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Biden Holds Major Press Conference as More Democrats Urge Him to Step Aside
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ส.ค. 2024
- Jon and Dan break down Joe Biden’s big press conference, whether he did enough to calm nervous Democrats, and whether he’s making a sharp enough case against Donald Trump-or for himself-to move the numbers and create a plausible path to victory. Plus, the latest signals from the campaign about what its strategy will be going forward, and how the Trump veepstakes is playing out with only days left to go.
CHAPTERS
0:00 - Intro
0:23 - Reaction to Biden’s Press Conference
11:46 - Democrats call for Biden to step aside
30:52 - Ad break
34:07 - Biden's path to victory
49:59 - Trump's VP
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The number of people voting for Trump is not going to change. What will change is the number of people who stay home and don’t vote blue because they don’t think either candidate should be president.
You stay home??!? Then, you’re effectively voting for Trump! Biden has a good VP!! If he needs to step down…in the next 4 years, we have Kamala Harris.
However you look at it…………..if Trump wins……we become Project 2025 and Trump is Dictator on Day 1!!!
Do you want that!!!?! I don’t!!! So….vote for Biden and Democracy!!!
Geez people!!! Biden cannot drop out this close to the Election!!!
I’m currently one of them. Registered Democrat in Pima County, Arizona. There’s no chance I’m voting for Biden in his condition anymore. I need a different option from the DNC. And if I don’t get one then I’m just staying home , depressed, waiting for the apocalypse.
what this person said is correct 👆
@@Ayyy_its_Wally 🙋
true. living in the UK even though Labour won, their vote share was down. the margins are low in the US and voters will just stay home and not vote for Biden. they will turn out for Trump. the damage is done. Biden thinks he can win but the longer this goes on voters will look at him and not think he is going to last 4 years. He should step down and let Harris run. she has a message and vision for the future and will get out the vote. she could do two terms.
As a regular listener to PSA, it is ABSURD to think that you guys are somehow anti-Biden. Totally absurd.
Thank you, I’ve been silent screaming the same thing whenever I read the comments. Makes me question whether some of these commenters might play for the other team, (or at least for team Algorithm Antagonist.)
@@janethompson2396
It's not the algorithm.
It's the disappointing lack of 'taking the fight to DonaldTrumplies' when the going gets tough.
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Noted Presidential historian, Allan Lichtman, says Biden bowing out would be catastrophic.
He's correctly forecast the last 10 elections.
If it's catastrophic for the campaign, it's armageddon for American 🇺🇸 democracy.
America needs wisdom and we have that in President Joe Biden.
He needs to be strongly supported.
The RepublicansMAGAs and Mainstream media did the same thing to Hilary & look how that turned out when people believed MAGA's media blitz.
They're not anti-Biden, they're anti-Trump, and concerned about Biden's declining support in the polls, and the prospect of Trump being re-elected.
@@JeffArchuleta The polls are not to be trusted. The only thing consistent about them is the amount of stomach acid they generate.
@@janethompson2396 You realise how similar to Trump supporters comments like yours are reading as? Ignoring the problem instead of brainstorming a solution, ignoring reality and gaslighting people that they didn't see what they saw, is what is actually absurd.
I got a bit teary-eyed listening to Dan talk about his personal feelings on Biden and the absurdity of painting them as having animous towards him. Thank you guys for speaking things as you see them and providing a rational, thoughtful voice throughout this painful process.
My biggest gripe are elected officials saying one thing in private and then putting out public statements that pretty much says nothing
As a voter with a father who has the same problems as Biden, I’m waiting for SOMEONE to quit rationalizing this decline and SCREAM, “It’s not going to get better! It gets WORSE!” Wake up to reality, friends.
So how do you feel about Harris taking over the Presidency, say, tomorrow? Or do you want this guy who you say is declining fast to remain President until January?
Thank you for sharing. Sorry about your father.
Remember, everyone isn't him.
America needs wisdom and we have that in President Joe Biden.
He needs to be strongly supported.
These are the voices that loss Hilary Clinton her race.
Good people, please, let Joe Biden be Joe Biden ❤
For what reason would we adamantly insist 🤔 that he undertakes a gruelling schedule?
🤔 Or, increase his hours?
🤔 Or, abandon teleprompters?
This is gas-lighting - RepublicansMAGAs talking points.
President Biden has done more for *this* *country,* more *globally,* more *for* *democracy* than Donald Trumplies did riding around on his golf cart for huge swathes of his time in the White House.
Where are the *surrogates* stepping with an aggressive, rigorous presence in the swing States.
The RepublicansMAGAs and Mainstream media did the same thing to Hilary & look how that turned out when people believed MAGA's media blitz.
Are u a doctor?
Ok...I'm Voting Blue 2024! 😂
You are not a doctor. You are a republican. Get on the right side of history! Lolz
We don’t need Biden to succeed. We need democracy and the Democratic Party to succeed. He needs to be a grownup here. I am so sick of being asked to crawl over broken glass to do my part to fix democracy. When does the leader of the party get on board with the rest of us?
Go listen to political historians instead of these two morons
@@paiges1262 No one is asked to ‘crawl over broken glass’. Showing up to vote in a presidential election is not a big sacrifice. It is clear what a Democratic administration will do and stand for; it is clear what a Republican administration will do and stand for. Voters have to make a choice - a clear one in my opinion, but a choice.
He’s made the decision. Live with it.
@@gabrielmcgaha2379 I disagree with the decision, and the only thing I can and will do is stay home in November. This means that besides not voting for Biden i will also not vote in the Senate and House races. Any other candidate besides Biden and I would vote blue down ballot
@@belgianbull4722 - Sorry you didn’t get your way this time. Good luck with that.
Bill Clinton got defensive. Nixon got defensive. Trump got defensive. And now Biden.
Turns out, Biden’s a narcissist too. 😂
I'm of two minds on this entire clusterfuck right now.
First mind is that it feels really fucking hurtful that the left in general can't have a conversation of "Hey... Maybe we should explore our options before just falling in line." without getting accused of wanting Trump to win.
Second mind is we absolutely need to get our shit together and get it together really fucking soon if we stand any chance of not having 4 years of chaos.
Is Biden perfect? No. Is Kamala perfect? No. Is any {insert whatever fucking name you want here} perfect? No. Are we going to have perfection, no, and we need to stop acting like it and just fucking get it together already.
We don't need perfect. We need someone who can definitively beat Trump. And Biden has had more than a year to pull ahead and instead he is losing.
If you look at the British election that just happened, Labour's number one focus was finding a leader who was electable. Kier Starmer absolutely isn't perfect but he was perfectly blandly electable and that's how they were able to get the conservatives out of power.
I am not looking for perfect; i am looking for someone who is mentally fit, and someone who wont rubber stamp anything and everything Israel does. There are tons of people in the democratic party who can meet these requirements. Harris, Beshear, Whitmer,... anyone besides Biden
@@belgianbull4722 yeah but, can any of those people that you mentioned BEAT TRUMP, because that's what we're really talking about here.
@@belgianbull4722 Do you really think that Biden, with his grasp on foreign policy, would just simplistically go along with someone like Netanyahu? He was doing a balancing act, getting the rest of the middle east to support the Palestinians while preventing another war with the entire region. Netanyahu had very little reason to listen to him when he knew that Trump would get him whatever he wanted. Still, he managed to broker a cease fire that got accepted by the UN and both parties. Now he's working to make sure it happens. That's a huge part of why he thinks he's the best one to keep being President because it's a delicate time and he's REALLY GOOD at this shit.
We Grade Biden on such a curve at this point...I think a lot of Dems have a hard time understanding what swing voters are seeing.
Most of the online support for Biden is coming from MAGA supporters. IMO
I understand your frustration, and I feel the same way! But we have options and Biden staying in will effectively hand the election over to Trump.
"swing voter" here. or at least someone who sometimes votes dem and more often doesn't vote at all. I won't vote for biden. Sorry, just not happening. Run someone else. Preferably not Harris but I'd probably wind up voting for her begrudgingly, to be honest.
Swing voters? People want to vote for a corpse before Trump. This is one big reason why Joe can win.
@@ridleyramos7657only because you and people like you think so.
The chief concern I have right now is if Biden will be able to garner enough support to drive voter turnout against Trump. I totally agree with Jon's point that he just isnt able to make a strong case for himself anymore. His verbal misteps are far too noticeable and its not inspiring much confidence when you have an 81 year old man struggling to speak clearly and hes got another 4 years ahead of him. I personally dont care because I think Bidens a decent guy, hes done a lot for the country in his 4 years, and I trust he has a strong administration. I know that the other choice is far worse. But half the country doesn't pay as close attention to politics. I dont see the issue with Biden bowing out and him and the democratic party nominate another strong candidate to put all their support behind them. I think its important to show unity and have a clear message. For Gods sake we have so much ammunition against Trump but our weapons feel broken. Abortion rights, project 2025, future SCOTUS rulings and possible restructuring of the court overall. TRUMP IS A CONVICTED FELON! Also working towards strengthening the middle class and working towards affordable healthcare. Actual popular policy. Its just insane to me that we are so distracted by Biden's age right now that we cant make these super CLEAR arguments against a second Trump term. Its soul crushing.
Omg! I’m still riding with Biden!
Me too. What else is there for us to do, really? SMH.
Are you on your 8th or 9th booster?
A real hero would put country ahead of ego. Be a hero Joe.
It’s not even a sacrifice to his legacy. He would be the new Washington!
it feels like a lot of young people feel hopeless about the whole process because theyre choosing between a douchebag and a corpse. They arent going to go to the vote at all. Putting someone else against trump will 100% help remove the apathy / hopelessness felt by younger voters.
Are you a gen z? Would you vote if you knew that Biden would scrap the cap on Social Security, make it solvent for 75 years and raise the benefits? That would positively effect Gen Z and current baby boomers living on $1500 a month. Gen Z can't afford to save for retirement. Lmk if this would motivate you.
@@joanturri5500 no I’m not genz. im not ever voting for someone who is enabling genocide. Hope this helps.
Agree. A lot of voters don't think that Trump is that bad because of his last administration but they think Biden is just too old and he is. He has to step down now and let Harris run. She will bring new energy and a reason to vote for her vision.
I completely agree it's absolutely necessary
For three elections the democratic party has given me nothing to vote "for" only against Trump. The DNCs platform is just the Obama administration status quo.
I’ll vote for him if I’m forced to by a sclerotic Democratic establishment.
Can’t believe we’re going to sacrifice our democracy on the alter of one elderly man’s ego.
I will too. They need more than just Democrats to think that though, and at this rate it is impossible. Can't shame everyone
@@keff5984Agreed. People will stay home like the election was Covid.
not me. I'm done. If elected democrats don't care enough about america and her people to do the right thing then the party shouldn't even exist
Bingo. This is ridiculous and frankly maddening
@@colormebrave2231 You DO realize that anything that affect America affects YOU. And it's going to be FAR worse than you realize.
This kind of BS on falling into line and pulling the Pod team into a conspiracy is why I'm no longer part of the Democratic party. I'm now independent but lean Dem for votes. There is Harris, Witmer, , Newsom - a stable of great possible candidates to savor over and we're all told to STFU. Keep speaking up, guys. You're my lifeline.
It kinda sounds to me like the mutineers are winning and Democrats are shifting towards replacing Biden. I'd put my money on Harris being the nominee.
Totally agree. You really layed it out well!
As a Michigander, I really don't understand why Whitmer is so popular.
Whitmer ran against a woman in 2022 named Tudor Dixon who's views are as redneck as her name sounds. Glad she beat her but Flint still has no water, the roads are all falling apart, if you are a person on medicaid and you live in the upper peninsula you have to be able to drive 4 hours one way just to go to the dentist. Living anywhere further north than the middle of the mitten as they say, you might as well not even be part of America anymore.
I dont know if Gretchen has ever even been to the upper peninsula of her own state and based off the Trump signs in EVERYONES front yard, it shows.
Doesn't it make more sense for Biden to wait until Trump names his VP? From a strategic point of view.
Can you imagine Trump understanding the complexities of foreign policy? No!
And that’s why I’m voting for Biden!
I hate Trump , but I will say that at least he never gave another country permission to fire US missiles into Russia
Ugh he already has.for four years.we had peace and prosperity.ARE YOU ON DRUGS?
I'm guessing Kamala could explain the complexities of foreign policy???
@@hermixtonen If you ‘hate’ Trump, why go out of your way to defend him?
@@hermixtonen Because Trump loves Putin and wants to build a hotel in Moscow.
Thank you for continuing to not gaslight us. You know, us lifelong democrats who are now “traitors” because we refuse to say we aren’t seeing what we’re seeing and hearing what we’re hearing
The entire leftist media, “okay, we have been gaslighting you, but it isn’t our fault, and now we will stop.”
Biden is not stepping aside.
The good news is that Trump and the Republicans will win big and implement Project 2025
A person may decline in superficial communication but be strong in their job. Whomever you choose to replace Biden would not have his wisdom and expertise. If you want a slick person with a quick mind you might be sorry.
Kamala is there in an emergency anyway. At least you’re taking up oxygen from Trump.
@@josieb3238You're delusional. None of that matters if he doesn't win.
I feel like they're getting a little bit gaslighty, just in the fact they're saying his performance was "reassuring" of his ability to serve as president. I mean, I thought it was another pretty clear example of his mental decline, especially once he had to go off his teleprompter and take questions, but I guess I really can't believe my lying eyes
I received a call asking me if I would vote for Kamala Harris. I replied “yes”. I’m a Dem through and through. If President Biden isn’t going to run, I would definitely vote for Kamala!
It seemed like Biden was some better but maybe I'm grading on a curve too. Every time he steps in front of a microphone I'm just waiting for him to face plant. Instead of making me confident in his abilities, I'm just anxious. He just needs to step aside for the good of the party & nation.
You’ve been gaslighted. Stop regurgitating Kremlin propaganda 🙄🤡 You people is exactly what Putin is banking on to elect tRump again. You’re proud of participating in the downfall of your democracy and into fascism? 🙄🤦🏼♂️
The cope of the Biden campaign and Biden himself looks desperate and pathetic at this point tbh...
The bots & disinformation are worse actually gfy
It seems to me that choosing a candidate at the Convention could have enough drama to energize voters. NOBODY wants to see a rematch of the last election.
The issue is that anyone other than Harris isn't even oked to be on the ballot in any states and most of them you can't fill out the forms and have it done now, they needed to be filled out filled and oked by the states months ago
@@TheEvolver311 Biden isn't even on the ballot yet. Nor is Trump. That won't happen until after the convention.
The convention is meaningless. The DNC screwed up and picked a convention date after the filing deadlines in Ohio and Alabama. Therefore, the plan was to hold a delegate vote virtually before the convention so B/H would be on ballots in Ohio and Alabama. Alabama modified theirs but Ohio has not so the delegates have to vote by August 7th. The convention is August 19th. Dementia Joe is going to keep pushing back and then on August 8th say, 'Well, too late to back out now, suckers.'
Sure but this nonsense burying donalds child rape story has gone too far.
Yeah just dont vote for TRUMP or itll get way worse way quicker than Biden
Trump did not say anything that was true in the debate. He just could tell lies very well.
💯💯
Noted Presidential historian, Allan Lichtman, says Biden bowing out would be catastrophic.
He's correctly forecast the last 10 elections.
If it's catastrophic for the campaign, it's armageddon for American 🇺🇸 democracy.
And that could have been - and should have been - much more of the conversation and coverage that I wish we'd seen.
The dude had an hour to himself on all the networks in prime time. An absolute gift. He should have turned every answer into a message about why people should vote for him and not trump.
This is basic politics.
I can’t believe that he failed to do that.
I remember having to have the conversations with my elderly father for 3 years before he died that he could no longer drive the car and we had to take the car keys away. And he was stubborn about it, he didn't want one of the last bastions of independence taken away from him. That is what we have here.
A president doesn't have to drive anywhere.
Except the “car” here is the presidency of a major world superpower
@@tamelodon’t think quite so literally…
@@tamelo Its a metaphor. He is too old and infirm to handle the responsibilities of president.
@@tamelo even if he doesn't would you let Biden drive you or your kids? Hell no
I am a pastor. I preach ever Sunday and have for 25 years. Throughout the years I have made mistakes emphatically! Extemporaneous preacher do. It’s why you watch your audience. They clue you in. I once called the Amtrak train the Amway train THREE times. On the third time there was so much laughter that I said “okay, what’s up?” And was told. We all howled.
My brain is fine. We just get ahead sometimes.
I agree. These are common speech flops. And when the demand is, you flop, you clearly have dementia or Parkinson’s b/c your older is just ageism, in my opinion. The lack of appreciation for Biden due to his age just feels wrong. These are literally beauty pageant standards.
Did you freeze at the altar? Did you wander off and talk to people who were dead? Are you responsible for the democracy of 320 million people? This is NOT about a stutter or misspeaking. Wake up. The gaslighting isn't working any more.
As an independent and Trump voter in 2016 I'll say that seeing Biden in the spotlight during the last two weeks and actually talking about his policies after the debate has actually swayed me more in his direction if he decides to still run. Especially after last night's press conference.
Noted Presidential historian, Allan Lichtman, says Biden bowing out would be catastrophic.
He's correctly forecast the last 10 elections.
If it's catastrophic for the campaign, it's armageddon for American 🇺🇸 democracy.
@@Madfunkids I'm not a keymaxer myself but if Biden does win I will be!
Sure, Jan.
I hate how we have to always be nuanced and complicated, when the other side just gets to shout "Fuck yeah! He's my guy!"
You’re totally right. The other day Congressman Himes was saying we need an Olympic-level candidate. That’s why democrats lose these elections. Winning is never enough.
One of the defining differences between more progressive and more conservative people is that conservatives are more aligned with “human nature” (xenophobia, hierarchy/authoritarianism, disgust, and other characteristics that evolved a long time ago) whereas progressives tend to value ideas that supposedly elevate humanity and allow us to make progress in our societies. Ds cant do what maga Rs do because the maga Rs’ way of thinking necessarily leads to fascism
Sorry, it’s not fair, but that’s the reality. Democrats are sane people battling a full-blown cult.
Yeah, how terrible would it be to have a smart, nuanced candidate who can actually govern?
I just want to yell “f***yeah!”
@@joshuasheffield7334 - well, if the corporate machine would put up a real candidate, we would be able to yell "fuck yeah!". Instead we get corporate Dems, who sometimes seem left, but more often than not drift to the center.
I watched the debate in full and sent a text to my brother and friend that said "Yeah, boys, we might be cooked". When I saw reporting that biden had a cold, I thought is was bs. So I watched the rally he gave the next day and he seemed far better than debate night and I've been watching him since because if he says he is staying in then he is going to need some help to win. I watched the press conference last night from start to finish. I thought it didn't start well but once it got going I thought it was going well in the sense of, now I'm watching what a normal back and forth Q&A with the press looks like. It seemed like Biden clearly knew his stuff and is what I imagine he looks like in those meeting that the adminstration has talked about with him being focused and on top the issue at hand. I think he could talk about policy all day long. Personally I think if Biden stays in the race that he can win the election but its going to take everyone coming together to get it done. Since Biden is having some trouble communicating, let Kamala handle the press to get their message across and Biden can keep doing events and talking to voters. But president Biden will need to get the rest of the democrats on board and I think they will if he stays.
I'd like to add since I wasn't far enough in the episode to hear it when I initially commented. President Biden does not need to be attacking democrats right now elites or not. I also don't think democrats calling for him to step down is helpful but I can understand it and I think the discussion is warranted. President Biden needs to talk to these people directly.
@@CaptDnaDonut I think some REAL journalist should be asking where those doubting Dems loyalties lie. IF the majority of their constituents are expressing doubts over Biden, then they should be conveying that. IF their lobbyists and donors are "concerned"....who are those lobbyists and donors???????
@MichaelLochlann I personally don't focus much on that (probably because I have my own speech problems). I wanted to know if he can continue to do the job and personally I think he can. Watching that debate, it was clear to me that Joe Biden was trying to recall way too much information and couldn't get it out. I think the press conference went fine. It seemed like a normal press conference and it showed me that he has a grasp on the issues. But to turn this campaign around he is going to need help as I mentioned already.
@@sammonicuslux I don't think people are wrong for being concerned. Regular people were concerned before the debate and a lot of voters are concerned after it. They can't fix that. They need to acknowledge it and move on to letting people know whats at stake and what they plan on doing for them in the future.
One question could Joe win and then step down handing the USA its first woman President ? What a legacy that could be ! No one has mentioned that , I think a lot of undecided voters or those that have already decided to vote for Biden instead of trump will not vote for a woman .. any woman .. but if Joe can win and then steps down she gets the job !
Yeah, they just want to kick out our most successful President. Why not leave him in and Harris is his VP if he cannot do “the job”. But, they just want him gone b/c they cannot have any faith and are terrified of Dem party losing. Sounding like other countries. Clearly there is a blue wave in UK, France…🤷♀️
Addendum: I just watched Ron Klain on Morning Joe this morning. Ohhhhhh Myyyyyyy Godddddddddd.........
Ron looks terrible. Absolutely terrible. He just kept reciting campaign talking points like a robot. Voice sounds like anxiety levels are high. ..The general look on his face........ I am almost positive he knows Biden is going to lose.
I just saw Ron less than a year ago....and this is a BIG change.
Again, the vibe I got was......the writing likely on the wall. (me screams)
Another Addendum: The Biden campaign is in total denial. EVEN RACHEL MADDOW said, "Biden is loosing this race right now."
You say, "Looks like Biden is not doing well with Latinos." (All polls). They say, "No, we have a ton of support and you're an idiot and love Trump."
You say, "Looks like you are having problems with young voters compared to 2020." They say, "No, we've been all over the country and the excitement for Joe Biden is palpable among all the young people we see. You're an idiot and you want Trump to win for just asking that."
A TIED National Poll races is NOT Biden winning...........even a Biden +4 race does not mean he will win!!!!!
On Election Night, the Democrat needs to be 4% higher than the Republican in the national popular vote in order to be competitive for the electoral college. To determine if Biden is leading adequately in a national poll, add 4% to the Margin of Error and this how much Biden needs to be leading Trump by in said poll. (In 2020, Biden was always leading Trump nationally --outside the margin of error.)
So..........back to the National Popular Vote:
In 2000, 0.5% was NOT enough for Gore.
In 2016, 2% was NOT enough for Clinton.
In 2020, 4% was ALMOST NOT enough for Biden.
Wake up, people.
Not to mention that if the Democrats fail to win by a landslide Trump and the Republicans won’t accept it especially if it’s Biden and then things after the election could be worse than they were in 2020.
Put up or shut up. He makes gaffes but gets shit done. Him or Kamala are a team. He goes down she steps up.
What does Joe Biden stand for? What is the message to vote for him besides “he’s not Trump.” Explain it. Anyone. What is his message for Biden’s America
How is he going to make it so millennials can afford a house? How is he going to help the economy in a TANGIBLE way that means more money in our pockets and not to FUNDING PROXY WARS.
This!
Agree completely 👍
She's awful and will still lose to Trump.
Per Jon Favreau, the issue with Biden seems to be not so much cognition, as failing to properly frame the choice between himself and Trump. If he keeps going to his record, he makes it too much about himself, when American voters have a pattern of ending up being reasonably clear headed about an incumbent's record (see the Allan Lichtman model if you doubt me), and what he really should be doing is making it a referendum on the extreme plans for the country that Trump and Trump allies have and Trump's insanity as a person.
Maybe if everybody stopped fainting every time he stumbles over a word -something he has been doing for decades - he would be able to do so instead of wasting time proving that his brain is still very functional even though he walks slow and is old.
BIDEN was A DEFENSE LAWYER: HARRIS was A PROSECUTOR LAWYER!
As a lifelong Democrat, it pains me to see Biden running again. There are many highly qualified persons out there. DROP OUT, JOE!!!
It's not tough, he needs to step down. That man does not give me confidence of leading the country today, tomorrow much less for the next four years. You are all cracked if you think he can. Sounds like we are more like the republican party than we like to think. Term and age limits for ALL political positions.
And replace him with who? Unfortunately this country is not for an African American president. Now if Biden becomes unable to hold office, we still have a "Biden/Harris" administration. We HAVE send a message to Trump and his MAGA idiots. No one is promised tomorrow but we can't let Project 2025 "spoil the blood of this country"
The most successful President since FDR needs to step down. This panic is downright stupid and embarrassing. I guess all those seniors who have their insulin capped at $35 have no confidence in him. The 5M people whose student loans have been forgiven have no confidence. The people getting those 15M jobs have no confidence.
And here's some food for thought. A key swing states where Trump is running unopposed. That would happen if one of your fantasy football candidates is selected to be the nominee over Biden. Republicans in multiple states sue and take their case to the Supreme Court. Easy to see how that will turn out.
This whole debacle reminds me of the George Carlin bit where he says, “Our politicians are selected, not elected…we only get to elect who is selected”. I paraphrase but..:( Like they didn’t know this about Biden 4 years ago. Yeah right. We all knew!!!
Biden knew this 4 years ago, that's why he said he'd be a bridge candidate to a new generation and that he would be a 1-term president.
We all knew that he wasn't quite the Biden who beat the brakes off of Paul Ryan in 2012, and I personally thought there was no way he was going to run in 2020 because he was not just old but retired. We also knew that his schedule was being managed to allow for the fact he couldn't be out there front facing all the time. We didn't know that it could look as bad as it did at the debate. I honestly think he's fine right now for doing the actual job of governing with his team until January. I don't know about finishing the next term or getting enough people to vote for the Biden / Harris ticket again for that to matter.
Trump is hated so much because he's fighting that machine. He destroyed the old GOP and is way more pro-American than you think. He's also the one that has moderated GOP's social positions, he is pro gay marriage and moderate on abortion.
@@stevegeorge6880 Such a drama queen. Are you always regurgitating Kremlin propaganda, or just when it comes to Biden? You’ve been brainwashed, go educate yourself FFS! 🤦🏼♂️
Unfortunately in this case our politicians are selected by themselves. Its asinine that an incumbent president is also the leader of the party and gets to choose who the next leader of the party is, AND that no one can take that decision away if he’s no longer fit to make it. No organization runs like this, companies & orgs that have a president also have a board that can replace their Prez if need be. Oh look, incumbent presidents always choose themselves, what a surprise.
I am scared that we will get Trump in November and live Handmade's tale and Project 2025 and it keeps me up at night. Someone needs to sit president down and tell him the ugly truth. He can be the best president of our lifetime or go down in history as the guy whose ego end the America and our democracy
Same. Biden will go from revered to reviled if he doesn't step down quickly. Beating Trump is FAR more important than Biden's ego.
I've been a lot on social media the past week. It's a huge and furious festival of missing the point - as if this all about whether you are "loyal to Joe" - or not. Trump is not in any way comparable, and that IS the point. He's an adversary who plays his own game by his own rules and he's good at only one thing, literally one thing: pulling focus. Unless you get someone up against him who can swipe him off at the knees every time he lies, he's going to win. Not you are going to lose - he's going to win. Because people like the lies. They really do. I've seen and heard that - at length - and it's a distressing reflection on human intelligence. But so, right now, is the "we love Joe and we hate you" balderdash.
LOL! Sweep the knee - that's exactly what we need to do with DJT.
I would have so much more respect for Biden if he would actually engage honestly and with good faith on the age issue but all he does is bluff with toxic confidence, thinking that he's Batman. Its very disappointing and disturbing to see him desperately cling to power when he would be so much more respected if he would gracefully step down and hand it over to the younger generation - which is what he was supposed to do in the first place.
Thank you! He told all of us that he was running for ONE term and then passing the torch. That was until he and his family got a taste of that level of power. He MUST step down or be forced to step down. If not, he will not only lose spectacularly but also lose the House and Senate. We will all be firmly in the midst of Project 2025 and Biden and his sycophants will all be to blame!!!
👍🏼yes
As I’ve seen so many people comment, with Biden now it feels like Ruth Bader Ginsburg all over again when she couldn’t be persuaded that if she stayed on the Supreme Court, Obama would loose the opportunity to appoint a liberal judge, and if the court became more conservative because Trump got to pick a judge it could ruin her legacy. And as bad as that outcome proved to be, Trump winning and implementing even a small part of Project 2025 could be devastating.
Victor Orbond yesterday went from a meeting in Russia to Florida to meet with Trump!! And this is what you think is the top news!!!! WTHoly F
Victor Orban. But yes. Trump is making plans with the world's dictators and autocrats to undo everything that has ever made America strong.
Your comment illustrates why this IS the top news, lol. Biden's ability to win is so imperative precisely because the alternative is absolute despotism.
BECAUSE: Low-info swing voters don't care. Low info voters aren't who tune into this podcast.
I know! it's effing maddening.
It's hard for any story to overcome that time the president wandered out on stage like a lost dementia patient.
It is comically late to be having this discussion now about Biden's age. Four years ago, when I was campaigning for Warren and ultimately voted for Sanders, would have been a good time to go "Hmm, Biden is old *now*...I wonder if he'll be even older four years from now?" But nooooo, you all wanted Biden so bad, and here we are. So now it's time to put your big boy pants back on and go back out there and push hard for the same guy you wanted then, because now he's all that stands between us and the living nightmare that is trump.
Exactly, and they'll force Kamala on everyone once they force Joe out. The Democratic party has a problem with picking their favorites despite public sentiment.
They were so desperate to beat Bernie that they put all their eggs in Bidens basket despite obvious signs of slowing down. Now these same morons like James Carville are panicking. Would be funny if the situation weren’t so horrifying.
Bernie is a year older than Biden and Warren not much younger. What’s different about Biden? Could it be his stutter? 🤔
I couldn't agree more, especially with Warren.
@@fiveadaybluewave Uh, Biden’s brain is impaired, with a poor prognosis, whereas Bernie has a full set of marbles. I haven’t heard that Warren is going senile, either. But Biden sure is. One of the symptoms is his denial! He has lucid moments, sure, but they will get less frequent as time goes on. We sorely need a president who can recognize and live in reality.
I had so much admiration for the former Obama aides for so long. But that's gone now since the debate and their wrong reaction. All they, some Dem politicians, the donor class, and the corporate media - seem to want to do is to continue the discussion as if there were something to discuss. The truth is that the vast majority of people who want to keep "discussing" this are white men. Some are uncomfortable for the first time in their lives, and/or perhaps some are longing to regain the relevance of their glory days. So they want to cut and run or talk, talk, talk, talk, talk about it. Most of the rest of us - black, brown, and women of all stripes - want to move forward with the candidate we voted for in the primaries. And we think all the discussing actually hurts us not them; because they will experience the better outcomes like they always do. So as one of the latter group who fights everyday to defeat the fascists, I say let's circle the wagons and support the man we voted for - Joe Biden. I say this as a black woman knowing full well that these white males probably won't listen; because they falsely believe they have agency over us and know better than we do. But they do not. They won't listen to the Congressional Black Caucus. They won't listen to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. And they certainly won't listen to the millions of us - 14M to be exact - who voted in the primaries. So, I decided to ignore these guys and focus my ire on Project 2025. Moving on and ridin' with Biden.
You are 100% correct with this post. I couldn't agree more. 👍
I appreciate the stance you’re taking, basing your public statements on honesty & acceptance of facts, & highlighting the importance of being able to have an open, honest discussion. Hugely important to act democratically if you want to preserve democracy.
They are not analysing fairly. They are not holding Trump to the same standards that Clinton was held to and Biden is being held to.
You are so wrong. Voters have been watching Biden for a long time now. I know of 2 republicans that voted for Trump in 2016, didn’t vote in 2020 and are voting for Biden in 2024. Biden reminded us what some of the presidential duties are. Imagine Trump with his word salads trying to deal with foreign leaders.
I call balogna. Nobody decides to not vote for Joe Biden in 2020 and decide he’s a better candidate now then he was in 2020. Sorry, but if you’re gonna lie it’s gotta be more believable.
You 100% just made that up. Lmao Democrats are down BAD. 😂😂😂😂😂
There’s no way you just made up this fake scenario to make yourself feel better. Oi vey…
Joe will lose. He needs to step down. NOW!
Exactly bro. Biden Does know what he is doing, 30 years in senate, chair of foreign relations, vp for 8 years and president for almost 4. The alternatives are as green as can be.
Get the f on board with Biden already. I trust the governors more than some congressional back benchers. If trump wins the representatives will be able to make big names for themselves opposing trump in congress just like last time, and it will be the blue state governors who will be hurt the most just like last time. So if they say Biden's their man then I'm with him too.
OMG! His record is what matters. It is historic. I'm beginning to despair of a lot of people today. They clearly have no clue whatsoever what Biden is doing.
Can you even list his many accomplishments? If he didn't have any, you'd be harping on that! But he has historic accomplishments, and you act like it's tepid and you're put out that he mentions it.
I'm going to give you some history that Biden has lived, and that I have, too. The New Deal under FDR was the most egalitarian era in US history. Prior to FDR, who brilliantly brought the US out of the great depression and through the second world war, there was the great depression. It was a terrible, terrible time. People sold their children because they couldn't feed them. People starved. People lived in makeshift "shantytowns" in muddy lots.
Before the depression was a labor uprising that was a war between rich industrialists and workers. It happened because the wealthy worked ordinary people to death, killed them with appalling working conditions, even children, for miserly pennies, while paying as little as possible, even forcing them to give up all their earnings at the company store. That stemmed from what was called the gilded age. Poverty was rampant. Half of all American children lived in poverty in 1900. Before that we had slavery, and we had been slaughtering Native Americans nonstop since Jamestown. There was also ample indentured servitude. Okay? America is not what people have told you all your life. It has been a country of the utmost cognitive dissonance. And the best it ever was economically for the 90% of Americans in it that were white was the New Deal era that lasted from 1935 to about 1970. Not even two generations. From Reagan on it is has been a backsliding into the worst of allowing the rich to run amuck, and it's at a critical juncture where it cannot continue.
Joe Biden remembers the benefits of the New Deal because he was a child and young adult at that time. I remember it, too. We had nothing like the wealth disparity we have now. In 1945 people who made more than $1 million were taxed at 94%. In 1960 the wealthiest people were still taxed at 91%. Biden is desperately trying to implement the principles and standards that provided the most benefit for the most Americans in all US history, including the colonial era. There is no new way to do it.
But you are bored with and dismissive of his accomplishments. Biden said something in Detroit today. Politics is not entertainment or reality tv. Right now it's the difference between a depraved Trump and loss of democracy, and decency and wisdom and the rule of law. Rick Wilson gets it thoroughly. You should listen to his most recent Lincoln Project Elephant In The Room podcast on Joe Biden's NATO summit performance. His message is for you and people like you.
How after last nights amazing performance can some of the top dems want to consider someone else? So he made one or two gaffs, who gives a shitte? He was thorough, intelligent, commanding, and it was very clear that he knew his stuff. I actually support him staying in the race far more after last night, and I know I’m not alone on that.
You're not alone! These guys keep ignoring his experience and the wisdom of age. These guys are young and they are comparing Biden to themselves. What they keep forgetting: It's Democracy vs. Fascism. People who decide to vote for T-rump over Biden over this will be responsible for taking down our country. It's unfortunately true: Republicans have no principles, Democrats have no spine" Or loyalty. Biden/Harris 2024!
He was good, and I don't have any qualms about him continuing in the office through January in terms of actually setting an agenda and executing it. I am somewhat reticent about him finishing another term or convincing enough Americans to support the Biden / Harris ticket for it to matter. The one thing that is ignored too much of these discussions is how much resilience is built into the system. The executive is not just one great man managing everything but a team working together in a collaborative / collective fashion. We've survived not just illness but the death of seven presidents in office. We could get by very well still if he was incapacitated or passed away. I don't think enough Americans understand this
Same. The people who want Biden to drop out are going to continue the same narrative no matter what Biden does.
He was not good. His answers were slow ramblings that did not have anything to do with the questions asked. His mind works very slowly now and he goes off on tangents and finally bails out with “and anyways ..”. He was never able to remember a second question when two questions were asked . He also said “wtf?!?!” things like “by the way, look at my numbers in Israel . My numbers in Israel are better than here “ . This was not good
@@hermixtonen I listened to the interview and didn’t think his answers were slow (not that that matters at all) or rambling. He answered questions about foreign policy that directly related to what he was asked. Biden always says ‘and anyways’ if he thinks he is going on too long.
Recently reminded that in 1972, the Democrats switched out the VP pick and McGovern spent the rest of the campaign justifying the switch. McGovern lost spectacularly.
Were you recently reminded that in 1972, the Democrats held the House and actually increased their hold on the Senate and on Governorships?
That's what the argument is now. The White House is assuredly gone either way. But if you don't make a change, you risk dragging down the rest of the ticket.
@@bryanfarris4696 ah someone who knows history.McGovern was too anti war 'left wing' for the overwhelming majority that picked a crook Nixon.
They knew best apparently.
@@bryanfarris4696 they could be talking about Trump... but nobody cares. Twice this week Trump had press events, but the views on them are less than half what they normally would... the whole airspace is being overwhelmed with this.
His age is not the issue anymore. He is keeping us from talking about things that have to be talked about, and "but project 2025" and "but trump is a felon" are just not enough to carry the middle.
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A candidate switch will drag down the rest of the ticket
let's put it this way
I am voting for Biden. FOR Biden. Let's assume that both parties switch to saner candidates
If it were Biden v Romney...I would vote for Biden
If it were Harris v Romney...I would vote for Romney...
If it were Harris V Trump ...I would hold my nose and vote against Trump
A lot of people are not votng for Biden, they are voting against Trump. If you signal a lack of confidence at the top of the ticket (or lack of confidence and swap in a lesser candidate -which Harris is-because most people don't pay attention) you could potentially push people to throw up their hands and not vote against Trump-just not vote.
If you make the change you risk the Presidency, House and Senate go Republican simply because you have an enthussiastic Trump base that will vote and the change to Harris will deincentivize people the on the fence Independents and Republicans-
The argument people are making is that Harris will energize the Democratic base. Nope. That kind of switch might be an oomph for the all in but I talk to people that say if they switch to Harris, they are considering NOT voting.
Let's also not forget the fact that a switch can be portrayed as the old timey party bosses picking the candidate-something that is likely to turn off some Democratic voters.
Also, it likely would result in a contested convention-which might allay the portrayal of the party bosses controlling the process. and it would still be-bad optics BUT the real problem is that Ohio with its 17 Electoral College votes and strong union sentiments is in play but the deadline for getting on the Ohio ballot is before the Convention. DNC rules allow for the primary winner to be made the nominee through a virtual process but it would be hard to reschedule and run a contested convention before the deadline-Ohio votes to Trump without a fight
My personal opinion-which is not as rare as some people think-
I can handle Harris as the "heartbeat away from the Presidency with an octogenarian at the top but I wouldn't vote for her for President (except in this case, I am motivated enought to go out and vote against Trump) I think Harris as the Presidential candidate is an awful idea. (Love Newsome and Whitmer however.)
I live in Wisconsin. I hear a lot of people saying they are not going to vote. They don't want Trump but feel that Biden is too old.
And what do people think of Harris taking office if Biden can't finish his term?
It feels like that's an issue that pundits and politicians are unwilling to broach, and I can't tell if it's for Biden's comfort or theirs. If Pres. Biden was re-elected and unable to serve past the first 6 months, I feel confident in President Kamala Harris. That's enough for me to stick with them now.
I have been listening to this podcast since 2016. I must say that the news coverage and your response has been really disappointing. I am a college educated black woman born & raised in Alabamaand I understand the ballot. But what has been created with the seed of doubt is that people will stay home because Biden is at the top of the ticket. Most people do not individually vote they just vote straight democrats. I think this reteric will cause some house & senate seats because if Biden is incompetent and his own party doesn't believe in him then the rest of the candidates suck as well.
President Joe Biden has my unwavering respect and support.🫡✊❤️❤️❤️💙💙💙🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
This sentiment will lead to a republican super majority.
Unwavering here as well 💪
Vote 🗳 Vote 🗳 Vote 🗳
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Me too.
He has my respect but I will be writing in Kamala Harris for president on my ballot. Fuck this.
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ok - That's not BEYOND odd
You understand that negates your #Democratic vote right ?
Vote Blue All - Up and down the Ballot 👏
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I understand the anxiety, but be honest there is no governor that has foreign policy experience, that could have answered those questions last night. The media would destroy their non answers when their inexperience shows.
that what cabinet members are
@@expectationlost cabinet members aren't there until after inauguration, I mean in the next four months, what would the optics be when all their inexperience is blasted all over the media, what anxiety would you feel then? Don't imagine for a second that Trump and corp media will suddenly be kind. Trump wants Biden out because they know they can destroy the alternates.
I'm voting for Joe!
If there is no one else to vote for, I’ll vote for him but not enthusiastically.
Joe Biden must be the nominee! Democracy is at stake.
He was just cleared by a neurologist in Feb, cognitively intact, so what gives? What would happen if everyone helped with the communication issues, and supported him? Do you honestly think we’re going to win changing horses in the middle of the stream? What’s the plan? And why undermine him if you don’t have a winning plan?
We’re risking a self-fulfilling prophesy. Of course people lack confidence because everyone is completely horrified by the stakes and want landslide polls to feel reassured.
Because he has 0 chance to win and if he stays, he might drag the house and senate down with him. They might not have a plan to a certain victory, but your plan is a certain loss. It can't get worse than that.
Didn't you say just a month or 2 ago that he needed to talk about his accomplishments more.
He accomplished 2 MAJOR gaffes in one day. That’s something.
You guys have him on defense, and now you complain he has no message?
The best defensive play is to play offense which he could've done but did not do. And to say the PSA boys are the ones that have him on defense is laughable. If a podcast can take a whole campaign down, then that campaign is weak.
WHAT AN INSIGNIFICANT EPISODE THIS IS NOW.
Weird how you just show the worst moments and it was in no way tough to follow nor did he trail off
Only 8 minutes here and John says that the whole world is tense because Donald Trump is a threat to democracy...
And I just can't help but think that the entire world is at the mercy of Trump voters.
When the hero fails to defeat the villain, the blame for the bad should still be on the villain. The expectations on Biden seem a bit unfair all things considered.
But when your hero is frail and aging, wouldn't you want a stronger hero better your odds??
@@HZ-fg9sf we don't buy the exaggeration.
@@NickHolum First, I don't really think it's an exaggeration when the rest of us have eyes and saw what we saw. Second, even if you think it is an exaggeration, a lot of people don't, and debating about whether it's true or not doesn't matter. Perception is what counts unfortunately. Ignoring this reality would be foolhardy.
@@HZ-fg9sfYou mean you saw what you saw, and you’re regurgitating Kremlin propaganda, exactly what Pootin is banking on, to have tRump reelected 🙄🤦🏼♂️
I want a democratic nominee who can do what he needs to do to speak to my experience, to speak against Trump's horrific plan for the future, and speak to the future of the country as a whole. The idea that I, as the voter, need to lower my standards for the current President to clear the bar is a WILD take. In this age of identity politics, we need to remember that Politicians are running for us, we aren't just voting for them. If continuing to position President Biden is driven by fear of the future of Trump, then we need to push these politicians to get it the fuck together and get the President on the offensive.
Maybe you should listen to his campaign speeches.
@@katherinerabenau7240 as the guys said on the pod, scripted teleprompter speeches aren’t the problem. And I don’t need to watch his scripted speeches because he doesn’t need to win over my vote. Non-scripted environments, like the debate, are a chance to win over the votes he actually does need and if what we saw is who he is at this stage of his career, he ain’t winning those votes.
There is a mechanism. The 25th amendment now. And the delegates refusing to nominate him.
Biden for the win! His performance last night reassured me!
But not swing voters!
This is a novel... Lol
I'm an average voter, and you guys were starting to convince me that maybe he should step aside. But I actually thought he did great, and he cemented my support.
He spent half an hour answering questions about mostly his mental status, when the thing itself was about NATO. And he didn't side-step any of that. He answered the questions regardless.
I think he seemed more human, and more of a leader, than the debate. The debate he looked frail, and finding out he had a cold it made sense, but he also talked slow and the shots of him looking so old and blank.
I follow politics, but I'm no pundit or commentator or insider. I have a bachelor's in political science that I've done nothing with since I got it 14 years ago.
I'm very happy with how he did last night. He looked strong. He flubbed, I said oops, and he didn't make a mistake again. He looked like he wanted to elaborate points but knew he didn't have the time (thus the half finished thoughts and stuff).
I'm an average person. I also don't side with a political party. Idgaf what famous people or other politicians say. I care about what I see from the president himself. The debate worried me. I didn't watch the GS interview. I caught Morning Joe. I'm no longer worried.
I did wish he spoke more about Project 2025, especially because it does call out stuff about foreign policy (like leaving NATO). And he finally did at the end.
I liked him showing defensiveness too, because it meant he still cared. He cares about how he's perceived, and he wants to fix that.
His last smirk comment, he should've said "listen to his flubs" instead of "listen to him". But beyond that and the beginning flub, I'm happy with my support.
That said, I'd proudly vote for VP Harris. She's a bomb lady and speaker. And she would absolutely kick ass too.
Very well said. Thanks for the 'novel'. Worth every word. 💙💙💙
Thank you! He stated so many facts and had knowledge of the topics. Sure, the delivery was a bit boring, but that's how I want my politics! I don't want a drama filled, reality show presidency. Sadly, in this country of distracted, apathetic that's what gets them to look up from their phones. We have it too good and I fear it's going to take something really bad for people to wake up. A brokered Democratic convention and chaos within the party will spell our doom. We need to stick together!! Look at France and the UK!
The whole time I had horrible anxiety. I could barely understand him half the time. How many unfinished sentences are allowed in a press conference? Yeah, he didn’t drool all over himself or walk into a wall but in no way did he seem at all competent. He’s toast. His hubris will bring us all down in November.
I think Biden needs to step down for us to win, but I appreciate your perspective and anyone who believes Biden is the best person for the job, and can justify it. I have more annoyance for people who think if all the Dems just ignore Biden's weaknesses we will win.
Well public polling shows him getting destroyed by Trump and it is because everyone sees his decline
This election is really about PROJECT 2025! 🗳💙🇺🇸
Truth? I think if campaign people are talking to you about getting rid of Biden or getting him to quit, they should find a new job!
I want to say thank you to the PSA team. Every one of you, across all the pods, has helped keep me hopeful, sane, a little driven, informed, and most importantly laughing throughout the past 8 years. I am an Australian, but have always been invested in US politics, through friends and family, and the effect your politics have on the globe, not least our own here.
For now, I am saying goodbye, though. Despite the incredible work of yourselves and so many other rationally minded folk we find ourselves right back in 2016, with a barely literate sociopath likely to beat a flawed, ego-driven, if far more intelligent and considered Democratic candidate.
There is an obvious way to deal with this, a wise statesman, a successful President, does what he promised and guides in a new generation. Where only the best of Biden would matter in his endorsements and campaigning, and the worst of Biden would no longer have any teeth, as he won't be there as President. It would be the most graceful of exits, the wisest. And despite that, possibly one of the least ego driven candidates fails this simple test.
Now this imbecile Trump has some resurrection horseshit trailing behind him and the terrifyingly religious American right will line up behind their orange jesus.
My hopes for an America that guides us away from fascism has shattered. I desperately hope I am wrong, and hey, maybe this extreme toxicity, but this modern uber celebrity politics where no past acts matter anymore might drive Tommy, Alyssa, Lovett, Favs, Rhodes, everyone...even that Delaware kid, to step up and dive in. I can't think of anything better than a 30 strong PSA bloc in the House, except maybe the same in the senate.
You fine people have given me a decade of hope, right now I am too broken by all of this to keep listening. I hope to be back. I truly love you, especially you, Delaware punk.
Be well, you beautiful bastards.
What I don’t hear anyone talk about is the issue he has with young voters and Muslim voters. You just have to look at the very popular Labour candidates in the UK that lost their seats over the party’s Gaza policy to know that he is definitely going to lose Michigan at the very least.
Exactly . And Harris will bring that same baggage into Nov 5. So we need a fresh break from both of them . We need Wes Moore or Beshear . Someone who , once people learn about them , will get voters excited about voting for them
@MichaelLochlannKamala actually distanced herself from his decisions during the Gaza war.
So you think they’ll vote for trump? No.
If Musim voters think that they'll do much better under Trump then they'll be in for a big surprise if Trump wins. They don't like how Biden is handling the current Middle East conflict, but Trump is 100% supportive of Israel's current action. And Trump is likely to deport many of them out of the U.S. too.
I will say that part of how Labour lost those seats is that the overall election result felt like a foregone conclusion for the best part of a year and half. People voted independent in a few key places because they felt the freedom to do so.
Also some of the Labour candidates who took a hit didn't make a lot of sense based on only Gaza. Like Jess Phillips publically resigned her Shadow cabinet post in order to vote for an immediate ceasefire motion and she had her majority slashed to a fraction of what it was before (but still won)
😱 😳 people need to stop clutching their pearls! It was Biden talking Biden I do understand the concern however picking out every single blip is making it soo much worse. It sickens me to say but U all need to be on trumps every word. At least if Biden has a massive stroke he will have at least picked people around him to step up whereas anything trump is worse for or country no matter what.
Great discussion, men, I appreciate your honesty and candor. Keep up the good fight! 👊👊
Worried the US is about to pick fascism. Doesn't matter who the Dem candidate is, if you vote Trump, you never vote again, how can anyone be undecided at this point?
We have one candidate that has spent the majority of his term sweeping up the damage from the previous candidate and is the most progressive president in our lifetimes. Yes he is old, yes he is showing signs of aging. It does not take away or make him less of a choice compared to the Republican Party leader.
The other candidate has been hiding from media due to the fact he raped a 13 year old, appeared multiple times on Epsteins flight manifests and was twice impeached for failure of duty.
Yet folks with a vast audience of people who seek guidance and political mental-refuge like, feel the need to stoke these opinions on Biden rather than focus on Project 2025 or the twice impeached rapist.
Why can’t anyone seem to zoom out enough to look at the big picture? It’s a choice between democracy and fascism. That should be where the buck stops. Anything else is stoking the rights confidence in taking this country over
Its THE CANDIDATE WHO HAS TO MAKE THAT CASE. I don't know why this is so fucking hard to understand.
@@westbethkid The media frames the argument. He is making that case in multiple appearances and interviews over the last few days. It's not being reported. Republicans have been calling for Trump to drop out of every presidential race since 2016, why is that not getting equal coverage?
I watched the press conference and he was fine. I don’t give a damn if he referred to Kamala as the Cat in the Hat, I’m still voting for him. At this point, y’all are doing more damage. I understand y’all want him to step down, but yesterday’s press conference was fine. I’m not letting y’all’s anxiety rub off on me.
He's not going to make it another four years. He can barely form coherent sentences. If he isn't replaced, Trump wins.
@@elizabethp1262That is what a VP is for!!
@@elizabethp1262Biden formed coherent sentences for a full hour. One can say he should drop out of the race, but there is no need to make false claims.
Of course you are because you live a life of denial. This is why no one takes you serious.
It's damaging to have a discussion? Wow. Also, you aren't the voters that we need to capture to win. Dems will vote Dems. It's the undecided that matters more.
But yeah I do agree the gaft was just a gaft and people are blowing it a little bit out of proportion. And if we were just to pass the torch to Kamala, that would be a stupid move too.
F’k the calls for Biden to step aside! Those impotent folks should have challenged Biden before the primaries!
Dukakis was up 18 points at some point yet lost to George Bush in 1988.
Thank you all for continuing to tell the truth. But take this from a Bernie supporter, If he loses in November - you all will be the blame.
True. Isn't it like Dems to always push blame onto a subsection of their own coalition instead of addressing the real problem. 🙄
Here’s the truth: Donald Trump and his supporters will be to blame if 45 is reelected. Not the news media, not Biden or his administration, not Clooney or Democratic infighting or supporters like Brian Tyler Cohen whom the pod disagrees with on this one issue BECAUSE WE’RE CURRENTLY FREE TO DO SO.
I believe we need to unite against this threat to democracy, but please stop casting blame on fellow lovers of democracy. Right or wrong, President Biden is staying in because he sincerely believes he’s the best chance at defeating Trump and his agenda for America. As a Bernie supporter myself, President Biden pleasantly surprised me during his administration with the progressive policies he enacted and his commitment towards a cabinet that looks like America.
Democratic attention to Biden’s debate performance benefits the republican agenda, but they are the ones we need to fight not each other
how is that a helpful comment?? what exactly are you proposing as the alternative smh 🙄
Thank you.
It's that part - not President Biden's age/capacity. He has shown himself more than up for the job.
These are the knock knees that loss Hilary Clinton the race ushering in Donald to the White House on a red carpet.
Good people, please, let Joe Biden be Joe Biden ❤
For what reason would we adamantly insist 🤔 that he undertakes a gruelling schedule?
🤔 Or, increase his hours?
🤔 Or, abandon teleprompters?
This is gas-lighting - RepublicansMAGAs talking points.
President Biden has done more for *this* *country,* more *globally,* more *for* *democracy* than Donald Trumplies did riding around on his golf cart for huge swathes of his time in the White House.
Where are the *surrogates* stepping up with an aggressive, rigorous presence in the swing States.
This. Democrats criticizing Biden is just letting independents decide that none candidates are good to vote for. I am not a Biden person, but I am a "not other 4 years of madness of Trump". But if you keep telling me the Democrat candidate cannot win, then I am not going to vote. What for? Ty heir own people ate admitting defeat.
There is a military doctrine that is appropriate here: Don't switch horses in the middle of a river!!
EXACTLY
What if the horse has palpable dementia?
If the media would’ve let the debate slightly blow over, we wouldn’t have this crap
Just as an aside who scheduled the democratic convention? Who missed the Ohio deadline? Like wtf?!? Why is that an issue?!?
I would debate both of you on Biden, I watched my father die thinking he would live another 5 years, he didn't. He's not too old he has a speech impediment. But man does he have a lot of experience.
Y’all need to stop thinking about this in terms of the next four years and focus on the next four months. If he drops out, we get Kamala. If he dies, we get Kamala or a special election in which we’ll most likely get Kamala. Just keep trump out of office, and we can deal with the rest later.
@@caseyp167 I don't want Kamala. She was given a chance 4 years ago and failed there too.
@@caseyp167100% Agreed 👍!
The Democrats need to step aside and back Pres Biden, this next four months is the deadline for keeping a felon+++++ out of office. (Duh)
💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
Fellas no other candidate polls well against Trump, a mini convention would weaken any candidate, there's no way to transfer any of the campaign money or infrastructure to another candidate except Harris, and if you vote for Biden voters understand they are voting for Harris as well. It's time to end this pressure campaign.
The ppl like trump. Gasp. And they will elect him. Gasp. That is actual democracy. Gasp.
It is sad to see “we have to stuck with this guy no matter what” Because they don’t have a backup plan. Perhaps, the party needs to change the rules or the process, because we are putting Trump back to the White House, and there’s nothing people can do about it.
Kamala does, and she's VP - it's her job to step up when needed.
@1237barca
No if he wins it will be the electoral college which is gasp anti-democratic by design
@TimeIsAFlatCircle612 You’re factually wrong. Read the polls?
The number of times Joe Biden trailed off with anyways… 💀
Better than someone rambling on a tangent or non-sequitur.
Tell Jill to tell him to get out of the race.
There are no slam dunk alternatives to Biden. I think it's another case where "don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative" holds. I don't see any reason to think that replacing Biden actually offers a clearly better chance against Trump, and the debate is definitely harming his chances. He's been clear that he's not quitting, so it seems to me that the best thing to do is drop the "should he drop out" debate.
He’s been clear, but people with influence like Pelosi are still trying to get him to drop out. We’re not looking for a slam dunk. We’re looking for someone who can be a clear communicator to make the case against Trump. Harris would be fine.
You don't know that? I've wrestled with the same argument for the past 2 years, but felt reprehensive as if it were a bridge that was to fall out from under us. And it's creaking. The young vote has never seen Biden's full tenure as a political figure and won't have that perspective, all they see is an old man in cognitive decline and we need to talk about it. 4 months is a long time. If France can pull it out of their ass and win back with so little time, why can't the U.S? It's an insult to the people who have fears over this to just shrug and be complacent. "Don't compare me to the almighty' has become 'It is what it is, shut up and fall in line.' And that point is faltering with each day Biden regresses.
Stifle debate jawohl mein fuhrer.
@@paradoxmo Why is "clear communicator" the bar? I thought the issue was the likelihood to beat Trump, and like I say, there's no compelling evidence I've seen that shows anyone has a meaningfully better chance than Biden. If it's the case that none of the alternatives are clearly more likely to beat Trump, coupled with Biden's clear refusal to drop out, how is this debate helping the issue?
@@timapple9157 No one is saying you can't have the debate, I'm just suggesting it's counter-productive. If you disagree with that, then make your case.
Don’t be turned around. Gotta stand your ground. When this ol’ world keeps pushing you around…gotta stand my ground. And I won’t back down. ❤
AMERICANS -- TRUMP'S ENTIRE CAMPAIGN IS BASED ON BEATING BIDEN. THE ATLANTIC JUST PUBLISHED AN ARTICLE STATING THTRUMP'S CAMPAIGNERS DO N-O-T WANT BIDEN TO STEP DOWN. IT'S WHY THEY STOPPED DEMANDING ARTICLE 25. THINK. THERE ARE SO MANY BOTS ON TH-cam.
I still think most democratic primary voters would have chosen someone else if we knew what we know now. Voters would not have any problem with moving on if he was in a coma or died of natural causes. We are smart enough to understand that humans can become incapacitated at any age. That is what vice presidents are for. The fact that his condition is so borderline makes this so damn hard. If he was ranting like a total madman like trump, but still did not want to give-up, there would be less angst about it. However, I still think he would be a real hero if he took one for team like Al Frankin did.
All I can think of, is that perhaps he could let Harris be president, and he could stay on as a top advisor. He claimed that he had an agenda to complete, but he won't accomplish anything if Benedict Donald wins the Electoral College. Harris could pledge to complete the agenda to satisfy that desire with a greater chance of it actually happening. You can't tell me he is the only one who can carry out a policy agenda.
“His condition is so borderline”? What? You’re just soaking up the BS Kremlin propaganda aren’t ya? 🤦🏼♂️🙄 You are part of the problem, FFS. It is true muuuhhh-ricans are horribly educated…SMH. How y’all aren’t embarrassed is beyond me! Joe’s doing just fine, he has a speech impediment, hello, how ableist of you! 🤡
I'm feeling very bleak about Biden stepping out, but I really hope he will. I think he's too stubborn and carried by ego. I know you guys think he's a decent and good man, but there are things he won't want to give up on in spite of his character, which is power as president.
I didn't believe him when he proposed being a one term president. I think he's still riding on the fact that he won last time despite all odds and he thinks he can do it again... but this is different and tbh, he should be living out the rest of his life in peace. The presidency did a number on him and I personally believe contributed to his rapid mental decline. I don't understand why these people don't just enjoy retirement and not having to work all the time anymore while they can.
I wouldn't say it's a flaw of Biden's character per se, it's just typical of elderly people to be stubborn and in denial of one's own capabilities.
god i absolutely lost it on that first clip lmao
My concern is that there's no one offering names of who could beat Trump. It has to be someone moderate and that people trust for independents and moderate Republicans to vote blue. The biggest mistake of 2016 was having Hillary Clinton be the nominee. Democrats didn't understand how much she was hated. I really believe had it been Bernie Sanders, Trump never would've won. I actually think Bernie would have a good chance against Trump despite being progressive because he is honest and fights for the little guy, but he's also old. Someone like Gavin Newsom would probably lose because Trump will spew lies about his record in CA, and even many Democrats feel like the homeless problem, crime, and home prices are out of hand. I really like Pete Buttigieg, but are Americans ready for a gay president? Someone like Gretchen Whitmer is pretty unknown. Can she build the trust and confidence on a national scale in such a short time? What would it say about Harris if someone other than her, the VP, becomes the nominee? As for Harris, I don't know if the undecided voters we need will be willing to vote for a Black woman when a white woman lost to Trump.
That's the problem I see. Are there any alternatives who have a better chance of beating Trump (most polls are showing no), and will the likely chaotic process of choosing that nominee cause more harm than staying with the status quo? I think Biden will be most likely be the nominee. Democrats are tearing down their candidate, and this chaos is not only hurting his campaign, it makes the whole party look incompetent. How do they expect to convince undecided voters after saying he's mentally unfit? If Biden isn't a strong communicator (which never was his strength), we need more people representing him doing interviews to say everything that he's not saying, the way Kelly Anne Conway and numerous awfully annoying people did for Trump.
IMO, everyone needs to calm down and stop trashing Biden publicly. If there's a way to convince him behind the scenes, you can do that all day long, or find a more constructive way to say you'd prefer a different candidate. But this negative hysteria is not helpful if we want to beat Trump.
Why no one talk about Michele Obama’s chance as candidate?
@@ameiliaerna687 Because she hates politics and has no interest whatsoever in becoming president...
@@ameiliaerna687 Because she has been clear she does not want to be president
Perfectly said
I did see reporting that the administration is polling (I hate polls but...) to fact find whether Harris could beat Trump as the nominee. An egomaniac would not ask his administration to do this, period. Harris may be appearing more on the campaign trail and this is great news. We need to see her more. They are a team.
Biden/Harris 2024 💙💙💙💙💙💙 Biden and Harris are highly intelligent, caring, strong, hard working individuals that know what they are doing. They have a popular platform and a superior team, I recommend that ticket and not the trump ticket. Who is trump's VP pick? Why it is no one, because dictators don't need a VP
REALLY!?! Of all the the aware, knowledgeable and important things he said your FIRST focus was on the two gaffes. That is gaslighting in my opinion. He has work to do and a good VP to take over if he needs to step down.
If we're in a death spiral, media & pundits put us there.
Yep… the Democrats are in death spiral…
And to think you were this close to making your communist totalitarian socialist state…
But you flew to high, too soon
And as much as I love them, PSA is kinda doing it too
THIS
Sadly, it’s Jo that put us there. He’s not being the candidate that is needed.
Gaslight me Scranton daddy!!
While I get their point, I thought Biden came off well and considering the press is out for blood, I think he did well considering the circumstances. I feel like D pundits have been doing far more damage in the aftermath of the debate and putting him up to an impossible standard to where nothing would satisfy them. I wish Biden would prosecute the case more and better but also believe that there aren’t a giant amount of people who are undecided as is. It’s a rematch with two people everyone has an opinion about and throwing in a bunch of uncertainty with another candidate is just inviting way more chaos than needed
100%. The media bias from the left leaning media against the adult in this race after we all witnessed 2016 is mind boggling.
This! They’re undermining their own, by making a huge deal out of a nothingburger! They’re screwing themselves by not supporting Biden! People need to move on, and focus on the issues at hand, like the terrifying Project 2025. Baffles me that MSM isn’t bringing this up, every day! You’d think they’d never heard of it. Insane!
this is cope
@jfavs I know you guys are speaking the truth as hard as it is to hear. I appreciate you NOT shaming people who see what is going on right in front of their eyes. I did not want to vote for Biden in 2020. I didn't get why all the sudden he became our nominee. But, I voted for him. And, I grew to appreciate him for his character and the important things he's accomplished in office. I was irritated by those in the media who continued to pick at him about his age until I SAW THE DEBATE. Now, I literally cannot stand to watch any of the MSNBC coverage because it feels like they have turned into Fox. By staying in the race he is now dragging the party down because I have lost respect for the all the people I usually love to see on the news- the Press Secretary, Max Frost, Wes Moore, Dan Goldman, Eric Swallwell, AOC, Gretchen Whitmer...basically anyone who goes on TV and tries to tell me that "Donald Trump is worse " and "stop talking about the debate." 'm sorry - in my job - if I promised to do something and then FAILED - I would be fired. If I was lucky and someone gave me a break and asked me the circumstances surrounding the failure - I would provide a the truth. What we have received from the WH is BS, upon BS and it is a little too late to make a come back. I'm not in a swing state, but I will be leaving the top of the ticket unchecked this election. I just can't vote for him this time.
We need a new Dem candidate asap. Biden is no longer up for the job, in the evenings, 24/7/365.
I' d rather watch Meidas Touch. They arent giving up
Statistics 101: Even though you may be within the margin of error within each poll, the fact that you are down non=significantly in all six swing states means that are significantly down overall (i.e. the probability that this result would occur if nobody was winning is p=0.5^6 = 0.016).
This is why the innumeracy of our political elite is such a massive problem. They literally don't know what they are talking about.
The creepy whisper is not helping Joe.
Biden did great last night at the press conference. Trump has screwed up names …like of his wife, countries, & leaders…but you forget about that. Go Joe!