Collecting a Star during the Demo Idea
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2016
- I explore the idea of collecting a star during the demo. If you wait for long enough during the start menu, then a demo will play. This demo essentially takes place within File 1, and so if the demo-Mario collects a star, then the game will register that star as having been collected in File 1. Using spawning displacement (on the Japanese version of the game), it's possible to desync Mario's movements, causing him to move during the demo in unintended ways. So if we could use spawning displacement to have demo-Mario collect a star that would otherwise require A presses, we could effectively save A presses off of that star.
The most viable candidate for this method is JRB, specifically for the pillar star. Tyler Kehne, Plush, and I had hacked Mario into the cannon during many different frames of the JRB demo to see what would happen. We didn't test every single frame, but rather every frame that would lead to a cannon shot soon after the cannon was ready. Unfortunately, none of these tests resulted in Mario collecting the star. However, one test did get much closer than any other test we did, and so that's the one I show at the end of the video.
Note: None of the information in this video is new. We've known for quite some time that collecting a star during the demo would count for File 1. Tyler Kehne, Plush, and I had investigated and tested this idea (focusing on the JRB pillar star) more than a year ago, and at that time we came to the disappointing conclusion reached in this video. I just hadn't gotten around to formally documenting it until now.
For more information on spawning displacement, watch this video: • Spawning Displacement
Additional Notes
(1) The demo takes place in File 1, not the last file that was played (which some might hypothesize). So if you were playing File 2, exited out, and then the demo started, it would still take place within File 1. - เกม
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My heart broke when Mario jumped off the platform
Mario hates us.
that troll "ha ha" as he lands in the water matches up so well like he did it on purpose
In the arm's of the Angels.....
why... you were so close... :(
And he laughs at it, too.
Parallel universes, cloning, breaking the speed of light, all accomplished in the name of... Trying to avoid jumping in a platform game.
A pressing is D pressing for this pancake!
PK_Water lol good one
Never have I ever wanted to upvote a comment, only to see it have a funny upvote number.
@@AkaiAzul Now it’s 999. I rounded up to 1K.
Demo Mario you're not helping the team
No jamboree for him.
+Lugmillord I never thought I'd find you here, Lugmillord! I love your hacks!
The Wild Jamie
Thanks. ...and people say this to me all the time xD I write many comments and people always seem to be surprised to find me anywhere.
Cute icon! Which anime character is that if I may ask?
+Lugmillord When I was younger, I was obsessed with SM74. I wanted it on my D.S.I. XD
That ending, hurts so bad :'(
i cri evritiem
Hello, darkness, my old friend...
you tried so hard
and got so far
in the end
it doesn't even matter
When you try your best, but you don't succeed.
I knew it wasn't going to work from the title, it says idea only.
"That's it, Mario, get to the star!"
"Get to the star."
"The STAR."
"THE STAR."
(Mario teleports away)
"...So that's how you want to play it."
I was referring to the Spongebob Episode "Gary Takes a Bath" where Gary actually teleports out of the tub. It was late at night when I was typing it, and got a part of the quote messed up.
I always loved that part when I was little.
Now Mario, we can do this the hard way or the easy way.
Or the medium way.
Or the semi-medium-easy-hard way.
Or the sort of hard with a touch of awkward difficult challenging way.
Or the demisemihemidemisemi hard way...
Or the sortofhardwithatouchofawkwardeasydifficultchallenging way.
That hurt to watch at the end.
Mario saying "HA-HA!" is just rubbing salt in the wound. :/
Don't you mean rubbing *salt water* in the wound?
*Peter Griffin Laugh*
he jumped three times then went to drown himself.
it's fucking taunting us
Hi guys
7:07
He's gonna get it!
7:12
Mario, you stupid
YTSunny I
Wow this comment is ok
"Ha hah!"
YTSunny funny to see ya here…
4 2 0 t h L i k e
This is my favorite science channel.
DullVivid the Vsauce of sm64
7:05 omg omg omg.
He's on the platform. He's on the platform...
He's hopping towards the star!
......
*NOOOOOOO!*
"Haha :D"
FUCK YOU MARIO!!!! >:V
dandeentremont luigi: WHAT THE F*CK WAS THAT?!
7:10 is when the controller gets thrown at the TV
TetraBitGaming you watch Pannen?
Honestly, I'm surprised that you watch pannen.
TetraBitGaming sup
I was even triggered
TetraBitGaming tetra what's up
what? demo mario cant hold forward for 25 hours? weak
25 hours? More like 416 years.
Demo Mario also can't bake a cake for 25 years
+MrGOOMBAGUY I see what you did there
strider7x reference? clever
THEREDCAP where is your brother thegreencap
3:03, my brain when I don't remember the second part of the song
So... is there some type of charity where we can donate money to save A-presses?
That would be cool. I'd donate to it
No, we can donate A presses so HE doesn't have to press A
kill the frames, save the A-presses
everyday, poor a presses die by starvation and taxes. donate to us now to save the poor a presses.
#savetheapresses
Pedroyellow HOW ABOUT NO
The ending is like when you're playing a game and your 3 years old brother keeps clicking random buttons on the controller
7:00 Demo-Mario looks like a speedrunner up until he just ditches the star. Lol!
if you pull this off it will be hands-down the coolest star collection strat in the game imo
"What makes a good Demo-Mario? If I was a bad Demo-Mario, I wouldn't be here discussing it with you now would I?"
*AGRESIVE GREEN PIPES SOUNDS*
Well demo-mario can’t sticky jump
@@lols2713 but he can airshot
Another thing: if you end the demo early, the input file will continue until 1 frame after the PRESS START screen reloads. You can actually use this to get the hand to appear on that screen without pressing A.
maybe, just maybe the hand can solve the 0 A-Button challenge!
if the hand comes out of the game and into the real world then presses A, does it count?
Unfortunately, I think that would count.
I would not count as an A press. A presses are measured solely based on the input file being played, i.e. the .m64 file
5:16 "...he only holds forwards for most of the demo."
Me: "Well, shit"
7:09
Me: "Oh shit he got on the platform! Now he's gonna hold forwards and jump at the-"
*Mario fuckin walks to the LEFT and falls off*
I know right, I knew it would fail, but I expected him to run under the star, NOT FUCKING TURN LEFT
And this is when pbg needs to strike the 'can't turn left' curse
Jumping is Jumping, you can't say its only a demo
@The Real Snowy Spawning displacement is done by dying on a moving platform of some type, so the game gets confused as to where you were when you died, making it so that, for example, in the demo mario starts displaced by a little bit. An actual use for this is TTC stage exit displacement on JP only. It saves 1 or 2 A presses, I don't remember which. UncommentatedPannen has a video on it. The reason he's hacking in the displacement in the video is to show that it isn't really feasibly possible at all to have demo mario actually collect a star and save an A press. ie, it was only for argument's sake, and there probably isn't a way to displace mario that far away from where he actually starts in the stage.
This stuff is pretty complicated lol. If you're really interested in all of it, watch the more informative videos from uncommentatedpannen, like the one on HOLPs or the one on cloning.
@@brianb2308 r/wooosh
SteveGaming RBLX It’s 4os, if you’re gonna comment that at least do it correctly
It's A presses not jumps, if it were jumps then alot more thing would have been possible (like using the cannon).
@@stEv3900 stop the reddit bullshit, the comment has some validation for being relevant to the channel
7:07 that is the most impressive thing a CPU could do!
[Glados] You are a horrible person mario....
7:10 one of the saddest moments in the history of video gaming
ikr
Top 10 Anime Heartbreaks
-WatchMojo.com
“Haha!”
It's time to drop everything
Pannenkeok made a video
I'm sick and I just HAD to watch when I saw this
"EVERYONE STOP WHAT YOUR DOING! I REPEAT, EVERYONE STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING! Pannenkeok has just made a new video!"
sorry, but this is what I just thought of randomly in my head when seeing your comment, and it made me laugh so I had to comment it XD
a wonderful man with great knowledge of memes gtfo troll
John Nathaniel anything else to say other than send me somewhere?
a wonderful man with great knowledge of memes I was saying get out since you are a troll looking for attention acting all surperior. I suggest you stop your uneeded insults that are so out of place. But why am I feeding the troll anyway? bye
Good news! The pillar star is now 0x. We don't need to collect it in the demo.
Celebrations!
20 years and people are still finding more shit to do. Amazing.
I love this theory! Sucks that it can't achieve more than just Mario jumping off ledges.
Having your hopes shattered after seeing a new pannenkoek video is the worst feeling ever.
Just imagine how he felt, having been the one putting time and effort into making it happen. :(
d e a d
i n s i d e
Myths say that pannenkoek has nightmare every night where he travels to a parallel universe of Tick Tock Clock, where TF """""""""""""""""Henry""""""""""""""""""""" Yoshi is sitting atop the thwomp saying "How many a presses will it take you to get up here huh? SIX! HAHAHA! THAT'S THE BEST YOU CAN DO?"
Just by donating 1/20 of an a press a day, you can help this dying soul.
-but an a press is an a press, you can't only say it's a twentieth-
+Sato He basically says, eh, and goes along to find another possibility.
Jarod Alien
Maybe, maybe not, depends :D
It's great to see another video from you. Even if it doesn't result in saving A presses, it's still fun to see all these random experiments being tried out.
Just one question, could you use demo mario to colect a star and then start the run, sparing you the intro?
Yes
why do you hate A-presses so much?
why do golfers hate golf strokes so much
I used to play golf as a kid. This explains why I like the A button challenge so much.
pannen's gunning for the 55 score
+pannenkeok2012 Because a stroke could kill a golfer if he doesn't get immediate help.
+raydarable you have a point
i like how mario laughs after jumping off the platform with the star
7:09 i can just see pannen with an evil smile right now, and the suddenly it just turns in to anger...
IMO, you shouldn't totally rule out the demo stars for courses which are always 0x, just because there might be a chance some of them might be faster
While that's true, the scope of this video was just to cover the A press saving possibilities
the objective is not to make the speedrun faster. it's not to press A
+oussama mrissa It's
1: Least a presses possible
2: do not hold a through unnecessary stars (unless conflict with 1)
3: Fast as possible (unless conflict 1/2)
the final TAS is a speedrun within the context of certain limitations (this one being as little a presses as possible, obviously). given how long many of these stars can take, simply requiring a setup that results in a short demo getting a star for you has potential to be faster
1. A runner must not press the A button, except in situations where it is required to progress throughout the game.
2. A runner must not hold A through stars where holding A is not required except when doing so would conflict with the First Law.
3. A runner must run the game in the shortest time possible as long as such speed does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
That ending is such a tease :(
Now that's a truely crazy idea. Too bad you don't have control over the demo. If you could somehow rotate the camera... :/
i can't imagine how excited you must've been to see mario actually get to the platform at the end, only for him to jump off
1. physically switch the controller buttons A and B
2. do your challenge runs or whatever you call them by jumping with B
3. get money and bitches
Physically switching the buttons would have no effect on demo Mario since the demo isn't controlling itself with the physical controller... You could do this in software but it would require a romhack.
Woogoo336 This comment wasn't related to demo mario, just the run in general :p
But an A press is an A press, you can't just make it B.
Did you not read the description? The B button is split into three parts...
QuestionablyLoudVulture Well, Questionably "Loud" Vulture...
Dude, you are the most legit impressive person.
I think it's safe to say that the N64 is the greatest console ever made
lol
lol
10x better than the ps2.
lol
Super9000man
lol
Omg
Seeing displacement in the demo for the first time looks like a desynced TAS xD
My reaction to the end:
**re-reads title**
"Well it did say 'Idea'"
7:14 mario is proud that he broke everyones heart
Been expecting this video for the past year or so, cool you finally made it :P
Well on my spawning displacement video, everyone kept asking what would happen if we collected a star during the demo. So I wanted to put an end to all the wondering
I'm really, *really* disappointed that this didn't work out. This could have been a hilarious solution.
I’d love for you to revisit this concept. Setting aside the ABC, are there any stars at all that can be collected in the demo?
Honestly, I would love to see you either speedrun, or casually go through a 120 star route with minimal A presses. Just to show us the route, and to possibly explain why/how some tricks are done to get through the game with minimal A presses.It'd be like an information field trip through how you play Mario 64.
aaaaand the pillar star is now 0x a presses
Hey man, just wanted to say your videos are great. It's a sort of sanctuary when I'm going through rough times. Keep up the good work :)
7:11 You had ONE job
and that job wasnt getting the star
"You gotta collect all stars to beat Bowser, Mario."
7:09 GET THE DAMN STAR!
I hope we'll see in the future not only this star being taken but other nice uses/glitches
I'm loving this idea! Good luck!
4:48 Fireman Mario xD
0:17 it bothers me much more than it should that theres no exhale
one of your coolest ideas. hope to see it actually work some day
Thank you for presenting the information clearly and completely. Excellent work, almost reads like a research paper.
This makes me feel qpu aligned.
7:04 Mad skills... if completely unintentional. :)
Damn, these videos are always so interesting, despite not having any use in the real world. Always fun to watch though!
You are a genius. These videos are very important to people that want to learn slick tricks in game design and loopholes to save processing power. Keep posting.
elementallobster x if you mean basing code off a 20+ year old game, that's honestly not a good idea. If you mean that it lets them know how certain things work, then fair enough.
Not basing code. Basing tricks in game mechanics. Read between the lines, Paradox.
do you think theres a way to have the game consider mario to be on a rotation platform while his position is actually PUs away, and if that were possible, would it allow for arbitrarily large spawning displacements? Just typing this in case it sparks an idea
Watch this video: th-cam.com/video/mILLuFunY98/w-d-xo.html
However, it's virtual console only, since Mario cannot update the HOLP to a PU without the camera being in that PU
dammit dammit
Think it's even slightly feasible that there could be a way to store demo inputs and reactivate them outside of the demo? What form do those inputs take, how are they part of the memory?
Ask Tyler Kehne or Peter Fedak
Is there currently a difference between VC/console or English/Japanese runs?
Maybe doing a low A run at some point would give this topic more attention and potentially attract new fans who will help making it even more A-less? This is currently a very niche subject even though it's always very entertaining. It feels like this is the only channel on TH-cam about the ABC run.
Since the upload of this video, an alternative to collect the pillar star 0x has been found.
And now the chest star as well.
This is why I love this channel.
What happens if you have all 120 stars for file 1 and get a star as demo-mario?
Well, nothing. Since the demo is based around File 1, the demo would think the star would already be collected.
I wonder if there's a way to confuse the game and make it play a mario demo while in a different demo level than the default demo inputs.
2:57 made me really happy to read. pannenkeok always moving forward.
it was still pretty impressive what demo mario did with the cannon
How many unique A presses are left, pannen?
docs.google.com/document/d/1ypRVVRyf4x-v8GqCSmKYnicrfKSIjao3Y1ZVl52RIyM/edit
Thanks! Keep up the good work!
What is the minimum/maximum amount of distance Mario can displace using spawning displacement and what object makes Mario displace the most and what object makes Mario displace the least
SuperSanicTheHedgehog While I am unsure what object in game possesses the least ability for spawn displacement, I do believe the top of the pyramid in SSL that activates a spinning animation when the pillars are used gives Mario the largest amount of spawning displacement
I was watching this video on fullscreen and a blue screen appears, at first I guessed that was a nice video effect.
Also, great vid!
I love this channel. So many undiscovered codes and hacks!
Very interesting idea, but too bad it's not usable.
= 99% of the ideas I test
pannenkeok2012 Unfortunately, but it's always interesting to see even the failed attempts.
Krysion I actually find the SM64 manipulation interesting (if I only understand half of it at times lol) and it's good the attention the meme brought but also got really old really quick when the majority of the things said is "lol this is a meme" "an a press is an a press lol"
Yeah, most of the people who meme pannen do it really poorly. I have seen/done some more clever, subtle memeing though.
Krysion Yeah, I came off a bit harsh and assumed too much. Sorry.
All memes aside, Mr. Pannenkeok/koek,how do you feel about PUs being found in Paper Mario?
*dank memes
+MarioKart7z Yeah sorry I meant that
Those alleged PUs are actually a myth, the glitch Stryder mistook for a PU was completely unrelated. The coordinates while in a "PU" are still just as close to zero as normally.
Would have been an amazing trick, but alas, sometimes these things don't work. But I guess that helps makes the functional tricks shine even better!
Further proof for the idea that passion for something is contagious. By the end I was incredibly interested in the method and whether or not Mario could get a star.
lol this idea has been in the "dead end" category for over a year now
Maybe xD
Even so, ALL of your videos are interesting that way. They're fun to watch. "Will they be able to do it? Won't they? Are there new tricks they need to try?? Oooh, they've come up with a new method to skip that one part..." It's definitely engrossing.
3:07 that music synced kind of
Is there no way to use the same platform hack to make mario land directly on the star?
the game literally displaces Mario for a single frame, so it would take one hell of a displacement to move him that far; I don't think it'd be feasible
This was the coolest idea, dissappointed it didn't work obviously, but still very impressed with the creativity
I so fondly remember firing up my N64 on day one of it's release back in the 90's. The first level left the biggest impression on me of any game ever. It might not seem that special today but back then it was revolutionary. The analog stick, the brilliant soundtrack and effects with near perfect gameplay... I need to revisit this sometime.
Even though the demo can't be used to save A presses, are there any stars that could be actually obtained in the demo, using no hacks and an in-game setup for the spawn displacement?
i have a test tomorrow but f that i need to watch this
Same, except 2 years later
This windmill vanished off the face of the earth.
Here’s a similar puzzle.
been hyped to see more investigation into this
It wouldn't help with the ABC, but I find it conceivable that - assuming you can start with spawning displacement beneath the floor - Demo Mario gets "Wall Kicks Will Work" in Cool Cool Mountain. Is it possible?
Possibly. Would require a lot of testing to check
ok.
Pannen, forget about 0 A presses for a second. Could we potentially get a 121st Star?
Given the stars get saved on file 1... no. File 1 won't be able to collect them a 2nd time I'm assuming. They'll just be the transparent stars as if you're redoing a level.
Well, at least now that the only star for which this was reasonably feasible is 0x, we don’t have to worry about anything that we could be missing by using this idea.
Man, I really wish that the devs included some button pressed in the slide demo. Using the demo would be an absolutely crazy way to save an A press
HE LIVES
Could we use this to get to different Stars in the game that are unachievable with 0x A presses?
Watch the video and find out
“D’oh.” -Mario 2017
Much like Pannenkoek himself probably does, I get flashbacks every time I hear about, "Watch for Rolling Rocks."
did the HOLP affect the demo? can you teleport the Buddie bob omb in front of you and let demo Mario press A to talk to him?
Wrong Site you can if you clone one using a fake regular Bob-omb or cork box.
you still cant because bob-omb buddies are loaded from the start of the level, and you can't clone in JRB regardless
1:06 when your tas desyncs smh
I really should've skipped to the end on this one. Biggest tease ever.
now we know what you've spent the last month on. godspeed you hero
0:21 That's odd. How come the US version has an extra thing at the start?
Probably to attract more attention to American audiences.
Also might be to do with the Japanese version being finished first, but I'm not entirely sure.
it shows the boss fight because americans enjoy violence
Kyazar Shadala Can confirm
What am i doing with my life
Daaaamn. :( This is such an innovative idea, I would really love to see a way for it to be used in the "run"! Oh well.. maybe someday.
"This demo lacks of quick, consecutive A presses" wait but you did it in 0.5 A presses!
Well, the demo doesn't exactly hold A for 14 hours either, does it?