Nicola Bulley and the Jack the Ripper investigation
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In this episode Edward Stow discusses the parallels between the very public mistakes made by the police in the recent and tragic Nicola Bulley case, and the way the police behaved during the Jack the Ripper murders. Edward Stow specifically examines the resignation of the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Sir Charles Warren and an important interview given by Inspector Helson of Bethnal Green's J Division of the Metropolitan Police after the murder of Polly Nichols. It is vital to comprehend what Helson said in this interview to be able to understand what happened during the police investigation in the vital first few days after this murder... and of course this has a huge impact upon the case against Charles Lechmere, in showing that he is easily the best suspect to be the man known to history as Jack the Ripper.
With thanks to Mike Pemberton for the colourisation of the Charles Lechmere photograph.
His TH-cam channel can be found here: / @pembysgamingworld
Check out this film I recently worked on with Richard Jones on his channel 'Jack The Ripper Tour':
The Life, Crimes And East End Of Charles Allen Lechmere - Jack The Ripper Suspect.
• The Life, Crimes And E...
She.never..killed..her.self.
I agree, nor did she slip.
@@jacqui9176 (yawns)
No she was Murdered and I hope the truth will be found out and arrests made. Him that found her is a close associate of Paul Ansell's brother. They spent four years each in prison for drug offences. More to Nicola's death than is being said...I hope she gets Justice ⚖️💕💐
We all no she didn't kill her self
Tragic accident, nothing more. She certainly wasn't murdered and despite the apparent medical issues I don't believe she commited suicide. I don't think it's humanly possible to lay down in a shallow river and deliberately put one's head under to then take enough breaths to drown yourself. As she adored the dog I doubt she would have taken it with her had she planned to end her own life especially when there are so many easier other ways to commit suicide.
My theory is this.... she sat on the bench to engage in the works call. Willow was running free and somehow got into some sort of difficulty making Nicola jump from the bench. As she ran to Willows aid she bent to grab the dog and lost her footing on the rather sleep and uneven bank. She fell head over heels and banged her head on the river bed rendering herself unconscious. Head down she subsequently drowned.
Nicola was not suicidal or alcoholic
Police broke data protection act.?? By smeared her name?
NO they didnt , the family was informed before the information was released. The information was going to be leaked to the media by someone else who would have profited from it.
How do you know this?
So, that doesn't give the police the right to come out and state it as fact. Could have just been attributed to baseless rumour.
@@rhyslewis5418 ok
@@rhyslewis5418 well I'm not a law man. But they smeared her. She not alcoholic or suicidal.
There is no cctv footage at school either
I don't believe her movements were seen on any CC TV footage, only on the Ring doorbell footage outside the house.
Correct
And even that's open to questions
Not a doorbell camera as the camera was facing towards the area of the door and not from it,the camera was situated above the garage
Distressed. ? On the contrary - they can't stop smirking and smiling.
She wasn’t seen on any cctv footage, that’s what we are worried about
So glad to see you back at the videos!
Thanks - more coming
Poor Nicola Bulley. My sincere sorrows to her family. I hope that they can find some peace. The police really messed up. Why would a woman commit suicide while walking her dog? Or why would a woman walk her dog while intoxicated and fallen accidentally into the River? It’s peculiar.
or drive her children to school?
She wasn't intoxicated because Paul allowed her to drive the girls to school
The police never messed up they are part of the cover up.
@@kevinkenny6975 Paul knows the truth as to Nicola's death.
Nicola hasn't passed over yet, ( her spirit is still here) cause she wants the truth to come out, and justice to be served. ⚖
Fascinating and well presented, Edward. I am not familiar with the area where Nicola disappeared so in the beginning of it, I did a bit of online research. One thing that I came across was extraordinary. 45 years ago to the day that Nicola vanished, a man did as well in the same exact spot. Sadly, he was found 2 months later. It was also considered peculiar at the time that it took so long to find him. You approached Nicola's story with such care. It is such a tragedy. Prayers that her family is coping best as they can.
Thank you - and I didn't know about the earlier disappearance.
It's like a David Paulides case
@@cutekanjii 😦😦😦
There is one thing ide bet on, ile bet all the experts and divers with peters sonar technology and all his team are 💯 percent certain that nicola wasnt in that river wen they searched it so thoroughly because it's not like they were searching for a needle in a haystack is it let's be real ehh it was a body and the river isn't that wide or that deep ....she wasn't in that river for 3 weeks without being found or spotted no effin way
@@likeaboss6421 She was snagged up under a root shelf, the divers and the sonar would not have gone into these areas due to risk assessment. That river is not the tranquil image you see underwater, it is treacherous and extremely difficult to search. In this situation due to risk and resource you are better off waiting for the elements to release her body and place spotters down the river, which is exactly what they did.
Apparently, the alleged 'last photo of Nicola' where she put Willow into the boot of the car and went for a walk, was not Nicola. This woman photographed that the Police claim was Nicola, was actually her 'friend' Emma. She has a garnet type ring on her right hand which clearly is shown in the photo, and which she hid during interviews. She wore a blue coat, either like Nicola's or was Nicola's, and then took the dog for a walk. Did Nicola actually take her children to school that day, or was it Emma? Nicola has falsely been accused of depression and alcoholism. This needs to be investigated further. Also, as Nicola's body was not found, even after several searches of the river, did the autopsy reveal that she died of drowning, and more importantly, was it the same water as the river water? There needs to be an investigation into Nicola's suspicious death. Nicola needs justice.
It was confirmed that Nicola took her children to school as she had a conversation with another parent at the school. One also must realise that these children who are not toddlers have been supported by family liaison officers so if their mother had not taken them to school it would have been revealed. An autopsy has been carried out by a coroner who is independent and an inquest has been opened which is normal in the UK if the person has not been attended by medical people in the weeks preceding death, if there was a question of foul play it would have been referred to the CPS.
That's a mistaken assessment, it clearly was Nicola, the so called ring was just small spot of the colour of the car poking through slightly open fingers as she pulled down the boot.
Another brilliant video Ed. Thanks for taking the time to put these together.
My pleasure!
Folks, the case for Lechmere being the killer is really quite simple. In short, if the killer was someone else, Mizen would have seen him exiting onto Baker St. Lechmere would have probably seen or heard him fleeing toward Baker St. And that's just 1/100 things. As was the case against Lizzie Borden, it simply could not have been anyone else. What's so difficult to understand about that?
True
Also interesting that the incident seems to have been timed to avoid the police patrols. I`m guessing that their timings (Mizen`s and Neal`s would have been known to anyone who used that route on a regular basis .Likewise the blind spot at the top of the road where the incident occurred .He`d have only had to take account of one field of view ( down Bucks Row ) and a long one at that which would have afforded him time to escape ?
@@absonus
Yes I cover this in an earlier video
Thank you Edward, another insightful video
When the body was discovered it had only been in the reeds for a few minutes,it was first spotted floating down the middle of the river,as told by the person who discovered the corpse.
So interested in both the Ripper murders but also sadly poor Nicola who died less than half and hour from my home. In both cases several major questions remain unanswered
But, is there a cover-up, do you think, or just incompetence?
@@DMG0011 lots of people locally are saying there is something more than just incompetence going on and certainly lots of questions need to be answered. Why put out a description of what she was wearing that was wrong? Why the dodgy video ‘evidence’ that possibly is not even Nicola? Lots of very dodgy things about this case that leave me feeling uncomfortable.
@lenfire I would say incompetence. Police under criticism for not securing a possible crime scene and insisting she'd somehow drowned in a foot of still water, released the personal data and details of a previous visit to the property, to justify their theory.. Only hope an Independent coroner will confirm the suspicion she was murdered and dumped in the river, probably by those closest to her.
So sad for her girls 🙏
The identity of the ripper is definitely known in high circles.
It’s just like that. There’s no secrets to some,especially back then.
The Bulley case is a travesty.
The more time goes on I wonder if Nicola walked off, disturbed by something negative she heard on the teams call. (interesting that her Facebook Mortgage page is still live) The official verdict seemed to deliberatley push towards an accidental death, however the evidence for this seemed weak and biased, I suggest there was a conspiracy to protect the name of Nicola by the Police and judiciary to save face and also as a favour to the family as a type of apology, there view, nothing good will served by telling the truth in so protecting her children and the families name going forward.
Very interesting. Great vid. Indeed apt to the recent case. When it gets complicated the mind can complicate it further.
Very true
But they searched that area time and time again. No Nicola found , ,then she is seen floating in river then gets snaged in that tree and reef,s right in the search area .
Not true - she was found much further downstream. Have you not heard the diver's explanation for why they didn't find her?
@@thetragicyouth we don't know exactly where she was first spotted
@@kevinkenny6975 She was first spotted by the tree which is only a 4min? drive from where the bench is .The only "issue" is how did she get over the weir .Opinion was she couldn`t have .That was the commonly held view. That being so it may suggest that she went in the other side of the weir but that`s got to be a 6/7 minute walk from the bench .I`m guessing I`ve never walked that way only driven.
@@absonus did the person who spotted her not say she had been floating before reaching the tree? Alot of conflicting statements.
@@kevinkenny6975 😊yes that,s true Kevin as I said above she was seen floating in the river ,then got snagged on that tree and reed,s. ,so Nicola was not there for the 23 day,s ,yes I did see she was moving with the flo of the water,s as peter f. Stated all along ...
Fascinating in depth detail and analyses Ed, I wait with anticipation for a new video each time, Your approach seems to be as always, spot on. Could you please shorten the intervals between each new video making when possible, much appreciated, Thank You.
I'm afraid work commitments mean i have to fit in making these videos when I can, but thank you for your kind comments.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Most understandable, Keep up the immense good work that you do. Thank You.
The police acted differently in multiple ways during this whole sorry mess.
No reconstruction or even the basics of taping off the bench was very very strange.
Brilliant watch as always Ed
Cheers - are you back south soon?
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 was due to be March but now April. Will let you know. Gonna be in London a few times a year now.
@@warcrypublishing
Look forward to it!
Intuition and gut instinct across the world from people who ' feel ' something's not right !! Not to mention numerous things that don't make sense ! Any investigator uses intuition and gut instinct as well as fact.
Exactly this! I’m in Australia. I’ve never got involved in any other cases, but from the get-go my intuition was screaming that things were not right here. I was aghast that the police said from day one that no foul play was suspected, & no third party involvement. It was FAR too early to say that so categorically.
I fear we’ll never know the truth, and more importantly the poor family may not either. Her poor girls & parents. 😪💔🕯️🕊️💛💛💛💛
The beginning and the end made it look like you came up from the water.^^ Thank you for the video. Always good content.
Aquaman
One of st Michaels on Eyre councillor who took selfie on that bench. A local councillor Mmmm selfie on bench?
Armchair sleuths with no idea how to investigate a crime... sad.
Says someone named the tragic youth. Lol lame
I can't find anything about that anywhere, only local councillor talking out against people coming to take photos, where did you hear that please?
@@thetragicyouth neither do the police it would seem.
@@michelle4595you will have to look at eddys vinyl break or armchair detective or it was something in the last 7 8 days on u tube. But I did see him there by the bench in an interview with him and he took photos. He has glasses round face about 40?? He a local councillor for st Michaels. Hope this helps you. Carnt be more specific sorry. But he did I've seen it .
Very well explained. The press has their angle (besides profit) and the police have theirs (besides justice).
Brilliant vid. Jus stumbled across UR channel and my Son is renting in Whitchapel, so looking forward to more interesting Eastend videos from you & subscribed.
Welcome aboard!
Well presented & a pleasure to listen to your calming voice & logical theories
Thank you kindly!
Edward stow your podcast are fantastic and your knowledge are brilliant when done sir
Absolutely Amazing History. Thank You So Much 🥂✅
Glad you enjoyed it
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 thank you so much. From Los Angeles CA ✅🇬🇧
@The House of Lechmere
I think Robert Mann was Jack the Ripper; we shall never know.
Thank you for the video.
Why no photos of Nicolas Funeral?
Some sort of court order I think
The police said that they were the one who found the body was because they knew they had slipped up by letting the two men walk away from the body and the scene, instead of taking them into custody.
Thankyou for your common sense and views new sub from near London
Very interesting Edward 👍
That was excellent .
Thank you
21:14 bloke and woman smoking a joint, bottom left of screen lol
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Well spotted!
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Another fascinating analysis
with its very intriguing title.
But what really horrified me has nothing to do with your programme, but the headline on the DAILY EXPRESS at 3:20.
When are adults going to learn that young children and dogs can be a deadly combination. The mauling of a child by a dog is sadly not uncommon, yet adults shrug their shoulders and say ‘my dog is far too friendly to do anything like that’.
Wake up people - do NOT leave dogs and children together, not even for a second.
I hope you don’t mind me trying to get this message out on your platform.
23 day,s later .
23 an occult number
And the same number engraved on the wooden bench that her phone was left on....🤔
@@EveryoneneedsaGary nazi beer hall putsch 1923 julius caesar belived to have been stabbed 23 times neptune worship 23 july
I will stand by my original hypothesis (made right at the start of the "investigation" and that is : Nicola was murdered ( probably drowned ) and then put into a sluice/drain/tunnel found in fatmlands, kept there until all searching finished and put into the river where her body floated upstream to test in the branches of the broken willow tree.
Needless to say,like all other speculations it cannot be proved.
The injustice is on the way the police conducted themselves in this case.
All very interesting then and now 🧐🧐👍🇬🇧
Thank-you
I'm a fan and watch every video yall put out. You are the leading expert on Lechmere but I do believe I have a convincing case against him being the ripper. I always want the best to help poke hole in my theories. If you are interested in seeing the video when I'm done just reply so I can come back and let you know. Cheers!
Don't keep us in suspense, What have you got?
If you are doing a video be sure to post a link!
Is jack T R a bastard child of one of the royals?? 🤔
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 th-cam.com/video/vBf629bq1qY/w-d-xo.html this isn't necessarily the "rebuttal" video but a "general" video. I'd love to hear your feedback... I'm trying to do something a little different.
@@elguapo42
It's very well put together
thank you
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I said that all a long
People adapt to this changing world differently. Some go with the flow and learn new things. Some need the concept of pausing a video on the internet explained.
Yes!
This is a total cover up case...
Cops can be so daft.
They can be that corrupt im afraid
One has to read about Oldfield and his obsession regarding the "Geordie Tape' ! Two more women were murdered because of his incompetence.
Plus, Sutcliffe was interviewed 9 times and left alone!
The Nicola Bulley case will be another one of those incompetent police so-called "investigation !
Although I have my doubts about Lechmere ( because we can only speculate and have no real proof, but I admit there is some logic), I do consider you an excellent researcher. I would be interested to hear you views on other topics going forward.
Keep watching - the next one will be good!
Helsons interview paid off after all.
Bless you Edward getting soaked...🤔😊👍⚖️
I have to say though Edward. None of Nicola's movements were captured. There is nothing and NO sightings of Nicola.
Please go to listen to Mind Juice I think you will appreciate his videos on Nicola. You won't be disappointed:
There's a great little cafe there in Blackpool at the bottom of Coronation Street right across from the theater where Russell Brand appeared.
Great food and nice and clean.
That's the reason I would visit Blackpool for their bacon and sausage beans and egg.😃👍
You did well with all the traffic whizzing past. 😊
Ive been wondering what’s happen to her Autopsy report was it drugs did she leave a note ? or Did she leave a video on her phone? . everyone and everything has become very quiet about Nicolas death 🤔 It’s very Odd to say the least !!
It is in June
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 thanks for the INFO it was most appreciated 👍🏻
MINDJUICE has solved the case.
If PC Mizen thought PC Neil had sent the two men to him after finding the body he surely must have thought it strange that they are not mentioned in the account of PC Neil or Inspector Helson. It's true that we are talking about different divisions but it hardly breeds confidence especially as Paul is intially fobbed off. There is also a discrepancy. Inspector Helson gives a beat time of about twelve minutes yet PC Neil states he had last passed that spot thirty minutes earlier. So either his beat took over twice as long (on at least one occasion) or he was somewhere else. I'm wondering if the practice of knocking people up for work was the reason his beat took longer.
Another account said the beat took 20 minutes. It woukd depend whether each small side street within the beat was explored.
Who polices the police? Then & now? She was murdered. How many more afterwards? SMH. Just imagine if the police had truly done their job. Same with Lechmere. His first JTR murder would have been his last. Four unfortunates would have spared horrific deaths. Sadness
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She was never seen on camera that day
And the grass is green , well done 👍🤦♂️
Thank you Mr. Stow. Well narrated and most interesting.
But isn’t it rather strange that Paul’s “Remarkable Statement”, only appeared two days after the interview in Lloyd’s Weekly Newspaper?
The interview must have been quite newsworthy, not to say sensational in its capacity of criticizing the police’s way of handling the case.
But perhaps Lloyd’s chose to believe the police’s official version that PC Mizen was the first man to find the body.
What I find somewhat remarkable is that Paul, who seem to have had a profound dislike for the police, voluntarily imbedded himself in the investigation, and moreover implicated himself. I mean, today Paul, and even more so Lechmere, would be considered persons of interest by the police.
Lloyds was a Sunday paper and they sat on their exclusive
Paul was pulled in and cleared
Paul never put himself in the frame. He also doesn't give any indication of disliking police. He just wanted to straiten out the facts.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 That explains a lot. Silly me.
JTR Nicola B.
Outstanding job, Ed
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I think you can be pretty sure that the police statements in the Nicola Bulley case were produced with the consent and approval of the family. Maybe at the behest of the family, to damp down press speculation, and prepare the ground for her body being found in the water, which must have seemed to them the most likely outcome. In their position, that's what I would have done. If you suspect that your loved one has taken her life, the last thing you want is for her name to be in the headlines day after day, with speculation about kidnaps etc.
And yes, Lechmere delayed coming forward. But so did Robert Paul. If their story was true, then as far as they were concerned, they had done their bit, reporting the woman to the police officer. It's likely that Robert Paul got a bit of money for his story to the journalist, otherwise he probably wouldn't have said anything either. If I was Lechmere, and I was the killer, I wouldn't have gone to the inquest, unless I was summoned. Why voluntarily put yourself in the frame, if you were guilty? He might have, but it would take huge self-confidence.
That.says..it
Strange you are bringing this up relating to negligence and the Ripper. From the 1880s
I felt Nicola Bulley's case was relevant, concerning and questionable ...
Given the time passed and still Police have gained nothing of any incite in dealing with cases.
I mentioned The Ripper in a long comment, but The Yorkshire Ripper 'Peter Sutcliffe' from 1977
a week or two back about the behaviour of the police and the inconsistencies.
As the ignorance and Narcissism and bloody minded superiority caused many more murders
And in-between these Centuries and decades developing into modern times!
I find Police Corruption invades Moral Integrity and that seems to be the change from 1880s to the present.
So what have the Police learnt?
How to make money from the system while in uniform, or uniform amongst groups - like clans.
How will the Public ever trust the Police when all they show us is contempt and arrogance, bullying and physical abuse. And because they have the word Police written into their job title they believe they can literally get away with their involvement in serious crimes. And sometimes they do literally.
Thanks for the story eloquently presented.
Back in the day of 1800s when the Ripper was feared. It's said there were suspicions a business man made his way to Whitehaven in Cumbria and it was thought he was the ripper but I can't remember the name.
Back then with less facilities and less manpower at least they had tried to do the right thing...
I would hope that would be the same today to do the right thing, but I feel I'm expecting too much!!
You look Dapper in your outfit. Quite the Gentleman 👍😊
Yes. Regarding the Yorkshire ripper, the chief inspector was adamant the recording sent from wearside Jack was genuinely the ripper so followed that line to the exclusion of everything else. Talk about incompetence
@@kevinkenny6975 A chap worked for me back in the day (he was ex job) who was a close friend of Oldfield. He told me that Oldfield was a broken man after the Ripper case .Never got over how he was misled by the fake tapes . He had a heart attack during the investigation, although the police didn`t admit it at the time , and he was taken off the case. Died age 61. The final victim you could argue
@@absonus Quite agree
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Oldfield wasn't misled. He just like the rest were too arrogant and self-indulgent narcissists to listen to anything reported that didn't fit their Narrative... Fixated with the recording, they didn't even have the competence to recognise it was fake and deliberately misleading, and they were told many times that it wasn't their man. So in that time of their superiority many more victims were notched up.
I also knew certain people at that time in the police force and socialised with a few. They're of a different breed, they lack empathy.
I was told off the record his blood group type back in 1979. And another blood group type. Both rare blood types.
I was told too that there was suspicion on an officer that they thought might be responsible and it was been secretly investigated....
Maybe one did attack one woman but the one they were seeking from the tape was a pathetic thrill seeker.
Still my opinions of our National Policing Services throughout the UK won't change until the criminals pay for their crimes we pay wages for them to carry on doing...
Their incompetence and ineptness is unfathomable..Just wearing a Uniform doesn't give them a brain, but we are meant to be obedient no matter how many laws they break.
The system is flawed because the ones in the position of authority are also flawed
I don't trust them and I don't have faith in them.
They have become more corrupt....
There's much more to the story that was covered up.
And at times not everything is told of the truth. Some is fabricated...
An Example...There was no footage or witnesses that saw Nicola Bulley that Friday morning... But because we are lied to and told these tales and fabrication by The Police we are told we can trust, then we just have to believe the Garbage...
And that tells a story about them !!!
We cannot look up to them and feel confident for them to do the right things.
Andrew Snowden is like a slimy gangster who likes to belittle women like he did Nicola Bulley.
And he is an example of contempt he holds us in!!
We don't want people of his nature in his position to cause harm to ones he's meant to protect
They taped off the lane leading out through the other gate as they knew it was there whatever happened and not the bench area
Oh yh that very shallow river people go past it every day
Interesting to read all these comments about the river being shallow and Nicola being a good swimmer etc… All proved inaccurate at the inquest.
Yes
Inquest has been adjourned until June .
How creepy is it that the Whitechapel station is literally next to the death scene? The least they could do is give her a Memorial Plaque. As for the armchair detectives and social media tragedy pimps reconstructing her disappearance and death (ad nauseam) for clicks, clout, and views, I refuse to support their disgusting behavior. Thank you for treating the subject matter responsibly.
Thanks
Someone logged on to a conference call, lets be exact.
There is one fact that I don't think could be disputed. The equipment used to scan that river was highly sophisticated and would have identified anything as large as a body clear as day unless the body jumped over the weir and travelled at unprecedented speed downstream. The scan was carried out well upstream of the bench. If she committed suicide further downstream the body wouldn't have traveled upstream. This is not conspiracy theory. If this prompts criticism of the police it would seem quite justified.
Whistler's Winged Hat, R Whites Lemonade, 8 mins or Psalm 23, Jack the Dipper is gaining notoriety.
Check tread foot prints of NextcWellies!
Nichola was put back in the river after the searched ww all no that
Wonder if a belt garrote was used at first to kill, then the gashing and stabbings and cutting. Looped around then twisted, they'd prevent a scream. That is if the killer put one grip on her right shoulder with the left hand, then wrapped the strap around with the right, the circlage could be twisted tight or pulled elbows akimbo to snuff out the life quickly. Pocket the garrote and pull out a blade, and little to no blood spillage
They didn't need to be dead merely unconcious. A couple of the victim pictures appear to show what may be thumb marks around the throat so it's not impossible that they came round before he could cut their throat and had to be strangled. I think his normal approach was to suffocate them with one arm whilst covering their mouth with his free hand. They would then be laid down and we know the rest.
@@vespasian606 : unconsciousness won't stop tremendous spurting of blood . . . The Nichols scene was just not bloody enough for the amount of cutting discovered to be on a live person
@@rogerscottcathey You are wrong. Blood pressure drops significantly upon unconciousness which means spurting doesn't happen. That's not to say it wasn't a messy process (to say the least). None of the ripper murder scenes show evidence of spurting.
Nonsense. The ripper scenes were extremely bloody..
@@theoryofpersonality1420 wrong.
No lead was ever found,just the harness
I have a question for you , how old would Letchmere have been at the time of the Ripper murders ??
Late 30s
Interesting .The Bully case very local to me .I know the river. A further complicating factor (according to the police) is that when she went in she would have been quickly covered by silt and it would take the next high tide to change that .Which is what happened. The tree where she was found is on an otherwise feature less stretch of the river.
Does the tide really reach that far inland?
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Not in the area where her phone and dog were found - that stretch of river is bounded by a weir and is non-tidal. It is also shallow and very slow moving. The were no signs of river bank entry (slip marks etc) in that area either. Many searchers have stated that it was very unlikely that a large object such as a body would be able to pass the weir, so if she fell into the river, is it more likely she entered further downstream past the weir, which is at odds with the location where the phone and dog were found. The stretch of the river where the body was later found had been searched many times (including a four hour sonar search) and nothing was found. Strange case.
Nope don't agree, it was quite shallow up by the bench, rocks and she was a good swimmer!! Foul play ▶️▶️ most likely.
And the River was searched by a very competent professional expert diver with teams and sonar equipment and he found no trace of her at all!! Doesn't that say a helluva lot about suddenly the body appearing at that particular spot in reeds???
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 To an extent depending on its height , of course. The tides were high during that period. On that particular tree there is always debris (plastic and fishing line ect) caught at normal water level but also debris higher up the tree so it does appear subject to a degree of rise and fall. However they still fish for freshwater species around that area so the salinity can`t be very high. I do agree that the police communication strategy was poor .
Harness found not the lead ,lead not found as yet
So the lead wasn't still attached to the harness?
@@theoryofpersonality1420 no
This suggestion may not land well with some folk, but it's my belief that Jack might actually be a Jill. Everyone from the beginning has been looking for a man and coming up empty with loads of wild theories. Just think about it a little. Who knows?
You are incorrect. The lead has never been found, only the harness & phone & dog,also incorrect about CCTV footage, hardy any from what we have been told.
This is a cookie cutter Missing 411 case that is covered by David Paulides.
100% Foul Play And THAT'S A FACT. 😢😢
The jack the ripper case was solved. I don't know why everyone keeps acting like it wasn't. 🙄
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No emma walked the dog dressed up like emma
Seriously they ain't distressed
If it was me I would like someone to be held accountable. Smiley, happy, mothers of young children and a good swimmer would not take the dog she loves to watch her jump into a shallow river and try to drown. Her dog would have followed her into it if it was not tied up. The walk was frequented by all the local dog walkers, which makes it a ridiculous place to attempt to drown oneself. She did not do herself in. I do not have the time to educate you but really, there is too much proof of foul play. Oh, and the ripper was royal. Its obvious. You my dear sir have had too much education. You only know what you have been told. Therefore your ability to think outside the box,
puts items such as these a bit beyond your comprehension, and so, my dear, I bid you, Adios!
It's 'obvious' that Jane Channing knows everything 'obviously' because she's the only one who's 'obviously' educated and knows all there is to know 'obviously' 🙄
This man is like a JTR Encyclopedia and has done many years of research and even though he favours Lechmere, he will never say it is obvious - more a case of more than likely and talks very logically which is why i am in the Lechmere Camp. You just have to simplify things more and realise that an ordinary working class man may have committed these crimes - not some fantasy character that will sell lots of books and keep the money rollin in....Royal my arse!
Sorry Ned, you're going with the flow, the information they had was given by Paul, you're facts are mere fictions.
Masonic mockery
B.S....lol
. Will you be writing any sort of book about Cross or are you avoiding that because you realise you'd be very quickly exposed as Eddy Butler; the former member of violent fascist group Combat 18 and comedy far-right chancers the BNP.? I see from photos you appear to be married to Cross's sister..or, at a pinch, daughter. Anyway thanks for your time.!
WTF!!!
@@PaquetasCar2147 All true.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_Butler
Just went down a little rabbit hole on this and it seems you’re correct.
I do not believe she was there because water was so shallow it’s impossible for her to drown in it cause she was a good swimmer