Here's a video of this newly restored KW W900 on the Dyno. It has a Detroit Series 60 12.7 engine with 300,000 miles. We were able to take it to 655 HP on a modest tune.
Yes and yes. I still remember bringing home my first anteater IHC hood In 97 it was a 94 with the 11.1 s60 in it. Mom asked me what the motor was. I said its a new Detroit. I She said,how dare you bring a detroit into this family again. It had been 14 yrs since dad had a new worthless POS 8v92 Silver in a truck. S60 turned out to be a most excellent motor.
@@jerrykinnin7941 Detroit Series 60 was developed by an EX CAT Engineer to be better then the older CATS. It was a superior engine that needed less Liters to produce more Horsepower. 12.7 Liter Engine that produces more hp then an older 15 Liter Cat..... Just great engines. Not comparing to the 3406E or the C15 CAT by the way. Comparing to older Cats and Cummins. The 11.1 Detroit was a damn good engine. Slightly smaller Cylinder Bore and Stroke then a 12.7. I believe a 11.1 can be increased into 12.7 liters after a rebuild is done to it.
My dad has 74 W9 with same motor the boys at freightliner told him it couldnt be done but they didnt know my dad. He had to cut a slot in firewall to make motor fit
Kicked everybody's ass when they came out. Only problem is they were known turbo eaters. I know, I spent many an "on call" night at S&S replacing turbos.
I just want like 500 or 525 out of my 12.7. Hopefully it can be done with a good tune and the rears and tranny hold it. Maybe next summer when I start running PA again I will bring it to yall
@@sstevocamaro 15:1 compression was stock for my engine, but everything in it was OEM. I used a PDI(but Full Tilt is better) manifold, a BW171702(but recommend a 78mm unit) turbo, 4-core radiator, upgraded intercooler & a damn good tune from a qualified tuner.
Considering it’s a 12.7 with a tune and cheap Detroit parts it’s damn good numbers, that’s 655hp2000tq to the ground, not bad for a motor that costs you under $10K for a full rebuild, try do that with a Kitty cat
Impressive! That much out of an avg sized engine in comparison to 15, 16 and even 18 liter engines out There! I wonder about it's reliability as a dedicated OTR truck tho with those numbers
Nope.. Properly tuned B Model/Mechanical 3406 Cat. 7mpg and no $3500 injector sets to eat your wallet. 1400 to 2000 Ft lbs of torque.. Your choice. HP ? Your choice.
as a diesel machanic and I had worked on early kenworth w900 it hat and 13speed Eaton with a 6-71 2stroke Detroit diesel it was so loud and and it can pull man the thing was bulletproof it had 3millon plus miles and the thing only had basic maintenance I used to do wheel bearing play check brakes grease the truck but overall the motor was so bullet proof only need old change filter fuck off she goes and was so fucking easy to work on her until I had done clutch replacement but other wise pretty simple and beautiful truck safely the owner operator does 7years ago
@@cjshaw1419 600 Hp or so is achievable with a good 60 Series Detroit, the marine version made around 825hp granted they had a bigger cam, injectors, and a little bigger turbo. These engines have some strong internals in them
The silver series 8v92 left bad feelings in my family as a kid. So I got my first long nose truck took it home. Mom asked what was in it I said a new Detroit Series 60 I thought she was gonna kick me out of the house. I've ran several since then Penske fleet trucks mostly. Great motors. But I'll pass on the 8v92 silvers.
Fuel economy ? Theyre supposed to be super reliable..the new emissions systems on newer engines are the main source of breakdowns/ fires.Lots more semis seem to burning up n smoking strangely..
My buddy has a freightliner with a Detroit tuned at 626hp & 2250 torque with 373 13 speed and a borgwarner turbo...I have a KW with a N14 celect plus set at 600hp & 2050 torque with stock turbo with a 13 speed and 391. When we hit a mountain together we stay pretty close until about halfway up and that old Cummins will start pulling away!
@@cjshaw1419 I like the M11 with the Step timing. I never had an issue with the M11 and at my fire department we have a first generation ISM red top M11 collect plus 400 with a true Jake and it runs great
Been planning a similar build for a while. Still collecting parts. Ddec 4 block. 2004 head, hot cam, bw turbo, 13spd, 4spd, 3.36 rears. All going on 81 w900a sh aredyne. Hope to see those #s or better. Lol
The Military used 60 Series in the M915A2's and M916A2's after they were made by Freightliner instead of CCC which had Cummins only,until the A4's came out with Cummins again.One of the best Detroit ever made.
Probably a 171702. That's the turbo that PP sells without saying it isn't really their turbo. And charging close to $400 more than you can get it elsewhere.
You can move to PA or WV and bring that 14 liter and go beaf it up. You can get 2100 pounds+ and get straight pipes and possibly kick the EGR off and install a better ECM. It's an option plus cost of living is cheaper and because of the mountains you can throw gears and Jake as much as you want with out someone calling the police
Commercial drivers should start REFUSING to operate in/out of Commiefornia. When the state sees shortages for basic, everyday things - maybe things would change....
did the gentleman loose on Mpg or did it get better? and i run a series 60 very good engine, what RPM is the peak torque for the S60? because someone peeled the spec. sticker off the engine (not me lol) before i started operating the truck for my boss.
The one question I've asked a few times that I've never got an answer on is "what is the difference between the DDEC4 6067MK60 and the 6067BK60"? Bought my '03 IH-9400i in 2010 (9 years ago) with a DDEC4 12.7L 6067MK60 with 665,600 miles. In March 2016 with 1,012,600 miles it needed in-framed when piston rings failed in two kits. When I got it in '10 it was only 370/435HP, and after rebuild I had Clarke Diesel make it a straight 470HP, said they couldn't give me anymore. I don't understand as my 1999 Volvo with 12.7L 6067BK60 put out 500HP/1650lb-ft from the factory. I have no bottom-end power and don't understand difference between MK60 and BK60 if they are identically the same engine. I haul a lot of loads grossed at 85k-90k pounds and it feels very weak for being 470HP. I love my Detroit motor but I'm begging for more power. This summer I'm planning on replacing 10-sp direct trans and 2.64 geared rearends for a 13-sp O.D. trans and possibly 3.58 to 3.91 ratio rearends. Not sure what ratio at this point with LP22.5 wheels. It's embarrassing going down highway at 95k-lbs at 15'ft wide with front/rear escorts and I can't climb hills (falling to 30-mph uphill) such as those on I-64 between Louisville and Evansville.
@@Closeoutracer yup, my 400 big cam is kicking 550 hp and 1400 lbft. But they're short stroke motors, bad for producing torque. I've got a 02 379 with the 6nz cat, 550 hp and 1850 torque and I have have a 2000 379 with the 12.7. The Detroit is tuned, 600 horse and 1850 torque. Itll pull right along with that cat if you keep the Detroit higher up in the rpms, that's what they like.
@@jeremywilliams4381 Cats rule the hills and mountains.. when you need it. Hard to drag down. I'd stick w the 6NZ. I like Detroits.. but I'm realistic about their pulling power.
@@Closeoutracer seriously what is the difference in time really going to be when and If one engine slightly pulls away from another up a hill? A few seconds at most... It's about reliability and fuel economy and having good reasonable power. Personally I've driven alot of Cats and Cummins I actually reckon that the signature Cummins goes better than C15 but not so much to write home about. I have a series 60 now too in a old truck and it goes pretty dam good it's only 430hp but yeah I really think it's people getting to caught up in there favorite brands. A cat ,Cummins or Detroit all go pretty much the same depending on model etc.
It's really not that crazy. Lots of guys have a lot more than that with no problems. Yall talk about it like it's an engine half the size. It's literally 2 liters smaller. Not that much in the grand scheme.
@@sstevocamaro thousands of guys have reliably. You make it sound like it's half the size. 5.9 cummins put down 2000 lbs all the time reliably and those are literally half the size
600hp is good hp to have in a rig, any thing over 650 is wasing money on extra diesel, having a truck thats good on fuel realy helps to make even more money😁😁😁
No.. Series 60 was designed by Roger Penske's race engine engineers. Penske bought Detroit Diesel when it was in shambles in the mid 80's.. Old engines no one wanted. Illmor Engineering built most Penske racing engines. Series 60 was 1st with overhead cam and EFI. Deere had nothing to do with Series 60.. Under Penske Detroit Diesel did build and license their electronics/efi packages to other manufacturers.
No i recall john deere &detroit diesel were going to joint venture *desined the 60 but split ?where do you think the weep check valves on the side of block between liner o rings came from ( hint john deere ) . Penske bought the detroit diesel with the 60 series already on market
mdh recoil To be honest, I’ve never run a 14.0 myself but the EGR delete is bound to help the engine if done correctly. If the 14.0 is like the 12.7 , I’m sure it has the same EGR hesitating/bucking condition. I’m amazed at how bad the emissions system made a great engine run.
I was being sarcastic. Nobody actually does that, and as far as should be fine, speaking from experience, it won’t be. Lol. But it’ll be awesome in the meantime! Watched a few customers go through this cycle at work. Have heard the stories of “I pull hills at 70mph in top gear but don’t understand why I overheat” while I’m replacing injectors and cups.
Is this HP to the tires? Total Dino power or is the final HP and Torque figures fly wheel figures? If that is to the ground HP she would be well over 700 at fly wheel.
Evil Me am not sure what model of turbo is it, i live in Dallas Tx, the store i bought it is from Majestic Turbo, they sell any kind of turbo u want, mine hits 600HP
@@alanis26 Just curious as I started out with a Borg Warner S400 75mm aka S475 and I was dynoed at just over 675 hp to the wheels on my 12.7L. I did my research and I currently have a S400 with a 91mm compressor, I tuned my truck based off egt and keeping it around 1100° F but have not yet had it on the dyno again. It should be a bit more, feels like a lot more, but my butt dyno is not accurate lol.
Yea u definitely have to tweak the 12.7 a little to give it some life. Never had a dyno but I added a pp exhaust manifold and a "110hp tune". Seems to be tons better
Most prefer the Detroit series 60 for mpg. Of course a bigger displacement motor is going to have more power and torque to give. Just don't expect the mpg to be there.
@@alfonsgar Agreed.... How about wear on the engine ? Id say the bigger engine with stronger torque (especialy them Cats at low rpm) will last abit longer than the engine which is smaller and produces the same HP... (atleast that's what im thinking... )
@@kevinkelley3657 What im thinking is can a High RPM engine like Detroit run at such Low RPM like a Cat ? Same with them Paccarengines vs (sorry to say it) Volvo engines... The Paccar is slow between the 1200-1500rpm and starts getting (some sort of) power at 1500-1900 rpm... Which hasnt changed since the older DAF/Paccar engines... Where as the Volvo engines... they work (Like a Cat) best at 900-1400rpm from 1400 - 1700rpm the turbo really starts working and you'll get the HP required on a hillclimb (if you need it at all) So can a Detroit run at LOW Rpm ? Without lugging to shutdown ? A Cat sure can it's built to work at low RPM and able to lug it's way up the hill.
I dont see why people always prasing cat, i perfer a detroit over a cat and day, cats are diesel hoggs and in the end your going to be spending alot on money on fuel and down time, to rebuild a cat cost alot as well
It's not that crazy lmao. Yall are making this a way bigger deal than it is. Look online. There's numerous examples of 12.7s set at 22-2500lb ft. 2050 is literally stock like numbers. Not that impressive
these guys ass kissing Cats must have padded wallets. I've had all three and I wouldn't buy another Cat anything. for starters, it's an extinct engine,secondly it's too expensive. a platinum rebuild kit is over $30,000 .it takes half of that to build a Detroit. if you get an Accert,get ready to spend more money. actuators failing,oil cooler problems,turbos cracking,and liners in the blocks failing.they can become a nightmare and a money pit. the Detroit and Cummins are a better way to go and the Detroit is actually cheaper of the two.
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I love a 3406B but the 12.7 Detroit is an amazing piece of machinery.
Agreed. 3406b driver myself.
That’s a sharp looking kenworth as soon as you get done testing her, just park her in my driveway thank you 🙏 kindly
Lmaooo!!
😎
I'm a OTR driver, I'm so used to cars on the dyno. This is a nice change of pace.
12.7 & 14.0 were so much better than todays DD13 & DD15 crap
Ed Wu yes, SO MUCH BETTER
Yes and yes. I still remember bringing home my first anteater IHC hood
In 97 it was a 94 with the 11.1 s60 in it. Mom asked me what the motor was. I said its a new Detroit.
I She said,how dare you bring a detroit into this family again. It had been 14 yrs since dad had a new worthless POS 8v92 Silver in a truck. S60 turned out to be a most excellent motor.
@@jerrykinnin7941 Detroit Series 60 was developed by an EX CAT Engineer to be better then the older CATS. It was a superior engine that needed less Liters to produce more Horsepower. 12.7 Liter Engine that produces more hp then an older 15 Liter Cat..... Just great engines. Not comparing to the 3406E or the C15 CAT by the way. Comparing to older Cats and Cummins. The 11.1 Detroit was a damn good engine. Slightly smaller Cylinder Bore and Stroke then a 12.7. I believe a 11.1 can be increased into 12.7 liters after a rebuild is done to it.
@@josefastboats5874 an 12.7 is an 11.1 with a bigger stroke. The bore is the same..
The dd13 is a mercedes so it's actually the best. Mercedes does diesel better than anyone
12.7 is the best motor ever made
lol
That truck ain’t no joke. Much respect 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Nice rig! Looking very sharp and a real working class!
Man,that's one sharp looking truck. That would be nice to run in the mountains with
Glad it held together!!! . Lavern would of kick my butt..
My dad has 74 W9 with same motor the boys at freightliner told him it couldnt be done but they didnt know my dad. He had to cut a slot in firewall to make motor fit
Best engine ever made Detroit series 60 for o/o engine will not let you down
That's your opinion over likes,I had two gave out on me.
I wish I could like your comment a million times
Kicked everybody's ass when they came out. Only problem is they were known turbo eaters. I know, I spent many an "on call" night at S&S replacing turbos.
@@b-trucker7717 Series 60 tune-up? Hole in the side of the block, rod kicked out the block? LOL.
Without a doubt!!
I just want like 500 or 525 out of my 12.7. Hopefully it can be done with a good tune and the rears and tranny hold it. Maybe next summer when I start running PA again I will bring it to yall
I like that dyno set up. I've never seen anything like that 😮
I love deitroit
I made 697/2190 at the flywheel on a stock engine...I'm super impressed with it right now! Might be making more in the future.
Hey George what Year Make, engine and model was it that your Diesel engine made that power???
@@crewcab1984rv '93 DDEC II, but it was rebuilt as a DDEC IV. It's about to get some other parts installed & back on the dyno for more adjustments.
@@DeLonghe_P_Ness What all did you have to do? Bigger injectors, turbo, manifold, and tune?
@@sstevocamaro 15:1 compression was stock for my engine, but everything in it was OEM. I used a PDI(but Full Tilt is better) manifold, a BW171702(but recommend a 78mm unit) turbo, 4-core radiator, upgraded intercooler & a damn good tune from a qualified tuner.
Thats some good power and torque its putting down to the ground :-)
Comes with 500hp ceramic pistons new turbo and a manifold for a little over 100hp isn't that great for how much all that cost
Considering it’s a 12.7 with a tune and cheap Detroit parts it’s damn good numbers, that’s 655hp2000tq to the ground, not bad for a motor that costs you under $10K for a full rebuild, try do that with a Kitty cat
@@jeromewieland55 was that 2000 torque you said, I was going to ask how much torque, couldn't see it.
Detroit Nation baby 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
Lovely truck and a lot of mumbo out of a 12.7 L.
I love that truck 😍😍😍
Impressive! That much out of an avg sized engine in comparison to 15, 16 and even 18 liter engines out There! I wonder about it's reliability as a dedicated OTR truck tho with those numbers
600hp isn’t gonna hurt nothing if tuned right.
This engine currently has 700,000 miles on it and works every day.
Beautiful truck.
Best engine ever period. One to rule them all.
Uh no not even close.
No way I have one an its crap
Nope.. Properly tuned B Model/Mechanical 3406 Cat. 7mpg and no $3500 injector sets to eat your wallet. 1400 to 2000 Ft lbs of torque.. Your choice. HP ? Your choice.
I’ve never had a ShitCat out pull me with my 850 hp Marine cam and marine injectors in my little pussy buster 12.7 Dickmonster
@@jeromewieland55 weed is a hell of a drug...better stop...
The word NO doesn't apply to that big horse!Series 60!!🐴🐴🐴🐴🐴🐴💯💯💯💯💯💯⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️✅️👍
as a diesel machanic and I had worked on early kenworth w900 it hat and 13speed Eaton with a 6-71 2stroke Detroit diesel it was so loud and and it can pull man the thing was bulletproof it had 3millon plus miles and the thing only had basic maintenance I used to do wheel bearing play check brakes grease the truck but overall the motor was so bullet proof only need old change filter fuck off she goes and was so fucking easy to work on her until I had done clutch replacement but other wise pretty simple and beautiful truck safely the owner operator does 7years ago
Well i guess numbers dont lie um proud of my detroit
Remember, that was after they 'tuned' it up a little. The average 60 series usually needs a little adjusting to start putting down power like that.
@@cjshaw1419 600 Hp or so is achievable with a good 60 Series Detroit, the marine version made around 825hp granted they had a bigger cam, injectors, and a little bigger turbo. These engines have some strong internals in them
The best engine in my opinion Detroit 60 series ddec3
The silver series 8v92 left bad feelings in my family as a kid. So I got my first long nose truck took it home. Mom asked what was in it
I said a new Detroit Series 60 I thought she was gonna kick me out of the house.
I've ran several since then
Penske fleet trucks mostly.
Great motors. But I'll pass on the 8v92 silvers.
Fuel economy ? Theyre supposed to be super reliable..the new emissions systems on newer engines are the main source of breakdowns/ fires.Lots more semis seem to burning up n smoking strangely..
My buddy has a freightliner with a Detroit tuned at 626hp & 2250 torque with 373 13 speed and a borgwarner turbo...I have a KW with a N14 celect plus set at 600hp & 2050 torque with stock turbo with a 13 speed and 391. When we hit a mountain together we stay pretty close until about halfway up and that old Cummins will start pulling away!
It's because the gear ratio at that point outweighs the 373
I love how just a simple ECM and injector change can build a butt load of more torque. 60 series and N14 are both great motors
@@Darth-Nihilus1 No love for the M-11?
@@cjshaw1419 I like the M11 with the Step timing. I never had an issue with the M11 and at my fire department we have a first generation ISM red top M11 collect plus 400 with a true Jake and it runs great
Your n14 blows cock. Only detroits are real diesels. Yours has probably already blown up.
Been planning a similar build for a while. Still collecting parts. Ddec 4 block. 2004 head, hot cam, bw turbo, 13spd, 4spd, 3.36 rears. All going on 81 w900a sh aredyne. Hope to see those #s or better. Lol
The Military used 60 Series in the M915A2's and M916A2's after they were made by Freightliner instead of CCC which had Cummins only,until the A4's came out with Cummins again.One of the best Detroit ever made.
What internals do I need to put in my ddec 3 to be able to handle this power?
I hope they don't get sued by sinister diesel for the blue color
is that just a cover on that firewall?. Love the hidden wire look.
What turbo is on the engine? Old factory, new factory twin scroll or a bw 171702?
Probably a 171702. That's the turbo that PP sells without saying it isn't really their turbo. And charging close to $400 more than you can get it elsewhere.
I want to make my 14L Detroit run like that, but it's sad I live in corrupfornia, the state that killed fun trucking.
Hell sorry to say but your state killed eveything.
You can move to PA or WV and bring that 14 liter and go beaf it up. You can get 2100 pounds+ and get straight pipes and possibly kick the EGR off and install a better ECM. It's an option plus cost of living is cheaper and because of the mountains you can throw gears and Jake as much as you want with out someone calling the police
Commercial drivers should start REFUSING to operate in/out of Commiefornia.
When the state sees shortages for basic, everyday things - maybe things would change....
@@Acroposthion I hope so because that DEF and SCR costs shit loads of money and the down time is days to weeks
Maybe some good news soon!
I have a new non egr 12.7 Detroit and luv it.
Bad ass.
did the gentleman loose on Mpg or did it get better? and i run a series 60 very good engine, what RPM is the peak torque for the S60? because someone peeled the spec. sticker off the engine (not me lol) before i started operating the truck for my boss.
Hi I have a 14.0 series 60 I want to get it tuned I’m getting very poor fuel average about 4.8-5 if you can help please reply
The one question I've asked a few times that I've never got an answer on is "what is the difference between the DDEC4 6067MK60 and the 6067BK60"? Bought my '03 IH-9400i in 2010 (9 years ago) with a DDEC4 12.7L 6067MK60 with 665,600 miles. In March 2016 with 1,012,600 miles it needed in-framed when piston rings failed in two kits. When I got it in '10 it was only 370/435HP, and after rebuild I had Clarke Diesel make it a straight 470HP, said they couldn't give me anymore. I don't understand as my 1999 Volvo with 12.7L 6067BK60 put out 500HP/1650lb-ft from the factory. I have no bottom-end power and don't understand difference between MK60 and BK60 if they are identically the same engine. I haul a lot of loads grossed at 85k-90k pounds and it feels very weak for being 470HP. I love my Detroit motor but I'm begging for more power. This summer I'm planning on replacing 10-sp direct trans and 2.64 geared rearends for a 13-sp O.D. trans and possibly 3.58 to 3.91 ratio rearends. Not sure what ratio at this point with LP22.5 wheels. It's embarrassing going down highway at 95k-lbs at 15'ft wide with front/rear escorts and I can't climb hills (falling to 30-mph uphill) such as those on I-64 between Louisville and Evansville.
They have different compression. BK is a premium version it also has better wrist pins, injectors and camshaft
Also you can re map the fuel program in a BK motor others you cant
Nice
As any "gear head" knows, it's all about the torque baby. What is the ft lbs torque?
UNKAGLEN 2050 ft lbs
Yep .. right on.. Some of the Big Cams are showing impressive 500hp plus HP numbers and only hitting 1200ft lbs.. Weak sauce.. Pathetic actually.
@@Closeoutracer yup, my 400 big cam is kicking 550 hp and 1400 lbft. But they're short stroke motors, bad for producing torque. I've got a 02 379 with the 6nz cat, 550 hp and 1850 torque and I have have a 2000 379 with the 12.7. The Detroit is tuned, 600 horse and 1850 torque. Itll pull right along with that cat if you keep the Detroit higher up in the rpms, that's what they like.
@@jeremywilliams4381 Cats rule the hills and mountains.. when you need it. Hard to drag down. I'd stick w the 6NZ. I like Detroits.. but I'm realistic about their pulling power.
@@Closeoutracer seriously what is the difference in time really going to be when and If one engine slightly pulls away from another up a hill? A few seconds at most... It's about reliability and fuel economy and having good reasonable power. Personally I've driven alot of Cats and Cummins I actually reckon that the signature Cummins goes better than C15 but not so much to write home about. I have a series 60 now too in a old truck and it goes pretty dam good it's only 430hp but yeah I really think it's people getting to caught up in there favorite brands. A cat ,Cummins or Detroit all go pretty much the same depending on model etc.
That's a ton of cylinder pressure to make 2050lbft of torque with 12.7L. I don't imagine parts will last too long at that tune.
Exactly. That thing is making serious boost. I wouldn’t recommend going over 550/1850 with a 12.7 imo..
It's really not that crazy. Lots of guys have a lot more than that with no problems. Yall talk about it like it's an engine half the size. It's literally 2 liters smaller. Not that much in the grand scheme.
@@sstevocamaro thousands of guys have reliably. You make it sound like it's half the size. 5.9 cummins put down 2000 lbs all the time reliably and those are literally half the size
what would the possible fuel mpg and the cost to get this done.
What gear do you have them start out in on the Dyno?
And people say that cats have more horsepower than detroits🙄 when my little 12.7 passes you up a hill in your c15 then maybe you'll understand
Where can I the same parts ?
How many miles you can head on this engine?
Awesome!
ThE 12.7 iS uNdEr PoWeReD said the cat fanboi right before he got out pulled lol
my shitroit can outpull a CAT...said the poor driver with a tuned shitroit lol
What gear is the test done in?
600hp is good hp to have in a rig, any thing over 650 is wasing money on extra diesel, having a truck thats good on fuel realy helps to make even more money😁😁😁
More power more mpg if the driver is good. Just cause ya have it doesn't mean ya gotta use it?
you can get better mpg at 1/4 pedal 650 then pedal then too the floor 435
quiero uno igual, con la Detroit 12.7
Did John Deere help design the 60 series? Someone told me that years ago.Any truth to that?
No.. Series 60 was designed by Roger Penske's race engine engineers. Penske bought Detroit Diesel when it was in shambles in the mid 80's.. Old engines no one wanted. Illmor Engineering built most Penske racing engines. Series 60 was 1st with overhead cam and EFI. Deere had nothing to do with Series 60.. Under Penske Detroit Diesel did build and license their electronics/efi packages to other manufacturers.
No i recall john deere &detroit diesel were going to joint venture *desined the 60 but split ?where do you think the weep check valves on the side of block between liner o rings came from ( hint john deere ) . Penske bought the detroit diesel with the 60 series already on market
So the 12.7 is 55 horsepower weaker than the ISX 15 and c16, I rather have a 60 series anyday.
mdh recoil I’ll take a pre-emissions 12.7 any day. Properly serviced, it’s a 1million mile engine @ 6-7 mpg.
@@prevost8686 I love the 12.7 for reliability hands down. The EGR on the later DDEC IV's doesn't have the service life
mdh recoil I would agree. They also seemed to buck/jerk constantly.
@@prevost8686 what are your thoughts on an EGR delete 14 liter 60
mdh recoil To be honest, I’ve never run a 14.0 myself but the EGR delete is bound to help the engine if done correctly. If the 14.0 is like the 12.7 , I’m sure it has the same EGR hesitating/bucking condition. I’m amazed at how bad the emissions system made a great engine run.
What is the Year of this KW?
With all the extra power (heat), is there an upgrade that cools your cylinder head faster so you don’t melt a set of injectors/cups every 18 months?
Should be fine
Water methanol injection
Or propane injection
I was being sarcastic. Nobody actually does that, and as far as should be fine, speaking from experience, it won’t be. Lol. But it’ll be awesome in the meantime! Watched a few customers go through this cycle at work. Have heard the stories of “I pull hills at 70mph in top gear but don’t understand why I overheat” while I’m replacing injectors and cups.
@@Calvinmetal Yup, I don’t recommend going over 550hp with a 12.7.. I’d leave 600+hp to the 14/15 liters
Is this HP to the tires? Total Dino power or is the final HP and Torque figures fly wheel figures? If that is to the ground HP she would be well over 700 at fly wheel.
Spencer Burk....... What is the truck hooked up to ?!!!!?..... Does that look like an engine dynamometer to You!??!
Can a Detroit 11.1 be turned up to 500hp?
I’m wondering the same thing. I believe you can get 500 out of one just not sure what it’s gonna take. I would guess a turbo, injectors and a tune.
They have a guy on TH-cam with a 550hp 11.1 in a cab over
Yea 3:73 an 3:91 ratio is the difference
Was this with bigger injectors, can and hotter ecm or stock configuration? If stock configuration what was the rating for ecm and internals?
Freight Shakin' Schroeder the inyectors are the same, i have a 12.7 at 600 Hp on ecm tune and big turbo that's it
@@alanis26 You running a bw 171702 turbo? Tge s400 75mm?
Evil Me am not sure what model of turbo is it, i live in Dallas Tx, the store i bought it is from Majestic Turbo, they sell any kind of turbo u want, mine hits 600HP
@@alanis26 Just curious as I started out with a Borg Warner S400 75mm aka S475 and I was dynoed at just over 675 hp to the wheels on my 12.7L. I did my research and I currently have a S400 with a 91mm compressor, I tuned my truck based off egt and keeping it around 1100° F but have not yet had it on the dyno again. It should be a bit more, feels like a lot more, but my butt dyno is not accurate lol.
Evil Me damn u have done alot of stuff on the truck, am happy with 600 hp since its easy for the truck to haul 80,000 lbs
But does it pulll hard ??? Lol hated my gutless 12.7 , put a generic tune on it and still gutless, shoulda went to PP I guess
Yea u definitely have to tweak the 12.7 a little to give it some life. Never had a dyno but I added a pp exhaust manifold and a "110hp tune". Seems to be tons better
Gear ratio is prolly the most important factor in pulling power. If the engine is running outside its powerband you'll hate it
It may sounds like BS. But, a 650 HP Detroit, sure don't pull like a 650 HP Cat. Just my experience. I've ran both, I prefer the cat for power.
Most prefer the Detroit series 60 for mpg. Of course a bigger displacement motor is going to have more power and torque to give. Just don't expect the mpg to be there.
@@alfonsgar Agreed.... How about wear on the engine ? Id say the bigger engine with stronger torque (especialy them Cats at low rpm) will last abit longer than the engine which is smaller and produces the same HP... (atleast that's what im thinking... )
A 12.7 detroit just doesn't make the torque that a 15 liter engine does, but this one is still impressive.
@@kevinkelley3657 What im thinking is can a High RPM engine like Detroit run at such Low RPM like a Cat ?
Same with them Paccarengines vs (sorry to say it) Volvo engines... The Paccar is slow between the 1200-1500rpm and starts getting (some sort of) power at 1500-1900 rpm... Which hasnt changed since the older DAF/Paccar engines... Where as the Volvo engines... they work (Like a Cat) best at 900-1400rpm from 1400 - 1700rpm the turbo really starts working and you'll get the HP required on a hillclimb (if you need it at all)
So can a Detroit run at LOW Rpm ? Without lugging to shutdown ? A Cat sure can it's built to work at low RPM and able to lug it's way up the hill.
I dont see why people always prasing cat, i perfer a detroit over a cat and day, cats are diesel hoggs and in the end your going to be spending alot on money on fuel and down time, to rebuild a cat cost alot as well
CAt Killer
Sit kamion haaa
is that at the rear end or just flywheel?
It's at the wheels
Thank God for the mute button. Fuck this damn music
whats the gearing and trans
Show us on the dyno if you magically got "2050" torque when it was only pushing 1550 on video
It's not that crazy lmao. Yall are making this a way bigger deal than it is. Look online. There's numerous examples of 12.7s set at 22-2500lb ft. 2050 is literally stock like numbers. Not that impressive
these guys ass kissing Cats must have padded wallets. I've had all three and I wouldn't buy another Cat anything. for starters, it's an extinct engine,secondly it's too expensive. a platinum rebuild kit is over $30,000 .it takes half of that to build a Detroit. if you get an Accert,get ready to spend more money. actuators failing,oil cooler problems,turbos cracking,and liners in the blocks failing.they can become a nightmare and a money pit. the Detroit and Cummins are a better way to go and the Detroit is actually cheaper of the two.
It's a CAT thing you wouldn't understand obviously....
Ummm, the 60 series is extinct also sir.
@@sstevocamaro3 years difference in the comments Bub…
shit torq
If it’s a 82 why not put a 8v92 in her and be period correct
because that period of time is long gone and it'd be the slowest truck on the road leaving oil stains across the country .... maybe
Torque is no impressive
not at all
Weak
Sounds like u left the vgt still on??? GARBAGE
Lmfaaoooo VGT is a current technology
MSengineering David idiot
Anthony Guzman your momma
MSengineering David 🤣
No vgt in this beauty.