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- Senate Republicans seem likely to exonerate the man who incited a mob that almost killed them, and our new Crooked Media/Change Research Pollercoaster series shows that Joe Biden’s agenda is extremely popular and MAGA media continues to radicalize its audience.
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If nobody's held accountable then they absolutely will learn something, namely that they can get away with absolutely anything and anytime.
The real argument is that we shouldn't be held accountable for things we do as well.
Let's just turn the u.s. into the purge.
5th Avenue 🥴
I got news for you, they already knew that. Known that for years
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"Beat them. Then use that political power to be more Democratic." Correct Dan!
That means finding ways to bring in the Bernie wing of the DNC...that should not be that difficult if the public option can become based on a % of income regardless of how small income might be.
Seems like concern is Manchin and Sinema, not Sanders and King.
Making or changing our politics BACK to more of a small "d" democratic republic America!
The only way to beat them is with universal health care and a Green economy with a $20/hr. minimum wage by 2023.
So that beating them means turning them into democrats. I know it goes against your instinct to dualism but in fact if you read at all you will discover that they eat and poo like you do.
Yeah this should show everyone that you can't negotiate with terrorists.
14th Amendment!!!
The bananas Banana Republican Party must be held accountable for their complicity in the Big Lie that President Biden has assumed power by fraudulent means. These elected Liars going to bat for Trump know the election was not stolen and care only for their own self-preservation. Besides the handful of Republicans with integrity, these selfish liars will do nothing to preserve democracy and are okay with our nation becoming the Fascist States of America. Even if though the MAGA crowd is fired up and dangerous, more dangerous is letting Trump and his lying cronies get away with the January 6 Insurrection. All Pentagon officials involved in delaying the deployment of the National Guard while Capitol police were being overrun and our elected government was fearing onslaught must be prosecuted.
Fuck compromising with the side that cockblocked dem bills when they had the majority. They are okay with American suffering, and proper COVID relief has already been delayed way too long. Push this shit through NOW, and try to compromise LATER on other issues that are not life and death.
@@biancacc837 That’s what I'm sayin!
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AMEN! Your lips (or fingers rather) to Democrats ears. That’s seems to be the mindset of all Dem voters right now. So you’d think they’d move.
This is what happens when accessories to the crime are on the jury.
They’re scared that the truth about their involvement will come out.
Exactly!! They need to have witnesses that point fingers at those Senators
A Republican “on record” means nothing. We’ve seen that over and over.
Democrats are hypocrites.
Republicans know that the trial of 45 will put the spotlight on them, too.
Don't kid yourself. We already watched a legitimate impeachment turn into a mockery.
@@joshlentz agreed
@@joshlentz Not really. It made Dems look awful. Why do you think they lost almost all of their majority in the house? Its not because their popular.
the only thing that should happen is not impeachment but arrest trump
The Dems need to be firm and aggressive in dealing with Pubs.
That will never happen. The Dems have proven time and time again just how weak they are. Bottom line...Trump and anyone in the GOP involved will get nothing held against them, nothing will happen, nothing will change other than the rest of the world will know beyond a shadow of a doubt that America is a completely F'd up place and our democracy does NOT work. As long as we continue with a two party system, this country will fall. The whole system invites the division we see today. They are all crooks, power hungry greedy assholes and nothing will happen to anyone, except of course the "average" citizen, we will all pay for their incompetence, greed and power.
the Dems are the fighters that will not punch , so the republicans that are vile individuals will win every time
@@lindabound1701 And when the strong Progressives try to hold the GOP accountable, Dino Pelosi shuts them down. Can we please primary Pelosi?
Nor should we compromise with them
I think that's the only play. If the Republicans won't hold Trump accountable with a clear statement then they should be told that they can just sit out this session of Congress because they won't get a single bill passed.
Exactly. A mediocre Republican once said, we don't negotiate with terrorists.
Dems should go it alone, before the reasonable minority of Republicans resign from office. The future of the GOP is abetting domestic terror groups in the continental United States.
@@bluetextbooks and then you will be destroyed in 2 years and all of what you are trying to "force" will be forced back against you. Dems never learn their lessons. Even 3 conservatives justices later, still being dumb and wanting to change rules that will destroy them later.
Thank you again, Jon! You & everyone at Crooked Media are putting out amazing podcasts. Keep speaking truth to power & calling these treasonous clowns out for who and what they are. It amazes me that a near death experience hasn't swayed them at all.
Amazing💙💙
Didn't surprise me. They already didn't give two craps about students being used as target practice. Wouldn't pass one gun control law. Those people are ghouls and we need to stop coming up with strategies to bring them along
"a near death experience hasn't swayed them at all" Classic cult mindset
I want to end the filibuster so we can do covid, John Lewis Voting Rights Act, 15$ min, and temporary M4A (if we can get it).
This is a dumb question but what is temporary M4A?
@@Paisley-tw9ih not a dumb question, I know policy gets thick. It's essentially medicare for everyone who needs it during Covid, if I'm reading it right.
@@edgy_username President Biden can give everyone who has covid and areas hit heavy by the virus Medicare right now without Congress. He should do that and then work on expanding the ACA.
@@LinkRocks he could, but it would probably get litigated and I think federalist society Judges might be inclined to restrict it, on constitutional grounds alone. However, with the ACA, I would recommend adding "impacted by Covid" a qualifying condition to enroll outside of open enrollment. Healthcare is going to very difficult to institute long last reforms by executive power. President Biden served in the Senate for a very long time, so he has that political expertise. Also, without bolstering our state sponsored healthcare programs, adding more to an already overcrowded, underfunded system, might bog it down even more.
It's a real pickle.
Sooooo you want to end the USA completely and make everyone poor? Gotcha!
If he's barred from public office, he'll probably lose interest in politics pretty quickly and go back to his usual grifts. He doesn't have the attention span or the humility to play a supporting role for anyone else's candidacy.
Broken “information” system is key. An American friend of mine (former Republican) living in Canada voted for Biden this election. She said that she wasn’t sure if she would have voted that way had she still been in the US because she had been exposed to different politics/media/ideas up here
this is so depressing and so scary.
So, as an Austrian (which I am) you learn history at a very young age, and what i guarantee you is that you can only treat those people with a heavy hand, otherwise they just take take take until everything is destroyed. You see the same thing in the Middle East. Dont tolerate conservatism, they would happily go back to a patriarchy where girls and poor people and people of other races are their property. I am NOT joking here. Find your inner strength and be tough with those who want that treatment (they show it by trying to force it on others). Once this is understood you will be surprised how loyal these folks are, like dogs. Also no joke.
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Absolutely. You are spot on. Trying to negotiate & reach out with the party who supported/provoked an insurrection & are now trying to excuse it ... after literally blocking every Dem policy in every former Dem president’s terms ... it’s stupid. They need to move & say screw the other side.
@@t.l.1610 trump's supporters who are fellow WHITE SUPREMACISTS that have infiltrated Police Forces, Military Branches, FBI, CIA, DOJ, Judicial System, CONGRESS and SENATE MUST BE FOUND and PURGED from Government Jobs and LOSE their PENSIONS.
The republicans are FOS. They spent 6 years and $100s of Millions of dollars holding Congressional Hearings trying to blame the death of 4 Americans at the Benghazi Embassy on Hillary Clinton and Susan Rice. They were UNABLE to find them guilty of wrong doing because they were NOT RESPONSIBLE for procuring security at the Embassy. Yet those SAME scumbag Republicans have not said a peep about trump's White Supremacy, and his GROSS INCOMPETENCE and MALFEASANCE in allowing 400,000 Americans to DIE due his MISHANDLING of COVID19 Pandemic. The Republican party should be BANNED as a SPONSOR of TERROR, and a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION for their COVID19 LACK of FEDERAL RESPONSE and for INCITING the INSURRECTION and TREASON at the CAPITOL Based on A LIE about voter fraud, which resulted in 5 deaths and a DANGER to OUR DEMOCRACY.
@Democrats&Leftists hate White people mate, Hell for you is very close, prepare.
@Democrats&Leftists hate White people
Your brand new account with the poor grammar, spelling, & hyper partisan buzzwords looks SUPER legit, comrade. (Edit: decided not to argue with your trolling ass).
WE NEED A STACEY ABRAMS IN EVERY STATE!
She will be our next governor here in GA, but she could train activists.
You're right and yes we can start now we can get in touch with Stacey she can give us some guard lines,someone get to do it and am ready👍
52 of them :)
@@christinagurchinoff1517 are you still listening to former President Obama? He misspoke, there are only 50 states in The United "Shates" of America.
@@rohieram724 for now-District of COlumbia should be 51 and Puerto Rico#52.
He should be bared from running. Let’s be clear it would take away him being able to grift the public for money.
I keep saying Make DC, Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 Guam, and the Virgin Islands each a state odds are you will get 8 dems new senator's. along with new house members.
DC yes, the others? who knows.
DC Statehood already has a bill, and momentum. Dems should first go with DC Statehood and secure the two DC Senators.
Get the momentum, and then send the PR statehood bill up for a vote!
Yes- good plan!
Not gonna happen. Besides the right will just create new states of their own out of existing states.
And then, combine the two Dakotas, maybe Wyoming and Montana ... that way could keep stars on flag at 50.
I feel sane when I listen to you guys. Thank you for all you do. Cheers !
Get rid of the electoral college!!
i think they should continue with the trial to get everyone on the record then pursue the censure additionally after that
So what? You think John Barrasso is afraid of losing a general election in Wyoming to a Democrat? They are on the record, they have no shame. We all know this, we need a new plan
@@PaperRaines History cares, people care now.
@@lcflngn yeah, but so? Like at what point is everybody going to realize the *only thing* Republicans care about is craven power? That's it, they don't care how they'll look to people in history. They don't even care what people think about them now. They, don't, give, a, [don't want this comment removed, use your imagination to finish this sentence]
They are playing by a completely cynical rule book of politics. Even if they lose an election or two for now, they're on the long game of frustration. They'll wait for voters to get disappointed by all the things they don't get, because Republicans in congress and state houses will block everything they can, and then they'll campaign on Democrats can't do anything, so elect Republicans. And it will work
Republicans lie better than Democrats tell the truth, and they have, I'll repeat, zero shame playing that game. They won't shed a tear for their reputations when they're back in power cutting taxes and appointing federalists judges. That's simply the situation we are in
@@PaperRaines So. The Dems MUST DO THINGS. Just watched nice pod/vlog with Jon Favreau & Ezra Klein. Dems must actually accomplish ish (my daughter’s version of getting away with swear words ;) ) and people must feel government is functioning. I.e., GOVERNMENT HAS TO FUNCTION FOR THE PEOPLE. Sry, just gotta yell sometimes. Otherwise it’s all ish.
The censure that Tim Kaine is putting forward has wording in it that makes it easier to invoke the 14th amendment. If a conviction does not happen then a censure like that is the next best thing.
Mc Connell could have held a trial before Trump left office . they're full of it.
Asking Republicans to come out with their own plan is just giving them license to delay forever. Just like trump's health care plan that was suppose be out in 2017.
It'll be ready in two weeks!
We have to prevent him from running for office again. We assume he would run for President but he could run for the Senate or to be a Governor.
this will be a good one guys ! I'll listen after Rachel Maddow where your friend Jen Psaki is interviewing tonite. Gosh she is good. thanks as always for keepin the discussion going and covering these important topics. "liked"
Love the title! Oh, I want to see witnesses. I’m with you on losing the impeachment again. And the value didn’t seem to be there last time but, this is a bigger deal. With great video, and most importantly, followers that are going to jail for listening to him. Lots of followers. Justice demands action.
Yup, we have a broken information system. So depressing! Thank you guys for everything you do.
The Russian roulette analogy was bang on the money
Plus the impeachment was started before that T-man left the office, if I remember correctly. So this is just a continuation of the process. So the excuse should not work🥺
Sorry that’s not how it works lol
You know what’s unconstitutional? Try to throw a coup
To paraphrase an old adage: "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" is now "Constitutionalism is the first refuge of cowards."
Well said
Tim Kaine working on a censure resolution is the most Tim Kaine thing for Tim Kaine to do sans harmonica.
I'm confused about whether plump needs to be convicted by the Senate or not to then invoke the 14th Amendment. I've heard that he does need to be convicted and the that he doesn't. Which is it? If the Senate can bar him from ever holding office without conviction, then go that route. Isn't barring him the ultimate goal?
Although the 'big kahuna' vote on whether to convict Frump was pretty much always going to fail, the impeachment trial itself (whatever the outcome) allows for the introduction of a vote on whether he should be barred from office, and that vote only requires a simple majority vote to pass.
As a cultural anthropologist, I would love to look at the maladaptive cultural phenomenon that is the GOP & their QAnon base. How have the cultural underpinnings of the oldest democracy in the world shattered in the span of about 25 years starting w/ Gingrich? I think the roots started w/ Nixon & Reagan, but this anti-democratic tendency began to truly take root w/ the mid-90s GOP & their efforts to subvert the democratic process.
Empires fall. It's what they do, with no exception. Regular sized societies too, for that matter. USA has always been an empire. I mean the continental US, before it acquired it's global influence. The size, the political, economic, cultural and geographic diversity mean it always ticked all the boxes. It tried to disintegrate once before over the issue of race. It was held together, firstly through violence, then by a compromise of allowing segregation and putting the national energy in the imperial project, be it manifest destiny, taking over chunks of the Spanish empire or finally global supremacy. With all opponents subdued and global supremacy achieved, there were no more external pressures counteracting the centrifugal forces inherent in the mainland part of the empire. And the GOP, with the recently successful legacy of southern strategy and of sabotaging the functioning and the very concept of state for the benefit of their donors, became a natural depository for those forces. The GOP's behaviour is not maladaptive. At least at a group level, some of them as individuals may suffer. They have now reached close to the fullest expression of what they are. They are likely to be successful, as they are floating with the clearly manifest current of history. This while the democrats, devoted to defunct institutions and ideas continue to handwave in hope of reversing a tide.
@@nosuchthingasshould4175 I've got to agree. At some point the USA is going to fragment because it's too big like empires of the past.
States Rights have probably kept it going but it was never going to be forever.
@@nosuchthingasshould4175 I share your cynicism to a degree. Modern imperialism is less about land acquisition than it is cultural cooptation, but destructive, none the less. Part of the problem is large societies have grown past their carrying capacity, so to speak. Homo sapiens evolved in small, communal bands where everyone knew everyone & were likely to all be related by blood or marriage. Now, we’re not likely to know the people living in our own neighborhoods. I think humanity’s true problem is finding a way to build community in large-scale societies that don’t appear to be going away, though political systems do tend to fluctuate over time. But, just because large societies historically don’t seem to have staying power, I do think democracy is worth fighting for. Of the political systems that have emerged over the centuries since plant & animal domestication began, democracy has the potential to be the most egalitarian. It’s unregulated capitalism, in my opinion, that makes democracy vulnerable. For sure, politics should not have a monetary incentive, though how we extricate them is beyond me. I certainly don’t want to surrender to a group of authoritarian fascist leaning looney toons, AKA the GOP.
Anti democratic tendency isn't hard to track if you think of the common denominator: christianity. If we ban religions like christianity, less and less people will be interested in the idea of a supreme leader that fixes everything.
@@lunaci1103 Yeah, I agree that religion is obsolete, but I doubt it would get banned, regardless of the particular myth.
unless I'm completely missing something the filibuster has got to go!
Everyone thinks that these Republicans are afraid of being primaried, but I believe that it's much more than that. I believe that they're in fear for their lives and the lives of their families.
Why not a secret ballot? Not sure why that’s not an option.
@@lcflngn I believe that Congress members have the right to poll the vote in any action. If I'm wrong on that, someone please correct me.
@@julievanosdel835 at least in the matter of impeachment, the rules require a public roll-call vote. No secret ballots are allowed.
@@andrewmastin4312 That's what I thought. Thank you.
@@julievanosdel835 thx for the info. In this case it’s unfortunate imho
Super Podcast today= Rapid Fire , riveting info, opinions, Stats and trends, lots of uplifting ideas and possible plans to improve and advance our Nation’s Governing From and By The Top; improving Americans Lives all around. Good show Guys, I Really enjoyed it, Positive Energy!!
Thanks, Susan!
Inciting inserection, and attacking the capital should be hammered home in any forum
Hi guys, as usual I really enjoyed your analysis. My wife introduced your podcast to me a while ago, and I love it! We usually listen to it together when we cook dinner.
Bon appetit!
These people proved to be dangerous but yet they allow them to be armed . How did we come to this ?
Censoring isn’t accountability.
It's "censuring", but yeah.
Love this podcast so much. Would be great to see all four of the boys together again; the dynamic between all of them is great.
I always leave here in a good mood! Great job guys!!
Happy to hear that!
First Tommy has a new background, now Dan?!
I find Dan’s background calming! He needs his window!
A gentler "welcome", thank you SO much!
Yes, do not give him the chance to run m mess w the United States ever again😡
That's exactly what dems need to do. Ask repubs what their plan is to help Americans.
If we have so much to get done why cant we Congress and the Senate to overtime
Also, the 14th Amendment says you can’t hold any office if you’ve engaged in or supported those who engaged in rebellion or insurrection. So clean house (and senate)! Seriously. Does the law mean anything at all?
All the while Trump was in office they all said once he is out of office we can hold him accountable. It was like the chorus to a song. Now starting with the Supreme Court, well he is out of office, lets move on.
If someone wants to keep the filibuster, we need to bring back the part where they actually do it! I saw one reform proposed called "Present and Voting" where to continue or stop a filibuster you needed to be present and voting. I was absolutely shocked that that was not currently a requirement. McConnell can be blocking vaccines for health care workers while he's golfing???
When is it appropriate to begin the discussion of picking off some of these more vulnerable Senators?
Today :)
I like it when these guys just let thier frustration, which is shared with so many of us paying attention, rip.
It cuts through any remaining gaslighting effects around coming from social media disinformation campaigns.
And Democrats need to go big!
And
I love your polls! Great pod, guys!
I used to think that Puerto Rico should become a state. But the Republican arguments really swayed me. So now I believe that all present states with a population smaller than Puerto Rico should be "de-certified" as states and become territories. So, sorry to see you go, but goodbye to Iowa, Nevada, Arkansas, Mississippi, Kansas, New Mexico, Nebraska, West Virginia, Idaho, Hawaii, New Hampshire, Maine, Montana, Rhode Island, Delaware, South Dakota, North Dakota, Alaska, Vermont, and Wyoming.
Hey GOP Senators, you can have Trump, or you can have integrity, but you can't have both.
The GOP has been losing hundreds of voters every day. People are waking up to the party's extremism.
Dan, I love your green childhood gobag and your champagne makeup kit. There are stories there.
There still is a value in holding a trial. Even though that orange clown doesn't get convicted in the Senate, hopefully most Americans will watch the trial and it will get everyone fired up to help Democrats flip red seats blue. Of course I absolutely want Trump impeached so he can't run again, lose his pension and presidential perks. But I believe the trial is so important.
Arrest the Democrats. Fire them all. Massive corruption belongs in Socialist countries, not the USA.
i love you guys!! Thank you!
The economist at the IMF bank said this 1.9 will grow the GDP by 5% in the next 3 years. I think that's a good thing.
As a European I just don't get how the Republicans can be so far off the mark. If I look at the opinion statistics (various moderate to progressive sources) quite a few of Republican voters want something of the stuff Biden is doing. Or at least they think it's the decent and appropriate thing to do in our times. Yet the vast majority of their representatives doesn't reflect that. Many of the European conservatives are progressive in comparison. It's easier to fight the extreme right if the right agrees to fight them, too ...
Thank you very much!
This is what I cannot understand, either. The COVID relief package is hugely popular- by supporting it the Republicans risk nothing a) they can bask in the reflected glory and b) it is budget appropriations so it can be forced through without any republican support which will reflect poorly on them. So IMHO they should be keeping their powder dry for issues like redrawing electoral boundaries, impeachment etc.
Republican politicians don’t give a fig what Republican voters think or want. They do whatever their billionaire and corporate donors want, full stop.
Omg I haven’t thought about Covefe in a really long time and I laughed so hard, thanks for the reminder that while he was evil he was also a goofy idiot, Dan. 😂
Serious question: Did you really expect any other response from the Reps? I'm just some random person, but I knew this will happen. There is no shame on their side. See senator Graham's multiple self-serving contradictions, for example.
I'm pretty much done listening to Republicans. Either they're going to say things that make no sense, or they're going to say things that make sense that make me ask "So.... why exactly are you a Republican?"
There needs to be a trial if only because evidence will be presented and witnesses heard. It all needs to be recorded--especially the senators who voted for acquittal. Let their names also be recorded for posterity.
The President’s resignation did not necessarily require dismissal of the impeachment charges. Judgment upon conviction can include disqualification as well as removal. Art. I, § 3, cl. 7. Precedent from the 1876 impeachment of Secretary of War William Belknap, who had resigned prior to his impeachment by the House, suggests that impeachment can proceed even after a resignation.
Most of them don’t even know what’s in the Constitution.
Absolutely LOVE Lovett's point about how important it is, when all is said and done, and we know WHAT would need to be sacrificed to get Republican acceptance of a bill, that MEDIA MAKE SURE the voters KNOW, that, YES, we didn't get as many votes as we would have liked from the opposition, but the PRICE of those additional votes would have been...and ENUMERATE those items!!!! The public needs to know that "bipartisan" comes with a cost...and the cost might be catastrophic for a certain portion of the public!!!!
Agreed "go big or go home" would be a well used line over here on the emerald Isle... Love your show guy's... Keep up the good work
Cant we just charge all these republicans in federal court rather than expect them to do the right thing and resign or impeach someone?
Don’t make much of an effort this first year to get republicans support on the hill. Kick their ass. Then maybe they will want to legitimately compromise.
Lets get some time plots and charts going! Good conversation
The filibuster has to go. To place the 50 judge openings, the expansion of the Supreme Court. We do need big action.
If only the senate was based on population like the house. You could have 10x the population in Los Angeles that there is in Alabama, but each state gets 2 senators. Big flaw in our system since the senate minority is screwing over our democracy
I think the original concept was that senators would be statesmanlike. Just shows how naive the founders were.
Yes! Election reform - end the electoral college, correct the ridiculous gerrymandered districting, have rules around availability of polling stations per capita and per district, firm up rules around impeachment & trial, create term limits for Senators and SCOTUS. Enough is enough.
Not a flaw in the system. It worked fine at the inception of the nation. It's just since been abused.
We don't need a Senate. That's the dirty secret.
Please start talking about Secretaries of State elections in 2022. There are 26, including most swing states. It is in some ways more important than the 2024 election itself.
Another great show.👍😬😄😃😀😁
Gotta get the rest of these pods on youtube.
Do you two really think we’ve forgotten?I assure you we have not!!! Senators & Legislators are playing ,we are not !!!!None of them are speaking for us AT ALL !!!
But the act happened while Trump was in office! We all heard what he said! --Bonnie Robinson
I agree with Dan, The American people as a whole are suffering right now, some of us more than others and relief would be welcome no matter where you are on the political spectrum. I'm not surprised Biden's covid relief plan or raising the minimum wage is popular. The republicans currently in office need to wake up and realize their constituents are hurting as well.
Am I the only one that loves how often Jon fidgets with his earbuds?
No, I don't want censure, a mere slap on the wrist. I want the trial. We need to have it on record for the history books all the craven Republican Senators' names who voted to acquit a criminal president. Their great-grandchildren will read the historical accounts and hang their heads in shame.
Best podcast Ever👏👏👏👍
Wow, thanks!
Do the trial and show how horrific the Republicans are..push it HARD!!!!!
The vote was just "whether to debate now or table " Please get this right, it matters.
Sirs, with great respect, I believe it is useful when interpreting the Republican Party, to study patterns of behavior of perpetrators of domestic violence and the family dynamics thereof. Because, when you argue on the the assumption that the perp's behaviors or words have to do with anything but *power and control*, you are falling into the perp's webs. One needs to keep bringing the conversation to: "you did this in the service of sustaining your sense of power/control. Your words are merely a manipulation to incite strong emotion. Let's get back to... [addressing the needs of the citizens of the country; everything else is a manipulative distraction]"
Deliver on promises, win - fail, lose. That is it.
They care nothing for JUSTICE.
Is that so-called constitutional scholar, Johnathan Turley involved with the case? Has he weighed in, yet? Lol!
HEY! Apparently, we the people let DC know that we just LOVE a bully. So, the DEMS need to take off their fancy shoes, roll up their sleeves, talk real fast and do a little bullying, ourselves. Good God, haven't they learned that yet?
I think that it’s imperative to get all the insurrectionist on the record about what they did. Democrats need to be sure that Independents clearly understand what happens, especially because people died in this. A lot of Independents I know aren’t sure what happened, and the impeachment will focus the arguments for the 2022 elections.
I keep trying to keep my comments respectful, not happening. Everything that you two have been talking about also echoes loudly in my head. So drowning out the insanity is getting harder and harder, going insane is a valid option. Might I make a suggestion , why don't we get help from people who both understand the insanity and speak their language. How about getting help from the Lincoln Project?
The insanity of the Democrats is to keep trying the same things over and over expecting different results. What do you think?
Republicans refuse to compromise!!!
@@slianyong7550 my point exactly.
After I made this comment I watched the latest video of the Lincoln Project, OMG, they are just as frustrated as We are.
Also: Finally Dems will move on without Republicans. I think that the Republicans strategy is to keep us frustrated by their insanity, their gibberish, what about bs. We are so wrapped up in this crap , there IS no sense to be made of any of it. When we clearly understand this we can move on.
@@iamthepantaloon2913 yes, my normally depressed state is agitated with the current (hah! more like 40yrs) conflict. But, the audacity that President Obama was black seems to have reared the heads of ugly imperial entitlements. Their "How dare he get above his station!" makes me want to puke. Because, yes _some_ of 45's followers don't have access to private jets. But those that do? Pfft.... I can't even express my anger.
The light green suitcase is very attractive.
The President’s resignation did not necessarily require dismissal of the impeachment charges. Judgment upon conviction can include disqualification as well as removal. Art. I, § 3, cl. 7. Precedent from the 1876 impeachment of Secretary of War William Belknap, who had resigned prior to his impeachment by the House, suggests that impeachment can proceed even after a resignation. See 3 HINDS ’ PRECEDENTS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, § 2445 (1907). The Belknap precedent may be somewhat weakened, however, by the fact that his acquittal was based in part on the views of some Senators that impeachment should not be applied to someone no longer in office, id. at § 2467, although the Senate had earlier rejected (by majority vote of 37-29) a resolution disclaiming jurisdiction, and had adopted by vote of 35-22 a resolution affirming that result See id. at § 2007 for an extensive summary of the Senate’s consideration of the issue. See also id, § 2317 (it had been conceded during the 1797 proceedings against Senator William Blount, who had been sequestered from his seat in the Senate, that an impeached officer could not escape punishment by resignation).
That poll basically polled Bernie's platform since 2016. We could have avoided a lot of this if the Democrats had just stayed out of it in the first place
They just do not want to lose his supporters. That's the only thing I can think it could be.
Does the Senate have to convict first, in order to vote on barring T from holding office in future?
Amazing to see that. Compromising works sometimes . . . . . We need a new party . . . . .
That Times Editorial was a f-ing joke, yall are right.
It has become a RWNJ tabloid. I would line my compost bin with it before I read a word.
You guys haven't thought about if he is convicted of a federal crime between now and then.
Joe danero Yes, no-one it seems to me is acknowledging that he will be tied up in courts for a very long time.
I agree that the trial is un-constitutional and a waste of time - let's go straight to Federal felony indictment.