Coinless, Capless, & Cannonless Challenges
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ค. 2021
- I show the current standings for the coinless, capless, and cannonless challenges, including their combinations.
This is an updated version of my other video ( • Coinless, CC, & CCC Ch... ), where I did the same thing. However, since then, sm64expert ( / @sm64expert39 ) found that WMotR red coins can be done cannonless. So I decided to remake this video to include that information. Notable changes since the first video:
(1) Included the fact that WMotR red coins can be done cannonless.
(2) Made the Venn diagram be 3-way instead of 2-way.
(3) Included a couple more clips that I missed the first time.
(4) Changed the normal clip of "Blast to the Stone Pillar" to show going to the pillar, as was intended.
Abbreviations used:
(1) CCC = Coinless, Capless, & Cannonless
(2) CC = Capless & Cannonless
(3) PU = parallel universe
(4) VSC = vertical speed conservation
(5) HSWK = hyper speed wall kick
(6) BLJ = backwards long jump - เกม
"...but we can avoid this by simply falling onto the switch."
Years of training wasted.
My childhood is a lie
@@stocchinet same for swimming into the jetstream star, I swear I tried that for ages as a child and it didn't work
@@anima94 yeah it's hard casually
6:00
Pannen does TASes, which test the game's mechanical limits. Swimming into the stream is definitely beyond the limits of a human child, and may be super hard or even impossible RTA (real time attempt/done by a human). Button presses weren't displayed, so there could be an A press every other frame.
“We can avoid this by just cloning the star.”
Yeah, “just”.
I mean if you're not cloning the star to get it
Are you really beating the game?
It's actually not that hard, if you can believe it! That star is surprisingly easy to clone without any emulator tools.
@@houraisheperd9721 I didnt believe this until i tried it. it took a while to get to the cloning step, and then after swimming in circles for basically a year, i saw the star appear and got it
@@houraisheperd9721 Until you realize you got the submarine star and not the caps star, which means you need to do this all over again unless you're smart enough to grab the submarine star first so that you know which star is already collected and which one is not. :')
You can also 'just' get out-of-bounds and get it from behind.
1st workaround: long jumping
2nd workaround: using PU movement and VSC combined with premature cloning
*That escalated quickly* 👀
went from 5 to 170
"Shit went from 0 to 100 like real fucking quick"
Just like Mario did
@@davidthecommenter. That's a QPU misalignment. Try 4 and 172 next time
@@ddnava96 gotcha.
I appreciate how you say “there’s currently no known glitches” instead of saying “it’s impossible”. It makes it feel like I’m in a physics class lol
@Doctor Butler Exactly
Never say never
#BridgeBlastIsReal
Not yet though.
it's sm64
there's ALWAYS a glitch
@@stitchfinger7678 I get the reference. If you know, you're cool
Imagine your physics professor says "there's currently no known glitches..."
I'm never going to get tired of hearing about this game's random intricacies.
Saaaame!
I know right? It's almost as complicated as Wonderland Adventures!
@@fuzbotopedagogo4833 No no, nothing's as complicated as Wonderland Adventures.
Yeah same, SM64 glitching and speedrunning is its own branch of computer science at this point
"Normally you collect this star by using a cannon, but we can avoid this by simply use the GTGFF trick to gain infinite speed to go to another dimension and have the game give us the star out of fear."
It's crazy he can do all that but doesn't seem to realise you can just swim over and jump into the WDW tunnel if you enter the painting at the highest point.
Does GTGFF stand for "Got to go faster, faster?"
@@boerhae It stands for "Gotta Go Fucking Fast."
I love how he simply doesn't do the painting trick in WDW
@@coldestwinter9913 It's crazy that you can think about that Strat, but don't realise you will drown before reaching the other side.
i like how some workarounds are just clever platforming tricks and others are rewriting the fabric of reality by traveling through dimensions
and some are just "just jump"
"simply do a wall kick" and "build up speed for multiple hours and then go to parralel universes"
7:00 "we can avoid this by just cloning the star"
_Outstanding move_
full Scribblenauts "just write 'Starite' 5head" vibes
@@MisterNohbdy wait. Is that... could that be real...?
@@grackleking6413 It is, but only in the final level of Super Scribblenauts. Normally, it just spawns an uncollectable Starite.
@@E-102_Gamma
“Collectable Starite”
@@thatoneguy9582 Hmmmmm... I doubt "collectable" is a valid word, but you know I'm gonna try that the next time I boot up a Scribblenauts game.
THE WING MARIO OVER THE RAINBOW CURSE IS BROKEN
IT'S FINALLY 100%-ABLE IN AT LEAST ONE OF THESE WHAT THE HECK
WE HAVE ACHIEVED VICTORY
sm64expert is a god taser, one of the few old tier 1 tasers still semi active today
Really wasn't expecting that star to be the one reason to make this video, and what a beautiful TAS that was.
@@jongyon7192p Worth noting that the TAS he made for this vid is particularly beautiful
Two! B challenge is possible now!
1:02
"Mario is allowed to wear his default cap"
Oh, thank god.
What? You think the challenge would be too hard if we had to use minimal, as fast as possible star grabs to get to Shifting Sand Land and have Klepto steal the hat before we could go on? :^)
@@mathphysicsnerd As glitch-heavy as SM64 is, would there really be any required stars--at least, for TAS?
I actually don't remember: how does the hat-loss mechanic work? Do you just lose it for that one life? I presume based on what you say that you can leave the level hatless, but can you collect a star without regaining your hat?
@@ZipplyZane So, hat loss. That actually is a sustained state under at least two conditions (that I know of): Klepto holding the hat and the second monkey on TTM wearing it. They do keep the hat through star saves and deaths, which makes the hatless challenge run possible, though rare (here's the one instance of it I happen to know of: th-cam.com/video/EHmeDN_-kKA/w-d-xo.html)
As for the unlock conditions of SSL itself, I actually don't know. All the TASes I've seen that enter the basement with no ground floor stars (1 key/0 star runs) never touch SSL. I assume it (alongside HMC and LLL) opens with an 8 star count just like BitDW, but if it is 0 star like BBF that definitely could mean getting to it early would let you collect its' stars first. And you would have to collect at least one star before you could go hatless, since Klepto is holding a Power Star when you first enter SSL, and so is in a state where he can't steal the hat.
The person who probably knows if SSL is 0 star or 8 star is Tyler Kehne, he's done work on some of the minimal star TASes before
@@mathphysicsnerd That video gave me an idea. The rub could start with a save file, where you already have eight stars from wherever and a key (or possibly with the door unlocked, if possible). Then you start the run, going straight to SSS and go straight to losing your hat. From there you have to still get all the stars you would normally get in a hatted Speedrun. Any stars from the save file would have to acquired again to count.
@@mathphysicsnerd you can enter SSL without collecting any stars: just do the 0-star route until you're in the basement, and instead of doing a BLJ through the 30 Star door you can walk across the basement and jump into the level. You're correct though that you need to collect a star in SSL before Klepto steals your hat.
But you don't need a star to lose your hat in TTM! Just follow the 0-star route until you go upstairs, then jump into the TTM painting.
So it's definitely possible to reach a sustained state of hatlessness without collecting any stars - it only takes three BLJs and beating bowser twice
hadn't seen that cannonless WMotR before, nice! If only you spawned with a wing cap, that one would be capless as well
You only have 40 seconds with the wing cap you get on entering TOTWC. But you get 60 seconds if you collect a wing cap
@@iZePlayz oh nice didn't know that!
@@Kosmicd12 i found it out while adding the super mario galaxy "powerup start" and "powerup end" sound effects to the mario galaxy flying mario music for my super mario galaxy 64 pc port rtx mod on which i am currently developing on (trailers on my channel). Didn't knew that before too
@@iZePlayz Wow, I didn't know that.
Are there discrepancies in the lasting time of the Metal Cap and Vanish Caps you spawn with in Metal Cavern and Vanish Cap Under the Moat as well?
@@Robbie_Haruna no. The vanish and metal cap both last 20 seconds with the cap and 20 seconds on entering
I use an emulator because I am doing a coinless run of life.
savestate feature enabled?
I hope you have savestates and frame advance to make life easier
Oof, I need a backup file
Nintendo catches wind of this and sends trained assassins to your house
I mean you have enough coins for a pc and saving coins instead of buying an overpriced n64
I like how the work arounds go straight from doing a simple long jump to abusing complicated Parallel Universe movement
This is really showing me just how much of this game I did wrong.
You use the cannon to get to the town in wet dry world????
@@redtaileddolphin1875 Exactly! And I had never even wondered what the normal way of reaching Wall Kicks Will Work was.
I never used the metal cap to collect both stars on the jet stream
I didn't use BLJs to get every single star in the game. Clearly, I had lost my way in life.
@@kebien6020 That honestly seems like programming oversight. Like maybe they built the fast swim mechanic after the fact, and didn't test it. It seems like it would be fairly easy to prevent you from reaching it.
If it were harder to do, I might think the idea was "well, if they tried that hard, let 'em have it." But it's too easy if you swim properly for that.
“And before you ask, Mario is allowed to wear his normal cap”
Damn he just silenced ‘em all
Was not expecting to see 120 star cannonless is now possible
Most youtubers would be like "Is it possible to beat Super Mario 64 without touching any coins?" that's 11 minutes long, and then Pannen is over here doing like 6 of those videos in 14 minutes.
having watched other youtubers make videos of coinless mario runs, this one has my favorite presentation so far
My heart skipped a beat when I saw the capless and cannonless bubbles separated
Now for the day when theyre combined again at 100% 120 stars......
Wdym
@@leekmabulls3506 The previous CCC video had just one bubble in the venn diagram for capless and cannonless because they were all the same, now there's a star that can only be done cannonless
I like how the tricks went from "just long jump from the mountain" to literal black magic
Mmm. There's just something about those objects all stacked that gives such a nostalgic feeling.
5:20 Huh. I only ever used that way down to that star. All through my life I've never realized the cannon way.
Man these videos make me so happy thank you for putting them together
Hope you can use them
Same.
Same dude and hi nb
This guys stuf is awesome
nathaniel b
I love that when you speed up the pause buffering section at 0:50, because you're probably doubling the speed, that ends up cutting out the "paused" frames, making it look normal!
4x actually because a pause is at minimum 3 frames long you can learn more about this here th-cam.com/video/IhlBrVaK7DU/w-d-xo.html
The reason for that is because he is TAS pausing every other frame, and he must've simply used a 2x speed edit. The program correctly cut out the boring pause frames, leaving us with the normal video. The more you know!
Seeing that Wing Cap movement at 13:31 feels so good ^_^
Yeah, that was extra clean
I get it. When I see "actually" because I don't know if is possible on RTA Kappa... It's hella hard but do that
First star: We can avoid the cannon by long-jumping.
Second star: we can avoid the cannon and hat by using parallel universes, vertical speed conservation and premature cloning.
Quite the progression there 😀
I like how this video gives equal importance to both well-known tricks and obscure tricks. It makes the video feel very complete.
12:39 RTA runners have been practicing what we call "Christmas miracle" movement, wherein a triple jump off of the blue switch, and a wall kick can give enough momentum to land on the star after hitting the switch, which skips the switch's save dialog. There is a similar trick for the red switch, but much less flashy.
I love how one of the workarounds is just swimming normally towards the Star, like you would
It took me longer than I'm willing to admit to realize why CCM's red star coin couldn't be done in a CCC run.
"red star coin"
Wait a minute...
I missed this soundtrack. Welcome back.
the sheer amount of tech this game has astounds me
They packed so much into it - intentionally and unintentionally - for a game that was the first of its kind.
@@TheExarion to be fair, having a lot of unintentional tech is pretty typical when "first of its kind" is involved
An era when overflowing a value didn't simply crash the game engine, but instead wrote unintended data where it didn't belong.
This gen and prior will forever hold a place in my heart for the raw amount of shenanigans you can commit.
This was always one of my favorite videos, nice to see it updated. It’s interesting how so many objects in the game we consider essential to collect many stars really aren’t that essential most of the time.
@@TheDream64 I didn’t even know there was a cannon in that course
4:10
That ledge had perfect comedic timing
Damn, never thought there'd be another video for this challenge.
Same
A little odd that he gave it the same video title, but eh, it still works
@@riffsix I don't see any reason to change the name of this vid though lol. You wouldn't change the name of a science textbook because the Earth suddenly has 6 continents instead of 7 lol. The older vid should just have an [OUTDATED] tag, and that's it.
@@TheExarion or you could put [UPDATED] to the new video's title, at least for a couple of days
@@leg10n68 nah
"Okay, so in floating island in the sky, we can work around the cannon by long jumping from the mountain"
"Okay, so in the special coin star in bob, we can work around the cannon and cap by utilizing parallel universes and premature cloning"
I like how this video treats basically impossible tricks like PU movement and extremely simple movement like collecting shoot into the wild blue cannonless the exact same
Now to explore how the B button challenge, the Z button challenge, and the Longjump/Wallkick/Triplejump challenge combine.
The reason I'm mentioning Longjumps, Wallkicks, and Triplejumps specifically is because they are the focus of a sign in the room leading to Bob-omb Battlefield.
There's also buttonless, currently with 2 start IIRC.
I've already seen this... anyway, I'll watch it again.
how
how
it's an updated remake
Check the description, there has been more progress made.
in a nutshell: the WMotR red coin star is obtainable cannonless, and there's some route changes as well
7:33
Wow, I never even thought about using the cannon to get into the city. I played this game on release, as well as the DS version, and still replay it today... and the only way I knew was to get the highest water level when you enter the world.
same, i never understood why there was a cannon lmao
what did you think that pipe in the air is for?
WMotR cannonless was a real surprise! That level is so depressing when it comes to these challenges. I'm glad at least one can be done.
Is it weird to say that watching this makes me feel sort of... nostalgic?
It has that vibe where your friend just wants to show you a cool trick in a game you both love
4:26 you can also walk up the spikes then slide jump but it's hard to do with a joystick. On the switch version I spammed the up dpad and it worked
Oh my we have been blessed on this day with a 14 min video, praise be
4:23 woaah that's a neat jump
13:31 is also incredible
I love how the title and thumbnail stays almost the same as before
I love how you logically solve and explain all possibilities. This is very intriguing and entertaining to watch, you are amazing!
7:49 I think you can also avoid using the cannon if you enter the painting at the highest possible water level.
Thank you for continuing to make the highest quality TH-cam content! Your work is always outstanding!
Bless this channel
Bless the work you do
Channels like these really give me that spark in my heart, that maybe not every human is a miserable bastard
This is without a doubt, one of my favourite channels ever. Such a dedication to a craft that it's hardly matched by anyone else. I can hardly imagine the time that goes into every single video, Pannen, I salute your effort and I hope you carry on
I love how you describe this stuff like we know all the ins and out of it. Like of course you just need to avoid the coin collecting by using PU movement to collect the secrets. It's great and I'm not being sarcastic.
I'm surprised that WMotR cannonless strat wasn't figured out before. It seems simple enough that somebody would've tried it before, storing speed with jump kicks? That's been known for quite some time now.
Still, great implementation and an excellently efficient TAS. I'm glad we're making small advancements.
"Normally we have to use the metal cap to get through the jet stream to get this star, but we can avoid using the metal cap by simply not using it"
Woke up to this video this morning and was like fuck I should give an RTA CCC 70 star run a try and I channeled all my knowledge of this game from watching you, simpleflips and other speedrunners and in 5 hours 25 minutes I did it! got 68 stars with just my knowledge alone and then I had to refer to this video for the last 2 haha. Thanks for always making such awesome content.
Congrats!
Love these videos! Thanks for uploading, Pannen!
The select file menu music will forever have a place in my heart because of this human ❤️
I love how the first workaround is literally just a long jump, and the second is an intricate set of PU movements.
gotta love how one of the stars is just "we couldn't do it normally, so we just made a new one"
It feels soo good when you see a brand new video uploaded by Pannen.
Instant click!
Man, I love your videos dude. They're so great!
love your stuff man. I dont play super mario 64 in any way shape or form and havent done so for years but your videos are still so easy to understand and interesting to follow
I got so confused when I saw this pop up in my notifications, after so long - figured I knew how it was going to end, and it was maybe just a reupload for some TH-cam shenanigans. Got so excited when you showed off that new cannonless tech, that's amazing; this game is over 25 years old and it's *still* being cracked to this day~
That WMotR TAS has to be the most impressive TAS I've seen in ages.
I knew something was up with WMotR when I saw the last video, I immediately thought of speed build up.
Hey pannen, I just wanted to say that I really enjoy all your content and you’ve been my main inspiration for discovering glitches and pushing games to their limits. I hope life is well and I’m always looking forward to your future videos :)
That Pannen uploads makes me so happy!
"But we can avoid this by *splitting nearby atoms in-game to give mario a boost large enough to clip through the wall."*
I only ever played Super Mario 64 DS, and it doesn’t have MANY of these glitches and quirks. It’s got some of its own, but I don’t think it has cloning or hyperspeed built like that.
The “long jumping to the lonely mushroom” and “triple jumping into the Wet Dry World tunnel techniques” still work.
first star: just jump to the island instead of cannons ☺️
second star: just use parallel universe movement, vertical speed conservation, and premature cloning instead of cannons ☺️
I am happy to see this updated video ^^
"Normally, we're supposed to use the metal cap to go to the jet stream in JRB"
What's he gonna do now? Clone the star? Displace himself under the star?
"We can avoid this by simply swimming through the jet stream."
Ah.
That title screen theme never gets old, it is so soothing
i love the polarizing workarounds being shown one after the other
common knowledge
TAS-only trick
speedrun strat
TAS-only trick
speedrun strat
common knowledge
speedrun strat
You know it’s gonna be a good day when Pannen uploads
One of the first SM64 challenge runs I watched was a CCC run by Bikdiponabus. It's still one of my favorite SM64 LPs because the CCC challenge just makes for some of the wackiest gameplay. Love this video, crossing my fingers for a crossover ABC/CCC TAS
7:45 I'm imagining the "easy" guy with the hands pointing at footage of Mario jumping into the painting very high to flood the whole level, then swimming to the tunnel.
Point is: you can just enter the painting while being high above the ground and swim to the tunnel.
Even at the highest water level you cant grab the chain fence's ledge from the water
Always enjoy the videos Pannen!
Great vid as always Pannen
Imagine Picking up a box and flying Up to the Sky...
This Challenge is crazy, i Love how much thought you put into your Videos!
Eh you can probably just BLJ upward 😂
it's nice to see an update
It's interesting seeing your way of getting some of these stars. Like the 'Wall Kicks Will Work' star in CCM. I use the Spindrift at the very start of the level where you descend the mountain until you're just above that secret area and just jump down. You also use the ship in JRB to get the star where I frame walk up the pillar, and in WDW, you long jump across the slope to get to the pipe where I just ride the slope lol. There were some others too but these were the highlights to me
i dont think i ever even did shoot into the wild blue with the cannon on my (casual) playthrough i just dropped down there from some other platform
also i love how the solutions for avoiding getting some coins in bob omb battlefield go from "we can avoid this by using pu movement to collect the first 4 secrets and by using vsc combined with premature cloning to collect the 5th secret" to "just clip behind the gate with a bob omb" i love it
hooooho wing mario over the rainbow with justt the wing cap was amazing to watch
Any day with a new pannen upload is a good day
You know it's a good day when Pannen uploads.
Oh boy, here we go, that will be interesting!
Normally, we're supposed to search for UncommentatedPannen to find new videos. But we can avoid this by subscribing.
(Love your videos, I get so excited when I get the notification!)
It is a good day when I see a fresh pannen upload
I'm glad he made an updated video. He didn't have to but he did it anyways
HE RETURNS
I like the mix of really simple things like just jumping to an area, and then others of building impossible ammounts of speed to travele across universes so you can collect secrets in precise locations.
3:40 ah yes
The simpleflips special
Imagine if he messed up the bomb clip just for the meme
This channel makes mario an entire physics topic around conservation of momentum.
anynhing sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic. That's how I feel seeing the raw footage of PU movement and cloning
Love this game so much
i love how at 4:11 the "star collected" music is just one doot and then total fucking silence
He returns, as prophesized 🙏
NEW PANNENKOEK VIDEO POG
O my god i forget this channel exist (again) i love your videos
“As punishment for forcing me to break all three of my conditions in the fifth star of the run, I’m going to slay your clone dimensions across space-time and *make* the star appear.”
This video is honestly hilarious
"Normally, we're supposed to use the wing cap to collect the red coins in ToTWC."
Objection! Normally, you're *supposed* to use the cap effect you get from entering the course. I was under the impression that in casual gameplay, you actually couldn't get enough energy to go high enough when using the wing cap in the box.