanging around the body of Polly Nichols very close to her time of death and her not having the same injuries as, say Catherine Eddowes, points to Lechmere being interrupted by Robert Paul. Polly Nichols wasn't displayed like the others, suggesting a hasty clean up by Lechmere when he heard Robert approaching. Whilst clearly mad and depraved, Lechmere was also very cunning and daring.
Thanks for sharing your research and hard work with us. Great video! Loved the ending with the crow. Too spooky to be a coincidence.
Best channel on JTR by far. We have a Lechmere subway stop here in Boston.
@@TiaMargarita I’m really not sure on that. Wish I knew more.
There used to be a chain of department stores in Boston called Lechmere's, which everyone pronounced LEECH-mere's. It's out of business now but I think there was a connection to the name of the station. Just search for "Lechmere" and "Boston" on TH-cam, you will see some old TV ads from the 1980s.
@@colemannee9898 I remember it well. Went there many times in the 80’s lol.
@@colemannee9898 interesting
Thank you for this haunting upload, Mr. Stow. It’s a proverbial headstone in itself. Imagine all the secrets that went into that grave. It’s all very chilling to contemplate.
Thank you for all the work you put into these videos great stuff👍
Thank you Edward for all the hard work you put in your videos. Maybe you could do a short video on where Charles lechmere lived on doveton street as a visual for us viewer's who really appreciate all your work. God bless.
Yessssss!
That would be interesting!
Then someone's house would become a little tourist attraction. I doubt the family that live there would be happy.
Thank you Mr. Stow for all your work.
Brilliant research Ed. Very compelling evidence on CAL all round. Keep up the good work Sir!
First class presentation and research, a much needed antidote to the guess work and parlour games of the past JTR studies. Excellent video, thank you.
I like that you used the words, “ parlor games”. It’s perfect. Past theories have indeed been guess work. I can’t remember the name of the suspect who was in France during the murders. The person who was arguing that he was JTR claimed he took a fast train into London, killed the women and jumped back on the train for each murder. SMH! It’s folks like this who will say anything to cling to their suspect!
Amazing. Thanks so much for sharing this. It is tragic that historic cemeteries are allowed to fall into such a state. It is great to have people like you sharing your knowledge of those who are buried there and a little bit of the history of that part of the city.
Brilliant. I’ve really enjoyed the Tower Hamlets Cemetery trilogy. Thanks so much. The crow story at the end was very creepy!
You’re never truly gone until the last person who remembers you dies. Then you’re nothing.
😞
That’s how you die twice
Terrific stuff! Well done, everyone!
Wow so pleased to see you have done more vids, thank you
This is amazing stuff thanks for posting. I think walk in an old cemetery is a great pastime bit weird but would love to see some in London. Old records are fascinating. Your right these should be our history and kept respectful like a museum of people lives. Thanks for posting
Well done Edward for all your endeavour. Loved the video
When PC Cross died in 1869 at Mary Ann Street, I'm sure that the area was called 'Tiger Bay' and was a very rough and quite a dangerous area.
I'm surprised that a policeman would be living in such a location.
True
Now it makes sense why he took a kidney.
Those tombstones must be by law put back where they were found. That's sacrilege that happened in the 60s. Should be made accountable for such an hideous crime. And those stones to be put back in their rightful place
It disgusts me to see so many graveyards left in disrepair and overgrown. It’s unacceptable
Restoring them would be a great project for the under-employed!
ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT AND SO WELL RESEARCHED!
What a superb video x well done Ed
Great video guys and what an amazing place we'll done with all the research. The dead should always be remembered and respected.
Just found you! Thank you for the upload, really enjoyed this.
Kudos on all, of your amazing research.
Now I see what you were working on during your absence!
Hats off mate! What an incredible video, keep up the great work!
Thank you
The crow leading you to the grave is like a scene from a story by E.A. Poe.
Fascinating work..
I’ve now watched all of your videos and you’ve made some fantastic, unique content. I started with the 3 evidence for guilt episodes and then went back to the beginning. I particularly loved seeing the places of interest on maps and in the flesh - thank you so much ❤. You are very lucky living in a place like London/UK where so many historical places of interest exist. I hope what is left will be preserved for generations to come 🙏.
Welcome aboard!
Like this cemetery
Keep watching!
Outstanding work at recovering and preserving the past. It is also shocking to see the contempt with which these humble graves are treated. I am a little puzzled that successful business people like the Lechmeres end up in common graves, the mother with 7 others and Charles with 14? Despite Charles having so many children? The crow at the end was truly haunting.
How interesting the makers for most of Charles Lechmere's family and Charles himself have been destroyed. Great video, I've been waiting for this one since I found your channel.
markers , bridgette
And you believe there is evidence against Barnett?
Unfortunately not just their markers. 😞
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 LFC is an invented account. I checked the TH-cam profile card and I’m going to have some fun! 😂 I’ll start by referring to them as mlw. matthew lawton wannabee.
Excellent upload. Thanks
You sir are full if knowledge. I also find it absolutely amazing that the crow led her to the grave. It even kept looking behind itself to make sure she was still there!! Unbelievable
Your historical detective work is very commendable.
5:47 what beautiful writing!
Another great episode. I find the Lechmere genealogy particularly fascinating.
There is some key factoid on every certificate
That comes as no surprise.
What a shame the graves have been so neglected.
Times change. People stop caring after a while. The family’s of the loved ones pass on to. Hence no one left to look after gravestones. Sad indeed.
@@section5760 I thought that was the job of the people running the cemetary.....................
@@stonerman3480 they pass on to.
@@section5760 Then they should all be fired. THat's THEIR job!!!
@@stonerman3480 you go and do it then since you’re so concerned.
Another great one.
Mr Stow, sipping beer with you in THE TEN BELLS will be a great pleasure. I will certainly meet you whenever I come to England. I am from India.
Well put together and interesting. Incidentally, it was Albert CROW who passed Martha Tabram`s dead body on the stairs to his lodgings at 3.30am on 7th Aug `88. He told the Police that he thought she was sleeping.
How strange the footage of the crow. Personally I like how the cemetery has gone back to nature. It could be restored back slightly and the desecrated graves and gravestones put right. That's if the council would bother to keep up with the maintenance though.
Really interesting, enjoyed this.
Just enjoyed re-watching this vid! Hell yes, Charles Allan Lechmere is Jack the Ripper!
Great work 👍
Thank you for sharing, the crow was very creepy too. God Bless You sir!!!
Another treasure trove of information. Thanks for your brilliant work Looking forward to learning more about the cat's meat business.
The how’s of the cat meat business would be extremely interesting.
@@TiaMargarita I cant imagine that Ed can penetrate into the business , you never know though , he is a highly talented man ! He also lives in the vicinity and I think he's married to a Lechmere .
What was his shop doing ?
why are their no lechmereists appearing on this site , like fisherman .
@@gppgpz I’m curious about Victorian cat meat business and you turn it into a comment about the author. Rather strange. I also find it odd that you know where he lives and that he is married. You are not a stalker are you?
A new movie or Netflix season is needed. Based on these facts. Not some nonsense with Depp.
I’d even end the movie with the crow hopping across the grave.
@@plumbingandrains Yes. A crow on the grave.
@@TiaMargarita HOW ABOUT A FULL ON JTR MUSICAL FILM ??????????
@@jamesjackson-df1hi 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I would hope for a more reputable company than Netflix!
Great material I really enjoyed watching.Thank you I share same opinion about Jack the Ripper
Thank you for a very interesting & informative video, such a shame about the up keep of this grave yard awesome history.
Verifiable facts. The old era of supposition, opinion and straight out fictionalizing is over in regards to JTR theories. I am so tired of folks saying maybe, could have, if and so on when explaining their fanciful theories. Edward Stow and others lay out the Charles Lechmere case with facts. Facts that can be verified.
Such as?
@@redrum4100 Lechmere was never Cross. There are 114 documents that prove that. He was born as Lechmere and died as Lechmere. He was married as Lechmere. He raised his kids as Lechmere. He rented his home as Lechmere. He recorded himself and his family as Lechmere. The only two recorded times that he used the alias of Cross was when he was suspected of running over the boy on purpose and when he “found” the body. Lechmere was never Cross
@@TiaMargarita Look through his census history and you will see the name Cross.
@@redrum4100The census records him registering as Lechmere. He also records his wife and children as Lechmere. Perhaps you are thinking of the earlier census when he was a child? His stepfather wrote Charles down as Cross. He did so with his other children as well. He may or may not have known that Charles mother was a bigamist and felt compelled to use his own name for propriety’s sake. He recorded her as Cross as well though she was still bound in marriage to Charles father. As a result, we know now that her legal name remained Lechmere. She was never legally a Cross. If Cross was aware of this bigamist situation, it would have been crucial in Victorian London to maintain respectability in the community. Referring to the Lechmere children as Cross was Apropos though not legal. Cross never adopted Lechmere and he never legally changed his name to Cross. Lechmere was never Cross. These are verifiable facts. 114 documents attest that other than the referenced instances when he utilized the alias of Cross, he lived his life as Lechmere. Am I correct in assuming that you are a committed Crossist, within the Crossist community? Then we will respectfully disagree on whether to regard Lechmere as a valid suspect. There are over three hundred other suspects that have less credibility as valid suspects. Have you ever fought for any of them to be dropped as valid suspects? If no, why not? Why defend Lechmere? It was a police assumption that a local born and raised white man was not a likely suspect. The majority of their focus assumed that JTR would be foreign born, a Jew or mentally ill. As a result, they concentrated on these local men as suspects and rarely investigated local white men.
@@TiaMargarita I agree that he is a valid suspect - easily the best of all the nonsense candidates to date. I do not agree that he was the Ripper. I'm happy for someone to prove to me Chas was the ripper, then I can get off the merry-go-round.
You already smashed it imo .
One last thing sir, I think you need to notify the cemetery owners or caretakers because there is probably soon enough going to be a huge swath of people going to that site. Some might even try digging around there or further desecrating and disturbing the site ESPECIALLY if your research turns out to have found out who jack the ripper is. I think you should actually try as soon as possible to get that area protected, purchased, or guarded. If you have family member they can make a strong case to have that done I believe! Excellent Research!!
Yeh that’s a good point
The crow leading to Jacks Grave omg. i.had a crow follow me and watch me on.a bench after my mom.died. It felt like her spirit and ive never had this spiritual connection ever since. i do believe it was Charles Lechemer. Great work Edward Thks.
Maybe you're Jack.. same crow, same killer.
@@dahlizz99 I am Jack
@@andrewholland7712 I knew it. I've got you now buddy boy.
@@dahlizz99 I confess. I’m Jill the Ripper.
@@dahlizz99 lol your a funny guy 😂✌🍺
Omg! I loved this. 🤩
Love your hamster!!!
If he was Jack the ripper is creepy and chilling to see him described as loving father husband and kind it sends shivers!
Wasn't him
BTK or maybe the Golden State Killer, I don’t remember for sure but his daughter said that she preferred to remember that he was always a loving father even though she understood that he was a serial killer. Most serial killers have families, jobs and positive ties to the community.
@@dahlizz99 Why don’t you think that Lechmere was JTR?
I've seen a lot of shows about Jack the ripper 1 trying to say HH homes was Jack that he was in London at the same time. Great video I'm shore it tocks a lot of work to make your videos thank you
HH Holmes was not in England at the time of the murders. It is said that he was in England but not London on another matter. I don’t know that for sure.
11:48 - Another key fact that he never acknowleged Thomas Cross or the Surname simply because his father John is on the marriage certificate. So much you can't ignore and gives even less strength to anti-lechmere arguments about him using the name Cross in regular life.
Excellent! I'm deeply saddened by the desecration of the grave yard and the resting place of so many people. I've been following this Ripper since I was 12 years old. Been through the "Royal Family" stuff early on. But something I sensed was not quite right. Like being far-sighted and trying to figure out the picture in front of your eyes. IMO many "ripperologists" are quite arrogant. They may have the info, but they arrogantly try to connect the dots and missing the victims- the larger picture beyond the canonical 5. I love this channel and the info you present- very few actually do their contextual, historical, cultural and legal point of view as you do.
Oh my goodness, I was 12 too in 1977 and the royal theory was popular and I was hooked! I must have fell for a dozen suspects that I was “just knew” had to be JTR. I finally started looking at it from the POV of who could be discounted. When Edward presented his evidence, I could not and still have not been able to discount him. Hell yeah, it’s Lechmere”
A very interesting video.
Fascinating.
Excellent,And the crow wow 🍀🇬🇧👍
How much research have you done?! It's crazy! So lucky you actually live in a place where you can do research someone like me, in Australia, just can't do. Thanks for all the work 😉
- Just stopping by again to make note on what you said about how the cemetery is maintained etc. My father bought a spot for my mother and himself in a cemetery in 2018, the year before he passed away. They were $15,000 each, it's their money and what they chose, but it makes me so angry how such outrageous sums are charged - and really, who knows what may happen in 5 years, let alone 100? I'd rather my loved ones use it for themselves or help a charity etc. My parents were always helpful to my brothers and me and giving, it's the industry that profits to then leave graves in such a state that annoys me. Ok, I'm off my soap box!😄
Would Christer Holmgren be interested in appearing as a guest on your show? It would be fscinating to hear both your thoughts and ideas while going more in-depth than the Missing Evidence Documentary. I'd love to see that.
I would very much like to see Christer Holmgren as a guest. Perhaps having a pint with you at the Ten Bells?
I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT TOO.
@@mathewlawton8944 Well Jones or Priestley wasn't asked...so tough, get over it.
@@mathewlawton8944 Don't they tell the story of Mr Cross finding an old tarpaulin even though they know it is Bullshit?
@@mathewlawton8944 Lechmere didn't ever use the name Cross apart at the murder scene of Polly. Thomas Cross the ex policeman who had been dead for 20 years at the time of the murder put Cross down on the census form because Lechmere was to young to fill the form out himself so had no choice what name went down. Lechmere or he's siblings wasn't even adopted as a Cross. They were all Lechmeres.
We're seriously gonna talk about respecting the dead with one hand while literally titling a video eternally linking a defenseless dead man to an unproven accusation with the other? Wow.
So you disapprove of discussing any potential Jack the Ripper suspects I assume?
If someone accuses you of something over a century after your passing, that's not defamation. Lechmere and everyone who knew him are long gone. His living descendants aren't going to lose job opportunities or have bricks thrown through their windows. Relax, everyone is fine. Its in our nature to look for answers to unresolved mysteries. Can you really tarnish the good name of someone who time has so thouroghly forgotten that he has no marking on his grave? His grave which now sits in a scruffy patch of forest?
The condition of the graveyard is beyond pathetic..... it's just sad. 😔
If it wasn’t illegal you could dig that plot up and find the letter he was buried with that says “I did it”
That Cementery needs tender loving care and respect not forgotten 🙏
You volunteering?
Thanks Ed, another great video!
is there a significance to the occupation listed (teasampler's assistant) on Charles Lechmere death certificate? he was not a carman anymore? no longer worked at pickford's? was it just a normal thing (his age), and do you know why or when he stopped working at pickford's?
He stopped around 1901 and opened a shop
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 great, thanks a lot!
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 He was only an "assistant" in his own shop?
@@crose7412 He was not an assistant.... he was the owner of the shop he opened.
@@crose7412
Before he died he closed his shop and took on another job - probably less demanding.
The sites that you reference that don't have a headstone or any other grave marker...are there still corpses in those areas or were they relocated?
Still there
I used to work right next to this graveyard and spent dinner hours looking around then years later i became interesed in jack the ripper i find i may have been very close to jack.
That was great
If the mother had a cat's meet biz it means that Charles saw if not practiced butchery which could be a lead into the swiftness with which the body parts were taken from the victims...
If he was a butcher, that doesn't mean he chopped up women. How many butchers do you think lived in and around Whitechapel in 1888?
Well since they never identified who Jack actually was, this is all supposition.
With regard to the Pinchin Street torso, an alternative hypothesis would be that Lechmere deliberately left a torso as close as he could to a house connected to his ( troubled?) childhood ( Rather than just dumping it there for convenience). Imagine if the police had known that this torso was on the site of the former family home of a man who had been found next to the murdered Polly Nicholas?
Thoughts Mr Stowe? ( And congratulations on your highly impressive work).
The Pinchin Street location particularly interests me. I’m hoping Ed will revisit it again.
I suspect that Lechmere left a torso at Scotland Yard to make another (twisted) point, this time about the police.
@@philipskalla4312 Where would ANY of the Torso murderer suspects. dismembered the bodies? Lechmere or whoever. We’ll never know.
@@philipskalla4312 Lechmere's mother's (future?) cat meat business was very close by. It may have been in operation then.
Lechmere was still living in that house when the torso was found.
It's to be against the law to remove tombstones. Another word for it is called sacrilege. Also it makes it difficult for those who wish to trace their family tree 🌴🌲 would it be far nicer for a person to see where there family ancestors are buried instead of dumping the headstones in to a pile as if there worth nothing! Disgraceful if you ask me.
Thank you! For making this video it was very informative. History is so very important I can't believe that they ruined people's final resting places.
The content is excellent ed as ever . First reaction to the programme is regarding the colour photo of lechmere . He appears to have a deep gouge in his left cheek that isn't noticed to my eye in the bw
Excellent pick up!
Shout out to Gary Barnett’s research for making the connection of MaryAnn, deathbed witness and her husband’s, one of the key eyewitnesses of Liz Stride alive. Maryanne being at Emily Charlotte’s deathbed indicates, to me, a likely friendship. Living in the area of the murder scene, gives Charles a likely reason to be familiar with that area if he too were friends with the couple.
Mary Ann Marshall was living in Mary Ann Street at the time of Emily’s death. It was she who registered the death using the name Lechmere, which dispels the idea that Charles wasn’t known by that name when his stepfather was alive. Perhaps Cross was used on a day to day basis, but when it came to dealings with the authorities the name Lechmere was used. Except on two occasions …
The known facts are very few.
I’m aware of the two known occasions where he used the name Cross when communicating with the authorities. I discovered the first of those, the incident involving the death of the child in Islington in 1876 several years ago.
Incidentally, there is no conclusive proof that the Charles Cross who ran over the child was the same man as the 1888 ‘witness’.
All them destroyed resting place's I wouldn't walk in that place at night so many angry soul's a very sad place.
Also, just an opinion, but please don't try to squeeze between the headstones or step on the graves to get around them. Disrespectful.
GREAT!! video I learned a lot and it's my opinion as well that he is the ripper
Thank you for another excellent video Edward. Maybe it was much easier at that time to carry out a bigamous marriage. People didn't travel about much back then. Lechmere's mother Maria certainly had a knack for it. And I wonder how far back the mental illness went. I assume that the Lechmere genetic line has become defunct or, at least, scattered.
The mental illness was caused by Syphilis.. There weren't any condoms back then.
Very interesting
Those people are now in the trees and plants....never gone....
When someone is buried with loads of other people, like lechmere, are they all thrown in a hole together or in seperate boxes?
In the Lechmere case it would have been a deep hole, one person wide, and each would have a coffin of sone sort on tip of each other and buried over perhaps a week.
Hi please could you send me details on how to get to Charles Alan Lechmere's grave from the cemetry/park entrance thankyou
It's too complex I'm afraid
can you send me a map then many thanks
@@johnpenn-symons5354 The maps are crazy muddled.
That was very interesting Edward. The cat's meat business his mother ran might have some connections to Charles's activities perhaps?
Kill first by slicing neck, then get to utilizing butcher skills Sound familiar?!!!
WOW!!!
We can only imagine what family life was like with a husband and father like Lechmere. Did he really manage to hide what he was? His wife probably had the money to buy him his own plot so why didn't she? She obviously had no wish to be buried with him and the children didn't think it appropriate. I wonder if he said anything about the murders before he died.
Quite interesting.
definitely lechmere was jack the ripper
31:37 that's incredibly erie