Ram 2500 6.7L CUMMINS Diesel + ZF 8 Speed Transmission *Heavy Mechanic Review* | How Good Is It??
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- I review the 2025 Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel Engine with NEW ZF 8 speed POWERLINE Automatic Transmission. I discuss the history of ZF and Ram and then go over Performance Specs, reliability and strenghtof this new 8 Speed Transmission like input torques, Max towing figures and give my opinion as a heavy duty diesel mechanic.
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I take a deep dive into this upcoming New ZF 8 speed powerline Automative transmission in the new 2025 Ram HD platform. Overall It looks pretty impressive. I think for most people this transmission will be way overbuilt for there needs but it does mean that hopefully these new 8 speed transmission will lead great reliability and longevity.
the first thing that really caught my eye was that this is a commercially built and designed transmission which I really like to see. I think ZF's main focus was on the commmercial vocational truck use and application meaning this
transmission will be built tough and hopefully be extremely strong for the Ram Hd truck platform.
I think this 8 speed is exactly what Ram needed behind their 6.7L cummins. I think this ZF 8 speed is probably going to be a game changer and if they are as good as the ZF transmissions in the ram 1500 trucks it will be the new bench mark for HD truck transmissions going forward.
The one thing I'm not sure about is the HO cummins because technically the this engine is putting out too much power for the 8 speed. the ZF powerline has a max of 1,000 lb-ft of input torque so we'll have to see what happens there is RAM is going to keep the Aisin or if they will bump up the ZF powerline input torque figure.
Let me know what you guys think.
00:00 - Intro
01:49 - ZF History
02:51 - Ram 1500 8 Speed
04:20 - Ram 2500 8 Speed - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
This has been LONG overdue for the Cummins!
long overdue and still behind sadly why cant they get there shit together
@@rock-uu7qrwhy is it behind?
@@wizard_of_poz4413 duramax makes less power and still tows better due to its 10 speed. Dodge needs to get a 10 speed
@@rock-uu7qreh, not really. Those 10 speeds have 3 over drive gears and one extra under drive gear compared too an 8 speed. It’s useless too have 3 overdrives and it’s gonna hunt for gears a lot more and cook your transmission fluid leading too premature failure especially under load.
@@rock-uu7qr The ZF 8-speed is widely considered to be one of the best if not the best mass produced transmissions in the world. I can't speak to this heavy duty version but it's been perfect in my Gladiator. Honestly the best transmission I've owned in a truck and this is my 8th truck. It'll probably die tomorrow ha ha.
The 8 speed ZF has been a workhorse for years. Im glad to see its involvement in the heavier series. Its easily a transmission, maybe even one of all time!
Lol
Of all the transmissions they've put in these trucks, this is definitely one of them.
Looks like way too much transmission for a 3/4 ton , it’s specs align with the Allison 3000 series we run in our class 8 trucks,but with less torque capacity. Probably perfect for the 3500-5500 series Chassis cabs .
I have aisin in mine.no problems for past 260k .been hotshoting and hauling containers since day 1. Lets hope zf hold up just as good.
There are hundreds of thousands 68RFEs that are flawless and have hauled millions of miles..
If you ignore the millions of failures in the 1989 and up previous gens that took them 20 years to fix . Heard of one ,million mile Cummins Dodge truck ,that was on its 9 th transmission .
2025 ram cummins 450 horse and 1100 foot pounds of torque . There will only be one engine 450 horse across the board with one transmission across the board .
Well said!! 👍
Hey hey hey leave the failure transmissions to the 94-up the first gens were decent. Idk about that 727 but my A518 has given me 400K without an issue just fluid and filter changes.
Ram has always been backwards .they give more gears for the gas engines that need to rev for power and less gears for the diesel that is agoveren lower rpm . In 03 diesel 4 speed gas 6 speed the diesel 6 speed gas 8 speed what was ram thinking .
Looking forward to this new transmission, really hope it proves to be a good unit. The 10 speeds have developed some less than stellar reputations, hopefully this kicks them in the rear and helps to get them sorted. Great video, looking forward to the next one.
This is exciting. I bought my ram mainly for the 8hp70.
The 68RFE is not a bad transmission. Are there better ones out there? I have no doubt. Can this be a positive outcome for the RAM HD family? I'm sure it will be. Having said that, I still say the 68RFE is not a bad tranny. Unfortunately, it's gotten a lot of flak over the years. It's my opinion that most of the issues arise from modifications to the vehicle. Whether it be engine tuners, oversized wheels/tires, lifts, etc. I own one that is all original and have never had an issue with it. I've known others who have owned them for years w/o mods as well and they never seem to have any problems either. I'm convinced that people are unknowingly wrecking their own trucks to include transmissions by doing all these mods and then blaming the manufacturer when it goes boom. I see just as many Ford's and Chevy's in the shop for self-induced problems just the same as RAM. The engineers design them for specific things and then people buy them and add a bunch of stuff that was never in the plans of the vehicles original design. Maybe people here will disagree with me on all this, but these are my own observations on the subject.
Can't wait to see that transmission in a 3500 Cummins pickup
I love your content man, the different cuts between all the trucks and how well it flows is really good, love watching your videos
Appreciate it sir. I had fun looking into these 8 speeds.
5.7 HEMI and ZF 8-speed AT is the best powertrain combo available in a half-ton truck. I have been saying this for many years now. Thanks, Alex. You are a smart man. Appreciate your content.
with 392 rear gear is great 2019 Rebel
It's works in every way to the 10r80 5.0 combo but if slower worse mpg and less hauling the pack of trucks it's winning
@@mddunlap03 HUH? I've reread this many times and still can't make any sense of it.
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I completely agree, best 1/2 ton setup out there.
Too bad they took away the manual trans. I had a 2012 3500 with the 6.7 and a 6 spd manual. It needed a new clutch pretty quickly, but what a solid setup once I put a dual disc in it. I didn't know what I had at the time!
I had an 01 5.9 with a 6 speed a long time ago. Selling that was a mistake… now I’m waiting for when my dad wants to sell his 2014 with a 6 speed so I can buy it from him.
@@PolskmofoBringing the manual transmission back will stop everyone's problems with the automatics' shift patterns. The driver gets to choose when to shift.
Incredible film Alex love hearing your words on these big trucks 👏
Appreciate it sir!
Great video! Looking forward to this new 8spd behind the cummins.
I have a Jeep Wrangler EcoDiesel with the ZF. I love the way that transmission runs, it’s like it’s designed to protect itself and work the engine instead. Very conservative with gearing and shifts. It also seems to defuel at shifts. Can’t wait to see the bigger brother of it.
ABOUT. DAMN. TIME!
I might actually be interested in a RAM 2500 for once now
IMHO a diesel 3/4 ton is a useless truck. Why buy an HD truck with the payload capacity of a half ton?
@@jameslittle5214 I agree. Will never buy a 3/4 with a 10000lbs rating
Some very good info here as usual from this channel.
Can’t wait for you to review the 2025 ram charger phev!!!
ZF makes transmissions for Formula 1 cars, LaMans, Grand Prix, the ZR 1 vet, semi trucks, the 91 -92 Pontiac Fire Hawk, ships, planes, helicopters. I’m glad Ram stayed with ZF.
It's a premium product for sure. But it costs more to pay ZF royalties. Then they have to pay Cummins it's share. That's why to compete with Ford, the have to build them in Mexico vs the USA. To keep costs down. I like ram
Forgot pdk from Porsche designed with porsche the best trans out there
Kinda funny, in the marine world they are #2 in a field of two. They still work and are cheaper, but twin disc they are not. Just kinda weird to hear the spoken of in hused and reverent tones.
This is my third Ram pick up truck, One 3.0 liter Turbo diesel (2015) and one 5,7 liter (2020) both with ZF transmission. What a breeze this ZF transmission; reliable, smooth and well calibrated. My new 3500 with the HO Cummins is a totally different story; slow, bumpy and lacking gears. Very often instead of changing gears, they use the turbo pressure to compensate for the lack of gears and it is slow to adjust to my commands. I have the feeling to drive a CVT….. Looking forward to go back to my ZF sweetheart!
I love my 68rfe. I’ve got a custom built and tuned one but it’s a beast. That said I can’t wait for Ram to release this Cummins ZF setup and work out the bugs. I’ll be buying one
Great Video!!
You seem very “Getty” about this! 😜.
It will be interesting what gearing they offer. My 2023 chevy 3500 6.6 gasser has a 3:73. Wish it had a 4:10 option.
The 8 speed in the Cummins might tempt me to switch in 5 years.
Got a new 1/2 Ford F150 WT with the 10spd auto. The company bought it for me so no complaints. I don’t know all the gearing yet but WoW it shifts a lot. I took the toll road yesterday on the way home from work. Set the cruise at 75 mph. Drove around 40 miles on the toll. It spent more times in 8th gear than it did 10th. I’ll see how it does today because I do a lot of stopping and going.
What we need is the manual transmission brought back. People complain about different things relating to the automatic. People say the transmissions shifts too much, or too little, and all sorts of other things. To solve all of these issues, put the manual transmission back in and everyone will be happy.
About time!
Great info. 👍👍
I had fun dipping into these ZF 8 speeds, especially the history!
Thanks so much for this Video I have been waiting for them to update the Ram HD, I am itching to buy one and I have started to look at the Fords and Chevys but with this info I'll hold tight for 2025 and see what happens. Please Ram WOW us so I can come buy my 3500
Looks like a sweet transmission!
I'm excited to see how it turns out.
I had two 8 speeds fail when towing with my 1500. I will stay with the 6 speed. Works great
Woo hoo. Power wagon is back in the video.
This is very exciting.
Bien waiting on Ram to update there transs couldn't justify $75k+ on a ram truck with a 6spd trannny that will help me pull that trigger on a new Ramm just got wait en see know on🤙🏽🤙🏽 great video💯🤙🏽
agreed I could not wrap my head around getting a 6.7 cummins with a lacking 6 speed 68RFE behind it.
It’s about time! Shouldn’t have to pull the unit for any electrical would all be accessible from the pan or valve body drop.
I drive a 2014 power wagon 6.4 very happy with it.
ZF makes some great transmissions. I drove HLVWs in the military that were equipped with ZFs. They were strong and reliable, I never saw one fail. (Unless someone poked a hole in it, of course)
Glad to have bought the HO/Aisin this year. Will wait for “Mickey” to test the ZF for a few years.
you won't have problems with the Aisin in your truck, they are built stoutly and very high quality internals, when your hauling heavy you don't need 10 speeds, you need reliability in extreme conditions, hot or cold, and when the competition is hauling heavy loads they are not in 10th gear , they are in 5th or 6th maybe , thats where its needed, with over 40 yrs in the heavy equipment industry and lots of exposure to Aisin, any issues were usually owner /operator neglect, ZF also has a very coloured history and built shit transmissions in the 80's for a large part of the European car companies and they were garbage and brought ZF close to losing all these manufacturers, these included Volvo and Saab AB, commercial trucks, so yes ZF is good, it is no better than an Aisin transmission 👍
@@99unclebob Absolutely love the Aisin in the 2024 year model. It's engagement and shifts are near perfect. Weather Initial Engagement, Heavy towing or Empty the Aisin senses and engages perfectly to match the conditions at hand. With the bonus of a Sturdy, Proven Build.
Almost 900k on my 2016 3500 aisin srw going for at least a million or 1.2. Can't tune it but don't care don't want to blow it up, the shifting seems lazy sometimes depending on throttle input but it's been like that since day one. Seems like it protects itself. Even after extending the fluid intervals to 100 drain and fill and another 100 K with filter replacement I'm always amazed how clean the pan is
I’ve probably built over 1000 RFE transmissions and have had a 5 speed RFE and an 8 speed ZF in 1500 trucks and will say the ZF is a lot less slushy! This is good news for Stellantis
Hoo ray Alex! Love whatever flavor ZF transmission come in! I have one in my Dodge Challenger behind the 6.4 Hemi, I have one in my Jeep Wrangler behind the 6.4 Hemi, and my Gladiator, even though its behind the pentastar. yeah I get it, that one is not as strong as the ZF 8 HD's but its great also. NOW the big question, do you think they will have a kit to let you put that Big ZF behind the Cummins 5.9? That would be awesome! I have been waiting years, trying to keep that that 48RE shifting smooth in my 05 Dodge Cummins. But I tell you, only four gears, it sure could use the ZF8 HD! Wouldn't that be great! No DEF and a ZF ! Nirvana! Awesome video's Alex, best regards chuck😁
Chuck you have got a small collection of vehicles I see! But hey I agree the 8 speeds so far have been wonderful units for Chrysler/fiat. It would be very cool to put an 8 speed behind a 5.9 but you may need a little elbow grease to make that combo work lol
I think there is one thing to consider. Just like the new 10 speed “Allison” in the Duramax is not exactly the same as the 10 speed Allison behind the 6.6 gas engine, doesn’t mean Ram didn’t send their own specs to ZF…
FCA decided to select a transmission that ZF already builds, for class 5/6/7 trucks.
I think it should be called a Allison like the old real Allison manufactured tranns it's just a Joke🤡🤡 calling it Allison trannny get the 10spn got approved by Allison but it's not and Allison what a joke🤡🤡😪
@@jamesgeorge4874 I have been reading press releases about this transmission and the new facility that this transmission will be built at for the past 4 years. This transmission was designed and built with the Ram HD in mind right from the beginning. Will it slide into other applications? Yeah, but the main focus was the Ram.
It's not an Allison transmission since 2019. Truthfully it's just Allison tested and stamped. The 10 speed in Ford and Chevy are not great transmissions.
@samuelhatch8470 thats way it should be called Allison transmission😵😵 even though it was tested by them... Chevy is weak on that move for that its like Ram making there own engine try say it's a Cummings😵 what a joke my manon Chevy's behave🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️😂🤡🤡😵
I had a zf go out at 200k. Put a new one in and now it is running hot on the interstate
so, @ The Getty Adventures …please explain exactly what about the 68RFE is “holding back” the 6.7 Cummins. I realize the greater number of forward gear ratios the better the chance of finding an optimum ratio for a given load and road conditions. I have. 6.7 Cummins Ram and have towed extensively with it an 18ft HD trailer (est. 2700#) and loads there on up to about 6k additional wt. My routes have included flatlands and mountainous terrain in CO, AR, PA, TN etc. Never had any reason to think my eng/trans combo was deficient. Be interested your ‘reasoning’ to support your opinion. Before this truck, I had an ‘04 5.9 Cummins with a 4 speed Mopar automatic and towed with it extensively for 97xxx miles…no complaints. 0:17
Amazing transmission in the 1500s. We've had 3 Ecos. Really put the power to the ground. Should do well behind the 6.7.
How many miles did you have on those trucks
I don’t want to jump the gun but ZF makes damn good transmissions
Excellent ZF transmissions in the 2019+ 6.4 HD trucks
Great video! I love this Power Wagon 🤗👍
ZF = Zahnradfabrik (Gear Factory) Friedrichshafen (the city where it was founded)
Greetings from Germany! 🇨🇦 🇩🇪
Thank you sir, and hopefully I didn't butcher the pronunciation that bad!
@@TheGettyAdventures Thank you for your great videos, Alex! I learnt already so much about trucks. These are not so common over here; but I guess their popularity is growing.
Pronounciation was excellent, keep it up! 👍
8 speed will definitely work well and as long as Cummins can communicate good with that. New transmission should be definitely a game changer. I always thought a premium engine like a Cummins should have a premium transmission . Might actually finally get me to move over to them since I'm done with GM trucks
That’s awesome
Not ragging on you or anything, but the 10 speed 10L1000 Allison branded trans didn’t get introduced until 2020 when they launched the new body style for gm.
That's really good for Ram. The 68rfe is an ok transmission. People have to adjust their expectations depending on what they're doing. A transmission cooler and an inline filter would be a good idea on the less heavy duty 68rfe.
NICE, the 68RFE is why I ditched Ram and the Cummins after many trucks. I hope this is a game changer for them. Next step should be an update for the Cummins itself which is long over due for any over haul compared to the competition,
I enjoy your truck content but I also enjoy looking at you.
Look what Toyota did with a bmw b58 and zf 8 speed. Killer combo that is very reliable
The 2 thing the 68rfe needed was a proper 5th and 6th clutch packs along with better valve body otherwise for daily driving and light towing it’s perfect for the masses that do not operate on the higher end of hauling and driving these trucks as Miata’s.
Hows the fuel economy with the 6.4 Hemi and the 8 speed?
ZF = Zahnradfabrik Friedrichshafen.
I hope the dial knob transmission mode selector come with it. The big stick on the steering column was needed when the park function was cable operated. Now the mode selector only rotates an encoder disk, which requires no force of great magnitude. Silly to keep it around.
@nielsdybro9759..........I love the "ROTARY DIAL in my 2020 RAM REBEL!
Hopefully it will yield the same result as when Cummins-Chrysler partnership started back in the day !
Could just offer a durable 7 speed manual. No fuss no muss, reliable and simple.
If the price is under $55k😵 (being generous on the price mark🏷)on the Manuel trannny then okay but if it's any were over that no thank new generation new tech got get away from Manuel as fast as possible💯🤙🏽 especially paying over $70k+ on thise Diesel trucks gorgeous by the away on all of thise Diesel truck🤩🤩
myself I would love it, but it would have to be a heavy clutch on there to hold all that torque. the fourth gen rams with the manuals actually cut torque from the cummins behind the clutch couldn't handle the power. But I think Ram knowns a manual is cool but probably would not sell and they would be at a loss developing it.
Nobody would buy it.
@@lauderdalechad people that need these trucks for their intended purpose would. I had a manual 94 that I hauled a case dozer and 416 cat all around the area. 225 k miles with same clutch and transmission. Unit was bulletproof. The auto transmission for work trucks are a solution looking for a problem.
@@VHP7044 consumers have spoken loud and clear, maybe 10ppl out of 10,000 want a manual. Automatics do the job better, more efficient, and can handle way more power. Thousands of hot shot drivers with 300k miles plus on their stock autos are the proof. You, my friend, are a very very small minority that simply lives in the "good ol days" that weren't actually that good
LOL! getting passed by the f150! I would be pissed off also! BTW are those Walmart Boots? Come on man you're killing me smalls! 😂😂
Hopefully they aren't so commercially neutered it takes the fun out of the trucks. One thing I love about the 10R140 is the ability to manually select a gear and it hold no matter the throttle input. I needs to be quicker/responsive and if we're lucky... it can handle a tune. Fingers crossed, even better finally a possible conversion kit?!
I’d love to have this in a srw 3500 mega cab
Well the powerline is rated at 1000 lb/ft for 56k pounds, if the 3500 tops out at 35k maybe they can bump up the input torque spec accordingly? So those 2 ratings go hand and hand wouldn't they?
Ya I was going to say ZF makes stronger transmissions in general. They know what they need to do to get the specs right.
Hope this new transmission is trouble free. Alex is so Canadian with the plaid shirt, lol...
Zed F. Your the first murican who said it like that dealing with the zf trans.
I believe he is Canadian
when do you think we will see the new 2025 HD?
Would the 4500/5500 have it?
Does this mean my 6.7 Cummins box truck might be getting it in a few years? I’d love some more gears
I saw a video that showed the Aisin transmission is only rated for 950 ft lbs of torque, so this transmission will be fine. My ZF in my 1500 are amazing.
Finally 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
wonder if they would offer a manual transmission option in the zf cummins build ? id be all over that . zf sounds convincing in a few years for trade of the 68 price dont scare me , just give us the proper options to building our trucks
How does this compare to the Allison?
Time to go truck shopping. I’m in the market for an HD truck.
Now official best powertrain.
My 68rfe failed at 70k with occasional light towing on stock tune.
This is a good move for RAM. If they do this, refresh the look and update, up the standard pier a bit this should move back in the top spot (IMO)
After running the aisin on my 2016 srw 3500 for almost 900k I'm not sure I would want to make the change on the next truck until I see some others high mileage
About time. Dodge rarely gets to say Good, and Transmission in the same sentence
Dodge ? 🤣🤣🤣 Dodge has had nothing to do with RAM’s for 14 years dude. Saltillo Mexico is Chrysler plant (2500/3500) , so is Sterling Heights (1500) is also a Chrysler plant.
They haven’t been bad in my opinion since the 2nd gen. The 68RFE is fine if you don’t tune the truck then act crazy. Using it as a tow vehicle I have 205,000 so far. I want this 8 speed for sure.
Great video. If it were not for this ZF coming out I was gonna drop my 3500 for an F-350. Reason being is that I just drove from North of Toronto, to Arizona… then up to Vancouver Island, and before I got to the ferry I lost the Trans…. Oh and it was the Aisin.. that damn K1 snap ring, input shaft BS.. I was only towing 12k
So looking forward to the ZF
Aisin letting you down wow - Haven't heard many issues with them but I'll have to look into this issue. Either way, I think this ZF should be a nice change.
@@TheGettyAdventures it’s a prob with the 2022 models. I actually had to find the TSB for the dealer, because they couldn’t figure it out. I fly back out and do the big drive back next month. I just hope the rebuild kit holds.
Isn’t there a recall or TSB for that?
@@smiley3303 yes there is a TSB.
How is it holding the truck back?
How does this stand up to the Aisin 6 speed?
Cummins and ZF I hope is a great match. I’m a ford man but I will happily switch to Cummins if this ZF pans out to be a winner
Have you heard of any plans to update or change the Gas HD engine?
well the rumours are the gas cummins but nothing has been confirmed.
I can see it now. Great fix'er up specials on used Cummins with 48 and 68RE transmissions.
Probably a nightmare
IMO, they need to offer it with a 6-speed manual!
I'm skeptical. The ZF in my 18 charger started slipping before needing its first service and now needs to be replaced.
Minutes 12:13 about getting a code i think it shouldn't be much trouble dropping a transmission out of the truck then separating the cab and chassy like Ford to work on some parts of the engine so pulling down trannns no biggie lol that i straight forward process
Lol fair enough.
That's good news, but the real sticking point is how much extra ZF and Ram want for it. Will ZF be used or will Ram stick with Aisin?
Jimminy Christmas, had to sift through HEMI talk and Hitler to find the 2 minutes that related to 6.7L
Did Ram drop the AISIN tranny in the 5500’s?…they should really develop that transmission and offer it with more than 6 gears
lol i heard this not too long ago about germans tanks A game changer lol will kepp my new2023 HO/AISIN strong trany for pulling heavy loads
Too bad they don't see that they need to update the cab size. I have a 23 ford super duty ho and ram is going to have to do a lot to get me back. I love this truck
what are your thoughts on the aisin? our truck has it and it sucks. it might hold the power great, but the shifting is slushy and vague.
That sums that trans up. That's its normal operation. Shifts like shit but tows and holds power well.
So they upgraded the transmission and fell short to match the other two brands and are still last in line on that part of the truck
Hope these are as good as an Allison
I think it's a good choice to wait for this transmission rather than trying to put something like an 8hp75 on the 6.7L diesel. Better to have less gears, then to have gears that cannot handle their workload.
I wish ram would build a truck as solid as the transmission it’s caring.
I really wonder if the internal parts will truly be the same. Dont like the idea of the wires and all totally being encased in the trans. Maybe a side box would have been better so you don't have to drop the trans every year when you get gremlins.
But wait ... Wasn't the aisin trans supposed to be the end to all means? The Cummins needs a manual behind it.... the end.
I bet the 2025 will have a $125,000 base price.
Damn it. I was still holding out a bit of hope for the Allison….a Cummins/Allison would’ve been the ultimate truck. And before anyone comes after me, yes, I know it was a rumor, but I still had that little bit of hope it was true
The zf are just as good if not better then allisons
This new ZF 8-speed should be a game changer for Dodge
Great news. But I don't understand why RAM would even put a PTO unit under a 2500. The 3500's, maybe. 4500 & 5500's sure. I'd expect a similiar version of the Powerline in the 2500 and 3500.
I am really surprised you barely mentioned the aisin transmission that comes with the HO Cummins. I have a 2018 ram 3500 dually with 90k miles now, pulling a fifth wheel all over the us and canada. You never really said why is 8 speed better than the aisin 6speed. More is not necessarily better. Larry😊
Serios observation here.
I don't understand why we're not manually shifting anymore.
Why has pulling a load become so technical?
My old 7.3 F-350 4X4 dually with a 6 speed manual did a fine job.
I don't pull anymore and my old truck is long gone but is there just absolutely no market for a manual truck?
There is no reason it's about money been trying get a manual older truck they are hard to find.
If you want a real truck just buy a Sport Chassis M2 Freightliner which may...or may not...come with stick shift(dual clutch.) That truly is something you can put millions of miles on but of course need to pay for that biggest problem still being Def Fluid and why I got out of trucking. Automatic transmission in an M2 is even more amazing and helps with keeping both hands on the wheel I think is the point...or why I chose to stick with an automatic Class 8 when I had one as a "temporary" anyways. Always hated Dodge Trucks because of the chassis with an horrific scandal of axles coming off back in the 1990s that never made the news before being sold to I think Mercedes-Benz back in the 1990s who didn't do all that much to fix the problem. Looking at these massive machines though and it would appear that issue has at least been seriously addressed anyways. This transmission combined with a straight 6 Dodge is also coming out with could really shock GM and Ford at how robust these massive machines are compared to their offerings. Everyone is starting to feel the pressure from pure play BEV full size trucks suddenly and yes they have zero transmission and yes they have instant torque to go with that. Plus the Cybertruck for as long as it stays in production is an actual Tank so trust me if you just happen upon one it will amaze just to try and put a dent into...plus is all stainless steel. #crazy having said that pure play ICE Platform remains super competitive with also Toyota and Nissan having full size though no heavy duty...all with automatic transmissions very true. Wouldn't be surprised to see a return to a manual if pricing pressures start to get really intense tho as is already true in the F150, 1500 for GM and Dodge, Tundra, Titan even Honda is making an 8 cylinder outboard motor for boats. I think the point of these transmissions is to produce massive amounts of low end torque in the meantime and also relatively okay fuel economy. One huge advantage of high displacement engines over where the industry except Ford and GM have gone is that heavy displacement actually produces far less emissions as it operates at much low rpms. If that's enough to get rid of the crazy engine killing Def monster might be worth ... half of what is currently asked anyways..