You forgot about the DDECIV "HK" S60H 14L 2000-2002 575hp with a factory wastegated 75mm .69AR monster Garrett. No EGR or nonsense, on which you can upgrade to a 177287 80mm BW unit. I have had one for many years making well north of 750 hp at 45+psi.
Its probably been said by now but your thumbnail for the video says ddec vi, ddec v, ddec vi.
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Is the S475 Borg Warner Turbo a Upgrade for both the S60 12.7L & 14.0L? The S60 14.0L NON-EGR Motor was a DDEC 4 Model Correct? Do You also sell Aftermarket Head Gasket Manifolds for Both S60 12.7L & 14.0L?
So I'm thinking about purchasing one of your turbos for my n14 celect it's a 1994 I'm looking at going around 2050 torque what is your recommendation and how do they stack up to a borg warner my n14 cpl is 1809
I'm almost ready to convert my ddec6 to ddec4 non wastegate. Besides changing the exhaust manifold do I need some kind of deleting kit? Putting my order thru you guys.
There's not really upgrades available for the DD15 that I'm familiar with. The S60 is a whole different animal. Sorry man! We can do a video talking about the different DD15 turbos though? Maybe some upgrades will surface in the future
I have a DDEC V turbo that I changed but the flange on the oil return line is different. I dont know what year model the turbo comes from, can you help me?
Got a 99 volvo and needing a new turbo. I plan on keeping the truck for the foreseeable future. Reliability is my main concern, but I don't mind spending a few more bucks if it means more performance and/or MPG. Do you think BW performance part is the way to go? What's the diff in price?
On the ddec 5, is the actuator controlled by manifold boost pressure? Or a different source of air? I ask because I am interested in a custom application and I have been looking for a mechanically controlled vtg turbo. I appreciate any responses to help me!
@@DeLonghe_P_Ness I found it was the exhaust manifold gasket that was not properly installed. Switched to polished manifold .....now I get boost to 35psi
I have a DDEC 5. It's a nightmare with the turbos. The 4s on the 12.7 are stronger. Can I just plug off the VPOD and put on a non waste gated? Is there computer changes that need to be made since there's a speed sensor involved?
Paul - DDEC IV came from the factory with a wastegated turbo. Often times these original turbos are replaced with a non-wastegated turbo down the road; either as a performance upgrade or just because that’s what was available when the last turbo gave up the ghost.
I drive motorcoaches with either the 12.7L S60 and 14L DDEC5 S60 engines way in the back of the bus. You cannot hear the VG turbo at all on the 14L engines, but there is no lag. I can hear the turbo whistle like crazy on the 12.7L, there is lag but it gives a mighty kick in the pants when they spool up. Is there a way to add that nice sounding 12.7L DDEC4 turbo accoustics to the 14L without messing with emissions?
texasabbott - the 12.7L sure does sing! You could absolutely put a DDEC4 turbo for on a DDEC5 truck, but you would need to have some tuning done to compensate for lack of VNT (the ECM would normally be commanding the v-pod to change the position of the VNT). While the 12.7L turbo does sound awesome, if your DDEC5 is running strong without issue, I wouldn’t revert back to the DDEC4 turbo.
@@momentumworx why not? My 06 14l 06 series full deleted egr no v pod with the 12.7 turbo with a waste gate. Ecm tuned and my truck run like scrape ape. Never had it done that it freshly overhauled 78k ago
@Momentum Worx can a k31 use a standard non wastegated s400 exhaust housing just bought one used thinking it was an actual s400 turbo, exhaust housing was cracked.
I don't think so. I've never tried it personally, but the turbine wheels and frame sizes are different. I would be very surprised if it was a direct swap.
You can always switch back to a BW if you are having lag issues with the new turbos. Shoot me over the part number, I can help you figure out if the new turbine housing is too large and generating lag
Theres a link below the video for each turbo with prices and info about them. I think NEW turbos are the best, but in some circumstances, new is not available and there's only reman options. If you are buying a reman, make sure its from a reliable source.
@@terrellscaife2411No, Not necessarily, it depends on what type of turbos you're talking about. Sometimes its 15%, 25%, or 70%. Its all about availability and quality. New BorgWarner turbos tend to be 15-20% less then a new, but then you need to deal with sending your core in and you might not get a full refund if the core was damaged. Then take for example an independently remaned Holset turbo, it might be 60% less then a new Holset turbo. Then comes into question that "Not all remans are created equal". Its important that any turbo (new or reman) is assembled and balanced correctly, or it wont last long.
We deleted our s60 and that baby hauls sticks pretty good with that particular turbo that came on the last models even though we’ve already replaced two turbos, two head gaskets, along with rebuilding the motor and the truck barely has half a million on it. Wanted to go with a older turbo but our mechanic said it wasn’t worth it. Told us to stick with buying Cummins and they haven’t ever let us down so I can’t blame em.
@@RaulGarcia-cg3vn yesssss it depends on the year though. When they started the regen bs is when the series 60 went downhill. They were bad for blowing head gaskets. Cummins are top notch bullet proofed compared to those later series 60 monsters. That’s with the ISX-15’s Cummins though. Emissions have ruined engine reliability these days that’s just how it is. I will say if you decide to delete any truck. Buy a kenworth with the isx-15 and delete it, you’ll have hardly any electrical issues and a bulletproof engine. You can do the same with say a freight shaker but the electrical side of things will drive you insane esp if it’s an automatic….. trust me.
@@tomboy1875 got it..thanks for the info..i own a prostar with the isx..its an 09..the turbo just gave out and I'm thinking about converting it but not really sure if i should since you loose third stage engine brake..solid so far..but being an international does have its faults..
@@RaulGarcia-cg3vn depending on which model isx engine you have you may be able to put a third jake solenoid in and get your third stage jake back...still not as strong as with the vgt but the same as any of the older non vgt trucks then
Hello brother, I have a 09 Freightliner cascadia with S60 14L , I replaced the old turbo was ddec6 and I put a new turbo ddec4 with waste gated and I’m low now with bost , what do you recommend me please ? The other ddec4 without wastegated or parameters on the computer ? Thanks let me know please 👍
You have to have your ecu tuned . DDEC 6 computer’s are programmed to run with a VGT turbo. I’m in the process now. I deleted all the emissions crap and the only thing left to do is change out my VGT turbo
That's subjective, it depends on what your priorities are. The DDEC is going to be cheaper to operate, but might not be as efficient. And Argument could be made for each DDEC and what makes it best.
Joe is my guy for turbos!!
I love the video
one turbo you didn't mention are the non-VGTurbos that came on the factory non-EGR 14.0L.
Thats the motor I have in my truck and it seems like no one really talks about it.
You forgot about the DDECIV "HK" S60H 14L 2000-2002 575hp with a factory wastegated 75mm .69AR monster Garrett. No EGR or nonsense, on which you can upgrade to a 177287 80mm BW unit. I have had one for many years making well north of 750 hp at 45+psi.
Did you put marine cams in it
Sinbad vs Arnold coming for those turbos
Turboman!!!
Say *D DECK* please. That's how it's referred as. DDEC = D DECK. you are welcome.
John C Holmes no need to be DECK about it 😭😭😭
Thanks for the “tip”! 😭😭😭
@@momentumworx I see all the things you did there and I'm giving you extra credit 💯➕3️⃣✔️✔️
DDEC 4 without wastegate will fit 1983 Detroit diesel 8v92 or DDEC 15 ? Please help thanks
Anyone have a link to a ddec 5 to ddec 4 conversion diy video
Its probably been said by now but your thumbnail for the video says ddec vi, ddec v, ddec vi.
Is the S475 Borg Warner Turbo a Upgrade for both the S60 12.7L & 14.0L? The S60 14.0L NON-EGR Motor was a DDEC 4 Model Correct? Do You also sell Aftermarket Head Gasket Manifolds for Both S60 12.7L & 14.0L?
The S475 can be used on the 12.7 and 14L, yes! We have gaskets for the manifold to head, but not the head to block.
So I'm thinking about purchasing one of your turbos for my n14 celect it's a 1994 I'm looking at going around 2050 torque what is your recommendation and how do they stack up to a borg warner my n14 cpl is 1809
I'm almost ready to convert my ddec6 to ddec4 non wastegate. Besides changing the exhaust manifold do I need some kind of deleting kit? Putting my order thru you guys.
Can you do a video on the Cummins QSK turbos? Like specs sizes, and the one that have compounds vs single ones?
what about detroit 60s 11.1L
i got one in my 95’ fld 120
turbo is working good
but was curious in case i need one
And I believe motorcoaches made from 1997-2002 used wastegate turbos
Are going to post dd15 turbo upgrades? Is dds60 compatible with dd15 motor.?
There's not really upgrades available for the DD15 that I'm familiar with. The S60 is a whole different animal. Sorry man!
We can do a video talking about the different DD15 turbos though? Maybe some upgrades will surface in the future
What would be the turbo for the ddec 3 just got engine without turbo . Can I do the turbo for the ddec4
I have a DDEC V turbo that I changed but the flange on the oil return line is different. I dont know what year model the turbo comes from, can you help me?
Shot in the dark but does anyone know if the ddec5 turbo has vanes typically closed without air pressure or open
Got a 99 volvo and needing a new turbo. I plan on keeping the truck for the foreseeable future. Reliability is my main concern, but I don't mind spending a few more bucks if it means more performance and/or MPG. Do you think BW performance part is the way to go? What's the diff in price?
171701 bw is a good turbo. 171702 if your going over 600 hp.
On the ddec 5, is the actuator controlled by manifold boost pressure? Or a different source of air? I ask because I am interested in a custom application and I have been looking for a mechanically controlled vtg turbo. I appreciate any responses to help me!
controlled by vpod
Ha he said a little more boost my 99 ddec 4 tuned with a 171702 borg warner will touch 50 psi bobtail...that bit more than a little
I installed a 171702 on my ddec4 12.7 S60 500hp .....my boost fell to no more than 27.5psi .... Was such a let down
@@vroor32 Need more fuel to push that turbo...I suggest getting tuned to 600hp.
@@DeLonghe_P_Ness I found it was the exhaust manifold gasket that was not properly installed. Switched to polished manifold .....now I get boost to 35psi
Hi.
I have detroit diesel serie 60 12.7...I don't see my turbo description here.
How I can check my turbo especification,for replacement...thks
Borg Warner 171702.
I have a DDEC 5. It's a nightmare with the turbos. The 4s on the 12.7 are stronger. Can I just plug off the VPOD and put on a non waste gated? Is there computer changes that need to be made since there's a speed sensor involved?
You need tuning.
@@davidburdett1920 thank you
HEY?
I’m looking for turbo for DDEC 5
WHIT NO ACTUATOR, OR WASTEGATE
My 2003 century 12.7 s60 detroit with egr uses DDEC IV ECM and DDEC V turbo. I am not sure if DDEC IV TURBOS HAS ACTUATOR.
Paul - DDEC IV came from the factory with a wastegated turbo. Often times these original turbos are replaced with a non-wastegated turbo down the road; either as a performance upgrade or just because that’s what was available when the last turbo gave up the ghost.
11.1 60.series. what's recommended
I drive motorcoaches with either the 12.7L S60 and 14L DDEC5 S60 engines way in the back of the bus. You cannot hear the VG turbo at all on the 14L engines, but there is no lag. I can hear the turbo whistle like crazy on the 12.7L, there is lag but it gives a mighty kick in the pants when they spool up. Is there a way to add that nice sounding 12.7L DDEC4 turbo accoustics to the 14L without messing with emissions?
texasabbott - the 12.7L sure does sing! You could absolutely put a DDEC4 turbo for on a DDEC5 truck, but you would need to have some tuning done to compensate for lack of VNT (the ECM would normally be commanding the v-pod to change the position of the VNT).
While the 12.7L turbo does sound awesome, if your DDEC5 is running strong without issue, I wouldn’t revert back to the DDEC4 turbo.
@@momentumworx why not? My 06 14l 06 series full deleted egr no v pod with the 12.7 turbo with a waste gate. Ecm tuned and my truck run like scrape ape. Never had it done that it freshly overhauled 78k ago
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Can you use the upgrade 4 on 5
@Momentum Worx
can a k31 use a standard non wastegated s400 exhaust housing just bought one used thinking it was an actual s400 turbo, exhaust housing was cracked.
I don't think so. I've never tried it personally, but the turbine wheels and frame sizes are different. I would be very surprised if it was a direct swap.
@@momentumworx Damn. Would you happen to know of anywhere I could get a replacement k31 exhaust housing?
I have a ddec 6 but want to put a ddec 5
I got 1994 s60 , can I upgrate turbo and install ddec4 for more power , already got Garrett gt4294r just need put it in
Can you do a series 50 video?
I've got a new s60 legacy non egr. It had a Borg Warner which was fine an now they put a Garrett in and now its shit an laggy
You can always switch back to a BW if you are having lag issues with the new turbos. Shoot me over the part number, I can help you figure out if the new turbine housing is too large and generating lag
I have a 11.1 ddec3 will the ddec4 work on it?
How much pound of boost does the k31 produce?
So what’s the cost of these turbos and what do you think about reman turbos
Theres a link below the video for each turbo with prices and info about them.
I think NEW turbos are the best, but in some circumstances, new is not available and there's only reman options. If you are buying a reman, make sure its from a reliable source.
Yeah I definitely appreciate your response and knowledge but a reman turbo is about half the price right
@@terrellscaife2411No, Not necessarily, it depends on what type of turbos you're talking about. Sometimes its 15%, 25%, or 70%. Its all about availability and quality.
New BorgWarner turbos tend to be 15-20% less then a new, but then you need to deal with sending your core in and you might not get a full refund if the core was damaged. Then take for example an independently remaned Holset turbo, it might be 60% less then a new Holset turbo. Then comes into question that "Not all remans are created equal". Its important that any turbo (new or reman) is assembled and balanced correctly, or it wont last long.
I have the ddec 6 wut kit do I need 2 switch 2 the performance turbo?
Does a ddec 5 or 4 exhaust manifold bolt on to a ddec6 head?
Yes, just make sure you buy a manifold with the proper orientation. There is a high and low mount, but the bolt pattern is the same across the board.
What is the price for the ddec 4 turbo non wastegated?
Link is in the description
I just bought one for my series 60at PDI for 1150.00 non waste gated, 600hp
Wat upgrade for a ddec3 turbo do you have
Check out our website: Momentumworx.com
We deleted our s60 and that baby hauls sticks pretty good with that particular turbo that came on the last models even though we’ve already replaced two turbos, two head gaskets, along with rebuilding the motor and the truck barely has half a million on it. Wanted to go with a older turbo but our mechanic said it wasn’t worth it. Told us to stick with buying Cummins and they haven’t ever let us down so I can’t blame em.
So cummins has treated yall better than those 60 series?
@@RaulGarcia-cg3vn yesssss it depends on the year though. When they started the regen bs is when the series 60 went downhill. They were bad for blowing head gaskets. Cummins are top notch bullet proofed compared to those later series 60 monsters. That’s with the ISX-15’s Cummins though. Emissions have ruined engine reliability these days that’s just how it is. I will say if you decide to delete any truck. Buy a kenworth with the isx-15 and delete it, you’ll have hardly any electrical issues and a bulletproof engine. You can do the same with say a freight shaker but the electrical side of things will drive you insane esp if it’s an automatic….. trust me.
@@tomboy1875 got it..thanks for the info..i own a prostar with the isx..its an 09..the turbo just gave out and I'm thinking about converting it but not really sure if i should since you loose third stage engine brake..solid so far..but being an international does have its faults..
@@RaulGarcia-cg3vn depending on which model isx engine you have you may be able to put a third jake solenoid in and get your third stage jake back...still not as strong as with the vgt but the same as any of the older non vgt trucks then
Where can I get the kits from
Visit our website for turbos: Momentumworx.com
And the prices ?
Link for every turbo with pricing is in the description.
The K-31 is the best for Detroit serie -60
Why is that
Hello brother, I have a 09 Freightliner cascadia with S60 14L , I replaced the old turbo was ddec6 and I put a new turbo ddec4 with waste gated and I’m low now with bost , what do you recommend me please ? The other ddec4 without wastegated or parameters on the computer ? Thanks let me know please 👍
You have to have your ecu tuned . DDEC 6 computer’s are programmed to run with a VGT turbo. I’m in the process now. I deleted all the emissions crap and the only thing left to do is change out my VGT turbo
@@dontehopkins9862 thanks brother I’m working yet but not good, I will check that 👍👍
Did everything you did with the 12.7 turbo with the waste gate and my 14l hauls ass like no other. It was ecu tuned
Is the ddec4 better then the 5-6 ?
That's subjective, it depends on what your priorities are. The DDEC is going to be cheaper to operate, but might not be as efficient. And Argument could be made for each DDEC and what makes it best.
Ddec 4 es mejor el borgwarner K31 es lo mejor que puedes hacer para ese motor
Yo tengo un serie 60 que le quiero cambiar el turbo para mas poder cual me recomiendaa
@@chriscarri que versión del serie 60 tenés
Es el dd3 asi me dijeron se llama es 97
Ponle el borgwarner K31 que sale del vídeo te saldrá súper bien
Te agradesco mucho are caso de tu recomendacion