Would be funny if, when decomp finishes, someone makes a port that includes all the worst aspects of each version. Things like 1.0 graves, N64 load times, English text, PAL framerate, nonsensical button mappings, the most oversensitive analog controls yet.
Yeah, and we'll be back to VC style releases where you have to purchase the games individually again, and then the Switch 3 will throw that all out the window again!
The amount of disrespect that nintendo shows to its own classics, especially ones with so much historical significance to gaming in general. It's sad to see.
How did they go through all the design, take time out of their day to rearrange memory, edit a few things, look at the fog, input lag, and button mapping, and go "yep looks good to me"
I guarantee you that the only controller without input lag will be the n64 switch controller, conveniently with proper button mapping too! Buy now, love nintendo!
Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if they modified the game for the Wii U version, then took the same modified version and put it on the Switch. Would even go far as to say that the emulator is emulating the emulator which is emulating the game Switch emulator -> Wii U emulator -> N64 game. All just speculation of course
I mean the VC emulator wasn't bad. Control stick sensitivity not quite accurate and the fairies in MM being the wrong colour. Otherwise those emulators were great. Somehow Nintendo managed to make worse and worse emulators over time.
@@simpson6700 I mean, to know what the product is like you kinda do have to pay initially, on top of all if it's something that you're really excited about and don't wanna wait for a review, but I imagine that most people will not continue with the subscription after this
@@starlight8115 that's exactly the problem, people have so little self control that they can't wait a day for reviews or public opinion on social media to pop up. maybe they even are so ignorant that they have no idea how much their impulsiveness hurts the gaming industry.
Me: "Hey, listen! It's been twenty years, can we can Ocarina a full remaster/remake for modern hardware?" Nintendo: "How about a worse version of Ocarina?"
Nintendo should have remade oot. Plain and simple. The nso was better for nintendo because they can get games sooner to people and then fix them. Instead of rebuilding the game from the ground up and then selling them to us. Nintendo had 8 years to get the ball rolling and they fumbled the ball. Now its the 4th qrt and nintendo is down by 23 points. And nintendo just made a field goal.
@@Bee_Mavrick erhm n3ds had much improvements.Better character models and much better controls. Don't expect nintendo to do ramake every gen. You skipped it ok but that's not Nintendo business ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My concern with all this is that there might be a logic trap in the future bizness logic o' Nintendo. Either: they don't meet whatever their profit estimate thing for this is and conclude "oh, people don't want the old games as much as we thought, let's not worry about improving the emulation." Or: they do meet the profit estimate and thus conclude everything is "good enough" and thus decide not to improve anything. I genuinely don't know a guaranteed way to get Nintendo out of this logic trap if they fall into it.
I know the perfect response to this trap. if everyone had rushed to by the expansion pass showing an overwhelming amount in the sales, then have barely anyone, if anyone at all, cancel their subscriptions shortly after. that shows the service was what people wanted, then shows it's not how we wanted it.
Man remember when one of the devs was having nightmares that OoT would become unplayable due to nasty bugs and oversights? Sure has turned into a dream now. it's full of bullshit.
That one dev was, iirc, Miyamoto himself. If he wasn't an entirely different person these days I'm sure he'd fear sleeping for the sheer horror of his nightmares.
I was able to beat the game in 6 hours. Completely playable. A little clunky. The poor graphics in some cut scenes didn't really bother my gameplay. Shooting gallery was my biggest issue.
imagine wanting a port of an old game to hold to standards of when it released 20+ years ago.... imagine expecting improvements to have been made... since they are charging money for it - ON A SUBSCRIPTION
But it doesnt even hold the standards of 20+ years ago. Free emulation have made more inprovements . Thats why people are mad. We don't imagine it , we play it freely on pc.
@@ZelosSama but with how copyright laws regarding digital product IP is set, you're doing it illegally. Would you advocate for the hiring of a nascar driver because they stole a car and drove it really well? No, you'd charge them with stealing your Nascar car....
@@YouAreFilledWithDetermination The game looks weird to you because you know what it originally looked like. To a new player, other than the N64ness of the graphics it won't look particularly weird. The input lag on the controls is pretty horrifying (like it was on Wii U as well), but most people are surprisingly tolerant of even this much input lag. This version of the game is honestly fine for new players, it's way worse for people who know the game who know it shouldn't be like this.
@@Cream147player I agree. I’ve never played it and was really excited about this and so far it hasn’t been awful. It’s not outstanding but it’s pretty enjoyable so far, but I’m not very far either
Yall are so dramatic 💀 the game is the exact same they just got rid of the fog. Just play the game like a normal person without trying to break the game with glitches and you shouldn't have any issues. My only complaint is there is no option to invert the aiming axis
@Walther Penne noone said that... The person that said that hasnt worked at Retro for over 10 years And yes, you can match JoyCons to Wii inputs, as shown in SSHD, the game that most prominenly used Wii motion sensor, and hell, on an emulator you can emulate the wii pointer to the rigth stick The Prime games can also be ported from Gamecube, and ad gyro controlls and a new controll scheme if they have issiues with the motion controls
Kinda funny that Nintendo tries to crack down on piracy, yet when they release their classic games they look and run like shit. And they wonder why people emulate?
The looks are fine to me, it's almost the old N64 look. I'm not asking for any more than that. How it runs is another story. The 3DS versions of OOT and Majora's Mask run just fine but there's no excusing this. They should have kept the fog or at least player test it beforehand imo.
It would be cool if Nintendo would let you play the game at the original resolution. I've never really liked the look of N64 in High Quality. (But let's be honest, if they can't even give us Link's correct gauntlet colors for $80, I doubt they'd do anything cool like that.)
@@rob25222 I know. I wish there was an option to play with the visuals at their native resolution integer scaled to my screen, even if it's blurry. The N64 has hardware Anti-Aliasing and in my opinion, games don't look right without it.
@@WalrusStu my brother actually got this N64 upscaler box from best buy and uhhh I prefer what Nintendo gives us. Upscale by alot, no good. Downscaling is always fine but that's not what we want ha.
@@neetlukako I will agree. There should be different options idk about. But still even the screen resolution most people have is 1080. Ur expanding it way too much as it is. Messes around too much with it
Man, people here defending the input lag because they “didn’t notice it” OoT is one of my all time favorite games, and the WiiU and Switch emus are the only ones that have /that/ much input lag. Also, Nintendo didn’t remake the game, they built a trash emulator that runs a (roughly) 15-year-old version of the rom that is the game, it renders the fog incorrectly, has weird button mapping, stick sensitivity issues, and probably the worst of all, the input lag. But it’s obvious most of the people here don’t know what they’re talking about, or how roms/emulation works.
.2 second input lag would have gotten this game canned in its original release but every 17 year old and their 35 year old dad have just GOT to defend Nintendo from the big meanies expecting them to put out passing-grade emulation.
those defenses would be weak as hell even _if_ it was impossible to find higher quality ROMs running on functional emulators, which it *isn't.* Nintendo is so weird about emulation with their classic games - they decry it as piracy while failing to provide quality alternatives.
@@squeegeemcgee ...Higher quality roms isn't the issue. Indeed, the raw roms themselves are the highest quality possible, direct and unaltered. They applied a patch to a single game, which doesn't even affect anything but a single symbol in the game, a very minor texture edit. Nintendo has indeed used this exact same patch for GC, Wii, and Wii U. All it does is change the original Gerudo Moon symbol (which was very similar to an Islamic symbol) into the Gerudo symbol used in every game since. No, the issue is the emulator is SCUFFED AS HELL. All of the bugs, messed up graphics, and input lag are a result of a poor quality emulator.
Yeah I honestly have no idea how people can defend this, like I bet I could homebrew my switch, put a third party emulator on there and it would run Ocarina of Time better than this XD
8:36 “It’s sad you guys shit talk everything” … while ZFG actively demonstrates, explains, and is helping the community understand the problems with this Emulation perfectly shows how the state of gaming has become more about toxic positivity than quality assurance. Nothing has to be good or even fully functional anymore- it just needs to be familiar.
@@oscargasparguitarra my whole god damn point is that he’s showing how the game doesn’t plays functionally (which doesn’t only mean “can you beat it casually”) and you’re still here like “yeah it’s fine”
@@BradsGonnaPlay well yeah, it's not marketed as a speedrunner emulation experience or something like that. It's an option to play old games on the Switch and have fun. And for that, it's fine.
@@oscargasparguitarra This is literally the worst version of the game by a mile, even for casual play. It's ugly to look at (even by N64 standards) and the controls are unresponsive. None of this is about the speedrunner experience. Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
@@xSilentZeroXxC'mon dude, you're better than that, I believe in you. TH-camrs and reviewers are complaining because they know controversy gets them views, and people on the internet are just following a trend, complaining for the sake of complaining and repeating the same bad arguments, it's f*ing stupid, think for yourself! I played the original N64, the GC port, the WiiU virtual console version, the 3ds and even emulation on PC, and let me tell you, the Switch one is not the worst. Just watch an analyisis or comparison video.
Project64 is a beast compared to Nintendo’s own emulator, the problem is that Nintendo’s own emulator has several old graphical bugs that have already been fixed on the Project64 emulator a long time ago
"You're not the judge of what people get to care about" I think that statement best exemplifies the issue. The average gamer only cares about being able to just launch the game and take the nostalgia trip. They don't really care if it's inferior on a technical level. That's fine and all, but casuals have the problem where they despise anyone who dares to care about something that they don't. If someone doesn't care about the technical problems, and still enjoy the game, cool; however I do, and I'm in my right to hold such a massive company to higher standards. People will simp for mediocrity, and it's depressing.
@@CMSonYT "We must bow down, brothers and sisters, to the great and almighty Nintendo, for they were gracious enough to at least let us have the game!" - Page 1 of the Nintendo Simp Mantra
At first I was in the "everyone is complaining too much" camp but the further I got in the more I realized that this was absolute hell. I can't even aim.
I bought the original the day it came out on the 64 when I was 13...this hurt my heart to see the lack of love put into it. This was a huge part of my childhood. Covid must be way worse over there
@@Shadowdark1994 Any fairly modern phone should be able to easily run N64 emulation. Use Bluetooth to hook up a controller and you can play it very well
I tried on my Switch and apparently C right is ZR plus A. It’s how you play the other ocarina notes too. It’s horrible button mapping considering they could have literally ripped the mapping from OOT3D for the OOT64 Switch port to make it so much easier EDIT: Got my buttons mixed up. I said Y instead of A, since A is the rightmost letter button
Add onto the fact that select N64 games have different button placement, it's all the more baffling that they didn't do the same for OoT. Or even better, _rEmApPiNg OuR oWn BuTtOnS._
@@Medachod nintendo honestly seems to just love making Zelda fans absolutely miserable, but we keep up comin back because they _occasionally_ put out absolute bangers of a game key word occasionally it’s literally usually trash and i shouldn’t expect anything less from nintendo (who appear to have some weird inside joke in their office “ok how can we make ocarina even worse with every port and remake we do of it”), but of course as a zelda fan i literally come crawling back for the _occasional_ great games they bring out
@@gannon_banned ill say it, i think skyward sword was the last actually good zelda they made also i really really wish they would make a new game though with the twilight princess art style
@@GGG_gaming Are you referring to the original before BotW or the HD version that came out not too long ago before the NSO expansion? I dont have a switch so can't evaluate but even with the minimal changes I'd still argue more effort went into porting Skyward Sword to switch than with OoT and the other N64 titles (though particularly OoT).
@@andyg2401 the original of course, to me BOTW is not a real zelda game no proper dungeons, 3 bosses (4 with dlc yes im counting all blits as one boss and maybe lynols) but theres been warriors of hyrul, and what 2 remakes? since skyward sword i think and SWS was 2011
Resell sites (eBay, FB marketplace, craigslist, etc.) are gonna be pissing steamdecks out of the walls a couple months tops after release. Why would PC gamers give a shit about a scrunched down laptop with a tiny screen? I'm pretty sure the deck is smaller than the average PC gamer's GPU. The steamdeck would be right at home in a world where people don't jerk off to pixel count over game quality. Or even a world where pixel count isn't at all associated to game quality.
Bruh thats awfully hostile. I'm just excited to play a better game selection than switch when I'm travelling without lugging around a laptop everywhere
@@MajorasWrath1 i dunno what youve been looking at but ive seen alot of PC players liking the idea of steamdeck most people that ive seen not liking it are just the extremists that dont like things that are different than what theyre currently using
@@MajorasWrath1 tf is this take It's a more powerful switch, that doubles up as a PC, is a handheld and has (naturally) 1000s upon 1000s of games. The game quality is literally there AS WELL AS pixel count because it literally houses every game ever released since it's a PC. Are you okay? PC gamers actually like the switch. The non-pretentious ones generally and what does the steam deck being smaller than a GPU have to do with literally anything?
Yeah that bugged me alot too. Why are they changing the whole look of him to a feminine looking guy with a blue dress. The iconic green tunic will always be Link.
@@Valstrax420 Link has always been feminine though. Some might have more masculine features than others but he’s always been created to look slightly androgynous. EDIT: I’ve realized that comment might be sarcasm or alluding to something else and I’m sorry if that’s the case lmfao. It’s hard for me to decipher sarcasm and such through text
@@Neogears1312 The worst part is how they all think the funniest thing you can do is to be contrarian in the most predictable way possible. Tell them not to do or say something and that's the most surefire way to get spammed with 20 assholes doing exactly that. I think a lot of major streamers know that tendency and know how to use it for comedic value with, idk I guess you'd call it reverse psychology? but still. it can kinda get sickening
OoT is considered by many to be the most iconic Legend of Zelda game, and one of the most iconic games of all time. And Nintendo does this to it. Ffs just pirate it for gamecube, don't give nintendo money
Regarding the new Gerudo symbols: The GC version actually has them replacing the old ones in the ROM (which can be confirmed by dumping the game and opening the ROM in the emulator of your choice), while Wii VC uses an unmodified 1.2 ROM and replaces the symbols at runtime. I do not know for sure whether Wii or Wii U VC replaces the symbols in Dampé's grave (and can't readily check), but GC did not.
The 3DS version got criticized and rightfully so for making the Ganon battle too bright and as a result less moody and epic. It doesn't look like this version will fare much better in that regard.
I know how you guys feel. Used to play Halo multi-player all the time, with Halo 2 being my favorite. MCC drops in 2014, turns out they ported the Windows Vista version of Halo 2 instead of the original Xbox version. The Windows Vista port was already hot garbage, and of course it only got worse after being ported again.
at least 343 is taking bug notes and the time to improve it nintendos like "fuck you give me if you want to keep playing" and to think nintendo used to be at the top of my list now they are right beside ps
So you're telling me, on the joycons, the four left buttons map to the D-pad - which does _literally nothing_ - but they couldn't map all the C buttons!?
@@b.clarenc9517 It seems like it is not very common. But at 4:16 you can hear it. 6:34 you can hear it twice but very quick. 6:54 but im not sure if thats just glitch related.
The only version of Ocarina of time I played was the 3ds remake so I don’t really have solid ground to stand on. So I went out and played the original, and the way I realized that it looked so much foggier added this sense of mysticism, not to mention it didn’t lag all that much on my input but it still did cuz the controller was busted. Got a new one and it worked much better. Sad to see how half made this is
Glad that I didn't pay the money for the upgrade of the online membership, I'll stick with the basic one as pretty much I only use it for online play from time to time (but mostly Smash with my bros.), plus... I have hooked my good old consoles for a better EXP. overall, and while I'm not a speedrunner or anything like that, a bad emulation really gets on my nerves while playing the games.
If they notice too many people stick to the old subscription , you bet they will make the new sub mandatory , instead of making the sensible decision of making the new sub more appealing.
@@ZelosSama Honeslty, it wouldn't be a suprise, giving how Nintendo does a bogus job in that part, if that happens, the family membership would end up being my only option with the help of my bro and maybe one of my cousins or aunts.
I can brag myself to be one of the first zfg followers, although most of the time as a humble stalker. I consistently watch his streams since he was around with some friends on justintv doing any% Oot and MM back at 2011, I think. And I never ever laughed so hard with his videos as with this one. His voice tone at 2:19 is priceless, LMAO.
Watched this live and it's funny to see how badly this was done. That being said I wouldn't expect them to fix glitches like stick as adult since it still is technically not intended to be a thing. It really does suck that a port can't just be the same as the original but obviously I don't know what sort of work goes into these ports either.
Its beyond just that, the emulator they're using seems to be horribly inaccurate and has input lag that even casual players find uncomfortably high. On top of the many other issues with controls etc. Its clear that almost no work went into this.
@@gamerelated8985 th-cam.com/video/b3tbcUszA2s/w-d-xo.html Wrong. You have experienced roughly DOUBLE the input lag that you would have playing on the n64, even when playing on an ideal screen this is the case. I dont care if you can't feel it, it's there and others who suck less can easily feel the difference If you don't believe me I suggest you give this other video a watch, it was created for the NSO controversy specifically and is made using all of the correct equipment (high speed cameras and a special device that connects to the monitor to get a baseline added input lag). He's comparing Mario instead of Zelda but the input lag findings are the same between games
This is honestly just starting to piss me off now. Did Nintendo just stop giving a shit? It's not wonder they have to treat every year like they might go bankrupt. At some point people are gonna stop giving them money.
Not sure. Tricks seem too inconsistent without it, but maybe it would be possible to play without save states with enough practice. A lot of Ocarina of Time speedrunning has relied on the lag that comes with being an old game. Not only does the Switch not have that lag, but at the same time, the input lag (or the difference between pressing a button and having it activate) is apparently longer. They still managed to get an Ape game with Mario Picross (not translated, but still available for English app).
I realize speed runners are people too, but I just want a remastered version of oot that I can share nostalgia with my kids. The dark link stage is unbelievable...
From what I understand Nintendo used "fog" to hide the extremely low texture quality in the Nintendo 64 version of OoT. It was used simply to make the game look better and hide the low draw distance. I still have my Nintendo 64 and Zelda OoT! It's my favorite 64 game besides Mario 64 and I play it all the time still
I dont think you can really use that to justify the thick fog in the House of Skulltula. Plus the fog is in the original version so there is no reason for them to remove it
@@dukedragon28 There are many videos about how Nintendo used fog to hide the poor draw distance in older games and OoT is one example. Why they removed it on the newer version who knows but they definitely used it to hide draw distance and hide poor texture quality
The more I watch the Switch OoT emulation, the more I’m convinced I’d rather just keep playing OoT in my N64 or 3DSXL. I thought this would be good as I’d be able to play it on the go, and due to my joint issues the 3DS digs into my hands in the wrong places so I can only play for a short while on there without being in pain, but honestly I’d rather deal with the physical pain rather than the mental pain from watching this lag so much 😂
So at first I didn't think that things were that bad, maybe it would take some getting used to, but I was cracking up when I saw him try to learn the Bolero of Fire. There is no C-right. That is horrible. Then he brings up the gamecube mapping and it makes so much sense. Why couldn't they just do that? I remember playing Majora's Mask on Wii and WiiU and can't recall having issues with C-right. This is the least playable port of the game yet.
The fog itself looks like it's everywhere and surrounds Link entirely, because the fog distance isn't rendering where it should be which is the far distance, because it's rendering the fog closer to the camera instead it's making everything look weird and brighter than it should be, instead of rendering fog in the distance away from the camera.
They should've just hired people who have successfully emulated the system, if they couldn't do the job right. This is the first video I watched on your channel
well, its something noticable only if you have the normal n64 or one of the best pc emulator that has been worked for 12 years. the wii u had the same problem of input lag.
@@charlestrudel8308 I've played the hell out of the original, got it when it came out. I'm sure I'd notice it if I did a direct comparison but just booting it up and playing it today on switch I had no trouble.
@@Awnos most people that complain online did say that most people wont notice the difference. its just that everyone finds the price so high than anything short of perfection will be hated on.
A little disappointed to see how many people genuinely wanted to see the dude that made the bad tweet get mobbed and roasted, when he inevitably withdrew his opinion. There's nothing cowardly about revoking a statement if you're faced with info that accurately debunks your claim, no matter how stupid the original statement might be. In fact, I'd say it's cowardly to hang on to a misguided post and fight back to save face. Attaching yourself to schadenfreude as a means of retribution or entertainment begets more discord and anger. The propagation of this behavior continues to devolve the potential for amicable resolutions and learning lessons. Bullying into submission is an ill-effective and tenuous way for reformation, especially for something so minor as rejecting input-lag claims. I recognize the underlying problem is much greater than that, but demonizing some random layman over it is harmful. Be kind whenever possible; every little action, however minor it might seem to you, makes a difference. If you're going to fight, go to the source, rather than arbitrarily harping on people with no power to reinforce/change anything.
@@goldster100 Lmao the people in the comments are probably redditards anyways. They try to act like such wholesome people but they're actually shit heads.
Why couldn't they just make it good and do a triple bundle with Wind Waker and Twilight Princess like they did with Mario? Honestly I would buy that even if the ports were shit.
@@themcking5987 Yeeaah, I just feel it would be extra, like paid DLC for the same compilation or a separate thing entirely simply because they made so many improvements for the 3DS version. Yeah, they made some things crap but giant link fighting the twin centi bois was pog and it just doesn't feel the same without it, since MM was rushed to launch in the first place and all, it had a lot of missing intended content.
I get that things are really bad especially for doing speed run glitches and stuff that sucks. The bad emulation even for someone playing the game to just enjoy the game for what it is is still not good and they're charging so much for it That's the real problem here. Not that these types of tricks don't work.
Though I understand that from a performance standpoint its bad I'm still having fun playing the game its nostalgic for me I just never really got into emulating games
@@flourcititech7410 So that justifies the lack of fog, input lag, and awful button mapping? The crashes are not the only thing wrong with this version.
Imagine Nintendo hiring ZFG to test their emulated OOT before they release it to the public. Imagine the amount of bugs and quality issues they could have caught this way.
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Don't worry, the Switch 2 version of OoT that comes out in 6-7 years is sure to have even more problems somehow.
Would be funny if, when decomp finishes, someone makes a port that includes all the worst aspects of each version. Things like 1.0 graves, N64 load times, English text, PAL framerate, nonsensical button mappings, the most oversensitive analog controls yet.
Yeah, and we'll be back to VC style releases where you have to purchase the games individually again, and then the Switch 3 will throw that all out the window again!
A button not mapped.
And at 80 Dollars this time around
In the next version, the input lag will be gone and there will be fast loading, but it will be impossible to HESS
The amount of disrespect that nintendo shows to its own classics, especially ones with so much historical significance to gaming in general. It's sad to see.
The funniest thing about all this is that fan emulators did it better than Nintendo
>The amount of disrespect that nintendo shows to its own customers
ftfy
I mean, for speedrun stuff, it's not really ideal if that's fine or not. It's more so a letdown the core game is this beaten up.
They literally remade the game better on 3DS. Play that one.
@@eyeconqueror1185 For bigger hands, however (XL included), it still feels a bit cramped.
How did they go through all the design, take time out of their day to rearrange memory, edit a few things, look at the fog, input lag, and button mapping, and go "yep looks good to me"
Because they're Nintendo. And Nintendo has gone downhill fast. It's sad cause I did like them before but they can't do anything right anymore..
I guarantee you that the only controller without input lag will be the n64 switch controller, conveniently with proper button mapping too! Buy now, love nintendo!
Apparently, with the N64 controller, the button mapping is made better. But that’s locked behind a $50+ paywall.
Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if they modified the game for the Wii U version, then took the same modified version and put it on the Switch. Would even go far as to say that the emulator is emulating the emulator which is emulating the game
Switch emulator -> Wii U emulator -> N64 game.
All just speculation of course
@@OoLunar probably correct.
I just think it’s sad that Nintendo can’t emulate their own hardware as well as third party coders. And then they sell it half baked.
this is what happens if people just throw money at all the shit they release, regardless of quality.
I mean the VC emulator wasn't bad. Control stick sensitivity not quite accurate and the fairies in MM being the wrong colour.
Otherwise those emulators were great. Somehow Nintendo managed to make worse and worse emulators over time.
@@simpson6700 I mean, to know what the product is like you kinda do have to pay initially, on top of all if it's something that you're really excited about and don't wanna wait for a review, but I imagine that most people will not continue with the subscription after this
@@starlight8115 that's exactly the problem, people have so little self control that they can't wait a day for reviews or public opinion on social media to pop up. maybe they even are so ignorant that they have no idea how much their impulsiveness hurts the gaming industry.
They used to. Wii was solid and Wii U, minus the dark filter, was very good.
Me: "Hey, listen! It's been twenty years, can we can Ocarina a full remaster/remake for modern hardware?"
Nintendo: "How about a worse version of Ocarina?"
Nintendo: H hh e ey y li ii s st e en
This is truly a horrifying Halloween Zelda playthrough!
I thought Majora's Mask would be the Halloween goto, but this is far more frightening.
Just wait until that game drops with all of its more glaring emulator issues being one of the N64 games that required the expansion pack.
The cat in your profile pic matches the tone of your comment. 😂
@@EmeraldoTheDragon You are right XD
I don't even want to know what majora's mask looks like in their emulation
Tfw the original N64 controller is better than this game's entire control scheme.
Well, I suppose it's a good thing Ninty is putting an N64 controller out for N64 Online then
@Ik Except the stick, that thing wears out fast
@@cowboycurtis4944 *(cough)* scalpers *(cough)*
@@johnjohnson6142 I never had a stick wear out. Did you use off-brand?
@@sigurdtheblue I did, but only after 10 years of use and another 6 in storage
This is why we emulate shit... If Nintendo can't even fix their own game, we have to do it
Fine, I'll do it myself
Nintendo should have remade oot. Plain and simple. The nso was better for nintendo because they can get games sooner to people and then fix them. Instead of rebuilding the game from the ground up and then selling them to us. Nintendo had 8 years to get the ball rolling and they fumbled the ball. Now its the 4th qrt and nintendo is down by 23 points. And nintendo just made a field goal.
@@Bee_Mavrick ekhm they did on 3ds 😅
@@marcinmichalak155 that dont mean nothing. I skipped a whole 3 gens. The ds the 2 ds and the 3ds. Do better then already used sounds bites.
@@Bee_Mavrick erhm n3ds had much improvements.Better character models and much better controls. Don't expect nintendo to do ramake every gen. You skipped it ok but that's not Nintendo business ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My concern with all this is that there might be a logic trap in the future bizness logic o' Nintendo. Either: they don't meet whatever their profit estimate thing for this is and conclude "oh, people don't want the old games as much as we thought, let's not worry about improving the emulation." Or: they do meet the profit estimate and thus conclude everything is "good enough" and thus decide not to improve anything.
I genuinely don't know a guaranteed way to get Nintendo out of this logic trap if they fall into it.
This is one of the best written comments on this video.
You can't win with corporations. Especially with Nintendo, who has a reputation for spitting in their fans' faces every chance they get.
Both ways to make money without caring for the product lol
I know the perfect response to this trap. if everyone had rushed to by the expansion pass showing an overwhelming amount in the sales, then have barely anyone, if anyone at all, cancel their subscriptions shortly after. that shows the service was what people wanted, then shows it's not how we wanted it.
Man remember when one of the devs was having nightmares that OoT would become unplayable due to nasty bugs and oversights?
Sure has turned into a dream now. it's full of bullshit.
That one dev was, iirc, Miyamoto himself. If he wasn't an entirely different person these days I'm sure he'd fear sleeping for the sheer horror of his nightmares.
@@mythosinfinite6736 I thought it was a dream of Dekus and majoras mask?
I was able to beat the game in 6 hours. Completely playable. A little clunky. The poor graphics in some cut scenes didn't really bother my gameplay. Shooting gallery was my biggest issue.
Zfg is secretly a masochist for this version of the game.
>finds human viable guay hover and implements it in max% child
>secretly a masochist
I dunno man, doesn't seem like that big of a secret to me.
OOT for Nintendo Switch: No fogs given.
BADUM TSS
Lets take a second to recognize the fact that this emulator is so bad that it causes zfg to get in a fight on twitter over it
imagine wanting a port of an old game to hold to standards of when it released 20+ years ago.... imagine expecting improvements to have been made... since they are charging money for it - ON A SUBSCRIPTION
Pfft, right? It’s insane!
speedrunners are the biggest crybaby losers
But it doesnt even hold the standards of 20+ years ago. Free emulation have made more inprovements . Thats why people are mad. We don't imagine it , we play it freely on pc.
@@ZelosSama but with how copyright laws regarding digital product IP is set, you're doing it illegally. Would you advocate for the hiring of a nascar driver because they stole a car and drove it really well? No, you'd charge them with stealing your Nascar car....
@@chainclaw07 oh wow, you actually weren’t being sarcastic, damn
it's a shame that a lot of people who haven't played OoT before will see the game for the first time looking like this
If you've never played oot you're probably not experiencing these glitches
They ruined the fog, everything looks weird man
The damn controls ughhh
@@YouAreFilledWithDetermination The game looks weird to you because you know what it originally looked like. To a new player, other than the N64ness of the graphics it won't look particularly weird. The input lag on the controls is pretty horrifying (like it was on Wii U as well), but most people are surprisingly tolerant of even this much input lag.
This version of the game is honestly fine for new players, it's way worse for people who know the game who know it shouldn't be like this.
@@Cream147player I agree. I’ve never played it and was really excited about this and so far it hasn’t been awful. It’s not outstanding but it’s pretty enjoyable so far, but I’m not very far either
Yall are so dramatic 💀 the game is the exact same they just got rid of the fog. Just play the game like a normal person without trying to break the game with glitches and you shouldn't have any issues. My only complaint is there is no option to invert the aiming axis
What bothers me the most about this is knowing that we’re definitely not getting a prime trilogy after this catastrophe
Honestly as a big fan of the prime games, it'll be better to just not get the prime trilogy than to have it turn out like this...
@@lucasparadox6823 agreed. Guess i’ll be downloading dolphin after all
At least we have the m&k hack, its far better than anything Nintendo would ever give us
PrimeTrilogy would be ported, not emulated
So it would run as well as SkywardSword
@Walther Penne noone said that... The person that said that hasnt worked at Retro for over 10 years
And yes, you can match JoyCons to Wii inputs, as shown in SSHD, the game that most prominenly used Wii motion sensor, and hell, on an emulator you can emulate the wii pointer to the rigth stick
The Prime games can also be ported from Gamecube, and ad gyro controlls and a new controll scheme if they have issiues with the motion controls
When Nintendo makes something, is either awesome and epic, or it's a half-assed piece of steaming poo. There is no middle ground.
Kinda funny that Nintendo tries to crack down on piracy, yet when they release their classic games they look and run like shit. And they wonder why people emulate?
The funniest thing about all this is that fan emulators did it better than Nintendo
@@dudinha0000 you mean..
Emulators does what nintendon't ?
The looks are fine to me, it's almost the old N64 look. I'm not asking for any more than that.
How it runs is another story.
The 3DS versions of OOT and Majora's Mask run just fine but there's no excusing this. They should have kept the fog or at least player test it beforehand imo.
@@omega4157
Exactly LUL
@@dudinha0000 'fan emulators' How would you even emulate a cooling fan?
It would be cool if Nintendo would let you play the game at the original resolution.
I've never really liked the look of N64 in High Quality.
(But let's be honest, if they can't even give us Link's correct gauntlet colors for $80, I doubt they'd do anything cool like that.)
Original resolution is 240p. The higher resolution screen u have the smaller the image would be. Filling that big screen would not be so pleasing :c
@@rob25222
I know.
I wish there was an option to play with the visuals at their native resolution integer scaled to my screen, even if it's blurry.
The N64 has hardware Anti-Aliasing and in my opinion, games don't look right without it.
@@WalrusStu my brother actually got this N64 upscaler box from best buy and uhhh I prefer what Nintendo gives us. Upscale by alot, no good. Downscaling is always fine but that's not what we want ha.
@@rob25222 thats just what happens when you get cheap upscalers
@@neetlukako I will agree. There should be different options idk about. But still even the screen resolution most people have is 1080. Ur expanding it way too much as it is. Messes around too much with it
Man, people here defending the input lag because they “didn’t notice it” OoT is one of my all time favorite games, and the WiiU and Switch emus are the only ones that have /that/ much input lag.
Also, Nintendo didn’t remake the game, they built a trash emulator that runs a (roughly) 15-year-old version of the rom that is the game, it renders the fog incorrectly, has weird button mapping, stick sensitivity issues, and probably the worst of all, the input lag.
But it’s obvious most of the people here don’t know what they’re talking about, or how roms/emulation works.
You can NOT miss all these issues. Either the playtesters never played the original, or they didn't playtest this thing.
.2 second input lag would have gotten this game canned in its original release but every 17 year old and their 35 year old dad have just GOT to defend Nintendo from the big meanies expecting them to put out passing-grade emulation.
those defenses would be weak as hell even _if_ it was impossible to find higher quality ROMs running on functional emulators, which it *isn't.*
Nintendo is so weird about emulation with their classic games - they decry it as piracy while failing to provide quality alternatives.
@@squeegeemcgee ...Higher quality roms isn't the issue. Indeed, the raw roms themselves are the highest quality possible, direct and unaltered. They applied a patch to a single game, which doesn't even affect anything but a single symbol in the game, a very minor texture edit. Nintendo has indeed used this exact same patch for GC, Wii, and Wii U. All it does is change the original Gerudo Moon symbol (which was very similar to an Islamic symbol) into the Gerudo symbol used in every game since.
No, the issue is the emulator is SCUFFED AS HELL. All of the bugs, messed up graphics, and input lag are a result of a poor quality emulator.
Yeah I honestly have no idea how people can defend this, like I bet I could homebrew my switch, put a third party emulator on there and it would run Ocarina of Time better than this XD
Good thing I still have Ocarina of time 3D for the 3ds
I was hyped for this to come out, but I ended up dusting off my GameCube copy and starting a game on that instead.
Same. I have my whole 3ds and ds library
Imagine not having a fully functioning n64 with version 1.0 OoT and rumble n64 with expansion pack on an old TV so it looks good.
@@No-uc1xs
1.1 bros... not like this.
8:36 “It’s sad you guys shit talk everything”
… while ZFG actively demonstrates, explains, and is helping the community understand the problems with this Emulation perfectly shows how the state of gaming has become more about toxic positivity than quality assurance.
Nothing has to be good or even fully functional anymore- it just needs to be familiar.
Glitching and breaking the game on purpose doesn't count as part of the "quality assurance". For casual play it's one of the best emulations.
@@oscargasparguitarra my whole god damn point is that he’s showing how the game doesn’t plays functionally (which doesn’t only mean “can you beat it casually”) and you’re still here like “yeah it’s fine”
@@BradsGonnaPlay well yeah, it's not marketed as a speedrunner emulation experience or something like that. It's an option to play old games on the Switch and have fun. And for that, it's fine.
@@oscargasparguitarra This is literally the worst version of the game by a mile, even for casual play. It's ugly to look at (even by N64 standards) and the controls are unresponsive. None of this is about the speedrunner experience. Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
@@xSilentZeroXxC'mon dude, you're better than that, I believe in you.
TH-camrs and reviewers are complaining because they know controversy gets them views, and people on the internet are just following a trend, complaining for the sake of complaining and repeating the same bad arguments, it's f*ing stupid, think for yourself!
I played the original N64, the GC port, the WiiU virtual console version, the 3ds and even emulation on PC, and let me tell you, the Switch one is not the worst. Just watch an analyisis or comparison video.
Project64 is a beast compared to Nintendo’s own emulator, the problem is that Nintendo’s own emulator has several old graphical bugs that have already been fixed on the Project64 emulator a long time ago
Just started on pj64 and love it
"You're not the judge of what people get to care about" I think that statement best exemplifies the issue. The average gamer only cares about being able to just launch the game and take the nostalgia trip. They don't really care if it's inferior on a technical level. That's fine and all, but casuals have the problem where they despise anyone who dares to care about something that they don't. If someone doesn't care about the technical problems, and still enjoy the game, cool; however I do, and I'm in my right to hold such a massive company to higher standards. People will simp for mediocrity, and it's depressing.
It's fine to simp, it's Nintendo. /s
@@CMSonYT "We must bow down, brothers and sisters, to the great and almighty Nintendo, for they were gracious enough to at least let us have the game!" - Page 1 of the Nintendo Simp Mantra
not meaning to be "that guy", but I think you misplaced the word casuals in place of the word elitists lol.
@@adirblazkowics7717 i think you must not understand their point then
@@adirblazkowics7717 no, they're right
At first I was in the "everyone is complaining too much" camp but the further I got in the more I realized that this was absolute hell. I can't even aim.
well aiming isnt the worst thing...
using the c right is especially as child.... damn zeldas lullaby
I bought the original the day it came out on the 64 when I was 13...this hurt my heart to see the lack of love put into it. This was a huge part of my childhood. Covid must be way worse over there
The delusional part of my brain hopes that Majora's Mask will be in a better state, I have been waiting 20 years or so to play that game again.
And I waited to play the original since forever. I ain't play the downgraded 3d version
@@Cless Just use the Project Restoration mod, it makes the game feel like the original
Worst case scenario emulation is your friend
@@kurodoodle4876 sadly my PC and laptop are both from the stone age. I might try it when I can upgrade my One X to a Series console.
@@Shadowdark1994 Any fairly modern phone should be able to easily run N64 emulation. Use Bluetooth to hook up a controller and you can play it very well
I tried on my Switch and apparently C right is ZR plus A. It’s how you play the other ocarina notes too. It’s horrible button mapping considering they could have literally ripped the mapping from OOT3D for the OOT64 Switch port to make it so much easier
EDIT: Got my buttons mixed up. I said Y instead of A, since A is the rightmost letter button
Add onto the fact that select N64 games have different button placement, it's all the more baffling that they didn't do the same for OoT.
Or even better, _rEmApPiNg OuR oWn BuTtOnS._
@@Medachod nintendo honestly seems to just love making Zelda fans absolutely miserable, but we keep up comin back because they _occasionally_ put out absolute bangers of a game
key word occasionally
it’s literally usually trash and i shouldn’t expect anything less from nintendo (who appear to have some weird inside joke in their office “ok how can we make ocarina even worse with every port and remake we do of it”), but of course as a zelda fan i literally come crawling back for the _occasional_ great games they bring out
@@gannon_banned ill say it, i think skyward sword was the last actually good zelda they made
also i really really wish they would make a new game though with the twilight princess art style
@@GGG_gaming Are you referring to the original before BotW or the HD version that came out not too long ago before the NSO expansion? I dont have a switch so can't evaluate but even with the minimal changes I'd still argue more effort went into porting Skyward Sword to switch than with OoT and the other N64 titles (though particularly OoT).
@@andyg2401 the original of course, to me BOTW is not a real zelda game
no proper dungeons, 3 bosses (4 with dlc yes im counting all blits as one boss and maybe lynols)
but theres been warriors of hyrul, and what 2 remakes? since skyward sword i think and SWS was 2011
Wii U virtual console:
-Pay a one-time, non-extortionate sum of money
-Own the game forever
-Game works
Nintendo Switch Online:
Steam deck n64 emu is gunna run so smooth compared to this, not to mention you will be able to remap controls to anything and manage deadzones
Resell sites (eBay, FB marketplace, craigslist, etc.) are gonna be pissing steamdecks out of the walls a couple months tops after release. Why would PC gamers give a shit about a scrunched down laptop with a tiny screen? I'm pretty sure the deck is smaller than the average PC gamer's GPU.
The steamdeck would be right at home in a world where people don't jerk off to pixel count over game quality. Or even a world where pixel count isn't at all associated to game quality.
You can do this already in 1000's of devices, no need to wait for something that is unreleased.
Bruh thats awfully hostile. I'm just excited to play a better game selection than switch when I'm travelling without lugging around a laptop everywhere
@@MajorasWrath1 i dunno what youve been looking at but ive seen alot of PC players liking the idea of steamdeck
most people that ive seen not liking it are just the extremists that dont like things that are different than what theyre currently using
@@MajorasWrath1 tf is this take
It's a more powerful switch, that doubles up as a PC, is a handheld and has (naturally) 1000s upon 1000s of games.
The game quality is literally there AS WELL AS pixel count because it literally houses every game ever released since it's a PC. Are you okay?
PC gamers actually like the switch. The non-pretentious ones generally and what does the steam deck being smaller than a GPU have to do with literally anything?
as a kid, i loved video games.
as a adult i love video game corruptions.
Omg I was wondering if he was pressing C right and that's why equip swap wasn't working
why is no one bringing up how they changed links iconic blue outfit to freaking GREEN?!? like what were they thinking!!!
This better be a joke, or you're crazy
@@phantomskye think hes talking about botw link and his champion tunic haha
Yeah that bugged me alot too. Why are they changing the whole look of him to a feminine looking guy with a blue dress. The iconic green tunic will always be Link.
@@Valstrax420 Link has always been feminine though. Some might have more masculine features than others but he’s always been created to look slightly androgynous.
EDIT: I’ve realized that comment might be sarcasm or alluding to something else and I’m sorry if that’s the case lmfao. It’s hard for me to decipher sarcasm and such through text
@@gannon_banned it's sarcasm
ZFG I love your content, never change my man
Why would he change your man?
Wow, twitch chat is the worst. "Continue shaming that guy who admitted he was wrong for being wrong once". I'm kinda sad now
Yeah Twitch can turn into complete cunts in the flip of a dime.
@@Neogears1312 The worst part is how they all think the funniest thing you can do is to be contrarian in the most predictable way possible. Tell them not to do or say something and that's the most surefire way to get spammed with 20 assholes doing exactly that. I think a lot of major streamers know that tendency and know how to use it for comedic value with, idk I guess you'd call it reverse psychology? but still. it can kinda get sickening
Imagine if every game on switch gets a stop&swap category that makes OoT required to learn and get records on like breath of the wild with OoT Ace.
I wonder if Song of the Storms plus Fire/Ice/Light arrows still crashes the game in the PAL version? And if it finally crashes the NTSC version?
That along with other versions of the "multiple magic related things at once" no longer crash.
@@ZFG Oh wow, I can't say I expected that! This emulator is doing some funny business
If you bonk in the back alley at night as child link, you'll see a green square in the screen shake
Happens during the day too (for me at least)
OoT is considered by many to be the most iconic Legend of Zelda game, and one of the most iconic games of all time. And Nintendo does this to it. Ffs just pirate it for gamecube, don't give nintendo money
I'm extremely glad I bought a gamecube a few years ago so I could play these classics in their pure form
Pure form would be an N64..I wish I still had mine, gamecube that is
@@gutshanayamagetwrecked4414 I have three n64s but gotta admit the prices are getting high
Kinda same. Don't have a GC but a wii.
@@xupr4301 wow! Then keep ahold of them. Worth so much. OG 64s are a very pretty penny. Assuming you wish to sell them, or just 2. I wouldn't myself
@@gutshanayamagetwrecked4414 Idk I think the master quest re release on gamecube has to be the best version of the game
Regarding the new Gerudo symbols: The GC version actually has them replacing the old ones in the ROM (which can be confirmed by dumping the game and opening the ROM in the emulator of your choice), while Wii VC uses an unmodified 1.2 ROM and replaces the symbols at runtime. I do not know for sure whether Wii or Wii U VC replaces the symbols in Dampé's grave (and can't readily check), but GC did not.
Haven't watched your videos in many months but you sound happier. Nice to hear
The 3DS version got criticized and rightfully so for making the Ganon battle too bright and as a result less moody and epic. It doesn't look like this version will fare much better in that regard.
I played Ocarina of time 3D only im curious tho how cool did the ganon fight look in the original
@@Binkus_. check out some let's plays, the dark lighting in the original versions really set the mood for the fight
At least they put effort in oot 3d, and everything else is a clear improvement
@@TheGalaxyWings very true, even kept a bunch of glitches fans liked
So glad I played OoT3D first, honestly.
That feeling when nintendo's console from 2006 can run OOT better then their current hardware.
Bro the gamecube played it better when they released the master quest version LMFAO
I know how you guys feel. Used to play Halo multi-player all the time, with Halo 2 being my favorite. MCC drops in 2014, turns out they ported the Windows Vista version of Halo 2 instead of the original Xbox version. The Windows Vista port was already hot garbage, and of course it only got worse after being ported again.
at least 343 is taking bug notes and the time to improve it
nintendos like "fuck you give me if you want to keep playing"
and to think nintendo used to be at the top of my list
now they are right beside ps
So you're telling me, on the joycons, the four left buttons map to the D-pad - which does _literally nothing_ - but they couldn't map all the C buttons!?
Thanks for these videos, saved me from wasting my money.
AGREED. I just purchased Skyrim for the PS5 (13$) and Kakarot PS4 (11$) instead. That’ll keep me busy for a few months since i platinum games.
It makes me feel great that he has played this game so much but will still get roasted by Dampe
As weird and unconventional as this port is, I'm kinda excited to see how deep the rabbithole goes.
Content machine :)
*Presses the right analog stick to the left*
Ocarina: ⬆️⬇️⬅️⬅️⬆️↘️↘️
That "hey listen" was beautiful
They even messed up the music... You can hear it almost do a Doppler effect at certain points...
when?
@@b.clarenc9517 It seems like it is not very common. But at 4:16 you can hear it. 6:34 you can hear it twice but very quick. 6:54 but im not sure if thats just glitch related.
@@DQBlizzard168 I hear unintended tremolos, is that what you call Doppler effects?
The Symbols actually being changed in Dampé's Grave is Actually Very Nice. for me at least, since i prefer this one over the crescent moon. one.
All cresents are replaced.
Damn this guy put more effort into his video than Nintendo did with their online
The only version of Ocarina of time I played was the 3ds remake so I don’t really have solid ground to stand on. So I went out and played the original, and the way I realized that it looked so much foggier added this sense of mysticism, not to mention it didn’t lag all that much on my input but it still did cuz the controller was busted. Got a new one and it worked much better. Sad to see how half made this is
im a little blown away they didnt use the 3ds version
Glad that I didn't pay the money for the upgrade of the online membership, I'll stick with the basic one as pretty much I only use it for online play from time to time (but mostly Smash with my bros.), plus... I have hooked my good old consoles for a better EXP. overall, and while I'm not a speedrunner or anything like that, a bad emulation really gets on my nerves while playing the games.
If they notice too many people stick to the old subscription , you bet they will make the new sub mandatory , instead of making the sensible decision of making the new sub more appealing.
@@ZelosSama Honeslty, it wouldn't be a suprise, giving how Nintendo does a bogus job in that part, if that happens, the family membership would end up being my only option with the help of my bro and maybe one of my cousins or aunts.
RetroArch will suit your needs just fine. Amazing controller support too and very useful with Parsec.
New speedrun category: 2 C-Buttons.
I can brag myself to be one of the first zfg followers, although most of the time as a humble stalker. I consistently watch his streams since he was around with some friends on justintv doing any% Oot and MM back at 2011, I think. And I never ever laughed so hard with his videos as with this one. His voice tone at 2:19 is priceless, LMAO.
Watched this live and it's funny to see how badly this was done.
That being said I wouldn't expect them to fix glitches like stick as adult since it still is technically not intended to be a thing. It really does suck that a port can't just be the same as the original but obviously I don't know what sort of work goes into these ports either.
It's emulation, not a port
@@aspieweeb4526 regardless of my incorrect term I still don't think they fix something like that since it's not intended anyways.
Its beyond just that, the emulator they're using seems to be horribly inaccurate and has input lag that even casual players find uncomfortably high. On top of the many other issues with controls etc.
Its clear that almost no work went into this.
@Burnsyruins been playing since it launched with a pro controller haven't had any input lag lol
@@gamerelated8985 th-cam.com/video/b3tbcUszA2s/w-d-xo.html
Wrong. You have experienced roughly DOUBLE the input lag that you would have playing on the n64, even when playing on an ideal screen this is the case. I dont care if you can't feel it, it's there and others who suck less can easily feel the difference
If you don't believe me I suggest you give this other video a watch, it was created for the NSO controversy specifically and is made using all of the correct equipment (high speed cameras and a special device that connects to the monitor to get a baseline added input lag). He's comparing Mario instead of Zelda but the input lag findings are the same between games
looks like a solid $50 spent on a 20+ year old game they didn’t even bother to improve and just made worse 😂
At 2:11 just as it crashes I get an ad for switch! 🤣🤣🤣
WHY DID IT TAKE ME TWO MONTHS TO REALIZE THE N64 WAS AVAILABLE ON THE SWITCH
This is honestly just starting to piss me off now. Did Nintendo just stop giving a shit? It's not wonder they have to treat every year like they might go bankrupt. At some point people are gonna stop giving them money.
Nintendo are making record profits :/
Never underestimate Nintendo's fanboys. Never underestimate them...
Maybe they'll get it right in one of the next 17 rereleases on future consoles
For the longest I been scratching my head yelling at my phone like wtf is OoT? Lol
I read the title and I’m not surprised
I presume stave states would be banned for use for speed running even though it is an unmodded feature on the switch?
Not sure. Tricks seem too inconsistent without it, but maybe it would be possible to play without save states with enough practice. A lot of Ocarina of Time speedrunning has relied on the lag that comes with being an old game. Not only does the Switch not have that lag, but at the same time, the input lag (or the difference between pressing a button and having it activate) is apparently longer. They still managed to get an Ape game with Mario Picross (not translated, but still available for English app).
It's an unmodded feature on wii u vc too. It's banned there, so why would it change?
Why can't they release this with updated textures like they did for Mario 64 recently?
Because then people would only be paying $50 ONCE, Not once a year :D
I realize speed runners are people too, but I just want a remastered version of oot that I can share nostalgia with my kids. The dark link stage is unbelievable...
From what I understand Nintendo used "fog" to hide the extremely low texture quality in the Nintendo 64 version of OoT. It was used simply to make the game look better and hide the low draw distance. I still have my Nintendo 64 and Zelda OoT! It's my favorite 64 game besides Mario 64 and I play it all the time still
I dont think you can really use that to justify the thick fog in the House of Skulltula. Plus the fog is in the original version so there is no reason for them to remove it
@@dukedragon28 There are many videos about how Nintendo used fog to hide the poor draw distance in older games and OoT is one example. Why they removed it on the newer version who knows but they definitely used it to hide draw distance and hide poor texture quality
The more I watch the Switch OoT emulation, the more I’m convinced I’d rather just keep playing OoT in my N64 or 3DSXL. I thought this would be good as I’d be able to play it on the go, and due to my joint issues the 3DS digs into my hands in the wrong places so I can only play for a short while on there without being in pain, but honestly I’d rather deal with the physical pain rather than the mental pain from watching this lag so much 😂
Alternatively, Wii U homebrew version that removes the dark filter (still HD like the Switch version) or RetroArch.
I’d rather have my hands fall off than play this dumpster fire of a port
If an official version of OoT has save states then they can be used in speed runs right?
They had a vote on this and save states are not allowed.
I'm about to take on the spirit temple and man has it not been a pleasant experience
Chat: zfg no!
Me: ZFG YES! ZFG ALWAYS YES!
I can't believe they released this
Stick as adult turns audio into Michael Bay transformers sounds
the lack of fog makes me so angry! what are they doing!
@Walther Penne Understand that, but Oot lol, i Doubt that with full fog the swich would lag. tbh
So at first I didn't think that things were that bad, maybe it would take some getting used to, but I was cracking up when I saw him try to learn the Bolero of Fire. There is no C-right. That is horrible. Then he brings up the gamecube mapping and it makes so much sense. Why couldn't they just do that? I remember playing Majora's Mask on Wii and WiiU and can't recall having issues with C-right. This is the least playable port of the game yet.
legit why the fuck is c-right not bound they could've just copy pasted GC controls lmao
I mean you can hold down zr and the abxy buttons become c buttons
@@brooke3788 i mean thats not bad as an option but why the hell isnt controller configuration an option? Is nintendo trying to advertise the wii U?
The fog itself looks like it's everywhere and surrounds Link entirely, because the fog distance isn't rendering where it should be which is the far distance, because it's rendering the fog closer to the camera instead it's making everything look weird and brighter than it should be, instead of rendering fog in the distance away from the camera.
They should've just hired people who have successfully emulated the system, if they couldn't do the job right. This is the first video I watched on your channel
I'm just not feeling the input delay at all, is it because I'm not a speedrunner? It seems fine to me.
well, its something noticable only if you have the normal n64 or one of the best pc emulator that has been worked for 12 years. the wii u had the same problem of input lag.
@@charlestrudel8308 I've played the hell out of the original, got it when it came out. I'm sure I'd notice it if I did a direct comparison but just booting it up and playing it today on switch I had no trouble.
@@Awnos most people that complain online did say that most people wont notice the difference. its just that everyone finds the price so high than anything short of perfection will be hated on.
I think the lag is not universal and can depend on your controller.
A little disappointed to see how many people genuinely wanted to see the dude that made the bad tweet get mobbed and roasted, when he inevitably withdrew his opinion. There's nothing cowardly about revoking a statement if you're faced with info that accurately debunks your claim, no matter how stupid the original statement might be. In fact, I'd say it's cowardly to hang on to a misguided post and fight back to save face.
Attaching yourself to schadenfreude as a means of retribution or entertainment begets more discord and anger. The propagation of this behavior continues to devolve the potential for amicable resolutions and learning lessons. Bullying into submission is an ill-effective and tenuous way for reformation, especially for something so minor as rejecting input-lag claims. I recognize the underlying problem is much greater than that, but demonizing some random layman over it is harmful.
Be kind whenever possible; every little action, however minor it might seem to you, makes a difference. If you're going to fight, go to the source, rather than arbitrarily harping on people with no power to reinforce/change anything.
This comment sounds like me trying to sound smart for college essays
I mean.... he wasn't even wrong to begin with. The input lag is the same as virtual console.
Twitch chat always tries too hard
@@goldster100 Lmao the people in the comments are probably redditards anyways. They try to act like such wholesome people but they're actually shit heads.
1:30 Push it to the limit! (cha cha) Limiiiiit!
Nintendo already addressed this, the bugs and graphical issues was because something happened to the emulation code when porting it to switch
Why couldn't they just make it good and do a triple bundle with Wind Waker and Twilight Princess like they did with Mario?
Honestly I would buy that even if the ports were shit.
You just skipping over Majoras Mask?
@@themcking5987 Yeeaah, I just feel it would be extra, like paid DLC for the same compilation or a separate thing entirely simply because they made so many improvements for the 3DS version. Yeah, they made some things crap but giant link fighting the twin centi bois was pog and it just doesn't feel the same without it, since MM was rushed to launch in the first place and all, it had a lot of missing intended content.
@@KatastrophicNoodle Majoras Mask 3D is awful
If you would buy it even when it's shit ports you're part of why they don't make them good
@@neetlukako uhuh, don't read at all what I said.
The usefull thing to do would be to start asking for money back... we had enough on the complain phase for something that is optional in first place.
Most people aren't paying $50 a year for only OOT and if you are... why? $50 is for the whole subscription service
Dude I thought the screen froze and was still playing the sound I went back and everything lol
Imagine being a billion dollar game company and a few free emulators run your own classic games better than you.
Gotta suck bad when the 500th time you've played a game on the 6th console it's been available on doesn't work perfectly.
Probably more like 5,000th time.
@@sigurdtheblue Even more likely the 50,000 time
I get that things are really bad especially for doing speed run glitches and stuff that sucks. The bad emulation even for someone playing the game to just enjoy the game for what it is is still not good and they're charging so much for it That's the real problem here. Not that these types of tricks don't work.
He knows that; notice how he said that it's the worst combo, horrible to play because of input lag and bad controls but actually faster in some ways.
I like it, this my first time playing ocarina of time
I'm glad I got the 3ds version
Though I understand that from a performance standpoint its bad I'm still having fun playing the game its nostalgic for me I just never really got into emulating games
I don’t mean to insult you, but this kind of mentality is exactly what Nintendo is hoping to profit off of with this scheme
@@anonymousperson1706 yeah I get it Nintendo is pretty lazy with bringing old games back
I cannot for the life of me understand why people defend this. As if Nintendo just couldn't do a better job.
doing things you arent meant to do then complaining that shit is going south is weird.
@@flourcititech7410 So that justifies the lack of fog, input lag, and awful button mapping? The crashes are not the only thing wrong with this version.
I really hope a Remaster of OOT 3D comes out, cause I ain't touchin this with a deku stick
what a great version of the BEST RANKED VIDEO GAME OF ALL TIME.
Wow, Nintendo was so lazy. They couldn’t even be bothered to translate the game! /s
It’s sad when the N64 emulator from the George W Bush presidency is more stable than a N64 emulator from 2021.
Imagine Nintendo hiring ZFG to test their emulated OOT before they release it to the public. Imagine the amount of bugs and quality issues they could have caught this way.