Game of Thrones Season 8 - The Iron Throne Spoiler Discussion
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Game of Thrones Season 8 - The Iron Throne Spoiler Discussion
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No, no. Thank you!
Do the expanse
Thanks so much guys
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Kidding of course, can't get enough of Nerd Soup. Love you guys.
@@lefraunhofer8869 Would love it if they did. The universe and books are big enough for them to dive into the lore. Certainly not as popular at GoT though, but I think whatever they discuss next won't be as popular as these discussions.
Stick 'em with the disappointy end
AngryFarfetch'd cry
AngryFarfetch'd I need this on a shirt.
Brilliant. Needs a shirt.
Ha! Got 'em!
Awe Man. 😂
Season 8 felt like I was watching the recap for seasons 8, 9, and 10.
Bro !!!! Such an accurate comment 😂
This is the best description of what I feel about this that I've seen yet.
dwoollery same I’ve been repeating this comment to my friends and they’ve all been like wow that makes so much sense
Ha!
True
Facts, I am with you guys... I don't mind where it ended, just how we got there. There was no character development, no story telling and hello they where supposed to be telling a story! Season 7 and 8 super rushed. I will give D&D some credit I think they did a good job adapting the books to the show but they where just over their heads and gave zero shyts about doing more. It was rushed and we didn't deserve that. George didn't deserve that and esp. The poor actors.
Nerd Soup’s arc of slowly disliking this season has been more fulfilling than any arc in season 8. Love the Channel guys 👌🏾
You mean collapsing to peer pressure. The season wasn't bad, you're all just sad that it's over.
Fronica if this is how they want to make seasons now then I’m glad it’s over. Do I wish it had more seasons? Yes but that’s only because the story required it to be that long
Fronica At least explain why you like it and acknowledge the points made by nerd soup and the criticisms of the show. You can still like it but don’t hate people for making criticisms.
haha yes, a bittersweet and melancholy ending to the story. 555
Fronica totally agree.
When Tyrion is hitting the rubble, all I could think of was him smashing beetles and grunting.
Same lmao
Omg I totally forgot that!
It pissed me off that Tyrion tells the other lords and ladies that Bran was the three eyed raven like it means ANYTHING to them
"What is tree-eyes raven, cabron?"
- the Dornish Dude
carlos de leon Those lords do not even know bran let alone care about what and who he is. What also pisses me off is that Tyrion is a prisoner yet somehow he’s the one who gets to decide who rules Westeros? And then the those lords just listen to him??!
@@anja1627 they didn't listen when he said he gives bad advise right after giving advice.
So much of what they played with in the show the isle of faces, the children of the forest, the entire white walker plot, Krasters bastard sons, the knight king himself again the whole white walker story line, Johns parentage, the lord of light, the chosen one azur ahigh, so much lure that they did play with and put in and just well to quote d&d "ugh just forgot" like Danny and the damn iron fleet was forgotten and rushed. Why even put it in if you are going to totally disregard all of it? Makes me so sad... They really ran this shyt like sonic raced it to the end and missed so much what could have been great story telling. That's what's most disappointing to me... So much wasted forgotten and rushed.
How was Tyrion even talking in the first place? The goddamn writers clearly have contempt for their audience. They finally abandoned consistency and consequences from _scene to scene,_ and even _line to line._ They either think the audience is fucking stupid or they just didn’t care anymore, probably both.
This girl has been speaking sense all season
GrammerSmosh first season i agree with her
GrammerSmosh I just clicked to hear her being savage
They’re all pretty good
She doesn't know shit.
Marissa has been really speaking my thoughts - one of the guys just can’t admit that the season is bad. On an individual level too, the episodes were not good, some were above average and some were average, not one of them was actually good.
Someone on ScreenJunkies said that they yada-yada'd the conclusion of the show. That's a pretty accurate description
That's actually a great way to put it. "Yada, yada, alright time for Star Wars"
They “microwaved” it, they were in too much a hurry to do it right...
@@Wallychans they microwaved it but the container wasn't appropriate for microwaveing so it all blew up.
Montblanc they forgot the metal fork was inside the container
@@phoenixking2406 and the container was made of cardboard, it literally went all in flames.
The problem is that D&D believed that what fans wanted was larger fights and more dragons, which is cool. But, up till season 4 barely had any actual fighting, maybe one per season. What carried the show was the character's motivations and how well they conflicted with each other, and i don't think they ever really got back to that.
I’ve been a pretty big defender of this season - not that it’s great, but that it’s not terrible. I’ll admit that the show did lose its magic, which makes sense, since GRRM is what made the show great, and once he’s gone, nothing feels natural anymore. The first four seasons were a masterpiece, seasons 5&6 were really great, season 7 was great and 8 was just decent. What makes the show feel so bad is that we were still expecting something really great, they took two years after all, but I guess ending something as world renowned and fantastic as game of thrones will never feel right.
Cinema Gaming What made the show great was the compelling and great writing of the story and the characters. This is not a Hollywood blockbuster movie. But D&D are not talented writers. They just seemed cool and great in the earlier seasons because they had the books. When you look at D&D’s other projects, Benioff’s X-men and Troy stints should have already been a red flag.
Well said
Cinema Gaming exactly how I feel , somehow they got into massive battles , special effects and incredible stunts as being the soul of the show as opposed to the writing ,believe me I love the production team , they effects & stuntmen are the best there is , but we didn’t fall in love with show because they have stunts setting 22 men on fire , it was the writing , how the charaghters interrelated , & charaghters talked , didn’t just stare at each other dramatically, or gaze off into the distance , so much time was spent if not in spectacular effects, in just gazing , staring , smirking , looking , brooding & walking in silence or to the fantastic instrumental music
Bran to Jon: It's your choice.
(A million people get burned alive)
Bran to Tyrion: Why do you think I came all this way?
Bran is the villain
but really that piece of info isn't what made dany to mad... was it?
honestly what did jon being a targ actually effect at all? nothing as far as I can see..
They totally established that he can see the future too. I don't know why anybody would be confused about that.
Lostin Thegarden Well Bran tells Sansa, Sansa tells Tyrion, who tells Varys, who then starts to plot to kill and overthrow Daenerys. And that’s one of the pieces (along with Jon’s “I love you, but not like that” move, and the deaths of Jorah, Missandei, and Rhaegal) that we are supposed to believe pushed Dany over the edge.
D&D talk in the behind the episode clip that this wasn’t something Dany planned ahead of time, that she decided to “make things personal” as she was surveying the city and the Red Keep after winning the battle. But then we get that speech and the conversation w Jon before he kills her, which to me implied like her actions were premeditated, that she believed slaughtering the entire civilian population of a city is justified in the name of destroying the tyrant who rules that city and thus “breaking the wheel”. And she can’t see that that makes her an even worse tyrant than the one she just deposed, which I guess proves her madness, but to me it doesn’t fit with the idea that she decided to do this on a whim. I mean it takes time to develop these thoughts, and descend into that level of madness, definitely more than episode and a half.
DnD literally don’t know what the fuck they are doing
Thank you guys so much for all your work! And thanks even more for the good soup :)
Out of the dozens of GoT channels, Nerd Soup was always my favorite.
Put simply, this season felt like watching a TH-cam recap/edit of each episode.
Charles Funari And its funny cus the last 3 episodes were 80 mins, but there were so many scenes that dragged out
Nailed it!
The recaps were the highlights of season 8
The recaps are better.
@@vvsparis I was really pissed at how much time they spent on these slow moments in the final episode of Tyrion and them walking, Tyrion moving chairs, etc. I was like WTF you rush this shit and then you drag out meaningless scenes?? I didn't feel that Tyrion needed to see Cersei and Jaime dead either. That could've been confirmed off screen like they did w/the Black Fish to Jaime. And using all of that screen time and budget the 2nd to last episode just to show people running and being burned alive was also overkill when they could've done more w/that time! So frustrating!
Thank you for making great content for the last few seasons. I especially enjoyed the revisited series!
Yes! I think a complete revisited series would be great!
Hira Mohammed Yes! Hopefully we get 5x09 & 5x10 revisited, they joked about leaving it at Hardhome and they did
Book fans: George, are you close to finishing the next book?
George RR Martin: Hold my beer. Let’s start a new prequel project
Marco Pedrosa the books will never be completed he sucks a big one
Steph Snow
i bet they will. idk why... but something tells me he's been working on both books simultaneously, amd after twow conew out, it will only be like another year before we get ados
Lostin Thegarden yeah I’ve honestly been thinking the same thing I would imagine it would be really difficult for him to not work on the last two books simultaneously because it would just make sense that they would flow together as the others do also he’s had all this time I find it hard to believe he’s been doing no work on both of them or at the very least finishing winds of winter and then getting a good start on dream of spring
It’s really looking like he will finish, remember it took 17 years to write Lord of the Rings, and a Song of🧊and🔥 seems it will be done in less than half the time.
Thank you. I enjoyed your content. I believe it should have gone 10 seasons and really based on the defeat of the villians: Season 7&8 Night King Season 9 Cersei Season 10 Dani. No issue where the characters ended up, but I had no emotional connection to it.
sicily72 Dany was my fav character but I found myself feeling more bad for Cersei than I felt for my fav character. This proves that D&D had no clue whatsoever how to end the show. SJW bullshit that’s what it was.
@@jjgen736 it has nothing to do with SJW. It was just rushed and not good writing.
@@jjgen736 what does this have to do with SJW shit? I mean they ruin nearly everything they touch, but they weren't on this.
Yeah shows do normally ruin things with SJW stuff but not this one. It's been a feminist story in many ways, and if anything, it just throws away all of Daenerys' story in the garbage so seems more like the opposite :(
don't see what all this has to do with "sjw bullshit".
I mean, I hate that stuff as much as anyone, and I just don't see the connection here.
Watch season 1, Episode 1 now. It feels like it goes on for hours and every minute is enjoyable and it ends leaving you wanting more.
Completely different.
Monkey Tron
hell.. watch the season 6 finale. it just feels so epic, and honestly like a better conclusion to the entire series. you could honestly watch that season 6 finale and just pretend that is the ending.
Monkey Tron I count 5 people and 1, maybe 2 dire wolves. Everybody else from the pilot, dead.
Lostin Thegarden I’ve been telling my girlfriend that from now on when I rewatch the show season 6 episode 10 will be my finale
Lostin Thegarden season 6 is so good I hate when people shit on it... even season 5 is good buuuuut def the weakest of the first 6 seasons
@@trentonmcclintock7836 Remind me what happened? I liked season 5 and lots of people hated that. Was it naked Amilia or Amilia riding away on a dragon? Both good but the unburnt was done in season one so...
Marissa: She's looking for another Mysha moment.
Girl, when I tell you I HOLLERED. Because yes.
Shanice Higgins “Mhysa moment” is my new favorite phrase
Bran: We'll see how long everyone keeps calling me "the Broken" after I find Drogon.
Underrated comment. 😂😂😂
He hands a note to Ser Davos.
"I like you, don't come to the small council tomorrow."
As funny as that is its actually a great point he could most definitely warg into him and take over where Daenerys left Haha Haha Westeros is **ucked now
One more time, Bronn!
When R+L=J ending up being completely redundant, that was the worst thing for me
It wasn't. Without the reveal Dany wouldn't have romantically lost Jon.
Fronica dont mean shit it shouldnt have just served another character but jon himself
Drogon wouldn’t have let Jon by him when he goes to kill Dany without him being a Targaryen and having those previous bonding scenes with the dragons
Far more should have came from the reveal though. For example, Varys was executed for sending out the letters, but nobody mentioned the letters later. In the last episode, it made no sense for everyone to ignore the fact that Jon is "the true heir", before and after the agreement to elect a new leader.
Had Dany only chosen littlefinger as her campaign strategist instead lol
Elena B Issa joke
Ultimate Power couple
@@fiorellino probably but still be more useful than this spider loose Who may I remind you betrayed her too
He might've chose Dany over Sansa eventually. Which could've driven the Mad Queen plotline waaaaaaaaay cooler.
Maritza is right that it would have been wayy more satisfying if Jon in some way chose his fate. He hasn't really had any agency at all this season.
The last time he had proper agency is when he went to Dragonstone. After that he just became a whipping boy
I love how marissa speaks exactly what I'm thinking. Like whenever some season 8 apologist says something like " you people overhyped yourselves with book theories " I think of Marissa who hasn't even read the books yet has the same arguments I have lmao
Creepy Closet definitely, I’ve agreed with all her points through out this season so far.
The overhype doesn't even make sense cause the book will adhere to the theories. GRRM has said so himself.
I liked that one part when Sansa asked Jon to forgive her and Jon sidestepped the question.
I noticed that too!! He didn't actually say "there's nothing to forgive." Like he's said to her in Season 6 or Lord Glover.
Love Aaron catching his boston accent at 40:23
Just wanted to say I discovered you guys at the beginning of season 8 and it's been great hearing your thoughts on the show. I look forward to watching even more of your content.
Keep up the good work
You pegged it when you said "there is story to be had in those travels". So much of the nuance of the show happens when Jaime and Brianna are bantering on the trail or Arya and the Hound are traveling and interacting.
Bran the war crime enabler, first of his name
yeah he should have sent Arya to take down Daenerys in season 5
Bran needed Dany to go crazy and burn KL so Jon would have to kill her then he exiled him so no one can challenge his claim to the throne.
Marissa is consistent she hated all this s*** LOL 🤣🤣
LEFTY D and even Teddy too
LEFTY D i loved s1-6. liked s7. s8 was bad
Facts
VVS Paris same I know people shit all over season 7 but the only episode I. D.o.n.t like there is beyond the wall
Thank you Marissa for having the ability to think for yourself!!!!
Ya she's spot on
you thought she couldn't think for herself?
maaanjaFILM Is it really thinking for herself when the same points are made everywhere?
By echoing all of the angry people on the internet?
@@zodfox9321 By not shilling out to two incompetent "writer" hacks.
"What's on Edmure's Resume?" He captured a Mill.
"They could not withstand us" 😂
Surviving the Red Wedding should be his biggest claim to fame.
He married a baddie. Not sure what happened to her.
@@GoodFilms28 Popped out his kid and survived too, I think. No reason for anyone to wipe out the Frey women/girls after Hurricane Arya was done with the men.
He shot some flaming arrows in the river
Edmure Tully - Lone Survivor of the Red Wedding, Negotiator of the Surrender at Riverrun, and Conqueror of the Old Mill.
Uncle Blackfish lived the red wedding too so Edmure can't claim the lone survivor title.
@@deet917 Ohh, good catch. Can't blame him for trying. Arya, too.
The Black Fish survived The Red Wedding but was unfortunately killed off-screen at River Run.
Yea, that’s why Edmure surrendered R.R. he wanted no one to dispute his claims when he inevitably claimed the Crown.
@@loretta5653 LOL. Always trying to play the game five steps ahead. I would have spun his imprisonment as a Mandela-like fight for freedom.
I have never clicked so quickly. Always good soup.
breann alway!! They are my favorite. They pick it apart in a respectful way.
I agree with your opinion regarding Young Griff. My theory regarding Cersei's limited involvement in Season 8: She was playing the "Young Griff" role has at this point in the books. She could not really engage elements than other than sending Euron to do many of the things Young Griff/Book Euron was set to do. I believe that at some point, Young Griff infiltrates Kings Landing and deposes/kills Cersei (He is the Valonqar) and assumes the Throne while Daenerys is North fighting with Jon. He is the one who kills Missandei and is supported by Varys, which leads to his execution. So Cersei for much (if not all) of season 8, was simply a stand in for Young Griff.
Put it this way, look at the sack of King's Landing and replace Cersei with Young Griff and suddenly Daenerys' fall out with Jon would feel more powerful because Young Griff's claim mirror's Jon's own, and more doubt could be placed upon both of their purported heritages, requiring lifelong secrets held by a few men. Like I said, if you are confused as to character motivations/endings, just add Young Griff and some things make a little more sense.
You might be on to something.
That makes so much sense. Thank You.
@@jacktheripper1476 Thanks! The big tell is the Golden Company and the events that transpired to kill both Rhaegal and Missandei. The Golden Company literally did nothing. Why? Because in the books I believe that they sack Kings Landing, using Cersei's invitation through the Iron Bank as a front to gain easy access to the city and take it for Young Griff with minimal fight. But when Drogon comes in full rage, the Golden Company does not stand a chance.
The show had to include them, because it is their presence that makes King's Landing more than just Lannister soldiers that already proved inept in defending against the same army in Season 7.
John and Danny are in the throne room.
“You are my queen”
Go in for the kiss
“For the realm”
*stabbing sound*
End of episode
He pulled For The Watch!!!
Dany gets resurrected by Kinvara and hangs Jon. -Then goes to fight Ramsay-
"So if you haven't seen it, don't watch it." xD
The Edmure Tully scene is the perfect example of what was wrong with this season/episode. It such a jarring shift in tone.
Marissa has the best thoughts IMO.
Yeah - the two main guys are Cersei ass kissers
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Last vid your guys missed something big........"Dr branhattan"
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Your commentary has helped me so much while I try to connect the dots and put my problems with the ending into words. Most of my favorite GoT commentary channels have spent this entire season making excuses for bad writing and I was tired of rolling my eyes. Thank you so much for putting out such great content. Definitely sticking around if you are!
I would have liked it more if Jon was king. Bran in Vary's old position, Master of Whisperers, makes more sense than being named the next King. Tyrion could be the next Master of Coin (come on, the guy has seen stuff, let a Lannister run the treasury and the brothels, in fact I can only picture Tyrion getting this position, or ANYONE besides greedy Bronn). Sam would be the next Grand Maester. Davos can be the next Hand of the King (the irony because he lost 4 of his digits on his right hand). Brienne being the new Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. Bronn, if we really need to give this guy a position, could be the next Master of Laws. There, your small council is done.
As for Greyworm's forces, they really should have gone down in a fight after Dany died. It would be tragic for Greyworm. He was manipulated by Dany, but Dany was just his new "master", not leader. Greyworm dared not betray her. Dany never led, she only conquered. Putting Greyworm and the Dorthraki's lives on the battlefield for a throne that's suppose to be the symbol of all she's suppose to be against. If Greyworm died believing in Dany, it would be a good tragic ending. Same for the Dorthrakis, these nomad horsemen crossed the Narrow Sea on a false prophecy given unto them by Dany.
Even if Jon doesn't want the throne, at the very least fans wanted Tyrion or Sansa to name Jon as the next King and reveal to everyone his heritage. Jon could decline and propose a democracy. This would have made better sense than to have Sam propose it since Jon has won his elections with the Night Watch and as King of the North before. But seriously, Tyrion is not a good hand. He was at one point but his arc as a competent hand has plummeted in terms of stock value.
As for who Jon could elect as the next ruler, he could have elected Sansa. Oh and for the record, I know there seemed to be some budding romance between Arya and Gendry, but they really should have added some type of romance for Gendry and Sansa. If this love could have come to fruition, when Jon elects Sansa as the Queen, Sansa could have named Gendry as her King. This would in fact unite the 7 kingdoms and it would come full circle to Robert's foretelling of wedding his son and Ned's daughter to join the houses. If they had more seasons, after the romance with Arya falls through (hell it could have not happened at all; her plot was always about revenge and not one of love), Sansa could have fallen for Gendry if he did something heroic like saving her in the Great War against the Night King. To be honest, I don't see Sansa having anyone worthy to marry her except for maybe Gendry. Jon didn't have to be King, but at the very least have his heritage revealed to all, otherwise it feels like a dead character arc with the whole R+L=J. If his heritage doesn't get revealed and get his real name reinstated, at the very least let Jon kill the Night King. Arya could have gotten Littlefinger, Melisandre, and MAYBE somehow Cersei (she could have took the face of a handmaiden and drugged or poison Cersei, maybe a poison that induces blindness, maybe because of this blindness it's difficult for her to escape easily as Dany's forces corner her).
Dany's fall from grace could have had at the very least 1 more season of development before the burning of Kings Landing. Olenna Tyrell and Littlefinger died too quickly in the very same season. As I've said before, these two could have mainpulated Dany behind the scenes. Olenna had always told her to not play nice and be a dragon, while Littlefinger could have been the one who ratted to Dany that Varys found out Jon's secret. Doesn't make sense for Tyrion to be the one who rats Varys out. Since Varys was the old Master of Whisperer, it would have made more sense if Littlefinger was the one who outed Varys. Only to have Arya kill him much later on after he's finished corrupting and using Dany. Bran Stark's arrival to Winterfell could have been delayed, and Littlefinger could have made an excuse to venture back to the Eyrie once the North had been secured, only to actually sneak and try to ally himself with Dany after finding out from his connections that the Mother of Dragons has arrived to Westeros. Littlefinger dieing at the founding of the new small council would have been more satisfying. If we see him trying to elect himself for the position of King with the backing of the Eyrie, Bran could have revealed to everyone Littlefinger's role in starting things in motion since the beginning. Arya's kill on Littlefinger should have been saved till the very end since he was never on her list and didn't know about Littlefinger's role.
If Cersei really needed to be the big final boss, at least have her plan something, I just can't believe ballista bolts is all she had. She has a mad man that can revive the dead. She has wild fire at her disposal. Why not catapults or trebuchets of wild fire? Maybe have her Hand of the Queen revive more dead people after studying the remains of the wight or figure a connection of putting a dragon glass dagger into a human. He could have been experimenting with dragon glass after finding out dragon glass kills the army of the dead.
Whenever I look back on season 7 and 8, I always wonder what could have been. But the final 2 seasons don't have witty people playing the Game of Thrones. The last 2 seasons fail in writing, dialogue, pacing, and a majority of the time common sense. The actors, the sets, and the crew were great, but the show runners did not do the story justice. Rather than having the ending in mind since season 1, it was contrived based on plot points GRRM told them and I feel like they didn't bother connecting these character arcs and plot points well enough to a satisfying conclusion. They can blame GRRM, but before they adapted it into a show, they should have always known that he's a slow writer. If they wanted to do the story justice, they needed to have the story they would tell down before season 4 ended. They had a span of 4 years, to plot the course, but they only write as they go. They only focus on one season at a time without the whole narrative in mind and wrote themselves in a corner the same way George did. I know they needed to move onto other projects, but the least the could have done was to hire on another show runner/writer to help tie things together and maybe carry on the show for maybe 1 or 2 more seasons. 7 and 8 are rushed and a majority of the time lack coherence.
Read the whole thing, and your ideas, even if they had only used 1/10th would have made the last season's so much better.
Only thing I disagree with is the Dothraki did die in The Long Night. Then they got better.
As always this season so far Marissa is bringing up all the right points
My opinion is that she has the WORST opinions.
Your opinion about others' opinions is your opinion, so respect everyone else's opinions and be careful while displaying your opinion.
I always agree with what Marissa has to say, but that is my opinion.
My opinion is that your opinions about others opinions are in fact wrong opinions about opinions.
That epilogue was even worse than the sudden murder of Danaerys... I mean, that small council? With totally corrupt Bronn? Even Cersei managed to get a better one.
This was a great discussion btw. Marissa has a great perspective which is different, and makes the discussion much more of a discussion. And money and cricket are awesome as always.
This is my imagination for the small council. Bronn whole subplot is dropped, Tyrion picks him as Master of War. But the first thing Bronn demands is where is my fucking castle. Enter King Bran he says council looks empty, Tyion responds we are looking for suitable candidates. King Bran responds curtly we don't need a Master of Whispers, everyone looks shocked then king Bran looks at Bronn and says 'Ser Bronn I am aware that you are looking for a home and a wife, I offer you the Twins, it is two castles which fulfills the promises given to you by Lord Tyrion and Ser Jaime and you will also find a wife amongst the Frey woman'. Bronn is stumped, Tyrion smiles and says wise decision your grace Bronn is pissed. King leaves everyone realizes Bran is not a pushover they even look frightened as there will never be any secrets from this king, in one stroke Bran both punished and rewarded Bronn's greediness as the Twins is a shit castle and marrying a Frey is no reward. Bran is wise in his robotic way, in his first political decision he shuts down the cut throat from further scheming and gives him a punishment in a form of reward to keep him in line. There is hope after all.
Bran sent Jon to the wall not to appease Greyworm, but because Jon didn’t pet Ghost!!
Angus Norton logical
"I wish she would have sat on it." We all do, Beau. We all do.
Drogon in one episode received the best character development out of all the characters this season.
In a show with magic, dragons, and ice zombies, it's bizarre that the most unbelievable thing is the behavior of the characters in season 8.
Drogon had the most believable story arc.
Jon: I don't understand what she's telling them.
Tyrion: You know nothing, Jon Snow
I understood that reference!
Bran when talking to little finger quoted him. "chaos is a ladder" I think this wasn't just a threat to little finger, but forshadowing him becoming king.
Guys, Westeros just turned into a Mass Surveillance Theocracy ruled by the near immortal Three eyed raven. Oh, and guess what, most monarchies stared as elective monarchies. When Bran finally dies, the next raven will probably become king.
And he basically manipulated everything to become king. How is that the best idea?
I don’t think Bran has a long life. The thing that kept the previous three eyed raven/crow alive was being connected to the weirwood roots
Dragons *are* smart. They're only spoken about as intelligent beings and they're magical! But, I still think Drogon would have killed Jon, the person who killed his mother/rider! Even a dog would have!
Random Videos hold up. Let’s not give him too much intellectual credit because a couple hours earlier he was super chill with grilling half of King’s Landing so yeah let’s just pretend he thought the throne did it.
semirgj LMAO deadass and like yall really out here giving d&d this much credit??? i have to laugh
@@semirgj because Dany wanted him to. But I know what you mean, I guess he could have refused. Drogon would be grieving for all of the same losses as Dany too.
Random Videos George RR Martin already said that dragons in ASOIAF are not smart. They just have that special connection/bond with their riders but they’re not smart. George was asked if who would won between Smaug and Drogon (or it was Balerion I “kind of forgot”), he said Smaug would in because although they’re both powerful Smaug is a smart dragon.
Random Videos George RR Martin already said that dragons in ASOIAF are not smart. They just have that special connection/bond with their riders but they’re not smart. George was asked if who would won between Smaug and Drogon (or it was Balerion I “kind of forgot”), he said Smaug would win because although they’re both powerful Smaug is a smart dragon.
Don't cry for Cersi lol. A million per episode. Best job ever.
*sersy
And she wasn't even in every episode as well! The last episode was probably one afternoon shooting her and Jamie in the rubble. And the massacre of King's Landing was mostly a series of Cersei looking increasingly distraught from the balcony. She is amazingly good at 'looks', but she has her price.
@@juliankiz No, Cersi
Monkey Tron you’re both wrong. It’s Cersei
Monkey Tron does that include the last episode? Could have been a prosthetic head and saved them 1MM
Nerd Soup: I love how unexpected and sudden Arya killed the NK
Also Nerd Soup: I was unsatisfied with how sudden Deanearys died.
Ha! I do find it odd how the show is being criticised for being too predictable and fan-servicey while simultaneously being criticised for being subversive. When the hype and the hate dies down on the internet I think this season will be judged more fairly in the future. There's plenty to criticise (mainly any scene with Euron) but the reaction has been over the top.
Nerd Soup have done a great job though. I tend to agree with Aaron more than Bo (and not with Marissa at all) but it's great to hear sensible and civilised discussions regarding GoT this season. That has been a genuine rarity on TH-cam.
@@GUV85 If anything it'll get worse and once the books come out the show we'll be absolutely spat on.
@@HolyTurtleOfDoom If GRRM ever finishes them.
Well, I could argue that dany is a much more fleshed out character that the audience cares about.
The Night King? Yeah, he is badass and all but to be honest he is only here to give the army of the dead a face. He isn't really a character.
@@GUV85 this comment has not aged well
It would've been great if Jon said, "The Lannisters send their regards"
Jon is not back at the Night's Watch. He went beyond the wall with wildlings, king beyond the wall, to live free.
J Ski did u watch the video? Lmao
No he is too honorable. Have you been paying attention to his character?
@@lyonlyon2715 Yea, but you obviously haven't because his last act was to do a dishonorable action to save his family and the people. Jon was always about truth, honor and keeping his oaths, to the point where he wouldn't even lie to Cersei and denied not pledging to either queen, saying that he had already bent the knee to Daenerys. In the end he had to do a dishonorable thing, by breaking his oath to Danerys, killing his queen, lover and own family member.
@@lyonlyon2715 That's why one of Jon's last conversations with Tyrion he was extremely torn about whether he made the right decision killing his queen, because he knew it was dishonorable. He definitely abandoned the Night's Watch and Sansa rules the North and Bran rules the other six kingdoms.
Once again Bran isn’t Bran anymore. He’s the Three Eyed Raven. He’s a collective mind.
Is that true in the books?
Tyler Boliver who cares still a wasted boring ass character
@@jaybeck3803 the show kinda forgot
Jon Snow is now The Last Targaryen. By killing Daenerys and swearing to not father any children, Jon has effectively ended the great Targaryen dynasty by his own hand, and launching the Starks to take their place.
The thing to remember regarding to the Night's Watch is no one in the south saw it as anything but a hell hole to send the unwanted people. The actual "reason" for the Night's Watch: The Night King and the White Walkers, were never a consideration for why the Seven Kingdoms sent people there. So it was exile and service until death that was considered the realm's harshest non-lethal penalty.
Its been 10k years since the long night, so after several hundred years or so the night's watch lost its true meaning sure, but still doesnt change the fact that they literally serve no purpose now. And jon straight up deserts it as soon as he gets there lol
"The Wire" ended well so HBO definitely knows how to conclude a show.
so did the Sopranos.
Jamie is the real hero, without him, Bran doesn't become the Raven/King.... you're welcome!
Jaime the king maker
Jaime failed cuz that boring little fucker should’ve died
Chris Lopez Agreed 100%
Aaron Rodgers said the dudes are too busy with Star Wars to care about
last season of GoT. Can't wait to see their horrible vision applied to a
busted Star Wars universe.
Noah Bird
oh well, if Aaron Rodgers said it, we better treat that as gospel.
Lostin Thegarden Just today, a work mate said Disney owns D&D, so Disney made them cut it short: BREAKING. 😂
Noah Bird
meh I just hate Aaron Rodgers
In episode 5 there were a couple of long silence and stare downs. ..i was like,what the hell yall looking at get on with it already 😂😂
Thanks guys this has been my go to channel for almost 2 years a big thank you and look forward in supporting you in the future.
I completely agree that if we were given more seasons/episodes, many of us would feel a lot better about the ending but we feel unsatisfied because it was so rushed and they didn’t give us proper development.
With that being said I still have a few issues with certain things. I dislike that they made so many viewers (on some reaction channels I’ve seen) feel sad during Cersei’s death and cheer for Dany’s death. Dany’s death should’ve still been tragic and sad although it was necessary and Cersei’s should’ve been seen as more of a triumph because of everything she has done from the beginning of the show.
Also they’re justifying Dany’s madness by pointing out the actions she took on the slavers and the burning of the khals etc. Saying she was mad all along but no one feels that way about Arya considering she poisoned all of house frey and killed walker Frey’s sons and baked them in a pie and fed it to him!! That’s not exactly sanity. Had Arya had a dragon she would’ve burned house Frey instead of poisoning them. I would be okay with Dany going mad by her power but for them to use her past actions as justification without saying the same for all the other characters who did horrible things isn’t fair to her character.
Also the Dothraki would’ve done something to avenge her. They wouldn’t have let Jon live. It goes against who they are. It just didn’t make sense that they arrested Jon while they were still on control.
Thank you guys for your reviews/discussions. I enjoy hearing your thoughts. You guys are my favorite.
Nicholas Basterrechea Thank you! I feel the exact same. The buildup to the mad queen failed because she was being judged for personality traits that were not nearly as bad as the other evil characters on the show. Double standards everywhere.
EP114587 you’re right. But that’s not what I said. I was talking about all of the things Dany did prior to that. To the slave masters and the khals she burned because they wanted to harm her. People are using that as foreshadowing her going mad but they don’t think other characters like Arya are going mad for doing equally brutal things to their enemies who are not innocent. Daenerys locked up her dragons because a child was found burned to death. She never harmed innocents before. She was always for the people prior to her burning everyone in Kings Landing. She literally sacrificed her dragons/children and put herself and her armies lives at stake for the greater good so many times.
Edmure Tully got laughed at like de Blasio's 2020 election bid
you mean Biden
I thought it was clear that Jon was brought back to kill Daenerys, and that was the Azor Ahai moment which led to a new dawn in Westeros.
Tempering the Sword in Water = Fighting the WW
Driving the Sword into a Lion = Fighting Cersei
Driving the Sword into his wife Nissa Nissa = Killing Daenerys
I actually thought the Edmure scene was funny because him even being there felt so out of left field. But they just had one of the shows biggest deaths ever. Give us some time to breath ffs. We should've had one or two scenes of reflection before the time jump.
You guys rock, and have become my favorite TH-cam channel. Thank you all so much for your passion and hard work! I can’t wait to see what big projects you have cooking!
Hard disagree, given the amount of time and resources at their disposal, there's no excuse for bad writing even just having broad outline, except that they're bad writers
Thank you for everything Nerd Soup! 🐐🐐
Thanks for some very nice soup through the anti-climactic long night!! Atleast your discussions didn’t feel rushed unlike the final season.. ThankGod for small mercies🌚
I like the idea of Sansa marrying Podrick. After the Ramsey experience, she would get a lifetime of great sex. That would be a VERY happy ending for Sansa.
After the Ramsey experience, i.e. rape, she might not be interested in any type of sex. Probably the last thing on her mind.
I find it kind of annoying that people keep wishing Sansa ended up with this guy or that guy, like that's the only way she could have a happy ending.
TiliaCordata you’re projecting
Why does Sansa need a man to be happy? She got the North and all the power after all of her struggles through her own effort. Besides it looked like Pod was knighted into the Kingsguard and they cannot marry.
@@deet917 "Power is better than sex"© - Littlefinger, probably.
On Podrick being part of the Kingsguard- wasn't Jaime like 16 when he joined?
Yea, but also Pod. They didn’t do as good a job showing his improvement as they did his ineptitude I think lol. I love Pod tho.
This season all they did with Pod was show him kicking ass against the undead/another soldier, singing, and having a threesome. By the super-rushed standards of this season (as well at the god-awful choreography of most of Jaime's fight scenes) Pod is more than qualified now.
It was snow not ash. When Jon lowered Danny down after he killed her a single snowflake landed on her cheek and melted
It didnt look like ash at all, i didnt get why people thought that
@@Karlonstark bc a random snow storm out of nowhere that lasted 1 day makes equally less sense. I agree that its snow, but its still really dumb. Especially drogon somehow being covered in it after a couple minutes, besides the fact that im sure a fire breathing dragon's body temp would be too high for a light snow fall to cover him. Nothing makes sense this season
There was no snow before and after that scene and the color looks kinda grey-ish, thats why I thought it was ash and not snow
And awww, Brianne fixed Jamie's pages in the Book of the Brothers and even added pages more to record his heroic deeds and also showed her love and respect for him will never die. That was such a great scene.
What the hell kind of King name is “Bran the Broken”. And I like how the only person that has never shown any sort of leadership is unanimously voted king. Also worth mentioning that since the north succeeded he is a foreigner
Cheers guys to this last GoT discussion. Y’alls vids are awesome
I think the point is that there is now no particular singular ruling body, its more of a government at this point, with Tyrion as a 'prime minister' role. I think it's great
IAmRedherrings yeah idk, I feel bran would be better as master of whispers, for obvious reason, that’s just my opinion tho
Bo and Aaron first review: "Great episode. A little rushed, but I liked it."
Bo and Aaron when Marissa tells it like it is: "Yeah, it was shit, wasn't it?"
This season was paced either too slowly or too quickly, the pacing was completely off.
Adi V slowly? Df u on they ran thru this shit
@@chrislopez5301 Tyrion walking through the rubble for like 15 minutes, and him fixing chairs etc..... It was just so slow after being so fast, I'm about to throw up.
“Marissa, I’m assuming you weren’t thrilled...” What. A. Shocker. She hates it again....
Just like everyone else, why the sarcasm?
As much as I don't like seasons 7 and 8, we can't blame only D&D. How can we expect them to finish such a big story while the creator himself can't.
Also a few words about other aspects. Everything from directing to acting was spot on. Actors were fantastic as always. Especially Emilia. Even though Dany's descent into madness was written poorly, she managed to sell this narrative convincingly, and half the audience bought it. Also Ramin Djawadi's score was incredible. Especially in throne room scene.
In all fairness, George wanted between 10 and 13 seasons and D&D wanted 7. So they negotiated it to 8 seasons instead. But you're right the acting, score and everything else was exceptional but less than adequate writing kind of puts a downer on all the great parts of the show.
Jaguar King I agree. Why the hell didn’t he finish his books. What was he doing that he expected the world to wait for him. By the time he finishes the majority of people will be game of WHAT and that show a few years ago was terrible. You are supposed to strike when the iron is hot as they say. Not after the stink is set in for years. Most people will have moved on and will not care
Bran the broken is pretty cocky.. Tyrion asking Bran if he would accept the crow.. “why do you think I came here?”
Pshhh
I bet Marissa's thoughts mirror my own. In a more concise (non throwing TV away) kind of a way. 😊
I also noticed how Jon, when he says goodbye to his family, he looks exactly the same way he did in S1 E1 when he left for The Wall with Tyrion, hair out instead of tied and similar clothing.
Imagine Jon's resurrection scene but he just doesn't wake up. That would have been hilarious!
Best ten years ever thanks to you guys too, this felt like the shortest podcast ever. Love you guys.
Can u do reviews of the episodes of True Detective Season 1?
This is a great request, and True Detective season 1 is one of the best stories put to film. Also, weird parallel, but Carcosa is not only in True Detective, but is also the name of a town or city or something in the expanded map to the East of Westeros, as well as a nod to H.P. Lovecraft.
@@Cocpain season 2 is the best
@@roscojenkins7451 LOL, that is rich, you sir are hilarious.
@@Cocpain lol yea that's like tell lvl 3
Nerd Soup people, thank you so much for sharing all your opinions on the
REAL Neverending Story. I have enjoyed all these reviews and spoiler
discussions VERY much, particularly for the balance between measured
analysis and honest gut-reaction that makes them interesting and
relatable. Looking forward to catching up on the podcasts about other matters! Keep talking, folks. Soupy twist!
Needed a Maritza take so bad!
juan castillo I rarely agree with her opinions but I am always moved by her words and have such respect for the way she expresses herself!! She makes me understand the other side of things without making me feel attacked??? If that makes any sense at all.
@@mollybells1202 I completely agree with you. At first I didn't really like her takes, until a realize she wasn't afraid to have a different opinion than the rest of the guys, and I can really respect that.
I kind of thought the only reason everyone voted for Bran was that they found him the least threatening, most unassuming, and would allow them to all be quiet and rebuild for a while. That probably wasn’t the writers’ intentions, but it at least makes some sense.
Also, I certainly wouldn’t want to be ruling after the past several rulers... Robert, Joffrey, Tommen, Margaery, Cersei, Dany. Being the ruler of Westeros shortens your life span exponentially 😂🤷🏼♀️ Only Edmure was foolish enough to want it
I would have loved it if they did 10 seasons. Season 7 could have ended with the cliffhanger of the Long Night Battle of WinterFell. Season 8 Midseason is the defeat of the Night King. Rest of Season 8 is Danny marching on towards Kings Landing and giving hints of her madness. Season 9 is the siege of KingsLanding and showing the madness and frustration of Danny ending in the defeat of Cersi. Season 10 is Varys plotting against her and showing how the people will accept the rule of Mad Danny. Midseason is the death of Varys and the North and other Lords planning a rebellion. In the Pen ultimate episode Jon saves thousands of lives by Killing his Queen. Then the last Episode is all the Lords coming together to crown a New King!
I enjoyed ALL of your GoT Videos...Have no fear, I will be following you guys going forward as well. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH for your time and dedication to solid GoT material. BOOM!
Why hasn't anyone told Grey Worm about Butterfly fever? Do they know? Is that the point?
Martin Glynn why he should die anyways
please never change that intro, because this IS the best soup one could hope for! it's actually soup so good it makes this shitshow season likable and makes me feel better about watching it. cheers!
I understand the poetics and idea of having Bran as king. Essentially A Song of Ice and Fire is strictly written in POV's. One of the most important themes of the story is that there is no clear good or evil. Everyone has his or her own story and viewpoint. This creates the conflict which makes us see certain people or factions as good or bad (the good or bad invaders, good or bad Jamie,...) So GRRM's solution is some mythical three eyed raven who knows and sees all, and in theory has perfect empathy, because he can know (or maybe passively knows already) everyone's personal story, and so he has in a way ascended subjectivity and bias.
On the other hand, you can flip it to a dark Bran-version. He knows and sees everyone, manipulates chess pieces to gain power. And the moment in season 7 when he gives back Littlefinger's famous 'chaos is a ladder' line could be seen as having a darker layer. It was not just something to startle Littlefinger, but might also be what he believes. Seen from this side he is an Uber-Littlefinger... Thinking of all possibilities and steering the chaos to create a vacuum. And then roll into that vacuum at the most opportune moment, with some hot Targaryen-inspired wheels in the mix.
This is the best explanation I've seen so far. This makes so much sense.
Bran seemed more like a passive observer knowing where this would all end up but kept his mouth shut. If he would have stopped Dany then cersi would be in power. He knew that Dany would break the wheel and he would be the only one to ensure that it would remain broken by setting a president, George Washington like. It wasn't any choice but he choose the lesser of two evils.
You guys are awesome. I've been listening for a while but season 6 and on, I've binged. You guys bring it all- the quality, humor and research. I'm gonna miss your got videos
Apart from season 8 (obviously) I did watch them all back to back. 7 really stood out as bad. Try it.
Found you guys earlier this year a few weeks before the season 8 premier. Kept me company through many hours of class. I hope we get to hear you talk Thrones some more soon!
I will not tolerate any slander of The Wire season 2, its arguably the second best season behind the 4th and people who use it as an example of a not so great season of a great show are talking out their ASS.
Is that the season at the docks with the union workers? I loved that season. Kiva has that undercover op. Such an underrated season.
So Marissa is like the parmesan cheese for our olive garden soup?
Never to much. love you guys and all the content! I'm excited for what comes next
A show with 6 perfect seasons. I raise you Gossip Girl
Thanks guys I’ve loved your reviews and discussions, it’s the best on TH-cam the ultimate companion for the show, cane wait to see what you do in future. All the best 👍🏻👍🏻
The character arcs were shot down faster than the 2nd dragon. None of the legends or prophesies were explained nor realized...
...and what was the cryptic meaning behind Littlefinger's monologue to Varys about the Iron Throne being a lie? Forever doomed to obscurity. It felt like I was watching a completely disconnected series from the previous 7 seasons. Total hack job.
Indeed.
LYNNSTER1971 the message behind his monologue about the throne being a lie needed more explanation why? It was very explicitly obvious what that meant and wasn’t smth meant to lead into anything else, but to give context to his character and actions? See, this season was undoubtedly rushed beyond justification, but people coming out with the absolute stupidest of complaints now are really contributing to how irrational the hate is for this season.
Um...what was cryptic about that speech?
Varys serves the realm. Littlefinger sows chaos to gain power. The Throne doesn't really have 1000 swords but men believe it because thats the story. As in "power resides where men believe it resides." And the realm is like the chair. Meaningless. It isn't one culture, it's seven cultures who believe themselves to be one Kingdom because people are all afraid of each of the other kingdoms joining the king to take them out. It's the same meaning as the riddle Tyrion told "A rich man, a priest, and a king walk into a bar and yatta yatta they try to get the sell sword to kill the others, who has the power?"
And it's the sell sword, but the sell sword believes they have the power.
Not to mention the white horse that Arya rode at then end of episode 5 what did that mean? I guess the writers knew we liked discussing theories so they didn't explain anything . Which would allow us to continue indefinitely haha
@@shahrezaziz3264 the entire series was rife with symbolism and hidden meanings that were far more covert than Littlefinger's monologue. I guess all the other inuendos must be 'stupid' to posit as well. Hmmm...
you guys are so much more critical of the episode here than you were on the other S8E6 review. I appreciate all that you have done and I have truly enjoyed your thoughts on the previous seasons, I have been subscribed for at least 2-3 years. I really liked the Animated episodes that you did hope you get back to that sometime soon.