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- I Bought the VIRPIL CM3 Throttle To See If It's As Good As They Say and today we go into a deep dive into the Virpil CM3 throttle and how it performs in DCS and Star Citizen, how the software is, its pros and cons and overall price. Come check this product out by Virpil and get my feelings on it after several months of ownership.
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I have a Virpil stick (WarBRD base + constellation) and throttle - Mongoose 50CM2. I have absolutely zero complaints, apart from the month or so of delivery time. Good to see that they're maintaining the quality of standards for their products.
Two-Way Switches: You can activate all button positions by selecting "Reset buttons logical setup" in the buttons tab and THEN manually re-assign all buttons. This way you can split the Two-way switches into two buttons AND you can activate the button functionality for the Mode Selector knob while still being able to function as a 'Shift'-button. I do advise to simply assign the SAME Logical button number to the Physical button as this is more in line with the Button Mapping Template. It is important to know that ALL button bindings in games will change: e.g. Physical button 1 is press down on the left rotary knob, but VPC default logical bind is 'Button 6'.
As a software engineer I can concur you probably need to be one to configure the software, and state as one that it's fantastic if you understand it
Honestly, I'd probably appreciate it more of I understood software engineering lol. But! If I learned more I'd probably love that you could do almost anything with it!
Both of you guys made a complete simple software into s bigger deal than it actually is.k I’ll take it over target any day.
I love my CM3 except for the software, as you mentioned. I haven't had as much luck with it as you, but your little clip helped a lot.
Definitely agree with you. If there's any topics within the software you want me to look over and try to discover/learn more in order to help, let me know! I'll be happy to ease more of people's suffering by covering how to do certain things! I think I'll go over a few things within the software to help people configure theirs.
Got this in my recommended, happy it did. Really good, calm commentary and your voice is effing soothing, keep it up👍☺️.
Looking at HOTAS for SC in the future, haven't decided yet but this definitely helps.
Haha thanks! I appreciate the kind words 😁
The Algorithm gods smiled on me today. Nice review, good solid commentary. Sub'd. Keep them coming. I have a pair of Alpha's on MogoosT gimbals, and the CM3. Monstertech mounts. Huge improvement over the 56, 52, t16000 used prior. They will last a lifetime.
Thanks for the sub and the feedback! I have to admit that the alphas are looking to be quite attractive as an option. Part of me wants to convert to dual-stick, but my time is balanced between both DCS and SC. So it becomes a struggle to find a way to easily swap out a collective for helicopters, a throttle for fighters, and a dual-stick for star citizen. First world problems I guess haha
Logitech really doesn't care about their flight sim hardware. They lost all respect from me. They took whatever Saitek was doing and ruined it with cheaper labor and the cheapest parts you could get. I bought an X-56 throttle used that was promised as fixed from ghosting, which was attempted, but not truly achieved.
I fixed the ghosting myself twisting the cables, setting them at the proper angels with one another and using ferules at the end.
I got a much better response but the throttles STILL ghost when you need them the most from time to time.
Even the Hall sensors at the top two axis were messy.
Stay away from Logitech as much as you can.
I came back here just to figure out how to do the flap to configure the F-15C module. Haven't gotten into the expensive modules yet as I want to learn how to fly better before I get into cockpit button engineer mode. I didn't want to go through one of the 20+ minute video tutorials when there's an example right here. Thanks!
Glad I could help! It's definitely info that comes in handy with modules that have the flaps set up as buttons instead of an axis.
I love this throttle. My ONLY issue is the slider (3rd finger digit on the throttle) has a terrible center 0. Deadzones (2-10)
don't help.
The software was laid out by an engineer. Its very flexible and yes, there is an acceptable learning curve just as there are more plug n play options.
Yeah that slider doesn't have the best of deadzones. I really had to mess with the settings to get something that worked well, but I did manage to get it eventually.
Thanks for your great input on the Virpil throttle! I am on the fence not because it has a steep cost, but the enormous cost to ship, if the shipping cost was at least 70% less, I would jump on it.
Definitely understandable! It's honestly one of those things that I think is worth it, but if their are cheaper alternativatives out there that don't cost much, maybe such as the Winwing, I would go that route if the cost is too high.
For me it's 70€ for tax and 20€ for shipping, so 500€ in total, and I'm currently deciding if I want to buy it lol
Nice review, subbed. Have been drooling over this throttle, but I'm also eager for the VKB TECS if it ever releases. For now my TWCS does the job.
Thank you! I saw the VKB TECS as well and while I may not purchase it for my own use, it definitely looks like a really smart design. The modularity they have planned is really unique!
TECS has been essentially scrapped by this point.
Thanks for the review, I just ordered one for fs2020 and Elite Dangerous, can't wait to try it. What's the intro song?
Awesome! Hope you're loving it! The song is "Run" by Tristan Barton
Thank you, yes, it's awesome...a bit expensive for my taste but top quality, very happy with my purchase.@@Hav0k
I get it! It's definitely spendy! Soon enough I'd like to do a review of WW's products, but we'll see where that goes.
Hello, whats the controller keypad thingy called you have visible in multiple shots?
That's my Razer Orbweaver
Great video. And yes, that software. Omg. Anyway, I was lucky to find a lightly used cm3. For a $100. Love it. But I didn't get the detents. Happy simming
Wow! That's quite the deal! Great work! I know that you can 3d Print the detents, if that helps :D
Hi, thanks. I don't have a 3D printer yet, but I did see them on ETSY. When I try to order the page goes blank. I have no idea what's going on. But that makes it sketchy. I'll try it again. thanks again happy siming@@Hav0k
Good luck! Hope you find a solution!
Would like to see your game play on star citizen and key bindings.
I had honestly been intending to post some gameplay footage in SC. Sadly my preparation for Christmas with my family has gotten me super busy the last couple weeks. But I will be working on a video here shortly!
@@Hav0k yeah I totally get it. I’ll keep an eye out for it. I’m considering getting that system.
@@gonzo7188 Virpil is a great setup and they have a ton of options for Star Citizen as well. It's great!
Yea was looking into this, but going to wait until the VKB modular throttle is out probably :)
A solid option! I'd love to do a review on that throttle if I could get my hands on it. Might be pretty cool!
@@Hav0k For sure... hopefully they release it before the holidays but it's doubtful.
@@Because_Reasons I would hope so too for a lot of the guys out there that have been waiting lol
Still waiting or did you get a throttle?
@@Solo6R Got the Virpil shortly after and have been quite happy with it.
May I ask a silly question ? ? Can I use CM3 with another brand Joystick ?? such as VKB. Many thanks . .
The cm3 hasn't interfered with any of my controls that I have. So yes, it'll work just fine with VKB and others
Many thanks Mr HavOk . . Excited about building up a new flight rig.
Agreed, Virpil software is overly complicated. It would be nice if they simplified it and even had a selection of “pre-sets”, and perhaps a tutorial...😏
I got this and it seems like im the only one who think its really plastic. Would buy a winwing or VKB´s upcomming throttle
All of the internal mechanics are Aircraft-grade Duralumin. As far as I understand the shell it's extremely high grade thick ABS plastic.
Yes, Winwing are low inertia aluminum which is pretty neat, but both of them are extremely solid and stout. Unless you're truly abusing your peripherals it doesn't matter that much with the quality they both provide.
Stupid question since i don't have a CM3, and i've been wondering this for a while but can't you use the rotary encoder (The one that sits under the 5way pyramid hat switch that would be above your thumb) for zoom? I don't think i would use the thick one for the pinky for zoom since it seems a bit out of reach and a good option for older aircraft systems or tilting the radar up and down. Also, is there no way to make the slider on the back less sensitive for zooming either in DCS or in the complicated Virpil software?
So, short answer, yes. The long answer is that while you could technically do it, it seems that when you configure it as a rotary encoder in the software, DCS ends up recognizing it as a single keypress every second which results in having to literally have to spam the rotary to zoom in even just a little bit. Thus, it isn't very effective as a zoom :(
However, I will do more research and testing and put more updates to the software as I learn or figure out how to solve issues that I struggled with in my infancy with the software.
@@Hav0k Oh right i assumed there was a fancy "rotary to axis" button somewhere but that's just wishful thinking, unless you use a program like JoyToKey or something along those lines. I totally forgot that rotary encoders are just recognized as button presses.
@@gokuta333 oh man I wish! Sadly I haven't found anything like that or really figured how I can change a button to an axis. I may have to do more research so see what else I can do
Can u do more in depth of the software? How to switch the one way switch to the 2 way switch plz and thanks?
Yes! Absolutely. I'd be happy to do this
You asked! th-cam.com/video/egxyE0QvcC0/w-d-xo.html If at all you need more in-depth details, let me know!
i've purchased my hotas warthog 7 years ago and i've almost used them daily it workes like a charm for every sim game i've played over the years , just saying :)
Thrustmaster feels and performs like a cheap toy compared to virpil
@@JSpark135 I have both and you're talking bollocks.
A marketing tool you sound.
The only thing that requires replacing in a TM Warthog set (if one currently owns and has one) is the shitty ball gimbal for a WarBrd D (a natural and much needed successor to a Cougar gimbal anyway). Even the slew has no problem if you tune it, no need to dump another $60 into it from a third party for a $5 switch and a Hammond junction box (which is what your _toys_ are made of) from eBay.
I've found the three companies TM, WW and V to be comparable in their highs and lows. The modular WinWing throttles seem like the next best option to me anyway. One make crap sticks, one makes so so throttles and sticks, one makes great sticks, but decent throttles etc. None of them are consistent.
@eustacequinlank7418 I'm ex infantry I have sat in the cockpit of several aircraft, Virgil feels like what real mil aircraft uses. TM products feel like cheap toys, there was barely a difference between my saitek/Logitech and the warthog, barely felt like an upgrade besides the feel of materials they operated the same because they are a SPRING TENSION movement.
@@JSpark135 Are you talking about the stick bases now? VPC use compression springs in their flight stick bases (as do most manufacturers of desktop simulation gear... toys). May god have mercy on your wallet seeking out the correct weatherproofed Honeywell switches etc rather than the type Virpil, TM, or WInWing use on their throttles (about $8 a pack for five on Amazon style).
And?
Infantry, so what? I don't care, I don't fly, but I lived near an airbase all my life and have been privy to sitting in a number cockpits over the years. It doesn't make me an 'expert' either. I make and fly kites too if that helps? Dunno.
None of these manufacturers deal with 'milspec grade components' enough to suspend your sense of disbelief while using these adult toys for over grown, consumerist infants like ourselves.
edit: I'll add TM's problem is complacency, lack of product diversity and maintaining innovation at that price end... and being overpriced compared to the competition these days. Not really in the Warthog being sub par as a piece of kit compared to the rest (which use all similar build profiles in terms of where they decide to use metals and where they use plastics). The 50CM3 Throttle uses plenty of plastic where I might prefer there to be none and vice versa.
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Good thing *I'm* a software engineer
The Software is the easiest to configure ever! You must just read in the manual what to do. I opposite i find the Trustmaster software the worst one - they ask you to learn to write scripts😬
Haha yeah I read the manual a bit and was able to figure things out. It was just daunting at first
Would it be possible to just set the buttons on the VIRPIL throttle and stick in DCS instead of using the software?
Yes. This is how I configure it
Never mind the throttle, what on earth is that thing you have further back from the throttle that looks like a mutant mouse/keyboard hybrid?
That would be my Razer Orbweaver for when I need to use mouse and keyboard when I get out my ship in star citizen! Definitely makes it easier!
Looks like a tartartus to me.
I have both.
I dont understand why those controllers aren't standard pc gaming peripherals.
Been using em for over a decade now.
The thumb for WASD is a game changer.
@@rickwilliams4270 I…have never tried this….and now I can’t think of a reason as to why…
HavOK, I just received my new VPC V.F.X Grip and I have a link error 254 on the p3 slider and p4 dial. Any Ideas? Dents in the table just trying to find anything about it, even on the Virpil website.
Let me do some research with my controllers and I'll get back to you! Is the software giving you the link error?
Your zoom control being too precise in DCS is definitely fixable right in the sim with axis tune. You can set a deadzone, curve, and range limits on any axes command so that should be a very fixable problem unless the control itself is hard to be precise with at all (like the TM Warthog throttle grip TDC slew nipple).
I'll have to look into it then and see how I can get it to work. Thank you!
I am a legit software engineer (14 years professionally) and that software looked ridiculous. I have many hobbies where I use non-trivial software on PC including writing software myself, but when I flight sim I have far less patience. I don't have fun "fixing" the controller itself to work in the sim so I always do math for things I don't like to do by considering it "work" and then ask myself how much do I pay myself to do this work? If it would take me a day to learn how to and then set up a new device just to start to play it in some simulator, at my salary range that's $400. It's more worth it for me to get multiple devices than stick to one and remap it like that.
Completely understandable. It's definitely frustrating to get things working the first time!
I actually like the software better than the hardware. It’s overrated. There is noise in the axles and the buttons feel somewhat cheap.
I’ll take the warthog throttle over this but that one came defective
I honestly haven't had an issue with the axis or buttons. So it may have been that you got a one off
Im buying this to play star citizen would i need the software for it? I would hate to deal with that nonsense looking shit. Lol
Not necessarily. Windows is smart enough to recognize the device. Even if you have the software installed (which you'll need), you aren't required to use to software to configure your buttons. You just configure them in game.
Just how good is it?
The beat I've used so far. I haven't gotten a chance to try Winwings products, but Virpil hasn't let me down once since getting this!
I found the software to not be anywhere near as bad as people say it is and found it to be quite nice with how much it lets you do without having to download 500 other peices of software. But it could just be me.
The software is certainly more complex that the software for most other devices you may have, but in a good way. It means you can do a ton. It isn't designed poorly, it is just more complex. It certainly isn't the best peice of software ever made, but I have certainly seen faaaaar worse. And it actually works most of the time unlike allot of other software to configure devices (even ones that try to be "better" and look nice/be user freindly) that may take forever to start, be unrepsonvie half the time, and when it is responsive it doesn't even work properly.
I definitely have to agree with you. It let's you do a LOT which makes the software complex and require some time to learn. And the software pretty much works 99% of the time.
I honestly can't say the same for other companies' software like Thrustmaster, Saitek and Logitech.
вещь хорошая, но для меня слишком дорогая, это больше моей месячной зарплаты
я понимаю. Спасибо за ваш комментарий!
Virpil hotas
The fact that you had the saitek 🤮.. My worst purchase ever..
Back in 2013 Saitek was the go to brand. They had great products back in their glory days.
@Hav0k I bought the x55 rhino.. they have the worst ergonomics in my experience.. Had t16000m which was 3 times better in quality and control..then warthog.. now im a virpil fan..
I've heard that before. That's pretty rough. I've heard a lot of people also really like WinWing products as well. And I know they're a little cheaper than Virpil.
This is worthless to me as a lefty.