2025 Ram 2500 3500 8 speed transmission with a new Cummins gas and Diesel engine? Ram has a surprise
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- Ram is getting some big upgrades for the 2025 Model year trucks! New diesel engine and possibly a new gas engine? 8 speed transmissions will replace the older 6 speed 68RFE powertrain. This will be a huge upgrade for Ram owners!
@TFLtruck also bringing some great content on this new potential Gas cummins engine. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
If Cummins makes a gas turbo straight 6 I’ll be first in line to order one. Forget diesel, the gooberment messed that all up.
I hope it happens!
Im with you! Only way Id prib ever buy a 3/4 gas
They are, it’s offical.
@@YaOkay69 sweet 👌
My 13 Ram is the best truck I’ve ever owned. 68 RFE and 300,000 on it. Still towing heavy and pulling strong. Exceptional engine. Will never replace my Cummins diesel with a gasser. Truck has never been in the shop except to change the transmission fluid and filter.
Good stuff, you got a great truck! no issues with my 68RFE either! Thanks for watching!
My friends 68rfe can barely make 200,000 not towing the ones that tow a lot make to 100,000 if lucky don’t people that it will hold up to heavy towing because it doesn’t
@@PopCorn-ei5bj nothing you just typed makes any sense. Joe Biden voter?
@@PopCorn-ei5bj 🧢 all depends how you maintain it I guess, I have a 2012 ram 3500 mega a cab stock engine and transmission with over 100k and it’s doing great towing everyday 🤌
I bought my 2002 brand new best truck I've ever owned 5.9 Cummins is a strong durable engine it has 335659 on it still running strong nothing major has been done to the motor I tow a 10,000 lbs camper several times a summer the 6 speed manual trans is a good trans also I've had the fluid changed every 100000 miles !
I sure hope so. 2025 needs a new cab but a new Cummins gas/diesel engine would be epic!
Yes sir!
I understand wanting new but I honestly have no issues with my 2015 3500 drw G56 fourth gen cab.
68RFE I believe was a good transmission. The problem is Cummins owners think their truck are Freightliner’s and beat the hell out of them.
my 68RFE has 45k trouble free miles on it!
The 68RFE will hold for stock power, and staying within the limits. Start dropping tons of power, and they literally fall apart.
@@CTECH-REVIEWmine has 193,000 and runs, drive and shifts like the day I drove it off the lot. Never laid a wrench on the motor or trans.
I wish I had that luck. I intentionally drive the trucks easy for no expensive repairs but 90k miles the tranny went kaput. I’m a ford guy but for some reason the Cummins give me big rig feelings.
i love my ram 68rfe , like buddy said up top, don't modify it to much , can increase the power the right way an that truck with the 68 will last awhile.
Love how ram does the HD trucks
Yes sir!
Love how they haven't changed much since 2011.
The inline cummins gas engine would bridge the gap between diesel engines and the currently available gas engines. A lot of diesel guys like myself will probably make the switch. I really hope they do this because i would love to have capable truck without emissions.
I agree!!
Not getting that. Do you really think the gas engines wouldn’t have catalytic converters and other gas emission systems?
@GORT70 I've seen pictures / specs. of the Cummins gas engine, which is going to be called the B6.7 octane engine. Inline 6 turbocharged DOHC dual cam phasers, GDI, aluminum head, and NO EGR! Base engine will be very similar to the diesel, just a piston change. Emissions will be one single three-way catalyst behind the turbo and that's it! I REALLY hope they offer this engine in the RAM truck! I saw ratings of up to 325HP & 660lb.ft. of torque which would destroy any other gas engine in the towing department.
If they do gas it really needs twin turbos. Build the engine to accept good boost numbers and build the turbos to create more torque than horsepower.
That would be incredible!
Then what's the point of the diesel.
@@fordmud the diesel will still be tyne king of towing and distance.
But the gas cummins would be a good truck for light towing and heavy payloads
Na just an engine with plenty of power. That’s more stuff to tear up and fail .
Graphite engines from 2019s and up with the Cummins are bound for many internal issues. They need to rethink that one.
Thanks for watching!
If Ram would beef up their chassis, brakes and suspension components they would really be at the top of the segment. From my experiences it seems like the Cummins and Aisin transmissions are the only good things going for the HDs.
I would agree!
Cummins makes great engines for big trucks and agriculture and industrial equipment. It will be cool to see a gas engine by cummins since their using a ZF transmission, I would Definitly consider a Ram but for now im sticking with my 2000 Dodge Dakota with the 3.9 Magnum V6.
There’s already loads of LP and Natural Gas 5.9 Cummins powered yard trucks all over the US.
From Moparinsider's,
1. Same cab from A-pillar back
2. standard output going away from a singular engine output that is thought to have higher numbers than the current "high output" engines.
3. 6.4 Hemi will remain for the gasoline engine option
Thank you for the comment!
So they're sticking with the cab from 2010? Ugh!
There sure is a lot of SPECULATION going on here!!
Thank you for watching!
The HD ZF 8-speed seems set in stone to replace the Aisin.
Its a sin to have a automatic behind a Cummins!!!! Bring back the stick shift Cummins!!!
haha Touche! Thanks for watching!
Love the options, totally pro choice when it comes to what’s under the hood. We need to collectively fight against the EPA tho and regain our freedom of choice with destructive emission controls that do more harm than good.
Let freedom ring! Thanks for watching!
I like what I have seen in the new ZF video and it was in a RAM truck
ZF makes great transmissions!
Was really hoping for a diesel based hybrid.
Same!
That is great news. I have 2023 Ram 3500 Limited HO 6.7 DRW and only thing that is lacking is the mpg with 6 speed. I get around 15.5 mpg driving empty and some payloads. i would be happy with about 17 mpg
Thanks for watching!
There would be negligible mileage gains with an 8 speed. They have a near identical final ratio
@@wyo_garage20They can spec it with a different gear in the rear end. More gears allow you to rely on a massive first and second for getting you going with a load without needing a 4.10 rear end.
@@joerapo Understood. But unless that guy ordered it with 4.10’s, it’s likely got 3.73’s. If that’s the case, he should be well over 15.5 and tells me his driving style would be a drastic change itself; these routinely pull upper teens with ease. We also all remember when they ran 3.42 and got worse mileage than 3.73…
Maybe they change rears but hope they keep 3.73. With an assumed 4.89 first gear, that’s a stump puller
Everyone wanting an updated/bigger cab and I'm buying Ram because its the only 4-door short bed HD truck that fits in my garage. 😂
haha That is a great point!
Exactly. Finally someone brings it up. You're making parking and maneuverability worse by adding bed length, it's not a win win.
Same here! 😂
For all of yall that want the multi speed auto fine, your money. I just wish they would bring back a manual transmission like an Eaton manual. Though I haven't had any issues with the G56 in my 2015 3500 drw. It's even better when I replaced the dual mass fly wheel and clutch with a single mass fly wheel kit. But I'm old school so get over it.
I wish they would bring back a manual trans too! that was a huge staple for ram for a long time.
Agreed. I missed the boat buying one during the last year they made them.
I think they are keeping to Aisin for the H.O. due to its torque numbers. If they keep the old cab, I’ll get a mega. The Megacab is iconic in the HD truck community.
I am looking forward to seeing the release!
No the mega crew needs to go and just make a bigger crew like ford and gm
@@843MudMafia. I partially agree. I still like the Mega cab. It’s the one thing the other manufacturers don’t have. North Myrtle Beach 😎
@@DarkHorse08 they cab all most as big or bigger tho
The new 8 speed is rated at ~1,000 ft-lbs & 57,000 lbs, I don’t think they’ll “need” to keep the Aisin in the lineup. 🤷♂️
I think the 2nd and 5th Gens are the best looking. I'd love to see a hybrid 5th and 2nd gen look 😍
Good choice!
What about the cummins block issues have they went back to old design or still using that new one that stretches
Good question!
In my opinion, beings that stellantis is focusing extensively on CAFE numbers and pretty much nothing but inline 6 engines now. It would make sense to me if they put the HD ZF behind one single high output Cummins Diesel and the already outgoing ZF behind a gas Cummins. Main reason for that is because the smaller ZF is made to handle a lot more RPMs than what the big one can
Great points! CAFE is a big deal for Stelantis right now as there fleet is the least efficient vs their competitors.
All the 8-speed gains is a super low 1st and an extra gear at greater than 1:1. It’ll still have 2 overdrive gears and the same final drive (0.64:1). It won’t improve fuel economy over the current 6-speed…. Now I WISH the 8 speed had a final “hyperdrive” gear, about 0.54:1, which would drop the Cummins to 1600 RPM at the common interstate speed of 80 mph. It would only be viable unloaded, but my ears would perk up for that.
It will be fun to watch this come out! Zf builds good stuff!
My guess is that Ram will release a hybrid 2500 with a gas 6.7. The PowerLine 8AT transmission was designed to have an integrated electric motor and stelantis already has a partnership with Samsung batteries so I think the possibility is there. Just a guess, would love to hear everyone's opinions
That would be a wild setup! time will tell, thanks for watchiing!
I just read that Cummins will only have an HO engine in 2025 and offer one transmission. There is a little talk about a 7.1L for size.
That would be interesting! Thanks for watching!
The problem with the new cab is they don’t have a single cab configuration for it, and many companies buying them for fleet vehicles want a single cab. It’s the same reason the 1500 classic is still being built, to provide a single cab option to fleet buyers. So unless they come up with a single cab version of the new cab, or come out with an entirely new cab altogether, I don’t see the current cab going away anytime soon
That is a great point, thank you for sharing that perspective!
We get to say bye-bye to the 1500 Classic in 2025.
140k and only 1 issue and it was my fault from when I changed the fluid and filter. As long as you change the fluid and filter every 50k you should get a lot of miles out of the transmission.
Great point! That is the key!!
They are keeping this old cab just to continue offering the Mega Cab?
Ram's short beds are 6-7 inches shorter than the competition.
They need the cab from the 1500 and a 6'9" bed for the short bed.
An 8sp transmission is a good start.
I agree!
The short bed is 6.4 feet. The superduty is 6.7 and the GM is 6 feet 9 inches. That’s a difference of about 4 inches.
@@oe542Ford is 6ft9 Chevy 6ft10.
Either way you look at, Ram is slacking on cab size, bed size, and transmissions
@oldnumber6 Larger bed means longer wheelbase /worse maneuverability. It's not always a good thing.
i wonder if my trans went theyd put this beast in instead of the 68 under warranty ?
Hard to say, would have to ask your dealer!
No😂😂😂😂 your truck does not not have the computers wiring or physical hardware to hook up to the 8speed😂😂😂😂😂
Will than new ZF 8 transmission fit on my 6.7 Cummins?
Great question! We will have to wait and see
I changed my trans filter, and fluid every 40,thounsand and trans lasted till 318 thousand there good
Good stuff right there!
Thought the 6.7 has was meant for commercial trucks for the time being? Wrong?
6.7l is used from class 2 all the way up to class 6 trucks i believe.
I don't know where that picture of that 6.7 gas engine is from but that is an X series engine that will not fit in the Ram pick up truck. That engine is designed for the big trucks. The torque output ranges from 1450 - 2050 lb ft. That amount of torque would destroy the Ram chassis. Also when you search Cummins website for a 6.7 gas engine nothing pulls up. Plus I work at Cummins and there has been no talk of a gas engine floating around but I will poke around and see what I can find. I'll update this comment if I find anything out.
Thank you for sharing that perspective, I had heard talk in the automotive industry about a cummins gas engine in the ram truck in the past, I hope its true!
@@CTECH-REVIEW Would be wild. Have you heard of the new engine line up in the 1500 Ram for 2025? That new inline twin turbo 6 cyl? I've always preferred inline engines over V engines. I feel they're more efficient in making power. I'm kind of considering one I just hate the rest of the truck so it's a hard choice lmao.
Heard a rumor there would be a Ram Diesel Hybrid... any truth or was this just a rumor?
I would like Cummins to make an opposing piston engine for pickup trucks.
that would be interesting!
I don't know why it hasn't happened?
My guess on why they keep the gen 4 body is beause of the Megacab, where I live that is a big seller & at a time when Stellantis is putting a ton of money into EV's, my guess is that they do not want to spend the money on a new Megacab & chassis for that cab?
Very possible! lets see what happens!
Ram could discontinue the mega cab if the went to the new one. I worked at a Ram dealer when the 2019 1500 first came out, and when I compared the 1500 cab with the mega cab, I had more room in the back seat of the 1500.
My opinion is Cummins is making a gas engine to replace the HEMI. That engine will be in the Power Wagon. I can also see the diesel Cummins having more horse power. Probably around 500 horsepower.
Its very possible! THank you for watching!
Where are you getting this information??
A lot of information has been shared on this setup! I hope some of it comes true! Thank you for watching!
Im gonna be really upset if they have a huge gas i6 in the new ram hds. I just bought an f350...
F350 is a sick truck. I wouldn’t let that bother you!
If I owned an f350 I’d be upset too 😂
@@oe542
Same
Wait a few years, that will give them times to work out the kinks anyway.
Yeah buddy 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸
Thanks for watching!
If the Cummins gas engines come along, I bet that Cummins had better be ready for the school bus makers to bust the doors down to get the gas engine.
Thanks for the comment!
if they do the gas with the new tranny and we see the 325 hp and 660 tq to start i think the skys the limit for this engine a little boost and more fuel can push it to 1000 lb ft easy . this engine wil be an 8-12k option it wont replace the 6.4 it will be a high cost option and a game changer because of its design to produce heaps of torque. it is very modest at 325 hp probably due to fuel economy reasons im guessing very low boostto just get that torque number up dudes r gonna build these to god knows what power
Great point!
New trans will have “auto park”, dash mounted shifter switch, and a “start stop” transmissions that shifts to neutral at every stoplight. Then no dipstick, hard to check fluid, “lifetime fluid gimmick”. New 8 speed is garbage. I’ll keep the 68rfe…
Thanks for watching!
I have two, different 8sps, 1500 and three a great transmission, the one I work the shit out of, overloaded most the time, and not one flaw, in its ability 149,000 already
The docs on the ZF Powerline have it listed for 1000lbft of torque capacity, less than the current Cummins HO. It would be a hard sell to only give customers 1000lbft going forward, though GM buyers don't seem to care. I really doubt we'll see the Cummins agnostic engine as a gasser in the HD Ram. It's just too expensive.
They will have to find a way to compete with ford and GM!
When can I order a 2025 Ram HD Truck?
Great question, I will keep you posted!
Will the cab finally be bigger on the HD Trucks in 2025?
Ram Also needs the 10 speed transmission
That would be great!
...I think that the cab changes drag a little over the 1500's is that guys buying the HD's are working them and are less concerned with cab specs....I know that I would be, whereas guys buying the 1500 tend to be more as a family rig and are more concerned with creature comforts etc. I don't know if a new gas six would be a thing as they currently have one in the Hurricane that has decent numbers...as far as reliability, if the Cummins gas thing is new as well then the Hurricane has more miles under it's belt and unless there are major issues with it I don't see spending money on re-tooling for an engine that may not have a big following...sure diesels have to deal with emissions junk ...but it's still an inline 6.7L...and that's a tough hill to climb.
That is a great point! a lot of truth to this! Thank you for watching!
I think Ram will ditch the aisin and make it all 8 speeds. Ho and So, sadly i dont think the cab will get changed yet. After all, the mega cab option is still as good as the competition. As far as the cummins gas engine, i think we are still at least 3 years away from that being a possibility. This zf trans has been getting tested in the ram HD for at least 5 years already. The rumor of the cummins gas engine only circulated a year or so ago, so I'd say it needs more time yet. Just my opinion.
I agree I think the aisin will be gone too. I also agree we won’t see a cab change for a few years unfortunately
Nope. The ZF does not have the toque numbers for the HO. 2024 was the last confirmed year for 68RFE. The ZF will be replacing that. The Aisin will stay.
Good intel, thanks for shairing!@@DarkHorse08
Do you know this, or is it just what you think?@DarkHorse08
@@jamespenner1412 The discontinuation of the 68RFE after 2024 was confirmed a long time ago.
That's it ? Upgrade the transmission to the back of the pack still
Thanks for watching!
If ram did not have Cummings no body would buy it
A lot of truth in this statement!
It's a CUMMINS - not cummings lmao
Ram does not and has never had a cummings😂😂😂😂😂😂
Unless they bring back the Slant 6 . Probably put 500,000 miles on them. Bulletproof. Another million on 5.9 Cummins. Otherwise, wouldn't own a Chrysler?!😅
@@davidbartrand7231 your in luck.2025 ram high output twin turbo 6cy gas. 500 plus hp
Ram HD is getting a 8 Speed ZF Powerline transmission.
Nailed it!
How bout Ram changes the cab and bet they have been using since 2010!! My 16 limited just looks so dated but wont buy a new one cause they havent updated the bed and cab. The new GMC and Superdutied look like at 90k truck. Ram looks like an updated 2011 60k truck.
I agree! I cant wait for a refresh!
The only issue I have with the Cummins is the truck surrounding it
I don’t mind mine, but I would prefer a Ford or GM body/bed more! Thanks for watching
Ram zf is best auto tranny. My f150 10spd is close.
100% agree, ZF feels like a better trans that my Ford 10sp.
It’s nice to see ram catching up to the competition
I agree!
Catching up ??? The CUMMINS is way better than the brand x trucks
@@bradhardy2629 well the point of the video was a new big displacement gas engine and a new transmission so…..ya
If there is a flaw , we will discover it behind the cummins . Let’s not get too excited until we see real world usage
I agree, thank you for watching!
They better do something quick that 1500 is Wrightof
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Biggest problem with Ram is their service departments, don't understand customer service!
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If ram put gas Cummins in their truck. Ford will loses my business.
Let’s see if this happens!
That’s a bit premature. Not everything Cummins does is great…see the 5.0L diesel V8 in the Titan. Fords 7.3L is bigger displacement and simple to work on. Better than a gas inline 6 in my opinion.
@@tylermacconnell217a v8 easier to work on than an inline 6? Nah- not even close.
In-line 6 are torque and smooooth!
Yes, at least equally easy. The Godzilla Ford is just like a Chevy LS very simple, two valves per cylinder, single cam, short timing chain. We’re not talking an inline 6 diesel vs a V8 diesel; I would agree with you then.
Thats what dodge has bin doing uptill now is try to make a good cab and forgot about the front end and transmission
Cummins motor is good
I think they got some tricks for us! Cummins is a great motor, I havent had one trans issue so far! finger crossed.
450 horse 1100 torque
nice!
My 2016's been high output forever now with an S467.7 turbo and the best transmission a G56
Beast mode!
Ram he needs a new cab and bed. Better hitch. Heads up display. Pano sunroof. They are outclassed. Only grasping at Cummins motor.
A new bed?🤣🤣🤣 Nine of your list needs replaced, although do agree the cab needs the new (now 5 year old) cab
Eff a sunroof.
I agree...I think a lot of this is going to happen soon! Thanks for watching!
All that and more to catch up. Pretty lines on the dash does not a great truck make.
@@SliderFury1 Catch up? Ram owns the truck market and it isn’t even close. Sure they fall short in power ratings and yet, are THE best towing platform out there.
Catch up 🤣
Oh my God, you used the word regardless correctly. Sorry my dad was an English teacher it was a horrible way to grow up. How about toward.
haha,
Thanks for watching!!
Cummins just a name there not as reliable as people say they are I worked on those fucking things on a daily basis
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should focuse on making emissions more reliable!!! thats whats killen new diesels!!!!!
I completely agree!
They should have a 10 or 12 speed not 8
I’m curious what they release it with.
The cab thing is pissing me off. WTF is taking them so long? It's time for a new truck, and even my 13 yr old is too tall to be comfortable in that stupid middle seat in the back.
They are behind, I hope it happens soon!
The gas isn’t coming this year. I hope they do the 6.7 gas in a couple years. My god, would be an incredible rig.
Can't beat diesel for towing economy
@@garreysellars5525 No doubt. However, with the insane prices on emissions laden diesels, combined with sometimes iffy emissions systems, a 6.7 gas torque monster would be a VERY nice alternative. It’s drop-in ready to go, really needs emissions testing.
And, since it’s a 6.7 Cummins, turbo setups will be simple. A turbocharged 6.7 gas would destroy anything in overall use. May not rev as fast as a typical gasser but it would be rock solid.
I hope it happens! This could be a game changer for HD truck market.
@@CTECH-REVIEW why would you want to go back to petrol
6.7. 550 HP
1100 ft pounds of torque
9.8 lit per 100 Ks
No smoke
@@garreysellars5525where are you getting those specs? Only aftermarket. Besides with all the reliability problems my egr/dpf diesel machinery has; I want nothing to do with a diesel pickup
Cummins already has had gas engines for years.
They got a new one also!
@@CTECH-REVIEW id love to see how it does
I believe they're only in generators if I'm not mistaken.
In my opinion Cummins hasn't made a good engine since EGR and DEF was mandated. And I've owned both in a Ram and a Class 8 truck.
Thank you for your comment!
Ram trucks are junk Cummins lifter issues have been a real problem. 5 years behind on transmission options. Feels like I’m driving a 20-year-old truck.
Maybe we can get classic car insurance rates soon! haha
173k miles flawless miles on my 68rfe trans. Towing 30 foot fifth wheel with a 21 foot ski boat behind it all over west side of US. Tows like a dream. The thing i love most about the 68 is i can pull it rebuild it and have it back in the truck in a day. I have been a ram diesel mechanic for 10 years and have seen more Aisain transmissions fall apart than the 68. Usually 68 issues are valve body related most the time. People have given it a bad name but with minor changes it can be pretty bullet proof. Also i run a 200 horse tune with stage 1 80 horse injectors. Truck runs and drives amazing and pulls hills like it's unloaded. Had it 6 years now. Always starts and is always ready to pull anything ( and j do mean anything) without issues. Been a super reliable truck.
That is a great comment! I love my 68RFE also! no issues!
Cummins isn’t what it used to be!! Look at the junk they put in the Nissan Titan!
That titan engine seems to be a big miss, my cummins has been awesome. I love it!
Screw Dodge Lambs
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Can’t wait to see all you gas engine sell-outs say yes to an electric truck too.
It will happen! I agree. Thank you for watching!
Hopefully Dodge/RAM won't go woke with a Pride vehicle like Ford and GM has in the past. Hopefully they have seen and understand what happened to Busch Lite beer.
Thanks for watching! My ram has been treating me well!
Ram / Dodge need to drop the Stellantis and go back to being American and building what customers want . The EPA is not the customer.
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but they are the law and thats awful hard to get around going by the fines their handing out to diesel deleters
@@privateer9181
Hoping if Trump is re elected that the EPA are no longer the law. The EPA and other government departments were never intended to set policy as that is the job of congress. The EPA were originally intended to carry out directions per the directions of congress. Not set the directions without any checks and balances over what they do.
Never buy a first year engine!
Good point!
Will this new Cummins also have a cheat device ? Will it be dishonest Cummins ?
Gosh no kidding!
You are so blinded by green idiology and believe what they tell you
If it doesn't have an emissions shut off I would never buy one. Emissions are a BS Scam to fuck you over. Without emissions crap the 6.7 Cummins gets 24 mpg and will run for 750,000 + miles worry free. That is based on my real world tests :)
Ram translation Gay 😂
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