Cuando tú me besas Me siento en el aire Por eso cuando te veo Comienzo a besarte Y si te despegas Yo me despierto De ese rico sueño Que me dan tus besos Suavemente Bésame, que yo quiero sentir tus labios Besándome otra vez Suavemente, ¡ese coro! (Bésame) Es la cosa (Que yo quiero sentir tus labios) Bésandome otra vez Bésame suavecito Sin prisa y con calma Dame un beso bien profundo, que me llegue al alma Dame un beso más, que en mi boca cabe Dame un beso despacito, dame un beso suave
This port, right here, is why community emulation is so important. How does anyone expect to appreciate these games as a newer generation if this is what they get as their first experience?
The GameCube version was my first OoT experience, but that was a very long time ago now (Christmas of 2003) It's crazy to think that the emulation experience on the Collectors Edition or Master Quest disk is far better than the one on Nintendo Switch Online, ESPECIALLY after 18 years from the GC release. A new Zelda fan deserves more than that mess.
Tbh i don't really care about the non reflection of the water and stuff like that because I haven't played this game since I was like 5 and now im 13 so its been a min considering I play fps games I didn't really care as long as I was able to play this game again
@@DrWillz1996 Sameeee 2011 days I used to play the collectors edition oot and mm all the time as a kid it was perfect Ive emulated damn near everything for the past 5 years, rereleases suck
If only Nintendo realized that there were a significant number of people who were going to upgrade to the N64 expansion pack JUST for Ocarina of time and later Majoras mask, and now that those people have seen the lack of care taken in emulating Ocarina of time in particular they will not be upgrading
I think Nintendo is aware of that and that people will criticize, but if they keep paying for that stuff it doesn't matter how much they complain. I honestly doubt that many didn't upgrade because of these videos and that it's core audience upgraded before any of these videos came out or regardless of them. Personally, even with a better emulator I wouldn't have upgraded for those games.
@@rodrigocaceres2879 that makes sense, I just don’t have a 3DS or WiiU, and my Wii doesn’t work anymore, and of course I never had an N64 nor a GameCube, so I was really looking forward to being able to play OoT for the first time in a decade since playing it on the Wii VC, but I don’t want to play this buggy mess
@Juanfran Hawks: you have to be aware the people that work on OOT are either old enough to Retired, if not they might have move on to other Jobs no one will work forever as a video game designer, so the reason for the mistake was because of the new workers, and also you don't know maybe it was working find when they test it, and the problem started when other people, are playing it, maybe the plug in broke when it got download, they will fix it, and just have to wait for the new patch
@@SuperNickid It's on a Wii U emulator. They won't fix it. A newer generation working on something with that kind of impact on the gaming community is no excuse for the poor state that they released a $50 rental emulation.
@@shootingstar.3789 Nintendo switch online expension pack is not on WiiU, if you refereing, he did say WiiU by mistake once and he meant to say Nintendo switch, and the WiiU version their is no need to fix it because it works found with no issue, except of course without the HD patch the WiiU version, and when I say HD patch, I'm not refereing to HD graphic patch.
10:52 Now that certainly deserves the title "a magical journey" So there is another thing on the very short list of things Switch OOT is good at, much more stable with "weird-X" animations.
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The Dark Link Room is Probably The Wrost defect of This Version, which ruins the atmosphere of the fight sadly. I Hope They fix it eventually in the near future.
Totally agree. Link losing his reflection once touching the island, which becomes Dark Link, is one of the things that sticks out in my memory the most from my first playthrough.
Depending on what version of the game you played, you may not remember because it wasn't there. Later versions removed this along with lots of blood. If I remember correctly there was also blood in botw
@@ElSun_Live I grew up with version 1.0 but never beat the Shadow temple as a kid. I do remember the red blood when my brother beat Gannon though. When I got older I played and beat it on the Master Quest version and now I usually play the Wii VC so it makes sense I don't remember that. I thought it was just the upscaling that made me notice it.
The stretched widescreen capture may have to do with the Wii's output. IIRC, even when set to 4:3 the Wii is outputting a widescreen signal of 720x480, so that could be throwing it off (switching consoles with different resolutions could be confusing it too). Still very sad to hear about this version. It really had the potential to be the definitive way to play this game and could open the door to expanding the community, but Nintendo had to Nintendo it up. Maybe some day we'll see a Nintendo where "quality" has meaning again.
GameCube and WiiVC = Emulator designed for each N64 game. WiiU and Switch = Overarching emulator for all N64 games attempting to patch with scripts on the fly.
@Walther Penne why doesn’t some company make a new cheap pc that’s designed to play old pc games ? I also wonder why no one makes new crt TVs for retro gamers.
@@trapez77 CRT TV's are quite intensive to make and require parts that were made specifically for CRTs and that are no longer being made so anyone making new ones would have to also get all these parts made just for them and that's expensive... Another issue is CRT TV's have quite a good lifespan so very few people would buy an expensive new one instead of a old used one
@Walther Penne No, do your research. When Nintendo did the Wii VC, they released each N64 VC game with its own version of the emulator that had been tweaked specifically for it. When Nintendo did the Wii U VC, the person who was responsible for much of that specific emulator work had left the company, and they ended up just using the same version of the emulator for everything and patching stuff in with LUA scripts. They are continuing to do the same thing with the Switch. This is a software issue and has nothing to do with all the hardware architecture you're talking about above.
It seems Nintendo have moved to a universal emulator rather than one specially worked on/changed for a particular game in mind. That would explain why some games got it worse than others, and why OoT specifically seems to have gotten worse and worse after Wii VC
Makes you wanna give some more money to Nintendo for that new controller, doesn't it..? Nintendo's been going way down the toilet recently. This is just so sad, they used to be really great
the funny thing is they could have also just put C right/C down on the R/ZR button instead of having a really weird work around where all C buttons are mapped to a macro when only 1 extra button was needed. Also they could have given multiple control setups at least.
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So what is going on with the fog? Are the environment fog tags swapped? Because he keeps saying that area with fog shouldn't have fog and areas without fog should have fog. I'm familiar with the game and can also tell the fog is wrong, but I just am not sure how they got it wrong both ways. I'd understand it more if they removed fog everywhere, but it seems like all the fog is just wrong.
I think that the density of the fog isn't linear with distance, and the port screwed this up somehow. At close distance, it's thicker than it should be, and at far distances it's thinner than it should be. This causes close-up objects to be murky and objects farther away to be too clear (eg. Deku Tree in Kokiri Forest)
@Walther Penne The switch can render fog correctly with no performance downside, this has already been proven. Stop making up excuses especially when you have no idea what you are talking about.
@@mikau1585 I actually played the 3ds one back when it came out but never got to play the original properly, kinda wanted the save data for it on my switch instead of an illegal emulator too :(
looked like the reflective texture was under the water texture. that could be an easy fix, but i dont think itd address the main concern being input scheme and delay. edit: nevermind the water looks like minecraft cobblestone and unlike the original texture entirely
The once promising act first seen in 1998 that became the GOAT of video games...has now become a total bust for Switch Online. We could have expected an HD remake rather than just the retro port.
They already have an HD remake for the 3ds so they would just have to port it over. But in my opinion it looks really ugly in comparison to the old version. Some things just shouldn't be remade in HD lol
@Guy Dude I can definitely see what you're saying. Though sometimes it can look nice, it can take away from the original identity. It's like the fog being removed. Yeah it looks cool and reminds me of how breath of the wild looks where you can see the entirety of the puzzle you're trying to traverse and all the enemies in it, however it also takes away from the atmosphere of the area and the mystery of what lies ahead. And to me that's one of the largest parts of this entry in the series. It just works for it, with the music mostly being there to make you uneasy, it just doesn't do the same thing when you can see what it's trying to hide
@Guy Dude I don't care about realistic visuals but I still think oot 3d looks better. Sure there are some instances like the ganon fight where the brightness takes away the atmosphere, but having less muddy textures and polygonal sprites make the game feel much more pleasant to just look at while still keeping the original feel.
I wonder if there is correlation between draw distance fog and input delay. When you were playing Star Fox it had a fair amount and said that there was like no delay. Meanwhile in Zelda, no fog but noticeable input delay.
Star Fox 64 fog is also just as bad. It ends up barely exposing the game's draw distance. You can also see when the map wraps around in the Multiplayer maps to the point where buildings would suddenly appear once you wrap around.
Way to use such reductive reasoning that you've subtracted the entire point out of what he's saying. Also, seeing what passed for cutting-edge graphics back in 1998 is a very good reason to play this game.
Its not the textures thats difrent They messed up the transperancy, the water in the og has the same texture but is transpersnt, for it to mimick a reflection, as the layer under it is a mirrored room
@@jesusramirezromo2037 I think there is also a tiling issue with it, so the water is tiled in squares instead of the texture being stretched and then have a transparency effect applied.
@Walther Penne Wrong. It's an emulation issue not a conscious choice. This room has been fine on every release of the game until now, nothing to do with FPS.
@Walther Pennethe fog was fine when the GameCube was emulating Ocarina of Time. It's not an fps issue and nobody else is even attempting to make that argument. By the way, they are releases of the game. Each time they release this game it's a different situation. On the GameCube it's an N64 emulator they built for the GameCube and modified specifically to run Ocarina of Time. On the Wii they released each N64 VC game with its own specific tweaked version of the emulator. On the Wii U they just used one version of the emulator for every game, which led to poor quality N64 emulation in comparison to the Wii. On Switch they're doing much the same thing as the Wii U. From your other bizarre comments on this video you clearly don't have the technical knowledge to claim the Switch can't do fog effects. The Switch GPU is based off NVIDIA's PC GPU technology, and that can handle this room without too much issue. Hell, hacked Switches with a community N64 emulator can handle this room in Ocarina of Time.
I don't understand how Nintendo can release this game 18 YEARS ago on the GameCube in an all round excellent state, but struggle to get it working well on the switch. They have loads of decent inhouse emulators they could have used and adapted for the switch but instead they went for this one.
@Walther Penne what are you smoking? the online support is nothing special; it's delay-based netcode for controller inputs. also, this processor is just fine. my Android phone can emulate OOT just fine with an actually accurate emulator. Nintendo hasn't made an accurate emulator, and isn't attempting to make one.
@Walther Penne It doesn't. Please stop spreading inaccuracies. Delay-based netcode is cheap to implement, and modern processors don't make it more expensive.
@Walther Penne Rivals of Aether is a platform fighter with rollback netcode on Switch. Nintendo decided to leave Evo. You're misinformed and spouting technobabble.
I grew up playing OOT on n64 and it was like my favourite game as a kid. It hurts my soul thinking that this is the version that a lot of people will experience OOT as for the first time...
Can vouch for it being frustrating to play casually-I took so many tries to do child shooting gallery. It’s just impossible to aim, almost as bad as emulator on keyboard bad
the fog is bad but the dark link room with no reflections (I'm guessing it's framebuffer related? I've heard someone say it's like that because there's no fog, but I'm not sure why the fog would break reflections-- would love someone more knowledgable to weigh in on this).... that really kills it for me, it looks so terrible. I remember playing OOT on the gamecube as a kid and thinking that the dark link room was so cool, the way that it seemed to "go on forever". Spent a lot of time there as well because I couldn't beat dark link for the life of me! ended up cheesing him with din's fire. good times
I have been hoping to get oot in the switch for so long and then they add it for Nintendo online which sucks, and not only that they made a mess out of it they should have done like a 3 game bundle and be done with it that way they would make a better effort for it
Ok, ok ok it’s not SO bad. That being said, I was in … IDK … somewhere near Gerudoville? Riding Epona & I went into a corner & got stuck. I was able to dismount, but could not get her to back out of the corner for the longest time. I tried backwards walking, turning in a circle, all sorts of stuff. I was trying for so long that I just wound up walking away & calling her over with the song lol.
as I fellow speedrunner even I was planning on not touching this just due to the price alone. Gotta say though from what I hear the Genesis games actually work pretty well.
Screwed or not (clearly screwed) I just 100% it (no glitches and no rush) And FUCK, the biggest quiver game at gerudo fortress took HOURS, controls are waaaaay to sensitive, aiming at objects is basically impossible Same goes for the big poes
Ocarina of Time is perhaps the single most successful game Nintendo has ever produced. Critically speaking, it's the game people will mention as proof that Nintendo is a competent developer. It's extremely worrying that executives at Nintendo failed to port a working version of Ocarina of Time. That's like going to a grocery store and learning that all their refrigerators broke.
I don't know how serious the question in the title is, but I played starfox and if the control scheme didn't suck and the control stick wasn't so sensitive it would be fine. SM64 and OoT are the only two games I've played on it that felt like something was messed up. Even then I don't think SM64 was as bad as OoT
0:44 this is why drift is such a problem. I think the sensitivity is just a switch thing (you can see just how sensitive it is in calibration). Even natural levels of drift make controllers near useless when trying to do something like HESS, or not move/spasm every 2 seconds for no reason
This is the same emulator used by the Wii U. What's causing graphical glitches not on Wii U is something that I don't have an exact answer to, but the same quirks, such as Input Delay, FPS fluctuation fixes, and Instability are present. Yes, the random crashing of N64 did carry over from Wii U.
The “some games work better” bit aligns with what someone told me the other day about how N64 emulation is weird because you have to work every rom to run in specific ways due to how the N64 worked
@Walther Penne Eh. Most things do tend to just work on PC. The problem you have here is with an old console from a period in the industry where everyone had their own strange architecture approach working very weird ways that has never been industry standard. Same reason SEGA Saturn emulation is a nightmare and why Gamecube was so easy. The only things that don't tend to work easily out of the box are Japanese made games because Japanese devs are slow to change to new ways of building games, so you still get dumb things like tying game speed to framerate.
@@Aksel_exe How is it better than the original? The Control Stick sensitivity sucks, uses a Control Stick in place of the C Buttons, it has less of the fun glitches, has the downgraded Fire Temple music, has the fake Gerudo crest, and censored blood.
well today I have learn that nintendo 64 graphics looks very sharp and clear with 149 inch 1080p screen actually I have never seen a sharp 1080p image before I had a 39 inch 4k display that looked atrocious pixelated with any resolution that isn’t 4k yeah but PS4 PS5 games doesn’t look good with my 149 inch 1080p screen but mario sunshine looks very good on my 149 inch 1080p screen
Can you believe they're charging more than double the base price for this? And with such a pathetically small lineup as well. Geez when did Nintendo become so anti-consumer?
@@Mister_Clean The Wii was pretty great imo, many of their best games were only $20. Nothing first party on the Switch is close to that. The Wii U was an accident. This specifically feels malicious. Drive the price up by more than double for a number of games that you can count on two hands? And with such terrible performance? They can get away with that and they know it. The Wii U and Wii didn't do anything remotely similar.
@@jonathanwilliams1271 I don't know about that statement. There's still some best games on the Switch as well, even though it's $60, is still worth it. And arguably better than their Wii games. Other than NSO, the rest of what's said here is heavily subjective. Besides, there's more than just the N64 (such as the Genesis games), and having just only the NES and SNES is good enough for the normal online service.
They did remaster it. On the 3DS. The Wii U had the best HD emulation if you played the homebrew version that simply removes the dark filter and addresses the input delay.
@VK no it's not, it still uses the base foundation, base models, etc. from N64OOT to the point where the models can be found in 3D. OOT3D is a remaster
@VK the models already existed in the n64 version and it was intended to be used in the n64cd drive if I remember correctly however the whole cd drive for the n64 was scrapped. So they just added the 3d functionality and remapped the controls for the most part. It's a remaster
@VK of course. I've been there and I got called out as well. Though they weren't as kind haha. But it's cool man. Part of the reason I like this game is the community and I would hate to be part of the reason my favorite community could be seen as toxic
Seems like Oot and SM64 perform the worst? Same issue with Wii U as far as I can tell, I tested Bomberman 64 and Sin & Punishment on Wii U (through CRT no added lag) and noticed less input lag than other games on VC, they also are a bit overclocked. I'm going to compare to switch when I get a chance, but compared to original N64 it's about 3 or 4 frames of lag on those two games specifically, not the 6+ like with SM64 and Zelda. Movement accuracy (deadzones) is still a bit off though. A lot of people are just testing Zelda as a comparison ( I get it why) from what I understand all games use the same emulation unlike WiiVC so some have better compatibility than others, it's ok in some cases and great with a few games despite the filter (just change the TV settings and it can look decent) and a frame or two of added lag. Yes Wii VC is generally better, and original hardware or open source emu is still the best I won't even try to argue otherwise, WiiU VC probably still isn't worth it even at $10 per game.
I’m bipolar and I just had a very similar conversation with my doctor this afternoon .. turns out we’re going to switch up half my meds so the next few weeks should be very interesting .. could be great could be horrible, let’s find out together
It'd be funny if they had so much delay and lag to try and prevent people from doing sick ACE tricks and stuff, they don't really like glitches in their game (with the exception of the recent Metroid dread, who Has only patched negative ones) so it's entirely plausible
@ZFG: are you sure it is not the glitches you done before, that corrupted the plug in, because for me in the pass, way before the Expension pack, I was testing Super mario world to see if I could get cloud in item box with the charching chuck, and after it crash several time, I give-up and play Super mario kart, lap counts was mess-up it shows -for minutes it shows 86 seconds, but the game still calculated the real time it was, it was actually 26, then when I try to re-created it, by doing the testing again in Super mario world, with a lot of crash, it never happen again in Super mario kart that problem, and Nintendo never fix it because it was not cause by them. If Ocarina of Time if it is a real plug in issue, that is not cause by other game non-clear Ram, neither cause by doing a bunch of glitch in Ocarina of Time, they confirmed they will fix it, do not know how long it will take for them to get the patch ready.
No, the speedrunning community has studied how OoT's glitches work and affect the game for decades. We know that no glitches cause any of these things to happen, and these things have been independently verified over and over again since this video and the exact causes are now known.
@@ZFG Improving the service mean they will fix it, because before that statment, Doug Bowser said he is aware of the complain and working on Improving the services, they hide what they are actually doing into a vague statement, obviously the issue to need fixing it is the bad plug in, and the studering in OOT, the rest of the issue will probebly not be fix, because it is the HD patch causing a problem with the fog, the graphic are too HD you can see them through the fog, so it look like their is no fog in OOT, and the texture no looking right that is not an issue, because it is only notice when you look really close in Mario kart 64, and the original Mario kart 64 on N64 the same texture problem is also their when you look at it really close, you don't see the problem as well in the N64 version because it is not HD, you would see it, if you can run an HD patch on your N64 console, not talking about an HD graphic patch, talking about an HD patch.
I really don't notice the input lag at all. I'm not exactly a speedrunner, but I think it's been grossly exaggerated. A speedrunner will definitely notice, and I don't doubt it's there and incredibly frustrating to work with. But the way people were describing it made it sound like the control lag was akin to N64 emulation on the Wii U. It's nowhere near that bad. I play randomizers a lot with Project 64 and tried out this version coming right off of that, I literally wouldn't have even known the game had control lag at all. This version is absolutely fine for casual play. Sure, it's not the definitive version of the game, but it's the most easily accessible. If someone has never played OoT before, they're not even going to notice any of these differences. If this version is someone's first experience with OoT and they don't enjoy it, I seriously don't think putting the original in their hands is suddenly going to change their minds. Why is it like this? There's a short answer and a long answer. Take your pick. The short answer is that Nintendo doesn't care about old games and just want to make them available on modern hardware so people shut up about asking for them. The long answer is that Nintendo acknowledges the importance of keeping legacy games accessible and this is an easy solution that doesn't require investing a bunch of time, energy, and money into perfecting a game from nearly 25 years ago. Even if it's their greatest, most famous title of all time. Keep in mind this is the same company who's developing the *next* Zelda game. And each one, I'm sure, they hope will be *better* than anything that came before. That's where all that time, energy, and money that could've gone to this port is going. Into BotW2. "Why is it that fans can do it better for free?" Because they're fans. They love the game and find value in perfecting the game they love. They also don't have to choose between perfecting OoT and making a completely original game. They leave game development to Nintendo and focus instead on optimizing what they already have. Those that do take the route of developing new games, such as Rom hackers or developers of fangames, surprise surprise, aren't also developing their own emulators at the same time. "Stopping defending/licking the boot of the million dollar company." First of all, maybe I just like the flavor of leather. In all seriousness, I'm really not a bootlicker for Nintendo at all. I like some of their games and don't care for a lot of them. I also haven't shelled out a single penny for N64 online. The only reason I even have access to it is because my brother was interested and split the money with his friends and I happen to be mooching off of his Family plan. I was personally absolutely repulsed by the absurd price tag. There is no excuse for the expansion to cost so much when the emulation is clearly low budget and the online barely works. The only reason the price can even remotely be justified is the Animal Crossing DLC being packaged with it, DLC for a game you might not even own but *have* to buy with the N64 expansion. No thank you. So no, I'm not angry about the quality of the emulation. I'm angry at the price it's being sold for. You can't give it bargain bin effort but sell it at a luxury price.
Of course the only game they would mess up would be OoT, one of the most popular N64 games, during the series' 35th anniversary. Nintendo gonna Nintendo.
I don’t have any of these problems on the Switch version… I just don’t see it. Then again, I don’t do glitches but the joy con is super sensitive, that I’ll agree with. I just don’t understand getting bent out of shape because glitches don’t work on a certain version, why not let people enjoy it who actually enjoy it and play it the right way? That’s the end of my rant. Love ZFG and all he does in the community but this just rubs me the wrong way. I didn’t get any of the dark link muddy water effects either.
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I love the serious tone when talking about something called "asschest"
Zfg is ALWAYS serious
Asschest is a very important and crucial to OoT, treat it with respect
@@pigsplayinggames do NOT drop the ASS CHEST, it will make zfg ANGRY
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He droppa da asschest.
@@wompastompa3692 “he then dropped the ass” I love google translation on TH-cam comments that it doesn’t think are English.
I love chat during the phantom ganon fight. Filled with "Suave" and one "Phantom Ganon disconnected."
Terminalmontage🤣❤
Quequierosentirtuslabiobesandomeotravez...
SUAVE
TAKE IT!
I've had that song stuck in my head for weeks. Terminalmontage is great
Cuando tú me besas
Me siento en el aire
Por eso cuando te veo
Comienzo a besarte
Y si te despegas
Yo me despierto
De ese rico sueño
Que me dan tus besos
Suavemente
Bésame, que yo quiero sentir tus labios
Besándome otra vez
Suavemente, ¡ese coro! (Bésame)
Es la cosa (Que yo quiero sentir tus labios)
Bésandome otra vez
Bésame suavecito
Sin prisa y con calma
Dame un beso bien profundo, que me llegue al alma
Dame un beso más, que en mi boca cabe
Dame un beso despacito, dame un beso suave
This port, right here, is why community emulation is so important.
How does anyone expect to appreciate these games as a newer generation if this is what they get as their first experience?
The GameCube version was my first OoT experience, but that was a very long time ago now (Christmas of 2003) It's crazy to think that the emulation experience on the Collectors Edition or Master Quest disk is far better than the one on Nintendo Switch Online, ESPECIALLY after 18 years from the GC release.
A new Zelda fan deserves more than that mess.
When I was 9 I used to play Zelda TWW on my PC with 15fps and atrocious visual settings, but I appreciated it more than anything
Like SEGA does with SEGA Mega Drive & Genesis Classics on PC, I wish Nintendo would give us a legal way to get ROMs to use however we like.
Tbh i don't really care about the non reflection of the water and stuff like that because I haven't played this game since I was like 5 and now im 13 so its been a min considering I play fps games I didn't really care as long as I was able to play this game again
@@DrWillz1996 Sameeee 2011 days I used to play the collectors edition oot and mm all the time as a kid it was perfect
Ive emulated damn near everything for the past 5 years, rereleases suck
One of the most asked games from fans was OoT, and yet this game got the worst out of the rest. Brutal
stop giving Nintendo your money
Pirate instead
If only Nintendo realized that there were a significant number of people who were going to upgrade to the N64 expansion pack JUST for Ocarina of time and later Majoras mask, and now that those people have seen the lack of care taken in emulating Ocarina of time in particular they will not be upgrading
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I think Nintendo is aware of that and that people will criticize, but if they keep paying for that stuff it doesn't matter how much they complain. I honestly doubt that many didn't upgrade because of these videos and that it's core audience upgraded before any of these videos came out or regardless of them.
Personally, even with a better emulator I wouldn't have upgraded for those games.
@@rodrigocaceres2879 that makes sense, I just don’t have a 3DS or WiiU, and my Wii doesn’t work anymore, and of course I never had an N64 nor a GameCube, so I was really looking forward to being able to play OoT for the first time in a decade since playing it on the Wii VC, but I don’t want to play this buggy mess
Hopefully they will
@@HeyThatsInteresting97 The 3ds version of oot is better
Shame about majora's mask tho
"i love how we both have guns and are just kicking us"
another guy, with a gun and a knife, sneaks up from behind. knifes zfg.
Imagine making a port of one of your flagship N64 titles and then screwing it over as hard as you can. Never change Nintendo
Typical Nintendo.
@Juanfran Hawks: you have to be aware the people that work on OOT are either old enough to Retired, if not they might have move on to other Jobs no one will work forever as a video game designer, so the reason for the mistake was because of the new workers, and also you don't know maybe it was working find when they test it, and the problem started when other people, are playing it, maybe the plug in broke when it got download, they will fix it, and just have to wait for the new patch
@@SuperNickid It's on a Wii U emulator. They won't fix it. A newer generation working on something with that kind of impact on the gaming community is no excuse for the poor state that they released a $50 rental emulation.
@@shootingstar.3789 Nintendo switch online expension pack is not on WiiU, if you refereing, he did say WiiU by mistake once and he meant to say Nintendo switch, and the WiiU version their is no need to fix it because it works found with no issue, except of course without the HD patch the WiiU version, and when I say HD patch, I'm not refereing to HD graphic patch.
it's not a port, it's emulation. a port means compiling the source code for the new target device.
Played as casual. So hard to aim with first person items. The input delay makes fighting Ganondorf so hard.
there is no input delay the heck u talking about?
@@hirotashi5950 haha. Good joke
@@boekster7108 casual fanboy copium moment
10:52 Now that certainly deserves the title "a magical journey"
So there is another thing on the very short list of things Switch OOT is good at, much more stable with "weird-X" animations.
The Dark Link Room is Probably The Wrost defect of This Version, which ruins the atmosphere of the fight sadly. I Hope They fix it eventually in the near future.
Totally agree. Link losing his reflection once touching the island, which becomes Dark Link, is one of the things that sticks out in my memory the most from my first playthrough.
I wouldn't say it ruins the fight, more so it ruins the story its supposed to tell you.
Why are your words randomly capitalized?
"you Are exAggeating. iT's sTill plaYabLe ,i Just playeD it rIght now"
@@KoopDeGrace way too much deez
it's so refreshing to see ZFG just playing the game, somewhat casually and just noticing stuff and finding new things
Well I never realised the wall texture for some rooms in the Shadow Temple was just skulls. Pretty creepy.
Depending on what version of the game you played, you may not remember because it wasn't there. Later versions removed this along with lots of blood. If I remember correctly there was also blood in botw
Botw being bottom of the well not breath of the wild
@@ElSun_Live oh k
@@ElSun_Live I grew up with version 1.0 but never beat the Shadow temple as a kid. I do remember the red blood when my brother beat Gannon though. When I got older I played and beat it on the Master Quest version and now I usually play the Wii VC so it makes sense I don't remember that. I thought it was just the upscaling that made me notice it.
@@BananaMana69 understandable. Sometimes though it makes it more interesting to learn about this stuff for the first time too
The stretched widescreen capture may have to do with the Wii's output. IIRC, even when set to 4:3 the Wii is outputting a widescreen signal of 720x480, so that could be throwing it off (switching consoles with different resolutions could be confusing it too).
Still very sad to hear about this version. It really had the potential to be the definitive way to play this game and could open the door to expanding the community, but Nintendo had to Nintendo it up. Maybe some day we'll see a Nintendo where "quality" has meaning again.
Dude, where did ZFG go? Hasn't streamed in 7 days, no YT uploads in 11 days.
That last clip gives a new meaning to "don't bring a knife to a gun fight"
GameCube and WiiVC = Emulator designed for each N64 game.
WiiU and Switch = Overarching emulator for all N64 games attempting to patch with scripts on the fly.
@Walther Penne why doesn’t some company make a new cheap pc that’s designed to play old pc games ? I also wonder why no one makes new crt TVs for retro gamers.
@Walther Penne Based WiiU shilling scitzo
@@trapez77 CRT TV's are quite intensive to make and require parts that were made specifically for CRTs and that are no longer being made so anyone making new ones would have to also get all these parts made just for them and that's expensive...
Another issue is CRT TV's have quite a good lifespan so very few people would buy an expensive new one instead of a old used one
@@Riobink I didn’t think of that. That sucks.
@Walther Penne No, do your research. When Nintendo did the Wii VC, they released each N64 VC game with its own version of the emulator that had been tweaked specifically for it.
When Nintendo did the Wii U VC, the person who was responsible for much of that specific emulator work had left the company, and they ended up just using the same version of the emulator for everything and patching stuff in with LUA scripts.
They are continuing to do the same thing with the Switch. This is a software issue and has nothing to do with all the hardware architecture you're talking about above.
"Should we test if there are issues in other games?"
"If it works in Mario Tennis, that's good enough for me."
Look how they massacred my boy
How does this version handle that one glitch where loading the rain in Kakariko and then leaving immediately messes with the fog?
ZFGs chat always makes me laugh
Best twitch chat
Best chat ever Pog
It seems Nintendo have moved to a universal emulator rather than one specially worked on/changed for a particular game in mind. That would explain why some games got it worse than others, and why OoT specifically seems to have gotten worse and worse after Wii VC
Does the universal emulator interact differently with different games' different input routines? Maybe all input is being delayed by one visual frame.
So essentially the "jack-of-all-trades, master of none" type of deal then.
The blue gauntlets I think hint to a lot of problems or why problems exist.
I can't comprehend the C-right thing, how hard it is to implement input remapping in 2021?
They have remapping system wide so I know they can do it.
Makes you wanna give some more money to Nintendo for that new controller, doesn't it..?
Nintendo's been going way down the toilet recently. This is just so sad, they used to be really great
the funny thing is they could have also just put C right/C down on the R/ZR button instead of having a really weird work around where all C buttons are mapped to a macro when only 1 extra button was needed. Also they could have given multiple control setups at least.
Also, it's odd that they copied a part of the RetroArch N64 bindings with pressing down a face button plus the right trigger to use C buttons.
I’m surprised nintendo didn’t take the d pad idea from the rando for the ocarina and boots
Hey ZFG, thanks to your Switch port demonstration of Ocarina of Time, you are now at 90K subscribers! You are getting close to 100K subscribers! I hope you get there soon! And celebrate!
Cucui Ganon strikes the chat again. He's too powerful.
So what is going on with the fog? Are the environment fog tags swapped? Because he keeps saying that area with fog shouldn't have fog and areas without fog should have fog. I'm familiar with the game and can also tell the fog is wrong, but I just am not sure how they got it wrong both ways. I'd understand it more if they removed fog everywhere, but it seems like all the fog is just wrong.
@Walther Penne might be the same with reflections
I think that the density of the fog isn't linear with distance, and the port screwed this up somehow. At close distance, it's thicker than it should be, and at far distances it's thinner than it should be. This causes close-up objects to be murky and objects farther away to be too clear (eg. Deku Tree in Kokiri Forest)
The fog is usually very far away and barely noticeable.
@Walther Penne Stop saying that! It was not intentional and has nothing to do with resources.
@Walther Penne The switch can render fog correctly with no performance downside, this has already been proven. Stop making up excuses especially when you have no idea what you are talking about.
Thanks You !!! I was looking a Review like yours in regards to the input lag which I didnt know anywhere
The only game I wanted to play is the one they screwed up the most... typical
there are so many platforms to play this game on, youd be better off with gamecube or 3ds
@@mikau1585 I actually played the 3ds one back when it came out but never got to play the original properly, kinda wanted the save data for it on my switch instead of an illegal emulator too :(
@@hazzywazzeh Emulators are not illegal. Game piracy is.
looked like the reflective texture was under the water texture. that could be an easy fix, but i dont think itd address the main concern being input scheme and delay.
edit: nevermind the water looks like minecraft cobblestone and unlike the original texture entirely
The once promising act first seen in 1998 that became the GOAT of video games...has now become a total bust for Switch Online. We could have expected an HD remake rather than just the retro port.
They already have an HD remake for the 3ds so they would just have to port it over. But in my opinion it looks really ugly in comparison to the old version. Some things just shouldn't be remade in HD lol
@@ElSun_Live I completely disagree; OoT has not aged the best visually, much like most 3D N64 games, and the 3DS version looks much better.
@@hoodedman6579 here are the two kinds of people haha
@Guy Dude I can definitely see what you're saying. Though sometimes it can look nice, it can take away from the original identity. It's like the fog being removed. Yeah it looks cool and reminds me of how breath of the wild looks where you can see the entirety of the puzzle you're trying to traverse and all the enemies in it, however it also takes away from the atmosphere of the area and the mystery of what lies ahead. And to me that's one of the largest parts of this entry in the series. It just works for it, with the music mostly being there to make you uneasy, it just doesn't do the same thing when you can see what it's trying to hide
@Guy Dude I don't care about realistic visuals but I still think oot 3d looks better. Sure there are some instances like the ganon fight where the brightness takes away the atmosphere, but having less muddy textures and polygonal sprites make the game feel much more pleasant to just look at while still keeping the original feel.
Perhaps the new Switch emulation V2.8 will cost 70$
@Guy Dude $20 per emulated controller pak
don't give them ideas
@Guy Dude wait did they actually fix it then?
I wonder if there is correlation between draw distance fog and input delay. When you were playing Star Fox it had a fair amount and said that there was like no delay. Meanwhile in Zelda, no fog but noticeable input delay.
Star Fox 64 fog is also just as bad. It ends up barely exposing the game's draw distance. You can also see when the map wraps around in the Multiplayer maps to the point where buildings would suddenly appear once you wrap around.
15:00 is when the title of the video is attempted to be answered...in a 16:19 minute video
Gratz on 90k
HundoK demands we throw a party in his honor
5:40 Capt. Falcon gauntlets
The blue orb isn’t as bright? The fog is gone? Damn those were the only reasons I played this game!
Way to use such reductive reasoning that you've subtracted the entire point out of what he's saying.
Also, seeing what passed for cutting-edge graphics back in 1998 is a very good reason to play this game.
I don't understand how the water texture is so much different in the dark link fight
Its not the textures thats difrent
They messed up the transperancy, the water in the og has the same texture but is transpersnt, for it to mimick a reflection, as the layer under it is a mirrored room
@@jesusramirezromo2037 most games with reflections use this technique, it's so much less resource intensive
@@jesusramirezromo2037 I think there is also a tiling issue with it, so the water is tiled in squares instead of the texture being stretched and then have a transparency effect applied.
@Walther Penne Wrong. It's an emulation issue not a conscious choice. This room has been fine on every release of the game until now, nothing to do with FPS.
@Walther Pennethe fog was fine when the GameCube was emulating Ocarina of Time. It's not an fps issue and nobody else is even attempting to make that argument.
By the way, they are releases of the game. Each time they release this game it's a different situation. On the GameCube it's an N64 emulator they built for the GameCube and modified specifically to run Ocarina of Time.
On the Wii they released each N64 VC game with its own specific tweaked version of the emulator.
On the Wii U they just used one version of the emulator for every game, which led to poor quality N64 emulation in comparison to the Wii.
On Switch they're doing much the same thing as the Wii U.
From your other bizarre comments on this video you clearly don't have the technical knowledge to claim the Switch can't do fog effects.
The Switch GPU is based off NVIDIA's PC GPU technology, and that can handle this room without too much issue. Hell, hacked Switches with a community N64 emulator can handle this room in Ocarina of Time.
Grats on 90k! Hundo will come soon enough.
I don't understand how Nintendo can release this game 18 YEARS ago on the GameCube in an all round excellent state, but struggle to get it working well on the switch. They have loads of decent inhouse emulators they could have used and adapted for the switch but instead they went for this one.
@Walther Penne what are you smoking? the online support is nothing special; it's delay-based netcode for controller inputs. also, this processor is just fine. my Android phone can emulate OOT just fine with an actually accurate emulator. Nintendo hasn't made an accurate emulator, and isn't attempting to make one.
@Walther Penne It doesn't. Please stop spreading inaccuracies. Delay-based netcode is cheap to implement, and modern processors don't make it more expensive.
@Walther Penne Rivals of Aether is a platform fighter with rollback netcode on Switch. Nintendo decided to leave Evo. You're misinformed and spouting technobabble.
I grew up playing OOT on n64 and it was like my favourite game as a kid. It hurts my soul thinking that this is the version that a lot of people will experience OOT as for the first time...
Will they improve any of this stuff ? Like reduce input lag and button mappings?
Are you ok zfg? Haven't heard from you. Just wondering if you were alright.
Can vouch for it being frustrating to play casually-I took so many tries to do child shooting gallery. It’s just impossible to aim, almost as bad as emulator on keyboard bad
Hey new to the channel curious about your opinion on the 3ds versions compared to emulated, and how many of the glitches work on the 3d versions?
Dude Winback is sick! Definitely shows its age as shooters have come a long way, but back in the day that was the best of em.
10:52 PBG's Skyward Sword mods video comes to mind
10:47 ok, i cracked up laughing, Link is having a hell of a time here, might need an exorcism XD
the fog is bad but the dark link room with no reflections (I'm guessing it's framebuffer related? I've heard someone say it's like that because there's no fog, but I'm not sure why the fog would break reflections-- would love someone more knowledgable to weigh in on this).... that really kills it for me, it looks so terrible. I remember playing OOT on the gamecube as a kid and thinking that the dark link room was so cool, the way that it seemed to "go on forever". Spent a lot of time there as well because I couldn't beat dark link for the life of me! ended up cheesing him with din's fire. good times
I have been hoping to get oot in the switch for so long
and then they add it for Nintendo online which sucks, and not only that they made a mess out of it
they should have done like a 3 game bundle and be done with it
that way they would make a better effort for it
Ok, ok ok it’s not SO bad.
That being said, I was in … IDK … somewhere near Gerudoville? Riding Epona & I went into a corner & got stuck. I was able to dismount, but could not get her to back out of the corner for the longest time.
I tried backwards walking, turning in a circle, all sorts of stuff.
I was trying for so long that I just wound up walking away & calling her over with the song lol.
Damn its been awhile since i’ve seen a zfg video
I can't believe they jsut ploped a water.png on the shadow link room.
as I fellow speedrunner even I was planning on not touching this just due to the price alone. Gotta say though from what I hear the Genesis games actually work pretty well.
Screwed or not (clearly screwed) I just 100% it (no glitches and no rush)
And FUCK, the biggest quiver game at gerudo fortress took HOURS, controls are waaaaay to sensitive, aiming at objects is basically impossible
Same goes for the big poes
Ocarina of Time is perhaps the single most successful game Nintendo has ever produced. Critically speaking, it's the game people will mention as proof that Nintendo is a competent developer. It's extremely worrying that executives at Nintendo failed to port a working version of Ocarina of Time. That's like going to a grocery store and learning that all their refrigerators broke.
Do we know if the spirit temple crash where you dins fire the bubble is different?
Cue the “we-want-oot-v-what-we-have-at-home” meme
Curious if the colored gauntlets glitch also change in the fire temple.
3:27 Ah yes my favorite creepypasta
good question
I don't know how serious the question in the title is, but I played starfox and if the control scheme didn't suck and the control stick wasn't so sensitive it would be fine. SM64 and OoT are the only two games I've played on it that felt like something was messed up. Even then I don't think SM64 was as bad as OoT
one thing I wanna see tested is the fog glitch on Switch and see how it reacts
12:00 seeing this in video is so much more.... interesting
Does the crash with the shallow water dive also happen on N64? Why does it happen? Do you need any specific conditions for it?
No, the original N64 game does not crash when diving in shallow water.
0:44 this is why drift is such a problem. I think the sensitivity is just a switch thing (you can see just how sensitive it is in calibration). Even natural levels of drift make controllers near useless when trying to do something like HESS, or not move/spasm every 2 seconds for no reason
Could it be that the Lua scripts for OoT take processing time so the game actually recieves the inputs later than in say mario tennis?
I'm think their emulator is unfinished currently, which is why they've only released a handful of games so far.
Perhaps. We should be patient and see, I haven't bought it yet.
Maybe.
This is the same emulator used by the Wii U. What's causing graphical glitches not on Wii U is something that I don't have an exact answer to, but the same quirks, such as Input Delay, FPS fluctuation fixes, and Instability are present.
Yes, the random crashing of N64 did carry over from Wii U.
3:27 My theory about this glitch is Dark Link possesses Link and then glitches him out until the game crashes.
Is that really happening on the switch?
Can we use SRM to permanently remove the lua scripts and remap the pro controller?
The worst part is this version ruins my favorite chat joke
The ??????????????????????????????????????
now the ? marks are only for how bad this game is rather than a real "problem."
The “some games work better” bit aligns with what someone told me the other day about how N64 emulation is weird because you have to work every rom to run in specific ways due to how the N64 worked
@Walther Penne Eh. Most things do tend to just work on PC. The problem you have here is with an old console from a period in the industry where everyone had their own strange architecture approach working very weird ways that has never been industry standard. Same reason SEGA Saturn emulation is a nightmare and why Gamecube was so easy. The only things that don't tend to work easily out of the box are Japanese made games because Japanese devs are slow to change to new ways of building games, so you still get dumb things like tying game speed to framerate.
Dumb question, is Wii VC considered the best overall? Or the best not considering the Original n64 version?
Right now Wii VC is all round best
@@Aksel_exe How is it better than the original? The Control Stick sensitivity sucks, uses a Control Stick in place of the C Buttons, it has less of the fun glitches, has the downgraded Fire Temple music, has the fake Gerudo crest, and censored blood.
@@Schwarzorn shrug, play 1.0 then
Mario 64 on the switch and sunshine, I love the original ports of those games.
well today I have learn that nintendo 64 graphics looks very sharp and clear with 149 inch 1080p screen actually I have never seen a sharp 1080p image before I had a 39 inch 4k display that looked atrocious pixelated with any resolution that isn’t 4k yeah but PS4 PS5 games doesn’t look good with my 149 inch 1080p screen but mario sunshine looks very good on my 149 inch 1080p screen
This is very unfortunate.
"This is what happens when OT takes place on different days" looool
Can you believe they're charging more than double the base price for this? And with such a pathetically small lineup as well. Geez when did Nintendo become so anti-consumer?
They've been anti-consumer for 15 years, guy
when havent they been anti consumer
@@Mister_Clean The Wii was pretty great imo, many of their best games were only $20. Nothing first party on the Switch is close to that. The Wii U was an accident. This specifically feels malicious. Drive the price up by more than double for a number of games that you can count on two hands? And with such terrible performance? They can get away with that and they know it. The Wii U and Wii didn't do anything remotely similar.
@@jonathanwilliams1271 I don't know about that statement. There's still some best games on the Switch as well, even though it's $60, is still worth it. And arguably better than their Wii games. Other than NSO, the rest of what's said here is heavily subjective. Besides, there's more than just the N64 (such as the Genesis games), and having just only the NES and SNES is good enough for the normal online service.
Cartridge Tilting 2.0
But what about 3ds game LOZ ocarina of time? Is it same as old one or mess up like on switch????
@Walther Penne thank you for reply. I will check it.
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Yes, but also No.
Welp. That should about cover it.
Have a nice day, y'all.
1998: Reflections in the water... that can dissapear
2021: Mud
The game been out so long they could have remastered it why its so terrible
They did remaster it. On the 3DS.
The Wii U had the best HD emulation if you played the homebrew version that simply removes the dark filter and addresses the input delay.
@VK no it's not, it still uses the base foundation, base models, etc. from N64OOT to the point where the models can be found in 3D. OOT3D is a remaster
@@TheFakeReflection Some things remade, though. Just not the majority.
@VK the models already existed in the n64 version and it was intended to be used in the n64cd drive if I remember correctly however the whole cd drive for the n64 was scrapped. So they just added the 3d functionality and remapped the controls for the most part. It's a remaster
@VK of course. I've been there and I got called out as well. Though they weren't as kind haha. But it's cool man. Part of the reason I like this game is the community and I would hate to be part of the reason my favorite community could be seen as toxic
Seems like Oot and SM64 perform the worst?
Same issue with Wii U as far as I can tell, I tested Bomberman 64 and Sin & Punishment on Wii U (through CRT no added lag) and noticed less input lag than other games on VC, they also are a bit overclocked.
I'm going to compare to switch when I get a chance, but compared to original N64 it's about 3 or 4 frames of lag on those two games specifically, not the 6+ like with SM64 and Zelda. Movement accuracy (deadzones) is still a bit off though.
A lot of people are just testing Zelda as a comparison ( I get it why) from what I understand all games use the same emulation unlike WiiVC so some have better compatibility than others, it's ok in some cases and great with a few games despite the filter (just change the TV settings and it can look decent) and a frame or two of added lag.
Yes Wii VC is generally better, and original hardware or open source emu is still the best I won't even try to argue otherwise, WiiU VC probably still isn't worth it even at $10 per game.
I’m bipolar and I just had a very similar conversation with my doctor this afternoon .. turns out we’re going to switch up half my meds so the next few weeks should be very interesting .. could be great could be horrible, let’s find out together
Someone brought a knife to a kick fight
Zfg with the failed Lakitu skip 😞😞😞😞😞
#GOAT
What happens if you pull stick as adult in temple and return to child? Does it still lag as child or does it just crash every time?
It'd be funny if they had so much delay and lag to try and prevent people from doing sick ACE tricks and stuff, they don't really like glitches in their game (with the exception of the recent Metroid dread, who Has only patched negative ones) so it's entirely plausible
What capture card does he use?
If anyone Is using an adapter for switch to use an old N64 controller, how do you lock on? Kuz using Z opens the map. Makes it difficult to play
@ZFG: are you sure it is not the glitches you done before, that corrupted the plug in, because for me in the pass, way before the Expension pack, I was testing Super mario world to see if I could get cloud in item box with the charching chuck, and after it crash several time, I give-up and play Super mario kart, lap counts was mess-up it shows -for minutes it shows 86 seconds, but the game still calculated the real time it was, it was actually 26, then when I try to re-created it, by doing the testing again in Super mario world, with a lot of crash, it never happen again in Super mario kart that problem, and Nintendo never fix it because it was not cause by them. If Ocarina of Time if it is a real plug in issue, that is not cause by other game non-clear Ram, neither cause by doing a bunch of glitch in Ocarina of Time, they confirmed they will fix it, do not know how long it will take for them to get the patch ready.
No, the speedrunning community has studied how OoT's glitches work and affect the game for decades. We know that no glitches cause any of these things to happen, and these things have been independently verified over and over again since this video and the exact causes are now known.
@@ZFG well since it is a real plug-in issue, Nintendo did confirmed they will fix it, the question is how long will it take to fix it?
@@SuperNickid Nintendo did not confirm they would fix it, they just made vague statements about "improving the service".
@@ZFG Improving the service mean they will fix it, because before that statment, Doug Bowser said he is aware of the complain and working on Improving the services, they hide what they are actually doing into a vague statement, obviously the issue to need fixing it is the bad plug in, and the studering in OOT, the rest of the issue will probebly not be fix, because it is the HD patch causing a problem with the fog, the graphic are too HD you can see them through the fog, so it look like their is no fog in OOT, and the texture no looking right that is not an issue, because it is only notice when you look really close in Mario kart 64, and the original Mario kart 64 on N64 the same texture problem is also their when you look at it really close, you don't see the problem as well in the N64 version because it is not HD, you would see it, if you can run an HD patch on your N64 console, not talking about an HD graphic patch, talking about an HD patch.
I really don't notice the input lag at all. I'm not exactly a speedrunner, but I think it's been grossly exaggerated. A speedrunner will definitely notice, and I don't doubt it's there and incredibly frustrating to work with. But the way people were describing it made it sound like the control lag was akin to N64 emulation on the Wii U. It's nowhere near that bad.
I play randomizers a lot with Project 64 and tried out this version coming right off of that, I literally wouldn't have even known the game had control lag at all. This version is absolutely fine for casual play. Sure, it's not the definitive version of the game, but it's the most easily accessible. If someone has never played OoT before, they're not even going to notice any of these differences. If this version is someone's first experience with OoT and they don't enjoy it, I seriously don't think putting the original in their hands is suddenly going to change their minds.
Why is it like this? There's a short answer and a long answer. Take your pick. The short answer is that Nintendo doesn't care about old games and just want to make them available on modern hardware so people shut up about asking for them. The long answer is that Nintendo acknowledges the importance of keeping legacy games accessible and this is an easy solution that doesn't require investing a bunch of time, energy, and money into perfecting a game from nearly 25 years ago. Even if it's their greatest, most famous title of all time. Keep in mind this is the same company who's developing the *next* Zelda game. And each one, I'm sure, they hope will be *better* than anything that came before. That's where all that time, energy, and money that could've gone to this port is going. Into BotW2.
"Why is it that fans can do it better for free?" Because they're fans. They love the game and find value in perfecting the game they love. They also don't have to choose between perfecting OoT and making a completely original game. They leave game development to Nintendo and focus instead on optimizing what they already have. Those that do take the route of developing new games, such as Rom hackers or developers of fangames, surprise surprise, aren't also developing their own emulators at the same time.
"Stopping defending/licking the boot of the million dollar company." First of all, maybe I just like the flavor of leather. In all seriousness, I'm really not a bootlicker for Nintendo at all. I like some of their games and don't care for a lot of them. I also haven't shelled out a single penny for N64 online. The only reason I even have access to it is because my brother was interested and split the money with his friends and I happen to be mooching off of his Family plan. I was personally absolutely repulsed by the absurd price tag. There is no excuse for the expansion to cost so much when the emulation is clearly low budget and the online barely works. The only reason the price can even remotely be justified is the Animal Crossing DLC being packaged with it, DLC for a game you might not even own but *have* to buy with the N64 expansion. No thank you.
So no, I'm not angry about the quality of the emulation. I'm angry at the price it's being sold for. You can't give it bargain bin effort but sell it at a luxury price.
Of course the only game they would mess up would be OoT, one of the most popular N64 games, during the series' 35th anniversary. Nintendo gonna Nintendo.
12:53 He said Wii U but meant switch lol
They just messed up the water texture transparency somehow. I assume they had testers play this right?
You should play mm once it becomes available
As much as I love oot I adore mm and am nervous about it considering this disaster. I’m sure ZFG will do it just on principal lol
If they struggled to emulate it on GameCube, then they're really gonna mess it up on Switch
for some reason zfg saying "which, not gonna lie, looks kinda sick" seemed a little different from the way he usually talks, maybe that's just me tho
I don’t have any of these problems on the Switch version… I just don’t see it. Then again, I don’t do glitches but the joy con is super sensitive, that I’ll agree with. I just don’t understand getting bent out of shape because glitches don’t work on a certain version, why not let people enjoy it who actually enjoy it and play it the right way?
That’s the end of my rant. Love ZFG and all he does in the community but this just rubs me the wrong way. I didn’t get any of the dark link muddy water effects either.