I fixed the New N64 Controller's Thumbstick because I hated it
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I have lots of problems with the original N64 controller, and lots of problems with the new Nintendo Switch Online - Nintendo 64 situation. So, I decided to see what I could do about that...
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Really living up to the “Modder known as Wulff Den” title! Please replace the MacBook Pro trackpad with a N64 thumbstick next.
you got it boss
lmfao
“I replaced a Macbook Pro trackpad with a N64 thumbstick. You won’t believe what happened next!”
🤣🤣
@@LuiBC3 uP
Can we take a second to talk about 4:00?
No. Also, how dare you.
Pls no 😂
Yes.
awwwww man the fact then i went to that moment in time...
i am blind !!!
only for a sec
Bob learned to use a soldering iron and there's NOTHING he wont mod
Honestly, I would do the same
“Takes the controller away”
“Willhelm scream!”
You can actually just solder to the opposite pin of the potentiometer to flip the polarity. The middle pin is the variable slider/wiper, and the two ends are the range of resistance. So the length of distance is inverted from the middle to each end, if that makes sense.
This is the way!
was thinking same thing.
Dang, and there I was thinking about how you could convert the signal somehow with extra circuitry between the connectors 😅
Do you know of a good website or video explaining this way to do this mod?
Can you?
I thought the other 2 pins were Gnd & Voltage in, as in, no output signal, just a constant voltage
Did this same gamecube style stick swap years ago. Feels good on first use but you'll begin noticing its not as precise as an OG stick. My Life in Gaming has a good pretty video covering it.
Aftermarket sticks tend to have a high sensitivity than OG sticks. This isn't such a big deal if you can calibrate the stick. If you can calibrate the stick in the controller menu, everything is good.
Its a big deal on original hardware because there is no way to calibrate the stick.
That the same issue I had with the over sensitive 3rd party ones also put sole silicone grease in the stick box it lasts so much longer
I’ve been doing that for years
On the original thumb sticks
We had this issue. We modded all four of our N64 controllers with aftermarket sticks and none of them worked right. It really shows in games like Super Mario 64. You kinda just have to deal with original sticks if you want the games to feel right.
the 3 hand controller bit in the beginning earned you an upvote lol
*cops bust into bobs apartment*
Bob: It's not coke it's N64 stick box plastic I swear!
I did this with an OG n64 controller. Found it really didn't respond as well on fps games. Wasn't as precise.
Yeah those GC style stick replacements are terrible. They make it insanely difficult to do any slight movement of the stick. No sneaking, walking, or aiming just a bit to the left.
I did this recently. Got a new stick that's not OEM, rather aftermarket that looks like the original one. The plastic on the inside grounds itself, which is the big issue with those things. I couldn't find the steelstick 64, which that requires greasing once in a while.
all you need to do is cut the 2 traces on the outer pins and when you do the soldering flip the two outer connections. this could have been done soo much simpler lol
Or just use the Mayflash adaptor and pick whatever N64 controller you want!
Yeeeeees, I, really was wondering why he didn't just swap the connections as well, but I don't know too much about electronics, but it did seem like a viable option
Man I just LOVE your ad spots 😂
Others should learn a thing or two from you
Keep up the great work
I love all your controller mod videos! I appreciate all the time and effort you put into the videos
It’s so funny when people say you “need” the c buttons for Ocarina of Time, because my first experience with the game was The Legend of Zelda Collector’s Edition on the GameCube. After that, the next time I played it was on the Wii using a GameCube controller. So I’m used to using the c stick as the c buttons, and the right stick of the pro controller feels mostly natural. Since the pro controller doesn’t have gates sometimes I’ll try to use c down and end up using c right, but other than that it’s been a very normal playthrough for me.
Same with A and B. Everyone is so annoyed that A is A and B is B because they feel like the joy-con/pro controller’s Y should function as B. But the GameCube has A and B oriented in the same way as the pro controller, albeit with a much larger A.
Take a moment to think about this....
C buttons
C stick
C stick is yellow
@@skilarbabcock yeah no, we all get that. Bob said in the video that you “need the c buttons” and that it doesn’t work well using the right stick on the joy cons or pro controller. OP of this comment is saying they’re used to using the stick from having used the c-stick when playing with the GameCube controller back in the day. You talking about the c-stick is literally just talking in circles about the point he literally just made.
Thank you. Finally someone gets it. I'm so used to using a Wii Classic Controller that it's a non-issue for me as well. I usually map the bow/slingshot to C-Down so that I can pull back on the stick like you would pull back on a bowstring.
(Still not getting the NSO expansion, though. I have a PC and a USB gamepad, I'm all set.)
Yeah I have no idea why all the n64 boomers are so hung up on it. I had a gamecube as my first with the collectors edition zelda, and the c stick wasn't too bad, but I did prefer using x, y, and z. Those n64 kids woulda never survived the gamecube. Not even mentioning the shooters on gcn vs 64
On N64 and GC controllers, the thumbs naturally rest on B and A. On Switch, they naturally rest on Y and B.
Y should've been B, B should've been A. I have the same complaint for Ocarina of Time 3D and Majora's Mask 3D.
The stick on the N64, imo, is the best feeling stick, when new, of any controller. It's resistance makes it easier to move at speeds lower than 100%. Modding it to be basically a gc control stick is insane.
The Gamecube had the best feeling sticks because they were rubberized , had the grooves and weren't torture devices for your palms.
@@SynthLizard8 there is no reason to palm the thumb stick.
The only reason you’d attempt such a maneuver is if you attempt to recklessly churn the stick around extremely quickly, which damages the controller.
I never had one, but you can tell just by looking at the lever that it was a controller built to be actually analogical. A stick with a meaningful degree of movement, not the weird stubby quasi-digital thumbsticks that we use today.
Use Steel Stick 64 instead if you mod.
@@futurewario9591 are steel sticks available?
The bomberman 64 music at the beginning brings back memories
Well done sir! Going the distance to get that board flipped is simply insane.
I'd love to get my hands on one and try my hand at fixing some of the headaches you encountered. I'd expect the x-axis flip to be easily accomplished by just a couple of traces sliced and rewired to flip voltage and ground on the x potentiometer.
Edit: The challenge here is desoldering the board so no contact is made to ground or 3.3V and if you slice the traces the ground on the X potentiometer becomes less than easy to cut based on the existing board design.
@@layershift8308 it absolutely would work that way. The voltage output determines the position. If you invert the voltage, you invert the position
Well since it looks like this new controller uses potentiometers as opposed to the optical sensors on the original N64 controller. Yes, yes it will get stick drift. Probably not before it wears out though...
What are optical sensors
@@diamonshade7484 Photoresistor
I'm glad the reverb problem from a few vids ago has gone away. Great vid as always!
I did the mod on this antique shop n64 that came with a controller I opened it up to fix the stick and bam white powder and so brittle I broke it and I grabbed that mod and did it and works great a bit sensitive but Not bad. Great that u did it to the new one lol. luv the intro.
Big fan of your work, Bob! I wish you would link to the songs you use in your videos. Really jamming out to the first song in this one!
My original N64 controllers aren’t broken, but then again I’ve never played Mario Party lol. With all the hours put into Mario 64, OOT, MM, B-K, Goodeneye, and all the others though, my sticks are still in good shape.
Same! And I love the feel of the original sticks. A bit disappointed that the optical sensors have been replaced by potentiometers in the new version.
Did you just say..... *you've never played mario party before?*
*goldeneye
@@Geobot3000 You have to understand, not everyone has played every game that’s ever-wait, hold on, put that chair down!
@@Hibernial *YEET THE CHAIR*
You unlocked such a deep memory for me. I completely forgot about how hotels used to have those n64 controllers and you could rent and play games just like how you could rent movies in your room.
My parents never let me back in the day :/ you couldn't save either which kinda sucked.
I remember renting a whole bunch of games and my parents getting a 200$ bill. Games were Super Mario 64, Rampage.
That Wilhelm scream
Great video as always, would have loved a headphones warning before the bit where you filed down the stick box. That gave me the heebie jeebies.
I would have cut the traces on the board for the x axis, then reversed the pos and neg supply on just the x axis, maintaining the axis read trace so that reding gets inverted back to normal
To avoid the wear of the N64 analog stick for cheap, open it up, and lube it in all the necessary places with high quality silicon lubricant.
I suggest the ShinEtsu used for the Seimitsu LS-32, which is a high grade high durability arcade stick OR the ShinEtsu G-40M, used on Sanwa JLF arcade sticks.
You do NOT need to use much and can get a tiny amount on online arcade part shops.
Oh dang, is that some Bomberman 64 music in the background? Very nice.
It seems like Bob doesn't know about Kitsch-Bent, the real most used replacement for the N64 stick. And how bad are the GC ones on the mod community...
how are the GC ones bad for the community? I don't know much about this kind of stuff
@@ghostware6057 They dont give you the exact 360 range of movement. The way they "look" for the system its in a square shape not an octagonal one. The movement is not as precise. My life in gaming has a video about it.
@@ghostware6057 This happens because the N64 stick has analog movement, not digital as a gamecube.
@@AngelGodinez that makes sense. I'll have to give it a watch
@@AngelGodinez The Gamecube stick is analog not Digital. The thing with the N64 stick is that it has an optical sensor that gives it very fine analog control kind of like a mouse
I have replaced 3 of my N64 controllers with Gamecube sticks, and the square gate and sensitivity is not the best. Works fine with platformers and games like Mario Party, but precise aiming in Goldeneye or while using a Hookshot in OOT takes a lot of effort to make small adjustments. Also one of them drifts….
Imo the reverse should be happening. Not a fan of the whole replace a perfectly working n64 stick with the gamecube mod stick. Inputs read different and it's not any different than using right analog for c stick lol. I think the problem is they did not add rubber caps. However, joy con caps are about the same in diameter.
Love the Bomberman 64 Music. Brought back a lot of memories!
I actually like the joystick. It’s perfect for N64 games. The notches are essential, and work really well. And with how tall the joystick is you can use it multiple ways. Some games I even grip it with all 5 fingers, pinch mode, and have very accurate movement. Only time I hate it is when it’s Mario party lol
Though the fact that it will become loose over time from the plastic grinding is a massive issue. And the plastic top is not great. If Nintendo made the stick have a rubber top and made of a material that doesn't degrade over time, than people wouldn't be complaining as much
@@teneesh3376 Yeah, I want a 360 joystick in mine, I've found them to be just perfect for me, the height with the size of the indent was just perfect, I've never found a controller better than that since, I don't get what they did with the Xbox 1 triggers man, I just can't use them, those fat things are just too cumbersome for me, my brain just doesn't register them as triggers, the way I have to use the finger tips on them is super weird.
I mean, there's a fking reason guns don't have fat fukn lumps for triggers.
Anyway, I don't know why the 64 controller has 6 pins yet, but I definitely want to get 1 of those newer sticks working in it, even if I have to learn microcode & get a circuitboard made up, that'd be so cool too me
I dropped a GameCube stick into one of my N64 controllers about 2 years ago. It worked well for some games, but it was WAY too sensitive for some others. The biggest issue was trying to play F-Zero X. It is night and day between the original and a GC stick. I found F-Zero X to be playable, but I could not win many races with it... So is that still "playable" ? IDK.
I totally agree. F zero x was not very playable with the game cube stick in the n64 controller. And f zero x was one of my favourite n64 games.
@@stevied6965 Im total crap at F-Zero X but Im with you, its one of my fav racers of all time. I love GX as well, but X is special man.
11:26 Oh wow, it looks like the stick is way off centre in the gate there. That means you're going to be able to move the stick more in some directions and less in others.
I was thinking the same thing.
Now put the insides of a GameCube controller into the N64 controller and it will be perfect.
I hear that replacing that replacing the n64 stick does not retain the authentic movement and deadzones that the original has. So there are justifications for keeping that authenticity in the new n64 controller.
Correct
I mod two of my n64 controllers with a gamecube stick, not the one that yoy simply replace, i mean i mod the gearbox and still use the optical sensors on the n64 control to preserve sensibility, its amazing it works, i even tested the controllers on the n64 controller test program and the results are very close to an original oem controller with the durability of the gamecube stick
One weird thing on these replacement GC style sticks is that the shorter shaft (sic) makes the controller less precise and the finer movement needed in some places in SM64 and ocarina of time are bit harder to achieve because of that. It's better than a worn down og stick, but a new one I think is still superior for N64 games
I agree and they did lubricate the bowl to prevent wear. I think doing the gamecube one unless it's just for comfort is a bit wasteful for getting a more accurate way of playing it. Hell, Digital inputs don't last long either as drift happens a lot on modern controllers as well. Analog just has wear and tear as an issue over something like a Dpad
ok normally I hate ads, but so long as you're having fun with them like this, keep it coming lol
This is some serious dedication xD hahah. Great video. So dumb they didn't improve the controller on the remake.
The Bomberman track made me watch the whole video. Well done 😂
omg, that bomberman music at the beginning was so nostalgic!
The camera add thingy reminded me a lot of The Nostalgia critic, same kind of energy
That Bomberman OST at the Intro Hmmmfff! Just right.
Blue resort from Bobmerman 64 is the name of the song at the begining of the video and I LOVE IT SO MUCH!!!!!
Weird coincidence, I just did this two videos ago. Glad the word is getting out there that these mods exist.
If you buy the new N64 official controller just to change its most important component, I don't know what to say.
To avoid the wear of the N64 analog stick for cheap, open it up, and lube it in all the necessary places with high quality silicon lubricant.
I suggest the ShinEtsu used for the Seimitsu LS-32, which is a high grade high durability arcade stick OR the ShinEtsu G-40M, used on Sanwa JLF arcade sticks.
That sweet Bomberman64 music.
i got the "Yobo Gameware" controller cuz i was never able to get ahold of the og 64 controller, and the stick actually feels great! its not modeled like the 64s stick and i have no issues with it so far! also i got the version that actually looks just like a 64 controller
Is the audio on this video more compressed than usual? Something is kinda weird about the dynamic range and timbre, but I don't know enough to know what it is.
Good content, Bob!
You make the best controller review videos my friend! Hats off to you Wulff
Before I got a n64, I was skeptical that the stick was really that bad. When I finally did, I realized that it *was* really that bad. So, I ordered this replacement exact replacement stick for me to replace my controller’s really bad sticks. Thanks for the video!
This is why I like your channel. Plus your sarcastic comedic timing
You can use this in 3d all stars as well as Mario party superstars not with all mini games tho as some require the x and y buttons
Ive been waiting for this!
Lol at the Apple logo on the Switch dock. I get it.
I don't feel like I've ever been as bored watching a video on TH-cam as I was here today!
man, it made me so happy to hear Blue Resort from Bomberman 64 after so long.
5:16 looks like you may have taken a bump of that "joystick powder" before this clip. That jaw is moving!
That Bomberman 64 music. 👌😩
this man puts his mind BODY and soul ( 4:00 ) in all the videos he makes
hey wulf den would it be possible to mod one of these controllers into having the transfer back or no if not could it be possible to make a original n64 controller wireless!?
So you replaced the authentic feeling stick with the gamecube-type stick that I lament being the only major option for refurbishing my original 64 controllers? The ones with the abysmal dead-zones?
I use the mayflash adapter, they figured out how to get it to work perfectly on the switch now
I found out today that Super Mario 3D All Stars got an update that adds support for the NSO N64 controller too.
Dang, there isn't some way to reverse the polarity of the outputs for the potentiometer?
Cut tracks and reverse the v+ and gnd will reverse the signal.
Awesome job Bob!
You really went out of your way to mod this stick
But I wonder how did you adapt the connector to the controller?
the original connector uses 6 wires and the connector on the new controller uses only 4
And alternatively I think you could dessolder the legs on the potentiometer and swap them on the connections by using wires, so this way you could swap the directions without having to file everything down, but in the end it is still working as intended!
The old N64 controller used a quadrature encoder, so 6 wires out to get data to the controller. The new N64 controller has the same functional design as the old one but instead uses potentiometers to send the stick position to the controller. Since the mod he bought was designed for the old one the rotation of the potentiometers didn't matter in that solution but here it had to be rotated to map X+ and X- properly.
@@layershift8308wouldn't soldering the legs on the opposite position fix this? I mean if you got a wire and switched the connections for X- and X+ this would also work... if not then the best solution would be making a custom pcb and soldering the analog stick to it in the new position
It would be more expensive though but it would also allow you to use better quality parts even a better stick box
@@VKsChannel On the new N64 controller there is no X+ and X-. The gc mod that Bahb picked up is made that way since it was made for the old controller and it had a chip on back that has no label so I don't know its exact function but it effectively made the modern analog into something the old controller could read.
The new controller is just Ground, X signal, Y signal, and 3.3 volt. So with this mod we totally ignored the 6 pin connector that it had and just soldered to the potentiometers with 4 wires.
I would agree that a custom PCB would make the most sense here.
@@layershift8308 then he could just dessolder the stick and drill holes on the Pcb to get the stick to fit in the. Right direction
The way the modded stick points upwards looks like it reduces the distance that stick can travel if you were to make your character walk forward.. did you have to tweak stick sensitivity or deadzones? How can you reduce forward movement by half and still have an effective controller?
i just opped for cleaning and lubing the stickbox and it typically tightens a stickbox back up as long as nothings broken within. however a 1 for 1 - 8bitdo stick would be nice for this
man i feel for you i did the same thing with a cheap wired usb n64 controller totally worth but a pain in the but
I wish Nintendo or someone else would sell replacement joysticks for the original N64 controllers
I'd buy a lifetime supply
I nearly passed out hearing that intro music, its Bomberman! :) 64 I think anyways
“God damn it!” Was the best part of video. 🤣
Can you do a review on the new 8bito N64 Modkit which can be used with orginal stick or their new hall effect joystick when it comes out please!
Heya!
Do you have some inside info when the N64 will be available again for purchase? ;)
Didn't these thumb sticks had a flaw that made Golden Eye unplayable?. I also saw tests where mario or link wouldn't run in a perfect circle?. Something about the deadzone. Where they fixed?.
The Original thumb stick for this controller (on switch) is still smoother than the original (on Nintendo 64) by 20 or so years now.
I honestly consider to buy these Hyperkin adapters and grab a couple of these GC style sticks from eBay as I still have a bunch of N64 controllers flying around.
Just _how_ bad is it compared with the real deal?
I did the lube mod on my old N64 controller, made it feel better than new and really helped minimize the plastic grinding.
Next you should do the genesis controller and if it works with the sets collection
What song is that in the beginning? Is it bomberman on n64 i forget
Sure is.
Well that answers the big question I was wondering about the joysticks on these. Truly baffled that Nintendo would stick with the OG stick design knowing full well it's going to wear down over time. This entire 64 Switch addition is a mess....sigh.
Seems like a good opportunity for a 3d printed solution to hold the thumbstick in the new orientation.
Do these have the deadzone issue?
So theoretically since it's possible more ideally you could just redesign the board and connector and use the housing for the older controller maybe one of the replacement sticks use that housing for the new design of the board and connector so that it works more like a easier mod than the headache that you gave yourself. Maybe somebody could design a board like such using pcbway or one of the many different services like such.
I want it not for switch online but for project 64. Having access to the whole 64 library with an official wireless 64 controller sounds great.
Man that bomber man 64 music took me back.
Switch dock with an apple logo looks cursed as fuck
0:18 I'm triggered
What is the step ladder effect? I have been using a usb controller on my laptop and I can’t aim in Goldeneye because the stick is too sticky and I can’t aim fine amounts.
You can configure your controller layout it’s in setting at the very bottom in controller
That Bomberman 64 intro music hit different.
Most entertaining ads on TH-cam, Bob! Soooooo funny
This could have all been avoided if Nintendo had just released a N64 Classic while using Wii nunchuck or even Wii U GamePad sticks in the controllers. I'm sure they've got plenty of those parts lying around.
I'll probably get more use out of this on PC than I ever will on Switch because of how weird the mapping is with no way to change it. The Magic-NS and BetterJoy don't support this right now unfortunately, and I have no idea how to map the buttons properly in Steam Big Picture. It works fine with Dolphin and Project 64 though, so that's nice.
Someone actually made their own fork for BetterJoy for it and it works pretty great! The default mapping for the C buttons is all kinds of janky but if you can remap them it should be fine
Is your intro song from Bomberman 64?!
I have 2 coming Tuesday, really need this to play the N64 games, sure the pro controller is fine and all but like you said Zelda just doesn’t feel right without using the buttons. Then IF and I mean IF we get Goldeneye the I’m gonna need the C buttons to play that. 🤣
I didnt even know this was a thing until the other day and ofc the scalpers already got to them 😭 MSRP $49.99 And I've seen these controllers, going for upwards of $120+ on eBay!
Don't buy from the scalpers. This needs to stop.
Why not just drill the octagonal gate out so it is a perfect circle? File/sand it smooth and respray.
He still wanted a gate, just one that was a bit more forgiving.
I appreciate starting an N64-related video with chill music from Bomberman 64 ^_^
I want to inform everyone in the comments that despite what Bob says and how many videos he makes doing it, he is NOT a modder 🤪 great modding Bob!
WOAH! What was that amazing music at 0:28 ???