Or even keep the control scheme they used for the Gamecube controller. Which has fewer buttons than the Switch Pro controller. And use the time they spent remapping the controls on properly mapping analog stick values.
They didn't seem to want to do game-to-game binding, so that was out of the question. But also, there's a lot of times you want to move and hit c buttons simultaneously, something that would require some truly fantastic piano grips in this situation. The layout's main problem is that it's designed to be inflexible. It assumes you can't rebind anything. So it ignores L3 and R3, it makes sure controls are possible for every button prompt, and it sets the shoulders in such a way that Z, L, and R are always accessible. The face c buttons are the ones that were closest to A and B, which are set as they are so that new players don't get confused by prompts, but are also among the most useful (they're all you need for starfox 64, they're two item recalls in ocarina and majora, etc). The ability to use a stick for c buttons, the ability to use a modifier key to turn your face buttons into c buttons, and the layout of the shoulders are all compromises for this. Having the controls change contextually would "make sense", but the goal wasn't to make sense. The goal was to present a product that was functionally plug-and-play, such that controls never needed rebinding. Problem is, people /want/ to rebind, people want to change settings and use things how they want. This is a... passable... default, but not being able to change c buttons or modifiers is the killer. Whoever high up in design insisted that the platform be inflexibly functional should be fired alongside whatever legal executives think taking down scans of a 25 year old book does anything for them but tank their stock.
Seems like the color differences have to do with alpha channels/z plane stuff. Would explain why the things with transparency look wrong (the warps, the crystal the warp puts you in, the motion blur, the bombs)
For NSO, I just hold ZR for all the C buttons, it's made life so much easier. C-right was annoying, but ZR turns all the buttons on the right in the Cs and so I just do what I call the "ZR-Cs" and it immediately made everything better.
I don't know why they didn't just NOT do that (the Switch has more than enough buttons), and let you remap buttons on your own for each game. I would have made the defaults be: A -> A B -> B X -> C-Right Y -> C-Left R -> C-Down L -> C-Up ZR -> R (Shield) ZL -> Z D-Pad -> D-Pad (I think this just toggles the minimap? If N64 L is the minimap, put that on D-Pad Up.) Plus -> Start/Pause Minus -> Save State Menu L (or D Pad) going unmapped is fine.
tbh i think the graininess on the motion blur effect is actually accurate and was just simply unnoticeable for years due to a. the n64's low resolution, and b. prior emulators both by nintendo and by fans failing to emulate it properly. GlideN64 has the effect too.
the grain on the blur effect is actually accurate, it was just unnoticeable on the n64's 240p resolution and every other subsequent rerelease had the blur effect emulated improperly, losing the grain effect
@@qactustick The NSO app has that problem even with official gamecube controllers, because those official gamecube controllers still have to go through adapters, and that problem persists even with the first-party adapter, because that adapter and that controller don't have HD Rumble. I think it's a problem with the way that N64 app handles the problem of emulating the rumble pak. What I assume they do is use HD rumble, with the signal that "it exists" being used to confirm to the games that the rumble pak is inserted. However, the app itself just sends an hd rumble signal of "zero rumble" to the controller, so that it can then modulate it into a higher rumble when a signal in game calls for it. Anything without HD rumble, when it gets that "zero rumble" hd rumble signal, just interprets it as a "rumble" signal, and just starts going nuts. And that happens when you connect to the app at all. As such, the only things that work with the app initially were joycons, pro controllers, and the n64 controller which seems to have been specially designed to interpret those signals in a unique way. That's my best layman guess for what's happening, and I would assume 3rd party controllers that have managed to fix that issue have managed to create some sort of firmware fix that makes them ignore an HD rumble signal of zero, probably similarly to how the n64 controller itself does it (I wouldn't be surprised if they ripped apart the NSO N64 controller and looked into its firmware just to figure that out).
Yeah. Cranking up the resolution reveals a lot of ugly stuff that was originally hidden by CRT blur. Actually graphics were often done that way specifically to use that blur for visual effects to look a certain way.
It's great except for the frog mini game to get that 2nd piece of heart. Oh my God! It's impossible to get because the joystick doesn't work properly AND the sequence changes. Didn't do that on the 64.
Well, if it's showing for either, it works for any version. At the very least, the N64 tutorials will work guaranteed. Input lag + first time trying the tricks will make it very hard to get it. Just keep trying!
Nintendo: we added mm and make some minor fixes to the ocarina of time version! Zfg: "Your not slick nintendo, Im onto Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu" Nintendo: "intense breathing"
Only nice thing about it not being another oot 100% speedrun video is it gives me a break to think up more subscribe comments. Really running out of steam
gotta love how some people in chat are actually defending this and giving out props to nintendo for "not just putting out the game without fixes". Wtf is wrong with you? Where are your standards? This is not worth any money, period.
There is no excuse for them not making a native port. They literally have the original source code. Heck fans managed to cleanly reverse engineer the entire game without any source code at all.
"MM on the original NSO release is really bad"? Huh? As the first guy to get MM to boot on NSO... It was quite good. As usual, you are overly critical of switch/NSO. To be accurate though, there were stutters. That's probably what you were thinking of as being "really bad", as there is little doubt that when NSO first came out everyone was grasping to find things to dump on and exaggerate. The stutters are fixed in the official release, purely because NERD provided pre-compiled shader cache. The stutters happened when trying to generate the shaders in real time as called. It happens to all custom added games. Anyway, as for OoT and if it was specifically worked on or just happens to work from MM's work. No. Evidence is, it was specifically worked on. There were changes to the config file. That water temple texture issue itself was manually fixed. The blue warps would require the same fix, but they just missed it. Your water temple critique was used front and center in all the articles about the app release. So they were well aware of that and had to fix it. The blue warp, not so much. And FYI... yes. The control mapping is atrocious! Dump away on that! Even hacking the files, I haven't been able to fix that yet. Addressing the control mapping really should be their #1 issue.
When you open with "First" it almost certain you're a liar. When you bringing up you're "First" has nothing to do with the core discussion it is almost certain you're an attention seeking liar. ...which means it was a terrible service and you're saying this to get people upset. As someone who has no experience with the service either way... congrats. You convinced me to not get it!
@@Buglin_Burger7878 When you respond to someone like that, having no idea who they are or what you are talking about, like you... you prove yourself an idiot. I can guarantee my knowledge and what I have said. But my purpose isn't to come here throwing my weight or cred around willy-nilly. I'm just casually commenting on a YT video to correct false and exaggerated information. I'm a big ZFG fan, since around 2015. But... he likes to get overly negative with things like this at times, and people see him as an authority of info. So its frustrating when he spreads bad info and baseless negativity. Even when he admits he doesn't know something completely, as he did in this video, people still take his word to the extreme and as gospel simply because of his history and knowledge alone. There has been an incredible amount of negativity for the sake of being negative and seeming superior from others about the emulator, and a lot of it cites ZFG. It has it's issues. Sure. There is plenty to complain about. Just not everything that people do or cite as reasons. In reality, the emu is quite competent with few truly major issues that effect the average user. As for you not getting the service? Oh noes! Some random idiot in a YT comment doesn't want to support Nintendo in something I have no stake in! What am I going to do? How am I going to sleep at night!?! But seriously, for how I am effected... its win/win. One less idiot I will have to deal with.
My issue is, most people in this comment section and ZFG himself is looking at this version of OOT in comparison to literally the best versions of the game that are the best versions to speedrun, not just a good version to casually play. These fixes only matter to speedrunners, there's only so much you can fix where the casual player will actually notice
@@Kj-so7zd Exactly. It gets lost that ZFG's major critiques are of it in a speed-running sense. Where as an average casual gamer is completely different. Minor input lag over other versions and a bunch of nit picking texture issues like blue warp and bomb effect... in trade for a high res, easily available version of the game that runs on a portable device? Don't think for a second that if the switch version was found to have some sort of significant time save for speedrunning, that ZFG and others would switch in a second, adapt to the control issues and forget about the textures very quickly. And in the case of MM, last I heard... I think thats happening.
The VC version isn't for purists, competitive speedrunners, etc, etc etc. Never was, never will be. Revisiting the game for the first time after original hardware, it was totally fine, even before the update. Would I like to be able to map buttons different? Yeah absolutely. Are there other changes that would be nice? For sure. Was it unplayable before? No. That narrative was always absurd.
It was unplayable for all people who would be revisiting the game, i.e. the aforementioned "purists", speedrunners, "etc etc etc". People who are playing the game for the first time wouldn't notice how bad it was, but if that's the best thing you can say about your *premium* emulation service then it should not be being sold at all, especially not for a pricetag like NSO. The main issue wasn't that it was 'unplayable', it's that Nintendo goes out of their way to shut down ROM sharing and unofficial emulation and then fails to provide an adequate alternative. The NSO 1.0 state of OOT was absolutely pathetic, it ruined the atmosphere of the game and had *noticable* input lag even to casual players. That is not acceptable. Edit: Forgot to mention, *Nintendo can't even compete with their own (decade old!!!) emulation service.* What the fuck is your excuse for their laziness?
They could've easily just mapped the C buttons to the D-pad. Or just let you remap the damn buttons.
Or even keep the control scheme they used for the Gamecube controller. Which has fewer buttons than the Switch Pro controller. And use the time they spent remapping the controls on properly mapping analog stick values.
But then you wouldn't buy the $80 N64 switch controller :^)
You *can* remap buttons through the switch settings themselves, but it’s definitely much less convenient
@@bubblewrap8823 You can't map C-Right to a single button though
They didn't seem to want to do game-to-game binding, so that was out of the question. But also, there's a lot of times you want to move and hit c buttons simultaneously, something that would require some truly fantastic piano grips in this situation.
The layout's main problem is that it's designed to be inflexible. It assumes you can't rebind anything. So it ignores L3 and R3, it makes sure controls are possible for every button prompt, and it sets the shoulders in such a way that Z, L, and R are always accessible. The face c buttons are the ones that were closest to A and B, which are set as they are so that new players don't get confused by prompts, but are also among the most useful (they're all you need for starfox 64, they're two item recalls in ocarina and majora, etc). The ability to use a stick for c buttons, the ability to use a modifier key to turn your face buttons into c buttons, and the layout of the shoulders are all compromises for this. Having the controls change contextually would "make sense", but the goal wasn't to make sense. The goal was to present a product that was functionally plug-and-play, such that controls never needed rebinding. Problem is, people /want/ to rebind, people want to change settings and use things how they want. This is a... passable... default, but not being able to change c buttons or modifiers is the killer. Whoever high up in design insisted that the platform be inflexibly functional should be fired alongside whatever legal executives think taking down scans of a 25 year old book does anything for them but tank their stock.
I remember before the update when I got all the way to the end of the haunted wasteland.. turned around and could see the start of it ! LMAO
Watching only TH-cam highlights feels like I watch the anime while stream watchers are reading the manga LOL
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Never heard this better described
ex dee
Reading TH-cam comments is the Netflix adaptation.
Nerd!
Thank god the intro wasn't there, else I would've thought this was an OOT 100% speedrunning video!
ZFG isn't coming at us with a 100% speedrun? Day ruined.
Week ruined
ditto.
Life ruined
He was muted :(
0:08 he was muted, that explains why
Seems like the color differences have to do with alpha channels/z plane stuff. Would explain why the things with transparency look wrong (the warps, the crystal the warp puts you in, the motion blur, the bombs)
those explosion effects in MM are bizarre. it seems much brighter and the smoke lasts longer. i wonder why they changed it for the switch release.
Rip Iconic Intro. Sadge. (For Now at least. FeelsOkayMan)
I was hoping this was saying there’s a new OOT Switch update for today… But it’s the old update from February 😞
Same ರ╭╮ರ
Dry slow
Where is my daily dosis of zfg Routing a 100% run
For NSO, I just hold ZR for all the C buttons, it's made life so much easier. C-right was annoying, but ZR turns all the buttons on the right in the Cs and so I just do what I call the "ZR-Cs" and it immediately made everything better.
I think he knows hence him saying "its still a button combo". I think that probably just doesnt feel natural or something.
I don't know why they didn't just NOT do that (the Switch has more than enough buttons), and let you remap buttons on your own for each game.
I would have made the defaults be:
A -> A
B -> B
X -> C-Right
Y -> C-Left
R -> C-Down
L -> C-Up
ZR -> R (Shield)
ZL -> Z
D-Pad -> D-Pad (I think this just toggles the minimap? If N64 L is the minimap, put that on D-Pad Up.)
Plus -> Start/Pause
Minus -> Save State Menu
L (or D Pad) going unmapped is fine.
The modifier is surprisingly good, but I still want c-right
I didn't know that was a thing. Thank you. You just made my Banjo-Kazooie run so much easier.
Just emulate the game and stop paying Nintendo
Gratz on the 100k subs!
I'm glad that ZFG fixed OoT on the switch.
Some tricks are still jankie for MM. I can get most but the input lag is still an issue. Hopefully Nintendo keeps at it.
Been practicing on Switch for a while. As a new runner who only knows the route to Bottom of the Well, it feels playable.
tbh i think the graininess on the motion blur effect is actually accurate and was just simply unnoticeable for years due to a. the n64's low resolution, and b. prior emulators both by nintendo and by fans failing to emulate it properly. GlideN64 has the effect too.
This actually looks really good. Way more crisp than I expected
I've been waiting for this one, now we are post-OOT update, into the good shit
hey guys, this is actually a ZFG 100% speedrun video, his mic was muted
the grain on the blur effect is actually accurate, it was just unnoticeable on the n64's 240p resolution and every other subsequent rerelease had the blur effect emulated improperly, losing the grain effect
NSO has an annoying vibrating glitch with second and third party controllers and the controller just constantly vibrates.
Does he use an unofficial GameCube controller? It'd be funny if it was a Nintendo-made one and it still had that vibrating issue!
@@qactustick The NSO app has that problem even with official gamecube controllers, because those official gamecube controllers still have to go through adapters, and that problem persists even with the first-party adapter, because that adapter and that controller don't have HD Rumble. I think it's a problem with the way that N64 app handles the problem of emulating the rumble pak. What I assume they do is use HD rumble, with the signal that "it exists" being used to confirm to the games that the rumble pak is inserted. However, the app itself just sends an hd rumble signal of "zero rumble" to the controller, so that it can then modulate it into a higher rumble when a signal in game calls for it. Anything without HD rumble, when it gets that "zero rumble" hd rumble signal, just interprets it as a "rumble" signal, and just starts going nuts. And that happens when you connect to the app at all. As such, the only things that work with the app initially were joycons, pro controllers, and the n64 controller which seems to have been specially designed to interpret those signals in a unique way.
That's my best layman guess for what's happening, and I would assume 3rd party controllers that have managed to fix that issue have managed to create some sort of firmware fix that makes them ignore an HD rumble signal of zero, probably similarly to how the n64 controller itself does it (I wouldn't be surprised if they ripped apart the NSO N64 controller and looked into its firmware just to figure that out).
Sorry the rumbling is making this far funnier than it should be
That grain is normal, iirc. It just looks worse thanks to the increased resolution.
Yeah. Cranking up the resolution reveals a lot of ugly stuff that was originally hidden by CRT blur. Actually graphics were often done that way specifically to use that blur for visual effects to look a certain way.
maybe the blur was a screen space effect so higher internal resolution makes it less blurry
God bless the return of the cold opening!
Right on GameCube controller should be the Y or X button whichever is on the right side of the button layout
3ds version is the only way I revisit this masterpiece
I wish they would’ve allowed that version on switch or just remaster it , oot is a huge fan favorite and it would sell crazy
Have you tried using the right analog stick for the c buttons
that explosion looked like wind waker colors or something on it
I have the N64 version. Ima go play it now. I have 2 and a 1/2 dungeons left
It's great except for the frog mini game to get that 2nd piece of heart. Oh my God! It's impossible to get because the joystick doesn't work properly AND the sequence changes. Didn't do that on the 64.
Can you do a tutorial of Temple door skip and show how to make it easier because I tried on the switch but all tutorials are for N64 or GameCube
Well, if it's showing for either, it works for any version. At the very least, the N64 tutorials will work guaranteed. Input lag + first time trying the tricks will make it very hard to get it. Just keep trying!
The only thing I wish I could do, is change how the ocarina notes to the way they were on the DS
:30 that is a weird glitch. Pause before he exits the door fully. Interesting.
What's the channel he's speaking of?
So, no Any% Fogless TAS?
So, by now, can someone tell me what problems are left to be fixed in this switch version of the game?
Does the C-stick not work on NSO?
inverted camera for shingshot and bow is criminal . definitely not worth it
100k subs whowow!!
Checkout this n00b wearing the red tunic in the fire temple..
Does Get Item Manipulation still crash?
sudden moment but is this Switch port based on 0.9 version of OoT
What's the Japanese input lag channel called?
I also would like to know
Why can't you use the c-stick for c buttons again?
Because using a stick for a button press kinda sucks
I hope they put this 3DS version on the switch at some point. Because they are starting to phase out the Nintendo 3DS systems.
Eren Yeager is at it again.
anyone got that japanese input lag channel?
Before it was unplayable but now I think this is an alright way to play oot if you haven’t yet
I can't have the vibration on with my pro controller while playing oot on switch, it never stops vibrating
Damn, no more OoT 100% speedrun videos :zfgAnyways:
No intro
Me: rushes to comment section
OOT Pleasure Mode activate!
Vector rendering is still bad if that Nintendo 64 logo is anything to go by
When is this game going to be remastered for switch?
Never prob
I wish I knew who this guy is and what game/category is he streaming
My youtube vanced skips ur intro...smth that didnt happen to the old "hello/hey guys"
just sayin
A zfg layout without a sidebar looks wack
3:40
Cool they even though about the female audience
oh.
I'm glad I can count on ZFG to not run a joke into the ground.
Angry ZFG. Don't mess up Zelda64 games, Nintendo.
The emulator has always Some problems
Didn't this happen forever ago?
they have oot on nintendo switch ? can you buy it or is it some kind of download
Nintendo: we added mm and make some minor fixes to the ocarina of time version!
Zfg: "Your not slick nintendo, Im onto Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu"
Nintendo: "intense breathing"
He must record intros for every kind of video!
Hey guys, zfg here bringing you another nso testing video
How did you get the titles in Japanese
How do I know what kind of video this is without an intro from the TH-camr telling me he is coming to me with???
Please stop
How come there such a large gap between stream and video
Editing
Editor took an extended break around christmas. Channel's catching back up rn.
@@TheWrathAbove ah, makes sense
Nope. The only way to fix it is to allow you to buy the game independently of the expansion pass
man.... i already did all the game and its 100% worth it, everything works flawlessly.
Only nice thing about it not being another oot 100% speedrun video is it gives me a break to think up more subscribe comments. Really running out of steam
gotta love how some people in chat are actually defending this and giving out props to nintendo for "not just putting out the game without fixes". Wtf is wrong with you? Where are your standards? This is not worth any money, period.
Wait why do you have a hookshot with young link?
Still very laggy on switch
I've never played either switch version of OoT or MM but why can't they just bind the c-buttons to directions on the right stick?
It is
@@DorienTheHeroOfTheArts then why isn’t c-right bound correctly?
@@brett1908 idk, I usually just use the right stick. It's pretty dumb that the controls aren't remappable
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There is no excuse for them not making a native port. They literally have the original source code. Heck fans managed to cleanly reverse engineer the entire game without any source code at all.
"MM on the original NSO release is really bad"? Huh? As the first guy to get MM to boot on NSO... It was quite good. As usual, you are overly critical of switch/NSO.
To be accurate though, there were stutters. That's probably what you were thinking of as being "really bad", as there is little doubt that when NSO first came out everyone was grasping to find things to dump on and exaggerate. The stutters are fixed in the official release, purely because NERD provided pre-compiled shader cache. The stutters happened when trying to generate the shaders in real time as called. It happens to all custom added games.
Anyway, as for OoT and if it was specifically worked on or just happens to work from MM's work. No. Evidence is, it was specifically worked on. There were changes to the config file. That water temple texture issue itself was manually fixed. The blue warps would require the same fix, but they just missed it. Your water temple critique was used front and center in all the articles about the app release. So they were well aware of that and had to fix it. The blue warp, not so much.
And FYI... yes. The control mapping is atrocious! Dump away on that! Even hacking the files, I haven't been able to fix that yet. Addressing the control mapping really should be their #1 issue.
exactly! $50 a year is absolutely fine for a 20 year old game that now performs worse than on original hardware! you got it dude
When you open with "First" it almost certain you're a liar. When you bringing up you're "First" has nothing to do with the core discussion it is almost certain you're an attention seeking liar.
...which means it was a terrible service and you're saying this to get people upset.
As someone who has no experience with the service either way... congrats. You convinced me to not get it!
@@Buglin_Burger7878 When you respond to someone like that, having no idea who they are or what you are talking about, like you... you prove yourself an idiot.
I can guarantee my knowledge and what I have said. But my purpose isn't to come here throwing my weight or cred around willy-nilly. I'm just casually commenting on a YT video to correct false and exaggerated information. I'm a big ZFG fan, since around 2015. But... he likes to get overly negative with things like this at times, and people see him as an authority of info. So its frustrating when he spreads bad info and baseless negativity. Even when he admits he doesn't know something completely, as he did in this video, people still take his word to the extreme and as gospel simply because of his history and knowledge alone. There has been an incredible amount of negativity for the sake of being negative and seeming superior from others about the emulator, and a lot of it cites ZFG. It has it's issues. Sure. There is plenty to complain about. Just not everything that people do or cite as reasons. In reality, the emu is quite competent with few truly major issues that effect the average user.
As for you not getting the service? Oh noes! Some random idiot in a YT comment doesn't want to support Nintendo in something I have no stake in! What am I going to do? How am I going to sleep at night!?! But seriously, for how I am effected... its win/win. One less idiot I will have to deal with.
My issue is, most people in this comment section and ZFG himself is looking at this version of OOT in comparison to literally the best versions of the game that are the best versions to speedrun, not just a good version to casually play. These fixes only matter to speedrunners, there's only so much you can fix where the casual player will actually notice
@@Kj-so7zd Exactly. It gets lost that ZFG's major critiques are of it in a speed-running sense. Where as an average casual gamer is completely different. Minor input lag over other versions and a bunch of nit picking texture issues like blue warp and bomb effect... in trade for a high res, easily available version of the game that runs on a portable device?
Don't think for a second that if the switch version was found to have some sort of significant time save for speedrunning, that ZFG and others would switch in a second, adapt to the control issues and forget about the textures very quickly. And in the case of MM, last I heard... I think thats happening.
Still looks better on 3ds
No. The 3ds fixed it and they should have used that version.
Lol people should just buy n64 I have gold edition cartridge version 1.0 Zelda ocarina of time
Fixed? You can't buy it, you pay for subscription to stream it. How is it fixed?
The VC version isn't for purists, competitive speedrunners, etc, etc etc. Never was, never will be.
Revisiting the game for the first time after original hardware, it was totally fine, even before the update. Would I like to be able to map buttons different? Yeah absolutely. Are there other changes that would be nice? For sure. Was it unplayable before? No. That narrative was always absurd.
It was unplayable for all people who would be revisiting the game, i.e. the aforementioned "purists", speedrunners, "etc etc etc". People who are playing the game for the first time wouldn't notice how bad it was, but if that's the best thing you can say about your *premium* emulation service then it should not be being sold at all, especially not for a pricetag like NSO. The main issue wasn't that it was 'unplayable', it's that Nintendo goes out of their way to shut down ROM sharing and unofficial emulation and then fails to provide an adequate alternative. The NSO 1.0 state of OOT was absolutely pathetic, it ruined the atmosphere of the game and had *noticable* input lag even to casual players. That is not acceptable.
Edit: Forgot to mention, *Nintendo can't even compete with their own (decade old!!!) emulation service.* What the fuck is your excuse for their laziness?
@@liyifenn lol, chill it wasn't that bad and take it easy I don't work at Nintendo
Why SAY oot and mm? Just say the names of the games lol. I don't think they fixed anything, it's just an actual N64 rom.
because its shorter
No Ocarina of Time 100% speedrunning video? Unsubscribing.