The Rise of Skywalker SPOILER DISCUSSION
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You called it two years ago bro
He absolutely did....seeing that video and the date on it...he called it 2 years ago
Link?
@@jamespiper7774 th-cam.com/video/hzG3m-ZW198/w-d-xo.html
@@jamespiper7774 If the link doesn't work just click the channel and look for the "rey is palpatine theory". Its a vid from 2017. This is before any leaks
arjl880 Awesome thx dude
My wife liked the movie. Then we watched Return of The Jedi and when Vader throws Palpatine down the shaft and the death star blows up, she said, "wait....he just died.... well now this new one makes no sense!"
Rey should have taken that throne when Palpatine offered it and Kylo should have come in and kicked her ass.
An actual Rise of Skywalker. Woulda been awesome lol
Hell yeah! Ultimately Rey should have died imo, Kylo def should have survived- he was the best thing about this trilogy.
@@blisterrbub1714 don't think the kids or critics wouldve liked that
@@zyncxec3658 The only people not liking this would be Mary Sue.
Personally, I wanted to watch Rey/Ben trade healing/dying a few more times.
Now that would have been something no one would have expected
Whenever disney decides to make another trilogy, they need to plan out a coherent story. That way even if different directors end up taking the helm, the movies plot wont shit the bed.
Consider that maybe they had a plan, and then panicked and changed it - if you examine all the data this is ore likely what happened as they attempted to appease fans.
Travis Hightower the fan appeasement after the last Jedi is what destroyed the plot in the rise of skywalker. I think the only thing that was out of Disney’s hands was Carrie fishers passing because she obviously was going to play a much bigger role in this movie. But other than that their need to appease the fans, rather than stick to the themes and ideas previously established in the first two movies is what killed the plot of the rise of skywalker.
Sergio Mendoza I agree but I don’t think it “killed” the film. It’s doing ok and I liked it.
But it is a disappointment considering what might have been. Many people who are good at writing will find some easy fixes that are baffling as to why they didn’t just make the obvious choice.
One example is Kylo Ren on Mustafar. Why not make it look like MUSTAFAR and go to the Vader’s castle we saw in Rogue 1?
A full sequence there could have been used to connect and explain the emperors return. Build a little mystery as both sides try to figure out if he’s really back. Kylo just finds him pretty much right away.
All you have to do is cut the extra side quest with 3PO. Just have the dagger be a key.
I don’t think Rey being a Palpatine was a Disney correction or retcon. I think it was an option they debated about because they were supposed to resurrect a young emperor like in Dark Empire.
There’s even a listed actor who got cut from the film. I think snoke was supposed to be an old failed clone, but they were afraid suddenly to go full Dark Empire with the story.
When they decided to have Ian McDermott return as the emperor everyone knows - THATs when they decided to go with Rey Palpatine instead of whatever matches the mirror vision
@@sergiomendoza4040 Agreed. They were so busy course correcting, that they didn't realize they actually had a decent movie right in front of them. No matter what you think of The Last Jedi, the hero and villain relationship between Rey and Ben could have served as the bedrock for the next movie. The two of them fighting for the other's soul with the galaxy's fate in the balance could have made for a great movie. In some ways, they even made motions towards it, but the hitting of the panic button to introduce a new Big Bad kinda doomed the film as Kylo Ren took a backseat and the climax of the movie was Super Rey.
The Timothy Zahn trilogy. Without the emperor clone.
Someone give this guy a medal for figuring this out TWO YEARS AGO
Fun fact, Rey made her lightsaber out of her staff
Clint Basile fun fact..most people already knew that
maddox glow golden
speaking of the lightsaber, I really don't think the act of Luke throwing it in TLJ and Rey throwing it in TROS can be so directly compared as many seem to. Luke was simply trying to make a point, he tossed it very lightly over his shoulder knowing full well it was going to be perfectly fine. Rey was doing so straight up with the intent of truly destroying it, throwing it into a raging fire.
and besides, Luke doing anything else there in that TLJ moment than what he did, I mean, if he just accepted it with a smile? that's getting to a finish line awfully fast, there's no drama in it.
@@maddoxglow3268 I didn't.
@@kevinw712 God hope you never write something then if you really think that him not throwing it is the only way to not have a quick finishing story...
I think it's good that people are complaining about certain things, like Disney not having a plan for the trilogy from the beginning and hiring multiple directors with little to no communication or cooperation between them. Especially if they're going to bring on JJ "mystery box" Abrams for the first movie, a director who is notorious for setting up intrigue without any planned resolution. Disney has way too much money, power and talent to be handling arguably the biggest cinematic franchise in the world like it's the first Guardians of the Galaxy - "Let's just put this first one out there and see if they like it, we'll figure out what to do next if it does well."
i dont see why people would thought its a bad thing to complain if its the truth
Exactly. So, in a way, the backlash of the fans is a good and healthy sign. Those responsible f*cked up and that's not okay.
People like blaming the people who complain when they should be blaming the people who fucked up the movies.
consider that there was a plan - the hints in books and comics indicate and support this, but then panicked and got away from the original plan after the Last Jedi in order to appease fans. Making lots of last minute changes makes things feel incoherent.
@Travis Do you know how the original plan looked like for Episode 9? I would be okay with Lukes arc in TLJ but the comedy ruined the film for me.
If they had set it up in TLJ, I think the Knights of Ren could’ve been the final big bad. I thought they were Luke’s ex-students and all disciples of Snoke. So presumably when Snoke died, they would run the first order as a council, with Kylo at the head. Then when Kylo turns light, he’d try to power down the war machine from within. They would see it as a sign of weakness, and pounce on him like wolves and leave him for dead. So in the end he has to team up with Rey to defeat them. But for any of that to work, a least a couple of them would need to be developed way earlier.
of Kylo, he said to Rey, "I didn't lie to you, your parents were nobodies." Grandpa on the other hand...
Joseph Harrison lmfao!
That's such a meme-worthy way to handle a retcon
i am ok with her being a palpatine..
The biggest issues to me was pacing, and the fact they killed everyone and kept bringing them back.
Revenge of the Retcons!
Who is everyone?
@@LeftbrainGG Han, Luke, Leia, Chewie (for about a minute), C3PO (for about a minute), Rey (for about a minute), Kylo, Phasma (before she even had a story), Hux, Holdo, Palpatine (again), General Ackbar, Snap Wexley, most of the Resistance, most of the First Order, the Knights of Ren (who?), Snoke, and others I'm probably forgetting. Saying "everyone" may be an exaggeration, but it's not far off from the truth.
Christopher Ellis like Chewbacca, Kylo, Rey and C3PO. Not to mention the only people we saw on that one planet that knew Poe.
I think fans just want a good well thought out cohesive story.. if you're going to mess with the "Mona Lisa" painting, enhance it, don't paint over it and say it's better now, and expect us to just accept it. This trilogy deserved better. Yeah, the prequels had problems but it flowed and made sense, plus how can they screw up things we already know are going to happen.
yes, if you let a director with a completely different vision and attitude towards directing and narrative come in to do a film, you have to actually base the third film on that one in some way
@@ChiSbaObePcheH11 I agree, but the problem is how. TLJ did more throwing away of the first movie than ROS threw away of TLJ. At the end there really wasn't anything left to span the trilogy except Kylo Ren who had no gravitas to feel threatening.
Merennulli I don’t really agree with your view but honestly I think what storylines we find interesting is a very subjective thing. I was personally very intrigued by Hux pulling out his blaster and almost killing Ren before he wakes (which might also be a fun parallel to Luke standing over young Ben with his lightsaber) and the dynamic that comes from that moment. Hux is a scheming, calculating career officer and Ren is a hotheaded fighter who is very much not suited to actually being the supreme leader. Rey still had some unresolved issues with „going dark“ when she’s angry as shown at the beginning of RoS, I would’ve loved to have that explored as well
Merennulli I mean, at some points plotpoints have to be picked up and solved, so why not in the middle film, instead of right at the end. I liked that it wasn’t just a filler training montage or anything
@@ChiSbaObePcheH11 Because solving them in the middle leaves no reason for the end to be movie-length.
Tell me how rei can lift a ship with the force but has to climb the Death Star like a pleb.
Was thinking the same exact thing
She also uses the force to sort of “force jump” five minutes later in the fight with kylo
David Welch who cares, 789 not cannon. I don’t know why Rey didn’t even have conflict like “ oh shit I’m a Palpatine, but I wanna be good... but family” nope she just said naa light side is fine fuck grandpa
There was no sense of danger in this movie. As soon as they backtracked on Chewies death and C3PO's "death" via memory wipe, I knew that none of the major characters were going to die.
So Leia and Ben/Kylo are not major characters?
@@bruble5196 Kylo has been a bad guy for 99% of the trilogy. Bad guys are supposed to die. Plus, the only reason Leia died is because Carrie Fisher did. None of the 3 MAIN characters were ever in any danger.
@@porcu12345 That is 100% conjecture, Carrie Fisher could very well be alive in real life and still have died in the film. They killed han solo in 7 and killed luke in 8, makes sense for leia to die in 9. For you to say "No major characters died" and then have someone point out two major characters that did die and you instantly backtrack and explain it away is just more proof that people are hating on stuff nowadays just to hate on it. Leia and Kylo are essential characters in the star wars legacy and them dying...matters. A lot. So as far as you "knowing none of the major characters were going to die" you were wrong.
@@NapoleonSoares Leia was never a major character in this trilogy. She's been background at best, and had far less screen time than both Han and Luke. As I said, Kylo is a bad guy, so of course he is going to be in danger. Zero surprise that he died. Look at the 3 major characters we've been following for the entire trilogy: Rey, Poe, and Finn. They were never, EVER, in any danger during this movie. They didn't even have the balls to kill off Chewie and C3PO, so why would they kill off the main 3? The end result? No suspense during action scenes.
@@NapoleonSoares I think Hawken Valhalla is talking about the three protagonists of THIS trilogy. To which they are correct. None of them were in any real danger, as shown by the scriptwriters not even being willing to kill off the protagonists of the original trilogy, not even the side characters like the wookiee or android.
"Jamie pull up that clip of Vader."
And now I have pepsi all over my screen from laughing.
_Roses are red_
_Their color is faint_
_Your characters were drawn_
_On Microsoft Paint_
My question is, was Anakin not the chosen one? I thought he destroyed the Sith and for filled his destiny. What was the point of all that if the sith he killed comes back anyways in a couple of years and does the same crap.
The chosen one was only supposed to bring balance to the force. Prophecy didnt say shit about destroying the sith. If you think about the jedi has a monopoly on the force for hundreds of years and anakin helping kill all the jedi swung things back into balance kinda from a certain point of view
BVBrocks927 ok
Two years ago: I Wannt palpatin to be back
Now: Why are palpatine back
No
Cretincrusher wym no?
It’s not that ppl wanted Palpatine back it’s just that snoke didn’t do anything so he was compared to Palpatine
Honestly didnt want him to physically be back. I would have been fine if he was just a spirit or vision.
The difference is movie 8 happened between then and now, and it didn't do anything to lead up to Palpatine coming back. They were hoping for hints of Palpatine in 8 that would culminate in 9, not everything rushed in the first few minutes of 9.
I thought it was decent enough if not bloated and rushed in the pacing.
I dont envy film makers in this day and age. How can you make a star wars film with millions of people speculating, having expectations and making demands of the movie makers to make THEIR personal ideal star wars movie.
When a New Hope came out there was no back story, no planned arc for the trilogy. Just a vague outline of a story which they made up chunks of as they went along.
Fast forward 40 years later and everybody who likes star wars has their own canon, expectations and theories about characters. I don't think we'll ever get that fabled perfect star wars trilogy. Firstly because the OT was far from perfect itself and secondly because the fans will disect every little detail and measure it against their perfect and unrealistic/poorly defined ideal of what the film should be.
Shut the fuck up.
Ratharyn Winterleaf couldn’t have said it better myself
Chase Nuuhiwa You shut the fuck up as well ffs
No your wrong Lucas actually wrote all of Star Wars in one script but he just split it into three parts he added some minor things and so did the directors but nothing too major that didn’t work out the biggest things were Luke’s dad wasn’t gonna be Vader (which actually is pretty big srry lol) and Luke’s sister but they are both played in so well and make so much sense especially with the prequels that you couldn’t notice the tweeks they made
Love how Poe tells Chewie to “blend in”.
Eric Werkheiser just fly casual
"Who let the crinkley old man into their guts"... *walks away from phone *
We thought that SW was the story of the Skywalker familly, instead it was Palpatine familly.
it's totally obvious Palpatine was never meant to be in the movies at all. If it was planned from the start then no matter how much free reign they gave to Johnson with TLJ they still would have told him to include atleast one scene to foreshadow his return. Studio Execs, Kathleen Kennedy and everyone else watched the dailys while filming TLJ, it's not like they were surprised by the fact Johnson put no references at all towards Palpatines return. I think it's clear they had NO THRU story what-so-ever and decided to throw Johnson under the bus.
Yea I totally agree with you. Last Jedi was actually my fav of the new 3. Sucks that JJ basically tossed him under the bus.
@tobbe217 while that is interesting and humorous. Even if it's true, all that eludes to is that Rey is simply related to Palpatine. Which I could easily believe as how it seems to be a way overused trope in the SW franchise. And that could've been JJ's intentions to have Rey be the granddaughter of Palpatine, but it in no way, nor does anything in TLJ, foreshadow Palpatine returning himself. In my opinion, if true, it comes off more as something he threw in there to "hedge his bets"
@tobbe217 I like your theories, lol would've made for a better movie imo. But for the life of me I can't understand, if any of this was meant from the start then why give RJ 100% free reign to do whatever he wanted. I would've imagined the producers at the least saying to RJ: "You can tell whatever story you like and how you like, but you NEED to include these couple scenes just so we can setup the big reveals for the 3rd movie". And that's the part I find hard to believe, that they just gave RJ the keys to a billion dollar franchise and said "We have a plan for the 3rd movie but you just make whatever you want"
@tobbe217 The Last Jedi set up for what could have been an excellent movie. Rise of Skywalker's problems were its own.
It might have been just me but when Rey looked into the mirror on the island I imediately thought of Palpatine for a very short moment.
Knowing Star Wars we’re going to find out that Finn is Master Windu’s cousin twice removed or something stupid like that lol
Apparently the actor of Finn is pissed at Disney for not doing anything with his character
Episode X: Rey trains Finn, broom boy and baby Yoda with 10 other forces users....then one of the kids gets seduced to the dark side and the cycle starts all over again
Yoda turns into a baby when he died lol
I liked it more than the last Jedi but I’m so annoyed at the fact that it’s not a trilogy it’s just 3 movies with the same characters I liked the movie as a movie but really not sure for the Star Wars aspect
Funny thing is that this is what a true trilogy is: 3 seperate stories. Tolkien didn't consider LOTR a trilogy. Just one story in 3 parts.
@@MatiZ815 I think OP means that there is no coherence between the three stories being told, like there was in the OT and Prequel trilogy. There was a logical progression of the story, just like there is in LOTR. And I agree. TFA and TLJ still feel coherent, they can exist together, but Rise of Skywalker just blows everything up and brings down the entire trilogy.
I think going into this movie with such low expectations made it a lot more enjoyable than I expected it to be. TLJ pretty much did away with everything I loved about Star Wars so trying to make sense of every little thing wasn't important for me anymore.
Juan Ortiz T least now you know Anakin died for nothing
It just undid EVERY worthwhile moment after it happened. Rey should’ve accidentally killed chewie. I can’t believe they screwed that moment over. Rey also should’ve killed ren on the Death Star & rey should’ve died after killing the emperor. The fact Ren survived none stop was just so silly & the emperor didn’t accomplish anything despite being ‘all powerful’. The whole movie was a carbon copy of return of the Jedi.
they were afraid of more fans being angry about characters dying i mean look at the reaction of the fans with the deaths of han and luke... and ackbar ofc
i loved every star wars movie ever made I have a problem... with your name
@@therealdawsonhall51 i just think its better to like things than hate on them , gotta see the good in everything
except the holiday special that's just straight up dogshit
Palpatines dialogue didn’t seem very interesting, it was just about hate and anger over and over like say something original jeez. We get the memo, the same thing has been said for 8 movies. This is palpatine- one of the smartest in the whole saga and he doesn’t even say anything interesting or whitty or wise etc
All of that was Sheev Palpatine. This is Darth Sideous
Darth sideous is FULL of hate and anger
@@godspeed2272 Palps still was a mastermind. This time he looked like he was demented.
STRIKE ME DOWN
My wife is the person that generally enjoys the movies but doesn't get crazy. She isn't a huge Star Wars fan, but she's seen them all and generally enjoyed them all. But to her it's just another movie. It's not her life like it is to me. Sometimes I wish I could enjoy it with her level of simplicity without thinking so deeply into everything. LOL!
I just realized that the Nerd Soup Monkey is holding a banana as a lightsaber, but it's actually a curved lightsaber like Count Dooku had.
I like that holocron joke bo, it did not go unappreciated
The whole light skipping thing tripped me out in the beginning because I thought they were skipping through time too, then I had to remind myself that starwars doesn't take relativity into account.
Star Wars has had time travel before.
"May the force be with you", only when I'm constipated. LOL
"I respect the opinions of everyone here, but at this point I don't care what anyone's opinion of Star Wars is." That might be one of the wisest things I've ever heard a critic say. With how shitty and toxic star wars fans can be, the only way to win an argument is not play.
My theater had two bouts of derisive laughter -- Rey Palpatine reveal, and Chewie gets a medal.
Why did he leave a map to the island
I'm thinking that he had to create a map, because he wasn't taking R2 with him - he needed to plot the hyperspace lanes.
Problem is:
HOW DID REY F@#KING NAVIGATE THROUGH HYPERSPACE, MUCH LESS TO THE SITH PLANET, WITHOUT AN ASTROMECH..?!
Disney probably forgot🤷♂️
@@THEAdmiralXizor Rey had the sith wayfinder which led her there
Admiral Xizor kylo didn’t have an Astromech, the way finder did most of the autopiloting
@@dylangarland7813
You mean...
The Sith wayfinder that was in Kylo's ship?
Kylo's ship... WHICH SHE BURNED, WITH THE FULL INTENTION OF NEVER LEAVING THE PLANET..?!
They may have shown it as installed in the x-wing while she was flying it - if so, I missed it. Still doesn't explain how she navigated hyperspace in a T65 with no navicomputer...
“Handing out master ranks like its fucking hot cakes”
I’m rolling 😂😂😂
24:00 that wasn't a retcon of Luke's behavior, it was the natural result of his arc in 8.
Aaron keeps referring to him as 'Papaltine' and not Palpatine and it makes me think there's a huge missed marketing opportunity with Ovaltine. BE SURE TO DRINK YOUR PAPALTINE FOR UNLIMITED POWER!
Nic Fontaine Papaltine sounds like a Pope x Ovaltine collab
*powder
Hearing you guys talk about the things you liked, there is genuine happiness and love in your voices. You wouldn't know that this was a negative review of the film if we just heard that section.
Didn't feel anything when they kissed. Needed more story between them and less rushed story.
i took the kiss in light of the fact that they had shared such a foreign struggle to those around them, and Rey knew Kylo would pass shortly thereafter. I don't know if it's sexist or something, but I think she came to love him in a way.
They touching hands in The Last Jedi was more emotional than the kiss in The Rise of Skywalker.
It felt like JJ forget to do any character development and focused on the generic plot of "bad guy want to explode the galaxy", making the movie feel so rushed and empty.
I didn't even remember them kissing lmao
Rey and Ben Solo are the only characters whose relationship got a consistent arc. Even if TROS is weird with them.
TLJ was on the nose as all heck with the romance.
Even I saw it, even if it took me a little while to accept that's where it was going.
NerdSoup TRoS spoiler review is all I wanted for Christmas
Ethan Hawkins Fast and Furious for the inpatient generation
That wishful thinking two years ago ended up being apart of the actual plot of the movie😂😂
Anyone here after watching rey palpatine theory? 😂
I think that the main problem with this Star Wars trilogy is that, although they provide some good entertainment, these movies will not stand the test of time, and I can understand the frustration of some of the radical views of the fans that you guys were discussing because, on one hand, for a movie standard, it is a good film, but for a Star Wars movie standard it just doesn't make it, it doesn't leave you with that touch of epic-mystic-timeless sensation that a SW movie should have and that is why it fails to deliver.
In my opinion, one of the major problems was not developing a great, solid villain that would have been taken seriously and where the plot revolts (It would have been interesting to see an antagonist that has an unique & powerful variation of the force, something that has not been seen before and that the heroes have to learn from it and grow a powerful force counterpart TOGETHER in order to defeat it, that would have make sense for all the hero and their arcs would have been better developed, but that's just my thoughts hehe).
On the other hand, they should not have messed with the original crew legacy (Killing Han Solo in the way they did, portraying Luke as a failed old man), i mean, these characters had a LOT of pain & suffering in all the saga in general, it was totally unnecessary to scramble them like that. I think it would have been more respectful to leave them as the great heroes they were.
I hope that if they make another trilogy, they develop a solid & timeless story and not a film that feels like it was a checklist for a Star Wars type-of-movie recipe, otherwise it will not work.
They should have made a trilogy about the vong, or at least a similar concept. We've seen the galaxy fighting itself, but we've never seen the galaxy united.
For a tv show, they could show the forming of the new republic, with leaders like ahsoka, ezra, and luke. Maybe they find palpatine's lair predicting the vong's invasion, nobody believes them, so they have to become the very thing they destroyed, the empire?
But they just decided to remake the OT with better CGI, but less interesting because we've seen it before.
@@boggless2771 dude I agree
I think this movie proves that fans don’t know what they want, but also that producers, writers, directors need to stick to their guns regardless of fan outrage. Because this movie has so much fan service and appeasement in it and despite that half the Star Wars fandom probably still hates it just as much as they hated the last Jedi and the force awakens. So at that point simply make the best movies you can regardless of who likes it. Because it has the name Star Wars people will watch it almost no matter what, Disney shouldn’t have been so afraid of all the backlash.
so two years earlier you was talking about Rey is a Palpatine, and YOU ARE RIGHT!!
impossible!
As far as I’m concerned Star Wars ended with Return of the Jedi. I was hoping something coherent would come from this film but I can now say this trilogy was just a mess. Clearly Disney just wanted to get some cash from the name. What a shame.
Bruh hell yeah. Favorite media podcast of all time. Do yall thing!
The best part was Ben & Rey - I wanted more of them.
I took my Dad to see this opening night, he waited in lines for the original trilogy. His favorite part was Babu Frik and I have to say I agree, lol.
For me episodes 7-9 is the equivalent to an anime filler arc. Not written by the original author, breaks all normal rules of the universe, and horrible ending. I'm just glad this is over 🤣
Like Dragon Ball GT?
I was waiting for palatine to shout Unlimited Power!!
Where did Rey gets the crystal for her sable? I feel dumb for not knowing, but I need wisdom
They could have broken the film into 2 parts. Obviously they were trying to undo the Last Jedi. There was no reason to stick with the trilogy thing.Give him part 1 to get it back on track and part w to wrap it up.
You have to watch these movies in a bubble because one you take canon and continuity into account it just breaks too many things in my opinion 🤷🏿♂️
Honestly I thought this movie was a failure because I felt nothing at the end of it. I feel like I could have stayed home and been just as entertained. Beat for beat, the movie happened just as I thought it would. The fanservice failed to excite me. The characters failed to invest me. And the villains were never a real threat. Retconning the Last Jedi really hampered this movie because it seemed like a cop-out. This film was simply an obligation.
Radioactive Man The only time I got emotional was when I saw Luke’s home because it reminded me how much I love the OT
@@jamespiper7774 shame, I enjoyed it for what it was
Radioactive Man same!! When I watch the originals I feel like the end of a book, same with prequels. It’s like when you feel hard in the last Harry Potter. I felt nothing
Great!! This is what I was looking for from you guys. Thanks for sharing your honest yet objective opinions.
Wanna fix the movie mostly? Keep rey dead. Keep Kylo alive.
Agreed, have fin sacrifice himself in TLJ to help save the resistance.
@@iandevine3063 exact... He has nothing to do in the third movie ANYWAY!
So tell me how you don't hate strong, FEMALE protagonists.
Please, we're all waiting.
Rey’s cool. But it would’ve been cooler if we saw her stay dead because she served her purpose and restored balance once again. It would’ve meant that there was more opportunity to go even further into Ben’s redemption since we saw so little of him throughout the trilogy, cause remember kylo is his sith persona. Plus itd be more tragic cause he’d have to live with her being dead, the one he “loved”.. Also another plus would be that ya know the movie is called rise of skywalker, rey just took on the name after having identity issues about accepting who she was all film..Seeing the man who slaughtered the jedi at one time restore it wouldve been more meaningful imo
I like strong, female protagonists... if they've earned it like every other character. Ripley, Leia etc. Rey not so much.
The Joe Rogan impression had me dying.
Been looking forward to this review since I’ve watched the movie :) love hearing all your opinions and thoughts!
"I don't wanna talk to anyone about Star Wars anymore" is such a mood
the sw community has become so toxic and hateful that discussing your favourite films/scenes/characters is just one big minefield
Agreed. Left, right, who cares? It's star wars, why can't people just enjoy star wars?
Even the prequels, that are considered bad, are enjoyed by many.
cinnamon 98 truth. I’m just watching this because the nerd sup guys are fun to listen to
It feels like a film version of the phone game
Whether you prefer JJ or rian Johnson it’s obvious they had two separate visions and that’s what makes this trilogy feel so incoherent
People keep saying that The Last Jedi is about letting the past die. That's actually the opposite. That's the perspective that the villain had (Kylo Ren) as well as Luke's perspective in the beginning. In the end, Luke changes and embraces the past to inspire hope. I liked all 3 of these movies. Force awakens was my favorite.
Rey had the potential to be a very good character. Daisy Ridley was great casting, she was believable with the physical demands and fight scenes. Its too bad they clearly had no plan for that character and how they handled her backstory as well as some of her motivations.
I am that one guy who enjoyed all three movies in the sequel trilogy. I like Solo, Rogue One... all of it.
I don't feel like JJ or Ryan or Disney or any movie maker owes me something in a Star Wars movie.
I don't go into these films thinking... they better do this one thing or they lost... or they better not do this other thing or they lost me. Enjoy they ride... eat the popcorn... forget the expectations and see if you enjoy what they put on film.
I enjoy a lot of movies that many people seem to hate... not sure I've ever hated a movie... I didn't enjoy the direction horror movies went so I stopped going to them. I still very much enjoy Star Wars.
Shane Morris the problem
is that they haven’t even been that enjoyable. The plots make no sense.
@@jasonmanning6317 I've enjoyed them...
I mean it has been an easy storyline to follow, the decisions made are not that hard to grasp and it doesn't take any kind of big logic leap to get through the story.
I've never walked out of a Star Wars movie thinking... god that plot was so dumb I couldn't take it...
I've also never walked out thinking damn... that is some of the best plot structure I've ever watched in a move....
they are fun sci-fi space battle drama escapism. I know that going in and I get that from them. So I walk away very happy.
You the type a fan they dont need to worry about cause you go to much anything. They dont need to try for you
@@grampagohan3385 it's not just Star Wars... I don't like being pissed off when I leave a movie... So I don't go to movies that do that. Simple life choices... If the plot structure of this franchise is gonna upset you... Why do you invest the time. It's not like this one better wildly off course from anything that came before it
It was Star Wars through and through. It was fun, a little cheesy at times and just enough laughs thrown in.
I refuse to call them "wayfinders" they're Rambaldi artifacts, J.J. recycling his ideas. There are so many plot holes/conveniences it continually pulled me out of the movie and left me feeling absolutely nothing.
Oh god... You gave me flashbacks! Alias turned out to be such a clusterfuck.
Renee Lasswell it’s in the movie just except it . Same thing
@@wolfwarrior3574 Haha, you really missed the point.
@@Strassenkicker What "point" is that? A superhuman character has to find a Mcguffin to find the next McGuffin to take down an evil order unknowingly headed by a member of her family... the plot of Alias.
@@reneelasswell3734 I was talking to our friend Wolf Warrior, who was trying that you'd "except" the crappy JJ McGuffin thingy. I totally agree with you, hence my first reply to you.
Love hearing Aaron saying "Papaltine" 😆
Lemon Oreo he even says it like that in the reviews of other star wars movies to lol
I think if you built Hux up (and not make him a joke) you could've made him the big bad. The main end villian doesn't need to be a Sith force user, it can just be some military genius like Thrawn. You could've just used Richard E Grant from this movie. No need for Palpatine to dirty shit
What about during training Luke and leigh one lightsaber is blueand one is green then when kylo and Rey have the same sabers they are both blue
Joseph Jefcoat this is what I noticed straight up, but then I think it’s anikins Saber
I did kind of want Chewbecca to die in that moment, but I knew they never would have done that due to the potential backlash. It would have made Rey's dark side storyline feel more plausible if she was racked with the guilt killing a friend due to her not being able to control her power. There'd be more logic in her accepting Kylo's offer of training her.
However by the end of the film, I'm glad Chewy didn't bite it. It went as dark as it could for a Star Wars film which was nice. I think shows like GoT have made me a bit of a sadist since I wanted more characters to die.
So the major plot point about the Jedi order needing to end is just ignored in this movie.
kevtiz03 yup and zero balance brought to the force.
Bes T I like this take
The Last Jedi itself rejected the premise that the Jedi Order needed to end. Luke said he would not be the last Jedi. Luke and Kylo Ren both believed it, and both were wrong.
Lol ok no Jedi just called them Skywalkers even though Luke Skywalker said Jedi needs to end
This movie just ignores everything star wars related lol.
On the subject of the movie sorta being held back because of the death of Carrie Fisher: Since I knew that they were using old footage from The Force Awakens, all I could think, whenever Leia gave a line, was Peter Griffin leaving a tape recorder for Lois when we snuck out one night that had these pre-recorded responses to things she would say. It did feel like a hinderance to some of the story telling at times. RIP Carrie
lmao "Lois if you still haven't discovered I'm gone please flip the tape over to side B"
Lmao yeah there were a few scenes where you could really tell they just ADA'd the audio in
Great job guys. U did it. U picked right. Hope you guys had a great Sithmas.
10,000 Star Destroyers never looked so helpless and underpowered...
SuperCarlinBrothers theorised that Qi'ra from Solo was the grandmother of Rei
Why does Disney call it the Skywalker saga?
They've made it the Palpatine Saga!!
John Beuker they wanna remember what they killed
It’s like yeah, the box office was huge, but ain’t NOBODY buying the toys.
The end could have been so much better simply if Ray was crossing one Red, and one Blue light saber against the emperor.
Every time I hear Beau's Lando laugh, I feel like he bouta drop a fire verse
I can't stand the force transfer thing because it only exists because Smoke linked their minds to get Luke's location, but it turns out they're a dyad...? WTF LOL
The stakes weren’t high enough for me to believe palpatine was a real villain. He was no thanos. Rey got everything handed to her so easily, killing chewie could have helped with her character arc.
Abrams' version would have worked well had he done all three movies. Most, if not all, problems with this movie are related to not having time do develop things properly, he needed the middle movie to do that. Also remember that the idea was for three different directors to direct these movies, Abrams jumped back in after Trevorrow left. To go into making a sequel trilogy to arguably the most important film series in cinema history, without having a clear idea of what needs to happen is, to understate it mildly, moronic. Kennedy made a pig's breakfast of this whole thing.
rstx Kennedy micro managed too much
Rumor is that JJ defied Kathy Kennedy and story group for this movie. That’s why the lore feels inconsistent
Interesting. Kathy Jennedy is the type of person even Palpatine would be scared of
@@viksaggu9085 Because she fired a bunch of people?
Palpatine Fucks...... that is all
Wait if ahsokas voice was in there... That means she confirmed dead D:
well, this movie is set so much later than the clone wars..ahsoka would be really freaking old if she wasn't dead by then
@@ChiSbaObePcheH11 She would be chronologically 71, biologically 69 if still alive (she was pulled forward through time at one point in the Rebels series). Not exactly a spring chicken, but not that old.
Merennulli okay True, that’s not impossible, but people who fight a lot do tend to die earlier
@@ChiSbaObePcheH11 True. I'm just saying the timeframe isn't that far back.
We don't know what happened to her past her starting a search for Ezra Bridger. My headcanon is that after the Battle of Endor, the Force ghost of Annakin popped over to say "Hello!" and scared her to death.
@@Merennulli bet Disney will say that's cannon
You clutched up bro
I think Rian Johnson was trying to open up the series to more than a trilogy but J.J. had a closed loop story to tell. If the vision was to make it a trilogy and really close off the Skywalker saga, they should've had J.J. do all three, even if he's not our favorite choice. At least it would've been more cohesive. This movie wasn't the worst but clearly he was trying to jam two movies into one and it did the whole trilogy a disservice.
arjl880 they should have used George Lucas’s original 789 script
@@viksaggu9085 Disney is too focused on Disney's plans and agenda. I don't know Lucas's script but I would guess that it was a concise story that doesn't lead to expanding the universe into a series of show's, spinoffs and other trilogies with Disney plus in mind. Honestly though, they should've had Lucas just produce the next trilogy. I think he's still somewhat scarred by the response to the prequels and is done for now making SW movies. I'm sure his script was still better than this though
Great vid guys, made me laugh a lot
The dyad is in clone wars, with the ones in planet Mortis, the sister and the brother... And they close that arc in rise of skywalker...
The yellow light saber of the guardians of knowledge... Is brilliant
How refreshing to hear a reasonable discussion about this film. So many angry, whiny babies crying about how this was “literally the worst movie ever made”. The film had issues, it was messy, it was rushed, but overall, it was satisfying. It could have been executed better but it was better than I was expecting (from the angry mob complaining how much this movie sucked). Hearing adults speaking like adults about a Star Wars movie is rare. Salute.
I thoroughly enjoyed your review. Thanks for being reasonable and sane people. I absolutely love your channel. 👍
i hat the girl who i counted said the word "like" 11 times over 33 seconds ...she needs to understand you don't need to use filler words...it just makes you hard to listen to
Kylo found the Wayfinder right away at beginning and it took the trio half of the movie to find the other Wayfinder. 😑
It would’ve been better if it had Rowan Atkinson cameo as a Jedi.
The world needs more Mr. Bean dammit!
I prefer him as a Knight of Ren.
The world needs more Blackadders, who more cunning than the fox teaching Cunning 101 in Cambridge (not Oxford -- Baldrick teach that class there)
13:30 the light speed skipping becomes funny when you think about two things: 1) it's supposed to be impossible to enter light speed near a large source of gravity (like maybe... a planet?) and 2) TIE fighters have never had hyperdrives before
The major point that doesn’t make sense was Disney said something called out to palps from the outer rim some point before or during 6 so we all thought snoke but he just went there to live in a coliseum
I saw a picture of the script scene that said rey was supposed to see the jedi force ghost but they cut it out
You guys have to watch Maulers review, it has everything from movie making and the scenes in context to all the other movies
johan axling link?
They try to help Vader's redemption in the comics/books too. He hated the Death Stars apparently.