I've been a subscriber for about 6 months and enjoy all your content. Unbiased commentaries and diplomatic points of view. I'm a 100% N/A fan and have no plans for any power adder. If I wanted to supercharge my 2023 5.7 auto, I would have just bought a Hellcat and call it a day. But like yourself, I find it more satisfying building upon a proven platform, in our case the 5.7, to make power equal to or better than a mild upgraded Scat Pack. You proven, among others, that it is very doable. Some constructive criticism...There is a point to be made that even though racing the quarter mile against an adversary with lets say 20-30 more HP, it's still a driver's race. Forget about peak numbers on the dyno graph and study the curves. This will give an indication on when to shift and how to launch. By far @B. Mason, in my opinion, has the best, sobering advice on building a 5.7 to effectively compete. You proven that too. My Pitch Black 5.7 R/T auto is less than 4 months old with 1766 miles on it...Yeah I know....only 1766 miles....? I will be taking pretty much the same advice you have presented to get 'Noir' (French for Black) to mid 12's. However, I will attack my goal in a different order. From the back forward. Stock, the R/T Auto came with a 3.07 open differential. My new 3.90 LSD differential arrived last month and the big heavy box is sitting in my kitchen, which I stumble over it almost every night, is my first upgrade. I decided to go with the MBRP race 3" catback. Box arrived last week and I stumble over that too. It's like an obstacle course in my apartment. Both are to be installed myself with some help of my semi-blind friend. Hopefully by the end of this weekend. Upgraded tires will be next since the 245's can't really handle stock R/T when it comes to traction. BTW, I believe your manual R/T came from the factory with 3.90 gears. Keep up the good work as I know it does take a concerted effort to piece together these videos. They are not going unappreciated.
Really appreciate the comment, glad you’re enjoying the channel. 🙏🏻 You’re definitely right about what constitutes a close race. My man Bmason has an excellent channel. I’ve had a few videos posted where people were saying things like “you didn’t win that race, he beat you by a tenth of a second” even though I definitely won the race by a couple tenths, but his et was a little faster than mine. It’s the classic discussion of racing someone vs running a time. If I posted the video with no time slip there would be no one debating the outcome of the race. Launching high torque/high hp cars is hard, I think a lot of times people don’t take into account that the driver has a huge influence on the outcome of a race. Bottom line is you want your car to have enough power to be really fun on the street and to be competitive in the class you’re trying to race in, and the 5.7 N/A is very capable of both those things. Good luck with your install, those autos should’ve had LSDs from the factory, it should make a big difference.
I have a pitch black RT 2023 and did that diff swap, 8 speed auto with no traction! Like you, i am working my way from back on up, you will like that diff swap! Its a totaly different animal now!
@@TrackPackRT There's this dude I worked with way way back when I had an Eagle Talon, he polished the paint back then like all evening till late night. The car was white with black top, white 16 inch wheels, dark tint windows.... . Oh man I miss that feels of late night'n on a car. Thanks!
Informative channel and quality editing. In reference to the topic of the video I must say your challenger does sound very quiet. Sounds good, just quiet for the mods you listed. Who did you get to do your tuning? All I hear here locally is "stay away from "
Thanks! I have a 3” magnaflow catback, part no 16886. It’s classified as “aggressive” for exterior noise levels which is their loudest offering. It’s definitely louder than stock, especially at WOT. To be honest I was a little apprehensive about it because I didn’t want my car to be insanely loud both for my neighbours and myself cruising at highway speeds. But it’s actually not bad, with rpm’s low I can keep the volume reasonable and with the 3” piping I got rid of some restriction I was seeing in my dyno that was holding me back. I go through Chris at player 3 performance tuning. He’s a great dude and really knows what he’s doing. Cool that you’re local, maybe see you around the track. 👊🏻
Are your headers the stainless works 1 7/8 or 2 inch collector? I don't remember what cat back exhaust you went with. Your car sounds really nice at idle.
1 7/8". I went with a magnaflow 3" catback. I really like how smooth it sounds, no rasp, but great performance sound. I went with part no 16886 and kept my factory tips.
Hey man sounds great but I can tell you that sounds of cam can be changed drastically depending on the tune. More or less lope can be tuned in. I have the same cam on my rumble bee sounds way different.
True to a point. I mean if you retard the timing like crazy it will get much lopier, but also isn’t good for performance. If you tune it, especially on a dyno, for optimal power and performance the idles should be fairly similar.
@@TrackPackRT True. Not to mention the tone change based on exhaust set up. Just seen Frostbite did a ghost cam tune on his new challenger with the 5.7. Sounds better than expected.
@@yellowjacketram4143 there’s a lot of them out there I’m super curious to hear! I had a buddy show me one called “the lumberjack” because of the choppiness. 😂😂
@@yellowjacketram4143 still trying to decide. That’s why I’ve left my intake stock for now. Not sure if I want to throw a super charger on, or just keep a really solid NA build and finish with a 392 intake.
The 274 is too big of a cam for the 5.7. You'll see some people run them and talk about how awesome they are, but in all actuality you'll lose all the fun torquey power down low and really make your car a slug to drive in the city. I remembered seeing Comp Cams themselves on a cam comparison video reply to a comment saying the 274 was too big of a cam for the 5.7 and they didn't recommend it. The 270 lots of guys have including my man Modern Red Hemi. Back before Comp Cams came out with the HRT series as well as a couple other companies that put out their own offerings for the 5.7 there used to be not many choices for cams to install in your 5.7. The 270 was one of the more popular ones before these new ones were finally developed.
I'm looking at all these mods Yes I'm excited I've been saving here and there I just hit 90000 miles on my 2018 Durango RT I'm looking to cam it long tubes etc should I rebuild the engine while placing a new cam?
To be honest I probably wouldn’t at that mileage, but I would maybe do compression tests on your cylinders and make sure everything is good. If everything is 100% just clean up your heads, piston tops ect when you have the heads off. Essentially you’re rebuilding the top end of the motor with the cam install as you’re putting in new pushrods, lifters, valve seats, valve seals, keepers, valve springs and cam. If compression is good, meaning the bottom half of the motor is solid, you should be good to go.
I just had it dyno tuned once really. We were having a tough time tuning it with the phase limiter which is a 09-10 issue I guess, so I swapped out the limiter for a phase lock. My tuner then has access to tune it properly and it was 3 pulls on the dyno and good to go. I have a very good tuner though, he really knows what he’s doing. No guessing. With some of the stories I’ve heard from subscribers about tuners who can’t seem to nail a tune on a cammed Hemi it highlights the importance of finding someone who knows what they’re doing.
If i go to my shop or i order this particular cam whats the part number ? or exact name because when i google it i get multiple variations, and you may have already listed nit else where but i cant seem to find it. I feel like this particular cam would be great for what im looking for as i am trying to get a lil more punch and torque but maintain drivability etc. thanks in advance!
SKU CK112-303-11 is the kit I got. I already had non mds lifters with the 6 speed manual, but I ended up grabbing a set of new non mds ones from Dodge when I did the install anyway.
@@TrackPackRT awesome thanks so much for the reply! So after doing a little research and also looking at the part number. I realize this cam is only for a certain year . I have a 2020 8 speed auto , could you possibly give any recommendations for a cam? As i my knowledge is minimal in this area, also would i need a new pcm? Tune? Etc when installing a new cam?
I kinda regret going this route. Cant find a soul to tune it. Drives fine until you hit stop and go traffic. Then it throws a fit. Been 2 years of a nightmare. Think next time ill go with a S/c. Less headache
Who hage you gone to? Inhave a kenne bell and and tried their stock tune and 2 email tunes from reputable tuners and none were good at all. One coudnt even get my car to stsrt right. He did refund me tho. Once i went to a dyno with a hemi expert he squared me away
@gabedavis890 I can't find a dyno that can tune mine because on top of having a hemi, it's AWD, and the only dyno tuners here are for Subaru and other JDM. Tried the axle disconnect and car wouldnt leave 1st gear or go above 1200 rpm which is probably why the shop that did the work said 🤷♂️ as long as it starts and he leaves we got his money. 👋
The biggest thing is tuning is absolutely critical, which by this time you very well know. And surprisingly a lot of shops are really clueless on how to tune a hemi, and seem like they just kind of guess and end up messing the car up. I've had quite a few people reach out to me saying they couldn't get a tuner to get their car running right after a cam. Ironically I'd argue a supercharger is even more critical to nail the tune to keep your car running safely. If you're still having issues I'd suggest maybe giving my man Chis a call at player 3 performance tuning. He can remotely tune it, and although it's not the same as having it on a dyno I'm sure he can at least start getting you squared away. He uses calculations and math to dial his tunes in, he doesn't guess. AF ratio might be a tough one, he might require that but he might not. Worth reaching out anyways to see if he can help you out, I'll aways recommend him to people. He's a great dude.
It's not shaky and unruly at idle. It's kind of the best of both worlds. It has a nice, deep sounding idle that you can tell is cammed, but it also isn't so extreme that it can barely stay running at idle, or that it is a pain to drive easy around day to day traffic.
I think you just helped me choose what cam to get for my rt 👍
Sounds really good! Definitely noticeable 👍
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I've been a subscriber for about 6 months and enjoy all your content. Unbiased commentaries and diplomatic points of view. I'm a 100% N/A fan and have no plans for any power adder. If I wanted to supercharge my 2023 5.7 auto, I would have just bought a Hellcat and call it a day. But like yourself, I find it more satisfying building upon a proven platform, in our case the 5.7, to make power equal to or better than a mild upgraded Scat Pack. You proven, among others, that it is very doable. Some constructive criticism...There is a point to be made that even though racing the quarter mile against an adversary with lets say 20-30 more HP, it's still a driver's race. Forget about peak numbers on the dyno graph and study the curves. This will give an indication on when to shift and how to launch. By far @B. Mason, in my opinion, has the best, sobering advice on building a 5.7 to effectively compete. You proven that too.
My Pitch Black 5.7 R/T auto is less than 4 months old with 1766 miles on it...Yeah I know....only 1766 miles....? I will be taking pretty much the same advice you have presented to get 'Noir' (French for Black) to mid 12's. However, I will attack my goal in a different order. From the back forward. Stock, the R/T Auto came with a 3.07 open differential. My new 3.90 LSD differential arrived last month and the big heavy box is sitting in my kitchen, which I stumble over it almost every night, is my first upgrade. I decided to go with the MBRP race 3" catback. Box arrived last week and I stumble over that too. It's like an obstacle course in my apartment. Both are to be installed myself with some help of my semi-blind friend. Hopefully by the end of this weekend. Upgraded tires will be next since the 245's can't really handle stock R/T when it comes to traction. BTW, I believe your manual R/T came from the factory with 3.90 gears.
Keep up the good work as I know it does take a concerted effort to piece together these videos. They are not going unappreciated.
Really appreciate the comment, glad you’re enjoying the channel. 🙏🏻
You’re definitely right about what constitutes a close race. My man Bmason has an excellent channel. I’ve had a few videos posted where people were saying things like “you didn’t win that race, he beat you by a tenth of a second” even though I definitely won the race by a couple tenths, but his et was a little faster than mine. It’s the classic discussion of racing someone vs running a time. If I posted the video with no time slip there would be no one debating the outcome of the race. Launching high torque/high hp cars is hard, I think a lot of times people don’t take into account that the driver has a huge influence on the outcome of a race. Bottom line is you want your car to have enough power to be really fun on the street and to be competitive in the class you’re trying to race in, and the 5.7 N/A is very capable of both those things.
Good luck with your install, those autos should’ve had LSDs from the factory, it should make a big difference.
I have a pitch black RT 2023 and did that diff swap, 8 speed auto with no traction! Like you, i am working my way from back on up, you will like that diff swap! Its a totaly different animal now!
Sounds really good
Definitely adds character!
Just bout this same kit !! Going into my 2010 rt challenger 6 speed
Thank you sir! Now need the hemi expert to put it in :O
Get a couple buddies with some free time on the weekend, problem solved! Haha
@@TrackPackRT There's this dude I worked with way way back when I had an Eagle Talon, he polished the paint back then like all evening till late night. The car was white with black top, white 16 inch wheels, dark tint windows.... . Oh man I miss that feels of late night'n on a car. Thanks!
That intro is INSANE
🙏🏻
I bought this kit for my ram. I have been waiting for over two months. Just got a call from them saying they still don’t have all the parts together.
Frustrating. Hope they get it sorted soon for you!
Informative channel and quality editing.
In reference to the topic of the video I must say your challenger does sound very quiet. Sounds good, just quiet for the mods you listed.
Who did you get to do your tuning? All I hear here locally is "stay away from "
Thanks! I have a 3” magnaflow catback, part no 16886. It’s classified as “aggressive” for exterior noise levels which is their loudest offering. It’s definitely louder than stock, especially at WOT. To be honest I was a little apprehensive about it because I didn’t want my car to be insanely loud both for my neighbours and myself cruising at highway speeds. But it’s actually not bad, with rpm’s low I can keep the volume reasonable and with the 3” piping I got rid of some restriction I was seeing in my dyno that was holding me back. I go through Chris at player 3 performance tuning. He’s a great dude and really knows what he’s doing. Cool that you’re local, maybe see you around the track. 👊🏻
Hope to see you this season. I pm'd you in your insta
@@mattcat234 🙏🏻
Are your headers the stainless works 1 7/8 or 2 inch collector? I don't remember what cat back exhaust you went with. Your car sounds really nice at idle.
1 7/8". I went with a magnaflow 3" catback. I really like how smooth it sounds, no rasp, but great performance sound. I went with part no 16886 and kept my factory tips.
Can I ask what rpm it idles at now ?
Hey man sounds great but I can tell you that sounds of cam can be changed drastically depending on the tune. More or less lope can be tuned in. I have the same cam on my rumble bee sounds way different.
True to a point. I mean if you retard the timing like crazy it will get much lopier, but also isn’t good for performance. If you tune it, especially on a dyno, for optimal power and performance the idles should be fairly similar.
@@TrackPackRT True. Not to mention the tone change based on exhaust set up. Just seen Frostbite did a ghost cam tune on his new challenger with the 5.7. Sounds better than expected.
@@yellowjacketram4143 there’s a lot of them out there I’m super curious to hear! I had a buddy show me one called “the lumberjack” because of the choppiness. 😂😂
Side note great video's man I watched a lot while working my build for comparison and obviously still do. How much further are you going man?
@@yellowjacketram4143 still trying to decide. That’s why I’ve left my intake stock for now. Not sure if I want to throw a super charger on, or just keep a really solid NA build and finish with a 392 intake.
Can the same cam be installed to a truck or no ?
Can you please review 392 intake on your setup? That would be bad ass
If I end up throwing one on you better believe I'll have dyno testing and drag strip testing to show everyone!
Hear alot about the 270! But what about the 274 lift? Nice sound on that warm idle
274 is a full race cam and will kill low and mid range, its meant for stroker motors
The 274 is too big of a cam for the 5.7. You'll see some people run them and talk about how awesome they are, but in all actuality you'll lose all the fun torquey power down low and really make your car a slug to drive in the city. I remembered seeing Comp Cams themselves on a cam comparison video reply to a comment saying the 274 was too big of a cam for the 5.7 and they didn't recommend it. The 270 lots of guys have including my man Modern Red Hemi. Back before Comp Cams came out with the HRT series as well as a couple other companies that put out their own offerings for the 5.7 there used to be not many choices for cams to install in your 5.7. The 270 was one of the more popular ones before these new ones were finally developed.
I’ve been looking at this kit for my 2013 RT. 5.7, 5spd automatic. Do you know if a stall converter would be needed?
It’s not required
I'm looking at all these mods Yes I'm excited I've been saving here and there I just hit 90000 miles on my 2018 Durango RT I'm looking to cam it long tubes etc should I rebuild the engine while placing a new cam?
To be honest I probably wouldn’t at that mileage, but I would maybe do compression tests on your cylinders and make sure everything is good. If everything is 100% just clean up your heads, piston tops ect when you have the heads off. Essentially you’re rebuilding the top end of the motor with the cam install as you’re putting in new pushrods, lifters, valve seats, valve seals, keepers, valve springs and cam. If compression is good, meaning the bottom half of the motor is solid, you should be good to go.
@Track Pack R/T Thhanks so much I finally got a solid answer 🤛🏾
Did you get the boosted stage or just the na? I know your car isnt boosted just wondering because im interested in the hrt cam
The NA cam
So they produce this cam specified to my ram truck with the 5.7 and I'm curious ab how much tuning you had to have done with this cam.
I just had it dyno tuned once really. We were having a tough time tuning it with the phase limiter which is a 09-10 issue I guess, so I swapped out the limiter for a phase lock. My tuner then has access to tune it properly and it was 3 pulls on the dyno and good to go. I have a very good tuner though, he really knows what he’s doing. No guessing. With some of the stories I’ve heard from subscribers about tuners who can’t seem to nail a tune on a cammed Hemi it highlights the importance of finding someone who knows what they’re doing.
If i go to my shop or i order this particular cam whats the part number ? or exact name because when i google it i get multiple variations, and you may have already listed nit else where but i cant seem to find it. I feel like this particular cam would be great for what im looking for as i am trying to get a lil more punch and torque but maintain drivability etc. thanks in advance!
SKU CK112-303-11 is the kit I got. I already had non mds lifters with the 6 speed manual, but I ended up grabbing a set of new non mds ones from Dodge when I did the install anyway.
@@TrackPackRT awesome thanks so much for the reply! So after doing a little research and also looking at the part number. I realize this cam is only for a certain year . I have a 2020 8 speed auto , could you possibly give any recommendations for a cam? As i my knowledge is minimal in this area, also would i need a new pcm? Tune? Etc when installing a new cam?
Idle is like srt8 stock
No
I kinda regret going this route. Cant find a soul to tune it. Drives fine until you hit stop and go traffic. Then it throws a fit. Been 2 years of a nightmare. Think next time ill go with a S/c. Less headache
Who hage you gone to? Inhave a kenne bell and and tried their stock tune and 2 email tunes from reputable tuners and none were good at all. One coudnt even get my car to stsrt right. He did refund me tho. Once i went to a dyno with a hemi expert he squared me away
@gabedavis890 I can't find a dyno that can tune mine because on top of having a hemi, it's AWD, and the only dyno tuners here are for Subaru and other JDM. Tried the axle disconnect and car wouldnt leave 1st gear or go above 1200 rpm which is probably why the shop that did the work said 🤷♂️ as long as it starts and he leaves we got his money. 👋
The biggest thing is tuning is absolutely critical, which by this time you very well know. And surprisingly a lot of shops are really clueless on how to tune a hemi, and seem like they just kind of guess and end up messing the car up. I've had quite a few people reach out to me saying they couldn't get a tuner to get their car running right after a cam. Ironically I'd argue a supercharger is even more critical to nail the tune to keep your car running safely. If you're still having issues I'd suggest maybe giving my man Chis a call at player 3 performance tuning. He can remotely tune it, and although it's not the same as having it on a dyno I'm sure he can at least start getting you squared away. He uses calculations and math to dial his tunes in, he doesn't guess. AF ratio might be a tough one, he might require that but he might not. Worth reaching out anyways to see if he can help you out, I'll aways recommend him to people. He's a great dude.
How is the idle for daily use? Is it shaky on idle inside?
It's not shaky and unruly at idle. It's kind of the best of both worlds. It has a nice, deep sounding idle that you can tell is cammed, but it also isn't so extreme that it can barely stay running at idle, or that it is a pain to drive easy around day to day traffic.
Had it on thr dyno yet? Curious the nunbers
Yessir, that video is here: th-cam.com/video/KTqB2nwE3EY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=YRd5vw_4SV34Wrhr
Did you cancel the cam sensor system?
No you definitely can’t shut off the cam position sensor. I locked out the phaser though.
@@TrackPackRTcamshaft hrt stage 3 comp @@TrackPackRT
Because I heard someone canceled it by tuned
Do you have long tube headers ?
Yessir.
@TrackPackRT grrr...ok cuz I'm in cali, I can only have shortys. Although BBK makes a decent set