Impeachment Round 2 | Pod Save America
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- The second impeachment of Donald Trump begins, President Biden reins in ICE as part of an immigration overhaul, and Fox News is hit with a $2.3 billion defamation lawsuit for spreading election conspiracies. Jon Favreau, Jon Lovett and Tommy Vietor discuss Trump’s second impeachment trial, President Biden’s immigration policy, and how to combat right wing disinformation.
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Hilary had the guts to testify for 11 hours, and was acquitted
lol: "What you monsters won't acknowledge is that unity and civility itself are on trial here," Tommy.
Spell check: won't; acknowledge. Grammar check: unity and civility themselves. If you want to be taken seriously regardless of your moral compass outlook, at least have a strong hold on the English language.
@@gbereterbide6440 good catch, but it's colloquial and a bit irrelevant.
@@gbereterbide6440 Everyone could read it and understand what he was saying. He communicated effectively. It's not like this is some kind of published paper that needs to be absolutely perfect. It's a freakin' TH-cam comments section. He also used the abbreviation "lol" which is definitely not grammatically correct, but it communicates what he was trying to say. We don't have to use academic levels of English all the time.
There's a time and a place for that kind of correction, but it's not here.
@@gbereterbide6440 Good eye, Ms. Bereterbide. I'm assuming your a school teacher who saw my comment on a bad day....? Corrected my spelling but, as far as the grammar and word choice is concerned, take it up with Tommy (6:19-6:25). I thought the sarcastic humor to be in good enough taste to warrant the effort of reproducing it in the comment section. From where I see, his "moral compass outlook" is just fine and I bid you good day, ma'am.
@@gbereterbide6440 u dum
Lovett looks like a cute little pokemon trainer in that outfit lol, I support him
I find that this is the only show that has meaningful dialogue about politics. I really wish that there more shows like this that were thought provoking, insightful, and led by experienced and intelligent people.
That’s because they all came from politics...All so informative👍👍👍👍
There are many. And they are all necessary
And they are refreshingly young. Wish they were in office.
David Pakman?
Yeah exactly David Pakman, Sam Seder, The late Michael Brooks Archive content.
I love opening with “The former host of The Apprentice.” Great burn 🔥
One lovely TH-camr calls him “Putin's former POTUS”. I like that
Former Birther
How? Lol
As someone from WI everytime Ron Johnson opens his mouth I'm embarrassed.
If Trump is regarded as citizen and not president time to go after him for all his other crimes has arrived
But, remember juries will have committed Trumptards who will see a chain of trials as witch hunts.
Amazing that even as a common citizen he can just ignore summons to appear in court! Why???
Yes ! Arrest him like Charles Manson and Bin Laden who also were murderous cowards who manipulated following into doing murder and mayhem.
@@karwalker7791 LOL- Funny I recall marines being sent in at night to get OBL and unknown grave in the sea to avoid martyrdom. I guess you mean Manson who got an orange outfit rather than the precision airstrike/hitjob. It would just great to see Trump Tower appropriated and rezoned into green social housing
He can be the first president to be imprisoned for criminal activiyes and bribery in office.
If these guys were on a talk show, I would be one of those annoying people in the audience clapping and cheering at everything they say. As it is, I do that here in my room with my laptop. I marvel at how insightful, articulate and witty they are. Wish they were in government now, with high-level, powerful positions. Tommy's summing up at around 2 min of the righteousness of the trial was beautifully said. And yes, Jon, the insanity of dems insisting on a truncated trial so as not to interfere with quotidian admin. ARGGGGGGGGGGG!!!
America needs to finish this trial. If the ‘former tv host’ is not stopped now, he will continue to play his games. Narcissists do not admit that they’re wrong, and he has to be put in a position that prevents him from attempting to be in a position of power.
That's my highest priority: making sure he can never hold office ever again. I don't care so much about a jail sentence or fines so much as making sure he can never run again.
its now or never he has to be stopped with prejudice
My sexuality is these guys making a smart comment and then immediately looking into the horizon
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'Benghazi' the shit out of the Impeachment trial of Trump.
Also, "The Squad" the shit out Marjorie Taylor Greene. Although it's sad we have to use the Fox and Republican technique for disseminating lies in order for the truth to get an equal hearing.
They should force Trump to call each senator a useless imbecile to their face. It will make Trump seem very uncouth, forcing Republicans to vote Democrat next election.
you guys, just ask Rubio and Cruz: how can you assure us, that if you become president and lose your reelection , you are NOT going to try the same thing that Trump did ?
There's no way in hell either of those two would ever become president of the U.S.
And, would you believe them if they “assured” you?
@@KnowTrentTimoy Never say never, friend. I thought the same thing about former President Tangerine.
They're shameless Trump toadies, but they're not mentally ill.
Biden better not let any of them win. He can spy, cheat, and pardon himself, remember?
Thank you for the nuanced conversation about defamation lawsuits. I think most of us had an immediate schadenfreude moment about Fox getting sued, but it's important to look at the bigger picture.
Maybe the solution to fix immigration is for the US Gov’t to stop supporting military coups in the central american countries.
To the defamation question, why not revive the Fairness Doctrine? There’s a direct line between its demise and the rise of Fox News.
Watching Jon read the intro while trying not to bust out laughing was worth watching over and over and over again.
Hey Guys. How impressed are we with Jen Psaki! She is so good!!!
Would we get more votes to convict if ballots were secret?
Probably yes
Vote to convict Trump 99 to 1. The one vote against conviction is dumb as a sack of rocks Tommy Tuberville.
Is that an actual thing? Are Senators constitutionally allowed to do a secret ballot vote for a Senate trial?
@@td_kdname5197 Please don't insult sacks of rocks.
@@scottwarthin1528 I have no idea. Never been done before but I don't know why you couldn't if the rules for the trial were set up that way. Schumer and McConnell unfortunately did not set it up this way
Watching Lovett talk about defamation struggling between knowing what's right and seeing how easily it can and will be corrupted and exploited is a mood.
You need witnesses to craft a narrative. Evidence alone isn’t enough. You have to tell a compelling story. You do that with witnesses. Anytime I’ve done jury duty, witnesses overwhelmingly are given more weight in deliberations than evidence presented by the prosecution.
I think it's a good idea to have witnesses not overly affiliated with either party. Call Capitol Hill police or a valet from the White House who saw Trump's reaction to the riot. Call one of the attendees at the rally who has since condemned Trump's speech as inciteful.
We have them in video and in court documents.
@@remiscott9843 having a person there is much more intense effect. We can't question videos. We can't see tears and breakdowns in real time.
I am completely flummoxed by the lack of intelligent politics that the Dems showed in these impeachment trials. I think it is incredible that the House chose to do the exact same thing this time even after the failure in the first impeachment.
It's as if the Dems refuse to even try. But Romney gave a token vote for the truth. Other Senators joined him this time.
That tells me that it is possible to get some votes, even when we make no attempt to do so. Imagine what might have been the result if the House approached the problem as if there was hope for conviction.
Both cases felt like a slam dunk and the House presented them that way. What a laughable strategy. They looked like fools with their little video and the Republicans showed the folly of that strategy.
See? they said, "We can make videos too."
What should have been done was to dig into every Republican - - not to find dirt but to discover what issues and ideas are important for them and their donors. They should have had a strategy for every R and most D Senators. All they wanted was a good line for them when they talk to their voters and they schmooze with their donors. Everyone there would have at least paid attention to the case if they thought that they could vote their conscience while assuring their constituents and donors that they also benefitted from that vote.
All of them thought that a Trump-protecting vote would best serve their campaign speeches. The entire point for the House should have been to discover and then present a good reason to vote differently this time. I can't be the only one thinking this.
How can we expect them to choose the more difficult vote if you don't provide a single stump speech argument that they can use when their constituents question their votes?
It is utterly worthless to present a case that makes sense to the Dems and ignores the needs of those whose voters won't automatically approve of their vote.
To fail to troll intelligently for Republican votes either time shows us that the current crop of Dems really suck at politics and clearly aren't that bright.
If you want votes then you have to go get them. It shouldn't have been too hard. Both parties are required to please the same people. If the donors pushed, those Rs would have filled the voting rolls with yeas in a straight ticket.
So, are the Dems too dumb to be aware of the poli Sci 101 understanding of their jobs: or are the Dems trying to accomplish something else that they did not share with the rest of us?
@@Done478 This was meant to be an offer at redemption for the GQP to pin everything on 45** at best, or costing them two or three seats at worst. It was a good political strategy. They were threatening to call 300 witnesses, ain't nobody got time for that.
Like the war on drugs failed the war on stupid looks like is our task. Teachers like you good speakers are so valuable to hear good healthy debate. Thanks for helping. Very hopeful young people are smarter than the older ones and are our greatest treasure. XO
This sequel is better than the original
With a common theme of treason
like Shrek 2
Yeah but the sequel is only necessary because they rushed the ending in the original and left so many plot threads open. Also the sequel hook "I'm sure the President learned his lesson" by Susan Collins felt really tacked on
@@theomegajuice8660 Wanna know what she says now. Has anyone come back to her and asked "hey, remember when you said he learned his lesson then he almost killed you..."
@@Alexandra31T If shrek was getting impeached for insurrection
Yet again Crooked Media gives the unique in-depth "pre-game" analysis that cant be found any where else. The perspectives and predictions of Biden admin times only successful former Obama admin officials can give. All the more better a Tues Senate Trial spectator for it. Kudos.
They just have to say Former President as many times as they can.
Notice that nobody calls Jimmie Carter or Obama former. You earn your title. And Obama pretended to drink poison water from Flint Michigan (among other bad things) and they still call him President.
Notice that neither Jimmy Carter or Obama claims to be the current president of the United States. President-reject Trump is the only former president who needs a reality check.
The catch is we have to getMerrick Garland confirmed.
I know of no other democratic country that lets it's leaders think they have so much power. American belief in their own power feeds the ego and ability to be corrupted. If you are there to serve the american people you are answerable to the people and the courts
You're so right. Our politicians have become celebrities instead of public servants.
I sympathize with President Biden of not wanting the trial to interfere with covid discussions, but we have to hold Trump and others accountable for their actions. I'd look into invoking the 14th amendment to prevent Trump from running for office again.
Right. He didn't value the intel briefings while he should have. Why continue with the pearls before swine?
Jon Lovett - tell me about the birds behind you!
If you don't put up witnesses, they're going to be yelling "there weren't even witnesses"
I think the staff members should be witness's and not tell what office they work... after this then NYAG should make an arrest
I totally had this thought as well
I wonder if there is any legal argument for "you can't prosecute a sitting president ++++ you can't impeach a president who is no longer president." I mean, to an ordinary person, this makes no sense. But to a lawyer? They have different brains.
Anyone else remember the Fairness Doctrine?
We kinda need that back.
Agreed
Making the case for this and making it hard, forces them to defend it all for the record forever.
I don't understand why so many commentators/news republishers are giving MTGreene so much air time. This dynamic is what makes people feel like podcasters/commentators are adding to the problem.
And yet she thinks she’s being censored.
She’s a member of Congress and a a GOP base darling. She’s news, like her or not (decidedly not, of course).
Agreed. No air time for MTG.
You are all right. I read an article about how she’s the “new” Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman. It’s scary how crazier they get as time goes on...Quit conflating her status to something she’s not. She’s a freshman congresswoman. While I would never compare AOC in terms of her policies to Greene (AOC being sane and lucid even if I don’t totally agree with her) i have felt the same way of FOX News’s treatment of her. They have a most inappropriate boner for her and have made her more important than she was or is. We cannot do the same for this train wreck.
Both sides judge themselves by their core, and the other by their fringe.
"If you rush the trial - it would be useless" oh I wish that was true 😨
Waiting all day for this, Love you guys👏👏💙💙💙💙
Let’s expose the lies as lies and embarrass those who repeated them.
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Hello!
@@podsaveamerica I am still addicted to your content. You have provided great insight for people not from the US. Long may you continue guys!
I just got to the part in "Promised Land" where Barack Obama hired you guys and I screamed!
I love the point on Ron Johnson still being invited on Sunday (or any) news shows. I am a native Wisconsite. He is an embarrasment. I have written to his office to tell him to resign. I am hoping that other from WI will do the same. Everyone who has Senators or Congressmen in their state who voted to nullify the free and fair election among other issues should write to them and let them know that they expect nothing less than justice and accountability.
When youtube tried to auto-generate, "ICE's" was captioned "isis" and I had to watch it over because it was so funny.
My question for the media is why are they not giving equal time to the truth tellers: the Republicans who voted to impeach, and those who voted for a trial? Kinzlinger and the rest with their “Alamo vibes” as Lovett so memorably and romantically put it?
Using the "defense" that he was just exercising his First Amendment rights is bull. That would mean that "incite to riot" is not a punishable offense. His _speech_ had _influence_ to the listeners.. regardless of whether or not they were actually _rational_
He loaded and cocked the gun, then feigned innocence when our democracy was shot. _bullsh/t_
Funny guys. No way will I enjoy this impeachment trial. I already know I will be yelling at the screen. Republicans will lie and I will be furious. Hope you all enjoy it. Lol.
You and me both.
Let ICE's union object to policy change. Let them walk out. They can be fired like Reagan fired the air traffic controllers union.
They should have the police testify what they witnessed and went through that day.
I can imagine a "friend" of Trump asking for a specific report on a specific issue.
Yes, there is an inside and outside aspects to this impeachment trial.
We need to position/ encourage people to obtain authenticity and integrity, as well to commit to sustain those characteristics. We the Citizens have not been holding them- the politicians- to account, for to long. Thank you for this venue for intelligent political dialogue. The future is in the hands of our young progressives.
HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO WAIT UNTIL THURSDAY. x
Great episode today, guys & Jon's "Lovett or Leave It" this weekend had me running to the damn bathroom before I wet myself. How embarrassing LOL...but Tommy is right on when he said we're in a misinformation crisis. Everywhere you turn someone is spouting off some baseless bullshit they found in the Black Hole of the internet🙄😑
Former host of the apprentice LMAO. Yes! That is how he should be referred to in the future. Erase the title of president because he never met the requirements of the title.
I coulda' been a qontender
Amen but while he was the place holder, he caused such death and chaos.....
Sequels are always better than the original, right? 🤣🤣
At 6:44, Jon says, "the other kind of witness I would be interested to hear from..." and I immediately blurted out THE TOUR GUIDES THE DAY BEFORE!!!
Exactly
My dream team ♥️♥️♥️🥰😋
The House Managers who are top of the line experts in Constitutional law. Van Der Ven is a freakin' Personal Injury Attorney!!!
The former host of The Apprentice... I love it!!! Far from The 45th president he insists on being called!
America needs this podcast like 2021 needs the vaccine 💉 Inject me good!
Who doesn’t love a good montage😀😆
You guys are hilarious
I'm so with you guys. Why do these Sunday morning talk shows keep inviting the same Republican liars back for comment? They simply spew misinformation talking points over and over again.
I can't help but go back to Tim Russert. Tim Russert controlled Meet the Press. If someone he invited tried to control the conversation with misinformation, Russert would cut him off. If that didn't work, Russert wouldn't interview him again.
I started my career in television news journalism back in the 70s. If you willfully told a lie on the air, you were fired. Editorial and lying are two entirely different things. Editorial is based on "facts." Lying is simply lying and is based on more lying.
Today, it's different. Part of the problem is the FCC doesn't have the same power that it did back in the 70s. These issues were addressed at the onset of television broadcasting. (That's why the FCC was created.) The theory behind it was, broadcast was able to essentially reach everyone. With that said, it had to be regulated. I'm sick of hearing people today making the argument of free speech. Free speech does not cover willfully lying in order to mislead the American public. It's fucking dangerous. January 6 is proof on how dangerous it is.
Yes about people debating unbeatable stupid things. Lovette
Second impeachment--LOL!
The correct reply to "Whatabout Dem leaders who encouraged riots?" is: "You'll have to impeach them if you want to have that discussion."
Did they target a building that immediately got attacked?
What about the Fairness Doctrine?
I doubt Republicans would support any restrictions on speech. They've built the base on propaganda and hate speech. The last thing they want is a mandatory counter opinion on alt right media
You gotta pressure him, try to get him in the corner and work the body
Eww. But yeah.
Couldn't trump conceivably sell security briefings - potentially to foreign "friends" in high places?
@25:35 ." Trump gives them a policy swirly in the toilet " 😄😄😄😄.Lovett is great
The former host of The Apprentice😄😀😂😆
Love it
Bring in the witnesses and let the trial go on for as long as it takes....we all know he's guilty. Great show, thanks.
If you don't want IMPEACHMENT then BEHAVE yourself.
There must be full transparency over speed; as this is the peoples business also. This is a country issue not political issue. I hold everyone accountable in this. They have the authority, and their supporters are paying a price for their participation. Yes to witnesses.
Thank you guys for this conversation.
You're welcome! Thank YOU for watching!
Why has Chief Justice Roberts declined to oversee the trial ?
He says he is only needed for trials of sitting presidents so now that Trump is out of office he declined.
I love you guys and watch you faithfully! Over the last two days I’ve been watching the Impeachment Trial and my question to you all is WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT Hawley, Cruz and the like that are going to co-sign Trumps bullshit one more time? Recall efforts?
Thank you Gentleman!
Stumbled on to you young guys, awesome good fair honest clever the whole lot,good stuff 👍
Awesome, thank you!
Problem is Jared is likely to get the briefs thru Trump.
Really interesting conversation about defamation lawsuits
You guys are pretty smart - keep it up
Cast of All-Stars. Hahahaha. Perfect.
Woooo Content!
How valuable truth is in a Democracy
I keep thinking about BENGHAZI.
Cranking them out, boys.
or if someone secretly recorded enjoying himself when it was happening! That should seal the deal
I enjoy crooked media it makes me think , for Example. We are all in such a complex situation with free speech, media and history. A lie and truth have degrees of currency in a bewildering equation . news is a situation of of trying to persuade the truth and weed out the lie and then is judge as some sort commentary on the facts. a thought brought on by John Lovetts comment on history and vindication. Thank you
Media has always been considered a fourth branch of government. There was a time when members of government could not stand up and tell bald faced lies over and over because other members of government and the media would call out their lies and voters would hold them accountable, but now every element in this equation of accountability is divided across party lines so that political figures can blatantly lie knowing that aligned media outlets and voters will support the lie. We are truly on the edge of an Orwellian dystopia where lies and demagoguery coexist and even win over objectively verifiable truths. The first amendment will become the sword that killed our democracy if we don't figure this out very soon and act on it.
Well, Josh Hawley finally gave up his stupid "no on everyone/everything" stance by not objecting to unanimous consent to confirm Kathleen Hicks for Deputy SecDef; however he was no on confirming Denis McDonough for VA so I guess it's a wash
Good points on defamation
I think showing them for their craziness it's good for the people but you do have to fax it because that's just dangerous
What if Bloomberg were to buy up Fox?
Better yet the Soros foundation 😂😂😂
That is priceless! "Will you show the videos that don't show Democrats denouncing antifas?".... Really?!?!?
But the rushed trial worked so well the first time. If it ain't broke! What is it about Dem's insistence on redoing failed strategies without any reflection or evidence of learning?
Don't you mean, former Twitter influencer?
You can also tell, legally, that they know it's defamation. Or close enough they are afraid of punitive damages. Because their retractions are an attempt to get to the legal standard to make it become financial damages and avoid punitive damages.
You don't issue those absurd retractions if they had ANY valid evidence to support their allegations.
I have the advantage of watching this after day 1 of the trial. The video they showed tells the story. Unless the have video or audio of the former President saying we have to storm the Capital Building no amount of witness's can add to what is so plain for everyone to see. Trumps Attornies were comic relief. ✌
I missed one day of News, now there won't be witnesses?
What would be the the problem like here in the UK where the leader of the losing party has 24 hours to vacate 10 Downing Street?
If I watch an interview with a liar, I always comment: This guy is a hack; why bother? Thanks for nothing.
A crime was committed. I would like a full process.
Has Lovett been working out? Guns 💪🏻 are looking good man. 😀
Call insurrect people as witnesses