Alright! I received my CM3 just yesterday! What an awesome way to end this shitty 2020! I wasn't expecting it to arrive so soon. This throttle is the real deal people. It gives me no less than 79 buttons, and 4 additional axis in addition to the dual throttle! Absolutely amazing how many functions I can now map directly at my fingertips. The detents work great and are a welcome addition given that I also play DCS. Everything is super easy to configure. Would buy again: YES!
I agree, with space sims at least there are two options: middle detent point for 0 throttle (my first option I am used to), and 0-100 throttle with a button for reverse... it's a matter of giving it a try
+Federation42movies *What detenting between afterburner zones 1 and 2 on the JA37's Volvo RM8B?* I understand Pratt & Whitney to have used push-throughs on the TF30 controls to indicate valving of the afterburner zones on both the USAF F/FB-111 (most submodels) and the USN-USMC F-14A.
For DCS I want module offer two things. 1) a custom axis position where player can set the idle and afterburner detents position if having Throttle with physical detents. 2) have a virtual detent like hornet does, press a button to be able "push through" detent regardless physical throttle detents or axis past mil power/idle. I take software version any time over hardware if I can not tell to the simulator that where my throttle detents positions are in Axis like it is in Falcon 4 / BMS. There you move throttle to position on axis and click in axis configuration panel "This is afterburner detent" and you get green and red lines symbolize their position.
The F/A-18 and F-16 I know have button bindings that correspond to physical detents, though I think the name of them is a little unintuitive. In Virpil's software you can set up virtual buttons to trigger whenever you pass your detents, and then bind those virtual buttons to the detent inputs in DCS.
@@GuyFromJupiter You are correct that you can select those detent / elevator bindings (Idle/Off & Afterburner Detent in F-16, Throttle Finger Lift in F/A-18) that needs to be pressed to overcome in DCS. But that is just a ugly way as it doesn't allow accurate control of the range. It really isn't difficult to program the logic that asks player to move the throttle to each physical detent position and then mark it as axis position where it will be. Example, move throttle to Off position and press "Off". Move throttle to "Idle" position and press "Idle". Move throttle to Full MIL and press "MIL". Move throttle past the AB detent and press "Afterburner". Move throttle to corresponding afterburner sections (ie. Viggen) or end of full scale and select "Full Afterburner". Just moving throttle would show the red box moving in the input box and then mark a corresponding detent position when pressing button in config window. It wouldn't matter where is the physical detent, you can have it same for everything, on every throttle etc.
Considering the cost of these throttles I think Virpil should come up with detent upgrade kit for customers that own the CM2. Even if that upgrade is not as good as the CM3 version. Leaving the CM2 crowd without a solution makes me not want to invest in anything from Virpil for many years until after they have refined all of their products.
I ordered my first Virpil Setup on Friday, 20 Minutes, after they announced the CM3.(Alpha-R, CM3, Mounts) ^^' On Thursday I was kinda Pissed because the CM2 was "Out of Stock", but now I am quite happy, I waited a bit longer. Thx for your great reviews, by the way!
Mine came a couple weeks ago. CM2. Now I wish I had not had the money for a tad longer, because I have been playing with 3d printed detents since I got it... But it is still amazing!
@@tribvne9633 sell it stock is so low and waiting time so high you won't lose money plus import tax sell it buddy buy the new one I don't think you will lose to much
I can think of a another reason for the cosmo-sim center detent, using the throttle like a dual stick control with the one axis doing forward and reverse. Feeling when the throttle is centered at zero would be nice.
I just got one recently, and there are only a few changes I would make. 1. Make the detents tool less and quick changeable. I use a warthog bottom detent and aerobatic top detent for DCS, but that is basically useless if I want to use it in SC, and changing the detents is just too troublesome to bother with. 2. Make the hat switches gated. They are high quality, but though I haven't personally found them to be troublesome I have heard from others that they hit the wrong directions in them frequently, which I believe is a valid issue. 3. Change the rotary encoders on the throttles themselves into axes. Oftentimes the things I want to use the encoders for just don't support them correctly, and they would really work better as axes. 4. Make some of the switches on the base swappable. It would be nice to be able to change out the switches on the base from 3 position momentary to maintained at times. This one's a bit nit picky, but it would be much appreciated. None of these are huge issues, and overall I'm very happy with the product I got. For their next iteration though I think some of these changes would be pretty nice (not that I'll be spending the money on one though!).
I was waiting for your review before deciding to preorder. I can easily see people 3D printing their own set of detents that would make the CM3 even more versatile. Virpil keeps making me want me to empty my wallet. And thanks to Noobifier for bring a nice review that doesn’t take 45 min to say what can be covered in under 8.
I can see a lot of cool 3D printed custom detents being made with this system. Also, that cosmosim middle detent would work well for SC pilots who keep a throttle at a middle position for stationary, and push forward or pull back for ship forward/reverse.
I have the first and second T-50 throttles. The second I am using now as part of my Star Citizen HOTAS rig. I was very disappointed in the deletion of the detent from gen 1 to gen 2, but it is still a great throttle. I am a Virpil fan. I skipped CM2 because of the lack of a detent. I placed some visual markings on my throttle to indicate the center neutral thrust point, as that is critical for maneuvering, but it's still a pain to have to look down at the throttle to verify. As soon as I saw the CM3 included a detent, and a very customizable one at that, I dropped a pre-order. This will be my new Star Citizen throttle. I use a HOTAS setup, because as an IRL pilot, it's just how I roll. Thanks for the video Noob! As always, you are the tip of the spear when it comes to new sim hardware.
I agree, with space sims at least there are two options: middle detent point for 0 throttle (my first option I am used to), and 0-100 throttle with a button for reverse... it's a matter of giving it a try
@@lmorenoserrano There's also the option to put the detent point at 75% for games like Elite Dangerous where you have an optimal approach or turning throttle amount.
Now we'll wait and see if VKB actually releases their ~$200 throttle this month like they've been talking about lately. You should definitely try to get one for review if they do.
They have specifically said that it comes out before end of lunar year, that is February 2021... They will release new grip on this month, just waiting to get confirmation for their shipment from China to reveal it.
Pre-ordered! Not sure why people are unhappy with this one. Products get updated, sometimes you win sometimes you don't. Virpil are a business and it wouldn't make sense for them to offer a CM2 upgrade kit, that would be like Apple making CPUs hot-swappable...
Had I known I would have waited!! I just got the FedEx shipping notification that my Virpil order is on it's way. I had no idea there was going to be a new throttle released when I ordered... Well, I should be able to get a decent price on my CM2 if I decide to upgrade. I am certainly going to use the heck out of it. I have some serious flying to do.
The CosmoSim detent is actually meant to be positioned at the center point of the axis, to provide a "zero thrust" detent when the throttle axis is used for both forward and reverse thrust. There's no good way to quickly find this position without it.
The cosmosim detent looks like it would be great for a neutral position. If you use the throttle for forward and backward thrust without modifiers it would be a great 0 position reminder
I’m curious about the aerobatics detents for IL2. It’s usually not as big of a deal (versus DCS jets) whether you pass a certain throttle point, but I’ve blown quite a few engines after running too high during combat and not noticing. It would be nice to have detents for continuous and combat mode operation.
CM1 is actually better. More buttons, adjustable detents, etc. That's why when they went up on e-bay they can go for $800 sometimes - instead of buying a CM2 or CM3 with another button box. Besides you can 3D print the finger lifts: forums.mudspike.com/t/throttle-finger-lifts/9954 www.dropbox.com/sh/upeudspduudlyo9/AABvKRhplsAIKaKyL44tDA7Ta?dl=0
There was a version before CM, that makes CM as their second gen, CM2 as third gen and CM3 their fourth generation. The original T-50 throttle was sold very short time and small batch before CM suddenly was released. As usual, VIRPIL keeps changing their products constantly, and not always to better.
5:00 Regarding the Star Citizen "CosmoSim" detent - what I found this to be more useful, in my opinion, was not relating to SCM vs afterburner but 50% "full stop." As Star Citizen's use of HOTAS allows for full forward and full backward thrusts, finding that full stop middle was always difficult when using my X-56 Rhino. My way around that, using the X-56, was to increase my dead zone in the middle and also turn down the thrust limiter to 0% - this was especially necessary when being scanned by the Space Police. The slightest touch on my X-56 and I was suddenly a fugitive from the law. With the VPC CM3, and the centered "CosmoSim" detent; I will now be able to easily feel my full stop 50% location without having to adjust my thrust limiter or increasing my throttle dead zone.
I have the mt50 throttle. Not CM. By luck it has the detent on the axis. I don't think i will need to buy a new throttle soon. I'm happy with mine. Very Good quality. I m glad to see Virpil is listening to their customers.
In his setup the throttle is used for the speed limiter and not for actual thrust due to him having a left handed joystick to control direction but in a hotas setup the detent at 0 thrust would be more useful.
That depends if you have set up your throtle to go both forwards and backwards. But yes, that is what i thought aswell, until N00b mentioned SCM. I've only tried binding my throttle to speedlimiter+throttle forwards. I've only reversed with either thumbstick og buttons, with low speedlimit
With the amount that I have just paid for the CM2, I would think they would offer CM2 owners a detent upgrade for a ressonable price. I have thought about getting another joystick in addition to the one that I already have, in order to use 2 x joysticks for space sims, but now I feel that with this new throttle it shows me that Virpl could have sorted out the detent issue of the CM2. I will no longer buy another vipl product until they sort this issue out. there is no way I could justify buying a whole new thrtottle.
I’m an quite sure an upgrade kit is impractical mechanically. It replaces the entire grip and sensor pack. It would cost more to ship the update than to send a new device IMO.
It’s very overbuilt though. I imagine the 3D printed stuff wouldn’t last a lifetime or operate without maintenance... this is truly a fantastic solution
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Oh I'm blown away by the engineering that has clearly gone into this, Virpil are truly pushing the boundaries of what consumer level gear means. The 3D printed things that people make obviously won't last as long but I would expect those people have access to a 3D printer and can make replacements.
went balls deep here and replacing my TM Warthog for VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Base, CM3 Throttle, Constellation ALPHA-L grip and deskmounts! Cant wait to get it all :D
i ordered mine the day it went up, I CANT WAIT! Thinking of pairing it with a Real Simulator FSSB-R3 and their F-16 side grip.. Not much info about those though!
KEEP it. I didn't buy one when they released it and regretted it. Then one day I found someone on discord that wanted to get rid of their CM v1 at a reasonable price! Now I'm SOOOO glad I didn't get a CM2 or waited for a CM3. We don't need a separate button box. We can adjust our detents to our exact needs too. We could 3D print something and add it like they did with the CM3 what Troll is doing: forums.mudspike.com/t/throttle-finger-lifts/9954 www.thingiverse.com/controllr/designs
For DCS there is a trick for getting around the need for the detente using a CM2. You can set the throttle to only go to just before AFB, then set one of the little red switches between the throttle and flap levers to give you the rest of the throttle and allow you into AFB mode. In SC, if I weren't using car pedals for forward, reverse and brakes; I'd use the same trick for forward and reverse movement toggling. I say all of this as I just got my CM2 6 weeks ago. And while this is the sort of solution I envisioned for the detente issue, I dont think it's an issue. I do like the longer throw on the throttle, it would make the minute movements required for refueling in DCS easier. But regardless, this area the CM shines even without the longer throw as its ease of movement is amazing. The downside of this is if you DO play multiple games that require detentes, swapping between detentes, then having to tune the detente based on in game "finding" the right spot and screwing it down would get tiresome to most I think. If I hadn't found the trick with flipping a switch to go into AFB, I'd want this regardless. Great video as always, thanks for helping us learn about all the tech toys for us to play with! I watch a bunch of DCS videos, and I'm starting to hear DCS guys and content makers say they watch your videos as their preferred source of tech reviews as well, so congrats on growing your audience and hitting 60k!
how does the red switch work more specifically? like do you push the throttle all the way till it won't go any further and then flip red switch,,,i'm not sure what you mean and how do you know when to stop if you can see your throttle position on the screen while flying 400 knots in enemy territory?
@@harpoon_bakery162 So the way it works for me in game is this. I use the T2 switch as a toggle for AFB mode, T2 is the switch immediately to the right of the throttles themselves. When that toggle is off, my throttle is limited to 80% max of its normal range; so it ranges from 1% to 80% of max throttle. Not physically, but how the game sees my device. When I switch the toggle on, the throttle in game now has the full 100% range of motion and AFBs will kick on once you pass the 80% throttle mark. The net effect of this is to limit access to your AFBs to when that toggle is switched on. It's a useful trick, and one that once you recognize how it works, you start to see other things you can use this with in other games. This is a TH-cam video to explain to you how to do it, he's a bit long winded, but he is thorough in his explanations and he's explained what you need to know by the 7 minute mark. th-cam.com/video/Hs18EfOlb6U/w-d-xo.html
I bought a CM2 just for Star Citizen so I don't think I will upgrade. I concur with Magsidious though, it would be excellent if they had an upgrade path.
I have the earlier version of the throttle from before the CM. It's the last one that had detents. The CM1 and CM2's lack of them has been a major reason why I wouldn't consider buying them. If my current throttle decides to give up the ghost it's good to know there's a suitable replacement for it now.
If memory serves me correctly - You most likely have the CM version 1 or CM version 2. CM version 3 lost the detents. Then they came out with the CM2 and now CM3. I also have a CM version 1.
+BrianMP5T *Thanks for the preview of the VIRPIL® MongoosT-50CM3® engine quadrant.* For a preliminary execution of a V-FX™ Throttle Quadrant, I'd include the Warthog idle and Classic+ MIL detents with the MT-50CM-series grips, plus two auxiliary levers in the base, viz., the Flaps to the left and the Sweep O'Ride to the right, reflecting the actual control placement in the Grumman (USA) G-303. The Classic+ MIL detent looks further modifiable to reflect engine execution on various older types in Eagle Dynamics DCS:World, e.g. four push-throughs past the MIL hard stop for on/off afterburner zone valving (General Electric J79, Pratt & Whitney TF30, Allison TF41). The MongoosT-50CM2® would be better for helicopter and spacecraft simpits, excepting a sim for any Bell Helicopter Textron (USA) twin-engine, which has condition twist-grips on the collective arm rather than levers on a separate engine panel (as executed by Lockheed Sikorsky (USA), Airbus Roteurs (FRA), OKB Milja (RUS), BAe Westland (GBR), OKB Kamova (RUS), &c.).
Very impressive. Lovely how in Star Citizen you can use the detent to match your SCM but also to match 0 in the middle so that you can then set your thrust forward or back. Nonetheless, an upgrade kit for those with the CM2 would have been nice given the price (not that I can afford it anyway).
Hilariously I just bought a CM2 throttle last week and got the payment taken an hour before the notification of the CM3 was sent out. Was glad to see that the changes were minor and wasn't fussed about a detent but there was a 'aw shit' moment lol
@@NOOBIFIER1337 yeah I did consider it but as I live in the UK the brexit thing is going to impact shipping for a while. The 4th was the cutoff date for delivery before things get messy and I decided it wasn't worth the risk. I'll be more than happy with the CM2, I've been dreaming of one for ages and the CM3 doesn't make it any less of an awesome throttle 😊
Don't upgrade to the CM3. Just print this out. Virpil got the idea from Troll... forums.mudspike.com/t/throttle-finger-lifts/9954 www.thingiverse.com/controllr/designs
I'm curious what you think about Virpil's decision to use plastic detents instead of metal, I suspect they will wear faster over time. I'm also disappointed in the new lever locking mechanism, there's too much play and it feels like the right throttle lever is dragging the other one (unlike the CM2 that was really tightly secured).
Wow, this is a great feature to have. Will definitely consider the CM3 over the CM2 as I don't own either of them yet and I also have DCS. Thanks for all the useful info as usual
Damn that thing is sexy! I wish there was a way to stick this and the MFP and two sticks onto the Monstertech chair, with a tablet MFD and mouse at hand...it's close though!
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I already contacted them on the weekend to ask if its possible for me to send the throttle-unit back. Anyway i pre-ordered after watching your video. In the worst case I will sell the CM2 once the CM3 arrives.
How is the CONTROL PANEL #2 testing coming along NOOBIFIER ? Did you get the landing lights to sync with DCS exactly as designed? I'm talking about all of the landing lights not just the 3
I have not had a chance to look at it. I will when I return from deployment in August if I can get my hands on one for sure. I am keeping notes on questions like this and plan to do helpful updates. Sorry, but this is a case where my IRL job takes priority over the content. Thanks for the support and great question.
€474.20 includes tax and economy shipping. At least in the country where I live. Aside from the price, what are the chances that Scalpers will buy off stock and sell it on eBay for 3-4x the price? It's a beautiful piece of kit, but I'm sure I won't see one for a long while. Perhaps it's more worth waiting for the TECS throttle from VKB for those with less thick wallets :D
My new WarBRD and right Alpha grip came faulted. Love the feel but Virpil has some quality issues they need to work through. Note: I am still not giving them up, but at this price point, their should not be quality issues
I already have a unfulfilled order for the CM2 base and throttle plus the alpha R. I've tired to contact them to see if they would swap it out for the CM3, but nothing yet. Would be nice if they did! Great review, thanks.
I contacted them on Monday asking the same thing, today on Friday still no response but they just processed the order and charged my credit card so I guess im stuck with the CM2
@@NGlanister2 I heard back, they said they can cancel my current order and redo an order for the CM3, however I've been waiting a while and don't want to lose my place in the queue for stock. So I've stuck with the CM2 for now. It's a full order with other bits so I'd have to drop the whole order and start again...
I was going to buy the original throttle which had magnetic detents but was unable to as they sold out in the time it took to fill in the shipping information. Then they removed to detents all together and I lost interest in Virpil. I was waiting for the new VKB throttle to release but how many years do I wait? I'll consider Virpil again assuming they aren't sold out for months again.
@TheNOOBIFIER1337 Great review, was looknig to buy a setup myself... can you explain what the secure card payment in the virpil shop is about? I have never heard about this is why... Thanks in advance!
I believe it’s just what they use in Belarus’s. Can you please contact them for clarification, I don’t work for them so I don’t really know the details.
Don't ever say you can't strip metal threads. I've seen it happen SOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH and I work on planes. It's soooooooo upsetting when you get 96 fasteners run down on a panel. Then the last 97th fastener just drops in or won't go in at all cuz the anchor basket is broken, missing, or stripped out. And now ya gotta pull alllllllll them other fasteners back out to fix that one anchor basket.
hello guys , I am interested in buying one but i have a question about virpil products , I have a 20 years old saitek x52 and a x55 and both have soft plastic /rubber who degraded in some oozy tacky schmoo , both are still operable but really unpleasant to hold on , SO is virpil do use those rubbery plastics on their throttle and sticks that degrades within a few years ?? and thank you for your answers.
Man, if Virpil wants to make people happy they will offer an upgrade kit for CM2 owners. I'll just 3d print the detent mod and see if Viripl listens to the community.
Quick question on the detents... For the afterburner detent, is it possible to have to far enough to allow some range of travel after the lift? I only ask as I fly in msfs and They usually have reverse thrust - Main power setting - Max power - TOGA. So I'd like to put max and toga behind a detent with enough room to be easily able to set it to the correct power setting while leaving enough play for the main power setting if that makes any sense?
They are completely swappable, PLUS can be moved about 15 Deg either way so between the 10 included pieces, and the adjustment you should be able to get the exact performance you are looking for.. there are also those who have made 3D printed customs ones
@@MichaelHenfrey There was a period of time when they were giving people who owned a CM2 a 10% discount on the upgrade. You should maybe contact them and find out if that still applicable
Does lifting the throttle for idle/AB detent send a signal out the controller? I ask because DCS usually has an "idle cutoff" key binding for most engines and it would be nice to have this bound to the throttles position instead of pressing a button
Ouch. Just received my CM2 a few weeks ago. I've been busy, so its still sitting in the unopened box. UGH. I'm mainly playing star citizen and elite dangerous. I guess I should be fine, but man, it stings a bit.
I would need to buy one for that and I don’t feel it’s something I would ever use. I have never used FOIP and I see this as another “ thing “ we didn’t need in SC.
Wish they made it reversible so it can be used as a southpaw throttle. It blows my mind that there is STILL no lefty or even ambidextrous combat throttles with hats, encoders and levers on the grip. The only options are non-combat oriented throttle quadrants. Virpil already have a left hand Alpha stick and an ambidextrous Delta stick. Is a throttle too much to ask for?
Left handed sticks are mainly for space sim users though, not for southpaws. These throttles are mainly for very realistic sims like DCS, and real fighters always have throttles on the left. I can definitely see how that's frustrating for you, but I just don't think there is a large enough market for them to exist without costing $1000 a piece, and even that may not be profitable.
I made a detent mod for my T50 mark 2 , here's the link forum.virpil.com/index.php?/topic/2174-quick-and-easy-detent-for-mongoose-t-50-throttle-version-3/
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Alright! I received my CM3 just yesterday! What an awesome way to end this shitty 2020! I wasn't expecting it to arrive so soon.
This throttle is the real deal people. It gives me no less than 79 buttons, and 4 additional axis in addition to the dual throttle! Absolutely amazing how many functions I can now map directly at my fingertips. The detents work great and are a welcome addition given that I also play DCS. Everything is super easy to configure. Would buy again: YES!
How long did it take you to receive it from time of order? I just ordered one and I am wondering about wait times.
@@sinsley1 Current wait time is estimated at 6 weeks to billing + amother 2 until delivery by virpil
Best throttle on the market...
Thank you for the preview, good stuff. - Wags
hi wags.
The space sim detent is very useful in Elite Dangerous, so you can use reverse thrust more efficiently by setting the dead zone in the middle
I agree, with space sims at least there are two options: middle detent point for 0 throttle (my first option I am used to), and 0-100 throttle with a button for reverse...
it's a matter of giving it a try
yeah and i don't think it would be useful for setting it to your maneuverability point, as that changes a lot
@@lmorenoserrano I wish there were an audio cue in SC telling the reverse thrusters are in use.
We'll be 3d printing custom detent parts (i.e. the Viggen has the two-stage afterburner).
+Federation42movies *What detenting between afterburner zones 1 and 2 on the JA37's Volvo RM8B?* I understand Pratt & Whitney to have used push-throughs on the TF30 controls to indicate valving of the afterburner zones on both the USAF F/FB-111 (most submodels) and the USN-USMC F-14A.
Viggen has 3 afterburner zones. 1, 2 and 3.
For DCS I want module offer two things.
1) a custom axis position where player can set the idle and afterburner detents position if having Throttle with physical detents.
2) have a virtual detent like hornet does, press a button to be able "push through" detent regardless physical throttle detents or axis past mil power/idle.
I take software version any time over hardware if I can not tell to the simulator that where my throttle detents positions are in Axis like it is in Falcon 4 / BMS. There you move throttle to position on axis and click in axis configuration panel "This is afterburner detent" and you get green and red lines symbolize their position.
The F/A-18 and F-16 I know have button bindings that correspond to physical detents, though I think the name of them is a little unintuitive. In Virpil's software you can set up virtual buttons to trigger whenever you pass your detents, and then bind those virtual buttons to the detent inputs in DCS.
@@GuyFromJupiter You are correct that you can select those detent / elevator bindings (Idle/Off & Afterburner Detent in F-16, Throttle Finger Lift in F/A-18) that needs to be pressed to overcome in DCS. But that is just a ugly way as it doesn't allow accurate control of the range.
It really isn't difficult to program the logic that asks player to move the throttle to each physical detent position and then mark it as axis position where it will be.
Example, move throttle to Off position and press "Off".
Move throttle to "Idle" position and press "Idle".
Move throttle to Full MIL and press "MIL".
Move throttle past the AB detent and press "Afterburner".
Move throttle to corresponding afterburner sections (ie. Viggen) or end of full scale and select "Full Afterburner".
Just moving throttle would show the red box moving in the input box and then mark a corresponding detent position when pressing button in config window.
It wouldn't matter where is the physical detent, you can have it same for everything, on every throttle etc.
Considering the cost of these throttles I think Virpil should come up with detent upgrade kit for customers that own the CM2. Even if that upgrade is not as good as the CM3 version. Leaving the CM2 crowd without a solution makes me not want to invest in anything from Virpil for many years until after they have refined all of their products.
I ordered my first Virpil Setup on Friday, 20 Minutes, after they announced the CM3.(Alpha-R, CM3, Mounts) ^^'
On Thursday I was kinda Pissed because the CM2 was "Out of Stock", but now I am quite happy, I waited a bit longer.
Thx for your great reviews, by the way!
my first vripel joystick comes in two days I feel like a kid waiting for xmass im 37 years old
Congrats
Very cool
Grats
Mine came a couple weeks ago. CM2. Now I wish I had not had the money for a tad longer, because I have been playing with 3d printed detents since I got it... But it is still amazing!
@@tribvne9633 sell it stock is so low and waiting time so high you won't lose money plus import tax sell it buddy buy the new one I don't think you will lose to much
That's how I felt when my constellation alpha arrived. After waiting months for it.
I can think of a another reason for the cosmo-sim center detent, using the throttle like a dual stick control with the one axis doing forward and reverse. Feeling when the throttle is centered at zero would be nice.
I just got one recently, and there are only a few changes I would make.
1. Make the detents tool less and quick changeable. I use a warthog bottom detent and aerobatic top detent for DCS, but that is basically useless if I want to use it in SC, and changing the detents is just too troublesome to bother with.
2. Make the hat switches gated. They are high quality, but though I haven't personally found them to be troublesome I have heard from others that they hit the wrong directions in them frequently, which I believe is a valid issue.
3. Change the rotary encoders on the throttles themselves into axes. Oftentimes the things I want to use the encoders for just don't support them correctly, and they would really work better as axes.
4. Make some of the switches on the base swappable. It would be nice to be able to change out the switches on the base from 3 position momentary to maintained at times. This one's a bit nit picky, but it would be much appreciated.
None of these are huge issues, and overall I'm very happy with the product I got. For their next iteration though I think some of these changes would be pretty nice (not that I'll be spending the money on one though!).
I was waiting for your review before deciding to preorder. I can easily see people 3D printing their own set of detents that would make the CM3 even more versatile. Virpil keeps making me want me to empty my wallet. And thanks to Noobifier for bring a nice review that doesn’t take 45 min to say what can be covered in under 8.
My CM3 was ordered last week. I am looking forward to using it in DCS! :D
Beautiful! I can see custom detents being made.
Ordered one roughly a half hour after the announcement - so glad I waited! Thanks a lot for putting out your review so promptly!
I can see a lot of cool 3D printed custom detents being made with this system. Also, that cosmosim middle detent would work well for SC pilots who keep a throttle at a middle position for stationary, and push forward or pull back for ship forward/reverse.
I JUST received my CM2 throttle 2 days ago!
Feels bad, man!
Man, I wish I could get Virpil here in the U.S, but they don't have a U.S store and so it's insanely expensive. Their products look insane!
I have the first and second T-50 throttles. The second I am using now as part of my Star Citizen HOTAS rig. I was very disappointed in the deletion of the detent from gen 1 to gen 2, but it is still a great throttle. I am a Virpil fan. I skipped CM2 because of the lack of a detent. I placed some visual markings on my throttle to indicate the center neutral thrust point, as that is critical for maneuvering, but it's still a pain to have to look down at the throttle to verify. As soon as I saw the CM3 included a detent, and a very customizable one at that, I dropped a pre-order. This will be my new Star Citizen throttle. I use a HOTAS setup, because as an IRL pilot, it's just how I roll. Thanks for the video Noob! As always, you are the tip of the spear when it comes to new sim hardware.
Its time to upgrade my X-56. Thanks for the great review!
I would use the CosmoSim detent for 0 throttle, personally.
I agree, with space sims at least there are two options: middle detent point for 0 throttle (my first option I am used to), and 0-100 throttle with a button for reverse...
it's a matter of giving it a try
@@lmorenoserrano There's also the option to put the detent point at 75% for games like Elite Dangerous where you have an optimal approach or turning throttle amount.
@@HenrikDanielsson You are right, with ED it is very useful, thanks!
Aw man the flip cover switch on the first version was so sexy!
I'm definitely getting this control set for Elite: Dangerous.
Oh so glad I had to wait! Thanks brother for the review!
Now we'll wait and see if VKB actually releases their ~$200 throttle this month like they've been talking about lately. You should definitely try to get one for review if they do.
They have specifically said that it comes out before end of lunar year, that is February 2021...
They will release new grip on this month, just waiting to get confirmation for their shipment from China to reveal it.
Lol NO
Pre-ordered! Not sure why people are unhappy with this one. Products get updated, sometimes you win sometimes you don't. Virpil are a business and it wouldn't make sense for them to offer a CM2 upgrade kit, that would be like Apple making CPUs hot-swappable...
My god man. This is way beyond anything I could afford.
But it’s nice to dream 😜👍
Had I known I would have waited!!
I just got the FedEx shipping notification that my Virpil order is on it's way. I had no idea there was going to be a new throttle released when I ordered... Well, I should be able to get a decent price on my CM2 if I decide to upgrade. I am certainly going to use the heck out of it. I have some serious flying to do.
The CosmoSim detent is actually meant to be positioned at the center point of the axis, to provide a "zero thrust" detent when the throttle axis is used for both forward and reverse thrust. There's no good way to quickly find this position without it.
So glad I didn’t order a CM2. The detent was the only thing holding me back. Now I have no problem buying these.
The cosmosim detent looks like it would be great for a neutral position. If you use the throttle for forward and backward thrust without modifiers it would be a great 0 position reminder
I’m curious about the aerobatics detents for IL2. It’s usually not as big of a deal (versus DCS jets) whether you pass a certain throttle point, but I’ve blown quite a few engines after running too high during combat and not noticing. It would be nice to have detents for continuous and combat mode operation.
Thanks for the review!
I'm glad I waited for Virpil to add the detent system instead of buying the CM1 or 2.
CM1 is actually better. More buttons, adjustable detents, etc. That's why when they went up on e-bay they can go for $800 sometimes - instead of buying a CM2 or CM3 with another button box.
Besides you can 3D print the finger lifts:
forums.mudspike.com/t/throttle-finger-lifts/9954
www.dropbox.com/sh/upeudspduudlyo9/AABvKRhplsAIKaKyL44tDA7Ta?dl=0
There was a version before CM, that makes CM as their second gen, CM2 as third gen and CM3 their fourth generation.
The original T-50 throttle was sold very short time and small batch before CM suddenly was released. As usual, VIRPIL keeps changing their products constantly, and not always to better.
5:00 Regarding the Star Citizen "CosmoSim" detent - what I found this to be more useful, in my opinion, was not relating to SCM vs afterburner but 50% "full stop." As Star Citizen's use of HOTAS allows for full forward and full backward thrusts, finding that full stop middle was always difficult when using my X-56 Rhino. My way around that, using the X-56, was to increase my dead zone in the middle and also turn down the thrust limiter to 0% - this was especially necessary when being scanned by the Space Police. The slightest touch on my X-56 and I was suddenly a fugitive from the law.
With the VPC CM3, and the centered "CosmoSim" detent; I will now be able to easily feel my full stop 50% location without having to adjust my thrust limiter or increasing my throttle dead zone.
I have the mt50 throttle. Not CM. By luck it has the detent on the axis. I don't think i will need to buy a new throttle soon. I'm happy with mine. Very Good quality. I m glad to see Virpil is listening to their customers.
Figures they finally shipped me the CM2 I'd ordered lol
Yup, I got mine the day the cm3 was released. Feels bad
For the CosmoSim Detent, wouldn't it make more sense for the Detent to be at the 0 Throttle and the divide between forward and aft thrust?
In his setup the throttle is used for the speed limiter and not for actual thrust due to him having a left handed joystick to control direction but in a hotas setup the detent at 0 thrust would be more useful.
That depends if you have set up your throtle to go both forwards and backwards. But yes, that is what i thought aswell, until N00b mentioned SCM. I've only tried binding my throttle to speedlimiter+throttle forwards. I've only reversed with either thumbstick og buttons, with low speedlimit
With the amount that I have just paid for the CM2, I would think they would offer CM2 owners a detent upgrade for a ressonable price.
I have thought about getting another joystick in addition to the one that I already have, in order to use 2 x joysticks for space sims, but now I feel that with this new throttle it shows me that Virpl could have sorted out the detent issue of the CM2.
I will no longer buy another vipl product until they sort this issue out. there is no way I could justify buying a whole new thrtottle.
I’m an quite sure an upgrade kit is impractical mechanically. It replaces the entire grip and sensor pack. It would cost more to ship the update than to send a new device IMO.
This is very nice. It does look suspiciously similar to some very inventive 3D printed custom jobs i've seen on YT for the previous versions.
It’s very overbuilt though. I imagine the 3D printed stuff wouldn’t last a lifetime or operate without maintenance... this is truly a fantastic solution
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Oh I'm blown away by the engineering that has clearly gone into this, Virpil are truly pushing the boundaries of what consumer level gear means. The 3D printed things that people make obviously won't last as long but I would expect those people have access to a 3D printer and can make replacements.
went balls deep here and replacing my TM Warthog for VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Base, CM3 Throttle, Constellation ALPHA-L grip and deskmounts! Cant wait to get it all :D
i ordered mine the day it went up, I CANT WAIT!
Thinking of pairing it with a Real Simulator FSSB-R3 and their F-16 side grip.. Not much info about those though!
Great accelerator, from what I've seen and researched it's the best currently (beating the Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog and X56).
I wish more tech product companies had this level of quality in their products.
I still have and love my CM1.
KEEP it. I didn't buy one when they released it and regretted it. Then one day I found someone on discord that wanted to get rid of their CM v1 at a reasonable price! Now I'm SOOOO glad I didn't get a CM2 or waited for a CM3. We don't need a separate button box. We can adjust our detents to our exact needs too. We could 3D print something and add it like they did with the CM3 what Troll is doing:
forums.mudspike.com/t/throttle-finger-lifts/9954
www.thingiverse.com/controllr/designs
Feels good to have bought the best equipment on the market :)
For DCS there is a trick for getting around the need for the detente using a CM2. You can set the throttle to only go to just before AFB, then set one of the little red switches between the throttle and flap levers to
give you the rest of the throttle and allow you into AFB mode.
In SC, if I weren't using car pedals for forward, reverse and brakes; I'd use the same trick for forward and reverse movement toggling.
I say all of this as I just got my CM2 6 weeks ago. And while this is the sort of solution I envisioned for the detente issue, I dont think it's an issue. I do like the longer throw on the throttle, it would make the minute movements required for refueling in DCS easier. But regardless, this area the CM shines even without the longer throw as its ease of movement is amazing.
The downside of this is if you DO play multiple games that require detentes, swapping between detentes, then having to tune the detente based on in game "finding" the right spot and screwing it down would get tiresome to most I think. If I hadn't found the trick with flipping a switch to go into AFB, I'd want this regardless.
Great video as always, thanks for helping us learn about all the tech toys for us to play with! I watch a bunch of DCS videos, and I'm starting to hear DCS guys and content makers say they watch your videos as their preferred source of tech reviews as well, so congrats on growing your audience and hitting 60k!
Swapping is done in seconds
how does the red switch work more specifically? like do you push the throttle all the way till it won't go any further and then flip red switch,,,i'm not sure what you mean and how do you know when to stop if you can see your throttle position on the screen while flying 400 knots in enemy territory?
@@harpoon_bakery162 So the way it works for me in game is this. I use the T2 switch as a toggle for AFB mode, T2 is the switch immediately to the right of the throttles themselves. When that toggle is off, my throttle is limited to 80% max of its normal range; so it ranges from 1% to 80% of max throttle. Not physically, but how the game sees my device. When I switch the toggle on, the throttle in game now has the full 100% range of motion and AFBs will kick on once you pass the 80% throttle mark.
The net effect of this is to limit access to your AFBs to when that toggle is switched on. It's a useful trick, and one that once you recognize how it works, you start to see other things you can use this with in other games.
This is a TH-cam video to explain to you how to do it, he's a bit long winded, but he is thorough in his explanations and he's explained what you need to know by the 7 minute mark. th-cam.com/video/Hs18EfOlb6U/w-d-xo.html
@@fubarace1027 great, i will try this for sure. got it bookmarked. Thanks so much !!!!!
My birthday present for sure.
You could use the Cosmosim detent to set the throttle to fly both forward and backwards with the detent in the center for stop.
Correct. It’s very nice
I bought a CM2 just for Star Citizen so I don't think I will upgrade. I concur with Magsidious though, it would be excellent if they had an upgrade path.
Great review!
On order and waiting patiently for it.
Congrats.
I have the earlier version of the throttle from before the CM. It's the last one that had detents. The CM1 and CM2's lack of them has been a major reason why I wouldn't consider buying them. If my current throttle decides to give up the ghost it's good to know there's a suitable replacement for it now.
If memory serves me correctly - You most likely have the CM version 1 or CM version 2. CM version 3 lost the detents. Then they came out with the CM2 and now CM3. I also have a CM version 1.
@@kennethjones8683 I have the non-CM version 2. It has the smaller grip handle with detents.
+BrianMP5T *Thanks for the preview of the VIRPIL® MongoosT-50CM3® engine quadrant.* For a preliminary execution of a V-FX™ Throttle Quadrant, I'd include the Warthog idle and Classic+ MIL detents with the MT-50CM-series grips, plus two auxiliary levers in the base, viz., the Flaps to the left and the Sweep O'Ride to the right, reflecting the actual control placement in the Grumman (USA) G-303. The Classic+ MIL detent looks further modifiable to reflect engine execution on various older types in Eagle Dynamics DCS:World, e.g. four push-throughs past the MIL hard stop for on/off afterburner zone valving (General Electric J79, Pratt & Whitney TF30, Allison TF41).
The MongoosT-50CM2® would be better for helicopter and spacecraft simpits, excepting a sim for any Bell Helicopter Textron (USA) twin-engine, which has condition twist-grips on the collective arm rather than levers on a separate engine panel (as executed by Lockheed Sikorsky (USA), Airbus Roteurs (FRA), OKB Milja (RUS), BAe Westland (GBR), OKB Kamova (RUS), &c.).
Very impressive. Lovely how in Star Citizen you can use the detent to match your SCM but also to match 0 in the middle so that you can then set your thrust forward or back. Nonetheless, an upgrade kit for those with the CM2 would have been nice given the price (not that I can afford it anyway).
As I said elsewhere. Mechanically impractical to offer an upgrade... it pretty much replaced the entire throttle and grip.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I must have missed that one. Thanks for the reply!
Hilariously I just bought a CM2 throttle last week and got the payment taken an hour before the notification of the CM3 was sent out.
Was glad to see that the changes were minor and wasn't fussed about a detent but there was a 'aw shit' moment lol
That is upsetting. Have you considered asking them either for a discount or upgrading to CM3
@@NOOBIFIER1337 yeah I did consider it but as I live in the UK the brexit thing is going to impact shipping for a while. The 4th was the cutoff date for delivery before things get messy and I decided it wasn't worth the risk.
I'll be more than happy with the CM2, I've been dreaming of one for ages and the CM3 doesn't make it any less of an awesome throttle 😊
Don't upgrade to the CM3. Just print this out. Virpil got the idea from Troll...
forums.mudspike.com/t/throttle-finger-lifts/9954
www.thingiverse.com/controllr/designs
I currently own the CM, may have to make this upgrade..
I'm curious what you think about Virpil's decision to use plastic detents instead of metal, I suspect they will wear faster over time. I'm also disappointed in the new lever locking mechanism, there's too much play and it feels like the right throttle lever is dragging the other one (unlike the CM2 that was really tightly secured).
Wow, this is a great feature to have. Will definitely consider the CM3 over the CM2 as I don't own either of them yet and I also have DCS. Thanks for all the useful info as usual
You've almost got me convinced to buy one. Afraid to get one cause then i won't be able to fly on my gaming computer at work. Or buy 2...
Damn that thing is sexy! I wish there was a way to stick this and the MFP and two sticks onto the Monstertech chair, with a tablet MFD and mouse at hand...it's close though!
an Upgrade kit would be nice from Virpil
I've waiting for it, thanks noobifier
Some day I hope I could get that one, THE ONE of all the throttles
I would love it if they did stream deck buttons on there throttle so we could have custom icons maybe with better feeling buttons
I invested literally a few weeks ago and today the CM2 arrives... Thinking about sending it back and waiting another 2 months for the CM3.
We have no confirmed production or shipping date. I would suggest contacting their CS and asking if that is possible.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I already contacted them on the weekend to ask if its possible for me to send the throttle-unit back. Anyway i pre-ordered after watching your video. In the worst case I will sell the CM2 once the CM3 arrives.
That sounds expensive. I hope they offer a solution
@@NOOBIFIER1337 btw: From the Email of Virpil, they said shipping of the first Units will begin at the End of January 2021
Thanks for a another great review!
I've now got a Cm2 for sale.
Preorder done, thanks for video.
What ever happened to the RSI web cam for optimization of the FOiPs?
How is the CONTROL PANEL #2 testing coming along NOOBIFIER ? Did you get the landing lights to sync with DCS exactly as designed? I'm talking about all of the landing lights not just the 3
I have not had a chance to look at it. I will when I return from deployment in August if I can get my hands on one for sure. I am keeping notes on questions like this and plan to do helpful updates. Sorry, but this is a case where my IRL job takes priority over the content. Thanks for the support and great question.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 --- well thanks for keeping it in mind and I wish you luck on your extended deployment. Get back safe!
Good news!
€474.20 includes tax and economy shipping. At least in the country where I live.
Aside from the price, what are the chances that Scalpers will buy off stock and sell it on eBay for 3-4x the price?
It's a beautiful piece of kit, but I'm sure I won't see one for a long while.
Perhaps it's more worth waiting for the TECS throttle from VKB for those with less thick wallets :D
Oh man, if I had mo money! Virpil is quite awesome.
Can they not make the detent parts available for the other throttles they have released?
They are heavily embedded and would not be a simple swap. The major working parts.
My new WarBRD and right Alpha grip came faulted. Love the feel but Virpil has some quality issues they need to work through. Note: I am still not giving them up, but at this price point, their should not be quality issues
I already have a unfulfilled order for the CM2 base and throttle plus the alpha R. I've tired to contact them to see if they would swap it out for the CM3, but nothing yet. Would be nice if they did! Great review, thanks.
I contacted them on Monday asking the same thing, today on Friday still no response but they just processed the order and charged my credit card so I guess im stuck with the CM2
@@NGlanister2 I heard back, they said they can cancel my current order and redo an order for the CM3, however I've been waiting a while and don't want to lose my place in the queue for stock. So I've stuck with the CM2 for now. It's a full order with other bits so I'd have to drop the whole order and start again...
Wish they made one for left handers
I was going to buy the original throttle which had magnetic detents but was unable to as they sold out in the time it took to fill in the shipping information. Then they removed to detents all together and I lost interest in Virpil. I was waiting for the new VKB throttle to release but how many years do I wait? I'll consider Virpil again assuming they aren't sold out for months again.
@TheNOOBIFIER1337 Great review, was looknig to buy a setup myself...
can you explain what the secure card payment in the virpil shop is about?
I have never heard about this is why...
Thanks in advance!
I believe it’s just what they use in Belarus’s. Can you please contact them for clarification, I don’t work for them so I don’t really know the details.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Ah I see, thanks for the quick reply though.
I will look into it and update if anyone needs the info.
I fly SC at 50 percent as zero. So if I pull back I go back, so the Cosmo detent would be marvellous
For that specific case, 100% agree
Don't ever say you can't strip metal threads. I've seen it happen SOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH and I work on planes. It's soooooooo upsetting when you get 96 fasteners run down on a panel. Then the last 97th fastener just drops in or won't go in at all cuz the anchor basket is broken, missing, or stripped out. And now ya gotta pull alllllllll them other fasteners back out to fix that one anchor basket.
Very cool
Hmmm, to upgrade my cm2 or not to upgrade. That is the question
hello guys , I am interested in buying one but i have a question about virpil products , I have a 20 years old saitek x52 and a x55 and both have soft plastic /rubber who degraded in some oozy tacky schmoo , both are still operable but really unpleasant to hold on , SO is virpil do use those rubbery plastics on their throttle and sticks that degrades within a few years ?? and thank you for your answers.
Man, if Virpil wants to make people happy they will offer an upgrade kit for CM2 owners. I'll just 3d print the detent mod and see if Viripl listens to the community.
impossible, it basically replaces the main component. We discussed this and it was not practical
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I'm sure they tried to work out a way to make it work. Just a missed opertunity. I'll just 3d print the mod on thingy verse.
I'd like a ship for the game before I get one of these... feels like a def buy for flight sim
Looks great!
Great stuff.
Can you use the cosmo-sim detents without the lever pulls?
Can the levers be removed if you don't intend to use them?
Such a great design
Quick question on the detents... For the afterburner detent, is it possible to have to far enough to allow some range of travel after the lift? I only ask as I fly in msfs and They usually have reverse thrust - Main power setting - Max power - TOGA. So I'd like to put max and toga behind a detent with enough room to be easily able to set it to the correct power setting while leaving enough play for the main power setting if that makes any sense?
They are completely swappable, PLUS can be moved about 15 Deg either way so between the 10 included pieces, and the adjustment you should be able to get the exact performance you are looking for.. there are also those who have made 3D printed customs ones
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Brilliant thanks so much! Might be worth the upgrade from my cm2 then and a perfect excuse to get a control panel while I'm at it
@@MichaelHenfrey There was a period of time when they were giving people who owned a CM2 a 10% discount on the upgrade. You should maybe contact them and find out if that still applicable
Does lifting the throttle for idle/AB detent send a signal out the controller? I ask because DCS usually has an "idle cutoff" key binding for most engines and it would be nice to have this bound to the throttles position instead of pressing a button
Not that I know if, but joystick gremlin has that feature
Ouch. Just received my CM2 a few weeks ago. I've been busy, so its still sitting in the unopened box. UGH. I'm mainly playing star citizen and elite dangerous. I guess I should be fine, but man, it stings a bit.
Noobifier are you going to do a break down on the Tobii Eye Tracker 5?
I would need to buy one for that and I don’t feel it’s something I would ever use. I have never used FOIP and I see this as another “ thing “ we didn’t need in SC.
Wish they made it reversible so it can be used as a southpaw throttle. It blows my mind that there is STILL no lefty or even ambidextrous combat throttles with hats, encoders and levers on the grip. The only options are non-combat oriented throttle quadrants.
Virpil already have a left hand Alpha stick and an ambidextrous Delta stick. Is a throttle too much to ask for?
Left handed sticks are mainly for space sim users though, not for southpaws. These throttles are mainly for very realistic sims like DCS, and real fighters always have throttles on the left. I can definitely see how that's frustrating for you, but I just don't think there is a large enough market for them to exist without costing $1000 a piece, and even that may not be profitable.
@@GuyFromJupiter Well, I already think an Ambidextrous one marketed at the space sim crowd would be best.
Outstanding.
Now I know what I want for Xmax
thinking about going to twins ticks and now this video lol.
Thanks for sharing.
Wonder if I can retro fit this to my original T50? I MISS my detents!
I made a detent mod for my T50 mark 2 , here's the link forum.virpil.com/index.php?/topic/2174-quick-and-easy-detent-for-mongoose-t-50-throttle-version-3/