Dad runs a 1999 Kenworth T2000 with a 470 Detroit 60 series. 1.4 million miles (rebuild 500,000 ago). It starts every time. It goes down the road as fast as he wants to go (minus west virginia mountains). Cleans up nice. No Elds. Can't go to California, but who really wants to go to California in 2021?
@@teamgreen6842 Great find. What do you plan on doing with it ? Our IH with 318 Detroit was eventually replaced by a 3406 Cat powered Freightliner.It was essier to live with but the 2 stroke Detroit's were bad ass. One day i would like to get a 8v92 or even a 12v71. Is your truck a 13 speed ?
Most people don't know John Deere and Detroit diesel helped each other design these very reliable engines, The John Deere engines were the 10.5L and 12.5L Ag engines along with the 11.1L 12.7L Detroit Diesel engines, most Truck Drivers still like the 12.7L if you're not in need of Crazy high HP like over 550hp.
Cummins power better than Detroit n14 red top and one of the first diesel engine to be on a car daytona 500 but my second engine of course 12.7 detroit and very reliable plus diesel. Saving
jacob roybal I gotta a 12.7 with over 1.7 million and only changed the rod bearing... didn't even need but I did because it was opened anyway! My first truck so I'm sticking with the 60 for ever !
I had a '97 FLD120 that I bought new with a 470hp Series60 for 14 years. Drove 1.8 million miles. Rebuilt it at 11 years 'cause an injector went out. The shop said it still looked in great shape, didn't need the rebuild. Still had the original untouched turbo on it when I sold it.
After 50 years of two 6-71 engines under a steel deck on boats my hearing has suffered badly. However after five years of retirement I am starting to hear sounds that I had not heard in decades. Hot in the summer and cold in the winter. I also had commercial license and also drove trucks. I am very familiar with the engines.
Richard, "Hot in the summer and cold in the winter." That comment went over my head. Is it in reference to regaining some hearing, or in regards to working on Detroits ? While working for Uncle Sam i was assigned as a boat mechanic ( though a Construction Mechanic /SEABEES ) for two LCVP's with 6-71 Detroits. In those days, cigarette butts were used as ear plugs ...
I'm now 25 years as a mechanic started during the end of the 2 stroke era at a Detroit shop in South Carolina I'm still happy I got to work on 2 strokes and learned my way now up to current technology, I wish the current batch or upcoming apprentices could do the same its a invaluable experience
Yeah considering how many of them are still kicking around. Lots of old Buses end up at Scott's Bus Grease Monkey place because people cannot find mechanics to work on the 2 strokes.
Same here man, I started in the late 90s. I was at the factory for training in August 99. The 2 stroke production was down to one consolidated line. I definitely had a piece of dust in my eye ,a while bunch. I do like that early 60 series though, it's a great all around workhorse. Haha I'm just a pup, I could sit all day and listen to the older fellas. I had the joy of working with one in an engine shop for about 4yrs. He started in the late 50s and knew it all,I'd hang on every word he spoke as if it was the gospel.
@@MrTheHillfolk.... The 2 cycle Detroits were Last produced in 1995.... Not the "late 90s". Having said that, DD was still producing Series 53 (V6), 71 (V8) & 92 (V8) for Gov't / Military contracts, up until just a few years ago for the 6V53 & the 8V92... the 8V71 was dropped in 2013. The very same Gov't. that said they didn't meet the Tier4 emissions specs.... were still using them..... Hypocrites!!
Think one sings? Try a pair in a boat had a set of 12/71's in a tow boat you sync them by small throttle tweaks and they harmonize. It's a beautiful thing.
The old Detroit Diesel engines always had a very distinctive sound about them. I can remember hearing that Detroit Scream for miles around. Didn't matter if you were going 1 mph or 100 mph they'd scream all day.
My family had a trucking company, and most had Detroit. As to your comment about the noise, I remember hearing the fire whistle blow, followed by the Detroit scream a few minutes later.
I am a 17 year Detroit Diesel Co. employee, great video! I really enjoyed this! One more fact you didn't mention in the video, Detroit is actually a full power train producing plant. We not only produce the DD engines, DT12 transmissions but also the Detroit Axles (formerly known as Axle Alliance) brand as well, all in the same plant. I work under the Axle and Transmission unit as a warranty analyst for the DT12 product. Again, GREAT video!!! It was awesome seeing the old footage and war time stuff especially.
I was there in August of 99 for training. We took the tour and I could feel the heyday of the 2 stroke in there. Was amazing seeing a 20v-149 having it's blocks aligned for assembly. All the 2 stroke stuff was consolidated to one line and I think everyone at one point had a piece of dust in their eye,I know I did. I'm just a pup compared to most guys who lived em for their whole career. At least I can guarantee I get to hear one once a year ,as my town still uses some big ol early 80s international truck that's got one still in service.
I laughed when I read this thinking “what in the fuck.” Then I remembered I found your channel a while back and wanted all your vids 20x over lol. You need to get that thing on DebossGarage
Russian manufactured spares for DD71 engines came onto the British Market in the 1960's. Although the replacement liners fitted perfectly well, they were made from one piece of steel with a double row of holes drilled around them instead of the genuine article's figure 8 holes in tempered steel. The Russian products had a nasty habit of breaking at the drilled air holes and dropping the lower half of the liner onto the crankshaft and causing more damage, sometimes to the block. The Russian spares were significantly cheaper than genuine GM spares, but as several boat operators found out they were a false economy. I worked with 6-71 and 4-71 marine engines in the 1970's. Easy to maintain and not many different sizes of nuts and bolts like other manufacturers products. My lasting memory of them all lives on with mild tinnitus these days!
Almost 3 decades around fire trucks, almost all exclusively powered by turbo charged 6-92s and 8-92s, love those 2 strokes, great smooth engines, awesome sound.
This Channel brings joy to my old Dad.He is an old time Diesel Mechanic and loves the work you all do on the Channel.He is a Detroit guy but would do Cummings,Caterpillar,Lister,Petter,Perkins,Grey Marine...just about everyrhing.
Stewart & Stevenson developed a vertical shaft engine. I think it was a 6 71 duel fuel. It was used to power vertical line shaft water pumps. It burned natural gas with 10% diesel pilot fuel.
Ya, it has some good info but also got a lot wrong. Main ones that jumped out at me were the engine family and types. According to this, my 453 is a " V" type. I also think that a lot was left on the table by not breaking up the 2 strokes from the 4s. If you have never messed with a two stroke Detroit, this video would really make you think your missing out on life. There is so much to be said about the mechanical-ness of a Detroit that makes them amazing. They way two Detroit's could be bolted together to make one engine and how one could run backwards just as easily as forwards. Should really do a 2 stroke only video imo.
The 71's biggest brothers are the 2-stroke locomotive engines made by GM's Electro-Motive Division, the EMD 567, 645 and 710 (also named for their displacement per cylinder). The 567 was also developed in the late 1930s by the same engineering team, and is twice the bore and twice the stroke of a 71. EMD engines have fabricated (welded) blocks, and individual cylinders (power assemblies) can be removed and replaced fairly easily. Unlike Detroits, turbocharged EMDs do not have roots blowers, instead the turbo has a clutch and receives an assist from the geartrain when idling or at lower speeds. The clutch disengages once there is enough exhaust pressure for the turbo to start freewheeling. EMDs are all 45 degree V engines, with power outputs ranging from the 600 HP roots-blown 6-567 all the way up to the 5500 HP turbocharged 20-710. The 567 is a legend in the railroad world, as it more than anything else is what killed the steam locomotive. Thousands of EMD locomotives are still running in North America alone. EMD is now owned by Caterpillar and the 710 engine is still in new production today, being used in locomotives, ships and stationary generators all over the world. Unfortunately it failed to meet the EPA's Tier IV emissions standards, so has not been used in new U.S. market locomotives built after December 2014.
Thank you for not having ridiculous rock music as your background. Also thank you for keeping the music a little bit more quiet so we can actually hear what you're saying.
My ship had 2 12 cylinder Cleveland diesel engines for main propulsion. 9 3/71 series engines for electrical power. Finally there was 2 Lcvp small boats with 6-71 Gray Marine diesels(DD) and 1 6-71 DD driven fire pump.
Love those motors the sound is music to my ears .I see the motor is coming back and rebuilding old trucks and the motors .the new motors with def fluid and not very good .good for you guys rebuilding these old trucks and the Detroit diesels
in the 80s I worked for a company (Metcut) that made cutting tools for DD, and they were super precise on every tolerance. If their competitors had a .001 tolerance, DD had a .0003, and they were picky too...couldn't ever talk them into taking a out of tolerance part, even if the dimension was not critical.
I remember my dads 12 litter Detroit only thing that we would fix was that camshaft 💎 seal that would always leak. But that engine help build a strong family thanks Detroit love the memories!!!!!
The series 60's still power more Michigan steel haulers and gravel trains (160,000lbs gross) than any other engine. The new garbage motors may be rated at higher HP levels, but the 60's aren't in the shop with emission related problems unable to run for 2 months out of the year, like the new crap.
Karl Porath+ I agree with you 100% but it's the EPA that's causing all these problems with these new engines the federal government has weponised the EPA agents the owner operator they have stuffed because of this they trying to put the older trucks out of service they are more reliable then this new shit they have now over priced garbage
Excellent video very informative. You forgot about one motor though the 6.2 diesel which is the smaller brother to the 8.2 diesel. Detroit built these for GM from 1982 to 1994 and then the 6.5 which is from 1992 to 2000 and which is still being produced by a.m. General for the military.
The 71 series was the most dependable for marine applications, 92 series was rather problematic, especially the 16-92. The 149 series was decent but very hard on fuel, of these the 12-149 was the most common followed by the 16-149 and fairly rare 8-149. I grew up around these engines but they are getting few and far between in the marine industry today as Cat, Cummins and MTU have taken over most of the market once again. However for certain applications the 2 stroke 71 and 53 series cannot be beat, situations where you need a cold start to full RPM for short periods.
Drove and worked on light armored vehicles for my 4 years in, the 6v53T can make a beautiful sound, and some pretty bangin hearing damage in my right ear
I'm glad you made this video because I knew next to nothing about the 60 series engine. I drove haul trucks with the 12v and 16v but I didn't even hear about these engines so thanks again
It still is used in some military applications, a mechanical engine not reliant on electronics or even electrics once started, is preferable to an electronic computer engine in some situations.
@@feeneysmechanical6215 I'm working with a museum group currently restoring an Australian M113A version (possibly M458?) known as a TLC, a tracked truck bed canvas top used for munitions and supplies to front line troops, ours came complete with bullet holes and brass down in the engine bay ex Vietnam.
That was the very first engine i drove, an 8V 71 (318) Detroit, they really sounded good when they were wound up, back then the big three all had their own distinct sound, you could tell who was running what just by how the engine sounded, now they pretty much all sound the same.
Awesome history lesson thanks. I have had the pleasure of both driving and spannering many of Detroits engines over the years. The series 60 Legacy engine was the pinnacle of their lineup based on alot of road miles and time trading blood inside them😂 That v series sound tho is one of a kind😍
My Uncle took a 671 out of a tank in 1960, He put that engine in his 45 foot fishing boat. In 1983I Lobster fished with him when i was a youngster, He had a old bleach bottle full of water to hold her wide open for a hour sail to the fishing grounds wide open all the time harder you drive that Detroit the more she loved it! The torque at the blades was unbelievable. Great memories of a great engine!
I had the privilege of being the Detroit guy in our shop in the 80s. I loved working on them!! ( you missed the beloved 8.2L. They were not my favorite.)
The BEST sounding DD engines were the 8V-71's used by Continental Trailways!!! Continental used it's 8v-71's mounted lengthwise. They had an exhaust header mounted on each side engine and they made the most amazing music!!! Later on they switched over to 6-V 92 Turbo engines in their Eagle coaches but that was the end of the music.
I drove an Attack Troop Carrier with two Grey Marine 671's in Vietnam. It was a converted WWII LCM where you had to handle 25 tons deftly using two D-handle four-foot joysticks. I would twist for power on each engine and shift forward or backward for differential thrust. You could pivot the beast very gracefully when needed. Like coming into a pier against a strong current. Many a night sleeping next to them while the night watch drove going up rivers and canals through the jungle. The 671 sound and smell is still hammered into my night memories.
Bus Grease Monkey = guru of post WW2 Detroit diesels, especially those fitted to Greyhound buses. His engines do not leak more than a few drops because they are correctly maintained.
1.3 million original miles on my 2008 Detriot 60 series 14Liter and nothing is done to it. Still going strong. DD15 isn't even making it past 800,000 miles without an overhaul.
I've got an old W900 dump truck with an updated Silver 8V-92 series engine rated at 475 horsepower. Love that engine. I do have a 3406 Cat in my other truck tho.
It depends because the older stuff and the new 6.7 is good but some of their new ones are junk. Old Detroit’s 71,91,53,149 and others are great even with ddec.
I bought a semi specifically because it had a DETROIT engine in it, a Silver 92 in a '84 GMC Brigadier. There is no mistaking the sound of a DETROIT diesel.
He certainly changed the company, in Australia DD engines were sold through Detroit Engine & Turbine Company owned and part of the Bowater Tutt Bryant Group an English owned group. The management style was very British with a lot of respect and security going both ways up the chain and down to the workers. Then Penske bought us out and brought in his American style management, strip, scatter and sell. Under performing sections of the group were sold off, even if they were part of the inhouse supply chain of parts, thus leaving the group open to external suppliers demands. Almost overnight the company went from having a 'we've got your back you are part of a family' company to a 'watch your back the family are watching you' company. It was no longer a secure respectful place to work.
@@raygale4198 l believe it the yanks are notorious for "don't get mad it's just business". Watching the Chinese do the same to them and listening to them cry about it makes me smile.
I love the old screamers 6-71 & 8-71 especially when their in a Chevy or GMC tractor trailer I call em those old sing a song if that is the theory then a 12 - 71 Detroit is a choir
you would like to hear a 12V 53 !!! very rare but awsome sound at 2800 rpm ! i saw one here in quebec city at the army, as a prototype for marine use and generator
I worked for Empire Trucks out of Syracuse NY in 69 -73, didn't see to many 8V71,s we had a couple of customer who had the 12V71, I got to bob Tail the tractor down interstate 81, It almost got away from me, scared me some, crazy fast
I worked at a International dealer when these Detroit 4 cycles came out. We used to call them the "Great Green Grenade" for their propensity to blow up with many times a good sized hole made in the block.
Got a 78 Suburban trailing special from a X GM mechanic from 1962. Toro Flo.Diesel No Glow Plugs ! With a Allison trans.My kids called it the "Beast". And when some one tail gate me they would say "Smoke " em out Dad 😂
Look up the difference between OEM and OE . If it came from a manufacturer with their part number or as part of a new component it is OE. If made after the fact by the original supplier and sold as a non factory part it is then OEM. Original Equipment Manufacturer. If made by a non connected company as replica or pattern then it Aftermarket. The 2 terms OE and OEM have different meanings. Ycats
Remember these were General Motors Engines the company was owned by General Motors. Dalmer Benz couldn’t begin to make a good engine like the 71 series or 60 series
Mercedes trucks had/have some great engines. For how complex and intricate the newer dd/Benz engines are they are incredibly reliable. If everyone was making engines to 1970's regulations all engines would be reliable but they cant anymore. Adding complexity without compromising reliability is impossible. Just look at the OM502 and OM501 engines they were really simple and reliable but they had to be replaced and to be honest working for Mercedes we rarely ever see an actros come into the shop with a engine fault, the only time I can recall was because the engine had been ran out of oil and the driver kept driving. It's always injectors, sensors and emissions related items that fail
@@aldworth33 The 16 liter V8 is a great engine just not allowed in the USA . Couldn't pass exhaust emissions. I drove a few Mercedes trucks in Iraq and they were good dependable engines, they got horrible fuel mileage about 3 to 3 1/2 MPG
@@bertgrau9246 yeah the new actros trucks without mirrors get more like 10 or 11 mpg with the same engine as the DD's. Obviously no mirrors increases the aerodynamic efficiency
Oh please Mercedes Benz makes good engines heck they were building cars before General Motors existed. I’m glad Mercedes Benz saved Detroit diesel company from vanishing. Now what does GM have, they source the duramax from IZuzu.
If I remember correctly, Lampson (heavy haul & lifting) uses Detroits in their crawler transporters (4@). It takes 3 semis & flatbed trailers just to move 1 transporter. Badass equipment!
If you were running a Detroit, do your precheck, open the door put your hand in there,slam the door on your hand your ready to go!!! That way you'd make her SCREAM ALL DAY!!!! I LOVED MY DETROIT TOMBSTONE PETERBILT!!! 😃🎶
Detroit and John Deere had an agreement to form a new company called DEDEC (Detroit Deere Engine Comany). S60 were tested in large JD tractors. The deal fell through. John Deere had nothing to do with the S60 development but they borrowed features for the 12.5L.
The turbo two stroke Detroit’s were much quieter than the NA models as turbos make everything quieter if using similar mufflers , my first truck I owned was a1980 Louisville with a 6V92T , much quieter and more powerful than the 8V71 I used to drive . Plus I got my hearing power slammed working on service rigs when they all had two stroke Detroit’s.
A 16-149 screaming away at 1800 rpm is one of the most unnerving sounds you’ll ever hear. It feels like a grenade looking for any reason to go off to start scattering parts around the inside of the engineroom.
4:52 There used to be a dude around here in Marlboro NY that had a 6v-53 twin turbo in a Ford pickup built for drags. I think it ran low 11s maybe 10s. He said don't ever do a powerbrake ,because it would just twist the pinion like a pretzel in that Ford 9" and to ask him how he knew 😳
Dad runs a 1999 Kenworth T2000 with a 470 Detroit 60 series. 1.4 million miles (rebuild 500,000 ago). It starts every time. It goes down the road as fast as he wants to go (minus west virginia mountains). Cleans up nice. No Elds.
Can't go to California, but who really wants to go to California in 2021?
I blame a 8V 71t in a 1973 International for my hearing problems, Those Detroits didnt leak oil. They marked their territory.
Wished I had it now.
I just picked up a 74 international has the 8v92 valve cover claims its a 8v92ta
@@teamgreen6842 Great find.
What do you plan on doing with it ? Our IH with 318 Detroit was eventually replaced by a 3406 Cat powered Freightliner.It was essier to live with but the 2 stroke Detroit's were bad ass. One day i would like to get a 8v92 or even a 12v71. Is your truck a 13 speed ?
Don't be concerned when you see oil. Be concerned when you don't
@@teamgreen6842 TA=Turbo/Aftercooler
Like the explanation of a Detroit leaving its mark. That they did.
The 12.7 pre-emissions engine is the finest money making chunk of steel & cast iron ever made.
Yuppp
Most people don't know John Deere and Detroit diesel helped each other design these very reliable engines, The John Deere engines were the 10.5L and 12.5L Ag engines along with the 11.1L 12.7L Detroit Diesel engines, most Truck Drivers still like the 12.7L if you're not in need of Crazy high HP like over 550hp.
Hi ū guy hi hi guy
Although you have to admit the 92,71,53 and 144 are the best sounding engines on the planet arguably
Cummins power better than Detroit n14 red top and one of the first diesel engine to be on a car daytona 500 but my second engine of course 12.7 detroit and very reliable plus diesel. Saving
As a diesel mechanic, I can say without a doubt the the series 60 is the best engine on the road
jacob roybal I gotta a 12.7 with over 1.7 million and only changed the rod bearing... didn't even need but I did because it was opened anyway! My first truck so I'm sticking with the 60 for ever !
I ran regional with a 11.1 for a few years. It never left me besides the road.
Until Fitzgerald got ahold of em.
I had a '97 FLD120 that I bought new with a 470hp Series60 for 14 years. Drove 1.8 million miles. Rebuilt it at 11 years 'cause an injector went out. The shop said it still looked in great shape, didn't need the rebuild. Still had the original untouched turbo on it when I sold it.
Detroit
After 50 years of two 6-71 engines under a steel deck on boats my hearing has suffered badly. However after five years of retirement I am starting to hear sounds that I had not heard in decades. Hot in the summer and cold in the winter. I also had commercial license and also drove trucks. I am very familiar with the engines.
Richard,
"Hot in the summer and cold in the winter."
That comment went over my head. Is it in reference to regaining some hearing, or in regards to working on Detroits ?
While working for Uncle Sam i was assigned as a boat mechanic ( though a Construction Mechanic /SEABEES ) for two LCVP's with 6-71 Detroits. In those days, cigarette butts were used as ear plugs ...
I'm now 25 years as a mechanic started during the end of the 2 stroke era at a Detroit shop in South Carolina I'm still happy I got to work on 2 strokes and learned my way now up to current technology, I wish the current batch or upcoming apprentices could do the same its a invaluable experience
You didn't say what the current technology is. You should instead of letting it go at that.
Yeah considering how many of them are still kicking around. Lots of old Buses end up at Scott's Bus Grease Monkey place because people cannot find mechanics to work on the 2 strokes.
Same here man, I started in the late 90s.
I was at the factory for training in August 99.
The 2 stroke production was down to one consolidated line.
I definitely had a piece of dust in my eye ,a while bunch.
I do like that early 60 series though, it's a great all around workhorse.
Haha I'm just a pup, I could sit all day and listen to the older fellas.
I had the joy of working with one in an engine shop for about 4yrs.
He started in the late 50s and knew it all,I'd hang on every word he spoke as if it was the gospel.
@@MrTheHillfolk.... The 2 cycle Detroits were Last produced in 1995.... Not the "late 90s". Having said that, DD was still producing Series 53 (V6), 71 (V8) & 92 (V8) for Gov't / Military contracts, up until just a few years ago for the 6V53 & the 8V92... the 8V71 was dropped in 2013.
The very same Gov't. that said they didn't meet the Tier4 emissions specs.... were still using them..... Hypocrites!!
A Detroit 8v-71 with Straight pipes Could Sing A Song........Loved Them
I absolutely lovek the sound of one.
Looking for a running one for a man cave.
Here's mine: th-cam.com/video/CsG2qMCmLYE/w-d-xo.html
Think one sings? Try a pair in a boat had a set of 12/71's in a tow boat you sync them by small throttle tweaks and they harmonize. It's a beautiful thing.
The old Detroit Diesel engines always had a very distinctive sound about them. I can remember hearing that Detroit Scream for miles around. Didn't matter if you were going 1 mph or 100 mph they'd scream all day.
It didn’t matter the configuration. From 53 to 149 series 2to 24 cyl they had their own distinctive sound. And you could hear them for miles.
@Kelly Penrod haha add a Jake brake to the noise and its the truckies mating call..... 8v92s rebuilt em more but the 4-71 industrial lasts longest
My family had a trucking company, and most had Detroit. As to your comment about the noise, I remember hearing the fire whistle blow, followed by the Detroit scream a few minutes later.
@@tracylemme1375 but I've never been able to find one in full scream on youtube. and I didn't think to record the one I used to drive.
You sure couldn’t sneak up on anyone with a damn DD screaming lol
I am a 17 year Detroit Diesel Co. employee, great video! I really enjoyed this! One more fact you didn't mention in the video, Detroit is actually a full power train producing plant. We not only produce the DD engines, DT12 transmissions but also the Detroit Axles (formerly known as Axle Alliance) brand as well, all in the same plant. I work under the Axle and Transmission unit as a warranty analyst for the DT12 product. Again, GREAT video!!! It was awesome seeing the old footage and war time stuff especially.
I was there in August of 99 for training.
We took the tour and I could feel the heyday of the 2 stroke in there.
Was amazing seeing a 20v-149 having it's blocks aligned for assembly.
All the 2 stroke stuff was consolidated to one line and I think everyone at one point had a piece of dust in their eye,I know I did.
I'm just a pup compared to most guys who lived em for their whole career.
At least I can guarantee I get to hear one once a year ,as my town still uses some big ol early 80s international truck that's got one still in service.
Nice, my daily driver is a 2009 Ford F350 with a Silver 4-53T. I listen to the music every day, love Detroits.:)
I laughed when I read this thinking “what in the fuck.” Then I remembered I found your channel a while back and wanted all your vids 20x over lol. You need to get that thing on DebossGarage
YOU GO BOY
I HAVE AN OLD 1958 CHEVY PANEL TRUCK WITH A 3-53 T IN BOARD WITH AN OLD 4 SPEED BOX 0H AND 4X4
71's and 92's still converting diesel fuel to noise very nicely.
Russian manufactured spares for DD71 engines came onto the British Market in the 1960's. Although the replacement liners fitted perfectly well, they were made from one piece of steel with a double row of holes drilled around them instead of the genuine article's figure 8 holes in tempered steel. The Russian products had a nasty habit of breaking at the drilled air holes and dropping the lower half of the liner onto the crankshaft and causing more damage, sometimes to the block. The Russian spares were significantly cheaper than genuine GM spares, but as several boat operators found out they were a false economy. I worked with 6-71 and 4-71 marine engines in the 1970's. Easy to maintain and not many different sizes of nuts and bolts like other manufacturers products. My lasting memory of them all lives on with mild tinnitus these days!
The history of Detroit diesel is here, FUCKING FINAAAAALY!!!
Almost 3 decades around fire trucks, almost all exclusively powered by turbo charged 6-92s and 8-92s, love those 2 strokes, great smooth engines, awesome sound.
I got a million380 out of my 12.7 60 series before rebuild! Great reliable trouble free engine!
Used to drive a GMC Astro with Detroit back in the 80's. Miss hearing them scream.
Drove the 60 for years never ever had an engine problem...
I love the 12v92TA in my truck. 30 years old and it runs like a dream.
What truck did you have a 12V-92TA in? I did see a Peterbilt with a 16V-92TTA and big Allison off road transmission.
@@Tchristman100 it's in a Fire Trucks Ltd Marlin ARFF truck. That I'm slowly restoring. There's a few videos of it on my channel
This Channel brings joy to my old Dad.He is an old time Diesel Mechanic and loves the work you all do on the Channel.He is a Detroit guy but would do Cummings,Caterpillar,Lister,Petter,Perkins,Grey Marine...just about everyrhing.
thats awesome. same with my dad also a old time diesel mechanic
Still got plenty of 6V53Ts running strong in the army to this day. You cant beat a Detroit!
Stewart & Stevenson developed a vertical shaft engine. I think it was a 6 71 duel fuel. It was used to power vertical line shaft water pumps. It burned natural gas with 10% diesel pilot fuel.
Stewart & Stevenson and Detroit diesel converted 6V92 Dual fuel (PING) Pilot Ignition Natural Gas Engine for transit Buses and Trucks.
Finally! A video on Detroit’s
Ya, it has some good info but also got a lot wrong. Main ones that jumped out at me were the engine family and types. According to this, my 453 is a " V" type. I also think that a lot was left on the table by not breaking up the 2 strokes from the 4s. If you have never messed with a two stroke Detroit, this video would really make you think your missing out on life. There is so much to be said about the mechanical-ness of a Detroit that makes them amazing. They way two Detroit's could be bolted together to make one engine and how one could run backwards just as easily as forwards. Should really do a 2 stroke only video imo.
The 71's biggest brothers are the 2-stroke locomotive engines made by GM's Electro-Motive Division, the EMD 567, 645 and 710 (also named for their displacement per cylinder). The 567 was also developed in the late 1930s by the same engineering team, and is twice the bore and twice the stroke of a 71. EMD engines have fabricated (welded) blocks, and individual cylinders (power assemblies) can be removed and replaced fairly easily. Unlike Detroits, turbocharged EMDs do not have roots blowers, instead the turbo has a clutch and receives an assist from the geartrain when idling or at lower speeds. The clutch disengages once there is enough exhaust pressure for the turbo to start freewheeling.
EMDs are all 45 degree V engines, with power outputs ranging from the 600 HP roots-blown 6-567 all the way up to the 5500 HP turbocharged 20-710. The 567 is a legend in the railroad world, as it more than anything else is what killed the steam locomotive. Thousands of EMD locomotives are still running in North America alone.
EMD is now owned by Caterpillar and the 710 engine is still in new production today, being used in locomotives, ships and stationary generators all over the world. Unfortunately it failed to meet the EPA's Tier IV emissions standards, so has not been used in new U.S. market locomotives built after December 2014.
EMD did use Roots blowers until 1959 567d2, and still offered them on the 645E.
Great Job on the Video I am a Retired Diesel Mechanic and I can say Thank you for helping to keep this History alive have a great Day 👍 🙏🦅🇺🇲🏁
I currently have 3 dd15 and 1 dd16 love them all No issues great serviceable workhorse engines. Detroit for life
Thank you for not having ridiculous rock music as your background. Also thank you for keeping the music a little bit more quiet so we can actually hear what you're saying.
My ship had 2 12 cylinder Cleveland diesel engines for main propulsion. 9 3/71 series engines for electrical power. Finally there was 2 Lcvp small boats with 6-71 Gray Marine diesels(DD) and 1 6-71 DD driven fire pump.
Father, way back then had a 500 HP 8V92 Silver in a 86 Freightliner Cabover. It was a beast with a oh so distinct sound...
Possibly the best diesel engines in the world have
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Good video.
Sooooo good. Big fan of the 4-53. And the 6-71. Used and admired both.
Love those motors the sound is music to my ears .I see the motor is coming back and rebuilding old trucks and the motors .the new motors with def fluid and not very good .good for you guys rebuilding these old trucks and the Detroit diesels
the 12.7 no emissions engine always got me home
When I was a kid in the late 50s I remember seeing those old Detroit screamers running 24/7 making power for the carnival at the state fair.
Had a 5-53 in my fisihing boat, the Bokay, and went on to be a truck tech for many years; worked mostly on DDs. A proud DD Guild member to boot
Excellent very informative video. I look forward to watching past & future videos. Thank you all.
Best sounding truck motors imo.
in the 80s I worked for a company (Metcut) that made cutting tools for DD, and they were super precise on every tolerance. If their competitors had a .001 tolerance, DD had a .0003, and they were picky too...couldn't ever talk them into taking a out of tolerance part, even if the dimension was not critical.
Best two stroke locomotive engine ever.
Great video! 12.7L Series 60 is an excellent engine!
I remember my dads 12 litter Detroit only thing that we would fix was that camshaft 💎 seal that would always leak. But that engine help build a strong family thanks Detroit love the memories!!!!!
The series 60's still power more Michigan steel haulers and gravel trains (160,000lbs gross) than any other engine. The new garbage motors may be rated at higher HP levels, but the 60's aren't in the shop with emission related problems unable to run for 2 months out of the year, like the new crap.
Karl Porath+ I agree with you 100% but it's the EPA that's causing all these problems with these new engines the federal government has weponised the EPA agents the owner operator they have stuffed because of this they trying to put the older trucks out of service they are more reliable then this new shit they have now over priced garbage
Excellent video very informative. You forgot about one motor though the 6.2 diesel which is the smaller brother to the 8.2 diesel. Detroit built these for GM from 1982 to 1994 and then the 6.5 which is from 1992 to 2000 and which is still being produced by a.m. General for the military.
Subtitles available for former Detroit Diesel truckers ,)
No joke especially straight piped engines
thanks need em
What?!👂
Show me a cst disel engin
Screaming Detroit! Been waiting on this video for awhile.
Sorry Travis - thanks for watching!
@@jackschromeshop8296 Ain't no biggie! Was worth the wait. Keep up the good videos
The 71 series was the most dependable for marine applications, 92 series was rather problematic, especially the 16-92. The 149 series was decent but very hard on fuel, of these the 12-149 was the most common followed by the 16-149 and fairly rare 8-149. I grew up around these engines but they are getting few and far between in the marine industry today as Cat, Cummins and MTU have taken over most of the market once again. However for certain applications the 2 stroke 71 and 53 series cannot be beat, situations where you need a cold start to full RPM for short periods.
The Two-Stroke Detroits all make a Wonderful Sound Track . And Damn they GO well for the size of them . Best Sound , 6V53 .
Drove and worked on light armored vehicles for my 4 years in, the 6v53T can make a beautiful sound, and some pretty bangin hearing damage in my right ear
@@cadillaccooke811 m113s with them jeez the heat and sound
Damn near Every Firetruck In the 70s 80s & 90 Had a Detroit in it of so sort ..
I lived in a small town. Any time the fire whistle blew, the unmuffled Detroit Diesel scream could be heard all over town.
I'm glad you made this video because I knew next to nothing about the 60 series engine. I drove haul trucks with the 12v and 16v but I didn't even hear about these engines so thanks again
Beautiful
I went to Detroit Diesel factory school for thier last 2 stroke the Silver 92 in mid 80's
Detroit also supplied the Marine corps with a 6v53T. It was put in the light armor vehicle series for the Marine corps
It still is used in some military applications, a mechanical engine not reliant on electronics or even electrics once started, is preferable to an electronic computer engine in some situations.
@@raygale4198 correct. I worked on them when I was in the Marines
@@feeneysmechanical6215 I'm working with a museum group currently restoring an Australian M113A version (possibly M458?) known as a TLC, a tracked truck bed canvas top used for munitions and supplies to front line troops, ours came complete with bullet holes and brass down in the engine bay ex Vietnam.
M113 all had 6V-53 in them-and they made over 80,000 of them!
Great video ! I love the good old Detroit Diesel engines !
That was the very first engine i drove, an 8V 71 (318) Detroit, they really sounded good when they were wound up, back then the big three all had their own distinct sound, you could tell who was running what just by how the engine sounded, now they pretty much all sound the same.
Awesome history lesson thanks. I have had the pleasure of both driving and spannering many of Detroits engines over the years. The series 60 Legacy engine was the pinnacle of their lineup based on alot of road miles and time trading blood inside them😂 That v series sound tho is one of a kind😍
I love my GMC 6.2 non turbo diésel 1ton, also my 6/71
So far i really enjoy the flow of this video
8V71T are widely used on M109 and M110 self propelled Howitzers and related tracted vehicles. I love it.
thousands of 6V53's in APC and M113 derivitives.
@@raygale4198 yes,u r right. I was trained in Ordnance school for these
My Uncle took a 671 out of a tank in 1960, He put that engine in his 45 foot fishing boat. In 1983I Lobster fished with him when i was a youngster, He had a old bleach bottle full of water to hold her wide open for a hour sail to the fishing grounds wide open all the time harder you drive that Detroit the more she loved it! The torque at the blades was unbelievable. Great memories of a great engine!
I had the privilege of being the Detroit guy in our shop in the 80s. I loved working on them!! ( you missed the beloved 8.2L. They were not my favorite.)
Waited a year for this bad boy. But well worth it!
The BEST sounding DD engines were the 8V-71's used by Continental Trailways!!! Continental used it's 8v-71's mounted lengthwise. They had an exhaust
header mounted on each side engine and they made the most amazing music!!! Later on they switched over to 6-V 92 Turbo engines in their Eagle coaches
but that was the end of the music.
I drove an Attack Troop Carrier with two Grey Marine 671's in Vietnam. It was a converted WWII LCM where you had to handle 25 tons deftly using two D-handle four-foot joysticks. I would twist for power on each engine and shift forward or backward for differential thrust. You could pivot the beast very gracefully when needed. Like coming into a pier against a strong current. Many a night sleeping next to them while the night watch drove going up rivers and canals through the jungle. The 671 sound and smell is still hammered into my night memories.
Excellent history series
Bus Grease Monkey = guru of post WW2 Detroit diesels, especially those fitted to Greyhound buses. His engines do not leak more than a few drops because they are correctly maintained.
scott crosby is a good wrench his son tyler is a joke and a hack.
1.3 million original miles on my 2008 Detriot 60 series 14Liter and nothing is done to it. Still going strong. DD15 isn't even making it past 800,000 miles without an overhaul.
…hugely informative and strikingly interesting, thank you kindly: most certainly impressive equipment 👊
The 53 series was also common in 2 cylinder. I use to have one, they were very common for railway maintenance equipment
Well done
and presented captivatingly…❗️
Gladly to follow more
Thanx stacks‼️
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I've got an old W900 dump truck with an updated Silver 8V-92 series engine rated at 475 horsepower. Love that engine. I do have a 3406 Cat in my other truck tho.
Best engines ever period.
Cummins
It depends because the older stuff and the new 6.7 is good but some of their new ones are junk. Old Detroit’s 71,91,53,149 and others are great even with ddec.
I agree
Love the two stroke and the series 60.
I bought a semi specifically because it had a DETROIT engine in it, a Silver 92 in a '84 GMC Brigadier. There is no mistaking the sound of a DETROIT diesel.
I will always believe that Roger Penske was just a front for the eventual takeover by Daimler, with Roger pocketing a nice profit!
He certainly changed the company, in Australia DD engines were sold through Detroit Engine & Turbine Company owned and part of the Bowater Tutt Bryant Group an English owned group. The management style was very British with a lot of respect and security going both ways up the chain and down to the workers. Then Penske bought us out and brought in his American style management, strip, scatter and sell. Under performing sections of the group were sold off, even if they were part of the inhouse supply chain of parts, thus leaving the group open to external suppliers demands. Almost overnight the company went from having a 'we've got your back you are part of a family' company to a 'watch your back the family are watching you' company. It was no longer a secure respectful place to work.
@@raygale4198 l believe it the yanks are notorious for "don't get mad it's just business". Watching the Chinese do the same to them and listening to them cry about it makes me smile.
I love the old screamers 6-71 & 8-71 especially when their in a Chevy or GMC tractor trailer I call em those old sing a song if that is the theory then a 12 - 71 Detroit is a choir
Screaming Jimmys..
you would like to hear a 12V 53 !!! very rare but awsome sound at 2800 rpm ! i saw one here in quebec city at the army, as a prototype for marine use and generator
awsome video. who doesnt love a silver 8 V 92 thanks
I'll take a.Detroit backed by an Allison ANY day!! Nothing beats a Detroit.
@xv70 1 nope.....your just paying for a name in my opinion.
OTR engines, great combo. LD pickups...I think 90's era GM trucks proved that quite wrong compared to the 7.3L and 5.9L equipped competitors.
I worked for Empire Trucks out of Syracuse NY in 69 -73, didn't see to many 8V71,s we had a couple of customer who had the 12V71, I got to bob Tail the tractor down interstate 81,
It almost got away from me, scared me some, crazy fast
I worked at a International dealer when these Detroit 4 cycles came out. We used to call them the "Great Green Grenade" for their propensity to blow up with many times a good sized hole made in the block.
Although there are V4 engines out there I don’t think there are any 3V53 engines anywhere.. the 53 series was made in 3,and 4 cyl inline no V
Got a 78 Suburban trailing special from a X GM mechanic from 1962. Toro Flo.Diesel No Glow Plugs ! With a Allison trans.My kids called it the "Beast". And when some one tail gate me they would say "Smoke " em out Dad 😂
Had a 60 series it just died last week threw a rod but it has almost 3 million miles on it
That engine has been one hell of a beast to last that mileage, shows you the quality of those engines.
Look up the difference between OEM and OE . If it came from a manufacturer with their part number or as part of a new component it is OE.
If made after the fact by the original supplier and sold as a non factory part it is then OEM. Original Equipment Manufacturer.
If made by a non connected company as replica or pattern then it Aftermarket.
The 2 terms OE and OEM have different meanings.
Ycats
Remember these were General Motors Engines the company was owned by General Motors. Dalmer Benz couldn’t begin to make a good engine like the 71 series or 60 series
Mercedes trucks had/have some great engines. For how complex and intricate the newer dd/Benz engines are they are incredibly reliable. If everyone was making engines to 1970's regulations all engines would be reliable but they cant anymore. Adding complexity without compromising reliability is impossible. Just look at the OM502 and OM501 engines they were really simple and reliable but they had to be replaced and to be honest working for Mercedes we rarely ever see an actros come into the shop with a engine fault, the only time I can recall was because the engine had been ran out of oil and the driver kept driving. It's always injectors, sensors and emissions related items that fail
Stupid, Mercedes Benz could hold their own with Detroit ANY DAY.
@@aldworth33
The 16 liter V8 is a great engine just not allowed in the USA . Couldn't pass exhaust emissions. I drove a few Mercedes trucks in Iraq and they were good dependable engines, they got horrible fuel mileage
about 3 to 3 1/2 MPG
@@bertgrau9246 yeah the new actros trucks without mirrors get more like 10 or 11 mpg with the same engine as the DD's. Obviously no mirrors increases the aerodynamic efficiency
Oh please Mercedes Benz makes good engines heck they were building cars before General Motors existed. I’m glad Mercedes Benz saved Detroit diesel company from vanishing. Now what does GM have, they source the duramax from IZuzu.
If I remember correctly, Lampson (heavy haul & lifting) uses Detroits in their crawler transporters (4@).
It takes 3 semis & flatbed trailers just to move 1 transporter. Badass equipment!
If you were running a Detroit, do your precheck, open the door put your hand in there,slam the door on your hand your ready to go!!!
That way you'd make her SCREAM ALL DAY!!!!
I LOVED MY DETROIT TOMBSTONE PETERBILT!!!
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Rumor has it Deere was in on the development of series 60. When you look at Deere's 12.5L motor they look very similar.
Detroit and John Deere had an agreement to form a new company called DEDEC (Detroit Deere Engine Comany). S60 were tested in large JD tractors. The deal fell through. John Deere had nothing to do with the S60 development but they borrowed features for the 12.5L.
Volvo was also involved if I recall... in the marine industry.
682 70; Volvo own’s #Penta. They are joined like Chevy/GM/Oldsmobile.
The turbo two stroke Detroit’s were much quieter than the NA models as turbos make everything quieter if using similar mufflers , my first truck I owned was a1980 Louisville with a 6V92T , much quieter and more powerful than the 8V71 I used to drive . Plus I got my hearing power slammed working on service rigs when they all had two stroke Detroit’s.
Im a 8-71 junkie👍
That is guite a change in line up of engine's that their running today since I retired.
I'm a Cummins man but this video is excellent 👌
I'm working on my license to go into logging trucks. Exciting stuff.
Great video! thanks! learned much!
Best 2 stroke diesels I ever worked on.
Recuerdo mucho los tres motores de la MV Tegucigalpa.Honduras Navy. 16VF DETROIT DIESEL.
A 16-149 screaming away at 1800 rpm is one of the most unnerving sounds you’ll ever hear. It feels like a grenade looking for any reason to go off to start scattering parts around the inside of the engineroom.
Same applies to 12V71s at 1800 RPM. Hearing protection required but you still get the vibrations.
Charlotte CATS 1998-2000 Novabus LFS had the series 40. They were my favorite buses. CATS still has some 2003 GILLIG phantoms with the series 50.
2-53, 3-53, 4-53 were inline engines.
And you haven't heard a Detroit scream until you've run a 4-53 HS engine. 3005 RPM no load max speed.
Great video thanks!!
Jack was is the name of the country sample you use in the minute 3:26 please I been looking for that sample like crazy
4:52
There used to be a dude around here in Marlboro NY that had a 6v-53 twin turbo in a Ford pickup built for drags.
I think it ran low 11s maybe 10s.
He said don't ever do a powerbrake ,because it would just twist the pinion like a pretzel in that Ford 9" and to ask him how he knew 😳