BEST Turbo Upgrades for Detroit Series 60 12.7 and 14 Liter
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- Looking for turbo upgrade options on your Detroit Series 60 engine? We break down the common turbo upgrades and talk about which options would make a good upgrade on YOUR series 60 engine!
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14 liter 500 hp stock injectors 12.7 exhaust manifold. With k31 is lit 🔥. So cheap you can carry a spare turbo with ya. Enjoy.
Did you tune it? Or just bolt on?
Yes I used a remote programmer literally took him 20 minutes to change my truck.
Which programmer are you using?
Great video
I just put the Sx on my 825 marine motor, it works better then my old billlet wheel S475. lower egts, and I picked up nearly 15hp at the back wheels with no fuel changes, now currently running 621hp at the wheels.
Year 2000 BK at 525hp+ with 171702 with high flow exhaust from end-to-end, dual mufflers, w/ turbo blanket. Run 1200-1400 rpm 98% of the time and pull grades at 1300 rpm. Spool is not to bad but opening up exhaust is a must. Summer IFTA 7.5mpg 78k back-and-forth over divide. 61mph.
Goal is fuel economy; I run slow in the flats and pull long grades in the torque band. The slightly bigger turbo helps on both points at the expense of responsiveness but with exaust mods its not bad.
On grades truck pulls down to 1150rpm & 20psi really helping to hold the gear and enable low rpm shifts. When hot on a grade with the blanket it spools back quick between shifts. EGTs 950F+ though if pulling in 1100 rpm range.
Cold spooling below 1200 rpm takes forever. But I'm a slug and tunnel vision on high IFTA with lots of mountain miles for OTR.
I'm new to the terminology you are using. I would appreciate if you could explain what does "high flow exhaust from end-to-end" / "opening up exhaust is a must" mean?
I have 97 60 12.7 / 500 hp with a $280+ stock turbo from JMT that wouldn't go over 21psi
before I did a custom reflash in Houston tuning shop that raised turbo to 31 psi .
Sitting on a fence thinking what turbo to buy: same stock, k31 or 1702?
Any information will be highly appreciated
The real gain to the 171702 is no waste gate, it does lack a little of low end power, bought my turbo from highway and heavy parts, interstate MC bee $504 it was a good increase over factory, also put in 5195 injectors, large 8 hole, keeps the EGT down by spraying the piston with fuel, works great, but my fuel mileage is not great, but I run over the road and I push it hard pulling 80,000# all the time
Yes sir, I have a 171702 from interstate MC bee, it was $504, it works great but can see where it lags on low end power, it's an 12.7 with factory 500hp and 1650tq tune with 5195 injectors which are 10%over for my tune, it runs hard if I'm about 1600rpm's
Thank you this is exactly the information I was looking for! So with 5915 injectors, a marine cam, and a “550” tune that’s running +7 in a truck that is running long haul 80k lbs would the 11 blade house turbo be the recommended one?
Nice video
Which one fits a serie 60 12,7litter Frht century with 600hp?
Thank you!
How much $ will cost?
Can do this for mbn motor for cat and c15 acert
Which year and size series 60 is the best to start with
thank u👏🙏
What would you recommend for a CFM 570 cumminns 500 to 600 horse switching to T6 flange.
What is your recommendation for a 11.1L Series 60? Stock just looking to help her breathe a little better.
How about a freightliner cascadia dd13? My current turbo is shot and I think I should upgrade it rather than replace it.
Whats the thrust thing?
I have a stock 12.7 w/egr. Can I still use the k31?
I'm looking to do and engine build 12.7 1998 through 2000 so what do you recommend for a daily driver with a combination of great horsepower with efficiency.
So what Cam, Injectors, Manifold, Turbo, Air to Air Charger setup. I stay under 80,000 lbs . I run from Texas to Pacific Northwest. So mountains. I currently have MX13 Paccar, 18 speed, T680 kenworth but I'm doing engine glider kit swap. Any advice is appreciated in advance Thanks
I have a no egr 14.0L engine where do I get it rebuilt to handle 700hp turbo on crazy hand welded header for series 60. Get you the name
QUESTION? 2005 COLUMBIA WITH A 60 SERIES DDEC6 HAD THE EGR I DELETED IT AND HAD IT TUNED TO 500+ HP. WHICH TURBO WOULD I CHOOSE FOR THE BEST FUEL MILAGE. PLEASE LET ME KNOW I DID NOT UPDATE INJECTORS OR ANYRHING JUST RUNNING STOCK WITH DELETED EGR AND HP FROM 455 TO 500
why are compounds not found on Detroit's?
I'm running the following
Late model 6067PK60 DDEC4
16.5:1 Monotherm piston
23524912 camshaft
5915 injectors
15% over on the peddle
25% on cruise
Garbage truck yokes and driveline
2500 torque clutch
Full tilt manifold
Bulldog stage 1 turbo
Custom made Head studs
650hp/2050 torque
My question is simple, since I wasted 2200.00 on Pittsburgh Power's big turbo
What do you recommend? I'm about to compound it, or buy a switchblade.
So what about the Garrett GT4708?
Can you build an engine that will handle the biggest turbo and maintain reliability
What is an example of Fueling up grade on 12.7 for the 11 blade s475? 20% over stock?
5% over stock and it will fly
Whats recommended for DDEC IV 14l non egr set at 550 currently. would like 650-700 in the future. Thinking the 76mm
Did you figure it out?
When you say mods, what exactly do you mean?
Hi there! I have an old S60 11.1 wich is getting rebuild at the moment. Wich turbo would you recommend to upgrade. Looking for better performance since it was a bit slow uphill. Rears are 3.07 ( 14.47 ) and 10 speed transmission.
Dude I'd say k31 on that small 11.1
somebody told me that a 1.15 ar is too short fro a 14L S60 515hp. but I'm having troubles with the 171702 with stock 515hp. ill definitely order a K31 ASAP
How it works for you
Get more fuel in it with your tune
Wrong tune
Isn't the S410SX journal bearing slightly longer than the std S400 ones? Correct me if I'm wrong😀
close, but the journal bearings are indeed the same. they're just set in a wider spacing in the S410SX housing
Im running a 12.7L bk with 7014 injectors, full tilt manifold and a 550hp tune from Brent. I took a 1702 turbo and stuck a 1.15 exhaust housing on it. Was wondering what your opinion is on that setup.
I'm looking at buying one right now with 12.7L, 800 Marine Cam, 7014 Injectors, Stainless Manifold, 78mm Turbo dyno and tuned for 650hp
How does it run with that 1.15 housing?
What about a upgraded turbo for an n14 I'm running a stock 525 now and trying for 2050 torque
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I have a 2009 14liter. I had the dpf and egr deleted. What size turbo will be good to add more power
Also what is a lightly modified truck in your opinion
Watt is the difference between your k31 and the Zeki k31 hybrid turbo you did not include that in the video
The Zeki K31/GT43 hybrid is a GT42 frame turbo with a billet wheel (like the K31). This turbo was not included in the comparison because we can only cover so many turbos in one shot. This is a solid option and very much comparable with a K31 for the sake of comparison.
Cummins later ISX upgrades?
What’s the specs on the ISX 451ve and 561ve would the 561ve be a upgrade for the 2250 2350 to keep the VGT
depends on which 451 and which 561 we are comparing, they both come in different sizes. If you are hell bent on upgrading the VGT on a single cam, I would recommend just having your 451 modified with larger wheels.
@@momentumworx I don’t know the sizes of the 561 I have the 67mm 451 now. Not hell bent on anything just like to know.everyone’s input
Hey momentum worx I have a Detroit 60 series but with a turbo borgwarner 171701 but the response time is kinda of slow will it be better if I upgrade to a 171702??
No. The 701 spools quicker than the 702 unless your engine has been tuned…
C12 discussion next? Lol😂
Good idea, let me do some research on this one and I will try to put something together.
Hi. My name is Ramiro. I have 2009 S60 14L Detroit. I did the cancellation on the EGR and all the staff. I got some Chinese torvo and is working but take to long to the engine pic up I wander if you can tell what turvo be best for my engine?
Hola Ramiro. I have the same engine on my 2009 Columbia. Did you find out what the problem was?
I have an 07 classis with a egr 14 litter detroit, I deleted the egr and replaced the turbo with the borg warner K31 turbo, the part number is 171743, it is the best turbo to keep it stock, meaning you don't have to upgrade injectors ir anything, I did though replace the manifold with the ceramic coated high performance manifold.
It works great with that set up.
Just seeing this what is the best for stock 60 series 12.7 455 hp ??
Trk stop an go 66,000 gross
Thank you
K31
I just have a stock 12.7 what turbo I would need and price
172743 - see our website for latest pricing
Got a ddec4 set at 500 with a full tilt manifold. The stock garret turbo let go. It doesn’t respond very good with a 171702 turbo. Would a 171701 work better
Yea my dad 430 has a 171701 n it spools a lil quick 171702 spool slow on a 12.7
@@truckingjamaicans5045 stuck with the 171702 turbo and had some custom tuning done. Now it’s as responsive as it was with the stock turbo. Runs cooler. Lots more power
@@farminindiana7590 what tune did you get and where did u get it? I have. 12.7 with a 171702 and it does feel sluggish
@@vroor32 serious series 60 performance. Love it Sent my ecm to them. Wish I would have done it a long time ago
@@farminindiana7590 how much was the tune from them?
what is “ throw alot of fuel at it” ?
more aggressive fuel mapping via larger injectors or file
borgworn s475 best 450 to 650
I have a 14l set at 60hp...I'm currently running the s400 but I am interested in getting the s410sx.. currently the s400 feels a bit laggy so I'm wondering if the s410sx would better support the tune
S410SX will have even more lag then the S400 on that setup. You need to go down in size, not up. A K31 would likely be a great choice for you.
@@momentumworx hello great video can u help please,i have a 2006 columbia series 60 14.0 liter with deleted egr and vgt what would be the best turbo for my setup also would it be best to do a muffler delete
@@benitomojarro3134if you got a deleted set up go with the 12.7 turbo . It’s a banger
@@benitomojarro3134tune it throw on a 702 inch.32 housing it is what I gave. Turbo spoils at like 1100-1300 and pulls from there. I’m interested to see how the K31 does. Or put a 68-80mm with a 1.15 housing
@@RocSteadyNY you know alot. Did you ever get the results on the k31
I have a stock 60 series 12.7 l Detroit. What can I run to get more horse power without running fuel mileage
Where can i find your in-house turbo?
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Detoit 60 12.7 500hp wich turbo best and stong please tell me ?
Looks like you're on the right video! I'd go with the K31 based on the info you provided
@@momentumworx thank you k31 parts number 172743 right? Also how can buy do you now site link
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Thank you i can see web site cross reference number but don’t have correct number i can use now Garrett 466713 -9005s also ican see 171702 have this number what you think still k31 okay? My engine 1997 detroit 60 12.7 hp 550
I have Garrett 466713-9005s this turbo max 22psi that is normal or bad because my truck lose power i can try to swap new turbo do yu now k31 how many psi boost
I have the sxe480 from u guys and going to compound that I to sxe500 .
Yikes
So I Can upgrade the 14L with the k31 turbo? Or is that only for 12.7 ?
Way to small for a 14 liter motor
I deleted the egr on my 14 litter, the guy wo did the delete told me the truck would not run as it should until I replaced the turbo with a 12.7 turbo.
I am looking at a kit right now for a little over 2k with a borg warner K31 which is the one ge is recommending for a stock motor.
@@henrygarcia7367 let me know how it pulls compared to stock turbo.
How much hp is the K31 good for?
500hp
550
Wastegated vs non-wastegated? Help
always use a wastegated even with 171702 a wastegated turbo will last twice as long if its setup properly
Would it be possible to put these on a 6.0 ls? Lol
Sure, lots of folks use S400 based turbos on LS applications.
So your prices were already 5-7% higher than average & now additional 15%went up right before the Black Friday 🤦🏻♂️
I got a 14L converted to 12.7 550hp fresh inframe going with the 171702.. We’ll see how she pulls on a grade 🥃
How is it
@@Jr21001 man, I love it! Has more power and I pulls thru grades no prob! She is a beast brotha!
@@Jr21001 & the turbo is about 1k, way cheaper than 14l turbo
@@victoralvarez2739 how do you like the 171702 turbo?
@@xavierdean4673 she’s a beast! But get the truck tuned and deleted..